| Biggest Band On The Planet 24.04.2004 20:54 |
Their was a lot of talk in the mid 80s about Queen spliting up, Could the reason they didnt split up be because they knew it was their last chance to stay together as a band ? |
| Kuku 24.04.2004 22:04 |
I actually wondered about that, too... would have they split? I have no idea... eventually they would have gone a separate way - already their musical tastes started to differ in the late 80s. I think, though, that they would not have split as drasticaly as Beatles, for example. |
| Sicmot 24.04.2004 22:18 |
Answer to this is simply.. NO.. they would have never split up.. The rest of the band realized it was their fate in life to be in the band with Freddie.. Alone they could not achieve the same success and unity.. they had with the "mothership".. Tight knit unit. Till 86 they felt very tired.. but the spirit kept them going on.. and they would have had some individual break off's from the band.. but they would have returned to it in the end like always before.. Shall FM lived.. they would have realized it was force to renovate, to adopt the challenges of decades to come.. They were in the way of becoming sheer perfect.. and their ideas and music to evolve for the yrs to come.. What I miss mostly from the eighties... is the soul in the music.. there are though some artists.. who keeps contributing their personal feelings to the music they does.. like GM.. |
| iGSM 24.04.2004 22:21 |
That is until Roger is caught plowing Brians missus and Freddie turns John gay. |
| Saint Jiub 24.04.2004 22:28 |
Freddie was the only one who did not want to tour in '89 ... as presented in Mike Reed's interview ... maybe this was another facade .. who knows? |
| iGSM 25.04.2004 04:21 |
Well I'll be a pickle. I never knew that. How dare he deprive the world of another tour ... even if he was dying. |
| Saint Jiub 25.04.2004 10:34 |
The point is apparently that the other guys did not know he was dying ... or at least that was the official story ... |
| Mr.Jingles 25.04.2004 21:39 |
They didn't know at least until the recording sessions for The Miracle, and Freddie told them what he was going through. Another version of the story is that Freddie didn't actually tell them about his condition until like 1990 or 1991, but all the time they knew that he was seriously ill but didn't ask any questions to respect his privacy. |
| Kuku 26.04.2004 01:53 |
iGSM wrote: That is until Roger is caught plowing Brians missus and Freddie turns John gay.LOL iGSM!! |
| dragonzflame 26.04.2004 05:40 |
>>all the time they knew that he was seriously ill but didn't ask any questions to respect his privacy. I've never quite got that. Surely it isn't intruding on your friend's privacy if you suspect they're seriously ill to ask them what's up? It's one thing to ask if they've had any gay sex lately and who with and precise details please, but if you think they're dying? Something funny there... |
| Fenderek 26.04.2004 08:27 |
I'm not sure if John wasn't ready to leave back in 1986... They took 2 years off, started recording new album and it was already apparent that there's sth wrong with Freddie... So he stayed... My theory is that if Freddie wasn't ill, John could be the one saying "I have enough" and retiring... After reading in "Early years" a bit about his wife I think I can understand his confusion- on tour they were kind of Gods, everyone were there especially for them to ensure they have everything they need and want... Then- coming home to wife who is devoted catholic and 5 kids... kind of double life, isn't it...? touring's always like that, doesn't matter the band / artist, but in his case the difference was probably incredibly big... That may be also the reason why he retired now- Brian and Roger were doing shitty things / projects (he called collaboration with Robbie "rubbish"), so the whole thing wasn't worth the difficulty of this double life- public and private...Just a theory... |
| iGSM 26.04.2004 08:53 |
Touche, salesman. Anywho a tribe of Deakys' is always going to be difficult. |
| Togg 26.04.2004 09:51 |
Freddie had always stated that he felt there would come a time when it would be difficult to continue to run around the stage in the same way as he got older. i think had he not been ill there would probably still have been one or two more tours then retire to pure studio work, I think it is likely that they would have had slow periods where nothing happened possibly for several years, but I doubt they would have ever 'officially' split up, I think they would have followed 'The Who's' example. As for endless comments on this site about 'shitty' projects like the musical etc, it appears to come from people who have never seen it, and therefore your opinion is worthless! how can you critic something you haven't seen? Do you say 'I don't like sushi, I've never tried it, but I don't like it' on second thoughts some of you probably do say that. Anyway the point is to have an opinion about any form of 'art' you HAVE to have seen it, listened to it, tasted it, etc, otherwise you have no opinion worth stating. Fine if you didn't like the Robbie Williams collaboration assuming you heard it, but at the end of the day this is music, and music is art in which you experiement, sometimes it works to your liking sometimes not, but to brand everything crap because it's not the same as the original version is very narrow minded. Rant over, just fed up of reading comments from 12yr old bedroom critics. |
| iGSM 26.04.2004 10:10 |
So a tour for The Miracle and another for Innuendo..which would probably have been a lot different. Also no Made in Heaven. It's great to speculate. |
| Fenderek 26.04.2004 10:10 |
"As for endless comments on this site about 'shitty' projects like the musical etc, it appears to come from people who have never seen it, and therefore your opinion is worthless! how can you critic something you haven't seen?" Live in London for 3 years, seen the musical twice... Now your opinion is worthless... "Fine if you didn't like the Robbie Williams collaboration assuming you heard it, but at the end of the day this is music, and music is art in which you experiement" I was just quoting John who said it was rubbish... Bloody stepford... "Rant over, just fed up of reading comments from 12yr old bedroom critics." Multiply it by two, you'll come bit closer... Just because your opinion is different than mine, you're assuming I'm basically stupid and my opinion is worthless and I know nothing about music... Nice- taht's what I call a true stepford... And what exactly makes me a 12year old bedroom critic and doesn't make you the same...?- apparently "more mature" opinion...? Don't make me laugh... I'm a musician myself and saying Robbie Williams and art in one sentence is just not right... In his case the word you're looking for is "product"... |
| Mr. Scully 26.04.2004 10:16 |
John would have retired in late 80's if it wasn't for Freddie's illness. There's NO way the band would be together in, say, 1995. |
| Togg 26.04.2004 10:49 |
Fenderek I wasn't particularly aiming it at you just to 'fuckwits' that write about the musical without having see it. But I might as well have been writing about you because you just displayed you own 'level of intelligence' but using the wonderful cover all 'stepford' a phase that gets spurted out here usually by people that have no clue as to its origin. Dear me, why can you not understand that I am talking about the many people on this site that simply love to critic the musical just because it's cool to do so, if anything should be called 'stepford' than running with the cool pack should be it. Never mind go back to the play ground. Bangs head against wall! |
| Togg 26.04.2004 11:04 |
Fenderek Just re-read your original post, and where does it talk about the musical? So why are you getting upset? Why do you assume I was talking about you? Seem to me everyone on this site claims to be either a musician or a web designer, who here has actually earned their living at either? I think the list has suddenly dropped somewhat, and before you shout, yes becomming a professional does make a huge difference, if you only have yourself to please you can claim to be anything, but if you have a paying client its a very different situation. |
| Fenderek 26.04.2004 12:11 |
"I wasn't particularly aiming it at you just to 'fuckwits' that write about the musical without having see it. " But you used word "shitty" used by me (you used it as a quote) begining your rant; therefore it's easy to assume- it's an answer to my previous post... You're right here, I didn't mention the musical, but... DID ANYONE...? What the hell this rant was THEN about...? Re-read your post and tell me again than it wasn't at all aimed at me... At whom then...? ...whatever... Bangs the head against the wall as well... Togg, I don't give a flying monkey about what's cool and what's not... Apoparently listening to Robbie Williams is actually supposed to be cool, isn't it...? Don't care what the others claim, don't care how the others defend their views etc.- all I know is that is music is not only a part of my life, but IS my life... If I turned deaf tomorrow I would lose everything- not only hearing- EVERYTHING... I'm a vocalist and of course, you can't buy my record in HMV or Tower, not yet I hope:) But does it make any difference...? Does it mean that I know less about music or I feel (or think) the wrong way...? Not sure... When I'm saying "shitty" or "bad" or anything it just simply mean IMO, doesn't it...? It's not THE TRUTH, one and only and I'm not even trying to say- I'm a musician so I know what's shitty and what's not... What I'm saying is: I'm a fan of music as anyone else, and some things are "shitty" for me (Robbie for instance) and some are cool (for example Metallica- and it's not so cool to listen to it since 1991, is is...?)- that's just my opinion, not the general truth...; by saying I'm a musician all I'm trying to do is to say how much I love music and how much of idealist I am, that's all... By saying that IMO sth is "shitty" I just mean that I don't feel that it's honest... or I just simply don't like and undestand it... |
| Hitman 26.04.2004 12:14 |
In my opinion Queen would have never split up officially.Freddie would have made some great collaborations (as he did), so Brian and ROger, but every 2-3 years some new Queen stuff would have been released :) for our joy. And of course in 2004 they couldn't make a Wembley gig running for the stage, but they would have created some GREAT show in some other way!! |
| Togg 26.04.2004 12:29 |
Fenderek I think the post you made just came at a moment when I was / am fed up with reading peoples comments about subjects they clearly have no or little knowledge of. It WAS your comment on 'shitty things' that provoked my reaction but it was NOT aimed at you, It was a general comment, if you read what I put you will see that my comment was if fact aimed at people that like to jump on the band wagon and pan the musical, but have never seen it. In that instance I firmly believe they have NO opinion that can be judged to have any worth. I don't care what they think about it, if they have seen it. You are correct, your opinion is just that, and I don't have an issue with it. All I am saying is to judge something you have to experience it to have a valid view point, and too many people in too many posts on this site open their mouths without having any knowledge of what they are speaking of. |
| Fenderek 26.04.2004 12:41 |
"It WAS your comment on 'shitty things' that provoked my reaction but it was NOT aimed at you, It was a general comment, if you read what I put you will see that my comment was if fact aimed at people that like to jump on the band wagon and pan the musical, but have never seen it." Fine, misunderstanding solved...:) "All I am saying is to judge something you have to experience it to have a valid view point, and too many people in too many posts on this site open their mouths without having any knowledge of what they are speaking of." Couldn't agree more; simply couldn't agree more... OK, let's leave this bloody (now I think literally...:) wall... |
| Rich Tea 26.04.2004 14:35 |
Opinions are like arseholes everyones got one! Rumours of Queen splitting had been around from 77 onwards I remember one paper at the time saying Champions was there farewell song! John leaving well I couldn't see it really but what do I know I still think the other three would have carried on and probably Freddie would have persuaded him to stay. |
| jeff payne 1680 26.04.2004 15:55 |
There's no way they would have played Wembley stadium in 04 not a chance |
| The Real Wizard 27.04.2004 00:11 |
iGSM wrote: So a tour for The Miracle and another for Innuendo..which would probably have been a lot different. Also no Made in Heaven. It's great to speculate.Indeed it is great to speculate, but do keep in mind, there certainly wouldn't have been an Innuendo as it was, because that stuff was mostly written with Freddie's situation in mind. |
| iGSM 27.04.2004 04:43 |
Yep :) That's why I made sure to put in would be different..there are some songs on Innuendo where I can't really see the connection.. Bijou, The Hitman, I can't live with You (unless he's singing about AIDS). But certainly. Some times I like listening to the current techno-hip hop-trance-flip hop-stomp-fromp-house-acid music and imagine Freddie singing them...like that 'I don't want you back song' It still would be great for Freddie to be alive, to have people say 'That gay? Didn't he sing (enter Greatest Hits I/II song)? What a gay?' instead of 'That dead gay? Didn't he sing (enter Greatest Hits I/II song)? What a gay? I'd also like to be able to tell me kids 'I remember when the 87 year old Freddie Mercury fell off the stage and screamed 'Oh God! Fuck me God' Roger has prosthetic limbs, John is on life support and Brian has Nurse Betty to help him stand up now. Roger and Nurse Betty will send out wedding invitations next week. I guess I'm bitter that I was too young to remember A Kind of Magic/The Miracle and Innuendo coming out. Anywho...carry on. |
| Freddie-B 27.04.2004 09:05 |
I think they would have split after the magic tour yeah. Probably would have got back together, Eagles style, but would have gone seperate ways for a while I think. If not after Magic, definitely after Miracle, which is too shabby in places for a great band really. |
| Rich Tea 27.04.2004 11:29 |
Jeff Payne you are totally right Wembley Stadium was demolished in 03 and will not be finished unti 05/06 so there is NO WAY they would have played it in 04! Queen would have still been around today but I think we would have only probably got another couple of albums from the ones we've already got. As for tours who knows but I reckon there would have at least been the occasional BIG show! But eh who knows and unfortunatly it doesn't really matter does it! |
| jeff payne 1680 27.04.2004 14:47 |
I wrote that to see if anyone noticed rich but hey Knebworth is bigger |
| Pim Derks 27.04.2004 15:31 |
In my opinion the following would've probably happened: - John would've left after the Magic Tour, during the recording for the follow-up of A Kind of Magic and the planning of the tour. He doesn't want to be away from his family for months again. - Brian might have finished his first solo-album a lot earlier , and spent less & less time on Queen and focusing more on becoming known as a solo-artist. - Freddie had a lot of solo-success after the AKOM tour with both Barcelona and the Great Pretender so he would probably focus on more solo-recordings too. - Roger probably would've spent more & more time on the Cross. Most of MBADTK was written by the rest of the band while RT was working on The Miracle and Blue Rock was recorded while Queen were working on the follow-up to Innuendo.... |
| [StArMaN] 27.04.2004 15:51 |
The band was called for the mega all stars show "Knebworth 90" but, for the reasons we all know, they rejected the invitation :( |
| teddybear 27.04.2004 18:17 |
I think Queen would still be around, they are just too creative to throw the towel in - and John retired after freddie died, coz he could see it was the end of the era. But when you see Brian and Roger still trying to hold up the "Queen Banner" it is obvious they want to work still. And I do think they would have toured again too, but maybe taken the live stuff in a different direction who knows, all we can ever do is speculate and enjoy the memories we have and how "sweet they are". |
| The Real Wizard 27.04.2004 19:09 |
"The band was called for the mega all stars show "Knebworth 90" Neato, I didn't know that!! :) |
| Maz 28.04.2004 01:32 |
"The band was called for the mega all stars show "Knebworth 90" I'd also heard that rumor before, but has it ever been confirmed by someone in-the-know? |
| wstüssyb 28.04.2004 01:35 |
"The band was called for the mega all stars show "Knebworth 90" I'd also heard that rumor before, but has it ever been confirmed by someone in-the-know? I knew about it for a long time. Just didnt know it was news to anyone ^^ |
| jeff payne 1680 28.04.2004 14:02 |
I would like to think that they would have carried on semi full time in the 90's album every 3 years or so and playing in some smaller venues to get closer to the fans and then playing Glastonbury/ Reading festivals each year oh well it's good to dream |
| Nathalie_queenfan 29.04.2004 09:49 |
I don't think they would split up after 86!!!! For me....Freddie is still here and in Queen! |
| The Mir@cle 29.04.2004 10:22 |
John would have retired anyway, even If Freddie was still with us. But I think that Freddie, Roger and Brian hadn't finished the job yet. They would have make music togehter for ages. |
| wembley_towers 29.04.2004 12:39 |
No way! Has anyone seen live at Wembley? Quote: "There's been a lot of rumors about a certain band called Queen. It's been that we're gonna split...We'll be together till we fucking will die. I'm sure of it!:" |
| Daburcor? 29.04.2004 12:54 |
"Would Queen have split up after 86 if freddie was'nt ill ?" Yeah, Sure! Why not!? ;) |