QueenZone discussion #378762

:=[Tom Cat]=: (former ICMROCHA) wrote: Do you guys now if there's gonna be any overdub on the CD/DVD of Milton Keynes??

artist_nine wrote: I would disagree about Live Magic being clean of overdubs. For example, A Kind Of Magic is clearly taken from the Budapest concert. However, the end bit "will soon be will soon be..." sung by Freddie is overdubbed (or taken from another concert). On the VHS Live in Budapest you can hear Freddie singing the part very low, but on Live Magic Freddie magically gets his voice back and sings much higher. Could anyone confirm this, or am I wrong?

EddieVanHalen wrote: Some guitar parts on One Vision were in fact overdubbed on the Live Magic album, for example in the region between 1:42 and 1:46, there's a slight variation in that lick which can't be played live by only 1 human.

Sir GH wrote:

artist_nine wrote: I would disagree about Live Magic being clean of overdubs. For example, A Kind Of Magic is clearly taken from the Budapest concert. However, the end bit "will soon be will soon be..." sung by Freddie is overdubbed (or taken from another concert). On the VHS Live in Budapest you can hear Freddie singing the part very low, but on Live Magic Freddie magically gets his voice back and sings much higher. Could anyone confirm this, or am I wrong?

Good observation. But what we're hearing is actually Spike and Roger singing the line, and they muted Freddie's vocal track. You hear Freddie's first "will soon be" and then he's gone until the final "will soon be done" on his own, before the big finish.

EddieVanHalen wrote: Some guitar parts on One Vision were in fact overdubbed on the Live Magic album, for example in the region between 1:42 and 1:46, there's a slight variation in that lick which can't be played live by only 1 human.

I didn't notice anything tricky at this point. Are you sure you have the right time region? If you're talking about 2:39 to 2:40, that's definitely as it happened. It's the tapping part Brian did on just about every night of the tour.

EddieVanHalen wrote: I've listened to the cd, and it's around 1:44 1:45.It's not very noticeable, and if you wouldn't know it was there you probably wouldn't hear it.It's a sort of muted chord sound that you can hear for just a second or so that I'm talking about, amongst guitarists also known as a rasp. It's very hard to explain to someone that doesn't play the guitar. I hope this will be of any help.

Sir GH wrote:

EddieVanHalen wrote: I've listened to the cd, and it's around 1:44 1:45.It's not very noticeable, and if you wouldn't know it was there you probably wouldn't hear it.It's a sort of muted chord sound that you can hear for just a second or so that I'm talking about, amongst guitarists also known as a rasp. It's very hard to explain to someone that doesn't play the guitar. I hope this will be of any help.

I'm a guitarist, and I definitely hear exactly what you're talking about. But what is so humanly impossible about that part, as you mentioned?

Bohardy wrote: EddieVanHalen: You'd think with a name like that you'd actually know something about playing the guitar. To say that what Brian plays at around the 1:45 mark in One Vision cannot be played live by only 1 human is staggeringly laughable. At the moment the song reaches 1:45 Brian lightly plays a muted staccato note which sounds like a G, 3rd fret on the bottom E. He immediately unfrets the string and slides his hand up and down the fretboard quickly, and you hear the noise of his left hand sliding against the strings, an effect which you hear much more clearly at the end of the original WWRY solo. I first thought that this was the bit your on about, but I'm not so sure now. If it was, well a 2 year-old could make that noise. Then between 1:46 and 1:48 Brian plays a simple lick that goes like this (click 'edit' to see tab properly): E|----------------|-- B|--6-----6-------|-- G|--5-------5---7-|-- D|------------5-7-|-- A|--------------5-|-- E|----------------|-- How that can be impossible to play live by 1 human is beyond me. You even see Bri playing pretty much that exact riff in the studio during the making of One Vision on Magic Years 1 and GVHII. I will admit that the actual sound of the guitar in the mix seems to change slightly for this lick, but I personally don't think thats a sign of an overdub/bit of editing. What this lick definitely isn't though is two guitars. Absolutely not. The lick that earwig mentions at 2:47 sounds a little more suspect to me. Again, it's easy for 1 guitarist to pull-off, but the sound of that specific riff is noticeably different to the surrounding guitar parts. I have no idea what you can hear at those points in AKOM and RGG earwig that indicates there's been some kind of splice there. There's absolutely nothing at all that stands out to my ears there.