| KEVPAR 26.01.2004 04:49 |
Argh! this makes me so fucking angry! how dare you Brian and Roger!? im sooo fucking disappointed in you both...what has happened to your dignity? WHY ARE YOU MAKING AN ADVERT!? you are rock stars, you're not sales men....now sadly you're just more shills at the capitalist gang bang...every word you now say is suspect, every word you say is like a turd falling into my drink.....its a fucking disgrace...you do a commercial, you're off the artistic roll call...forever...I dont care if you shit mona Lisa's out of ur ass as a party trick ur a fucking evil piece of shit...I'm so disappointed in you both....PEPSI for fuck sake!!! ITS NOT LIKE YOU NEED THE MONEY! DOES NO ONES SEE THIS IS EVIL!?? link Kev x |
| ogre t raylot 26.01.2004 04:51 |
Not ONLY an advery for Pepsi, but a subliminal advert for the musical. killing two birds with one stone. |
| Lawyeris 26.01.2004 05:03 |
"Not ONLY an advery for Pepsi, but a subliminal advert for the musical." Right! Especially when they are going to open WWRY in states. |
| sully5059 26.01.2004 05:10 |
KEVPAR's anger makes baby Jesus cry :( |
| ogre t raylot 26.01.2004 05:23 |
"Right! Especially when they are going to open WWRY in states." Still doesn't alter Kevpars argument. They didn't become corporate whores by advertising with Pepsi - they became corporate whores the minute they signed to Trident/EMI. The only difference being, when they signed to Trident they had a product I was interested in and worthy of buying. |
| Penetration_Guru 26.01.2004 05:39 |
Does this mean that we're all stopping the Ford boycott and boycotting pepsi now? How dare.... Brian advertise a car! They clog up the air with pollutants! Queen allow IWTBF to be used to sell petrol! It's so expensive/inefficient/unevironmental! etc etc etc |
| YourValentine 26.01.2004 06:38 |
There was a time when Queen fans considered themselves lucky when they were extras in Queen videos, now Queen members play extras in a commercial starring other artists, that's quite a career. I would have thought they are too proud for that but it's not my choice or my reputation, so I won't lose any sleep. Money was always important for the band, that's nothing new, only the methods have changed. You can read "As It Began" as a long list of complaints about the ever increasing variety of releases forcing the collecting fans to buy up to six various packages of the same song. Freddie was always very open about money being a driving force for the band (much to the dismay of the other members) but he made it sound funny so the fans took no offense. Except for the Sun City affair, the band never really lost much support by their fans although they were criticised a lot by the British press. As long as people buy the records, why kill the goose that lays the golden eggs (two Freddie quotes in one sentence.) |
| Spiderleg Synthia 26.01.2004 07:07 |
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| QueenSite 26.01.2004 07:15 |
Queen re-release WWRY (normal, live, remixed or covered) on cd single at least twice a year since 1992 and it's always a hit. This is just an example, commercially they are right, from an artists'point of view, well... |
| Togg 26.01.2004 08:18 |
I say, get a get a f****** grip! Queen are a rock band not a bunch of hippies, you can't get much more 'corporate'than Queen, did you ever go to a show? record labels don't spend that much without getting it back and Queen were one of the biggest. It's always about money that's what makes it possible to make albums, do tours and make videos, and Queen has always been about world domination of thier chosen field. All this bitching about selling out to Pepsi is rediculas, it's rock for god sake that's what happens, if you want pure non adulterated entertainment go down to your local folk club. Rock is about selling out selling big and making money, all the seventies bands understood that and went after it with both hands wide open. And Queen did it better than most, now the best thing about all this is the fact that it will expose the music to an even young bunch of people and might get some more kids into Queen. Apart from that, live with it it's an advert for gods sake! |
| YourValentine 26.01.2004 08:57 |
It's always the same: we discuss something and someone feels the need to tell us to get over it, get a life and how good it is that new fans are recruited through a Pepsi commercial. I do not think that Rock music is only about money, I really think that art and creativity are a part of it. And anger and emotions. Whenever you hear Brian May talk about Queen he speaks about the genuineness,originality and emotional component of his music, - at least he did before he focussed on marketing issues and redefined the term "artistic". Of course, marketing is important and of course artists want to be the best paid but there is a difference between promoting an album, tour, video and producing a million dollar soft drink commercial and force it on the unsuspecting audience of the musical. |
| Togg 26.01.2004 09:14 |
You seriously think after a kid gets handed his first royalty cheque for the single he wrote it stays being about art! Look it's a business like it or not and like any normal person the more you get paid the more you want, you don't think Brian and Roger treat it as anything other than a business do you? Sure they get to do a great job instead of standing on a factory floor, but it's still a job that involves huge corporate machines to make happen. So what it's a bloody advert, nobody is bombing Japan, nobody is selling drugs, it's an advert for a soft drink, Rock stars like hearing their stuff out there in whatever form, and yes it will maybe attract people to the musical, but guess what thats what they want because it make them money!!! As Roger would say "we thank you from the bottom of our Aston Martins!!" Folks, the music business is just that a business, just be glad there are folks in it as talented as Queen so we don't have to listen to total crap all the time, and if it makes you happy don't drink Pepsi, but for gods sake wake up |
| Hank H. 26.01.2004 11:06 |
"Folks, the music business is just that a business, just be glad there are folks in it as talented as Queen so we don't have to listen to total crap all the time, and if it makes you happy don't drink Pepsi, but for gods sake wake up" Togg, I don't see any of Queen's talent anywhere in what they did in the last nine years, but I do have the feeling they want to persuade me to listen to what they produce nowadays, and that in fact is total Crap with capital c. There also is a difference between promoting new music almost every year and promoting very old music for years. Creatively our guys have absolutely nothing to offer, musically they are completely dried out. Exception: three songs for 46664. Why not promote them? They have all the money and all the possibilities any creative person dreams of to record whatever they want. If they were interested in music to some extent, they could record whatever they want and release it, no matter if anyone buys it. Maybe they do exactly that, do what they like, but I'm sorry in that case they are irrecoverable. Furthermore, I understand Roger better than Brian, at least he doesn't pretend to be doing anything else besides moneymaking. "Apart from that, live with it it's an advert for gods sake!" Apart from that, I live with it very well. I don't use a TV and therefore don't have to be apprehensive of being forced to watch such bullshit. |
| KEVPAR 26.01.2004 11:35 |
What real rock star would do an ad!? "Its John Bonham for Snickers!.." "Sometimes I'm doing a drum solo and I haven’t eaten in 3 fuckin weeks...I eat a SNICKERS!" Fuck off man....if u cant see why adverts are evil then there is something wrong with you... If you cant see why adverts are contrary to the spirit of rock then there is something wrong with you...If you cant see that from now on, everything that Brian and Roger say is going to be suspect, hollow and filled with nothing...if their dignity can be bought with money and their talent can be whored out to sell products that we don’t need to make fat cats richer and shit on the poor then ur a fucking evil fuck as well... Brian and Roger PLEASE don’t... You dont need money that is built on blood Kev x |
| wstüssyb 26.01.2004 11:43 |
a simple solution u dont like it, ignore it. |
| KEVPAR 26.01.2004 11:55 |
No, because they mean a lot to me...I'm concerned, saddened and disappointed :'-( Kev x |
| Togg 26.01.2004 12:00 |
Adverts are evil... What ARE you bleeting on about Grow up, if you think an advert is evil you sure haven't experienced much in life |
| Brandon 26.01.2004 12:06 |
Advetrs are evil?? *LOL* That's a good one. Brian and ROger are career musicians, therefore hey mkae their money off of their music. What's the big deal with them doing a commerical? Eh, I'm with Togg - get a life. |
| MexQueenFM 26.01.2004 12:08 |
agree with William on this one |
| Hank H. 26.01.2004 12:11 |
"a simple solution u dont like it, ignore it." Too simple for me, plus I would not want to read a boring forum without messages about what people don't like. |
| Togg 26.01.2004 12:16 |
What real rock star would do an ad!? Well, not all rock stars but he's a list for you Steve Tyler Alice Cooper Lemmie Roger Daltery Elton John BB King Madonna And the list goes on... |
| sully5059 26.01.2004 12:19 |
"You dont need money that is built on blood" Ahh, so that's Pepsi's secret ingredient... |
| Brandon 26.01.2004 12:23 |
What real rock star would do an ad!? Well, not all rock stars but he's a list for you Steve Tyler Alice Cooper Lemmie Roger Daltery Elton John BB King Madonna And the list goes on... Or perhaps you could say, "And the beat goes on" and list Cher. Also, Michael Jackson, The Beatles (Songs at least), and Brian and Roger (Not including the Pepsi ad.) It shoukd surprise noone that Queen are a commercial band (who happen make outstanding music)because there is a weekly roundup of sales on their official site! |
| Togg 26.01.2004 12:26 |
Kevpar I think you need to take some meds and calm down. Money from blood, what are you on? how old are you 12, go grow up a little and come back when you have something sensible to say PS sorry to anyone who is 12, I'm sure you have more smarts than the Kevster! |
| Daburcor? 26.01.2004 12:49 |
"What real rock star would do an ad!? Well, not all rock stars but he's a list for you Steve Tyler Alice Cooper Lemmie Roger Daltery Elton John BB King Madonna And the list goes on..." Does anyone rememberthe ads that Alice Cooper did a few years back? The ones where he was sitting in a study wearing sweaters and the like along with his stage make-up? Those ads were great! By the way, Is this "ueen+ Pop whores" add going to air in the USA? |
| Lester Burnham 26.01.2004 13:06 |
Brandon, are you drunk? But I agree with you and pretty much everyone defending Queen. It's only a stupid advert, nothing to have a coronary about. And for KEVPAR screaming that adverts are evil, I'll agree with him there. I'm in the process of becoming a graphic designer, hoping to work for an ad agency. But, it all depends on your perspective of the advertising world. If there were no advertisements, television and radio would not exist. Magazines and newspapers would not exist. While the aforementioned mediums may have been "invented", they certainly would not have the funding that large corporations can shell out to keep the mediums going strong. While we may bitch about TV being completely ridden with adverts, we have to remember that without those adverts, that particular channel would go bottom-up without the money to back it. Now, getting back to the point - Brian, in the last few years, has effectively become the publicist for Queen: always deciding what goes on in the press, and becoming very vocal when someone contradicts or criticizes him. He refuses to admit that it's all about the money. He tends to think that, by creating an advert with three of the hottest stars and a rerecording of one of Queen's biggest hits, the band will stay mainstream and on people's minds. The musical is nice and all (strictly in terms of publicity - I haven't seen it, and don't plan on seeing it when it comes to America), but sometimes it's not enough. Not all of the music lovers of the world go to the theater, even if it is a musical based on Queen's music. Even the term "musical" will turn off some serious music lovers - I, for one, envision a horrible, "Hello Dolly!"-esque scenario being cast upon Queen, and I don't like that. However, if I'm doing something in the house, and the television is on, and 'We Will Rock You' comes blasting on, I immediately stop what I'm doing and watch. Why? Not because it's a song I've heard a million and one times before, but because it's a song by one of my favorite bands. I won't go out and buy a Pepsi because I saw Queen on TV (I already drink Pepsi). I won't go out and buy a Nissan or a Hummer because The Who are on TV. But I will stop what I'm doing and watch, because - usually - the adverts are very creative and sometimes interesting. I still get a kick out of that go-kart Hummer commercial, all because of 'Happy Jack'. If the commercial is done WELL, or at least has a humor about it, then I have no problem with any music being in an advert. And you have to consider how boring an advert would be without music to back up what's going on - sometimes what the commercial is selling can't be expressed by words or an announcer. You really have to keep all sorts of things in mind and realize that, while Queen (or whatever they are these days) have become corporate whores in your eyes, it's only a stupid advert. |
| Krizzy 26.01.2004 13:23 |
Ahem! First off I agree in principle with KEVPAR but Queen probably needed a corporate sponsor for the musical. Despite all the ranting and raving and screamming and yelling about the Pepsi corporate "take-over". I still am glad to see the two of them (Brian and Roger)and Queen's music "out in-front" of the public and since they never really went away come the mid-section of 2004 WWRY should bring Queen to the forefront in the US once again sans Mercury. Now before you all start cursing and throwing all kinds of epithets and other choice words at me. Remember this is America the home of Gillette Stadium, the Staples center, the Dunkin Donuts Center (in RI), the Tweeter Center (in MA) and the feast de resistance The Continental Airlines Arena (in NJ). The musical would probably not get off the ground without PepsiCo's corporate backing. ***Krizzy prepares to duck at the onslaught of objects thrown at her*** Kriz ;o) |
| ogre t raylot 26.01.2004 13:33 |
And remember the UK leg of the Magic Tour was sponsored by Harp Larger - so the cry of 'Corporate Whores' is 18 years late. |
| Brandon 26.01.2004 14:38 |
Why would you ask if I'm drunk? *LOL* Also, didn't Adidas chunk a lot of money Queen's way for years in turn for the band wearing their shoes and all? |
| Banquo 26.01.2004 15:38 |
I'll pass judgement when I have actually heard it. Which should be the basis for any judgement. |
| sully5059 26.01.2004 16:06 |
(Probably) the first report about the premiere: link |
| Lester Burnham 26.01.2004 16:12 |
Nice how Queen aren't mentioned until the absolutely last paragraph. |
| Saffron Caribou 26.01.2004 17:42 |
This thread is hilarious. Let Kevpar have his say about this. I personally do not care about the commercial, they can do whatever they like. I think this whole Pepsi venture is a joke, and I would have a hearty laugh when I see this advert. I am the one that had been posting topics about the adverts, its a message board after all, its a way to keep fans informed and to create discussion. As Brandon puts it, if everyone agreed that this venture from Brian and Roger was great, this MB would be boring. Its all about listening to different points of view. Kevpar has his own, Adam you have yours, I have mine. |
| Penetration_Guru 26.01.2004 17:44 |
Nike provided crew shirts in 82, as well. Plus, technically, Queen have previous with Pepsi - wasn't the Bo Rhap Mountain Dew ad popular though? Interesting what we choose to dislike.... |
| sully5059 26.01.2004 18:31 |
Another premiere report, with quotes from Brian and a picture of the 3 ladies with Roger in the background: link |
| Mr Mercury 26.01.2004 18:41 |
Having seen the ad earlier on tv, I have to say its not the "epic" that I expected it to be. Dont get me wrong, as an advert its not bad but its not the standard I had expected from what I gather Brian had said. As for the music, Rog's drums were OK but Brians guitar work got lost in the mix somewhere (at least it sounded that way to me). 6 out of 10 for trying. |
| geeksandgeeks 26.01.2004 20:43 |
I thought I was safe on this board from hearing about corporate whores... I guess I was wrong. |
| Saffron Caribou 26.01.2004 21:32 |
Well this is sort of related to the "w" word. Teehee link link Under Jan 26th date Britney and Bettlejuice :P |
| KEVPAR 27.01.2004 05:11 |
UK: link USA: link Yes i am aware of the irony of advertising these...but its not me that is making money out of them...honestly tho, buy it, its well worth it, this item and his others. Honestly you can really have ur mind opened by this guy :-) was a genius Kev x |
| fat bottomed girl 7238 27.01.2004 05:56 |
Hi guys Well I hope not offend anyone (virtually impossible) but I would just like to say I don't feel like Bri + Rog are selling out at all. Why shouldn't they make a Pepsi commercial? Apart from it grossing them about £2 million quid each - what better way to advertise the launch of the WWRY musical in the states then using a global product such as Pepsi to launch it. If anything Rog + Bri have been very astute to use this method of advertising. And If it brings the 'Queen' name to a new generation of fans then so much the better. Or would you just rather let the Queen name die a death. No new projects = no new fans... - Get a grip FBG!!! |
| doggy 27.01.2004 07:06 |
I think it's great that the whole world are going to be hearing WWRY a lot more - hopefully that will continue to build on the "reminding" folks that Queen existed and how good their music was. |
| Saffron Caribou 27.01.2004 19:18 |
I'll stick to Coke. I wonder why Diet Pepsi is too sweet?! |
| Saffron Caribou 27.01.2004 19:19 |
Bill Hicks, one of the best American satirists ever. Pity he lived so short. |
| SallyJ. 27.01.2004 19:38 |
"As for Pepsi, well, it's great WWRY is being used to advertise it, but I won't buy Pepsi. It contains GM ingredients like Aspartame, which is poisonous and has been blamed for brain cancer, epileptic seizures, nausea, blurred vision, skin itching and a few other things. This chemical sweetner rates over 3,000 complaints to the Food and Drug Administration - the most they have ever received. Saccharin has been PROVEN to cause bladder cancer and has been banned from general use in Canada, New Zealand and several European countries. As for Caffeine, well that's been linked to 6 different types of cancer as well and causes birth defects in children. Soft drinks in general cause osteoporosis, obesity, tooth decay and cancer." Oh dear.... isn't being alive dangerous!! The thing is, you can have all of the above, quite safe, really. Just not ALL the time. But that goes for almost anything, right? Variation is the magic word! ;-)) |
| Saint Jiub 27.01.2004 23:48 |
Brian and Roger have done collaborations and commercials in the previous millenium without much if any fan backlash. However, this current millenium many fans appear to be bitter about such projects. Why is that? Perhaps the general absence in this milenium of new music and previously unreleased archive material appear to have spurred some of this "ill will". Of course, calling commercials evil is outrageous, even by my standards. |
| Kuku 28.01.2004 16:20 |
>>Queen's music "out in-front" of the public and since they never really went away come the mid-section of 2004 WWRY should bring Queen to the forefront in the US once again sans Mercury. << "Sans Mercury" is a big deal, dear. But anyways, I would rather like an ad with only Brian and Roger in it, as a fan. Yes, it bothers me that those three singers sing WWRY. (And why do I get this feeling that people are furious about the ad because of those three, not because Bri and Rog are selling out?) HOWEVER, without those little things that are cheap and impure, Queen's name would hardly get across. Most of my friends don't know and care about Queen, but they have heard of BoRhap or WWRY because of the sellouts. Who knows? If that kind of thing converts more people to Queen fans...? |