| paris 16.03.2004 14:19 |
hey. i read in a freddie biography once that his parents religious laws said that when someone dies they must be brought back to the country were they were born and buried on holy ground so that they could be at peace,but freddie was burned and his ashes were divided umong his family and friends so he couldnt possibly be at peace. |
| bleeding heart show 16.03.2004 14:52 |
we'll find out when we join him ...... |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 16.03.2004 15:03 |
His ashes were shared between his family. Where's your proof? When did the Bulsara's become the Addams Family? |
| Penetration_Guru 16.03.2004 15:19 |
Who are these people? Where the fuck are they coming from? Brian's hair, Freddie's arse (and all issues related thereto), what's that tune with "galileo" in it.... Read a fucking biography! As It Began was translated into at least a dozen languages, and dozens more have been written since. In addition there are loads of sites with brief biogarphies, including the official site & the official fanclub sites. Once you've taken the time to grasp the basics, feel free to ask the really unusual questions, like why there are beeps on Live Killers.... |
| Flashman 16.03.2004 16:02 |
Welcoming bunch ain't we? Don't worry your head Paris, this is just our way of saying 'Hello'. |
| geeksandgeeks 16.03.2004 16:27 |
Flashman - would it be wrong for me to say, I love you, man? Paris - since almost no one else has bothered to even attempt to be helpful, it's a Zoroastrian belief. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of us are Zoroastrians. Believe whatever you want. Personally, I figure that at the moment Fred doesn't know or care about much of anything. Considering what's going on, that's probably a very good thing. |
| Somebody to loveeeee 16.03.2004 16:38 |
What ís that with those beeps on Live Killers, PG? Also, what's the tune you hear at the beginning of Brighton Rock?? |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 16.03.2004 16:39 |
Didn't PG give her some useful leads? Eg Books, internet etc |
| geeksandgeeks 16.03.2004 17:15 |
Well, you could argue that, but there's a concept called "not making a prig out of yourself". |
| YourValentine 16.03.2004 19:04 |
I agree with PG. I am fed up with people showing up on this board asking questions like the above which is a conglomerate of half knowledge and full nonsense. Is Freddie a demon, who gave him the virus, what happened to his ashes, should Hutton be dead etc ad infinitum. Of course, everybody can ask what they want but they have to take the answers. If we don't want Queenzone to turn into the playground of all kind of loonies with decent and intelligent posts being marginalised, we should not encourage this nonsense. I am a patient person but right now I've had it with these people. |
| Saffron Caribou 16.03.2004 20:04 |
I think a FAQ is in order. Also I always thought that Freddie was in a urn, not in peace. I wonder where peace really is? Bah. PS I don't think this is a board threatening question. It's more of a philosophical one. |
| geeksandgeeks 16.03.2004 21:35 |
Exactly, Marie. Look, some of these people are also probably new fans. Would it really be that hard to help them along? |
| Penetration_Guru 17.03.2004 03:01 |
Absolutely correct geeks. Would it not be equally straightforward for them to do a bit of their own research too though? I'm not asking people to be omniscient before they turn up, but do a little background instead of turning up here the first time you hear CLTCL on the radio asking if those Elvis impersonators did any albums? To emphasise the point, wasn't there a thread the other day asking if Freddie was really dead? |
| YourValentine 17.03.2004 03:40 |
I don't think it's a philosophical question. I fact, it's pure rubbish and it's sure not the most pressing question for a new fan. Let's see what we have: "i read in a freddie biography once that his parents religious laws said that when someone dies they must be brought back to the country were they were born and buried on holy ground so that they could be at peace" - That's nonsense. I strongly doubt that was written in any "biography" ever. Just type "Parsee burial rites" into a google search bar and you'll learn within minutes about the Towers Of Silence and the most basic Parsee traditions - if you really want to know. "but freddie was burned and his ashes were divided umong his family and friends so he couldnt possibly be at peace" More nonsense. Rumours and gossip. Nobody ever said that Freddie's ashes were divided. Moreover, it's nobody's business. You may think it's okay to pry into a family's most intimate and private affairs but it's maybe not the smartest thing to do when you post your first message on a notice board. This is not about helping a fan on, it's about what kind of topics we want to dominate this message board. |
| Togg 17.03.2004 04:29 |
Who the hell keeps making up this crap about his ashes, the only place I've ever heard this rubbish is from a couple of numpties here, where are they getting it from? |
| freddies_chicka 17.03.2004 09:52 |
I don't mean to be mean as well, but read before you ask. I am tired of the newbies that come on here and aske the most easiest questions! (ig, who wrote we are the champoins?) (excuse the french) It pisses me off, that some people come on here claiming to be queen fans, and dont even know th fucking basics. Not aimed at you paris. This is just a rant! |
| Fenderek 17.03.2004 11:49 |
It's becoming more and more irritating... Is Freddie in peace...? Well read fatty's recent story, you'll find out what's happening with Freddie.... And FAQ is a really good idea, but without any moderator the questions will still appear, that's for sure. Then again- I'm agains any moderator (so is Richard himself). Is being mean the only way...? Shit, seems like... |
| geeksandgeeks 17.03.2004 16:05 |
P_G, that doesn't mean we can't just tell them something that's perfectly common knowledge among we Queen fans. Okay, I don't want newbies coming on and asking "What was Roger's average driving speed when he was on the Dixie Dieway and drunk?" or something equally ludicrous. But nowhere else on the Web where I belong do people get this snippy when someone comes on asking what they were under the impression was a perfectly innocent question. If no one minds me saying, I prefer this to the standard "Oh, everyone, I'm so depressed I could DIE, I think John's D string may have been out of tune on such and such song at such and such second..." |
| SallyJ. 17.03.2004 16:48 |
"I am fed up with people showing up on this board asking questions like the above which is a conglomerate of half knowledge and full nonsense. Is Freddie a demon, who gave him the virus, what happened to his ashes, should Hutton be dead etc ad infinitum. Of course, everybody can ask what they want but they have to take the answers. If we don't want Queenzone to turn into the playground of all kind of loonies with decent and intelligent posts being marginalised, we should not encourage this nonsense." YV, very well said. I couldn't agree more. |
| FM 17.03.2004 16:51 |
"i read in a freddie biography once that his parents religious laws said that when someone dies they must be brought back to the country were they were born and buried on holy ground so that they could be at peace" Yes, I read that this was their beliefs also, but because they were in England they had to modernize their customs. Phoebe also mentioned in his book that he was happy that Freddie had wanted to be cremated in his will because that was his parents beliefs. And, because he was not married, his parents would have the last word as to Freddie. On another note, Paris, don't be discouraged about asking anything and offering your views on Freddie or Queen as this is what a Queen forum is all about. |
| Penis - Vagina 17.03.2004 16:51 |
There is already a FAQ at Queenzone. link Perhaps it needs to be expanded or updated, but it's there. It's accessible under the 'Library' link. |
| S@turn 17.03.2004 17:17 |
o, holy shit, malina takes her wisdom as well in this topic I think it is now so low that I can add my comments as well get alive and become a fan of britney speers or so, and leave the quality for who show respect, as well in their questions. Good to see that even in this topic some people with functionng brains and respects for others react |
| FriedChicken 17.03.2004 17:28 |
We don't need a FAQ if we had less stupid people on here. |
| AC 17.03.2004 17:31 |
Ignorance and stupidity should not be an excuse. And I'm not talking to Paris. |
| ilizarov 17.03.2004 17:34 |
Bloody hell, someone has started a topic about Freddie Mercury's ashes. Topics at this site have reached a new low. The only thing more absurd than this is that there are some people acually defending such topics. |
| FM 17.03.2004 22:39 |
We're not talking about Freddie's "ashes" we're talking about what was said about his parent's customs; there is a huge difference, if you would or could take the time to READ the topic! And, paris, again, please, don't be hesitant to say what you want and feel about Queen. Again, this is a forum for all to express what they feel about such. And S@turn, what exactly is it you are saying about me? My knowledge about Freddie IS vast indeed and accurate, thank you very much. |
| FM 17.03.2004 23:33 |
If you "google" and look up Zorastrian religion you will find what paris is talking about. Here is one such quote. "The peoples of ancient Persia believed that earth-burial was not even permissible; that such burial, to a certain degree, would block the coursings and journeyings required by nature. For this reason they built Towers of Silence open to the sky, on the mountain tops, and lay the dead therein on the surface of the ground. But they failed to observe that burial in the earth doth not prevent the natural travellings and coursings which are an exigency of creation -- that rather, earth-burial, besides permitting the natural march of phenomena, offereth other benefits as well. ('Abdu'l-Bahá, Summon up Remembrance, p. 175)" An interesting topic of discussion, in my opinion, as it so differs from our beliefs and customs and because it pertains to Freddie. There is nothing weird about it; nothing prying about it; it has been written about, and those of us who have read it (really read it) are free to discuss it on such a forum. So, those of you who are so quick to denounce someone for asking a question and insinuating that that person has not done their research, please do your own research before replying! You will be surprised at what you can learn if you really are interested in doing so. |
| AC 18.03.2004 08:18 |
I don't think your knowledge is vast and accurate. In particular, I don't think it is accurate at all. |
| Mr. Scully 18.03.2004 08:27 |
I think Malina's knowledge about Freddie IS vast and actually that's the main problem. Did Freddie fart at night? |
| pma 18.03.2004 08:38 |
Freddie didn't fart, like many rockstars, he had no asshole and was full of shit. |
| Fenderek 18.03.2004 08:46 |
What were his farts like...? |
| geeksandgeeks 18.03.2004 15:58 |
Guys, give Malina a break. What did she say that set everyone off? She tried to answer the question. Is that harmful? |
| Penetration_Guru 18.03.2004 16:15 |
Geeks.. If you want to see an even more non-newbie friendly forum, try link. Anyway, I take your point about innocent questions, but all you're really saying is that you and I have a different point at which an innocent question becomes a stupid question. I can respect that. Hopefully, you can also see that where you answer some questions, I answer others. In this case, I have to admit that my initial response is based mainly on the thread title, which I maintain is virtually imbecilic. Friends? |
| geeksandgeeks 18.03.2004 21:13 |
Sure, P_G. *shakes cyberhand* The topic title may well have been imbecilic - but really, look at the average topic title on the board...it's followed by thirteen thousand six hundred and forty-five exclamation points and announces something that is common knowledge. We can't judge a book by its cover :) |
| FM 18.03.2004 22:14 |
AC: My knowledge is very accurate--prove me wrong! Go ahead! And Scully, Freddie happens to be MY favorite Queen member so I do pay more attention to anything regarding him verses the other three. And, your problem is . . . ? If I were more interested in your favorite member, who is Brian, am I correct?, then it would be okay with you for me to focus on him? paris happened to be very correct in his assertations regarding Freddie's parents' customs about burial; that's what I was responding to. Who are any of you to say that people can not say what they feel or think or ask any particular questions regarding Queen on a QUEEN NOTICE BOARD???? |
| Penetration_Guru 19.03.2004 02:56 |
Absolutely. How dare anyone restrict anyone from asking anything. Of course freedom of question is useless without freedom of answer... |
| Mr. Scully 19.03.2004 03:37 |
Malina, my main point was that this is a Queen forum. And what do Zoroastrian burials or Freddie's ashes have in common with Queen? It's the music that should be discussed, for fuck's sake. Maybe next time we should really discuss (and into depth) which team will win the football league in England because Manchester United was Roger's favourite team? Or we should really talk about web design because Brian May's son has recently created a (very crappy) web site. (I think Arsenal will win, btw.) |
| YourValentine 19.03.2004 05:11 |
... "do pay more attention to anything regarding him verses the other three. . . . paris happened to be very correct in his assertations regarding Freddie's parents' customs about burial;" For me as a foreign English user it would be so much easier to discuss when native speakers would know the difference between "verses" and "versus" and would not make up words such as "assertation" when they perhaps mean "assertion" or something similar. |
| FM 19.03.2004 08:10 |
Scully: This is a Queen forum to discuss ANYTHING about the band; there are no limitations. The discussions being posted are those that have been written about, therefor open for debate and discussion. Nowhere on this site, does it say "only music topics allowed". And, Your Valentine, if you have nothing to add to the validity of any statements being made regarding the topic, but rather only have something to add regarding a couple of misspelled words, then whatever turns you on! |
| YourValentine 19.03.2004 08:17 |
Well, it' hardly possible to discuss with someone like you when your debating strategy is: "the earth is flat, I know that - now prove me wrong". |
| FM 19.03.2004 08:35 |
YourValentine: When I speak about Freddie, I state the facts. Or, when talking about interpretations of his songs, I state my opinions from what I've read and seen and heard. I have been a fan of Freddie's for a very, very long time and have always seen so much more into him then just what was on the surface. In fact Mercury, The Afterlife of a Rock God (which is now playing in New York, and which I've seen already and am seeing again on Sunday)has confirmed to me alot of what I've already believed about Freddie's life, particularly his childhood. I have always paid attention to anything written or said about Freddie because I have always been intrigued by him. So, whenever I read anything, it stayed with me and I retained it in my memory. So, what paris said about the Zororastrian beliefs was true--can you debate that? It has been written about as regards Freddie's parents and so therefore is a good, and interesting topic of discussion. It all pertains to Freddie and Freddie is part of Queen and this is a Queen forum. And, as I am intrigued by anything regarding Freddie's life, as I find it quite interesting indeed, I will reply to such topics. Now, go ahead, read over my reply and look for any misspellings and come back and bring them to my attention. |
| YourValentine 19.03.2004 15:24 |
Okay Malina - let me try one more time to discuss with you in a normal way. Of course, a normal discusson will NOT be based on an Off Broadway play because this is fiction and not facts as you seem to believe. - the discussion in this thread: although you yourself came up with a quote that proves that burial in so called "Holy Ground" is not a Parsi tradition at all, you still insist that the topic starter was right with the initial claim. With a little logic you'll see a contradiction here. He claimed that the religion of Freddie's parents requires the body to be taken back to the birth country in order to find peace in some sort of holy ground. This is wrong, period. Find your facts in any book or documentary. Start here if you will: link - the topic starter's second claim was that Freddie Mercury's ashes were divided among family members and friends and therefore the soul cannot find peace or something like that. I still think it's disgusting to spread such stories here. Nobody ever said that the ashes were divided. This is not Courtney Love baking cakes from her husband's remains, so please let us observe a little respect here. Let's go back to some other topics we discussed here to make you realise how frustrating it is to discusss with someone who strictly refuses to accept reality but insists to have a deeper knowledge based on what ever it may be based. - your claim that Bohemian Rhapsody deals with Freddie "coming to terms with his sexuality" Although there is not the slightest hint for such a meaning in the song and although Brian and Roger told the public a dozen times that it was tongue in cheek and rather nonsense than anything else, you did not only insist on your "interpretation", no - you even claimed that Brian confirmed your views in an interview. When asked for the quote you refused to provide it (no surprise here, he never said it) blaming the other people to be too ignorant to know this alleged quote. - your theory that Mustapha has a consistent meaning and that parts of it are written in Gujarati. Although nobody ever could find this consistent meaning and although Indian Queenzoner Lord Vultan confirmed that there is no Indian language used in the song, you still insisted that you are right and everybody else is wrong. As a self proclaimed Freddie expert you should give facts a little more room in your statements even if they don't fit into the image you made of your idol. Now I feel like Chad:) but I sure won't do this again. |
| FM 19.03.2004 15:53 |
YourValentine: Certainly you didn't see any references to Freddie's ashes in my response to paris because they're weren't any. Of course, Freddie's ashes weren't shared. I was responding to his first statement regarding Freddie's parents beliefs that the body is to be laid out on holy ground. Again, I didn't respond to any statement regarding whether or not Freddie is at peace. So, again, only did I respond to the religious beliefs aspects in this topics. (By the way, though, I do feel Freddie is at peace--my own personal feelings). Please re-read my answer. As to your other statements regarding BoRap, look back over your videos, and you WILL find what Brian said. And, as for Mustapha, I still stand by what I said. I'm not going to go over again all the details, because I've said them all already. If you want to, please go back and re-read all my reasonings, but I'm not going to repeat myself. Oh, and as for Mercury-the Afterlife, it is based on his life, and it would do you good to see it as it shows the deeper side of Freddie that many of you refuse to see or believe, the side that is reflected in many of his songs. |
| YourValentine 19.03.2004 22:28 |
Lol yes - be happy in your dream world:) |
| Penetration_Guru 20.03.2004 03:08 |
What you have all missed here is that Malina's favourite Queen member is Freddie, clearly setting her apart from the hundreds of us trolling around. She looks up lots of stuff, and therefore doesn't actually need discussion, but until someone builds a "I know this subject inside out and will answer all your questions with 100% accuracy" board, she's stuck on boards where everyone else expects to be allowed an opinion. You have to make allowances for the fact that this goes against her expectations. Oh, and Mercury - The Afterlife is clearly a reference work on a par with the dictionary. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . in that they both have words in them. |
| Bohardy 20.03.2004 05:21 |
I just have to say (as I think I've said before) in defence (shock,horror) of Malina, that I'm sure I''ve seen/got the Brian quote that Malina mentions regarding Bo Rhap possibly being about Fred coming to terms with his sexuality, or at least going through some significant changes in his life. I really doubt that I'm gonna trawl through all the various videos and clips I have to try and find it, but I'm pretty sure it was from something fairly recent, such as the Killer Queen documentary, or on some run-down of the top 100 Rock Songs type thing. I appreciate it's a bit shit that I can't be more specific (and I suppose I may be going mental, rather then be correct) but I just had to say that Malina's not alone in believing that Brian said what he did. |
| YourValentine 20.03.2004 06:53 |
I am interested, Bohardy, please tell me more. I never say anything when people here tell me they are musicians and know more than me - it's very likely true. But I happen to know some things about literary writing, fiction and poetry and I would be more than surprised when an artist like Brian May would say in public that the lyrics by another artist express a specific personal issue - in particular when the author himself always strictly refused to comment on these lyrics. So, since it was not on Killer Queen and not on VH1 Ten of the best - what's your next suggestion? Maybe Brian's comments on GVH1 , when he said that Freddie was wrestling with a lot of things at that time? This is what Brian said: "I think we will never know what Bohemian Rhapsody is about. If I knew what it was about I probably would not want to tell you anyway because I would not tell you what my songs are about, I hate doing that, I think it destroys them. Because the great thing about a great song is that you relate it to your own personal experience and you feel it in your own life." That's a very common artistic point of view. The artist does not want his song to be connected to one specific "meaning", this would mean the song can be obsolete and useless within 2 years. Later in the same feature Brian says that Freddie was redefining himself at that time and wrestling with a lot of things but he never made a direct connection to the song and he never said that Bohemian Rhapsody was about Freddie coming to terms with his sexuality, it would be utterly stupid to say something like that. |
| FM 20.03.2004 08:19 |
YourValentine: It is you who is in a dream world because you seem to know so much about nothing! Carry on then. . . |
| -fatty- 2850 20.03.2004 08:53 |
I beg to differ Malina. I think it is a well accepted fact that when it comes to knowing everyting about nothing, nobody can touch my encyclopedic knowledge. I know every single thing that never happened and can back them up with proof if proof be needed. In short I may not know nothing about everything but I do know everything about nothing. Or at least all the important bits. fatty. |
| ilizarov 20.03.2004 09:24 |
"always seen so much more into him then just what was on the surface...." - you see this is where my major problem is...you have not SEEN any more than anyone else who has read x, y or z books or watched certain programs, you just THINK you know certain things about Freddie. All part of Malina's little make believe world. "Mercury, The Afterlife of a Rock God ....has confirmed to me alot of what I've already believed about Freddie's life" - I dont know anything about this play, but I doubt it is something that should be taken all that seriously. |
| geeksandgeeks 20.03.2004 10:44 |
Yo, what's this about Courtney Love baking cakes form her husband's remains? Speaking of a little respect... |
| Bohardy 20.03.2004 12:18 |
I'm sorry YV, but I've really got nothing more to add, because to be honest I'm simply too lazy to try and find the quote that I think I remember. It's good that you're not, and that you've done some checking, so cheers for that. But of course you've sown the seed of doubt in my mind now...:) It might possibly be the segments on GVHI that you mentioned that I'm thinking of. I promise I'll at least watch that again and see if it rings the right bells for me. It will be good to be proved wrong, believe me. |
| AC 20.03.2004 13:20 |
Sorry Malina but you only proved that your knowledge is (perhaps) vast but totally inaccurate. You refused to give any proof. How could we take you seriously? Come on, please, read what you said: "Oh, and as for Mercury-the Afterlife, it is based on his life... ". Now, how can you say a thing like this? You can't be serious. You're saying that the show is true because it is based on Freddie's life. And then? Every book written about Freddie is based on his life, but of course they're not always true. Also fatty's stories are based on Freddie's life. Are they true? I have nothing against you, I just want you to understand that what you *think* is not always the pure and simple truth. You can be wrong. You're convinced that what you know is true, but only because YOU want it to be true. You like what you think, but you should look after the truth, not after your imagination. I really hope you will understand this. Now you're just a fan of something you call Freddie Mercury which exists only in your mind. Free yourself and be a fan of the real Freddie Mercury. Please. |
| FM 20.03.2004 14:13 |
I think that you who have responded in this matter are such closed minded and one sided people. Continue on your journey thinking that Freddie's music meant nothing, his songs were nonsense, etc., etc. It is all of you who know nothing and are incapable of reading more into anything other than what is on the surface. It is like talking to a bunch of children, only children want to see and hear more. |
| AC 20.03.2004 14:16 |
Did you read what I said or just replied? I know that Freddie's msuic means something. Simply, it doesn't mean what YOU want. It means what FREDDIE wanted. You can't change it only because you prefer your version. Please, understand this. There's more in Freddie music than what you ever thought. |
| Penetration_Guru 20.03.2004 15:19 |
OK, brainboxes, who said this: "None of our songs have any meanings, except some of Brian's" Answers on an e-postcard to malina@theoracle.com |
| ilizarov 20.03.2004 15:24 |
LOL But PG, Malina can 'see' beyond the surface of that comment. You and I are simply not intelligent enough to comprehend what it really means. |
| FM 21.03.2004 08:49 |
Like I said "children". |
| Penetration_Guru 21.03.2004 09:46 |
How about this "my songs are like razors - disposable pop!" Actaually, better still, assuming we accept your contention that Freddi's lyrics were replete with hidden layers and in no way shallow nonsense about men in tight shorts... Care to explain some of the others to us? We already have Soul Brother - Brian TFFMS - describes the painting KQ - prostitution Bicycle Race - Tour de France Bo Rhap - the subtle allegory of one man's struggle with his own sexuality. DOTL - Mr Sheffield (allegedly_ what else? thrill us with your insight, educate us as to the hidden depths in CLTCL "well, love is such a y'know, tricky thing to like handle, maaaan, so wot I fink Freddie was doing there woz he woz saying, right, that love, basically, is like completely mad!!!!! an' 'ee's right, when ya fink abaht it, innit, I mean my Shane 'ee's 'ad some right slappers back 'ere...." |
| AC 21.03.2004 17:31 |
We're not children. It's you who refuse to talk as a normal person. Please, understand you mistakes. Come with us! |
| Merlot 21.03.2004 17:50 |
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| AC 22.03.2004 06:55 |
I'm sorry but I didn't understand. Are you talking with me? |
| S@turn 22.03.2004 06:59 |
<<<<<<<<< I think that you who have responded in this matter are such closed minded and one sided people. Continue on your journey thinking that Freddie's music meant nothing, his songs were nonsense, etc., etc. It is all of you who know nothing and are incapable of reading more into anything other than what is on the surface. It is like talking to a bunch of children, only children want to see and hear more. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are absolutely right. No one in the world knows the truth then you, but lucky it is only your truth and not ours (sorry for speaking for others as well) And andrea, you are a child, but I shall not tell that ;):) |
| AC 22.03.2004 07:24 |
Saturn, you're a BASTARD. |
| S@turn 22.03.2004 08:20 |
AC thank you :):) O, by the way, this is a joke.. We decided that I put that line with my topics, in case AC does not get "it" |
| Fenderek 22.03.2004 08:33 |
< Really good one, although not only for Malina but for about 75% of those who claim that are Queen fans... |
| Penetration_Guru 22.03.2004 15:52 |
Are you calling me prolific? Bastard |
| AC 22.03.2004 17:19 |
Thank you. It's the first time for me. |
| Merlot 22.03.2004 21:09 |
:P |
| Daburcor? 22.03.2004 21:11 |
"Yo, what's this about Courtney Love baking cakes form her husband's remains?" Mmmmm... "Chocolate Cobain surprise"... Mmmmmmm... |
| geeksandgeeks 23.03.2004 15:31 |
Can you get me the recipe for that, Dan? *ducks as ten thousand flying objects come her way from the direction of NirvanaFrwak.com - sorry, guys!* |