| Flashman 29.06.2004 16:07 |
Recently at the annual ball down at the Reform Club, I remarked that something or other was 'about as much use as a Paki at a piss-up' which went down a storm except with one wet lettuce who branded me a racist. Naturally, I damned his eyes and said he was 'tighter than a Scotsman at a funeral', which for some reason he didn't seem to mind so much. It seems you can laugh at certain folk but not at others, which is a barmy notion in my book.* I don't consider myself racist. On the contrary, I hate every bastard. On a brighter note, me and a couple of mates cornered Laughing Boy at the end of the night and made him eat one of Fat Barry's socks, which I reckon ought to learn him. . *- 'Barmy Notions' by Flashman £16.99 in all good bookstores. |
| agneepath! 11994 29.06.2004 16:54 |
why don't you ask a Pakistani if he would find it racist? |
| Catgoddess 29.06.2004 17:22 |
Sounds like a sound plan to me. |
| the oppositionist 29.06.2004 18:08 |
It would be very much so if you lived in Bradford England, which is wall to wall Asians. In fact, you would be in the minority and have the crap kicked out of ya! |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 29.06.2004 18:30 |
Not racist at all old boy but I think your overuse of the word 'sambo' did grate a little with some of the foreign dignitaries. |
| SergeantPepperDG 29.06.2004 18:49 |
I made a racist remark once without knowing it at the time (thankfully, only my family heard). I was about 4 years old and we were at a Chinese restaurant, and there was a really big Buddha statue which I was enthralled with. So, I shouted out, "Look! He has big boobies!" Also, when I was in Kindergarten, a boy told me he didn't like Jewish people, and I came home in tears. He's my friend now, but I still hold a grudge. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 29.06.2004 18:53 |
Pardon me but since when did noticing 'big boobies' become racist? If that were the case call me Bernard Manning! Also did your little friend have a small 'tasche and copy of Mein Kampf under their arm? |
| Brandon 29.06.2004 23:32 |
I dunno. The boobies thing is definately not racist. I suppose only you can tell whether or not you're racist. I tend to fall on the side that nothing is above mockery, even the all-mighty race-line. And yes, there are double-standards when dealing with race; Just watch some black comedian's sets or listen to rap. |
| agneepath! 11994 30.06.2004 02:53 |
o.k.... speaking as a Pakistani i would find the term "Paki" offensive, much in the same way that a black person would find nigger offensive. BUT i would consider things carefully before calling anyone racist. What I'm trying to say is one joke does not make a person racist... but you have to be sensitive about these things. Oh and by the way... a Pakistani would be very useful at a piss-up... to drive the rest of you guys home! |
| Flashman 30.06.2004 03:04 |
I stand corrected Agneepath, and I meant no offence to you or your kin. However, I've always found Indian folk a lot friendlier than you lot, y'know. What do you do instead of supping booze? I can't get my head around it. Go on, have a drink! It will do you the power of good and make the opposite sex much more attractive. Wait for Flashy though, I'll come and have one with you. |
| agneepath! 11994 30.06.2004 03:16 |
no worries... i took no offence. The world would be a nicer place if people had the ability to laugh at themselves. The drink thing is a barrier between our "cultures" and will remain a barrier. i avoid pubs - simply because i don't like pub culture - but i often go out with my English friends to resturants where drinks are served - i usually stick to Coke (or mango juice) besides I'm sure we have more similarities than differences (we both have great taste in Music!) |
| Bob The Shrek 30.06.2004 06:19 |
I wonder how and when 'Paki' became offensive. If you think about it, calling a Pakistani a Paki is no different to an American calling me a Brit - it's just an abreviation of the nationality. Somewhere along the line someone has injected venom into the word and made it racist. |
| agneepath! 11994 30.06.2004 06:50 |
historically speaking the term "Paki" is no where near as offensive as "nigger" but it is associated with extreme right wing / racist groups such as the National Front. i do agree to an extent an earlier point about double standards in racial issues.. but i dont think telling a racist joke about the Scots is the same as a racist joke. why? Scots do not suffer the same amount of discriniation as other minorities in this country. But i despise many P.C. issues esp. when it concerns National Identity / Union Jack / St. George etc We should be proud of being British / english and i do believe as a country we need to reclaim our flag from the racists like National Front / BNP |
| DudleyFufkin 30.06.2004 12:31 |
Well I dont think its racist cos people from pakistan are pakkis, but if you called an indian a pakki, thats generalising the race as a pakki, plus indians hate pakis, so that would probably wind them up, but I could get sacked in work for calling someone a pakki. |
| Banquo 30.06.2004 12:44 |
I agree with the above but one comment it was great to see so many St George's flags on cars throughout Euro 2004 (shame Beckham and his cronies cocked it up). I remember Morrisey was fond of waving the Union Flag at concerts in the early 90's and got absolutely pasted for it waving a symbol of the far-right and all that. It seems after the Golden Jubilee, winning the Rugby World cup we can claim back the flags from the bastards who claim to be British. As for calling someone a Paki as apposed to calling someone a Brit when they are both just abbreviations 'Paki' is an unaccepted derogatory remark used for decades and seems to apply to anyone from asian descent, you can't differenciate between Indian, Bangledeshi and Pakistani people by sight (at least I can't) so its used to describe them all. I still think people shouldn't be frightened of words but its al about self-censorship and noticing what company you are in. Spoken like a true civil servant;) |
| SergeantPepperDG 30.06.2004 17:13 |
Brandon wrote: I dunno. The boobies thing is definately not racist. I suppose only you can tell whether or not you're racist. I tend to fall on the side that nothing is above mockery, even the all-mighty race-line. And yes, there are double-standards when dealing with race; Just watch some black comedian's sets or listen to rap.I'm so paranoid about sounding the slightest bit racist. I can't stand it when little kids pull their eyes back and say, "Look! I'm Chinese!" When I say that Asians have really pretty hair, I think I'm being racist. I think the Buddha thing was racist... |
| SergeantPepperDG 30.06.2004 19:08 |
I don't know- I'm just really sensitive to racism (not just towards me). I went through this phase of being obsessed with learning about the Holocaust, and it really made me think. Also, this at the end of this past school year, we read Night in my Lit. class. When we first started, my teacher was saying how there is no way we can comprehend 6,000,000 or visualize it. However, to help us think somewhat of what 6,000,000 was, she said that imagine that what happened on September 11 happened every single day from the day we started first grade till now (seventh grade). That wouldn't even equal 6,000,000. PLUS, there's the other 6,000,000 NON Jews that were killed. It's such a massive amount, and it really horrifies me that people can be like that. And I think it's such bullshit(I'm going on a rampage now) when people say that the Holocaust didn't happen. Then, there's also the 12 million that Stalin killed and there's the Armenian Holocaust (which is often not talked about). I don't even like it when people say, "I haaaaate him," or something like that. Cause "hate" is such an overused word. I think it can only describe the feelings of these evil people who felt that they hated someone so much, they had to kill them. Okay, I think I'm done ranting and raving. Lalalalalalalalalala. |
| SusieJ 02.07.2004 13:17 |
To be honest... and I know a lot of people are not going to agree with me *but*, yes, I think that was a racist comment. You may not be a "racist" per se, and you may not beat up people because of their skin colour or cultural background, but that comment is racist. People have been mentioning how being called a "Brit" would cause no offence as it is short form for British etc, so "paki" shouldn't either. But, there is a BIG difference between being called a "brit" and a "paki". Paki connotes negative stereotypes, and people most often use that term to put down a whole race of people. Indians, Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis (etc) are often called that... and more often than not, it is in a negative manner. Speaking as a person of colour, more importantly someone who has been called "paki" for most of her life (although i was born and raised in canada, i am of indian heritage), I still can't understand why people would feel the need to use that term anymore anyway. I cringe when I hear the word Nigger or Chink... because I know how it feels to be called those things in an agressive manner. I'm sorry... but being called "Brit" or even going as far as calling someone "Limey" or "honky" doesn't have the same history. And... as for the rap comments or the comedian comments. It goes both ways. While blacks can get away with rapping or telling jokes about whites with relative freedom... there are some things that whites can do and not be looked at twice. For example, has anyone seen the cover of Morrissey's new album? He's holding a machine gun.... just imagine if a black person released an album with the same image, the up-roar it would cause. It's the stereotypes that are attached. And finally... i wonder what Freddie Mercury would have thought if you called him a "paki" (as many did when he came to england from India), or using that term in his company. Its comments like that that make minorities feel like they dont belong, and they end up trying to "fit in" to belong... as freddie did (thus, never mentioning his indian background). |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 02.07.2004 19:35 |
'And finally... i wonder what Freddie Mercury would have thought if you called him a "paki" (as many did when he came to england from India), or using that term in his company. Its comments like that that make minorities feel like they dont belong, and they end up trying to "fit in" to belong... as freddie did (thus, never mentioning his indian background).' Hogwash!!! |
| Ian R 02.07.2004 19:57 |
I'm just hoping that Sir Archie's got his tounge firmly in Flashman's cheek. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 02.07.2004 20:28 |
I'm just wishing Ian R could spell tongue. Another example of Queenzone numptiness. |
| SusieJ 06.07.2004 14:05 |
why is that "hogwash"? |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 06.07.2004 19:35 |
'why is that "hogwash"?' Where's the evidence that he was called a paki on arrival in England? |
| SusieJ 07.07.2004 12:30 |
I did read something about it a couple of times. I haven't been able to find the exact article, but here is one that relates: link I know in the "untold story", his sister talks about how freddie would deny his indian roots to "fit in" with the others. when people asked him if he was indian he denied it so that he could fit in, calling himself "persian" (which wasn't a lie per se, but it wasn't the truth --- parsis/persians have lived in india over 1000 years --- their history is persian, however, they are indian by nature and culture, as was he and his family). |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 07.07.2004 17:37 |
Sorry old bean I'm not denying Freddie tried to hide his roots but I'm sure Freddie's sister doesn't mention anything about being called a Paki. As for your link I'm sure Cliff Richard was called a Paki, I think those people were being kind compared to what most would call him (especially after his singing in the rain at Wimbledon the other year - Ed). Besides people emigrating to another country should fit in with the majority! |
| pma 07.07.2004 18:15 |
That article linked claims Harry Webb (Cliff Richard) had Indian parents. Yet his bio says his parents were British expatriates Rodger and Dorothy Webb, who'm returned to England in 1948. According to the same info he was teased for having a "supposed" Indian appearance. (he was more tanned). But how does this all make him Indian? Or is it a big lie... And yes, as pointed I'm sure he's been called far worse things than that for his wonderful singing :-P |
| Flashman 07.07.2004 18:17 |
I refuse to get drawn into an argument about Cliff Pilchard, but seeing as I'm here - you all stink. There, I've said it. |
| agneepath! 11994 07.07.2004 18:20 |
Cliff richard was born in India... if that helps this discussion. |
| SusieJ 08.07.2004 11:48 |
(a)I *never* said that in the "untold story" his sister said that he was called a paki... I said that she talked about him denying his roots. (b)I said that I couldn't find the *exact* article, but I found a relating one. It was more of a reference of celebs who are of Indian origin (Cliff being an Anglo-Indian) being called "Paki". Look, the point I'm trying to make is that Paki is an offensive term. Use it as you would like... but Paki is offensive. That’s all. As a side point... Cliff was Anglo-Indian (where his parents were Brits living in India), and Freddie was a parsi-indian (meaning... his ancestors came from Persia thousands of years ago, settled in India... however, making him essentially Indian... his parents and grandparents... etc... were all born & raised in Indian and spoke the Indian languages etc.). Lastly.... "minorities" may be the "majority" in England as a collective, but if you divide people by their origins, they aren't the "majority". I don't know why British people like to lump all the "minorities" together and make them one huge group. In that case... every country on this earth would be considered being "minority" heavy. EVERY country on this earth has seen immigration over the centuries. EVERY country has had "foreigners" come onto their lands and change the landscape. EVERY COUNTRY. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 08.07.2004 14:01 |
'I said that I couldn't find the *exact* article, but I found a relating one.' Well isn't that convenient, you should get a job as a Labour MP. I have nothing against immigration as long as they play by our rules. Unfortunately some of them don't and that's where the problem lies. |
| Brandon 08.07.2004 23:31 |
SusieJ wrote: Lastly.... "minorities" may be the "majority" in England as a collective, but if you divide people by their origins, they aren't the "majority". I don't know why British people like to lump all the "minorities" together and make them one huge group. In that case... every country on this earth would be considered being "minority" heavy. EVERY country on this earth has seen immigration over the centuries. EVERY country has had "foreigners" come onto their lands and change the landscape. EVERY COUNTRY.Even china??? Not to the extent the UK and other economically successful countries have. |
| Holly2003 09.07.2004 00:39 |
"I have nothing against immigration as long as they play by our rules. Unfortunately some of them don't and that's where the problem lies." Yes, the rule of law is what made Britain great. BTW Archie, when are you going back to Amsterdam to get some more illegal drugs and hard core porn? |
| SusieJ 09.07.2004 13:10 |
"I have nothing against immigration as long as they play by our rules. Unfortunately some of them don't and that's where the problem lies." Who made you fuckin' Queen Liz? What is that supposed to mean? What "rules"? I'm sorry, but England (and Canada, and the US) was made on the backs of immigration.... and that is what has made these countries "economically successful". Mr. Leach... what are these "rules"... please explain so I can relay them to the rest of England. Really, I dont mind. |
| Brandon 09.07.2004 13:45 |
I'm sure he means at least attempt to learn customs and the national culuture which includes language. I wouldn't go to France and expect everyone to learn English because I was there... And my point was not how strong economies are built but that people, obviously, want to get "to the top of the heap." And I suppose technically, everyone is an immigrant aside from the African natives. But we're not talking about PAST immigration are we???? |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 09.07.2004 20:34 |
'BTW Archie, when are you going back to Amsterdam to get some more illegal drugs and hard core porn?' Oh it's illegal in Amsterdam is it? That must be why the police did fuck all about stopping the thousands of people who visit each year. 'I'm sorry, but England (and Canada, and the US) was made on the backs of immigration.... and that is what has made these countries "economically successful".' I think if you bothered to check your history books you'd find that England's 'economic success' was brought about by an agricultural revolution followed by an industrial revolution in the nineteenth century and absolutely fuck all to do with immigration. It was demographic changes that caused England's economic supremacy. As for rules You don't enter the country illegally. You don't claim asylum then disappear when you're turned down. You don't hijack planes because you want to claim asylum. You don't travel through various European countries and then claim asylum once you've reached Britain. You don't run over children and then run off because you haven't got a licence, insurance or the right to stay in the country. You don't announce that suicide bombers are justified. There are hundreds more but I've had a few and will continue tomorrow or today as the case may be. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 09.07.2004 20:39 |
'"I have nothing against immigration as long as they play by our rules. Unfortunately some of them don't and that's where the problem lies." Who made you fuckin' Queen Liz?' Sorry love but Queen Liz's hands are tied by our parliament (and unwritten constitution) therefore you should be asking 'who made you Tony Blair?' |
| Holly2003 09.07.2004 21:49 |
Oooh swearing...that's means you must be dead tough. Uberwimp Norman Tebbit tried all that "Wogs begin at Calais" shit and he was laughed into obscurity. I still smile when I think about it, in fact. The amount of people you're talking about is miniscule. For example, to select just one of your Kilroy-Silk-like criminal scenarios, many more white English men run over kids than illegal asylum seekers. Many of them are as drunk as you claim to get (although eveyone knows the English drink like girls and throw up like Princess Diana after a Chicken Korma). Yet you choose to focus your anger on a bunch of miserable foreigners. Now why is that Archie? |
| Flashman 10.07.2004 06:35 |
Hundreds of thousands is not a miniscule amount of people, Holly, particularly when we're paying for their upkeep. What is their contribution to society? Preaching hatred is about as constructive as they get. Oh, and prostitution. Norman Tebbit spoke an awful lot of sense. Enoch Powell is another that history wrongly dismisses as racist, yet virtually everything he talked of has come to pass. It is not racist to simply want the best for you and your kin. It's human nature. As far as I am concerned, anyone is welcome in this country, as long as they are prepared to contribute or if they are escaping genuine danger in their homeland. But the vast majority are simply here because we have become a soft touch and a meal ticket. I wouldn't go to live in another country and show a blatant disregard for their values and way of life, whilst expecting to be fed, housed and placed above the natives in every waiting list. There is nothing overtly racist in what Archie or myself has said. We are just sick of seeing our country trodden on. By all means, come to our country - but show it a little respect if you want to make it your home. |
| agneepath! 11994 10.07.2004 07:55 |
ah Norman Tebbit's famous cricket test! (of allegiance) Why do you think he chose cricket for his "test" and not another sport? Flashman - which type of people are you referring to when you mention you don't want britain to be trodden on? (oh and i do partly sympathise with our feelings) |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 10.07.2004 18:04 |
Holly you talk a lot but say little. And assuming I'm English is a bit rich but typical of a leftie. |
| the oppositionist 10.07.2004 19:26 |
i used to think like holly but now more like archie. where i come from (bradford, england) in the 70s lots of asians moved over. basically in that 30 years, 80 percent of crimes in the area have become linked to the asian minorities. the parts in bradford where they live are badly littered, cars have no taxes and more than half of them dont try to get jobs, they just scrounge off support. Thats not my opinion, THATS PROVEN FACT. not all of them are like that of course, there is the occasional nice few, some whom have their own cornershops, some whom go to grammar school to become doctors, cos lots of asians do that. sadly though, most cant be arsed and just start riots in bradford every may bank holiday. we cant afford immegrants like them anymore. |
| agneepath! 11994 10.07.2004 19:51 |
"we cant afford immegrants like them anymore." The kids who you say are linked with crimes / riots are not immigrants - their parents may have been. they are British citizens because they were born here! Bradford is a unique situation. BUT if you travel to many towns in lets say Northamptonshire there are are massive problems amongst the youth too. These have included no go areas and the police were even forced to set up curfews after 9.00 p.m. And these are "white English kids" causing problems. Yes I'm sure Bradford has many problems - most centre around Asian minorities. But lets not kid ourselves - there are problems all over the country. |
| Saint Jiub 10.07.2004 22:46 |
I can't help but giggle over some in the UK thinking they have an illegal immigration problem. If they really want to see an illegal immigration problem ... they should come to the USA ... either legal or illegally - apparently it does not matter how one gets here. |
| SusieJ 10.07.2004 23:31 |
Ahhhh.... poor little British people. You poor, poor, poor things... are the immigrants destroying your land? Taking your jobs? And God-forbid, mix-breeding with your daughters?!?! Really, my heart goes out to you. It's scary isn't it? One day they might just take over your country. Imagine if Diana didn't get killed/murdered and actually married Dodi... or, better yet, married that "paki" doctor she was said to have been dating. THE HORROR! First of all, your country is shit, and always has been, and always will be... never mind the immigrants coming and causing trouble. My parents left the UK for Canada in 1966 because it was one big toilet... and they lived in an area of the UK where there were next to no asians!! You know what? If you brits spent a little less time inside the pub, then you might just see things a bit clearer. Do white people/brits not commit crimes? Do they not cause riots? Do they not feed off of welfare? Fuck yeah. Just spend one Friday night in central London, and you can see how fucked up "real" Brits are. And yes, I have lived in England as well... I know what the "real" brits are like. Mr. Leach... you sound like a suckie little baby. Too bad for you. |
| agneepath! 11994 11.07.2004 06:33 |
"First of all, your country is shit" although I'm on susie's side of the argument here BUt i believe that England is the greatest country in the world. And I'm pleased i was born here! |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 11.07.2004 18:38 |
SusieJ is it your time of the month or what? Take some Evening Primrose Oil love it'll do wonders for your temper and possibly your grammar. |
| the oppositionist 11.07.2004 18:57 |
Ahhhh.... poor little British people. You poor, poor, poor things... are the immigrants destroying your land? Taking your jobs? And God-forbid, mix-breeding with your daughters?!?! Really, my heart goes out to you. It's scary isn't it? One day they might just take over your country. Imagine if Diana didn't get killed/murdered and actually married Dodi... or, better yet, married that "paki" doctor she was said to have been dating. THE HORROR! "First of all, your country is shit, and always has been, and always will be... never mind the immigrants coming and causing trouble. My parents left the UK for Canada in 1966 because it was one big toilet... and they lived in an area of the UK where there were next to no asians!! You know what? If you brits spent a little less time inside the pub, then you might just see things a bit clearer. Do white people/brits not commit crimes? Do they not cause riots? Do they not feed off of welfare? Fuck yeah. Just spend one Friday night in central London, and you can see how fucked up "real" Brits are." WHOA WHOA WHOA SUSIE J! First of all, yes i agree, that bradford is unique but sadly this problem is getting worse. Secondly, i didnt say white people dont commit crimes, im just saying because asians etc are so segregated by everyone else, they find themselves poorer and are therefore more likely to turn to crime. Im a real Brit. IM PROUD OF IT. our country has a history and future that i am and will be proud to be linked to. I dont spend ages in the pub, even though most have nice welcoming atmospheres and alcohol...hmmmm... And i am not racist. like i said, lots of foreigners get fantastic jobs (and there are plenty going!) and they do england proud. Thus far i dont think its flashy who should be worried about sounding racist... i think theres a new contender... |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 11.07.2004 19:00 |
As for you Bullwinkle have you seen the size of the US compared to Britain??? 60 odd million on a tiny island. It's starting to sink down south for fucks sake! Fatty is gonna need to eat a whole lot more to balance it out. |
| Holly2003 11.07.2004 20:48 |
"Hundreds of thousands is not a miniscule amount of people, Holly, particularly when we're paying for their upkeep. What is their contribution to society? Preaching hatred is about as constructive as they get. Oh, and prostitution." Are you seriously suggesting that 100s of thousands of illegal immigrants are hijacking planes, running over kids, preaching hatred and acting as prostitutes? (BTW, you didn't seem to mind the prostitution problem when you were boasting about your trip to Amsterdam. Or is that "different"...) "Norman Tebbit spoke an awful lot of sense. Enoch Powell is another that history wrongly dismisses as racist, yet virtually everything he talked of has come to pass." Add Oswald Mosley and Gary Bushel to those two and you have the Four Arseholes of the Apocalypse. Powell made a hate speech - nothing more or less. He was inciting racial hatred. Norman Tebbit was a small minded troll who was laughed out of the debate for his infamous "cricket test." It still brings warmth to my heart how the Tories of that era spectacularly self-destructed (Leon "kickbacks" Brittan, Cecil "hard-on" Parkinson, John "Edwina" Major, Edwina "salmonella" Currie, Jeffrey "HerMajestysPrisoner" Archer etc) "It is not racist to simply want the best for you and your kin. It's human nature." Human nature can be racist, tribal, greedy, and violent. But don't hide behind "nature" when blaming immigrants for all Britain's crime problems. Nature also gave you a brain. Probably. "There is nothing overtly racist in what Archie or myself has said. We are just sick of seeing our country trodden on." Apart from your question about "Pakis"? Did you forget how this thread started chum? If "your" country was being ruined or "trodden on" by 100s of thousands" of illegal immigrants committing crimes like hijacking and murder I think the rest of us might have heard of it by now. So are you going to dig yourself out of a hole by admitting that SOME illegals commit such crimes, but then again so do many Brits, or are you going to provide some proof to support these rants? I'l be happy to admit I'm wrong if you can do that. Archie, you have said much more about this subject than I have and I doubt everyone is exactly waiting impatiently for the next pearls of wisdom from your lips. If you want to bail out of the discussion and throw insults then fair enough - I don't usually expect much from Queenzoners in that area. I'll just take the piss instead. Susie, you're of Indian descent aren't you? Doesn't India have a caste system much worse than virtually anything you could dig up about the British? I'm not going to defend the British Empire but didn't the Brits try to stop such barbaric Indian "traditions" as burning a wife at the stake whenever her husband died? I've never met a Canadian I didn't like, BTW. You only have to walk around Flanders in Belgium to see how much respect Canada deserves. |
| iGSM 11.07.2004 22:34 |
I don't consider myself racist but I know that I think to myself 'that black bastard'..concerning the Aboriginal crimes that are committed in Australia. I don't openly talk to other people about racism or about ethnic anything. I don't like Asian food but love Italian food. Also I moved over to my cousins place 2 weeks ago. Some of the things he has called Asians/Greeks/Italians/Indian (and what have you) is quite deplorable. But I guess that's the trend now days, see who can come up with the most creative name for foreigners. |
| Saint Jiub 11.07.2004 23:17 |
Illegal aliens are just a barrel of laughs in the USA ... link |
| Saint Jiub 11.07.2004 23:53 |
Over 8 million illegal aliens in the USA: link I am still giggling at a few hundred thousand in the UK ... |
| Flashman 12.07.2004 02:43 |
Typical damned lefties, you are getting all hysterical and taking things completely out of context. Why form a constructive retort when simple name calling will do? My point is: you don't put out a fire by chucking on more logs. You'll see I'm right in the long run. As usual. |
| Bob The Shrek 12.07.2004 14:25 |
SusieJ, if you email me your home address, I will send you $50 to buy a hammer and chisel - you can then get rid of that massive chip on your shoulder. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 12.07.2004 18:10 |
Holly2003 I lost interest in this topic as soon as you started spouting on about Princess Diana and chicken kormas. I'm assuming from your profile that you're from Northern Ireland which I wouldn't have thought has much of an immigrant problem. However where I live they have recently recovered the twenty second body of an illegal immigrant who drowned back in February. As you're such a fan of immigration it must be great to see the system working so well. As for 'all wogs come from Calais', didn't the government get the Sangatte camp closed because that's where all the economic migrants came from? You just keep dreaming of your little leftie utopia, I'm sure you'll be very happy with Robin Cook, John Prescott and chortle...Claire Short. |
| Holly2003 12.07.2004 18:20 |
"they have recently recovered the twenty second body of an illegal immigrant who drowned back in February. As you're such a fan of immigration it must be great to see the system working so well" It's both amusing and pathetic that you cannot tell the difference between legal and illegal immigration. That explains, to a certain extent, why you talk such absolute bollocks. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 12.07.2004 18:42 |
Granted an error. Doesn't change the fact they shouldn't be here for a job they're not trained to do. But I'm sure you'll tell me why they should or will you just regurgitate everything that has been said as you usually do. |
| Holly2003 12.07.2004 19:29 |
When you stop blustering and decide instead to respond to what I've said previously THEN you'll be in a position to demand answers or explanations from me, and not before. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 12.07.2004 19:53 |
You've said nothing thats the whole point. I'll stop blustering when you stop regurgitating. |
| Holly2003 12.07.2004 21:07 |
I doubt you even know what "regurgitate" means. It's nice of you to admit to blustering though. That's the first honest and factual thing you've said. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 14.07.2004 14:56 |
Mmm I don't know what regurgitate means eh? Coming from an oik that can't read. Well I can spot a knobjockey at 10 paces and boy have I found one. And that's a fact. |
| Holly2003 14.07.2004 18:02 |
Are you still a member of British National Party Archie, or were you thrown out for goose stepping through the flower beds? |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 14.07.2004 18:19 |
You really are a tedious little scruff aren't you. |
| Holly2003 14.07.2004 23:29 |
Answer the question Herr Archie... |
| the oppositionist 15.07.2004 18:35 |
ouch guys! thats enough of that! look id be all for immegration of all kinds if only there was a way of doing that fairly. problem is it costs england thousands a year in council money to put up illegal immegrants, and legal ones at that- who dont bother getting a job so just take council houses and live off the dole. Im dammed proud of england, i am a 19yr old student who, for some odd reason, is paying tax. i dont want to see scroungers of any kind (i hate english scroungers too) THAT DOESNT MAKE ME A NAZI. please dont go suggesting people are nazis ok? thats just well out of line and very nasty. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 16.07.2004 20:23 |
As the BNP have shot themselves in the foot as it were, do you really think I'd belong to that bunch of oiks? Bunch of ex-miners if ever I saw one. |
| deleted user 16.07.2004 20:51 |
We have had this dance before. The one thing you must realize, is that Holly is always right. You will never persuade her thinking. There is no chance to do so with one who has a mind shut as tight as a bear trap. The fact is that immigration is hurting countries. It brings the crime rate up, and the standards of living down in certian areas like inner cities and the slumier parts of towns. It's nothing to be proven to me. I know it as fact. While we have 8 million here in the US and probably more, the naturals here are losing jobs quicker than Flashman hits on a hot chick. And that is a fact. why is it that MacDonalds has to have menues in both spanish and english in what used to be a town of people who spoke english in the first place. Why does the unemployment rate soar to 10% in Michigan while more and more jobs are taken by immigrants. i just answerd my own question. There is more of an oppotunity for other races, than there is a person who is not of color (Mexican, Black, Asian...). I don't think that is fair. Here you have to be bilingual to find a halfway decent job. What the hell for? You come here, and you know how to communicate, or don't come. I'm not going to wipe your ass for you. There ar etoo many flooding in from every where. It's time the 'sorry we're closed' sign goes on the Statue of Liberty. |
| iGSM 17.07.2004 08:48 |
I sort of agree with that. Shape up, or ship out. Unless you happened to come by dinghy. I used to goose-step. But it took too long to get up stairs so I stopped. |
| -fatty- 2850 17.07.2004 09:02 |
Goodness me, I go on holiday for a fortnight and when I come back the Far Right have taken over. For what it's worth and I can't speak for the whole country, I live in Leith which has a fairly large asian community. On the whole they are hard working and pleasant enough folks. The people who break into cars, houses etc and queue up at the bank of free money are all white. Many of them are Rangers fans. Union Jack wearing troglodites with chins like wash hand basins. So I will reserve my judgement on those pesky brown folks until the white cunts stop making my life a living hell. |
| SusieJ 23.07.2004 14:45 |
hmmmm.... i could have swore there was a 4th page to this topic... and has magically disappeared. funny. BTW... Fatty... I think I'm falling in love with you. |