| supernova190188 21.08.2004 10:04 |
Just a thought but how long do you think it will before music is made where not every song is crap like today. |
| the oppositionist 21.08.2004 11:27 |
Never. The time has been and gone. Individualism no longer seems to make music, but is it finally making a turn around? I dont know really. Now you know your market and you work to make the most money. the beatles wrote songs like strawberry fields forever... i do wonder if songs like that are like buses... |
| SergeantPepperDG 21.08.2004 11:29 |
As a whole, I don't like today's music, but there are some random songs I like. And yes, I'm guilty of singing along to "Beautiful" when I hear it on the radio... |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 21.08.2004 14:08 |
Not any time soon. I mean, if artists like Hilary Duff and Ashlee Simpson are successful, then people's music tastes have drastically changed. Now, it's pretty much a rap/hip-hop/pop music world. Even rock, at least the kind that's popular, has been considerably toned down. Music just doesn't have the raw feeling it used to; it's more calculated. |
| Lord Blackadder 21.08.2004 15:32 |
If you look past Britney and Christina and Eminem and Jay-Z, there is some good music, there's a band called Franz Ferdinand on it's way to America that you might like, they are Queen fans too. Very unusual guitar band, unique songs (look our for 'Matinee' and 'Take Me Out'). And i like The Darkness and Scissor Sisters too. |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 21.08.2004 15:38 |
There is good music, (I like Franz Ferdinand, as well as The Darkness, Velvet Revolver, etc.) but so much of it is overshadowed by the less than talented artists. I just can't help but wondering what's happened to music when artists like Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton have record deals. |
| Koolkikiland 21.08.2004 21:05 |
There's only been one band I've encountered since Queen that got me as excited about music as Queen did, and that was Jellyfish in the early 90's. Too bad they only came out with 2 albums before calling it quits, Bellybutton and Spilt Milk. :( They're pretty heavy on the Beatles influence but lots of nods to Queen and overall fantastic musicianship. |
| Shane Jazz 21.08.2004 22:44 |
I live in America, and am totally blown away by Muse. Absolutely stunning last album. But they are totally overlooked around here in favor of such "rock" acts as Simple Plan and New Found Glory. Give me a break. We just gotta hope that Freddie's famous "Talent will out, my dear" quote comes to fruition for bands that have real talent, like Muse. |
| Daburcor? 22.08.2004 11:03 |
supernova190188 wrote: Just a thought but how long do you think it will before music is made where not every song is crap like today.Listen to the new Heart album. And THEN, Put this in the personal section. ;) |
| iGSM 22.08.2004 11:19 |
Meh, rock is quivering here in Australia after AC/DC came and went and Cold Chisel rose to bore another generation. Jet is doin' alright. But I think the whole world has gone topsy turvy. I wonder if I could get a recording contract. But I guess all music has its' day and sudden and often painful revival. I can't see myself going 'Ugh. Queen? Yuck. All those guitars and what not. I'd rather connect to Globalsoft and become a ga-ga girl..wait a second..' |
| The Real Wizard 24.08.2004 15:01 |
There's always been garbage in the mainstream since the 50s. It's nothing new. For the past decades, most of the best music hasn't been in the commercial spotlight. |
| Rich Tea 24.08.2004 19:06 |
Thats right nothing's changed in Music you have always had to hunt down the really good artists but there are still loads out there if you look hard enough! Occasionally a gem makes a successful commercial crossover have to agree that Muse are my current big name favourites! Good music though is all about taste and opinion! And you know what they say about opinions? They are like arseholes we have all got one! |
| Saint Jiub 24.08.2004 19:21 |
The problem - You whippersnappers are getting old. LOL |
| Garden Lodge 24.08.2004 19:53 |
Back in the 60's, 70's and perhaps mid 80's musicians got together a decided to form a band. These were musicians 100% After mid 80's marketing and business people started creating "idols", "singers" and "superstars" and it seemed to worked very well as a business. One hit groups and one shot singers started to flow the market since then..... Wonder why true groups like Queen are still #1 in most countries while lots of one-night-shining stars not..... |
| Mr.Jingles 24.08.2004 20:55 |
THE 10 WORST THINGS ABOUT MUSIC TODAY... 1. Fabricated pop acts like Hillary Duff, Nick Carter and Jessica Simpson whose music totally SUCK. Like their music wasn't bad enough they hook their siblings into the music business to make more crappy music. 2. In a similar way to the previous one, we have the Hollywood stars who aside from being awful actors, they become even worse singers. See... Lindsay Lohan, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and FEAR THIS... PARIS HILTON! (Who is working on her debut album) 3. Hip-hop/rap artists (if you can them that) that probably understand chinese better than what's written on a music sheet. Since all they do is basically the same here's an example of the basic elements of hip-hop songs and videos. MAIN ELEMENTS OF A HIP-HOP SONG - Society bashing. Especially from the upper class. - Bashing of family members, and other people who didn't believe in them. - Bashing of other rappers. - Collaborations with other rappers or when they feel like allowing someone to actually sing then they call an R&B star. - Shout out to their record labels. - Shout out to other rappers. - Words that even those who grew up in the ghetto can't understand (Ej... Fo' shizzle ma' nizzle') - Lots and lots of profanity. MAIN ELEMENTS OF A HIP-HOP VIDEO - Rappers shooting their videos in the ghetto, to make their audience feel like they still belong to "DA HOOD". - Dozens of bimbos in skimpy clothes surrounding the rapper in a tub. - Party at the rapper's fancy crib. - The rapper's posse (Loser friends living on his fortune like parasites) - Fancy cars that bounce up and down - Slow motion shots of bitches getting down and dirty while shaking their booties. - Lots and lots of bling-bling (jewerly). When they can't come up with any beats or melodies, they either steal them or pay huge amounts of cash to talented people who have actually written them... 4. ...Which brings us to music sell outs like Jimmy Page, Sting, Phil Collins, and yes QUEEN TOO!! who have sold out by giving right to talentless pop acts and awful rappers to re-make their classic songs and completely destroy them. 5. Mainstream songs of the moment that are basically all the same. It all starts with a one band that is widely successful and after their huge breakthrough then you have 20 more bands playing the exact same music. Look at all these punk bands that are just copying Green Day... Good Charlote, Sum 41, New Found Glory, All American Rejects, Simple Plan, etc. 6. Artists coming out with their own line of clothing, perfumes, and other crappy merchandise aside from their dreadful music. (Ej. Jennifer Lopez, Sean 'Puffy' Combs, and Celine Dion. 7. Retro bands that bring no originality whatsover and all they do is completely rip-off everything from their most influential artists. Oasis = Beatles Scissor Sisters = Elton John The Darkness = Queen 8. Music critics hailing bands like The White Stripes or The Strokes as 'THE NEXT BIG THING' when they are still way too far from becoming the phenomenon that critics predict they will be. Most of them actually suck. 9. Nu-metal and other forms of rock music mixed with rap. Absolutely horrible. 10. MTV (enough said) |
| 7Innuendo7 24.08.2004 20:56 |
You can tell how good a band is by how they perform live. Live music is where it's at. If there's lip-synching throughout or enough haircare products to worsen the ozone hole, the band sucks. If the band thinks Clear Channel is a model of honest capitalism, lock n' load ;) |
| Saint Jiub 24.08.2004 21:04 |
I think Jingles is starting to look distiguished with all that gray hair around his temples. Fogeys have always accused younguns of listening to noise rather than music. Mind you, I still think "rap" starts with a silent "C". Eh sonny. |
| Music Man 24.08.2004 21:05 |
I think music is in its ARC stage right now. |
| high-flying-adored 24.08.2004 23:07 |
Bullwinkle wrote: The problem - You whippersnappers are getting old. LOLOne more reason to be nice to new people and thus pass everything on ... augh, sounds like a freaking literary plea. Whatever. |
| joeyjojo 24.08.2004 23:43 |
Are you all debating music trends or multinational media conglomerate business practices? These *are* two different things. There's also some rather narrow minded opinions in here as well (notably the comments on hip-hop). |
| willem-jan 8923 25.08.2004 06:21 |
There are lots and lots of good bands around these days. Indeed, listening to the radio doesn't convince one of this fact, but when you go out to a dedicated bar/club whatever, you'll hear plenty of good new songs. Also the internet helps quiet a bit. There are tons of stations that do play quality music. However, you have to search for it. It doesn't come to you just like that. And as GH said, it's always been like that. However, with the internet nowadays the opportunities to listen to the music you like are bigger then ever. |
| Fenderek 25.08.2004 08:10 |
I heard about DREAM THEATER- checked that out and was blown away- you can't hear that in the radio, can you? Not in London anyway... Than I started to look for their interviews, checking the bands they were listening to, that influenced them (than I discovered Queensryche and Rush), than I started checking their solo collaborations and their COLLABORATORS... Because of TRANSATLANTIC where Mike Portnoy was involved I've heard about SPOCK'S BEARD and THE FLOWER KINGS... And so on, so on... There's plenty of good music out there- you just have to look for it; actually it's more satisfactory to find sth like that rather than turn on the radio and go for some commercial crap or an "artist" that everyone will forget in 3 years time... |
| Mr.Jingles 25.08.2004 08:35 |
joeyjojo wrote: Are you all debating music trends or multinational media conglomerate business practices? These *are* two different things. There's also some rather narrow minded opinions in here as well (notably the comments on hip-hop).Is this becoming a race issue? The problem with rap/hip-hop is that it's all the same songs, the same videos, and I could undoubtedly say that 90% or hip-hop/rap is exactly the same crap. I recall Prince talking on his Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame induction speech saying how black music has been destroyed and become an issue of image and turned into a money making machine instead of keeping the very essence of music. Besides it was mainly black artists who created rock n' roll by creating a fussion of jazz and blues, genres which they created as well. They have also created other great genres such as soul, funk, and R&B. People like Sean 'Puffy' Combs are nothing but an insult to all those multi-talented black artists who worked so hard to create great music. Comparing 'Bad Boy Records' to 'Motown' is just absolutely absurd. The only hip-hop artists today that I have to applaud today for at least trying to be somehow different from other rappers are Outkast and Black Eyed Peas. |
| joeyjojo 25.08.2004 09:41 |
"Is this becoming a race issue?" Not at all. You're just expressing your narrow minded opinion on an entire genre of music. It's no different than saying all jazz is the same set of compositions or all rock is the same set of chords. You don't have to LIKE a genre to appreciate the skills and contributions it has broughten to the world of music. Rap, Rock, Jazz, Blues, they all have the same roots. Your opinion of rap is fine...it's your opinion, but you seem to be basing it on the top 20 urban chart or something. EVERYTHING on the radio is crap, so to judge an entire genre based on that is simply being very narrow minded. |
| joeyjojo 25.08.2004 09:51 |
Oh...I suppose I should have read your entire post before replying ;o) Yes, you definitely seem to be judging the whole of hip hop based on Outkast and Puff Daddy...hardly a comprehensive analysis. ;o) I certainly understand the reaction to most radio hip-hop. I have the same reaction. I actually have the same reaction to pretty much all genres played on pop-40 radio...which seems as all that there is left these days on the airwaves. Recent hip-hop that I've taken a shine to is Cee-lo. Some good stuff IMHO. |
| willem-jan 8923 25.08.2004 10:49 |
Lord Fenderrus (a.k.a. Fenderek) wrote: I heard about DREAM THEATER- checked that out and was blown away- you can't hear that in the radio, can you? Not in London anyway... Than I started to look for their interviews, checking the bands they were listening to, that influenced them (than I discovered Queensryche and Rush), than I started checking their solo collaborations and their COLLABORATORS... Because of TRANSATLANTIC where Mike Portnoy was involved I've heard about SPOCK'S BEARD and THE FLOWER KINGS... And so on, so on... There's plenty of good music out there- you just have to look for it; actually it's more satisfactory to find sth like that rather than turn on the radio and go for some commercial crap or an "artist" that everyone will forget in 3 years time...That makes 2 of us! Dream theater + is waaaayyyyy better then Queen + Working with other artists is not necessarily a bad thing, you just have to pick the right artist. And yes, I know about Queen + Bowie, but that is the exception to the rule that Queen (or Brian) always pick the wrong ones |
| The Real Wizard 25.08.2004 11:11 |
willem-jan wrote: That makes 2 of us!Three now! joeyjojo wrote: There's also some rather narrow minded opinions in here as well (notably the comments on hip-hop).Yeah, Jingles had a pretty good post there, but he was describing just the commercial side. Indeed it is a horrible message all around... the language, the womanizing, etc etc. But there is definitely much underground rap and hip-hop music that doesn't fit that description. I'm still not a fan of the genre, but I definitely respect that there are rap artists out there who are trying to portray positive messages. |
| deleted user 25.08.2004 13:04 |
Well, there will never be another F.M for sure or anyone close. |