Rien 02.08.2004 18:02 |
I've just read on the Off. Queen Website and Brian's site that the 46664 Latino concert has been postponed. |
FriedChicken 02.08.2004 18:35 |
postponed? |
iGSM 02.08.2004 20:29 |
Postponed. |
iron eagle 02.08.2004 20:59 |
first on then cancelled then on again then cancelled again i know quite a few very disappointed people |
RogerTaylorNet 03.08.2004 03:27 |
I am indeed disappointed. I was about to book everything and combine it with a short holiday. It's a real shame it's been cancelled because it would have been important. I just would like a bit more details why. I hope they (46664 concerts) will put some infos on the website soon. Sorry for those who booked already everything and now lose a lot of money.... |
YourValentine 03.08.2004 05:14 |
- flight - rental car - hotel - 2 weeks of vacation - 120 euros for tickets - will I get the money back? This is the last time I booked a concert with alleged Brian/Roger participation. Maybe it's not their fault but Jim Beach is the director of the concert and an organization of that caliber just should not team up with such amateurs. Queen and all the other stars who agreed to perform could not look more stupid now. A concert cancelled 3 weeks before it was supposed to take place for no reason given is sure a first off. |
deleted user 03.08.2004 05:26 |
Barbara says it all. I'm just speechless, as this Benidorm holiday was supposed to be my 2004 highest point. Not that I won't go there now, after I booked there for 8 days, already paid for travel and so on... If all this will be true and confirmed, it's the end of me following Brian and Roger around the world and above all it's the end of 46664; which is a charity organization but it's an amateur one, I lost all my respect for them and won't give any more cent. I'm still hoping, but it's just the hope of a man who is organizing the trip since months, for myself and other people from Italy, who's spending his days browsing Benidorm sites, who spent many money, who made the impossible at work in order to be able to attend the concert, staying on vacation so long, rather than a real possibility. I'm speachless... |
Pim Derks 03.08.2004 05:28 |
Sorry to hear that YV :( If I were you, I'd sent a VERY pissed off e-mail to Brian's soapbox with as subject "WWRY musical - I love it!" then it's sure he'll read it. I'm glad Niek & I didn't book anything.... The last news about it was that all artists would only perform 2 songs each... Now I'm a big fan, but paying 300+ euros in total to see B+R play WWRY/WATC once more - no thanks. |
Jjeroen 03.08.2004 05:55 |
Hear hear Luca!! What a bunch of amateurs. We could have expected that they had learnd something from South Africa, which was also cancelled first time around! Good thing they didn't send this message one day later or I would also have thrown a lot of money in the sea... |
YourValentine 03.08.2004 05:56 |
Yes, I could send Brian an email just because he is available but this time it's sure not his fault (other than Dallas or the Lonnie Donegan Tribute), so it would not be fair to blame him for this. I thought it would be very likely they play their 46664 songs plus WATC with Montserrat Caballé. There were other interesting acts on the set list, mainly my favourite Spanish guitarist Paco de Lucia. Trips like that are always a good chance to meet some friends from the internet and there was already a nice group together - all people who spent all their money and their annual vacation for the occasion and will be bitterly disappointed now. |
Roy ® 03.08.2004 06:05 |
I´am sorry for you all, but the link site got the same announce. |
Maz 03.08.2004 13:39 |
What is really sad is that Brian has yet to make a comment on his Soapbox about this. Since it was announced, there have been posts about the Las Vegas WWRY cast, but nothing from him on the cancellation. A simple or brief confirmation would have gone miles for fans, but this continued silence is probably pissing them off. |
deleted user 03.08.2004 17:57 |
Zeni got the point. I'm TREMENDOUSLY pissed off by Brian, I HATE that musical now, he's just worrying about it and no care for what fans really want: more dvds, the queen boxes, new album, touring... I promised that Benidorm would have been my last trip to see him and Roger in case the gig was deleted and hell, I hope I will be able to keep my word!! Not a word about 46664 is just a shame, after that many fans (to my knowledge) wrote him to complain, after the first rumours about it being deleted. Musical here, musical there... you can follow the casts day by day... but no compassion, no pity for those fans who erased their own projects just to drive around Europe to see them performing live? And spending a hell of a lot of money for doing that? I had enought of all that, I always say I should just concentrate my thoughts, energies and money on the REAL Queen (1970-1991), I think time has come for me to do it. |
Rien 03.08.2004 18:13 |
I do not agree with you hangman. Nothing personal!:-) You don't know why Brian hasn't responded, he is on a short holiday with his family, and perhaps he is sorting things out in the background. He was deeply involved with the first 46664 concert. In this case it might be different, though I hear that Jim Beach is still managing it? Btw I can believe he does not post all his messages or WWRY pictures every day by himself. Most likely he will provide the webmistress with an amount of material for a certain period. |
QueenSite 03.08.2004 18:14 |
It's a long time since I wrote here. A few words: I didn't plan to come to see the 46664 gig, simply because in last months I've become a bit disillusioned about Queen. I mean, in the last 20 years I made lots of sacrifices to see them live, both as band than as solos. I really enjoyed Brian and Roger in Modena last year, but this Musical stuff and everything is getting really ridiculous. Brian is dedicating all his efforts to this, I understand it is lucrative, but, c'mon, I was in London two years ago in holiday and I didn't dream going to see the musical: why should I spend lots of bucks to see a bunch of youngsters covering Queen? But anyway, about 46664 Latino, I don't think Brian and Roger have to be blamed, government over there is giving lots of problems to the organizers, I think they made their best efforts. I didn't plan to go (as I didn't go the Zucchero gig in London) as honestly I'm quite tired of seeing Brian and Roger playing as backing musicians to shitty singers or youngsters. I quite regret the times when, as 10 years ago, Roger played gigs in very intimate venues in Italy (less than 500 people), or when Brian played for 100 fans in Rome in 1998, and so on. They didn't play the stadiums then, but at least we got some real music that was worth every sacrifice. Now I won't travel for miles to see Roger singin just a 1'30" edit of Radio Gaga and Brian getting excited while playing some guitar licks for people like Zucchero, who I frankly hate. And I wouldn't travel so far to listen to Monserrat Caballè. I will be ready to travel again when Brian and Roger (together or on their won) will play again some REAL concerts that makes it worth. I'm sorry for those of you who already bought tickets for the Latino show (the 46664 cause is great and must be supported), you'll surely get refunds. |
Mr. Scully 04.08.2004 04:51 |
Fucking amateurs. I swear I'm done. Bought tickets for Donegan tribute but Brian cancelled because he had a press conference in Vegas. Went to see SAS Band's 10th anniversary gig in England, hoping that Brian could get his arse from Dominion hopefully play at least one song but not a chance. Bought a bloody expensive trip to Spain, then the concert was said to be cancelled or postponed, then Brian announced it's OK and then it's postponed again. I know some of that they can't be blamed for but what the hell can they expect from the fans after all this? I swear, no more of these "Queen" concerts unless they play in Germany, max. 100 km from my country. |
Babel_esp 04.08.2004 06:17 |
This is what I can add SOURCE: link (very reliable source!) LINK: link La versión en castellano del '46664' para recaudar fondos contra el sida, que tenía previsto organizar la Fundación Nelson Mandela en Benidorm el próximo 21 de agosto, ha sido aplazado debido a las diferencias económicas entre el promotor y el consistorio de la localidad alicantina. La direccióndel acto se queja de que el ayuntamiento "ha incumplido de contrato al no hacer efectivas las garantías bancarias económicas y financieras pactadas para cubrir los costes de producción del evento". Por su parte, el consistorio declara que los organizadores no han logrado el nivel de calidad del cartel de artistas, que prometieron en su momento. ['46664' latino concert has been postponed due to economical differences between the promoters and Benidorm's city council] Por Agencias / los40.com Alicante (04/08/2004) ------------------------------------------------------------ El coordinador de Grandes Eventos del Ayuntamiento de Benidorm, José Amor, informó a los medios que los organizadores del show prometieron que en éste no faltaría ni una de las grandes estrellas latinas como Ricky Martin, Shakira, Chayanne, Alejandro Sanz o Luis Miguel. Sin embargo, al final no estaba confirmado "ni uno solo de ellos". "El concierto que se nos vendió en enero de la Fundación Nelson Mandela no se parece en nada al cartel que nos propusieron definitivo el 29 de julio. Se trataba de artistas de segundo y tercer nivel", argumentó el concejal de Benidorm. [Major artists (al least for spanish public) such as Shakira, Chayanne, Alejandro Sanz or Luis Miguel aren't confirmed yet as it was promised by the organizers] El concierto "46664 Latino" estaba inicialmente concebido por la Fundación Nelson Mandela, que organizó el primero en solidaridad con el sida en noviembre de 2003 en Ciudad del Cabo (Sudáfrica) con algunas de las principales estrellas internacionales, como un gran evento musical al que asistieran las primeras figuras de la canción latinas. ['46664 Latino' was ment to be a major musical event in which the biggest international stars were going to perform] Estaba previsto que el concierto se celebrase en el estadio municipal de fútbol, con capacidad para 30.000 espectadores, y que tuviera un presupuesto de unos 3 millones de euros, cifra que ha ido reduciéndose paulatinamente ante la merma de calidad del cartel. [The original concert was going to have place in the Municipal Stadium (capacity 30000 souls) and the budget was around 3 millon euros - amount that has been reduced as artists were unconfirmed] La caída de artistas hizo que el pasado 29 de julio el Ayuntamiento comunicara al productor ejecutivo del concierto, Luis Alvarez, que no garantizaba el concierto, al considerar que no tenía la calidad inicialmente prevista y ante el hecho de que a falta de unas semanas solamente se habían vendido 600 entradas. [The lack of some important artists was the reason why on 29th July the city Council announced that the event wasn't guaranteed at all given that only a few weeks to the scheduled date only 600 ticket had been sold] |
QueenSite 04.08.2004 06:17 |
unfortunately the show is now cancelled |
YourValentine 04.08.2004 06:42 |
"Se trataba de artistas de segundo y tercer nivel" there were only second rate and third rate artists.... "The lack of some important artists was the reason why on 29th July the city Council announced that the event wasn't guaranteed at all given that only a few weeks to the scheduled date only 600 ticket had been sold" This is just disgraceful - 600 tickets!! I cannot blame Brian for being silent - what a terrible humiliating situation. It really does not matter much who is to blame, it's probably the worst fiasco in Brian's career- considering that Nelson Mandela himself announced the event. I really feel bad now for Roger and Brian, they don't deserve this, after all it was supposed to be a charity concert. |
Mr. Scully 04.08.2004 07:09 |
The truth is that on the bill are second and third rate artists. I would never attend such a concert if it wasn't for Brian's and Roger's involvement. Even if it was outside my house. I really don't know whom to blame but I'm mad as hell. What did they expect, 30000 people going to see some Latino singers? Compare with the artists Modena - Queen, Deep Purple, Pavarotti, Ricky Martin, Bono, Lionel Ritchie. What a HUGE difference. |
Oberon 04.08.2004 07:27 |
This is such a shame. Wasn't planning on going myself, but I can understand why people are upset/angry. I don't think you can blame Brian or Roger really in this instance. Maybe Jim Beach has come accountability for promotional errors, but most of all I think it was the lack of big name artists. The artists announced may be well known in Latino culture, but I didn't really know many of them. Perhaps the Latino theme was wrong from the outset. Zuchurro I only know from his record with Paul Young, but would not have remembered that had he not been at the tribute and played with Brian since. Monseratte Caballe, ok could have been a nice touch for her to sing, but that wouldn't make me rush to expend the effort to get over there. I think this was the problem. Not enough promotion and the wrong set of artists. Perhaps those 600 tickets were Queen fans who couldn't get to South Africa? Lets face it, Brian and Roger aren't going to be able to carry the gig on their own. If they had some more globally popular artists, I think the show would have sold much better. I wouldn't be surprised if this re-surfaced later this/next year with a bill more like the SA concert. |
QueenSite 04.08.2004 07:32 |
yes, right. Moreover, Benidorm is really a strange choice, maybe in Barcelona or Madrid it would have been better. Anyway, sorry for the 46664 lesson but I hope Brian and Roger learn something from this, maybe a little bit more promotion for it instead of working their asses off for the bloody musical! |
QueenSite 04.08.2004 07:34 |
South African gig had some big names at least: Peter Gabriel, U2, Eurythmics, Corrs... |
WarQueen 04.08.2004 07:36 |
Pim Derks wrote: I'm glad Niek & I didn't book anything.... The last news about it was that all artists would only perform 2 songs each... Now I'm a big fan, but paying 300+ euros in total to see B+R play WWRY/WATC once more - no thanks.Couldnt agree more... |
Oberon 04.08.2004 07:40 |
QueenSite wrote: It's a long time since I wrote here. A few words: I didn't plan to come to see the 46664 gig, simply because in last months I've become a bit disillusioned about Queen. I mean, in the last 20 years I made lots of sacrifices to see them live, both as band than as solos. I really enjoyed Brian and Roger in Modena last year, but this Musical stuff and everything is getting really ridiculous. Brian is dedicating all his efforts to this, I understand it is lucrative, but, c'mon, I was in London two years ago in holiday and I didn't dream going to see the musical: why should I spend lots of bucks to see a bunch of youngsters covering Queen?I think you're missing out here. Some of the performers have AMAZING voices - the girls mainly. Ok, so it's not Fred, and it's not Brian on the guitar, but it is an event and it is Queen music, and it is done well. The story is silly and I cringe at one point when it goes a bit OTT, but I've still seen it 3 times and would like to see it in Vegas as they change it around when they take it overseas. I'm sure it is lucrative, but I think Brian's primary interest is in being a perfectionist, not to maximise the profits. I'm quite tired of seeing Brian and Roger playing as backing musicians to shitty singers or youngsters. I quite regret the times when, as 10 years ago, Roger played gigs in very intimate venues in Italy (less than 500 people), or when Brian played for 100 fans in Rome in 1998, and so on. They didn't play the stadiums then, but at least we got some real music that was worth every sacrifice. Now I won't travel for miles to see Roger singin just a 1'30" edit of Radio Gaga and Brian getting excited while playing some guitar licks for people like Zucchero, who I frankly hate. And I wouldn't travel so far to listen to Monserrat Caballè. I will be ready to travel again when Brian and Roger (together or on their won) will play again some REAL concerts that makes it worth. I'm sorry for those of you who already bought tickets for the Latino show (the 46664 cause is great and must be supported), you'll surely get refunds.I agree with you here, however. I'd prefer to see them on their own sharing the vocals, or even with the SAS band or Chris Thompson doing something with them. Doesn't need to be a big show. They wouldn't be doing it for the money, I'm sure, so some small gigs would be cool. Will it happen? I very much doubt it. As I said earlier, I like the musical, but I do think Brian's too involved. By now I'm sure he could hand the reins over to Mike Dixon perhaps so there's no need for Brian and Roger to fly all over the place doing auditions and sorting out the musicians etc. If only Brian would listen to Roger - he seems to be in the right frame of mind! |
RogerTaylorNet 04.08.2004 09:19 |
Oberon, must agree with you here. It IS an amazing musical. It’s fun and the performers are great. But you are right as well in saying that Brian is spending all his efforts to it. But that is what he wants to do nowadays it seems. As for Roger, who really wants to do something new, well, this must be kind of frustrating. But nobody would hold him back to record a new solo album and do nice little gigs like those from the EF tour, which was his best I think. But for now they are only producers of this musical. And though I did see it in London a couple of times and it will open here in Cologne (and I am looking forward to that but will surely not go to see it monthly) I am a bit frustrated with them stopping doing new stuff and re-record those old songs over and over again. (I am not starting a discussion as what they should call themselves these days, ok? ;-)) As for Benidorm: Like YourValentine said it: It IS disgraceful. It’s a shame that it does not take place. I do feel sorry for those who now lost lots of money and are frustrated. And still no official word on the reason. Which is something that makes me mad. I don’t expect Brian to publish something on his soapbox but I would prefer not to hear anything about the Vegas cast for now because that is (at the moment) not a thing that is interesting me. I want to know the reason why it had been cancelled/postponed/whatever by those who caused this mess. About ticket sales: My guess was that they just sold it in Benidorm/Alicante to tourists who were there already and liked to see a concert that was taken place in their holiday region. But the lack of international artists, poor promotion and what ever reason was there is really a shame. I am still speechless and disappointed. |
Babel_esp 04.08.2004 12:12 |
This is the line up shown in the 46664 website: Queen ===== QUEEN RULES!!! Zucchero ======== He participates often in these kind of events, but honestly I wouldn't call him a top artist. Montserrat Caballé ================== For me a good choice, specially is she was going to sing 'Barcelona' Dave Stewart ============ Not a top artist, not at the bottom. Let's call it 'gray'. Chayanne ======== If confirmed, it could fit in a so-called 'latino' event. He is a step behind Ricky Martin though. Joaquin Cortés ============== This one doesn't sing hopefully, for me totally out of context. I don't like his shows. Luis Cobos ========== Well, this one is not a singer either. He is a classical music composer so expect here an instrumental piece. Out of place also may it be a rock event or a latino one. Paco de Lucia ============= Well, this one is the top spanish-guitar player in the world but it is still a strange choice for a big 'latino' event. Diego Torres ============ This is just a sucky teenager "singer" who is out of place anywhere. Miguel Bosé =========== This is the seducer man for the girls that have passed their 40s. Well-known gay, he has a bass voice that can be interesting to hear. He made some good hit in the 1980s but nothing remarkable in the last 10-15 years. So not a top artist again... Ricardo Montaner ================ Who the hell is this one? Jarabe de Palo ============== A regular spanish group which songs are slow and boring. Azúcar Moreno ============= These are a couple of gypsy girl that had a major hit more than 10 years ago when they went to Eurovision representing Spain. Far far far from being a top performer. Alex Ubago ========== Hmmm this one is a good promise of the spanish music in his style. Mostly orientated to teenager girls he sings love songs (and no other theme) supposedly (and probably) self-composed. Not bad if he sings only one or two songs and no more :). Franco de Vita ============== I don't know who is him Malú ==== A girl with a good voice and nothing else - her songs are boring and she isn't very successful in the spanish market either. There are plenty of other better choices. Miguel Rios =========== Well known in Spain, he has past his best long ago. He was the soul of rock and roll in Spain in the late 70's - his songs are greedy though. So summing up, they ARE really 2nd and 3rd level artists (please let's not forget that Queen itself is not at the top nowadays) that is far from attract music fans in Spain. |
deleted user 04.08.2004 13:15 |
"(please let's not forget that Queen itself is not at the top nowadays)" Let also not forget that Queen doesn't exsist anymore either. Just 2 tired old guys making money off re-playing re-editing re-releasing stuff that has been around for 25 years. |
RMT Fan 04.08.2004 13:27 |
Yes, that's a shame because the two play little these days. And I just lost any hope in believing anything new comes up... :( Buuu, I want Rog to make another record, better or worse, but everything is better than that! I love "Say It's Not True" as it is Rog's new song. But I can agree, this isn't a hit or anything! (...) |
RMT Fan 04.08.2004 13:54 |
Bri already added some notes on that in his soapbox. But still, that explains anything! :( Just financial reasons. |
Freddie May 04.08.2004 13:58 |
Here it is : "We all apologise for this unfortunate let-down. I have little, sadly, at the moment, to add to the official statement. Luis is mortified, but there was no way he could have gone ahead once the City of Benidorm had withdrawn their financial support, whatever their reasons. There seems to have been a lack of belief here. Beyond this, I know that all our team will not rest until the concert is re-scheduled, perhaps in a different city. Everyone believes the 46664 cause is worth fighting for. Not everything is easy. Or even possible. But the will is there. love bri" |
The Mir@cle 04.08.2004 15:59 |
Miguel Rios .... didn't he played tennis?? I hope there will be a concert soon, but forget this Latino shit and plan something like Cape Town but then in Europe. |
Mr. Scully 05.08.2004 03:06 |
Brian says the city hasn't given any financial support. Benidorm says that only 600 tickets were sold. I see quite a difference between these two statements. Financial support is one thing. But inviting third-rate artists (that I've never ever heard of before) is another thing. |
Hank H. 05.08.2004 10:49 |
How ridiculous. But honestly, I have to say 46664 surely was a nice idea, but the execution was totally shitty. Whatever happened to the new songs? Queen is such a big name, they could have used it to promote the project. Their will to support a charity event does not seem to be too big. I'm sorry for those who already spent their money, but I also do hope that it was a lesson for those. I also don't think that after "Queen's" last performances I would ever feel the need to go and see them, since last time it was boring as hell. And therefore I find it natural that only 600 people wanted to see them. They are third-level-artists themselves today, if you want to call them artists at all. They are probably afraid they aren't headliners any more if they invite top-acts. Brian always proudly talks about his great relationships with the Foos, Chili Peppers and so on, but where are they when it comes to those events? They would make "Queen", as they are today, with their fucking 25 guest musicians look like the children's afternoon programme. |
QueenSite 05.08.2004 11:22 |
I hope I'll never see Queen playing with the Chili Peppers, their singer has definitely no voice, but I admit Flea is great at bass, even if not right for Queen tracks (don't count the awful Ruined remix of WWRY) |
Hank H. 05.08.2004 11:37 |
I don't want them to play with Bri and Rog, but I'd love to see them appear at the same events. But Chili Peppers (or any other major band) would never play something like Benidorm, and Queen would never be able to play at a big festival, maybe only at some nostalgic grandaddy-crap like 50 years of rock'n roll And I prefer the ruined-remix (though it is awful) over any of Brian's retakes of that song. Musically as well as occasion-wise (is that an English word?). |
Pim Derks 07.08.2004 13:39 |
quote from Brian's website: "but there's no use whining about it." Ofcourse there's no use whining about it if you have 50 or 60 million pounds, like Brian has. I'm sure YourValentine and other people who booked flights, arranged tickets etc. have a SLIGHTLY smaller income than BM..... |
Hank H. 07.08.2004 15:08 |
He's right, there is no use. But there is a reason. I also wonder what "great success" he is talking about that the first 46664 was. They "promoted" it as the biggest event ever, compared it with Live Aid... finally I think it was a total dud. He is unable to show the slightest bit of self-criticism, or at least to accept the reality instead of trying to turn it into what makes him look infallible. |
The Real Wizard 08.08.2004 00:50 |
Hank H. wrote: He is unable to show the slightest bit of self-criticism, or at least to accept the reality instead of trying to turn it into what makes him look infallible.Completely untrue. Brian is one of the most self-critical and humble people I've ever seen in my life. |
Gunpowder Gelatine 08.08.2004 01:27 |
I think Brian's right. Yes, it's unfortunate, especially for people that bought tickets, and yes, it's a disappointment. But there's nothing to do except wait and see if anything can be done. |
YourValentine 08.08.2004 04:31 |
After the fiasco of the cancelled Benidorm show Brian May does not want to hear any further complaints from disappointed fans. He tells us that there is no use "whining" about it and we all have to move on. Well, we ARE moving on. Maybe not the way Brian thinks we should: still thinking it's worth to book a concert that has "Queen" or "Brian May" on it. We are all going to Benidorm because we paid for the trip and we cannot afford to just stay at home and blame somebody else. It was our choice to book he trip, Brian did not tell us to do it and it's not his fault although some of us booked only after his message from July 20th: "Well, the news is good about Benidorm, I hear .... things seem to be getting sorted out, and I am reliably informed it looks like we are going ahead IN BENIDORM." Two weeks later the concert was cancelled. It was sure a bit naive to ask for this small gig in Benidorm for ticket holders but it only shows that fans still had a high opinion of their hero. It's the "I think about it" followed by "oh no, it's impossible" that caused even more frustration in the fan group with 46664 tickets. Now they talk about their disappointment on the internet and Brian May can ignore them. They will definitely ignore his "don't let's have any talk of "losing faith in a Queen show"". If he had deliberately set out to alienate his most faithful fans, he could not have done better than with yesterday's soap box message. We are not "incovenienced" and we are not whining - and we will sure not let Brian May tell us what we can say and what we can't. |
deleted user 08.08.2004 06:41 |
Barbara, you said it all, and your words are mine. These days, I'm trying to calm down; after that, I will finally mail my thoughts to Brian. I think we are entitled to give opinions the same way he does, everyday, on his soap box. I just can say that he's disappointing me and many other fans, day by day, and I can't see an end to all that; I'm very sad about it, but that's. cheers. |
QueenSite 08.08.2004 07:17 |
I can perfectly understand you're angry, but keep in mind that the event organization was not in Queen/Jim hands, so I'm sure they are worried about it as you are. Nevertheless, I have to say that this "oh calm down kids" attitude by Brian is not very nice. I must say that lately he's showing some disrespect towards fans..just think about the threads on the soapbox last months about he being pissed off fans taking pix and asking autographs. About the 46664 show anyway I must say he didn't give it toomuch attention in the last couples of weeks, concentrating on the fu**ing musical and posting pix of youngsters and cover musicians we don't care about. Maybe the show cancellation was in the air? When did they rehearse for it, if they ever did? Just curious |
YourValentine 08.08.2004 08:50 |
"Joining the 46664 Latino Producer, Luis Alvarez, at the press conference were Vicente Pérez Devesa (Mayor of Benidorm), Luis Cobos (President of the Spanish Musicians Association) and Jim Beach (Director of 46664 Concerts and Manager of Queen)." from link about the press conference June 15th where Nelson Mandela announced the Benidorm concert. I am not sure what "Director of 46664 concerts" means but quite obviously the Queen management was involved in the event and it was not just Brian and Roger agreeing to perform there. |
Maz 08.08.2004 12:23 |
QueenSite wrote: I can perfectly understand you're angry, but keep in mind that the event organization was not in Queen/Jim hands,But that is certainly not the impression that they gave the fans. There was no indication that Queen/Jim were not involved in a similar capacity as they were in South Africa. For Brian to say that we were just going to play is a bit hard to believe. Also, it's a bit much to think that people are "whining" over this cancellation, as Brian alludes to. If I had spent as much money and made the same arrangements as YV or Hangman, then told I was whining when the show was cancelled, I would be very angry. |
Adam Baboolal 08.08.2004 20:19 |
The Life and Times of Zeni wrote:Wow. You read a lot into Brian's note, didn't you? It must have been pointed directly at you, YV and Hangman, huh. :)QueenSite wrote: I can perfectly understand you're angry, but keep in mind that the event organization was not in Queen/Jim hands,But that is certainly not the impression that they gave the fans. There was no indication that Queen/Jim were not involved in a similar capacity as they were in South Africa. For Brian to say that we were just going to play is a bit hard to believe. Also, it's a bit much to think that people are "whining" over this cancellation, as Brian alludes to. If I had spent as much money and made the same arrangements as YV or Hangman, then told I was whining when the show was cancelled, I would be very angry. I find your post a bit odd, Zeni. Especially the bit where you expected Brian, etc. to be in charge of the event! How could he have been in charge of the latino acts? I never had the impression that they were in charge. It always sounded like they were guests to me. Maybe you picked up on something different? Peace, Adam. |
Maz 08.08.2004 21:55 |
Adam Baboolal wrote: I find your post a bit odd, Zeni. Especially the bit where you expected Brian, etc. to be in charge of the event! How could he have been in charge of the latino acts?What I said was that there was no indication that Queen/Jim were not involved in a similar capacity as they were in South Africa. I did not expect him to be in charge of the event as you think I may have, nor did I say that he was. Based on several comments on the Soapbox, including the warning of potential problems in Benidorm on July 16 and the July 20 message that things were ok, it would appear that Brian had some knowledge of what was going on during the planning stage. Now, according to his Aug 7 message, Queen only agreed to "join in and simply play." Based on the previous 46664 concert (and Brian's repeated statements that Queen is committed to Mr. Mandela's cause), the fact that Jim was listed as "Director of 46664 Concerts and Manager of Queen," and Brian's own comments on the Soapbox about Benidorm, it is not surprising that fans like myself expected that Queen was more involved in the Benidorm show than Brian now claims. The fact that you, Adam, thought they were only guests surprises me, quite frankly. |
Saint Jiub 08.08.2004 22:14 |
I bet Adam also was going to Benidorm and paid a kings ransom to attend, but as he is a TRUE Queen fan, he wrote it off as a loss and took it like a man. I bet there would be a lot less whining if the Queen machine offered to offset some of the losses for the considerably less than 600 Queen fans that have been monetarily inconvenienced. |
Adam Baboolal 09.08.2004 08:02 |
I can't believe that going to Benidorm is a loss. Just enjoy what's there. Peace, Adam. |
YourValentine 09.08.2004 08:16 |
"I can't believe that going to Benidorm is a loss. Just enjoy what's there" I can only assume that you have no idea what you are talking about. Benidorm is by far the ugliest place on the whole Costa Blanca. Also, none of us has children, so we would not spend a holiday there in August, the most expensive season and the most crowded. But then, you just want to annoy people like in most of your messages. We should just ignore you. peace YV |
deleted user 09.08.2004 08:22 |
"I can't believe that going to Benidorm is a loss. Just enjoy what's there." This sentence is just a loss of respect for all those who put a lot of energies, moneys and hopes into the organizationo of such an event. No one of us planned their holidays in Spain before, no one needed it; luckily, we are gonna spend some great time with other friends and fans there. If "people" stopped to provoke and annoy on an internet forum and tried to set up something similiar, "they" would be less sarcastic about it and maybe they would understand the frustration of loyal fans and the sadness of people joked by an amateur organization. And yes, 2 replies to that shit are more than enough. cheers |
Mr. Scully 09.08.2004 08:28 |
For what I paid for 1 week in Benidorm, I could have had all-inclusive 2 weeks in 5* hotel in Egypt. And I have to travel to Germany to get a flight to Alicante which is pretty annoying too. |
QueenSite 09.08.2004 10:41 |
We perfectly understand you, and we have respect. Me too in 1998 paid tickets and reserved hotels /trains for Brian's show in Lyon and Modena. When I arrived to Lyon, a fan told me that the concert was cancelled. I travelled miles for nothing, and, moreover, also Modena gig was cancelled, and I had already bought train tickets to get there. So I knopw how you feel, I'm with you |
Adam Baboolal 09.08.2004 12:48 |
Sorry. I didn't mean to be sarcy and cause a ruckus. But, if you're stuck with it, why not try and make the best of it? Didn't mean any offence. Peace, Adam. |
YourValentine 09.08.2004 14:36 |
Why were Lyon and Modena cancelled, Alex? |
Pim Derks 09.08.2004 14:39 |
I think Brian had problems with his throat. |
QueenSite 09.08.2004 17:41 |
Brian had throat problems and lost his voice. News spread among fans in early afternnon while queing in front of the gates and was confirmed shortly after. Money for train, taxy, hotel..all wasted. Worse thing was that I had a "meet and greet" with Brian arranged after the Lyon gig, so it was a total disaster, but his reasons were genuine so I had to understand. |
Mr. Scully 10.08.2004 02:45 |
Yes, in 1998 nobody could blame Brian for not playing. After all, there were more gigs following so although it meant spending much more than previously planned, at least you could still see him (and travelling from Italy to Austria or German is not THAT painful :-) |