| Queenrocks4579 02.09.2004 03:43 |
I was wondering if freddie ever wrote a song for or about mary austin. Or does anyone think there might be a song that could be about her. I only ask because usually people write love songs when they're in love and maybe he wrote a song about her in the 70's. Well what do you guys think? |
| Sebastian 02.09.2004 04:11 |
I doubt so. why would he write to her "you've hurt me, you've broken my heart and now you leave me" if she hadn't left him and (as far as I know) she hadn't broken his heart or hurt him. That's more the kind of song she would write for him imo |
| syncursor 02.09.2004 04:12 |
I'm not sure if the lyrics are Freddie's or Brian's or both but I always thought Mother Love, at least the first verse, was about Mary. |
| Queenrocks4579 02.09.2004 04:18 |
I always thought mary was the one who broke his heart i mean if he had really been the one to leave her he probably wouldnt have lived with her afterwards. I mean if he still loved her he would want to be close to her. |
| Queenrocks4579 02.09.2004 04:23 |
Oh and Freddie wrote love of my life! I thought maybe take jealousy or you take my breath away! |
| Ian R 02.09.2004 05:32 |
'Lily Of The Valley', according to Brian in an article in MOJO magazine. |
| Queenrocks4579 02.09.2004 05:38 |
I am forever searching high and low But why does everyone tell me no Neptune of the seas an answer for me please The lily of the valley doesn't know I lie in wait with open eyes I carry on through stormy skies I follow every course my kingdom for a horse But each time I grow old Serpent of the Nile relieve me for a while And cast me from your spell and let me go Messenger from seven seas has flown To tell the king of Rhye he's lost his throne Wars will never cease Is there time enough for peace? The lily of the valley doesn't know Doesnt sound like it would be to her |
| Azertyuiop 02.09.2004 05:44 |
Probably Don't Try Suicide or Fat Bottomed Girls or Tie Your Mother Down |
| AG 02.09.2004 06:06 |
I believe You take my breath away maybe was written to a jealous Mary: "Don't leave me here all by myself" "Look into my eyes and you'll see I'm the only one" |
| Brianmay1975 02.09.2004 06:27 |
Azertyuiop wrote: Probably Don't Try Suicide or Fat Bottomed Girls or Tie Your Mother DownOops! Fat-Bottomed Girls and Tie Your Mother Down are written by Brian... |
| Krizzy 02.09.2004 09:40 |
AG sorry to disagree, but according to a very close friend of mine who knew FM personally and the person "You Take MY Breathe Away" was written for, David Minns, FM's lover at the time. According to my source, David Minns was absolutely "devasted" when he heard the song, it is a beautiful love song one of FM's finest IMHO. Kriz ;o) |
| AG 02.09.2004 10:11 |
Krizzy wrote: AG sorry to disagree, but according to a very close friend of mine who knew FM personally and the person "You Take MY Breathe Away" was written for, David Minns, FM's lover at the time. According to my source, David Minns was absolutely "devasted" when he heard the song, it is a beautiful love song one of FM's finest IMHO. Kriz ;o)Very interesting! Thanks Kriz! |
| Azertyuiop 02.09.2004 10:34 |
Brianmay1975 wrote:I think you haven't understand the joke.Azertyuiop wrote: Probably Don't Try Suicide or Fat Bottomed Girls or Tie Your Mother DownOops! Fat-Bottomed Girls and Tie Your Mother Down are written by Brian... :) Seb |
| MexQueenFM 02.09.2004 16:12 |
Krizzy wrote: AG sorry to disagree, but according to a very close friend of mine who knew FM personally and the person "You Take MY Breathe Away" was written for, David Minns, FM's lover at the time. According to my source, David Minns was absolutely "devasted" when he heard the song, it is a beautiful love song one of FM's finest IMHO. Kriz ;o)true indeed, great song, and Freddie must have really care for the guy |
| Whisperer 02.09.2004 16:56 |
Did you really have to mention that the song was writen for a guy? |
| Janet 02.09.2004 17:00 |
Why should it matter? |
| MexQueenFM 02.09.2004 17:52 |
Whisperer wrote: Did you really have to mention that the song was writen for a guy?it's the truth, he wrote it for a dude and what does it matter? it easily applies for a female too, that's what I love about Freddie's writing, not like George Michael, his songs are for dudes only :P |
| Krizzy 02.09.2004 18:38 |
Thanks, Mex! :o* BTW, a love song is a love song. Whether it was written man to man, man to woman, woman to woman or anywhere in between. Love is universal and so are deep feelings. Kriz ;o) |
| Saint Jiub 02.09.2004 18:41 |
I love my Daisy the sheep, and Mr. Gere love his gerbils. Oh - you weren't talking about inter-species love? |
| Zander05 02.09.2004 18:59 |
I don't think Freddie ever did actually write something specifically for Mary. Maybe he did refer to her in some songs ('when I grow older I will be there at your side to remind you how I still love you'). Maybe she wasn't important enough for a song to herself ;-) The only person who could ever know the answer is Freddie himself. |
| MexQueenFM 02.09.2004 19:05 |
How about I was born to love you? |
| basje 02.09.2004 19:19 |
he did.In 1983.It was supposed to be on "The Works" album...but the song never made it to a Queen album because the other bandmembers thought it was far too personal and privat to be on a Queen album. They said he'd better save it for a solo thing, but regretfully it never was used on either "Barcelona" or "Mr. Bad Guy", but the melody of the song is very beautiful and really gets to you... Truly one of the finest recordings i have ever heared him on... It should have been in the ultimate collection box-set, like the Michael Jackson songs and the final live performance he did with Sir Cliff Richard and the Elton John's birthday show appearance he made in the late 70's or early 80's but then again, we- the fans- are not likely to ever see that released i fear...pitty though... Well, i guess that the wishful thinking will have to go on for a couple more decades...with he moneymachine running overtime again because of the musical going global(soft) we may aswell forget about "a sort of half-Queen" ever going on tour again or producing new albums with new material...all that happens is yet the same thing in constantly changing casts and sung in the most crazy languages to hear Queensongs being sung in.....money rules? Times have changed, the world has changed, and the way people are thinking has changed...and so has "Queen"...they're not sitting back, but definately going with the flow...(wich they -by the way-did create themselves....with a little help of a friend)...and who can blame'm for that? Guess i would do the same...dunno really... But it is about time, to finally get this/these so often promised anthology box-set(s) out.... More than a teasing Mr. Brooks is all we've had in years, making us listen to all these hidden gems and diamonds...but what did WE get till now from all that? a few crap-quality bootlegs...but not the so long awaited studio-quality-digitally-remastered superstuff.......they may truly be ashamed of that: not having released it yet! No, the WWRY musical-money-machinery comes first...we have to be pleased with unknowns singing old songs we know in better renditions for decades now....they put themselves and making money first, and we -the fans- are left begging for new material that we won't get..... They should have put a few unknown songs in that WWRY-machine...then it would be really worthwile buying all these different language versions....and they should have put the originals with Freddies voice as extras on the discs!!! Wishful thiking.....again.....they chose to do it the easiest way possible....the cheapest way imaginable....still beautiful -don't get me wrong here now,i like the musical very much- but liking the musical, doesn't even come close to the experience of loving Queen (live)..... cheerzzz fellow fanzzz Bazzzje |
| Jimmy Dean 02.09.2004 21:35 |
<<<<<<Whisperer wrote: Did you really have to mention that the song was writen for a guy?>>>> The irony: A football stadium of 50 000 homophobic football fans will still, today, chant "We Are The Champions" with dignified pride. The reason: We Are The Champions is a song about gay pride. |
| indigo bunting 02.09.2004 21:53 |
I think he spoke about Mary in the song The Golden Boy on the Barcelona album. gg |
| Lester Burnham 02.09.2004 22:50 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: The reason: We Are The Champions is a song about gay pride.No it's not. |
| Queenrocks4579 02.09.2004 23:10 |
Ive heard the rumor about the song we are the champions. I really dont think it is though. And i am the least homophobic person and it would be great if it was. Freddie was just clever and he probably knew it would be a commercial success. I mean i even read in an interview that he made it as an anthem song for just anyone but who knows what truth from lies is in the interviews. I guess we'll never know unless someone has the balls to bother him in heaven. |
| Maz 03.09.2004 00:05 |
I shudder to think of Whisperer's reaction when he finds out that the band had to tone down Freddie's original lyrics to Body Language as they were too homoerotic. Body Language, too, was written for a man, or perhaps, men. |
| basje 03.09.2004 03:44 |
the whole Hot Space album was written in a time when Freddie had discovered the New York gay-scene and the clubs...a song like Staying Power (read: i can keep a hard-on without viagra) was written for the guys too...: "see what i've got, i've got a hell of a lot....tell me what you feel...is it real ...is it real...you now i got what it takes and i can take a lot, don't you hear the last call baby you and i got staying power.... and then after that maybe Life Is real was for Mary? guilt-stains on my pillow.....put our relation under pressure....wannabee a dancer... never mind the back chat.... Freddies bi-sexuality drips through calling all girls ( as Queen named it...Freddie wanted it to be calling all boys, but that was too obvious and not very Queen ) and as you search through the entire catalogue there are so many things that we could turn in to things most likely never intended to be seen in those perspectives....afterwards... |
| YourValentine 03.09.2004 03:51 |
Mary was mentioned in Good Company: "Now Mary's in an institution..." |
| Jimmy Dean 03.09.2004 07:46 |
Lester Burnham wrote:Are you just in denial? (No offense of course)Jimmy Dean wrote: The reason: We Are The Champions is a song about gay pride.No it's not. I've paid my dues Time after time I've done my sentence But committed no crime <--- the key line And bad mistakes I've made a few I've had my share of sand Kicked in my face But I've come through And we mean to go on and on and on and on Gay people, to Fred, are the champions since they were able to surface and come out of their own personal exile. Wasn't it during the tour in 78 that he started wearing the leather get-up? We Are The Champions is almost as clever as Bohemian Rhapsody in terms of context. |
| Krizzy 03.09.2004 08:58 |
***Shrugs*** Im sorry Basje where are you getting this information from? ????? Sorry but I think whomever is telling you this "news" is full of ***RHYMES WITH KIT***! FM wrote songs very fast at times, sometimes literally off the top of his head and sometimes it took him a while, especially lyrics, (drugs played a part in it Im afraid to say). Rarely and I was told very rarely he wrote songs with a specific person in mind. BTW I have to agree that Champions is to some extent a "gay" anthem, FM liked to "speak his mind" he didnt give a "toss" about what others thought, Champions (as I was told and lead to believe by a few FMs close friends) was written as a smack in the face at those that "made fun of" FM in his early years, those that thought he was too effeminate or a real "prat" as one aricle written at the time stated. It was also written with the NME in mind, one person told me as a way at "getting back at those who thought Queen were a "joke", (much like what is happening nowadays to a band called The Darkness BTW)! So FM wrote that song to show his "enemies" that he will not be put down, he wasn't going to let anyone or thing stop him. During this period and in the video of the song FM began wearing the unitards or (ballet dancer otufits), now if that dont tell you something! LOL! Also he began to wear ballet slippers on stage as well even into 1978, with the leather gear. He also during the show would jump on a bodyguards shoulders (the man usually wore a superman outfit) FM liked to shock he got off on it personally and professionally. In gay clubs he would often dance shirtless and sometimes strip completely (onetime witnessed I was told by someone), so he was out there! And proud even though it (at the time) was annoying to his "straight" bandmates and his management. Kriz ;o) |
| iGSM 03.09.2004 09:21 |
I'm almost certain Life is Real was written for John Lennon. Just a hunch and all. Well couldn't We Will Rock You have homosexual tones too it? We will, we will rock you? Meh. I'm just making that up. |
| Brianmay1975 03.09.2004 12:11 |
This story about We Are The Champions really gets on my nerves. Please anyone tell me why every Queen song written by Freddie has to be about AIDS or about homosexuality?! You Take My Breath Away might be written for a guy he loved, the song it's about love and who cares who is the lover? In what concerns WATC, please take a moment to look at the lyrics and try to see if they aren't fit for a sports team. And then try to see if the lyrics couldn't be regarded as a band's "manifesto". Can't it be about a band so often "kicked in the face" by the musical press, but finally getting succesful, despite the difficulties encountered on their way? Can't it be also about anyone of us, eh? Oh and yes it can be also about gay pride, no one can deny it... What makes the lyrics so great is that they apply to so many situations in life, it's a song for the gays and also a song for the straight ones. P.S. I'm no homophobic at all. I'm sorry for one thing though: there are some people in here who tend to accuse anybody of homophobia whenever they express something not so very nice about the gays. I can see that everybody has to apologise before saying anything that might be interpreted that way. I wish we could stop hunting the gays and the anti-gays on this forum, why do we have to be so suspicious all the time? Hope I didn't offend the gay fans out here, I really didn't mean it, ok? |
| deleted user 03.09.2004 12:45 |
Queenrocks4579 wrote: I am forever searching high and low But why does everyone tell me no Neptune of the seas an answer for me please The lily of the valley doesn't know I lie in wait with open eyes I carry on through stormy skies I follow every course my kingdom for a horse But each time I grow old Serpent of the Nile relieve me for a while And cast me from your spell and let me go Messenger from seven seas has flown To tell the king of Rhye he's lost his throne Wars will never cease Is there time enough for peace? The lily of the valley doesn't know Doesnt sound like it would be to herThat isn't Lilly of Valley, that's "The seven seas of Rhye" - DUH! |
| MexQueenFM 03.09.2004 13:05 |
sophia wrote: That isn't Lilly of Valley, that's "The seven seas of Rhye" - DUH!WTF!?!?!? are you for real? and it is Lilly of the Valley dear |
| deleted user 03.09.2004 13:40 |
MexQueenFM wrote:wat do u mean am i 4 real? mmmmmmm, brb - just putting on seven seas of rhyesophia wrote: That isn't Lilly of Valley, that's "The seven seas of Rhye" - DUH!WTF!?!?!? are you for real? and it is Lilly of the Valley dear just checkin' |
| deleted user 03.09.2004 13:42 |
god, soz 2 eny1 i offended or wateva. i am so rong :(. but it does refer to it doesn't it? or am i gonna be rong again. :(:(:(:( |
| MexQueenFM 03.09.2004 13:49 |
sophia wrote: god, soz 2 eny1 i offended or wateva. i am so rong :(. but it does refer to it doesn't it? or am i gonna be rong again. :(:(:(:(Fear me you lord and lady preachers I descend upon your earth from the skies I command your very souls you unbelievers Bring before me what is mine The seven seas of rhye Can you hear me you peers and privy councillors I stand before you naked to the eyes I will destroy any man who dares abuse my trust I swear that you’ll be mine At the seven seas of rhye Sister I live and lie for you Mister do and I’ll die You are mine I possess you Belong to you forever Storm the master marathon I’ll fly through By flash and thunder fire I’ll survive I’ll survive I’ll survive Then I’ll defy the laws of nature And come out alive Begone with you you shod and shady senators Give out the good leave out the bad evil cries I challenge the mighty titan and his troubadours And with a smile I’ll take you to the seven seas of rhye that's Seven seas of rhye and lilly of the valley just mentions "rhye" nothing to do with it |
| Krizzy 03.09.2004 14:50 |
Sorry but Mex is right. Kriz ;o) |
| Brianmay1975 04.09.2004 05:05 |
HeMaToSe_SuInA wrote: Freddie didn't have AIDS in the 70's...Nobody had AIDS in the 70s... or, at least, no one knew he had, cos AIDS was discovered around 1981. BoRhap could be about AIDS only if Freddie was a visionary... which I doubt very seriously he was! |
| SomebodyWhoLoves 04.09.2004 06:52 |
I always thought WATC is about the band's rise to superstardom, and taking on the world. I always thought the "WE" in the song is Freddie telling his bandmates that Queen is #1. I never thought once that it was a gay song. But knowing Freddie, it could be. I prefer the former. |
| Jimmy Dean 04.09.2004 09:08 |
Brianmay1975 wrote:Bohemian Rhapsody has nothing to do with AIDS.... at all. Because, as was just stated, AIDS was only discovered in 81. BohRhap was an intensly personal song. It had to do with his ...guilt... of leaving the straight life and entering the "real life" (or gay life)... "real life" was, according to something i saw or read somewhere, a term gay people used to describe their lifestlye, i think. The whole opera section is a representation of his guilt and sin of becoming a gay person (I'm not saying it's a sin, I'm saying he felt as though it may have been)..."Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me"... Freddie felt as though he was leaving th straight life and entering the gay life through the fires of hell. In other words he felt guilty of leaving Mary, the "love of his life"... "So you think you can stone and spit in my eye/So you think you can love me and leave me to die" those would be Mary's words to him, or at least the one's that Freddie thought she felt once she would understand his dilemma. So what was originally conceived by fans as a song about nonesense has a very clever and incredibly thoughtful context. Queen were never known for clever lyrics - clever chord changes, very much so. Not many realize how thoughtful a lot of their lyrics were.HeMaToSe_SuInA wrote: Freddie didn't have AIDS in the 70's...Nobody had AIDS in the 70s... or, at least, no one knew he had, cos AIDS was discovered around 1981. BoRhap could be about AIDS only if Freddie was a visionary... which I doubt very seriously he was! |
| Queenrocks4579 04.09.2004 15:17 |
Queenrocks4579 wrote: I am forever searching high and low But why does everyone tell me no Neptune of the seas an answer for me please The lily of the valley doesn't know I lie in wait with open eyes I carry on through stormy skies I follow every course my kingdom for a horse But each time I grow old Serpent of the Nile relieve me for a while And cast me from your spell and let me go Messenger from seven seas has flown To tell the king of Rhye he's lost his throne Wars will never cease Is there time enough for peace? The lily of the valley doesn't know Doesnt sound like it would be to her That isn't Lilly of Valley, that's "The seven seas of Rhye" - DUH! LOL you make me laugh that is what i said it is. Before you make false pretences get the right info first. DUMBASS And as for all this gay a homophobic stuff i mean god a song is a song. Queen constantly said that they always made songs for the audience to interpret and calling all girls was written by roger and who cares about what sex its for. It sound like a song made for an orgy consisting of men and women! |
| Queenrocks4579 04.09.2004 15:22 |
Bohemian Rhapsody has nothing to do with AIDS.... at all. Because, as was just stated, AIDS was only discovered in 81. BohRhap was an intensly personal song. It had to do with his ...guilt... of leaving the straight life and entering the "real life" (or gay life)... "real life" was, according to something i saw or read somewhere, a term gay people used to describe their lifestlye, i think. The whole opera section is a representation of his guilt and sin of becoming a gay person (I'm not saying it's a sin, I'm saying he felt as though it may have been)..."Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me"... Freddie felt as though he was leaving th straight life and entering the gay life through the fires of hell. In other words he felt guilty of leaving Mary, the "love of his life"... "So you think you can stone and spit in my eye/So you think you can love me and leave me to die" those would be Mary's words to him, or at least the one's that Freddie thought she felt once she would understand his dilemma. So what was originally conceived by fans as a song about nonesense has a very clever and incredibly thoughtful context. Queen were never known for clever lyrics - clever chord changes, very much so. Not many realize how thoughtful a lot of their lyrics were. Just for the record no one knows what bo rhap is about so please for anyone else who is going to try and explain it, stop. The onyl one who knows is freddie so unless someone has the balls to ask him in heaven we'll never know. |
| Brianmay1975 05.09.2004 05:36 |
Jimmy Dean wrote:Could make sense, but the lyrics aren't restrictive at all, they make you think about a lot of things, I stick to my opinion that anyone can interprete them the way he likes and that's exactly what's great about Freddie's songs (most of his love songs, for example, could be sung both to a man and to a woman, they just fit to evryone...).Brianmay1975 wrote:Bohemian Rhapsody has nothing to do with AIDS.... at all. Because, as was just stated, AIDS was only discovered in 81. BohRhap was an intensly personal song. It had to do with his ...guilt... of leaving the straight life and entering the "real life" (or gay life)... "real life" was, according to something i saw or read somewhere, a term gay people used to describe their lifestlye, i think. The whole opera section is a representation of his guilt and sin of becoming a gay person (I'm not saying it's a sin, I'm saying he felt as though it may have been)..."Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me"... Freddie felt as though he was leaving th straight life and entering the gay life through the fires of hell. In other words he felt guilty of leaving Mary, the "love of his life"... "So you think you can stone and spit in my eye/So you think you can love me and leave me to die" those would be Mary's words to him, or at least the one's that Freddie thought she felt once she would understand his dilemma. So what was originally conceived by fans as a song about nonesense has a very clever and incredibly thoughtful context. Queen were never known for clever lyrics - clever chord changes, very much so. Not many realize how thoughtful a lot of their lyrics were.HeMaToSe_SuInA wrote: Freddie didn't have AIDS in the 70's...Nobody had AIDS in the 70s... or, at least, no one knew he had, cos AIDS was discovered around 1981. BoRhap could be about AIDS only if Freddie was a visionary... which I doubt very seriously he was! |
| Rich Tea 05.09.2004 08:27 |
Sorry but what a load of bollox!!!! Queen songs could be written about anything, so what, thats personnal to the writer, the important thing here is how you as the listener interprits the lyrics thats what should be important to you personnaly! If you are gay and feel Champions is an anthem for you thats fine. Personnally each Queen song is one of two things to me either a piece of pure entertainment or a personal comment/statement on a particular part of my life! They should be something completely different to someone else! Why does it matter that a particular song is written about Mary it's got sod all to do with me I don't know her, thats personal to Freddie! |