Jesus is gay

The Real Wizard 13.03.2004 22:20	Now that I have your attention... This is merely a mundane question about the Crossroads Guitar Festival. Does anyone know which day(s) Brian is playing? There doesn't appear to be any specific information on Queenworld or BrianMay.com, and I thought someone on here might have heard. Thanks in advance!
freddies_chicka 13.03.2004 22:30	how dare you catch my attention in that way. Not only is that a fucking lame attention getter, it is really offensive. I am a catholic, so maybe that is it. but it is still very offensive. Im disappointed in you, even though i dont know you
deleted user 13.03.2004 23:33	I agree.
NoOneButYou1975 13.03.2004 23:53	Guitar Hero...Brian will be performing on Sunday of the festival...
NoOneButYou1975 13.03.2004 23:53	oh yeah and tickets went on sale today..
iGSM 14.03.2004 02:00	And Mohammed used to knit.
Virtuoso 14.03.2004 02:25	Oh and also...who cares if Jesus is gay...
freddies_chicka 14.03.2004 02:53	its not wheather he is gay or not, its the fact that he would put such an attention getter
*the Time Guardian* 14.03.2004 02:56	I've heard he was gay too :P
Virtuoso 14.03.2004 03:07	Well I don't know,you said that it was offensive,your words really.So doesn't it sort of means that it's wheither he was gay or not. Gerli...well it could be true :s,but he suposedly had some 'wild' aventures with some prostitutes.The man was a playa',hehehe.
dragonzflame 14.03.2004 03:54	Saying Jesus was gay is like saying Tinky Winky/Thomas the Tank Engine/Bert and Ernie were gay - just silly stuff that nobody can prove but yet upsets people anyway. Anyway, I heard that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene...(who btw wasn't a prostitute but a priestess. Magdalene is a title of leadership but she was reworked to be a prostitute in subsequent chauvenistic eras)
Banquo 14.03.2004 04:03	I think its better to prove if he actually existed than to speculate on his sexuality.
*the Time Guardian* 14.03.2004 04:42	and Teletubbies are gay :P Or at least one of them. See for yourself :P - link link
DudleyFufkin 14.03.2004 04:56	Jesus is a cunt.
The Real Wizard 14.03.2004 09:27	"it is really offensive. I am a catholic, so maybe that is it" If you don't believe it's true, then it shouldn't offend you, period! Most sane people don't take everything so literally. If you believe something in your heart, then some ridiculous comment on a noticeboard shouldn't get in the way of that. If your church or faith teaches you to be strong, then keep doing it, and don't let crap like this get to you. But again, the question will always remain, do you believe it because you want to believe it, or do you believe it because your church told you it's a good idea? But anyhoo, I guess I accomplished what I set out to do... rattle up a few people, and then teach this little lesson, but only to those who want to hear it, of course. Many won't see the lesson until the afternoon because they're busy at mass, being told they're unworthy and that they have their week's worth of sin to clense from their unclean souls. "I think its better to prove if he actually existed than to speculate on his sexuality" It doesn't need proving. There are books full of sayings and parables of the historical Jesus... which are quite different than the Jesus that the bible wants us to know. The "god made flesh" Jesus that Christianity has told us all about is quite different than the historical Jesus, the teacher who was just a regular ordinary guy. Thanks NoOneButYou for the info, btw. :)
NoOneButYou1975 14.03.2004 10:01	yw
Lester Burnham 14.03.2004 10:07	I was going to post a long, satirical rant here, but I've decided not to be daring and instead am going to post, "Good show, Guitar Hero. Some people will never get the sticks out of their asses."
Hank H. 14.03.2004 10:31	dito
dragonzflame 14.03.2004 16:28	Notice that nobody's answered the original question.
dragonzflame 14.03.2004 16:29	Never mind. Teaches me for only selectively reading.
deleted user 14.03.2004 16:42	You people make me sick.
MexQueenFM 14.03.2004 16:47	I know a Jesus that's way, he goes by Josefina, i'm just glad You didn't say "Jesus Christ is gay" that would have offended me
The Real Wizard 14.03.2004 16:48	"Good show, Guitar Hero. Some people will never get the sticks out of their asses." Thanks Lester, but I would have definitely preferred to see the long satirical rant. And it's never too late! "i'm just glad You didn't say "Jesus Christ is gay" that would have offended me" Why? If you read what I said above, then you shouldn't be offended. If you need any further reason not to be offended by this kind of thing, you should check out the two classic religion-oriented topics I was heavily involved in. Educated knowledge, and good stuff everyone should be at least aware of. "You people make me sick." Care to explain why?
deleted user 14.03.2004 17:21	'Educated knowledge, and good stuff everyone should be at least aware of.' Educated knowledge? Is that what you call it? I call it nothing but nonsence. I am a Christian, and I have studied the Bible from start to finish. And the crap that you spread is quite UNeducated. A. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Man made flesh as you put it earlier. He died on the cross for all mankind. He took the punishment of sin for the ones who believe. B. The Bible is the infallable Word of God. I believe every word in it. C. My faith is what it is. Faith. I believe what the Bible says, and I have faith that I an right. You don't have to believe it, and I won't push you to belive it. When I see things like 'Jesus is gay' or what some other complete jerk said 'Jesus is a c****' it makes me sick that you and the others have enough guts to blaspheme the Almighty God who gave everything He had to save our souls.
Bob The Shrek 14.03.2004 17:26	'Jesus is a c****' it makes me sick that you and the others have enough guts to blaspheme the Almighty God who gave everything He had to save our souls. It is not blasphemy if we don't believe.
ilizarov 14.03.2004 18:02	I dont mind if people choose to be religious....I would probably call myself agnostic, because saying "I know god doesnt exist" is probably as aggorgant as saying "I know he does".... Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits. -Dan Barker, author and former evangelist Truth does not have to be accepted on faith. Scientists do not hold hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! Amen. -Dan Barker, former evangelist and author I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment, to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure. -Clarence Darrow, American lawyer and the best one: If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed. -Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist More quotes: link
freddies_chicka 14.03.2004 20:07	thank you lucy was high and so was I, the exact words i wanted to say!
The Real Wizard 14.03.2004 20:40	Excellent quotes, DeaconJohn. The words "former evangelist" were very reassuring to see. That's one more person who got a grip on reality before it was too late. Listen all, I have no problems with anyone challenging me in terms of anything in this post. Please note that the bible cannot be your only source of historical information if you do. "Educated knowledge? Is that what you call it? I call it nothing but nonsence. I am a Christian, and I have studied the Bible from start to finish. And the crap that you spread is quite UNeducated." Who in the world are you to say that it's uneducated? How many books on religion have you read, not including the bible? The bible is completely full of contradictions. The bible is NOT the place to search for truth and knowledge. The only thing you can credit yourself with after reading the bible is memorizational skills. Finding a fictional passage on request does not make you even remotely intelligent. Understanding what the writers of the retainer class were trying to say is where intelligence comes in. In your lifetime, you are not going to find one intelligent theologian who believes that more than 10% of the bible is comprised of some kind of truth. In the time these stories were written, average people were not literal and literate people like we are today. Stories were not taken literally. These people were figurative people, and looked at the person that was being written about, and were interested in why they were being singled out. Back then, it was known to all that such things were fiction. Not one word of the bible has been proven to have been written before the year 70. Can you be sure everything did not go through the "telephone game" process until such a time? But that aside, since you say you believe in every word of the bible, you are therefore classified as a fundamentalist. Being as you say you are so, then here are things (just a few off the top of my head) you claim to be and/or agree with. Please either concur or change your stance when done reading. You believe women are to be subordinate, and are not allowed to work. The man is to control her life. If this is not agreed with, both will therefore not be acceptable in God's kingdom after death, because that would not be agreeing with God's law. I will check with my minister if you would like the exact location of this passage. You believe Jesus was tempted by the devil for 40 days in the desert (about the year 25), by a devil which wasn't yet "created" by the church. FACT. Believe what you want. Truth: Christianity is derivative of early forms of Judaism, who did not have beliefs in such things as the devil. You believe Jesus died for your sins, therefore your sins are automatically forgiven. Therefore, you are to have no control over what wrong you do, because God supposedly has a plan for you. You are strictly against gays, and think they should be removed from society, because they do not coinside with the "laws of nature", as the bible puts it. You believe a woman who gets brutally raped is not allowed to have an abortion. You believe that you are to serve God and God only, but you are a fan of the band Queen. Being as you are not devoting 100% of yourself to God, therefore you will not be acceptable to God after your death. You believe that honouring your mother and father are correct, regardless of the parents' performance. Therefore, if one of your parents beats you and says you're worthless, you must agree with them, because a commandment says so. You believe stealing is a sin, therefore if you have one piece of pirated software on your computer, you will go to hell. The same goes if you have even one burned cd or blank tape in your collection. You believe in the concept of sin, although it was translated incorrectly from the original latin scrolls. Such mistranslations have led to centuries of people devoting their lives to clensing themse
deleted user 14.03.2004 21:57	'You believe women are to be subordinate, and are not allowed to work. The man is to control her life. If this is not agreed with, both will therefore not be acceptable in God's kingdom after death, because that would not be agreeing with God's law.' You are refering to the Old Testament law. More like the 10 Commandments. They don't 'apply' to Christians as they would a Jew you see. Christians believe that once the debt was paid by Christ, you no longer had to follow the 10 Commandments. It is good however to keep them as a personal aid in your life. 'You believe Jesus was tempted by the devil for 40 days in the desert (about the year 25), by a devil which wasn't yet "created" by the church. FACT. Believe what you want. Truth: Christianity is derivative of early forms of Judaism, who did not have beliefs in such things as the devil.' The devil, Satan, Lucifer, was cast from Heaven durring Creation. So yes he was on earth from the beginning of time. Long before the Church 'made him up'. 'You believe Jesus died for your sins, therefore your sins are automatically forgiven. Therefore, you are to have no control over what wrong you do, because God supposedly has a plan for you.' Wrong again. I belive Jesus died for my sins, and the sins of the world. I accepted Him as Savior, and asked forgiveness of my sins. God has no plan for anyone. You have free will. Just like I believe it, you don't. You are strictly against gays, and think they should be removed from society, because they do not coinside with the "laws of nature", as the bible puts it. Wow. Wrong yet again. I hold nothing against anyone. As there are many different off shutes of Christianity ie Baptists, Reformed, Christian Reformed, many people think differently about different things. I try to show love to everybody. It doesn't matter to me what you are. 'You believe a woman who gets brutally raped is not allowed to have an abortion.' Right. I don't. Is there a difference between raped, and 'brutally' raped? Is it the childs fault? You believe that you are to serve God and God only, but you are a fan of the band Queen. Being as you are not devoting 100% of yourself to God, therefore you will not be acceptable to God after your death. Wrong again. Dude, where do you get your information? Where in the Bible does it say 'Christians shall have no fun.'? I like a lot of different music. Not just Queen. I have given myself to God. He knows me, and I know Him. every relationship is different. 'You believe that honouring your mother and father are correct, regardless of the parents' performance. Therefore, if one of your parents beats you and says you're worthless, you must agree with them, because a commandment says so.' Back to the Commandments. The Bible also says 'He who harms any of these little ones (kids) it would be better if a millstone was hung around his neck, and drown in the deepest sea.' I don't think that applys to abusive parents. 'You believe stealing is a sin, therefore if you have one piece of pirated software on your computer, you will go to hell. The same goes if you have even one burned cd or blank tape in your collection.' You're kidding me right? The next time your buddy comes over and says 'check this new cd out I got yesterday' and you pop it in your stereo he just shared it with you. Uh Oh. 'You believe in the concept of sin, although it was translated incorrectly from the original latin scrolls. Such mistranslations have led to centuries of people devoting their lives to clensing themselves from "sin".' The scrolls you are refering to are no in Latin. They are Hebrew, and Aramaic, and just a small few in Greek. 'You believe the NT scripture in which Jesus supposedly quotes OT. However, you do not note that virtually everyone born into the peasant class (which was about 90% of the ancient world's population) in his time were illiterate, and had no means of education. Being as Jesus was a mem
The Real Wizard 14.03.2004 22:15	"Christians believe that once the debt was paid by Christ, you no longer had to follow the 10 Commandments." I've never heard of such a thing! Sounds like a good and logical idea, though. "It is good however to keep them as a personal aid in your life." True enough. "The devil, Satan, Lucifer, was cast from Heaven durring Creation. So yes he was on earth from the beginning of time. Long before the Church 'made him up'." Well, if you believe in the creation story as it's told, then I suppose that would coinside with it. "I accepted Him as Savior, and asked forgiveness of my sins. God has no plan for anyone. You have free will. Just like I believe it, you don't." I'm glad you believe in free will. But yes, the bible makes numerous references to "God's plan". "I hold nothing against anyone. As there are many different off shutes of Christianity ie Baptists, Reformed, Christian Reformed, many people think differently about different things. I try to show love to everybody. It doesn't matter to me what you are." Again, wonderful to hear that. It's just that when you said you believe every word of the bible, you are implying you agree with its anti-gay sentiments. Perhaps in the future you wouldn't claim to agree with all of it, as anyone with their facts straight will assume such things about you. :) Almost everything I referred to in my last post was directly from the bible, so therefore, being as you have said these above things I have quoted, you are far from being a fundamentalist. I'm glad to hear that. "Is there a difference between raped, and 'brutally' raped? Is it the childs fault?" Of course it isn't! So you are saying that the mother doesn't have a choice in what to do with her own body? Or must she raise her rapist's child, and have that with her for the rest of her life, without a choice? "Where in the Bible does it say 'Christians shall have no fun.'? I like a lot of different music. Not just Queen. I have given myself to God. He knows me, and I know Him. every relationship is different." The bible doesn't say that, but the bible does say, "love the lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and soul" or similar. It also says to serve nobody but God. So if you as much give Queen any status, according to scripture, you are not completely serving God, and you will end up... you know where. "The Bible also says 'He who harms any of these little ones (kids) it would be better if a millstone was hung around his neck, and drown in the deepest sea" You have just pointed out a major contradiction then. If not, then according to scripture, you must still honour that parent who abused that child, and received the according punishment. Of course this is highly illogical. But I'm just taking the words in the context they're written, and not twisting them whatsoever! "You're kidding me right? The next time your buddy comes over and says 'check this new cd out I got yesterday' and you pop it in your stereo he just shared it with you. Uh Oh." No, you then don't have your own copy. That's not stealing. I said, if you have any copies, that's considered stealing. "The scrolls you are refering to are no in Latin. They are Hebrew, and Aramaic, and just a small few in Greek." I stand corrected. A brief brain fart it was. :) "'You believe the NT scripture in which Jesus supposedly quotes OT. However, you do not note that virtually everyone born into the peasant class (which was about 90% of the ancient world's population) in his time were illiterate, and had no means of education. Being as Jesus was a member of this class (Joseph was a carpenter for crying out loud), he was most likely no exception.' I doubt it. That argument is quite dumb." It's not an argument. It's fact, and nothing but fact. Historical fact. "'You believe God has the right to kill anyone who doesn't agree with you, as stated in Numbers 25. Therefore, you support terroris
deleted user 14.03.2004 22:46	I like you dude. No matter what, we just have a talk. No attaking, just a level educated conversation. Cheers:)
The Real Wizard 15.03.2004 03:54	Good stuff. :) We just come from very different places, but clearly we both know what we're talking about.
Azmandaman 15.03.2004 04:32	this mass world wide web attention gathering to a freaking rock show brings me back to a lame work of the beetty and Butthead kinda humour or woteva... propper amateur goth punk rocker humour! didnt you kinda guys like Queen suppose you guys are here to be educated, but yo you had to leave your spray canned so called humourous graffitti skartered remarks lol! yo am worked up hose me down sum 1!!!
Billie 15.03.2004 08:09	"Now that I have your attention..." I never could imagine that Guitar Hero was in fact Charles Baer, the new attention seeker. ;) New topics from GH: Title: PENIS -> Topic about if John Deacon is going to met Roger and Brian for a new realese. Title: VAGINA -> Topic about the legality of downloading MP3 from the hub and then selling that stuff. Title: WENIS, I TOUCH MYSELF, OH YEAH -> Topic about why Hot Space is the finest work of the Queen catalogue.
Fenderek 15.03.2004 12:06	GOOD WORK, GUITAR HERO LMAO
Penis - Vagina 15.03.2004 12:47
Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 15.03.2004 14:44	'It doesn't need proving. There are books full of sayings and parables of the historical Jesus... which are quite different than the Jesus that the bible wants us to know. The "god made flesh" Jesus that Christianity has told us all about is quite different than the historical Jesus, the teacher who was just a regular ordinary guy.' Have you got any titles you could share old bean?
iron eagle 15.03.2004 15:25	gee stay gone miss all the fun..... here is a couple of links to the 'catechism of the catholic church' including one directly from the Vatican..for you studious folks.... link link just another perspective of course in the age of stephfordism... :)
Nuno 15.03.2004 15:58	Jesus wasn't gay.....nor was he straight The bloke didn't even exist so he couldn't have been either
Saffron Caribou 15.03.2004 18:51	Oh how I love a religious/theological arguement! :D I'm sure Jesus was gay, he was surely happy most of the time. ;P
The Real Wizard 15.03.2004 21:43	"I never could imagine that Guitar Hero was in fact Charles Baer, the new attention seeker. ;)" I'll choose to ignore this one, as the fine fellow who posted this obviously didn't read anything else in this topic. "Have you got any titles you could share old bean?" I'm far from being old, my friend. :) The only two books that really come to mind: "The Dishonest Church" and "Why Christianity Must Change Or Die". The latter was written by a former Presbyterian minister, and I have completely forgotten who wrote the former. I'll post again when I track down the names of the authors. There are also other gospels that do not exist in the bible, such as the "Q" Gospel, the and the Gospels of Mary and Thomas. These three books give a very different insight to early forms of religion and life in those times. There are also inch-thick books that analyze these three newly-found pieces of literature. "Oh how I love a religious/theological arguement! :D" Me too, Shoujo. Me too... :)
iron eagle 15.03.2004 22:19	jack good i believe it was.... i dont mind it either-- for me there is always the hope that eyes can be opened a bit more... esp. living here in the bible belt... classic stephfordism..
The Real Wizard 15.03.2004 22:46	"esp. living here in the bible belt... classic stephfordism.." All note the irony of me using the word "amen" in reply to that. But back to the original topic at hand... I've been at ticketmaster.ca and I'm having issues with the different seating sections. Does anyone know the difference between "field seating" and "general admission" ?? And which is closer to the stage? Furthermore, there are two types in the field category. Are the seats or the standing room closer to the stage? I would assume the standing room is, but the seating diagram is of little help, as it doesn't include all of these seating arrangements that were obviously made just for this event. Any help is appreciated.
dragonzflame 16.03.2004 00:44	>>Jesus wasn't gay.....nor was he straight The bloke didn't even exist so he couldn't have been either Actually, Trafficzombie, history is against you on that one. It's fairly well accepted that there was a charismatic rabbi around at the time who most believe to be the Jesus we're on about here, it's just the 'Son of God' or 'God made Flesh' thing we struggle with. Hey Matt, yay on you. I wish more Christians were like you :-)
Lawyeris 16.03.2004 01:42	"Jesus is gay" Do you mean F. Mercury is Jesus.....???
jorge 16.03.2004 01:57	"Do you mean F. Mercury is Jesus.....???" I'm not going to add any comment to this stupidity!
Lawyeris 16.03.2004 02:35	"I'm not going to add any comment to this stupidity!" You just did it, my dear:) I bet, jorge, you dont understand fatty's jokes or absurdities too
Hank H. 16.03.2004 04:10	I once again found Guitar Hero very convincing (not that I needed to be convinced) on this subject, while I had the impression that someone else was happy to get off cheaply although his arguments and assertion of having the same expertise were completely torn to shreds.
bleeding heart show 16.03.2004 08:18	"B. The Bible is the infallable Word of God. I believe every word in it." When it comes to scientific claims, the Bible has the dumbest claims, with all due respect to Christians. The Bible claims that Earth has four ends and four corners. Nobody can ever think a ball or a cycle to have corners and ends! Only flat items can have corners and ends, and this is exactly what the bible is trying to express regarding the shape of the earth. The earth is not flat, as once thought and it has no corners or ends at all. If Magnetic Poles can be taken as ends or corners of earth, then this definitely opposed to the axis of rotation. Isaiah 11:12 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV) "The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)" "that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)" Do you still think GOD said all of this ?
Maz 16.03.2004 12:00	Here's something that bothers me: Critics tend to attack the Bible for its scientific impossibilities, believing that something can only be true if science can prove it to be. And since there are so many scientific innaccuracies in the Bible, the whole thing must be false (or at least completely overblown in its importance). But there are literally thousands of things in life, many that we encounter or experience everyday, that science cannot fully define or explain. Yes, there are literal mistakes in the Bible. The Earth does not have four corners. But can we not glean some sort of existential truth from the Bible? Much of GH's argument does have its merits, but to completely disregard the Bible because it does not hold-up to 21st Century science is borderline short-sightedness. (and no, I'm not accusing GH of doing that, just making a point)
deleted user 16.03.2004 13:43	"B. The Bible is the infallable Word of God. I believe every word in it." When it comes to scientific claims, the Bible has the dumbest claims, with all due respect to Christians. The Bible claims that Earth has four ends and four corners. Nobody can ever think a ball or a cycle to have corners and ends! Only flat items can have corners and ends, and this is exactly what the bible is trying to express regarding the shape of the earth. The earth is not flat, as once thought and it has no corners or ends at all. If Magnetic Poles can be taken as ends or corners of earth, then this definitely opposed to the axis of rotation. Isaiah 11:12 12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV) "The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)" "that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)" Do you still think GOD said all of this ? Yes I do. You must have a better argument than that. Good grief! The 4 corners of the earth. Hmmm. Let me think here. How about 1.North 2.South 3.East 4.West. Have you never heard of a 'figure of speech'? Your argument is void. Maybe like your brain.
inu-liger 16.03.2004 13:56	Sorry, I know this is off topic, but hey Bob (GH), are you going to the Cleveland convention this year? Just wanted to know
bleeding heart show 16.03.2004 14:18	"that it might take the earth by the EDGES and shake the wicked out of it? (From the NIV Bible, Job 38:13)" Are you blind ? or was the first the quote the easiest one you could comment on !! I am not asking you to stop believing in Jesus peace be upon him 'cause I believe in him but I don't believe in his Crucifixion and in him being the SON of GOD and in the bible the book that is full man-made corruptions and alterations.
Hank H. 16.03.2004 15:55	"Do you still think GOD said all of this ? Yes I do. You must have a better argument than that. Good grief! The 4 corners of the earth. Hmmm. Let me think here. How about 1.North 2.South 3.East 4.West. Have you never heard of a 'figure of speech'? Your argument is void. Maybe like your brain." Of course the bible has figures of speech and I agree with Zeni in that not all what's written there is useless today because of scientific mistakes, but I think the four-corners-story and all the astronomic claims are NOT figures of speech, they simply mirror the state of science in those days. To say all the mistakes are figures of speech is only trying to hide that a lot of the content is ridiculous today, which makes a lot of the really important parts of the book (e.g. resurrection) also doubtful. Or do you say that's also just a "figure of speech"? And Guitar Hero did not say that everything in the holy book is complete bullshit, he was just reaction to the fundamentalism in Lucy's first post (that he believes every word of it).
The Real Wizard 17.03.2004 01:02	"Sorry, I know this is off topic, but hey Bob (GH), are you going to the Cleveland convention this year? Just wanted to know" Hey Rich... I'm tackling between going to Cleveland and seeing Brian in Texas. Unless Brian is coming to a US convention for the first time, I think I know which city is going to win! "which makes a lot of the really important parts of the book (e.g. resurrection) also doubtful. Or do you say that's also just a "figure of speech"?" Actually, many scholars (and many common people, I'm sure) are calling the resurrection something you can relate to in your personal resurrection through crisis. That makes the most sense to me. It's something completely possible, for any person. Thanks Hank and Zeni for your support. I honestly don't seek support in these types of discussions, but of course it's always welcome. :) Here are a few things I didn't entirely get to before, or were ignored to some extent: "The devil, Satan, Lucifer, was cast from Heaven durring Creation. So yes he was on earth from the beginning of time. Long before the Church 'made him up'." The church has an answer for everything, doesn't it? If the devil was cast out from heaven during creation, then why wasn't he mentioned until about 200 CE? I'm sure the faithful Christian reply would be something like, "God said so, because it's in the bible". Face it, there is no logical explanation. The devil was created as an antithesis to God because it was seen to be a perfect way to control people's fears. I thought I'd post this one again: "You believe the NT scripture in which Jesus supposedly quotes OT. However, you do not note that virtually everyone born into the peasant class (which was about 90% of the ancient world's population) in his time were illiterate, and had no means of education. Being as Jesus was a member of this class (Joseph was a carpenter for crying out loud), he was most likely no exception." In contrast to what you said above, this is very far from dumb. It's the truth about society in NT times. Most people with level heads see Jesus as the regular person he was, and therefore don't remove him from the society he lived in, as it would be completely illogical to do so. "You believe God has the right to kill anyone who doesn't agree with you, as stated in Numbers 25. Therefore, you support terrorism." You ignored the context itself. Read the passage, and note that it is to be directly taken as God taking sides, choosing to kill one group of people. As I said above, this proves that any fundamentalist who is aware of this passage (and literate enough to understand it) is therefore pro-terrorist. "Is there a difference between raped, and 'brutally' raped? Is it the childs fault?" I replied to this one earlier, and you ignored it. Come on, can you honestly say you're denying a woman's right to the control over her own body? It would be smart to concede now. If not, then one day if your wife gets raped and knocked up, it will be interesting to see what you guys would choose to do with her bundle of joy. Some people may see me as loving argument, but I'm just someone who doesn't like to leave things unfinished. As long as straight-ahead and logical answers can be provided, there is no reason for this to become an argument, anyway. :) "Your argument is void. Maybe like your brain." Just as an honest pointer: Watch when you say things like this. People may not entertain your opinions whole-heartedly as they once did, because you're resorting to attacking the person and not the problem.
Hitman 17.03.2004 04:28	Please people think twice before posting possible offensive sentences on the noticeboard! There's no excuse for getting attention in this way i understand the offended people.You have my sympathy
deleted user 17.03.2004 08:34	"Is there a difference between raped, and 'brutally' raped? Is it the childs fault?" "I replied to this one earlier, and you ignored it. Come on, can you honestly say you're denying a woman's right to the control over her own body? It would be smart to concede now. If not, then one day if your wife gets raped and knocked up, it will be interesting to see what you guys would choose to do with her bundle of joy." I do think abortion is wrong. However, being an American, I also believe in the right to choose. So I leave that up to the person or persons involved. It may sound like a easy way out, but it is truly how I feel. And it is leagal. "Some people may see me as loving argument, but I'm just someone who doesn't like to leave things unfinished. As long as straight-ahead and logical answers can be provided, there is no reason for this to become an argument, anyway. :)" I agree. As I have said before I like the debate as long as there is no attcking from outside parties. "Your argument is void. Maybe like your brain." "Just as an honest pointer: Watch when you say things like this. People may not entertain your opinions whole-heartedly as they once did, because you're resorting to attacking the person and not the problem." Agreed. Sometimes people need to come up with some things, credible things, on their own. If they want to debate. (either one of us or anyone here for that matter)
deleted user 17.03.2004 08:44	"You believe the NT scripture in which Jesus supposedly quotes OT. However, you do not note that virtually everyone born into the peasant class (which was about 90% of the ancient world's population) in his time were illiterate, and had no means of education. Being as Jesus was a member of this class (Joseph was a carpenter for crying out loud), he was most likely no exception." I honestly can't answer that one with facts or findings. All I believe is He was the Son of God. You can do anything with those powers. In contrast to what you said above, this is very far from dumb. It's the truth about society in NT times. Most people with level heads see Jesus as the regular person he was, and therefore don't remove him from the society he lived in, as it would be completely illogical to do so. "You believe God has the right to kill anyone who doesn't agree with you, as stated in Numbers 25. Therefore, you support terrorism." I just skimmed that reference you gave me. It seems to me, that the Comandments were being broken (the Old Law). God wasn't happy with the way the 'Children of Israel' were behaving (idols and so on) so He had certian leaders taken care of. And no I am not a supporter of terrorism. These things happened when the Old Law was being enforced. It must have been a brutal time. I don't have any creative answers for that.
The Real Wizard 17.03.2004 11:49	"God wasn't happy with the way the 'Children of Israel' were behaving (idols and so on) so He had certian leaders taken care of. And no I am not a supporter of terrorism. These things happened when the Old Law was being enforced. It must have been a brutal time. I don't have any creative answers for that." Hey, I didn't say you had to have the answers :P And I'm certainly not saying you support terrorism. But I just thought you should now note that you have admitted to not believing every word of the bible, many times in this topic, although you initially said you did. A fundamentalist believes every word of the bible, and clearly you've spoken otherwise. Like someone said before in the topic, they definitely need more Christians like you... Sticking with your beliefs, while not swallowing everything the church has to offer.
deleted user 17.03.2004 11:54	Thanks GH. You are a good guy :)
Fenderek 17.03.2004 12:05	I have to say reading this thread was pretty... nice... For the first time ppl involved in it, on both sides knew what they were talking about, respected each other and... Well, whatever, after reading the whole thing I feel I've learned some stuff, it made me think... Lucy, you restored my faith in Catholic people- for some time lost it completely (being Polish I'm surrounded by them, and most of them are pretty dumb...). Nice to listen to someone reasonable...
Maz 17.03.2004 12:22	Not exactly sure where this fits in, as there has been so much written, but I think GH asked about it at one point: The New Testament is supposed to represent God's new Covenant with the children of Israel, replacing (to at least some extent, if not all) the Old Testament and the old covenant. Thus, Jesus' teachings to "Turn the Other Cheek" replaces the "Eye for an Eye" belief. Under that, the writings of the New Testament would replace Numbers 25 as GH alludes to, and, I imagine, great portions of Levitical Law.
freddies_chicka 17.03.2004 20:32	wow, all this shit started b/c of me (partially at least) and my rants! cool! Im a rant starter
The Real Wizard 17.03.2004 23:03	"Under that, the writings of the New Testament would replace Numbers 25 as GH alludes to, and, I imagine, great portions of Levitical Law." In theory, you would seem to be right. But what I don't understand is, if they're fundamentalists and therefore know and believe in the bible cover to cover, why does every one of them miss the (simply put) NT overtaking the OT? Rhetorical question, but anyone is welcome to take a stab at it!
MsMercury01 17.03.2004 23:41	Yikes people, how does all of this relate to Queen? Isn't this a Queen message board? Debating religion and politics serves no purpose here but to piss people off.
Saffron Caribou 17.03.2004 23:58	One of the main canons of the Christian dogma is to await the Second Coming of Christ. Taking this into consideration, it is why (I believe)fundamentalist Christians have the need to believe in every word (although the Catholic Church has said that the 'word' shouldn't be taken literally) as it is. Therefore, if you follow what Christ "said" in the NT word for word, there is a good chance they will reign with Christ when he comes back to judge the living and the dead for his millenium of heaven on Earth. This can be disputed, of course, depending to which Christian denomination you belong to. In the OT, according to Christianity, the promise of the Messiah has already been fulfilled. Therefore, most of them ignore it, except the 'The 10 commandments'. However, I've seen most Christian denominations (esp. evangelicals) use the OT as more of a tie to the NT book of Revelations. The tie of of prophecy. Supposedly, and I find this interesting, that the book of Daniel and Isaiah (this one I'm not so sure, correct me if I'm wrong) does have a more of an apocalyptic tie to the NT rather than the traditional messianic message of promise of a God's kingdom on Earth. With this, I go back to what I said in the beginning. The need of saving your soul is to believe the NT, esp the epistles (which is a 'How to Be a Christian Handbook') word for word. The fear of suffering eternal damnation is surely a threat, according to fundamentalist Christians. The injection of fear of Hell is the reason for these religious fanatics need to follow word for word what Jesus said to join him in eternal life, whatever historically accurate or inaccurate The Bible might be.
Maz 17.03.2004 23:59	"Rhetorical question, but anyone is welcome to take a stab at it!" It's a slippery slope. At what point do you completely disregard the OT and replace it with the NT? Some portions may seem out of date with the NT (Eating of Pork, for instance), yet other parts closely tie into the coming Messiah and serve to set the stage for the divine right of Jesus (ie portions of Isiah). Some try to rationalize and explain the differences, others avoid it altogether Let's remember that Relgion does not happen in a vacuum; normal, everyday, sane people are also religious people. And normal, everyday, sane people make mistakes just like the rest of us. It's important that just because one nutter espouses some stange Christian doctrine that we don't right it off altogether. "Yikes people, how does all of this relate to Queen? Isn't this a Queen message board?" Yes, but just because we are Queen fans does not mean we revoke all right to intelligent thought. If you cannot handle religious debate, don't read the thread.
Saffron Caribou 18.03.2004 00:00	MsMercury, This is the personal section of the board. In here, you can discuss whatever you may like.
Saffron Caribou 18.03.2004 00:05	The Bible is a collection of books, right? How historically accurate these books are (except the Psalms, Revelations, and Song of Songs)? We don't know. When were they written? We don't know. Perhaps we should ask the Jewish historian Jocifus (sp?) on this. It's all about faith. I have my doubts. However, if it makes some people fell better. Good for them.
Fenderek 18.03.2004 08:43	<> That makes more sense than anything I've ever heard from any priest, but... what about the hell then...?It shouldn't exist- you DON'T HAVE TO follow 10 Commandments (as you said since the debt was paid by Jesus Christ), I can use them as personal aid but it's MY choice if I'm doing it or not, my free will.... How can I go to hell, then? That's something I have trouble with- I hear now very reasonable words, very ressonable concept of 'real' free will but what's the institution of hell doing in there...? Doesn't make sense to me...
deleted user 18.03.2004 09:32	'How can I go to hell, then? That's something I have trouble with- I hear now very reasonable words, very ressonable concept of 'real' free will but what's the institution of hell doing in there...? Doesn't make sense to me...' Christ paid the debt of sin when He died on the cross. Some who study the Bible think He went to hell for 3 days. While I remain sceptical on that issue, I have yet to find any real answers. On your question. You can accept or reject Christ. That is your free will, and you understand that. Christ says in the bible 'No man comes to the Father but by Me.' That means to get to the heaven the Christians believe in, you must accept Christ as Savior. By doing that people think that your life changes. Well in a way it does. Some people think that once that happens you have no more fun. Your just a stick in the mud, party pooper and so on. It's not true. At least not for me. As for hell, that seems to be open to debate as your question has it. Hell was translated from sheol which meant 'the grave' in Hebrew. So I don't know if there is a lake of fire waiting for those who reject Christ, or if it is a literal place. Fear should not be an issue when wanting to become a Christian. I have heard these southern baptists preachers speak, and some other baptists as well, trying to scare the crap out of people with the idea of going to hell. As far as I'm concerned, I wanted to be a Christain because of the price Christ paid for me. what kind of love He must have for all of us. And His teachings as well. Hope this helps :)
Fenderek 18.03.2004 12:07	<< Christ says in the bible 'No man comes to the Father but by Me.' That means to get to the heaven the Christians believe in, you must accept Christ as Savior.>> But then it goes into another question- do you really have to be only a christian to go to heaven...? What about ppl who are really wonderful, often much better than those who go to church every day or every Sunday but aren't christians- will they be unable to go to heaven...? What if someone doesn't choose Christ as his saviour simply by not believing in the whole story but is still a very good person, caring about the others, full of love etc... Will this person be unable to go to heaven...? Again- not something I really can agree with... Or maybe I just misunderstood sth... Thanx anyway; I'm just really curious, knowing only the bad side of the whole religion thing (growing up in a Catholic country...)... It's extremely intresting to see the other side of the whole thing... Maybe I'm just really bored with the black and white picture I had...?
deleted user 18.03.2004 12:57	'do you really have to be only a christian to go to heaven...? ' You can be whatever you want to be. I don't take a lable. I'm just a believer, who has accepted Christ as the Savior. 'What about ppl who are really wonderful, often much better than those who go to church every day or every Sunday but aren't christians- will they be unable to go to heaven...?' All I can tell you is what the Bible says. It says that works alone cannot get you there without Christ. 'What if someone doesn't choose Christ as his saviour simply by not believing in the whole story but is still a very good person, caring about the others, full of love etc... Will this person be unable to go to heaven...?' You don't have to believe the whole story my friend. I don't belive that alot of things are for todays world. Like in the OT it says that a man shouldn't wear anything that a woman would. Does that mean earings? Underwear? I don't know. Also it says that it is wrong for a woman to have short hair. This is also from the OT. I don't believe it for today. All that really matters is your relationship with God. Not what you are, not what denomination you belong to, any of that. Just Him and you. If I may suggest you read over the NT, you may come to discover some things for yourself. :)
geeksandgeeks 18.03.2004 16:11	What was this topic supposed to be about, again?
Dasenka Keglevic R. 19.03.2004 14:57	I don't know....but I'll ask him
hoopdiddydiddy 20.03.2004 07:38	I'm with guitar hero all the way on this one. Religious people scare me
The Real Wizard 20.03.2004 11:47	Hoopdiddydiddy, It may be a surprise to you that I'm a religious person too. I just tend to look at religion from more of a historical and theological point of view, and that gives me a very different relationship with God than that of someone who is religious purely on faith. Not all religion is bad! Remember, all religions of all levels are exactly what the people have made them.
dragonzflame 20.03.2004 23:10	In the beginning there was the question. And then geeksandgeeks did ask what the question was. And dragonzflame did tell g&g that GH did ask something about some performance by Brian May. And the question was answered by someone. And the topic was hijacked. Well, not hijacked, it was bound to become a discussion on religion after people got angry. And it did become more interesting. And many found it good.
jasen101 21.03.2004 22:04	Catholics are (intelligent)! Man I (love) them. They always have an opinion about everything. At least Roger didnt like religious people. -hope that's suger coated enough for all. Afterall we live in a perfect world where everyone loves everyone else, right??
jasen101 21.03.2004 22:06	I retract what i said here :)
Penis - Vagina 21.03.2004 22:38
Lester Burnham 21.03.2004 22:53	hahahahahahahahahah..... oh gosh, jasen, i just can't stop laughing... that was, by far, the most ignorant post i've ever read. congratulations!
The Real Wizard 22.03.2004 00:16	Yeah, I agree. Jasen, although I'm probably the last person you'll see supporting Catholicism, your comments are still pretty ignorant and closed-minded. Don't make a bad name for my country by posting crap like that.
hoopdiddydiddy 22.03.2004 06:33	Thanks guitar hero, I guess you're right there but I still can't understand how people can believe something they've never seen and only been told about or read in a book, I guess they were well and truly brainwashed when they were poor innocent youngsters, it's easy to brainwash kids. Me? I'll believe there's a god when I see it with my own eyes and not before, and also not with the aid of drugs. Just a thought. Imagine if you went to a deserted island somewhere and had children etc but never mentioned any of this god business to them, then they'd have children and so on and eventually you'd die then then people might come to this island and mention god to them, they'd say who the hell is god. Granted the story has flaws but you get the point I'm trying to make right? If none of these stories were instilled into us as youngsters then the thought would never even cross our minds. Plus I think the world would be a much greater place without religion to seperate us all up. John Lennon's Imagine hits the nail right on the nose if you ask me. Well enough of my incoherent rambling which none of you will probably understand and if I read through I probably wouldn't understand. Take care care and hope you all have a good day.
MercuryArts 22.03.2004 09:44	I always felt Jesus was a black man personally. And I was raised a catholic.
jasen101 22.03.2004 15:53	Well, dont worry, I went to confession yesterday after i said all those nasty things and im now one hundred percent forgiven! Jesus told me he loves me too!!:)) ahhh Gee, it's kinda odd when YOU run a certain religion down it's hate...but when a certain religion preaches: no birth control, non equality between the sexes, hatred towards gay people, and so on...it's considered holy. I guess that's why the Nazis where so close to the Vatican. I don't have a problem with most other religions...it is just that catholicism is so....well i don't want to go down the name calling "hatred" road again. THere are good people who are catholic...yeah okay, ill admit that...but, to tell you the truth, i used to think that the only people who where catholic were mobsters and child molesters. As for the pope...well he looks like an old vampire. Poor old Jesus...the amount of money and power the catholic church has made off his back is enough to ponder the questions: On what day did god create the pope? and couldn't he have rested on that day too?? hehe
The Real Wizard 23.03.2004 01:29	Jasen, one thing you should remember is that not all Catholics think that exact way. Many are anti-abortion and anti-gay at all times, among other things their religion has told them to do; but many Catholics are not like this. Perhaps it would be safer to say that you dislike only those Catholics who think that way. From my experience, I have met very few Catholics who live exactly as the church wants them to. It's good to see that these people are still thinking for themselves, while looking up to the church just as a means of reference - not a crutch. "If none of these stories were instilled into us as youngsters then the thought would never even cross our minds." I'd have to agree there. If that were the case, then a lot more people would actually look within themselves for strength, and not somewhere else. But we must keep in mind, religion is not just a faith thing. As I pointed out before, it can be a theological and historical thing too, and on that level, it can be highly educational. I will forever maintain that people who only search the bible for historical truth are completely limiting themselves.
MsMercury01 23.03.2004 03:35	I grew up Catholic and now I'm recovered. I am a pagan now and have be for a long time. Even though I don't believe in Jesus as the son of God and I don't believe the bible I still believe in everyone's right to choose what makes them happy. I also believe that people will have more impact by example than shoving religion down people's throats. I live in the bible belt and we have street preachers at red lights and standing outside of bars quite often. Freedom of speech is one thing but being annoying or offensive is another.
Merlot 23.03.2004 16:00
dragonzflame 24.03.2004 05:47	I also can't stand being pestered about religion. At my university there are these Asians (invariably) who go around and talk to you when you're sitting alone trying to eat your lunch/study/sleep. You try to be polite to them, but honestly, if I wanted to find God I'd go looking for him and I don't need people trying to show me the way.
Little_Queenie 24.03.2004 07:44	Ok, I just started to read this topic and really don't have enough time to read it completely, so I'm just gonna say a few things. Guitar hero, that really was a stupid thing to do, to get an attention in that way. Couldn't you just ask: "Do you guys know when Brian is playing...etc." You said noone who really believes in God and Jesus shouldn't be offended by your stupid sentence. I mean think about it. If someone told you (for example) your mother is a bitch, it would probably hurt and offend your feelings, although in your heart you could know your mum is the best woman on this planet. People have FEELINGS, and word can sometimes hurt more than anything else. I personally do believe in God and Jesus, I can't prove Jesus existed, but I simply BELIEVE it. Although I'm not the biggest fan of Church, as an institution, because we all know they made many, many, many wrong things through history, not to mention killing people who had guts to loudly dissagree with Bible or anything that had to do sth with Church. Church is made of humans, and we all make mistakes. Also, there is a big amount of hypocrisy in Church. I also have my own brain, and don't blindly believe every single word that's written in the Bible. It has many "figures of speech" and can easily be missinterpreted. Church learns us it is "God's Word", but word written by the hands of humans. There's really no point in these argues because question of religion is far too complicated to be discussed on some notice board... We should respect everyones right of choice, to believe in whatever they want. And I think it is the most important to be a good person, and not to judge, or harm anyone, no matter are you religious or not. If there is a God, (and I believe there is) I'm sure he would appreciate it. So once again, guitar hero, next time use your brain before you write something that might hurt someone's feelings.
Lisser 24.03.2004 09:43	Very well put Little_Queenie.
Hitman 24.03.2004 10:48	I totally agree with Little_Queenie. "Respect" is a word that for many people has a "personal" meaning.
The Real Wizard 24.03.2004 12:30	"If someone told you (for example) your mother is a bitch, it would probably hurt and offend your feelings, although in your heart you could know your mum is the best woman on this planet. People have FEELINGS, and word can sometimes hurt more than anything else." The difference is, one has the right to be offended about the "mother" insult because they've actually met their mother. I don't usually criticize people for thinking differently than I, but I worry very much about people who base their lives and their faith on something that may not even exist, and therefore are insulted by that one comment of mine. "There's really no point in these argues because question of religion is far too complicated to be discussed on some notice board..." Wrong again. People can have intelligent discussions about religion at any time. What slows these conversations down or even stops them is when someone answers a question with "because I believe, period". Some of the greatest discussions I've ever had in my life have been on the subject of theology. And I do respect other people's feelings. But come on, this is a noticeboard. If this place is anyone's closest means to social interaction, then there's definitely a problem there. Do you actually think I'd go running in the streets proclaiming that Jesus was gay? Maybe if you actually read the rest of page 1, you'd see why I started with that. And if you read pages 2 and 3, maybe you'd learn something about the theology of someone else, and open up that mind of yours a little on the subject. >"Respect" is a word that for many people has a "personal" meaning. Of course it does! But if everyone smiled and nodded and never commented on other people's beliefs, think of how dishonest our world would be (moreso than it already is now). It's people like you who are making this world such a dishonest place, Little_Queenie. If more people could be open to talk intelligently about their beliefs, just think of how much more understanding there would be in the world. And thanks for the subtle pot-shot, Hitman. It's nice that people can judge my sense of respect by a single post on QZ. The least you could do was read more of my posts, especially on this subject, and maybe you'd learn something too.
Little_Queenie 24.03.2004 12:55	My mind is very much opened to other's oppinions, thank you very much. And I've read many theological books, thanks for the advice, again. The point is you offended some people here with one stupid sentence (and btw, I'm not one of them, but can understand if someone is offended). And you just babble on and on about religion instead of simply appologise to those people who you offended.
The Real Wizard 24.03.2004 12:59	"And you just babble on and on about religion instead of simply appologise to those people who you offended." You call that babbling? You obviously haven't read too deeply into those theology books if you call my comments "babbling". And I didn't need to apologize. Again, if you read the rest of page 1, you'd see what my motive was. Just because a few people disagreed with me doesn't mean I have to automatically apologize. Your mind is obviously "selectively" open other people's opinions, as you see the need for me to apologize for something that offended some other people. People need to grow up and stop letting every little thing offend them. Again, this is a noticeboard. Do you think my true personality is what's on this board? Of course not. There's much more to everyone than what a bunch of text shows here. I said what I said, so MOVE ON. Don't judge my sense of respect for others just because of one comment. The least you could do is read more of this topic. If I told you I went up to people randomly on streets and told them that believing in God was a waste of time, then you'd have the right to say I have no respect for others. Until then, stop complaining.
Little_Queenie 24.03.2004 13:16	"Of course it does! But if everyone smiled and nodded and never commented on other people's beliefs, think of how dishonest our world would be (moreso than it already is now). It's people like you who are making this world such a dishonest place, Little_Queenie. If more people could be open to talk intelligently about their beliefs, just think of how much more understanding there would be in the world." Well, I did comment your posts, I didn't just smile and nodd, and you still say people like me make this world a dishonest place?? A little contradiction in your post, don't you think? Wow, tnx, good to know. Even better when you hear something like this comming from a person who will say Jesus is gay only to get people's attention. Pathetic. And I'm really glad you got to know me so goooood by reading one my post, you're a great psychologist. You don't know a shit about me, but still run to conclusions... Fine, what else to say...
Little_Queenie 24.03.2004 13:28	"Again, this is a noticeboard. Do you think my true personality is what's on this board? Of course not. There's much more to anyone than what a bunch of text shows here." I totally agree. So how come you concluded that people like me make the world such a dishonest place and you don't even know me? lol
Penis - Vagina 24.03.2004 13:50
Little_Queenie 24.03.2004 13:54	Truth, but some people could offend if you say Jesus is gay, so why saying it? People are different, we don't all get hurt by the same things.
Penis - Vagina 24.03.2004 14:17
The Real Wizard 24.03.2004 14:29	"So how come you concluded that people like me make the world such a dishonest place and you don't even know me? lol" Okay, you caught me there. I'll take it back. But I still stand by my motives for the "Jesus is gay" comment. If someone doesn't like it, then that's really too bad for them. I've already explained myself above. Just be glad I have fun like this on a noticeboard, and not in real life.
jasen101 26.03.2004 02:09	man, your posts are boring!
The Real Wizard 26.03.2004 02:59	Then don't read them, and stop complaining. Judging by your level of intelligence portrayed by your initial comments in this topic, I don't think anyone will ever take your crap seriously here. I could translate your last post by saying you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand most of my posts, but that'd be too insulting.
Vivian829 26.03.2004 09:19	=_=
jasen101 26.03.2004 16:23	Guitar Hero...........good! I wouldn't want people to take things I posted on here seriously! Oh god no! Sometimes I just like to push people's buttons...And i don't take things that people say about me on here seriously at all. Maybe you're one of those small, insignificant people who think their own intelligence is superior because they have a really cool name like "Guitar Hero"? Maybe you've been spending too much time listening to Queen and your own opinion, Darling?
Virtuoso 26.03.2004 17:42	WTF!?!Hey Bob,please don't reply,he's not worth the effort.
The Real Wizard 27.03.2004 02:26	lol! My god, that's too funny. In fact, as I was about to write this reply, I was laughing so hard that I wrote "lol" as my user name, and then backspaced it out in favour of my email address. "Maybe you're one of those small, insignificant people who think their own intelligence is superior because they have a really cool name like "Guitar Hero"?" I'm glad you said "maybe", and not "you are". How old are you, Jasen? 16? Get through high school first before you start labelling people you know nothing about. You're the last person I'd actually open up to and explain why my QZ alias is what it is. Until you show some signs of growing up, I will consider you as someone who is insignificant enough that what little intelligence they have has been compromised for what we see here. A real piece of work you are. "WTF!?!Hey Bob,please don't reply,he's not worth the effort." Nah, it was worth it. It's well after 2 am, so I think I'll laugh myself to sleep.
jasen101 27.03.2004 17:18	Yeah okay...good for you! I'm glad you took my comments with such a grain of salt! I love making people laugh...even if it's at their own expense. but... If your intelligence is as good as your sad little rendition of brighton rock...you've got alot of catching up to do.:) Maybe Virtuoso can give you some guitar lessons, old chap. I think Brian would get booed off stage if he attempted to play something like that...And by the way, i'm 21 not god know's how old you are...and i play in a real band, record at real studios, and write my own original licks. I'm also a sound engineer at a studio in vancouver, bc, canada. You should come over sometime, i'll teach you how to mic a guitar amp properly.
Daburcor? 27.03.2004 17:28	To all of you... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
Fenderek 27.03.2004 17:44	<> This way in the nearest future we won't be able to say anyting, because it MAY offend someone... <> So easy to write things like that on the noticeboard, isn't it...? Pathetic... EVEN if it's true (actually, than it's more pathetic...)
jasen101 27.03.2004 17:57	Yeah, enough is enough...back to talking about Queen stuff for me! < I was trying to make a point, ahh nevermind.
FreddiesGhettoTrench 27.03.2004 18:35	Jesus may not have been gay, but Judas Iscariot was, I think :) Come on slashers, sing it with me!!
Fenderek 27.03.2004 18:39	Always look on the briiight side of life....
freddies_chicka 27.03.2004 21:05	To Jasen 101 Who the fuck do you think you are trying to put down other religions. I would just like to let you know, im fucking f=proud of my fucking religion, and it pisses me off when dumbass pw=eople like you come in here, thinking its ok to say things like this. You disgust me. Im Catholic, and damn proud. i dont care if you dont like them or me, because to be quite honest, I'm not quite sure I like you, or people like you! If you have anything to say about me or what i have to say, please dont hesitste to ask. I'll be happy to state my opinion for you, and give you my reasoning!
NoOneButYou1975 27.03.2004 21:11	applauds freddies_chicka
jasen101 27.03.2004 21:30	hey hey hey Freddies Chicka...NEWSFLASH twat flaps: i don't like you or your stinking opinion! Go and ask yourself the following questions: How big is it? and do you think you can pull it over your head for a change instead of talking crap like that to me! ps. you disgust me more Im trying to be nice but people keep attacking me for something i took back...i feel like sinead o'conner!
Merlot 27.03.2004 21:58	not feeling much love in this thread Novel thought freddies_chicka: Why don't you try posting something without using the word 'fuck'? The title to this thread is the sort of thing I might have thought about writing when I was 12 - then thought better of it.
NoOneButYou1975 27.03.2004 22:10	Im trying to be nice but people keep attacking me for something i took back...i feel like sinead o'conner! ole washed up singer huh?...it fancies you
jasen101 27.03.2004 22:23	please stop being mean 1975. You're just too much for me.
The Real Wizard 28.03.2004 00:57	"The title to this thread is the sort of thing I might have thought about writing when I was 12 - then thought better of it." I'm getting tired of people who have taken this far too seriously. It's three words in an Internet site. Move on with your life, please. "If your intelligence is as good as your sad little rendition of brighton rock...you've got alot of catching up to do.:)" Fuck you, you empty, heartless bastard! I put my heart and soul into my guitar playing, and this particular piece wasn't meant to sound perfect. If you think you can do better, then by all means, record one and send it to QZ, and maybe they'll post it next. But I'm not in this for a competition. I sent it because I love to play, and that's what I could offer. If it's not good enough for your standards, then so be it. For the standard of having fun and people enjoying listening to another fan playing, I think it's just fine. "Maybe Virtuoso can give you some guitar lessons, old chap. I think Brian would get booed off stage if he attempted to play something like that...And by the way, i'm 21 not god know's how old you are...and i play in a real band, record at real studios, and write my own original licks. I'm also a sound engineer at a studio in vancouver, bc, canada. You should come over sometime, i'll teach you how to mic a guitar amp properly." FUCK YOU, again. You cocky son of a bitch. I know very well how to mike an amp and play the guitar. My Brighton Rock solo wasn't meant to sound professional. And I don't care who you are or where you live. I think Brian would be proud that fans are recording his music to put online in a place like this. So what if my tone isn't exactly as nice as his, and that I can't sustain 20th+ fret notes as perfectly well as he can? I'm not trying to be Brian May. I'm being me, playing something Brian May once played. Being as it's a Brian May piece, I just attempted to have a similarity to his tone and style - not replicate it. I'm not a rip-off artist. But if it satisfies your ego to continue to cut another musician to shreds, then so be it. I therefore wish you all the musical hardship and heartache the professional world has to offer. And what was the point of saying that you write original licks, something of which millions of musicians do? I've written tonnes myself, but you don't see me bragging about them. As for the intelligence issue you mentioned, permit me one moment to take from your books and be at least somewhat cocky here: I'm obviously more intelligent than you, because I'm intelligent enough not to cut other musicians to shreds when they're not at the same level as myself. I realize there are people who are far beyond my level of musical intellect and talent, and fully accept that. And if you're one of them, then that's fine! But if criticizing others by means of insults is how you talk to them, then you don't stand a chance in the real world. You may be in a real band and play in real studios, but I'm a real person with a real heart, and I don't have time to deal with conceited, judgemental, and self-centered fucks like yourself. And I see the irony in the fact that in typing this post, I spent 5 minutes doing it (that I'd really like to have back). Just leave me the hell alone on this board. I come here to have intelligent discussions (or the occasional useless few words), not justify myself to conceited pricks like you.
freddies_chicka 28.03.2004 03:05	im sorry for my rather colorful language. I never watch my language when im mad. I never use the word fuck to this extent either, so im sorry. I do need to stop cussing too.
Merlot 28.03.2004 03:29
The Real Wizard 28.03.2004 12:26	"Guitar Hero - most of your posts are facile. This one is no exception." Whatever... Figures you picked on the one part of that post convenient for you. Get a life, will you?
Merlot 28.03.2004 16:49
jasen101 28.03.2004 20:18	Fair enought Guitar Hero...i'll leave you alone if you leave me alone.
Brandon 28.03.2004 23:15	Our Canadian friend is so off-base it's astounding. His argument as to why noone should be offended is offensive in itself and the logic behind it is non-existent. Now let me be clear, I could care less what anyone says about anything. Much like Fatty, I have skin twice as thick as an elephant's backside. However, the idea that noone should be offended just because they disagree is either A) extremely ignorant or B) simply repudiating what others have clearly defined. Again, let me be crystal clear that I value what you say about as much as the homeless guy in front of Wal-Mart. But if someone was trying to silence you by any means other than self-imposed censorship by peer pressure, I would be right on your side. So basically, I'm chastising you not for your statement but for not taking responsibility for your actions and playing the victim card. Oh, and for at times sounding extremely arrogant. And quotes are a dime a dozen: “Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.” – Albert Einstein And now for Jasen... You resort to throwing insults about guitar solos (Which I thought was quite good, BTW), you make derrogatory remarks about entire groups of people and then what's worse, you edit them. I can't decide which is worse. You're not even worth my time.
The Real Wizard 29.03.2004 01:10	Brandon, you're reading waaaaaaay too far into this. Man, it's a friggin noticeboard, not a courthouse. Honestly, can you people get a life, and stop analyzing people here? And I don't care if you think I come across as arrogant. I, and those close to me know I'm the furthest thing from arrogant, and that's all that matters. I don't give a shit if some guy on a Queen noticeboard thinks that. It's your problem, not mine.
Brandon 29.03.2004 09:23	Yes... I have the problem.
deleted user 29.03.2004 09:40	Excellent post, Brandon. Apparently everybody on this board needs to get a life, from what GH says.
Daburcor? 29.03.2004 09:43	I agree, Great post!
The Real Wizard 29.03.2004 11:36	"Apparently everybody on this board needs to get a life, from what GH says." Speaking of cheap shots... When did I ever say that? I think I've said that to two zoners in all of my time posting here. It just happens to be that they were both in the last two days. When will all you people stop getting hung up on three words, and actually read everything others are saying? I never thought that three words on a noticeboard would influence people to read deep into my subconscious and lead them to decide what kind of person I am. What about DeaconFan, who said, "If you're truly comfortable in your beliefs then you won't see a minor thing like 'Jesus is gay' as any kind of threat. See it as someone else expressing their own opinion or simply making a joke." That seems to be quite similar logic to mine, but you guys seem to enjoy picking on only me. Bah, I don't care. My life goes far beyond this place, and I really don't care who agrees or disagrees with me. But if people do agree, then great! I've met a lot of great people here. But the last thing I'll do is get emotionally rattled up when someone doesn't agree with me (with one recent exception). "If you're truly comfortable in your beliefs then you won't see a minor thing like 'Jesus is gay' as any kind of threat. See it as someone else expressing their own opinion or simply making a joke." Read this again before you make your next attack, folks. (assumed permission from DeaconFan, and not plagiarism) So, since you all have so much time on your hands, why don't you pick on the guy who posted on page 1, "Jesus is a cunt"?
Penis - Vagina 29.03.2004 12:44
Brandon 29.03.2004 13:13	You didn't get my point which, looking back, wasn't entirely clear. Allow me to break my argument down to its most common base... The way I see it, you have two choices; A) acknowledge that you offended others and tell them you don't care about their feelings or what they think about what you say, or B) acknowledge you offended others, apologise, and curtail future posts accordingly. But to deny QZ denizens the right to be offended or discard the fact that they are offended is simply nonsensical. So my problem is not with what you said, but with your not taking responsibility for it.
Brandon 29.03.2004 13:21	And can I just say that these types of discussions are what keeps a notcieboard alive? With little or no new activity in the Queen world questions about favorite albums, solos, etc can only be entertaining so many times. So encouraging others to drop the discussion or stop participating in these types of controversial topics is counterproductive. The reason eveyone is involved in this is because the rest of the BB is so dead. So I like these types of discussions.
Freddie-B 29.03.2004 14:54	Jesus was gay, Freddie was blonde, 9/11 was an unfortunate set of coincidences, 8+7=89, Sex and the City's good, there's not enough money in the modern game of football, Mussolini was named after a kind of pasta, God's got a tattoo of a biker, women aren't evil, Belgian's aren't boring, and some of the people on this board doesn't need to lighten up and get a life. Let people think what they want, who's it hurting? Maybe Jesus was gay, that'd put an interesting spin on things wouldn't it!! Oh, and the reason we don't bother with Dudley is cos it's Dudley. He's just a waste of precious typing time.
Merlot 29.03.2004 18:14
Bob The Shrek 29.03.2004 19:00	I just had some rice pudding.
Janet 29.03.2004 19:11	mmm..rice pudding.
Bob The Shrek 29.03.2004 19:14	I like mine with a little dollop of bramble jam - how about you, Juanetto?
Janet 29.03.2004 19:15	i like squirty whipped cream on mine! (i wonder how jesus liked his?)
Bob The Shrek 29.03.2004 19:20	Rice pudding was too expensive way back then - if his parents had caught him with rice pudding he would have been crucified....... now there's a thought ;-)
Janet 29.03.2004 19:23	Robert Robert Robert...LOL!!! You are SUCH a bad boy!!!
Bob The Shrek 29.03.2004 19:25	Yeah, I know. Now you know why I won't be going to Buckingham Palace!
Janet 29.03.2004 19:26	btw...tell Maureen to nick me a candydish or something!!! Whoooo Hooooo! Serving my gummis in style!!! ;-)
Bob The Shrek 29.03.2004 19:34	I'll try and get Mum to persuade a butler to come over and serve the gummi's in a dish for you.
Janet 29.03.2004 19:59	quaaack quackadoodledeedledaddledoodleladeedeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Bob The Shrek 29.03.2004 20:02	WTF? I'll tell her to bring the straight jacket they used on King George III as well ;-)
Janet 29.03.2004 20:04	I'm ready for it!!! :-D
Merlot 29.03.2004 20:31
rafael smeke 29.03.2004 21:37	Who the fuck is Jesus? Are you guys talking about the title of that song from Queen I ?? What Jesus means?
The Real Wizard 29.03.2004 21:48	"Face it Guitar Hero - you are a silly little boy." Apoptosis, congratulations for taking so long in writing out the sequence of events. Have you not yet gotten the message that I don't care about the sequence of events, and that it was three bloody words that people blew out of proportion? Again, you find it fun to poke fun at me, but what about everyone else in here who's making fun of Jesus? Is it entertaining for you to watch me continue to say that I DON'T CARE ?? Move... on... with... your... life. And for the last time, stop throwing your judgements of me into this topic, or anywhere else for that matter. You're wasting your time. Thank you.
Saint Jiub 29.03.2004 21:53	I geuss Bob and Janet's fillibuster did not have its intended effect ....
The Real Wizard 29.03.2004 21:55	Oh no, they can continue. :)
Merlot 29.03.2004 22:28
NoOneButYou1975 29.03.2004 22:56	This is a forum. What am I meant to do - read your rubbish and just sit here? or just leave it be and dont post?:)
The Real Wizard 29.03.2004 23:02	"Apop's translation of the above phrase: Please... stop... being... mean to me... coz I have such a feeble mind." Oh yes, I'm crying a river over here. Please oh please, stop being ever so mean to me, for I cannot take it. "or just leave it be and dont post?:)" Since when have most QZ users and logic mixed? awaits someone's cheap shot
Merlot 29.03.2004 23:04
Daburcor? 30.03.2004 09:03	ROTFLMAO!!! Bob, Janet... You guys are NUTTERS!!!
The Real Wizard 30.03.2004 16:32	"EDIT: Dont keep editing your post - or ill be forced to suck back the kiss." No need to do that. :P Sometimes another thought comes to mind, so I have to make slight edits.
Merlot 30.03.2004 23:52	:D
the oppositionist 31.03.2004 10:24	EXCUSE ME?! If i went around saying that Allah is gay or Vishnu is a rapist or something people would jump on me and say i was spreading racial hatred or something. Id be accused of trying to cause trouble or spread intolerance. But its ok to say Jesus is gay? This is a board for talking about Queen, not slagging off other peoples religious beliefs, which is what it is, im sorry. this isnt just voicing opinion anymore. Honestly, what is this place coming to guys? Btw, who said being gay is an insult?
Fenderek 31.03.2004 12:15	<> All the time I'm actually thinking the same... All discussion is just ridiculous for GH said nothing really insulting... If saying that Jesus was gay hurt ppl's feelings, than maybe those ppl should consider themselves homophobic...?
The Real Wizard 31.03.2004 12:19	Yeah, perhaps... Okay folks, the topic has been exhausted. As I've already said many times, let's move on with our lives, alright?
Merlot 31.03.2004 12:54
~Silje~ 31.03.2004 13:19	Just have to say I loved your struggle against feathers, Apoptosis. Was highly amusing. chuckles
Merlot 31.03.2004 14:40	:D
stonecoldcrazy_84 31.03.2004 15:28	come on guitarhero you say that you "respect" everyones beliefs, I don't think so, someone who respected a person due to their beliefs, wouldn't say things like that, if someone believes that everything in the Bible is true, is not a reason to think Christianity is Mediocre, after all, you're the ONE who's right, they're wrong, you win! and no women are not second class citizens, according to the Bible. there's a passage IN the Bible that says that men and women are both leaders of Paradise. Yes, maybe back then women were more humble, and men had a lot of wives, but they also have a lot of wives to this date. Maybe it's a women's decision to live a life like that i think they can say no, and I thank you, for defending women's rights, God will be proud, Yes, I said God.
jasen101 31.03.2004 16:17	i think stone cold's had one too many.
Guy 31.03.2004 16:40	Bob, check your mail please :)
deleted user 31.03.2004 16:44	I thought this thread was dead.
Guy 31.03.2004 16:49	Obviously not...!
deleted user 31.03.2004 16:52	Nope :)
Janet 31.03.2004 16:58	ugh..i can't read it anymore...its all gotten very tedious...
The Real Wizard 31.03.2004 23:00	I quit two pages ago :P I was just repeating myself, hoping people will get the message... Let's see if they get it now.
Merlot 01.04.2004 00:58
Janet 01.04.2004 07:52	Apoptosis, you are correct, I don't have to read it. But when I used the word tedious, I meant that the thread had become so long, and the posts so long, that it was getting very difficult for ME to slog through it all. I was in no way was referring to the content of the posts, and I don't feel that I was rude in any way. I simply stated my opinion. "... This does not mean that people have the right to be rude to them for expressing their opinion." You say this, but yet you have called Guitar Hero a 'silly little boy', said that it was a shame that the posts weren't wiped from this thread during the server change-over, and made the comment that "The title to this thread is the sort of thing I might have thought about writing when I was 12 - then thought better of it." You also stated that Guitar Hero's posts were "rubbish." I may not agree with everything GH has written (that is my right), but his posts were very well written and well researched. In short, I would just like to say that this is afterall, an unmoderated forum. You enjoy the right of stating how you feel about things here, and freely give your own opinions on what people say (or shouldn't say), etc. I will enjoy that same right.
The Real Wizard 01.04.2004 12:25	"You enjoy the right of stating how you feel about things here, and freely give your own opinions on what people say (or shouldn't say), etc" Nice post overall, Janet... but there needs to be rules. People (especially newbies) just can't waltz in here throwing insults all over the place. There should be a general level of respect in here while expressing such opinions.
deleted user 01.04.2004 12:37	100% agree Bob. That is one thing I like about you. We (you and I) can have a rational discussion without the hurling of insults. And I have a lot of respect for you in doing so :)
deleted user 01.04.2004 12:37	100% agree Bob. That is one thing I like about you. We (you and I) can have a rational discussion without the hurling of insults. And I have a lot of respect for you in doing so :)
Janet 01.04.2004 14:21	GH...I agree.
Merlot 01.04.2004 14:28	Janet - it would be nice if you were to actually quote me IN CONTEXT and not use my posts willy nilly in a sad attempt to newbie bash. I said it was a shame that SOME of the posts were not wiped in the server changeover - this was a comment made well before I mentioned anything to do with GH. I do not feel that there ever is a place for what about 3 of the posts did, and 2 of them certainly had NOT been edited when I made that remark. Many forums would delete those kind of posts, fine this is an unmoderated forum, that does not those posts acceptable. I thought the post title was silly - so I said so, but again, my post was actually mainly aimed at someone else. Guitar hero then told me to get a life - again and again. Expressing an opinion is fine, insulting people is not. Yep - I called him a silly little boy. By that stage he had told me to get a life at least once if not twice. I cant be bothered with you any further Janet. In future please quote people fairly and accurately.
Daburcor? 01.04.2004 14:35	defends Janet
Janet 01.04.2004 14:36	Cool Apoptosis. I don't have much use for you either.
stonecoldcrazy_84 01.04.2004 15:02	to guitar hero, I an not a "newbie" I just decided to log in to queenzone, and to the other guy, I hate alcohol, it makes me puke :.S. ...Oh yeah, come on there was no such thing as rice pudding back then, especially toppings :-/
Freddie-B 01.04.2004 15:03	Huh?? Why is it that every thread on this board ends up as a slanging match?!? It's so funny, who cares?? Seriously, just give each other your numbers and have a slanging match over the phone! Save the rest of us the bother of reading the chuff, since it's about as interesting as watching paint grow. Or something. Anyway, the post wasn't about Jesus in the first place!
Penis - Vagina 01.04.2004 15:13
Merlot 01.04.2004 15:38
deleted user 01.04.2004 15:45	Why are people picking on Janet?! She has said nothing that didn't need to be said in the first place. Who are these people?
Guy 01.04.2004 15:56	Bob, have you missed my post? Cries :P
Daburcor? 01.04.2004 16:07	I don't think anyone here has any right to say anything other than something kind to, nor about Janet. ESPECIALLY someone who's only been here for about a month. Janet is one of the nicest, most intelligent posters here, Not to mention a veteran zoner. I think newer posters should be respectful to Janet, And all of the other veterans.
Merlot 01.04.2004 18:29
iron eagle 01.04.2004 19:14	as always i am sure Janet can take care of herself- a true lady in every sense... as always the problem newbies seem to continually fail to realize and/or automatically assume incorrectly is a clique-- is that many posters here have been posting for years-- there is a familararity with each other- some affection- both positive and negative LOL that alot of us have actually met and interacted in real life--why we even accept the fact some cant spell or use proper grammer for a damn! they ,as we ,also seem to fail to realize that regulars whom we converse with, may know and understand our sense of humour or intentions in postings and something said may easily be taken the wrong way by those who do not-- these are corrected in time by all parties taking the time to get to know one another before starting the name calling, or deciding ones intent or meaning,assuming the worst etc. the zone has it faults-its not without it it also has many good things going for it- all in a unmoderated dont have to fear of being banned enviorment. now go forth my children....be excellent to each other and party on dudes
Janet 01.04.2004 19:26	Paulie, you're the greatest :-) hugs
Merlot 01.04.2004 19:28
Merlot 01.04.2004 19:30
deleted user 01.04.2004 19:46	"You consider manipulating peoples words being ladylike....... LMAO" - I'd say your use of manipulation does not apply to this situation. Janet is nothing close to being manipulating. I find it rather odd that Janet said this topic had become tedious, then she was unwillingly dragged into an argument.
Daburcor? 01.04.2004 19:49	"Janet is nothing close to being manipulating." Agreed.
Merlot 01.04.2004 20:06
deleted user 01.04.2004 20:21	How is Janet's saying the topic is tedious an insult to you? Or why should it affect you at all? That is her opinion, so she is free to state it if she pleases. Oh, and you will come to find that people do post in topics things that will not have anything to do with the topic. The "filibuster" was an example of this...and meant to be light-hearted. But seeing as Janet is so manipulative (and I bet that Bob The Shrek is, too), I'm guessing they don't have senses of humor.
deleted user 01.04.2004 20:29	Please guys....can't we just TRY to get along? There has been way too much of this lately. Peace is much more fun...so is smiling :)
Merlot 01.04.2004 20:38
iron eagle 01.04.2004 20:54	please someone call the ambulance my nitro is not working properly i keep reading that janet suddenly has become the alexis carrington colby of this board.... and then to hear that the shrek maybe now crowned as a manipulative basher..... oh alice i am coming home.......
deleted user 01.04.2004 21:02	Hey guys...just consider the source. Anyone who knows anything about this place knows the truth about Janet, you (IE), Ms.James and Bob. You all are very good people, and the majority will say so. So don't let the insignificant bother you.
deleted user 01.04.2004 21:06	"I really cannot be bothered anymore. I was not making a blanket statement - and no I dont think Bob the Shrek - whoever he may be is manipulative." - You didn't know Janet at all either, but you implied that she is manipulative. And hey, I don't want to argue either! I'm just saying that you should get to know people on the board and then see what you think of them. I'm sure if you knew Janet at all, you'd come to find that she is one of the nicest people on this board. I'm not such an ogre all the time either. ;^)
Merlot 01.04.2004 21:09	For the record - I never said that anyone was or is manipulative. Please stop suggesting that I did.
Merlot 01.04.2004 21:12
Merlot 01.04.2004 21:19
deleted user 01.04.2004 22:01	Apoptosis wrote: Matt I have been here long enough to read quite a few of your posts, under your present username or another. And.......
jasen101 01.04.2004 23:29	There are a bunch of idiots on here that think they're special because they've been throwing up the same boring crap on these boards for the last few years. My message to you is: if you can't take other peoples opinions, regardless of how long they've been posting here, don't read the posts! This is supposed to be a place for Queen fans to come together and express their opinions...nowhere does it say private members only may post. I applaude the the site in not banning people for simply stating their own opinions, no matter how left field. It's called freedom of fucking expression. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT too bad!!!
jasen101 01.04.2004 23:33	who is this janet bitch anyway?
jasen101 01.04.2004 23:34	nevermind...i dont care who the hell she is
Saint Jiub 01.04.2004 23:38	I have a prophesy: The new board will crash before the Ides of April when this post reaches its 26th page. Anyway Janet was very wrong. This topic is way beyond tedious. These types of silly arguments usually die out before reaching the 10th page. I sincerely hope that this does not occur. Let it go. The battles have run their course. What is there to gain for anyone to continue this nonsense?
The Real Wizard 02.04.2004 00:32	"For that matter I even kissed GH's nose, but ppl would not let it lie." And it wasn't me who did that. :P "Let it go. The battles have run their course. What is there to gain for anyone to continue this nonsense?" Man, I quit on page 6.
Janet 02.04.2004 07:34	Here is the Janet Bitch. Hello Jasen. I don't believe we've met.
iGSM 02.04.2004 08:20	Cyril Connelly? No, semi-carnally! Oh.
deleted user 02.04.2004 08:53	Hey, Janet...I've been called a bitch before, too - we match! ;^)
Janet 02.04.2004 09:18	Don't you just love being a part of that elite club Alli? ;-) In all seriousness, I would like to apologize if I said anything to upset Apoptosis. I don't like to start out on the wrong foot with new folks, and with her I obviously did. Its hard to understand people's feelings and know their humor, etc, on a noticeboard when no other emotion can be seen, especially when you don't really know each other yet. I hope that we can put this behind us. :-)
iron eagle 02.04.2004 09:41	daddy eagle bitch welcomes you i will send to you later your bitch materials included will be how to be a bitch handbook code of conduct a video to teach you the highly secret bitch hand signals and keyboard typing bitch codes we meet twice a week for chat-- of course we call them 'bitch sessions' welcome
Janet 02.04.2004 09:52	ooooooo!! I'm there!!! :-D
Merlot 02.04.2004 10:26
deleted user 02.04.2004 15:16	Oh yeah, Janet. ;^) LOL Paulie!!
The Real Wizard 02.04.2004 16:35	lol! That was awesome, i_e
jasen101 02.04.2004 18:43	Janet: everyone knows im the biggest bitch here. So, gurl...take it as a compliment that you're an honerary bitch;)
Janet 02.04.2004 18:51	honorary bitch eh??? I guess I can live with that... ;-)
Daburcor? 02.04.2004 18:55	"honorary bitch eh??? I guess I can live with that... ;-)" LOL!
iron eagle 02.04.2004 19:07	hmmph unless you know the secret bitch handshake from the coven of bitches your just a bitchwannabe :)
Janet 02.04.2004 19:41	Paulie, I might just make that my signature ;-)
deleted user 02.04.2004 19:57	LOL Paulie - you're too much, you stud. ;^) giggle @ Janet's signature.
jasen101 04.04.2004 03:35	i think it's finally dead...and i got the last word! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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Jesus is gay