| -fatty- 2850 19.06.2004 18:32 |
Another American gets his head lopped off by those nasty brown men and still no tears. No web sites offering condolences and heartfelt sympathy. Shouldn't we be fuelling up the jets for the bombing? C'mon folks, where's the outrage? Please don't tell me it's because we didn't get to see this one in widescreen format with a directors commentary and deleted scenes. I suppose a few grainy photos on a web site just isn't enough to get the righteous indignation flowing. fatty. |
| Flashman 19.06.2004 18:34 |
Seen one decapitation, seen 'em all - that's their trouble. |
| FairyQueen 19.06.2004 18:41 |
Well...people are too scared to speak up because maybe in their country where fundamentalism rules..they will be killed...but usually the media doesn't give a shit when an American gets their head cut off.....but when terrorists are interrogated..they're outraged and want an apology...but they don't want an apology from a slime ball ass-face(that's why they cover up their faces) who has a fetish from cutting off people's heads...but thankfully those terrorists who killed Paul are now dead thanks to the Saudies..it's about time...their kingdom is under threat..and they don't mind killing terrorists...these terrorists are wackos.. |
| Janet 19.06.2004 20:38 |
I've cried my tears privately. |
| Lisser 19.06.2004 21:01 |
i am with Janet and Barry. |
| deleted user 19.06.2004 21:25 |
fatty, since my computer died, i lost all my info please send me yer e-mail address. |
| dragonzflame 19.06.2004 22:08 |
So because I didn't cry I'm not a decent human being? |
| iGSM 20.06.2004 01:23 |
Apparently so. Make that two non-human beings. |
| Whisperer 20.06.2004 06:07 |
Barry_uk wrote: "I've cried my tears privately." I think most decent human beings have.I'm not a decent human being. Now I know. Thanks! Actually, I'm not a human being at all, because I thought that 9/11 was simply a hell of a show. No tears back then either. |
| Lisser 20.06.2004 09:03 |
Whisperer, that is a horrible thing to say about 9/11. |
| fatty fan 20.06.2004 09:08 |
Government Fat Cats couldn't give a sh*t anyway! as long as they are OK then as far as they are concerned it doesnt matter. People are out there fighting and doing the dammned best they can and the government just sit there and talk-why dont they go and pick up arms and fight for what they believe in rather than just hiding behind other people. Or maybe they don't believe in it themselves, they are just trying to get themselves down in history-they will, but for the wrong reasons. FF |
| Whisperer 20.06.2004 11:44 |
It certainly is, Lisser, but that is how I feel. I'm not hypocritical. As longs as there are no people I care for involved, I don't give a shit about what happens. Of course I could lie like many other people and say that the death of that Paul guy for example ruined my entire weekend, but I won't. |
| Bob The Shrek 20.06.2004 12:01 |
He knew the risks of working in Saudi, the US State Department advised their citizens to leave. He made his choice - and lost. Although I don't condone what happened to him, neither will I cry for him. |
| Maz 20.06.2004 13:14 |
Whisperer wrote: As longs as there are no people I care for involved, I don't give a shit about what happens.And they say that altruism is dead. There is a world outside your window; you might want to take a look sometime. |
| ~Silje~ 20.06.2004 13:27 |
Look, we see these things every day. If I was to take everything to my heart, I wouldn't be able to live on. In today's society it's just instinctive to shut out most of what happens, because we want to keep our sanity. Just like Whisperer, I'm not going to be any hypocrite. Yes, it's horrible that Paul from America got his head cut off. Also, it's horrible that so many children starve, that so many young women are raped, that so many humanbeings are killed, that so many millions suffer, that the Twin Towers collapsed, that there is a war in Iraq, that people died there and people died there and people were tortured and - come on, everything is horrible today! I read about Paul, I thought it was horrible, then I forgot about it. That's how it is. A woman died in Norway in a town I visit every summer. I thought it was horrible, then I went out and had fun. A 16 year old boy drowned in the river outside my family cottage some days ago. Horrible, too, but I haven't shed a tear. Give it a break, don't jump on everyone who just can't have their lives ruined because of everything that happens in this fucked up world. Most humans are like me, they think "it's horrible" they talk it over with someone they know and say "yeah, it's terrible" - but behind their words they're still more upset over something their S/O said yesterday which hurt them. That's how humans are today, and they can be no other way without going under. |
| Maz 20.06.2004 13:39 |
~Silje~ wrote: Give it a break, don't jump on everyone who just can't have their lives ruined because of everything that happens in this fucked up world.What people are suggeting is that we cannot become so complacent over events that surround us that we ignore them entirely and bury our heads in the sand. I certainly have not ruined my life over what happen the other day, nor did September 11 dictate that my life cannot go on. But I do have some degree of respect for others and their families that I refuse to call the deaths of 3000 people a "good show." |
| Whisperer 20.06.2004 15:45 |
Good text, Silje. Well, that's what the media made, a huge show. What would you call all those live transfers and doezens of slow motion replays from different angles? The whole thing was like a huge action movie. Yes, it was real and people suffer, but so do thousands of other people around the world EVERY DAY. They don't get 3 minutes of silence on the next day after their death. |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 20.06.2004 16:24 |
here here |
| Maz 20.06.2004 16:37 |
So, the fact that their deaths were conviently recorded by the news media and replayed in slow motion is cause to diminish their impact? I do not enjoy seeing people die or suffer, regardless of nationality or beliefs. When we ignore others and become so enured to violence and suffering, we begin to lose a bit of our own humanity. Calling the deaths of 3000 people, regardless of the situation or manner of their demise, a "good show" is crude and callous. |
| Flashman 20.06.2004 18:00 |
There's nobody whose skin I value greater than my own, but even I despair at some of your comments. By God, did our ancestors live through such desperate times for the next generation to become so spineless? Your blasé attitudes to the death of an innocent may well be understandable, but they are also unforgivable. Your shame is still outweighed by the bravery and valour of people who have fought for your very being here to dismiss them off-hand as if they did not matter. Mind you, I'm also a hypocrite. I'd love to be able to do something about it, but I just can't be arsed. Sue me. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 20.06.2004 18:36 |
Are we referring to me here? If we are, I am making my Nick Berg site into a Nick Berg/Paul Johnson site as soon as I get on the computer I have the site stored on... Does anyone have any info on Mr. Johnson? I plan to get started as soon as I switch over to my work computer tomorrow. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 20.06.2004 18:39 |
Bob the Shrek - let's say, working to put myself through college, I accept a job in a risky part of Philadelphia. Coming home one day, I am brutally murdered. I'm glad to know that you'll not give a shit because I "knew the risks". Trying to make a living doesn't equal jumping out of a plane into the ocean... "He shouldn't have been there"? No, terrorists shouldn't have been there. They shouldn't be ANYWHERE. |
| -fatty- 2850 20.06.2004 19:19 |
First of all can I just apologise for the venom in my initial post. I'd had a couple of shandies and jumped in with the old size tens again. I could go back and edit the post but it might be taken the wrong way. I'm not having a pop at you FGT. I can't see the point of what your doing or what it is supposed to acheive but it's a free country (until Fairyqueen becomes president at least) and you can do whatever you like. It just saddens me when the deaths of two Americans are considered far more horrific or newsworthy than the countless thousands of innocent Iraqis who have died. The whole thing stinks of racism. I am not saying that the lives of Nick and Paul were less important and I sympathise with their families but this new trend of enforced greif is starting to get on my tits. I am not anti-American and I would hate to think that people felt I was just taking another cheap dig at the states but the fact of the matter is, your country is run by a homicidal madman. A shit kicking bully who wants to go down in the history books as the guy who defeated world terrorism. He hasn't a snowballs chance in hell and if he gets re-elected in November neither will America. fatty. |
| Janet 20.06.2004 20:01 |
Just because I am saddened by the death of either Nick, or Paul, does NOT mean that I don't also feel bad about ALL the innocent life lost because of this war. I don't think its fair to assume that if I am saddened about one, that I am indifferent to the other. |
| ~Silje~ 20.06.2004 20:41 |
I just want to point out that I do show respect for everyone who died and everyone who suffered - it just doesn't make any huge impact on me anymore (if it ever did). I don't cry over them or let it affect my everyday life, and I don't go about to make internet pages for them or even sign the already existing ones. I mostly just shrug and think "awful" while I eat my breakfast and watch the morning news. My point was just that most people are hypocrites, yet when someone dare say "I really didn't cry over this Paul", that's so outrageous. To say that Twin Towers was a great show doesn't show respect, I agree. What I disagree with was what I thought was the original point of this thread - namely why no one makes pages or cries over Paul, and then the responds about how any decent humanbeing probably cried. I see myself as a decent humanbeing regardless of whether I shed some tears over a beheaded man from the USA. It's a pity, it's another horrible event, it's awful for the family, etc, etc, but I didn't cry and I didn't even get very sentimental. |
| dragonzflame 20.06.2004 22:01 |
Once again fatty, you've said it all. It's tempting to copy and paste your intellectual property but I won't. I realise that particularly all you Americans out there are having a tough time with this terrorism thing - I don't think any of us outside of the States can quite comprehend how much it's affected the sensibilities of the population. And while I think that it's disgusting that the Iraqis are out there decapitating American civilians I have to say that I'd be surprised if any of you showed all this Mediterranean-style breast-beating grief if, say, it was a New Zealander that got killed. Yes, it has happened. And let's face it, these men are dead and gone. It's not going to worry them one way or another. "But their families..." What about the Iraqis who lose entire families to the war, not just single members? What about the Iraqis in the famous prison photos who are going to have to live with those memories of what happened for the rest of their lives? Maybe seeing 11/9 as a big show is a bit callous but I honestly think that's what it's turned into. As soon as there's an outpouring of anti-war sentiment on goes the WTC footage and suddenly it's ok again, we must avenge it. We can't go making ourselves crazy over what we can't control, the best you can do is make sure you don't vote for Bush. Then again, that's no guarantee that he won't get in again is it. |
| Lisser 20.06.2004 23:32 |
I agree with Zeni. My life has not stopped bc an American or any other human from another country has lost their life in the war, car accident, or whatever other horrible event has taken place to take someone's life. But I do stop for however long I feel like, think about it, keep their family in my thoughts, and wish it didn't happen to them. |
| Flashman 21.06.2004 03:41 |
fatty wrote: A shit kicking bully who wants to go down in the history books as the guy who defeated world terrorism. He hasn't a snowballs chance in hell and if he gets re-elected in November neither will America.Is that really such a bad notion to have? For too long we have sat idly by while hundreds of thousands of folk less fortunate than ourselves are slaughtered or tortured. Who else has come to their aid? This chap Bush may only have a few working brain cells, but at the end of the day he is nought but a figurehead. His advisers will have sense enough to keep him busy with unnecessary paperwork and the like. Mind you, if a wet-nose like Kerry takes over, then that really could be the end. |
| Bob The Shrek 21.06.2004 04:07 |
Bob the Shrek - let's say, working to put myself through college, I accept a job in a risky part of Philadelphia. Coming home one day, I am brutally murdered. I'm glad to know that you'll not give a shit because I "knew the risks". Trying to make a living doesn't equal jumping out of a plane into the ocean... "He shouldn't have been there"? No, terrorists shouldn't have been there. They shouldn't be ANYWHERE. You have to get the context right - if you went to Philadephia, knowing that there was a high risk of murder and the Police Dept, FBI, CIA, CBS, NBC et al have told you to stay away - THEN I wouldn't give a shit. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 21.06.2004 07:35 |
Bob the Shrek - Perhaps the CIA and FBI don't tell people to stay out of big cities, but statistics basically do. Every place carries with it a certain amount of risk, well, you take the risk, but I don't think that means that someone should be thought less of simply because they opted to go do something overseas as opposed to staying here. |