| [ Wybren™ ] 14.09.2004 12:09 |
Roger says on Queenonline.com: “On the subject of downloads, Queen will be a launching our own unique download project very shortly on link. Full details are still under-wraps at the moment, but look out for some really exciting ‘live’ wire news very soon.” What's this about? THANX! |
| Fenderek 14.09.2004 12:22 |
Before I see it- I won't believe... |
| TeoT 14.09.2004 12:26 |
I read somewhere that Queen plant to release the best 100 concerts online. If its correct it will be a nice suprise!!! :))) |
| Fenderek 14.09.2004 12:31 |
KillerChris wrote: I read somewhere that Queen plant to release the best 100 Bootlegs of their concerts online.At some point I've heard about some boxed set or sth... Oh, well... |
| TeoT 14.09.2004 12:53 |
I read it stands in the last fanclub magazine. Maybe!!! |
| willem-jan 8923 14.09.2004 13:03 |
So that's what kept Roger busy the last couple of years. Well, if it's true, I would be very pleased. Even if we have to pay for it :) |
| Whisperer 14.09.2004 13:29 |
KillerChris wrote: I read somewhere that Queen plant to release the best 100 concerts online. If its correct it will be a nice suprise!!! :)))Really!?!? Well, then I can throw my downloaded flac shows directly to the trash can :-( |
| [ Wybren™ ] 14.09.2004 13:31 |
Lord Fenderrus (a.k.a. Fenderek) wrote:Yeah I heard about the box sets but they won't come before 2010. QP were talking about 3 box sets with demos etc. and after that one live box. KillerChris can you give us your source? I hope so, but I don't think so since QP are releasing a new live DVD soon. It will be quite expensive downloading 100 live shows (with 25 songs per concert): 2500 pounds... :( Still it would be great.KillerChris wrote: I read somewhere that Queen plant to release the best 100 Bootlegs of their concerts online.At some point I've heard about some boxed set or sth... Oh, well... |
| Penetration_Guru 14.09.2004 13:40 |
I TOLD YOU SO |
| [ Wybren™ ] 14.09.2004 13:40 |
EVANGP wrote: You guys are stupid, queen isnt going to release shit. nothing is coming out.Why are we stupid? Because we believe what Roger says? Queen is going to release the Milton Keynes show, that won't be shit! |
| Ron 14.09.2004 13:57 |
it will be a top 100 of the current Queen bootlegs. Dont know if they will make the actual bootlegs available for download or sound board copies. Probably the bootleg copies itself because the downloads incl the original art work. Ofcourse you have to pay for this, and only a fraction of the actual market value.. wow :) |
| [ Wybren™ ] 14.09.2004 16:43 |
EVANGP wrote: it will be a top 100 of the current Queen bootlegs. Dont know if they will make the actual bootlegs available for download or sound board copies. Probably the bootleg copies itself because the downloads incl the original art work. Ofcourse you have to pay for this, and only a fraction of the actual market value.. wow :) shut the hell up you idiot, everything you just said is a total lie.Can't you be polite? And to RonB: How do you know? All bootlegs in soundboard quality? |
| Libor2 14.09.2004 17:35 |
100 Queen’s bootlegs on their official site ? It’s impossible. It wouldn’t happen. Never ever. |
| Penetration_Guru 14.09.2004 17:42 |
How can "probably" be a lie? |
| Lady Hendrix 14.09.2004 17:48 |
KillerChris wrote: I read somewhere that Queen plant to release the best 100 concerts online. If its correct it will be a nice suprise!!! :)))Really nice! I can't believe it! It can't be true!! |
| Penis - Vagina 14.09.2004 18:03 |
EVANGP wrote: shut the hell up you idiot, everything you just said is a total lie.Can't you show a bit more maturity than that? I realize it's annoying when someone acts like they have superior knowledge about something, but there are more effective ways of challenging besides personal attacks. As for this news, it's doubly disappointing for me. Greg mentioned something about a project like this months ago which I kept my mouth shut about, but I was under the impression that it was going to be rare tracks of all sorts, not just live stuff. I didn't like the idea at first because I was afraid they'd choose to do this instead of releasing proper CD quality versions. I guess if it's just live stuff I don't care. Maybe they can save the studio stuff for proper release in the box sets. |
| Penetration_Guru 14.09.2004 18:43 |
I'd be fairly confident that Ron DOES know more about it than our mutual subject of discussion, and am battling to avoid making further comparison with the particularly intellectual slug in my garden.... Addendum - having reviewed Mr GP's entire posting history (30 requests/demands, 7 insults, 2 polite offers and 1 polite expression of gratitude), I conclude as follows.. 1. Nobody ever taught the poor wretch how to punctuate. 2. He has a mental age of around 12. 3. No need to return to the hub anytime soon. 4. No need to start looking at torrents. Is he American, by any chance? |
| danielbuzz69 14.09.2004 19:14 |
It IS for Queen releasing the Bootlegs for Download. RonB is correct |
| Whisperer 14.09.2004 19:59 |
Why the hell are they releasing bootlegs when they have sound board recordings of almost every show? |
| Saint Jiub 14.09.2004 22:07 |
Will E-Bay and PayPal go out of business because of this??? I remain cynical, but if this happens I'll stop whining about the musical for at least five minutes ... maybe more |
| Richard Orchard 14.09.2004 22:41 |
i wonder if this is going to be a not-for-profit type of operation, just to shaft the bootleggers? Will it affect our "sharing the music" project, torrents, etc? |
| joeyjojo 14.09.2004 23:03 |
I don't see any reason for this other than to put bootleggers out of business. Which, I suppose, isn't a bad thing. Personally, I have yet to download a live queen bootleg that is really of the quality to warrant a second listen. This is speaking purely in terms of fidelity (not content). As such, I find it odd that they're release such sub-par sounding material. Now, if they're talking sound-board stuff...hmm...;o) |
| Mr. Scully 15.09.2004 02:17 |
"Why the hell are they releasing bootlegs when they have sound board recordings of almost every show?" This is a very important question. Because even an "unremastered" soundboard recording sounds better than 90% of Queen bootlegs. Why should Queen suddenly release an inferior product then? When they can (with the same amount of effort) release a soudboard recording? I can't believe that they're not willing to release Houston 77 on video (because it's not perfect quality) but they will (maybe) "release" for example Supporting Mott The Hoople (Oxford 1973) which is in terms of quality pretty much below average. |
| John S Stuart 15.09.2004 03:08 |
'tis indeed strange, considering that Roger has slated official live product (like "Live Killers" for example) in the past. However, he was also "forced" to release his solo albums ("Fun In Space/Strange Frontier") because the bootleggers had heavilly targeted those also. I guess we will just have to wait and see. |
| YourValentine 15.09.2004 03:40 |
"However, he was also "forced" to release his solo albums ("Fun In Space/Strange Frontier") because the bootleggers had heavilly targeted those also." So, that was the excuse for Fun In Space:) When it comes to the anthology, however, we are being told that "bootlegging" is the main reason they are not yet released. I can't believe they release (sell!!) the same bootlegs we can get for free on the internet, that would not make any sense. |
| Richard Orchard 15.09.2004 03:57 |
YourValentine wrote: I can't believe they release (sell!!) the same bootlegs we can get for free on the internet, that would not make any sense.unless they decide to clamp down on bootleg sharing...? |
| [ Wybren™ ] 15.09.2004 04:18 |
Mr. Scully wrote: "Why the hell are they releasing bootlegs when they have sound board recordings of almost every show?" This is a very important question. Because even an "unremastered" soundboard recording sounds better than 90% of Queen bootlegs. Why should Queen suddenly release an inferior product then? When they can (with the same amount of effort) release a soudboard recording? I can't believe that they're not willing to release Houston 77 on video (because it's not perfect quality) but they will (maybe) "release" for example Supporting Mott The Hoople (Oxford 1973) which is in terms of quality pretty much below average.I totally agree with you: Why release audience recordings when QP have sounboard ones? Another question: Did anyone of you download songs from the QOL download shop? What format are the songs? (For MP3 files: which bitrate?) |
| YourValentine 15.09.2004 05:03 |
"unless they decide to clamp down on bootleg sharing...?" But is selling bootlegs themselves a way to do that? Martin is completely right: why should we buy an inferior product when soundboard recordings are not released because they are regarded sub standard? When I want a bootleg I can get it from another fan, I don't need to buy it from Trancer or ebay. Or download it from QOL for money. Who is supposed to profit from selling bootlegs? Sure not the fans... Maybe I am just too stupid to understand the idea behind that project. |
| Penis - Vagina 15.09.2004 05:30 |
[ Wybren™ ] wrote: Another question: Did anyone of you download songs from the QOL download shop? What format are the songs? (For MP3 files: which bitrate?)They were 192 kbps licensed Windows Media files when last I checked. So even though you buy them and should then own them for personal use, they still exercise some control over it. Far as I know, it allows for burning though, so you could of course burn it and then extract it to whatever format you want. But that's not good enough quality by many peoples' standards. |
| danielbuzz69 15.09.2004 06:23 |
They are releasing downloads of the Bootlegs because they basically want to shaft the Bootlegers who constantly make money out of the Queen franchise as hinted by Richard. Inferior or not it is bound to have an effect on the smaller Bootlegging outfits |
| akan 15.09.2004 06:54 |
i don't think they're gonna realise the 100 best queen concert to download because it would take a lot of time to edit the recordings and i don't think they'd do it for free downloads.for sure the 'new' recordingds would sound better than the current bootlegs but i don't think that they put them online without working on them and for free |
| Fenderek 15.09.2004 08:30 |
it wouldn't be innovative... Dream Theater released so called "ORIGINAL BOOTLEGS"- you pay $10 or sth and you get live recording, with nice P/S and everything... I wouldn't mind this happening... It would be interesting, though, if they really DID relese soundboards, unedited, not mixed- just recordings... Tackling bootlegers- fine, great... BUT: imagine also all those "established" traders, "elite", who're "showing off" with XXX show from 1st generation tape (or soundboard) and do everything for it not to spread... Queen releasing it in soundboard (or even exactly THIS bootleg) of this aprticular XXX show would surely piss some ppl off... |
| Mr. Scully 15.09.2004 08:47 |
Fenderek, this is slightly incorrect. People are keeping rare recordings to be able to trade them for other rare recordings. If all live recordings are released by Queen in some form, there's nothing rare left and everybody gets whatever he wants. That would be a paradise for everybody, no matter if he's a newbie or an experienced trader. |
| willem-jan 8923 15.09.2004 08:51 |
Maybe they do it in a similart way to the Pearl Jam shows a couple of years ago? Just soundboard recordings, nothing more, nothing less. Unfortunately Pearl Jam charged some 20 euro's for a double CD. So that would come down to lets say 2000 euro's. Maybe if you buy 25, you get one for free. Allthough....it still is Queen Productions..... So, start saving allready |
| Fenderek 15.09.2004 09:00 |
Mr. Scully wrote: Fenderek, this is slightly incorrect. People are keeping rare recordings to be able to trade them for other rare recordings.I know that- that's obvious, but... Mr. Scully wrote: If all live recordings are released by Queen in some form, there's nothing rare left and everybody gets whatever he wants. That would be a paradise for everybody, no matter if he's a newbie or an experienced trader....but what wrong would it be with this situation...? I do understand that no-one is going to trade full Houston'77 video for audio of Hammersmith'75- fine, no probs :) BUT- it does seem that SOME recordings are absolutely unobtainable, that maybe other fans would also love to see full Houston... Some ppl were lucky to obtain certain shows and... It's no tabout having them all- I can live without ever hearing som etotally obscure recording that is high on the established collectors list- I really can live with that... But when it gets to sth like Houston... I don;t know- just seems like that certain recordings or even information (sic!!!!) is strictly guarded, which I'm actually against... And it wouldn't be totally paradise for everyone anyway, 'cause those things wouldn't be for free, would they? It would be perfectly soimple than- when someone is downloading it fromn som eother source- that's theft, you can get it officially... There are drawbacks- I can see it, but this would make a lot good as well.... |
| YourValentine 15.09.2004 09:10 |
I don't understand why bootleggers have such a bad name here. Bootleggers record live shows and without their effort we would not have anything to share or trade. They should not be mixed up with sellers of bootlegs who never recorded something themselves but only make a profit from selling the recordings. Of course, bootlegging is illegal but I don't hear any outcries about the sharing of bootlegs in the hub and on the QZ BitTorrent project here. We all want as much material of our favourite band as possible, so there is no reason to regard bootlegging itself as something despicable. That's the position of the record industry. Now the evil elite traders. Traders are collectors who do not (routinely) share their material for free. Some share some recordings on sharingthegroove, the hub or elsewhere. In the hub, for example, nobody has a problem with traders, they are members as anyone else. When a trader does not share a recording for free or does not swap it for a very common recording, this can be annoying for the fan who wants the recording very badly but no fan has a right to get everything he wants from another fan. Personally, I endorse sharing but I don't blame people who prefer not to share but want something in return. I would not ask my real life friends to give me whatever I like from their personal possession, either. |
| akan 15.09.2004 09:28 |
to the queen collectors:what do you think about the value of your silver rare live stuff if queen realise their live concerts officially?i think that you (like me) have spent a lot of time and money to search for and buy bootlegs and rare live stuff so if queen realise their live shows officially your collection value will be totally lost.i think that collectionism is a game that will lose its fun when queen realise their live shows because there will be a little rare stuff that will be unavalible to all the fans about and because a lot of people will rip-off their collection that will lost its value for sure. I'm very unhappy when i think to my collection after the legal downloading of the concerts because i worked hard to find all its items(silver bootelgs and cds and internet stuff) and now a lot of non-fans people can buy the same stuff that i have and bring down my collection |
| [ Wybren™ ] 15.09.2004 09:39 |
IMO this is great, because the concerts will be available for everyone. Every Queen fan should have acces to the shows, not a small group. I hope downloadable files will be either in MP3 360kB/s or FLAC. Does anybody btw know which shows are on the '100 greatest bootleg' list? Hammersmith 75,79, Earls Court 77, Rainbow 74, Houston 77, Tokyo 82,85, Zoom? I don't think Budapest 86 since Brian said it will be a DVD release. |
| akan 15.09.2004 09:46 |
i think that the small group who has rare stuff are fans that don't want that their collection lost its value because a lot of people that like queen but ther AREN'T fans can buy the same stuff. sincerely i'm agree with the small group of poeple that are against the official download or realise of the queen concerts |
| Mr. Scully 15.09.2004 10:46 |
"Every Queen fan should have acces to the shows, not a small group" Everybody already HAS access to everything. The only "problem" is that some items require more effort which for some people is "too much work". I can't think of any item that would be 100% impossible to get. There are a few items that have restrictions placed on them (unfortunately) - as a result of that I can't trade two or three audio recordings and maybe one or two videos. There are some items that I'm unable to get because I can't offer anything rare in exchange. So what... it's less than 1% of what's widely available. It's not a matter of life or death. |
| YourValentine 15.09.2004 11:40 |
Andrew, I don't understand your point of view. In which way is your collection worth any less when other fans own the same recordings? You don't collect original paintings or rare coin, you collect recordings which are easily copied by the thousands. There is nothing unique in your collection unless you are the only one who recorded a specific concert and never copied your recording. Anything else is not unique or original. If all concerts were downloadable from QOL, this would be a great opportunity. It's only the quality/price issue that is still very unclear. |
| Fenderek 15.09.2004 11:59 |
andrew wrote: i think that the small group who has rare stuff are fans that don't want that their collection lost its value because a lot of people that like queen but ther AREN'T fans can buy the same stuff.Right- I was collecting vinyls for five years; going with your logic- I'm not fan, I just like Queen... Just because I don't have boots, right? Man- I paid massive amount of money for 7", 12" and some promos- reall ya lot; I would love to have acces to boots as well- be able to obtain them, why not buy them; why the hell not? If they'll release the stuff I'll be happiest man on earth- and what value are you talking about? are you selling them or sth? You can talk about value when you collect vinyls or stamps or anything, but with boots...? I'm trying to get some bootlegs to be a ble to listen to this music- that's the fucking value of it... andrew wrote: sincerely i'm agree with the small group of poeple that are against the official download or realise of the queen concertsSo torrent project has to be sth you're really against, isn't it? You see, Martin- this guy's comment is exactly the reason why I would love to see some faces if those gigs are actually really released... . |
| John S Stuart 15.09.2004 12:16 |
Just a thought - but exactly HOW will Queen make a lot of money from this? Once a concert has been digitally copied once - it can also be re-copied. Therefore, I need only purchase one or two concerts, then, start trading for copies of those concerts I don't! Pretty soon, everyone will be back at square one, freely sharing new versions of previously available concerts. t'is strange, t'is strange! |
| Maz 15.09.2004 12:56 |
Yes, John, but wouldn't that same argument apply to normal Queen CDs? Handling distribution through the website will cut out some costs. The fact is people will buy it because it is from Queen and not some bootlegger. GH3 proved that mentality. Only problem I see is that some collectors will have little incentive to buy these recordings if they are in inferior quality or mp3/wma. |
| Daz85 15.09.2004 13:37 |
Check out link They are offering all the shows on the recent tour in both mp3 and flac quality, mixed and mastered straight from the soundboards and are ready for download within 2 or 3 days. All Queen need to do is go back to the original soundboard recordings they have for each show, and replace the audience recording bootlegs that exist in that form. |
| The Real Wizard 15.09.2004 14:11 |
Darren Robins wrote: All Queen need to do is go back to the original soundboard recordings they have for each show, and replace the audience recording bootlegs that exist in that form.Or better than that, release soundboard recordings of unbootlegged shows. That would keep casual fans and long-time collectors happy. |
| akan 15.09.2004 14:47 |
Right- I was collecting vinyls for five years; going with your logic- I'm not fan, I just like Queen... Just because I don't have boots, right? Man- I paid massive amount of money for 7", 12" and some promos- reall ya lot; I would love to have acces to boots as well- be able to obtain them, why not buy them; why the hell not? If they'll release the stuff I'll be happiest man on earth- and what value are you talking about? are you selling them or sth? You can talk about value when you collect vinyls or stamps or anything, but with boots...? I'm trying to get some bootlegs to be a ble to listen to this music- that's the fucking value of it...there are a lot of people that collect original bootlegs instead of vinyls and stamps (for example zoom, the osaka '76 bootleg) and these bootleg are rare stuff that have much value, what would an owner of zoom lp think when his recording is downloadable on internet for a very few money compared to the price that he had to pay to buy the lp?oviously i tell that only if the queenonline downloads and the box set will be considered official realises like the albums So torrent project has to be sth you're really against, isn't it? You see, Martin- this guy's comment is exactly the reason why I would love to see some faces if those gigs are actually really released... .torrent project is great but i'm against the official download by queenonline if they'll consider their stuff as an 'official' realise.i'm happy to see a projcet like the bittorrent because it doesn't bring down the value of the original bootlegs that some collectors have.i talk about the economin value of a collection not about the musical value that it has for people that download the concerts.for example i don't collect vinyls because i think that the only different thing between them is the sleeve while i prefer to collect bootlegs because they are always different |
| Penetration_Guru 15.09.2004 18:47 |
Just because the plan is phrased as "releasing the bootlegs" doesn't mean that they're going to buy up dodgy old half recorded shows like Cologne 79 and just "release" what's already out there. As Darren said, wouldn't it be more likely that the intention will be to release the QP soundboard equivalent of the top 100 bootlegged shows? And as a long-time collector of live material, official releases don't worry me at all - I don't collect for exclusivity or some sort of trading high ground (in fact, I think that, as Mr Scully said, most concerts are freely available anyway - it's the obscure studio recordings that are the gold dust only available to a handful). I'd be more than happy to get decent sounding, complete Queen concerts to replace my variable sounding, sometimes incomplete copies. Cos they were quite good live and I'd rather listen to Freddie sing these songs than a bunch of actors, chancers and wannabes.... |
| joeyjojo 15.09.2004 21:31 |
Andrew...collecting digital recordings of bootlegs is perhaps the lousiest investment you could make. Collect for the joy, but if you're trying to generate value in burned CDs, there just really isn't any there. |
| Mr. Scully 16.09.2004 02:25 |
Andrew, I don't get your point - original bootlegs have the same value the whole time, that doesn't change (or they get more expensive every year). How much did the rare Zoom LP cost 20 years ago when there were no CD-R's? How much did it cost 10 years ago when it appeared on CD-R for the first time? How much does it cost now when you have Kazaa's and torrents? How much will it cost in 5 years when maybe every single bootleg will be available for download? People who collect original bootlegs usually don't care about the concert itself (or they're stupid if they buy expensive CD's to hear just the recording), they care about the bootleg release, "limited edition", artwork etc. They won't stop collecting or buying just because it's available on the Internet. |
| akan 16.09.2004 03:30 |
ok, it's right is for the internet stuff, but if they'll realise those concerts officially in a box set the bootlegs that we have will become like the one called 'who wants to live forever' and like all the bootlegs that are recordings of official realises. |
| [ Wybren™ ] 16.09.2004 04:07 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Just because the plan is phrased as "releasing the bootlegs" doesn't mean that they're going to buy up dodgy old half recorded shows like Cologne 79 and just "release" what's already out there. As Darren said, wouldn't it be more likely that the intention will be to release the QP soundboard equivalent of the top 100 bootlegged shows? And as a long-time collector of live material, official releases don't worry me at all - I don't collect for exclusivity or some sort of trading high ground (in fact, I think that, as Mr Scully said, most concerts are freely available anyway - it's the obscure studio recordings that are the gold dust only available to a handful). I'd be more than happy to get decent sounding, complete Queen concerts to replace my variable sounding, sometimes incomplete copies. Cos they were quite good live and I'd rather listen to Freddie sing these songs than a bunch of actors, chancers and wannabes....I agree with you. Collection is about getting rare stuff and the joy of getting new recordings etc. I bet some of you got rare Queen single releases, while the songs were already available on the CDs. I think it's the same with bootlegs. Some of you got informed about this release earlier. Do you have anymore details about this unique thing? |
| YourValentine 16.09.2004 04:52 |
Wybren, the issue was discussed here before link |
| [ Wybren™ ] 16.09.2004 06:06 |
Thanx yv! But does anyone have a list of the top 100 bootlegs? |
| onevsion 16.09.2004 06:33 |
<font color ="red">ThomasQuinn wrote:Thanks for your excellent reaction! I wanted to say the same! I love Ron B's websites and i've traded with him a few times.. It's an excellent person that should get more respect than MTS gave him.EVANGP wrote: shut the hell up you idiot, everything you just said is a total lie.Listen to me CAREFULLY, you braindead fuck! RonB is a very respected member of the Queen-community, and he will not be spoken to that way by a newbie who doesn't know shit, is that clear? |
| michaelkars 16.09.2004 15:08 |
There are more bands ( like Metallica and Primus), who are releasing live shows for downloading (soundboard). You can choose between MP3 and FLAC. You can also download a front and back cover. Take a look at : link |
| [ Wybren™ ] 17.09.2004 11:32 |
michaelkars wrote: There are more bands ( like Metallica and Primus), who are releasing live shows for downloading (soundboard). You can choose between MP3 and FLAC. You can also download a front and back cover. Take a look at : linkVery cool. I hope Queen will do the same thing. Both in MP3 and FLAC (or Flac only). I hope Queen will use some artwork of bootlegs. $12,50 is a goot price per concert. |