| Whatinthewhatthe? 25.01.2004 18:50 |
I had my entire Queen collection appraised this weekend (for my homeowners' insurance, an annual thing) and thanks to a lot of people on this list's help and advise with their great websites and information, my collection is worth so much more than last year's appraisal!! Is anyone else here as serious a collector as I, and wants to protect theirs as much as possible? (My Beatles collection eclipses it -- it's worth more than my house now!) Good news though -- like Beatle memorabilia, Queen is coming up also. Especially the original stuff! It increases yearly and that makes me very happy. According to Eil.com, they're the fifth most collectable band worldwide, and that is quite a feat! |
| Rusty 25.01.2004 19:42 |
Okay, honey, you opened up this wormbin. You're happy because your collection is worth more than you thought ($ wise, I assume). So...does this mean you only collect Queen to sell it one day? Or will you NEVER sell? I'ts the age old Ebay question..... |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 25.01.2004 20:58 |
Rusty, what "wormbin" did I open? I asked an honest question to serious collectors. I'm sure you're one of them, otherwise you wouldn't have answered. A lot of people on this list have put a lot of time, effort and money into their collections and add to them from time to time via garage sales, used record stores, private sellers and yes Ebay, the world's market. I've been a collector since the first Queen album came out in 1973, so it's been about 31 years now and I'm still at it. How about yourself? :-) |
| Ms.Lurex 25.01.2004 21:31 |
wow lisa! i'd probably die if i seen your collection!! so what one queen item do you own that you would consider the most valuable $ wise, and what queen item means the most to you personally? |
| Mr. Scully 26.01.2004 03:04 |
I was thinking of insuring my Queen collection too but I'm too lazy. What's the value of your stuff, Liza and how did you calculate the prices? I mean - some 7" singles can cost $5 on ebay.com but $150 on eil.com I guess my collection is worth about 8000-10000 dollars (which is still only a percentage of what other people have - Henrique, tell us about your collection :-) |
| QueenSite 26.01.2004 03:47 |
me too some years ago asked a guy who works for an insurance company if I could ensure my collection and he said that it was not possible, my thousands of Queen vinyl/cds/memorabilia would be calculated as "second hand stuff" as I could not demostrate that, for example, my german Now I'm here is worth 20 euros while the french on is worth 10 times more. Moreover, for signed stuff I would have needed a declaration of the person who signed the stuff (in this case Queen) or their legal representatives/relatives. I gave up, I know my collection is worth a lot and I won't sell it, and this is enough for me |
| Queenland 26.01.2004 11:53 |
> Henrique, tell us about your collection :-) Believe it or not, I have no idea! I frequently think about insuring it, but the marathon task of evaluating every item AND to keep the values and list of items up to date every year when renewing the insurance apolice always made me forget the idea :-/ I know, I know, if my appartment goes on fire I will regret :-( Also I think it will not be easy to find a company in my country that understands the value of this kind of collection, as Queensite said. From what I have looked around (here), in general they seem to make insurances only of paintings and art objects collections, things like that. |
| wstüssyb 26.01.2004 13:44 |
my dad's Beatles collection is worth about $250,000 USD. Glad im a only child. |
| MexQueenFM 26.01.2004 13:46 |
whoa!!! 250,000!!! , man, at least the beatles were good for something |
| Penis - Vagina 26.01.2004 14:07 |
I think mine's less than $600. I'm not really a 'collector', I just buy the CDs to get the music I want, not every variation of artwork, or memorabilia. |
| Pim Derks 26.01.2004 15:38 |
Mine's probably worth around $5000 - but "het is maar net wat een gek er voor geeft". |
| Ron 26.01.2004 15:49 |
mine used to be US$ 22,000 but Im selling a lot now. dont know its current value |
| Brian_Mays_Wig 26.01.2004 18:51 |
Mines worth about 6-10 thousand £££, my mother told me to value it and photograph it, but it takes forever! |
| Rusty 28.01.2004 11:16 |
Dear Lady in Red: Sounds like EVERYONE missed my question, which I thought would provoke a little discussion. So here it is in different shorter words. Does everyone collect to collect, or collect for the money? Simpler? |
| Mr. Scully 28.01.2004 11:34 |
Almost nobody collects for money. I don't know about others but I collect for the joy of it - it's very exciting to find something new, to get something which is very rare or something which once belonged to a Queen member (for example). |
| Penetration_Guru 28.01.2004 12:03 |
I collect for money and the collection - if I saw, for example, an absolute bargain somewhere, I'd buy it to sell, whereas if I saw something I wanted, I'd pay however much it was worth to me. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 28.01.2004 14:07 |
WOW!! I am so overwhelmed by the responses! Leah -- until Breakthru 2003, the worthiest Queen item I own are my bootlegs! (Vinyl of course) Now, it's the certificate I won for runner-up in the Costume Contest (as the Great Pretender Red-y Freddie), signed by both Brian and Roger in Sharpie marker, and that famous "rain-washed" Miracle t-shirt I won at the auction (that Brian signed, though it's a bit faded from the rainwater, and actually wore per my COA that Jacky finally sent). Martin and Rusty: I collect for the fun of it also. I equate it to a hunt sometimes -- the more scarce the Queen item, the more I want it and pursue it until it's mine!! (LOL) I got prices from Eil.com, private collectors and those nice people at Goldmine Magazine and Great Escape in Nashville, TN. BTW, value of the Queen collection was $23 K. My Beatle collection is appreciating again, worth $325 G now. Most worthy piece: original Butcher Block album cover, promo copy, mint condition (not wrapped), $10,500. Note to collectors: the more original the item, the more it appreciates in value, especially those certified autographs!! (Freddie's is worth close to $1000 depending on age and condition.) |
| inu-liger 28.01.2004 14:10 |
But when you collector's die, who's going to have your Queen collections, assuming they're worth equally as much as they are now, if not more in the future? |
| QueenSite 28.01.2004 18:39 |
I'm going to have a mausuleum made and be buried with my collection..you won't put your sticky hands on it! ;) |
| Penis - Vagina 28.01.2004 18:45 |
"But when you collector's die, who's going to have your Queen collections, assuming they're worth equally as much as they are now, if not more in the future?" I always wonder about that. The DVDs, the Queen stuff, and the porno. I hope it all ends up in good hands. I'm hoping I have a long drawn-out and fatal illness so I have time to sell stuff first. |
| inu-liger 28.01.2004 18:46 |
Oooh, you know I'll outlive you, if you know what I mean ;) Nah, maybe one of these days if I have the money, I'll buy your wonderful collection |
| inu-liger 28.01.2004 18:47 |
But then, who would buy the records after I die? Questions, questions questions :P |
| Megamike The GREAT 28.01.2004 18:58 |
I know I spent over 15 thousand dollars on my collection and due to a very bad run of luck I sold a lot of it for a lot less than I paid for them... and now I am down to just a handful of items and probably gonna sell them too. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 28.01.2004 19:10 |
When you've been collecting Beatle stuff since childhood and Queen stuff since your teenage years, it would be too hard to part with anything. So many memories associated with all that stuff, ya know!! |
| Mr. Scully 29.01.2004 02:51 |
Lisa, don't get me wrong but are you sure your Queen collection is worth $23000 if your most valuable items are bootlegs and some signed items? Look, I have plenty of signed items (incl. Freddie), concert contracts, many tour itineraries that I got from roadies, hundreds of old ticket stubs, rare programs, some stuff from making of Queen videos, invitation to Freddie's birthday party, scrapbooks from people who were hired by Queen, original setlists from the stage, original Roger's drumstick from the concert and heaps of other (not so rare) items and I estimate the total value to $8000-10000. What's in your collection that makes you think it's worth so much? |
| Spisso 29.01.2004 04:06 |
I'm with Lisa |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 29.01.2004 19:39 |
Martin -- LOTS of original promotional material helped jack up the worth of everything! The Billboard ad, a simple, black page from December 1991 with only "Freddie Mercury -- 1946-1991" with the Queen crest in white was worth $550 alone since it ran only one issue. Magazines, books, concert T-shirts, ticket stubs, playing cards (a very rare promotional item!), Freddie signatures and other memorabilia, along with bootlegs, original promotional vinyl (+ 45s), picture discs, fan club merchandise...it adds up! I wish there were a book Those Beatle bubblegum cards -- WOW! The Queen promo playing cards are more obscure than that but haven't been floating around for almost 40 years. (GOD I feel so OLD!!!!!) |
| Mr. Scully 30.01.2004 03:42 |
The problem is that the prices should be set like "what would others pay for this if I wanted to sell it?", not like "it was a limited edition so it must be worth hundreds". That's why I for example suppose that each of my Freddie's signatures is worth $150-$200, not more. The prices between $500-$1000 that you mentioned are silly, nobody would ever pay that. I think same counts for the Billboard ad - even if your ad was the only surviving ad from that issue, it's still only a printed magazine ad. Do you seriously think it's worth much more than for example an original 1975 tour itinerary from a roadie (which I rated as a $150 item)? If you put this ad on ebay, would anybody pay more than $20 for it? Again, don't get me wrong, I agree with you there should be some kind of book which would solve these discussions. On the other hand, there are so many thousands of Queen items that 99% of people don't know of. Making of the book would take forever. |
| Penetration_Guru 30.01.2004 04:29 |
A ten year old copy of of Billboard is not worth $550. Nothing the fanclub has produced is worth major amounts (Cross bootleg tapes probably the highest). Having said that, I'm sure I speak for Martin as well when I say we're not criticising you, Lisa, we just feel that your assessor is being more than generous. If he valued my collection that generously, I'd burn it the following day, claim, and buy 3 replacements of everything.... |
| Penis - Vagina 30.01.2004 04:32 |
I wonder.. is The Crown Jewels still worth the $135 most places charge for it when Disney has it at closeout on Ebay for $35? :) |
| Penetration_Guru 30.01.2004 04:32 |
Here you go - almost every issue of the year for $100 link |
| Queenland 30.01.2004 08:00 |
> there should be some kind of book which would solve these discussions There is a "hand made" book - The Andreas Voigts Collector Discography, which is also a price guide. However, it was done/researched before the eBay era so many values do not reflect today's market. I don't know if the current edition has been adjusted (my edition is from 2000). |
| PieterMC 30.01.2004 08:04 |
$550 for an ad? You would have to be out of your mind to pay that for an ad. I cannot believe for a moment that an ad could be worth that much. |
| Mr. Scully 30.01.2004 08:19 |
Henrique - the Andreas Voigts book deals only with records (if I remember correctly) and not with memorabilia of any kind. My method is based on ebay :-) I always ask myself "have you ever seen this item on ebay before and what was the price?" Even the megarare items were on ebay at least once in last five years so it can give a good idea about the price. |
| Baby_B 30.01.2004 08:23 |
"The Billboard ad, a simple, black page from December 1991 with only "Freddie Mercury -- 1946-1991" with the Queen crest in white was worth $550 alone since it ran only one issue" .... one issue of what? The magazine or the advert? Any number of tens of thousands magazines would have come out of a single print run. In fact, I have that advert myself. I am not doubting what you say, but I really can't see the value in something that appeared as a once off along with every other piece of journalism from the same issue in which it was published. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 30.01.2004 08:28 |
I didn't pay a red cent for that Billboard ad -- a friend gave me the whole issue, which was very nice of him! Speaking of Billboards, I have two John Lennon issues (after his death) with whole-page tributes and one of George Harrison (when he won the first Billboard Lifetime Achievement award in the late 80s) that are worth more than the Freddie Mercury whole-page tribute/obit. The National Enquirer issue with the famous picture of John Lennon on the morgue slab is worth $800 (it is in mint condition and bagged). Serious collectors always seek advise from professional collectors and even authors of books. I sought some advise from Bruce Spizer (who I met while looking at the same mono copy of Sgt Pepper at Great Escape in Nashville, and because of the chance meeting a lot of my Beatle labels are in a book titled The Beatles Story on Capitol Records!) and he gave me a lot of good prices on things I own. Remember, I've been collecting Beatles since I was five years old, and Queen since I was fourteen, and I'm almost forty-five now, so you can imagine how much I've amassed over the years for both!) BTW, the very scarce promotional-only A Kind Of Magic Hawaiian shirt is worth $500 unworn! |
| Mr. Scully 30.01.2004 09:25 |
"BTW, the very scarce promotional-only A Kind Of Magic Hawaiian shirt is worth $500 unworn!" ... and I saw it on ebay at least three times in last two years, each time for around 60 pounds. That's what I'm speaking about. You say it's worth $500, I'm saying that nobody will ever pay more than $100 for it. |
| Queenland 30.01.2004 10:35 |
> Henrique - the Andreas Voigts book deals only with records (if I remember correctly) and not with memorabilia of any kind. Ah, are you talking about memorabilia (non-records) items only, right :) Then I also don't know anyone who have compiled a database/price guide on memorabilia items. |
| wstüssyb 30.01.2004 11:41 |
BTW, the very scarce promotional-only A Kind Of Magic Hawaiian shirt is worth $500 unworn!" I have it...it will remain unworn, not for collector's purpose, but cuz it's to freaking ugly to wear =-) |
| Penetration_Guru 30.01.2004 11:43 |
I also looked at completed items on Ebay, and the most expenive copy of Billboard was from '66 - something about the Beatles "Butcher cover" for Yesterday & today - went for $90. Again, this is not about arguing with you, Lisa - this is disagreeing (fairly strongly, I think) with your valuation guy. Plus I agree with Martin about the Hawaiian shirts - $100 max Still sounds like a good collection though. |
| PieterMC 30.01.2004 11:47 |
The value of things should not matter if you are collecting for your love of Queen anyway. An item is only worth what somebody else will pay for it. |
| Togg 30.01.2004 11:55 |
I have to say Lisa I think you might be being a little over optimistic with your valuations, however if you really believe that's what someone would pay for them, then I suggest you sell them all PDQ and run for the hills enjoying your new found wealth! |
| Erin 30.01.2004 17:43 |
"The problem is that the prices should be set like "what would others pay for this if I wanted to sell it?", not like "it was a limited edition so it must be worth hundreds"." EXACTLY right, Mr.Scully.... I have stuff that is supposed to be worth X amount of dollars, but if nobody wants to buy it, it ain't worth squat! And if someone wants to buy my Freddie autograph for $1000, go right ahead...;-) In America the "value" of Queen items surely would be way less than other countries. It's all relative... The true value of any collection is what it means to the person that owns it. My autographs that I got in person are priceless. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 30.01.2004 19:06 |
A word on Ebay: If you decide to sell any kind of collectible, you take a big chance on getting what the item's worth or not what it was worth in the first place. The item has to be sought-after by someone who wants it badly enough to do the "bidding war" and force the price to astronomic proportions. I never use Ebay as a pricing guide to any collectible I own. I usually go with my gut feelings or seek out the advice of other trusted friends/collectors. Some Queen collectors I know have padded their collections with one-of-a-kind items like handwritten song lyrics, artwork (by Freddie) or signed items like tour posters, booklets, shirts, vinyl album covers/promotional flats, even the odd cocktail napkin. Their collections are worth far more than mine will ever be. I would wear my Magic shirt (I actually like the print!) but it looks best displayed in a glass frame. I've seen some worn at conventions but that's okay, I'll keep mine where it is! |
| katy_themusicalprostitute 30.01.2004 21:26 |
How very interesting! I'm a serious Queen collector as well. Expensive hobby but I LOVE it!! |
| TruePar 01.02.2004 02:04 |
I have actually found the value of my collection has gone a bit 'stale'. I started listening and collecting Queen in about 1990. After Freddie's death, there was a big boom in trading/collecting world - and items were going for astronomical prices. I treated my collecting as a hobby - going along to flea markets, and shopping via Record Collector and Goldmine. While my collection is probably mediocre compared to others (about 300 items, non really expensive $4000-$5000 Canadian total) I am very proud of it, as it is more a result of my hard work, than it's impressiveness. I place my collection's value on 3 things.. 1. Sentimental value 2. Price I bought it for 3. What I think a Queen fan would want for it. The introduction of E-Commerce and sites like GEMM (when it first started) and E-Bay have skewed the valuations of items. For example - the complete Highlander Promo Soundtrack. It arrived on Ebay late last year, and first couple sold for around $200 - now, there are half a dozen listing, and bids are down to $50 or so. So I agree with Lisa that E-Bay is not a trusted source of price comparing. In the last couple of years, I've stopped the 'hardcore' collecting. I've been *very* disappointed with certain decisions coming out of the Queen Production company, and has really put a damper on the last 10 years of joy. I find I look at my collection fewer times every year - and even contemplated selling my VHS collection earlier this year. The one thing that eludes me, is some autographed items to display. I've never been able to part with the necessary funds for the band's signature, so I'll keep looking for Roger's or Brian's on Ebay (cursed Ebay!). The last *good* Queen release...? Probably the DVD Audio releases. The worst Queen release lately...? Everything else since Made In Heaven. No wonder I've stopped collecting... :-) |
| *goodco* 02.02.2004 01:07 |
Values are, well, to state the obvious: all relative. Martin, your comments of the blue BoRhap 7" on another thread hit the nail on the head....but the range has been $4-5 Gs for eons. It's the second one we've come across in the last two months, and have given serious thoughts of purchasing it. But the sales price has been a couple hundred over what our set limit is. eBay deflates or inflates prices, all depends on the knowledge, lack of knowledge, desperation, etc of both parties. Replacement values can be exaggerated. If someone can only replace an item by purchasing from eil.com, the replacement cost is obviously higher than the 'market value'. I had to go through this unpleasurable task a few years back. If I were forced to replace my NOTW clock/mirror, I'd go to eil and spend the $700 for that item, even if it is cracked and the clock is nonfunctional, because that's the only place I'd be able to find it. The insurance company would have to reimburse me. But to say the item in that condition has a $700 value is hogwash. If they had a Smile 45, a Jazz tour jacket, the HTF 45 live sleeve, etc, that's the company I'd go to. But I wouldn't use their prices for 'current value'. I tend to use 'pounds as dollars' from them to get a reasonable gauge of what an item is worth on the market. I also wouldn't put down your collection value. It's worth a lot more than you think. It is damn unique, as is your web site. As are other sites of certain knowledgeable fans. Those values would be priceless, as is the information they provide for many of us. How can one put a price tag on some of those items? We have a few trinkets signed by all the band members, some signed by three, by two, and a couple from Brian and Roger, signed while we stood next to them. It doesn't mean we're better or greater or more knowledgeable, just luckier than most in some regards. We'll never have the collection like queencollector.com, or his friend Joe D. Nor what many on this and other NGs have. Never have, never will. Or those we never hear from. Pity, because I'll bet they have some wonderful stories to share. I also wish the boys luck with the 46664 dvd and cd sales. Not only for the cause, but selfishly to help boost a constantly lowering Queen collection value. Moving on....comments about the 'Butcher' cover seem erroneous on both sides. I've seen quite a few over the past couple of months that go for $900-1500, not $90 or $9000. Then again, I don't know if I'm a serious collector or not. |
| *goodco* 02.02.2004 01:07 |
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| Mr. Scully 02.02.2004 03:00 |
I have a feeling the discussion has become even more interesting :-) "I am very proud of it, as it is more a result of my hard work" EXACTLY. With my monthly income which is pretty much over average in my country but pretty much under European average I have to search for bargains, no other choice. So I could buy some signed item right now for $300 but I prefer a long searching after which I buy it for $100. Or my tour programs - I have 80% of Queen-related programs that have ever been released. I'm missing the obscure ones - South America, Cardiff etc. Whenever (if!) I get any of them, I'm very very happy because it takes years to find them :-) "It arrived on Ebay late last year, and first couple sold for around $200 - now, there are half a dozen listing, and bids are down to $50 or so." But that's the risk of buying on ebay - I prefer to wait. Two months ago I saw on ebay a Queen tour poster from New York 1976 (for the very first time). It was suspicious so I decided not to bid and waited instead. It was clever because now it's obvious it was a reprint, not a genuine poster - ebay is now flooded with these $5 NY posters. "Martin, your comments of the blue BoRhap 7" on another thread hit the nail on the head....but the range has been $4-5 Gs for eons" Yeah, well - it will never be any cheaper, that's right. But it's 200 copies, that's a LOT! There are many sorts of memorabilia which are unique. Original lyrics (beware of fakes - such as the Princes Of The Universe sheet!), tour itineraries, personal items of the band etc. And these all sell for lower prices than blue BoRhap. "If I were forced to replace my NOTW clock/mirror, I'd go to eil and spend the $700 for that item" I THINK the NOTW mirror was for sale on ebay for about $50 less than half a year ago. "We'll never have the collection like queencollector.com, or his friend Joe D" ==> MONEY :-) I'll rather stay relatively poor and keep searching for bargains than start buying items like mad in James Moran's style. |
| Penetration_Guru 02.02.2004 06:02 |
Isn't the "market value" of something, the average price across all suppliers at a particular time? In which case take an average between Ebay & eil, and you have a pretty good idea. |
| Mr. Scully 02.02.2004 07:40 |
"Isn't the "market value" of something, the average price across all suppliers at a particular time?" No because what if all the suppliers came with silly high prices? I'd define the market value as an average of all prices of sold goods. And if eil.com don't sell much, then the market price depends above all on ebay where hundreds of transactions are made every day :-) |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 02.02.2004 08:15 |
"Moving on....comments about the 'Butcher' cover seem erroneous on both sides. I've seen quite a few over the past couple of months that go for $900-1500, not $90 or $9000." Excuse me, but I don't think you're a Beatles collector, are you? A first-state WRAPPED Butcher Cover is worth $11,000 as of this writing. Mine is a promotional copy (stamped "FREE" in the upper-right-hand corner) and is a first-state in mint condition with no marks, cuts or wear on the spine. That is why it's $500 less. My parents helped me start collecting Beatles stuff when I was five years old, and they bought everything: bubble bath, sheets, dresses, footwear, wig, Halloween costumes, bubble gum cards, paperback books, anything that pertained to Beatles was mine and my two siblings. Thank God for my parents' foresight in what would turn out to be the best collection of all! As I have stated before, Beatles collectibles keep appreciating each year. Queen may be close to them in the next ten years or so (my prediction), especially the vinyl, which is not pressed anymore (except for some bands who want a very limited run for collection purposes). The last Queen release I have on vinyl is Rocks (1997). I don't know why the Platinum Collection didn't get any attention, but then again we'll never know... |
| Fenderek 02.02.2004 08:49 |
Greates Hits III was also released on vinyl... |
| Penetration_Guru 02.02.2004 10:09 |
I don't know as much about The Beatles as Lisa, but I have read up on the Butcher sleeve before, and part of the reason the value fluctuates is that thousands of copies had another sleeve stuck on top. SO, if you steam it off again, you get a legendary Beatles rarity. THen you can shrinkwrap it, giving the illusion that it was never opened, and Bob's your cousin's dad... |
| Penetration_Guru 02.02.2004 10:21 |
Record Collector 254 - Max price of a non-first state Butcher cover (you don't say whether yours is mono or stereo) - £4000 link say $2500 If yours isn't first state as you say, is it a paste over or has it been peeled? |
| Mr. Scully 02.02.2004 10:53 |
Record Collector is a bit like eil, the prices are too high. Just look at Hammer To Fall live sleeve which was apparently a "top 100 rarity" in RC for 100+ pounds and now is on ebay for 50 pounds every week. |
| TruePar 02.02.2004 12:39 |
Another question...a little off-topic. Anyone know the price of the LP "The Queen Collection" released in the early 80's from K-Tel in the US? |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 02.02.2004 13:11 |
"If yours isn't first state as you say, is it a paste over or has it been peeled?" First-state is never opened, still sealed. Second state is original cover, no pasteover, extra credit if promotional stamp in upper right corner. Third state is pasted over with "Yesterday and Today" group shot (you could see a shadow over Ringo's left shoulder, dead giveaway!) and has been peeled, though there are copies that exist that have never been peeled (lucky stiffs!!). Values are given based on how well the peeling job went. Ive seen some at past Beatle conventions that were missing whole lines of the picture due to a crappy peel but still went for over $1000 (cover only). Remember, the cover was yanked not even a day after its release due to public outrage over the Beatles' sense of black humour. Americans didn't get the joke (well, most didn't! LOL) so that's why it was recalled -- and that's why it's the rarest of Beatles memorabilia (besides the autographs). |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 02.02.2004 13:13 |
To answer your question: "Most worthy piece: original Butcher Block album cover, promo copy, mint condition (not wrapped), $10,500." And in a plastic bag to boot! :-) |
| Penis - Vagina 02.02.2004 19:37 |
TruePar, according to: link The LP version is worth $50, but that may be for the one with a poster. link |
| TruePar 02.02.2004 22:31 |
Completely forgot about that site... Thanks Deacon. I've got the one without poster. |
| Penetration_Guru 03.02.2004 06:37 |
Sorry, I was going by the reference material I had, which all said that first state was original Butcher sleeve, second state was pasted over, and third state was pasted and peeled. Hence my confusion. |
| *goodco* 12.02.2004 01:56 |
"Excuse me, but I don't think you're a Beatles collector, are you?" Never said I was. Oh, we've got some ol' VeeJay 45s laying around, and Capitol and Apple. Nuthin fancy, just old and worn. Wish I'd have been fortunate enough to have my old man stumble upon that album and have the foresight to not open and play it. Or it was open. The posts kinda contradict, or I just don't understand. That wouldn't be the first time. Then again, perhaps it's the 'doubting Thomas' created from reading numerous posts with a large percentage fraught with exagerations, inaccuracies or out-and-out B.S. 'Hyperbole', indeed. On to the NOTW clock...Martin, you're not referring to one of those simple 12 inch x 12 inch ones that have shown up on eBay, are you? With a different LP cover 'clock' showing up every other week? Well....if the promo clock did go for fifty pounds a while back....'oh well (sigh)'. Still, mine didn't go for an extreme amount. My wife bought it for me for Christmas. Never thought I'd see one, much less own one. Came across the 'Astounding Science Fiction' magazine with the Freas robot on the cover just recently by pure accident. I may have spent more than I should have. Or maybe I didn't. A hard thing to judge. Then again, I might never come across it again (though I did see it on eBay the following week ?!?!). All of that is what makes it 'special'. I'd double the value of your Q collection, and then double it again on account of the website. |
| Mr. Scully 12.02.2004 02:27 |
Joe, looking back at my post, I'm now not sure if it was the NOTW clock or the mirror which went for 50 pounds... these things are not interesting to me so I'm not paying attention to them much. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 12.02.2004 08:27 |
Seems like some people like to take offence to little things like a wrapped or unwrapped Butcher Cover LP--- It's NOT wrapped, "jgoodm". I was stating the worth of a SEALED copy where obviously mine is not. The appraisal of the collections (Beatles and Queen) was done by professionals, people who have been in that business a long time. The same people appraise them every year for the rider on my homeowners' policy, and the worth is also based on replacement value in addition to what the item is actually worth. Promotional items, vinyl, anything of original issue is worth absolutely nothing once a fire, flood, earthquake, tornado or hurricane gets at it. That is why my collections are worth so much IN VALUE. I don't really give a flying **** about the dollar value, to me they are priceless and rarer than the Hope diamond. Maybe this will clear up any confusion, maybe not. Keep in mind serious collectors do like to crow about what they have and what it's worth from time to time. Just don't take any offence to the fact -- okay??? |
| Saint Jiub 13.02.2004 23:31 |
Lisa - Tell us about how you worked with Richard and tracked down Ted and brought him to justice ... or about why Haole is still banned ... I can't recall any of the other whoppers you told at Breakthru 2003... |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 14.02.2004 07:35 |
"Whoppers", dear? It was classified info I SHOULDN'T have told anyone but did. (Couldn't believe you could actually hear me above all the noise in that ballroom -- amazing!) |
| Saint Jiub 14.02.2004 22:38 |
Classified? or do you mean certified? We heard you, as most of the discussion took place outside the ballroom. Your stories about Ted and Jake seemed plausable (which I can't remember - Did you you get them both arrested child sexual abuse?). I woke up when you mentioned whoppers from Haole |
| NoOneButYou1975 14.02.2004 22:46 |
uh oh... |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 15.02.2004 10:23 |
Who in the heck is Haole? And frankly I don't remember everything I said regarding the sex offender, it's old news, it's past and forgotten by now! I don't especially like your attitude about the whole thing either. If you want to talk about it offlist, fine. Things like this don't belong on this thread, which was about RECORD COLLECTING...remember?? |
| Saint Jiub 15.02.2004 12:54 |
Oh I'm sorry - I thought it was about hyperbole and exaggeration and butcherblocks ... |
| Saint Jiub 15.02.2004 13:06 |
I have no interest in speaking with you directly as I believe you to be a pathological liar (a belief initiated at Breakthru and further cemented over time). I felt I had to chime in after viewing this thread, and your altercations with the Breakthru committee to give an another perspective of your bizarre behavior. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 15.02.2004 14:35 |
Well alrighty then! Your belief is your belief. If my Queen collection offends you, alas others have ones that are worth far more than mine in market value, but that's water under the bridge. I admire people who collect with collections' sake in mind and don't mind sharing what's in their collections and keep the band alive. As for you thinking I am a pathological liar, that's a pretty serious accusation on a public message board. I have no problems with the Breakthru committee; maybe you do and you're just being shy admitting it. And it does not have anything at all to do with the subject matter in this thread! I stand up for what I believe in and that's Queen and what they stand for. Shame on you for damning a fellow member of this group for being loyal to them! |
| NoOneButYou1975 15.02.2004 15:18 |
here here! |
| *goodco* 17.02.2004 10:39 |
"I stand up for what I believe in and that's Queen and what they stand for. Shame on you for damning a fellow member of this group for being loyal to them!" No, he's commenting on you being dishonest. You may be loyal to the band, but you are not being loyal to their fans. A fan since '73 because you have the '75 reissue? Meeting the band at the HOF when those who had worked with VH1 on the 'Legends' special such as Joe Demelio couldn't get the chance? Your past casts doubts on every post you make. It's like reading Sylv Livingstone's encounters. There were two 'bad apples' on that Breakthru list who used aliases. Wm K Mahler was one, and you were the other. You used the alias to puff yourself up. All of us who knew bit our tongues on the list. When people started to question your collectibles on this thread, you reassumed that alias on this board. That's when we'd had enough. When that was pointed out to you on the convention thread, you had the nerve to use that alias and be dishonest to myself, iron eagle, and my wife (mmemercury)....knowing it was my wife you were responding to with your alias. How that person even knew my wife was making the 'connection' was totally amazing, don't you think? And then you had the audicity to mock HER !!! And then you did so again as 'yourself. A reminder: people on other lists read this board, too. How dare you!!! For being dishonest with those on this board, on gardenlodge, on Breakthru, with me, with Paul, and don't get me started on your comments to Susan. So, 'shame on you for damning fellow members of this group' with your dishonesty. Joe and Susan+ |
| *goodco* 17.02.2004 10:54 |
musicalprostitute Champion posted 1/31/2004 4:24:01 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who's Gregory, and where is Club Dada? Germany? -------------------- "...I'll sing until my throat is like a vulture's crotch!!" -- Freddie Mercury -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 13 | Registered: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 mmemercury Champion posted 1/31/2004 4:39:23 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why i havent seen that email address is a while..... LOL Too funny! I have a sudden craving for prawns............ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 8 | Registered: Monday, November 25, 2002 snip musicalprostitute Champion posted 2/1/2004 10:30:12 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why i havent seen that email address is a while..... LOL Too funny! I have a sudden craving for prawns............ I don't think you have seen my email ever! I'm new to this list, I just joined this week after I found it on a Google search. Maybe I should introduce myself. My name is Katharine and I'm from Doylestown, PA. I've loved Queen all my adult life. I did not attend the conventions the past several years because I'm too afraid to fly and haven't traveled alone anywhere. I hope there will be one near my area in the future. I really feel like I have missed out, from what I have been reading so far. By the way, "mmemercury", do you like seafood? We have a lot of the fresh kind here but it's shrimp and not prawns. I'm not really fond of those, they're too hard to digest! -------------------- "...I'll sing until my throat is like a vulture's crotch!!" -- Freddie Mercury ed: amazing that this person knew of the 'prawn' reference...an outfit that LJG wore at the 2002 convention. And the 'signoff quote' comment change later on was just as cute. 'I'm schizophrenic and so am I' - James Young |
| Mr. Scully 17.02.2004 11:15 |
I have heard something about it from several people... Joe, could you tell us the whole story? Because I still have no idea what's going on (besides the fact that Lisa uses two nicknames). |
| Bohardy 17.02.2004 11:18 |
I just checked out that thread as well, and it was almost embarassing how obvious it was that musicalprostitute is Lisa. Weird and embarassing, but nevertheless intriguing. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 17.02.2004 13:16 |
Oh my goodness. What slings and arrows we heave. I am NOT "musicalprostitute" and I want to clarify that here and NOW. My screen name on the left is what you see and what you get! "Jgoodm", you are the one with the problem here. Your accusations are not amusing to anyone but yourself. You think you're the Queen authority but alas you're not, and quit trying to pretend to be. The only Queen authority I know of is Greg Brooks, and I take his word above anyone's except the actual band members. I don't try to stir things up but I am now. You are making me sick of your accusations and you need to stop it now. Harrassment is harrassment, you know. |
| NoOneButYou1975 17.02.2004 13:26 |
Who was the sex offender? Jake or Ted? Jake was/is the john deere offender :P |
| Penis - Vagina 17.02.2004 13:37 |
I was curious about that too, and what the whole thing has to do with Queen or the conventions. I'm confused but taking no sides. |
| inu-liger 17.02.2004 13:46 |
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| Saint Jiub 18.02.2004 01:06 |
I promised to Lisa in an e-mail response to stop the bashing on Queenzone (because I thought the topic would die). Oh well |
| Mr. Scully 18.02.2004 02:46 |
Thanks to those who explained me the whole situation via email. Which is not good news for you, Lisa... |
| Lawyeris 18.02.2004 06:49 |
I see there are too many superegos here. I think it's better to be simple small and pure collector, to have some mp3&mpg collections and join them very much. |
| PieterMC 18.02.2004 07:55 |
I wish somebody would explain to me via email what is going on, because I am confused. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 18.02.2004 08:39 |
What the uninformed do not know about collecting... I do not question insurance appraisers...do you? If they appraise collectibles at a certain amount, then granted they know what they're doing. I have had this done yearly for the past seven years, I have to, it's part of my homeowners insurance (rider for collectibles). I failed to mention (no, I am not "puffing up' about this) that I have Queen things in duplicate, triplicate and quadruplicate. I was in the record business and these were things that were given to me in bulk quantities, so that's why I have literally hundreds of Queen items, promotional and otherwise. The rest were purchased new and everything in the collection is in mint condition in a nonsmoking environment. "Joe", I thought your wife's name was Susan. "Mmemercury" says her name is Teri. Hmm.... And for the record I did not insult ANYBODY. You're the one doing the insulting around here. And if anyone believes the garbage he spews about my not being a Queen fan from the beginning...gee, I've been posting on this group for almost three years now. Really strange I would start "inventing" another identity! I don't have cute screen names like a lot of you do, I list my legal given name as my screen name. Strange thing in this day and age. Comparing me to Mahler? Give me a break! I don't go on and on and on like a college professor (like you do, Joe), I talk about the band and don't get PERSONAL. You do not know me personally, Joe, you know me through the Breakthru list and meeting at the conventions. You have NO right to judge me! Spreading horrible rumours about me and others makes you look like a joke. So leave me alone. I have nothing more to say about any of the tripe on this thread, which started out innocently enough about a record collection and turned into an avalanche of hate mail. As far as I am concerned, this thread has ended as of NOW. |
| *goodco* 18.02.2004 09:10 |
A pity that I have to reply " "Joe", I thought your wife's name was Susan. "mmemercury" says her name is Teri. Hmmm...." I guess perhaps it's selective memory. Here's a couple posts from the con thread. Seems she made it pretty clear who she was way back when. mmemercury Champion posted 1/16/2004 5:53:22 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know for a fact that Joe and Paul and the rest worked very hard as committee members. The fact that some people actually re-up is amazing, considering all the abuse and whine they get. I can assure you that Joe does not have an acid perspective; he is realistic and practical. And honest. As for Nashville, after the hockey game I'd drag him to the Hard Rock and then we'd drive outta there, over to visit Ricky!!! :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 8 | Registered: Monday, November 25, 2002 Lisa J Goodrich Royalty posted 1/16/2004 8:24:29 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The best attendance was the first year (2001). I remember seeing standing-room-only in the ballrooms, and it was wonderful meeting the people I had been conversing with online for so many months. Made quite a few close ones too. Anyone who has attended all three thus far probably has a lot of memories of good times. -------------------- "...I'm just a musical prostitute, my dear!" -- Freddie Mercury -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 1342 | Registered: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 ********** care to try and sling mud at my wife one more time? Joe, Susan, and gang+ |
| Penetration_Guru 18.02.2004 09:52 |
Well, since you posted your insurance assessors opinions, some of us have commented on them. You may accept blankly everything he says, but your premiums are being inflated by the over-valuing of items, in my opinion. If you ever need to claim, be assured that the insurance company will not pay out at those valuations. They will start looking more deeply, and will probably wipe off half of the value. I'm not getting into all the personal stuff - not interested. All I've ever said is that Lisa's insurance assessor is not, in my opinion, reliable. |
| mmemercury 18.02.2004 10:15 |
Msmercury01 is teri. mmemercury is me..Susan. At least that's ONe thing that is clear! |
| Mr. Scully 18.02.2004 10:15 |
The value of Lisa's collection is certainly very far from the $23000 but that's not the point anymore, P_G ... |
| Penis - Vagina 18.06.2004 11:49 |
I certainly hope this all gets resolved soon. |
| Lisser 18.06.2004 12:11 |
I have no clue what this is all about. If anyone feels like clueing me in, feel free. |
| Lisser 18.06.2004 15:25 |
ah ok well that clears it up. |
| Penis - Vagina 10.07.2004 05:58 |
Indeed. |
| Penis - Vagina 10.07.2004 06:16 |
It always makes for interesting reading though. |
| fat bottomed girl 7238 10.07.2004 09:34 |
Hi Lisa Wow - what a respoonse your original post has got. Our house insurance actually has a £5000 collection insurance tagged onto it. Although recently we have been thinking about getting some independent insurance for our collection. Please forgive me for sounding thick (it's usually the case) but bootleg recording aren't insured for any valur are they? As their OFFICIAL worth is zilch, nil diddly squat as they are illegal recordings? Or have the insurance company you used covered these for any cost? Just wondering FBG !!! |
| Penis - Vagina 10.07.2004 10:41 |
It's an interesting topic. |
| Penis - Vagina 10.07.2004 13:45 |
Full of interesting things to read. |
| jericho05 10.07.2004 14:55 |
I have a handful of valuable stuff in my collection... some original Queen , Alice Cooper and Grateful Dead albums among others. As well I've got quite a selection of cards and magazines. I honestly have no idea how much it is really worth... I only know that I doubt anyone could pay me enough to part with most of it. I guess the collection is usually worth the most to the collectors themselves. A friend of mine had over 1000 LPs and sold many of them for far less than they were probably worth. That said (and I am blabbering on) I think I will probably keep all my stuff... I wonder if I can take it with me to the grave? (JK my kids would kill me...) |
| Penis - Vagina 10.07.2004 18:29 |
Sometimes these older topics are more fun than the current stuff. |
| Lisser 10.07.2004 18:50 |
I agree |
| agneepath! 11994 10.07.2004 19:01 |
wish i knew what all the fuss was about. |
| Penis - Vagina 10.07.2004 19:54 |
If you read the whole thing, you'll see that Lisa was put in her place and went away in shame for roughly 3 months following this thread, so it amazes me that she shows up again and acts like this never happened. I didn't use to mind her, but frankly the constant bragging and talk of what things are worth has gotten on my last nerve, so by drudging up this old topic, I'm merely hoping that those who didn't care for her before will remember who she is and why they didn't care for her, and she'll go away again. |
| Saint Jiub 10.07.2004 23:13 |
Her "problem" started with bragging and got much worse. I do not think confronting her on her bragging is worth opening up this topic again. Everyone brags sometimes ... although some more than others |
| Penetration_Guru 11.07.2004 13:47 |
I defintely brag the most... |
| bas asselbergs 11.07.2004 15:43 |
i am selling some bits and pieces of my enormous collectionj, and the items are for serious collectors only, as the quality and rareness of the items is the highest level imaginable! 1) italian accoustic EKO guitar, built between 1969 and 1972, sunburst lacquer, mint / mint supercondition, according to Jim Jenkins the only accoustic guitar on the planet that holds ALL 4 signatures from Queen.The guitar was signed as a present for a cousin or a niece of Freddie after a show. An absolute wannahave for the real guitarcollector! It is a priceless piece, and i will concider serious offers above €7500,- 2) the ONLY still complete and together set of ALL 5 the awards for "A Night At The Opera". USA 1975. Mint / Mint super condition. presentations to Freddie, Brian, Roger, John and Queen. ALL 5 the awards are different and they are also the very first ever produced so called "custom-awards". 53 x 82 cm each award. The set is only for sale as a set, and MUST remain together forever! Not to be sold separately. Again, the value is without measure, but serious offers above €25.000,- are responded to. As i said, the items are absolutely unique and for the real serious collectors only. They are museum material really. 3) for the rich and wealthy only , is the last item that may go is : U.K. 1975 presentation to Freddie Mercury for BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY.in mint / mint super condition. FULLY SIGNED AT THE BACK BY: Brian May Roger Taylor John Deacon (on video!) Jim Beach Jim Jenkins (on video!) Spike Edney Eric Singer Frits Spits ( hollands nr 1 top radio DJ for the last 30 years, and he made Queen popular here ) This item , i will not part with for a penny less than €100.000,- It is the ultimate number 1 top collectors item of the world from Queen. There is only 1 item like this. Not like the 200 copies from the blue BoRap single, that is NOT the nr 1 collectors item anymore now! I think that these 3 items are the true top 3 of Queen-collectors-items on this planet. If anyone knows of an item that tops any of these 3, i would be very interested to know what that might be...? Logan Place itself? :-) cheerzzz Basje |
| Penetration_Guru 11.07.2004 16:40 |
I stand corrected |
| agneepath! 11994 11.07.2004 16:56 |
is he for real? |
| Pim Derks 11.07.2004 17:23 |
"Jim Beach Jim Jenkins (on video!) Spike Edney Eric Singer Frits Spits ( hollands nr 1 top radio DJ for the last 30 years, and he made Queen popular here )" --- Why did you get this item signed by 5 people who had NOTHING to do with Queen (at the time BoRhap was recorded) ? This looks the same to me like getting a Brian May autograph on a 1979 disco-compilation from Turkey.... "This item , i will not part with for a penny less than €100.000,-" You're planning on building a new house? C'mon - this amount is ridiculous (for people outside of Europa - €1 is approx. $1.25 and 0,6 pound. No matter how rare this is (I don't doubt that it's worth a lot), 100.000 euros is just mad. |
| FriedChicken 11.07.2004 17:28 |
"Why the hell did you get this item signed by 5 people who had NOTHING to do with Queen (at the time BoRhap was recorded) ? This looks the same to me like me getting a Brian May autograph on a 1979 disco-compilation from Turkey.... " I wonder why he didn't ask Peter Freestone or Jim Hutton for autographs on that item. I could even ask my uncle to put his autograph on it. He saw queen twice |
| Pim Derks 11.07.2004 17:29 |
I can sign it too if you want Basje - I saw Brian once, saw B+R in A'dam in 2002 AND I won a signed cd from Brian's site! |
| FriedChicken 11.07.2004 17:31 |
Ah cool! me too, i'll trade my autograph for the 5 awards set |
| Penetration_Guru 12.07.2004 07:55 |
"the ONLY still complete and together set of ALL 5 the awards for "A Night At The Opera". USA 1975" How many other copies have been split up? At least now we know who Lisa's insurance assessor is.... |
| bas asselbergs 12.07.2004 09:08 |
but then again, if you don't even know the names besides Queen on the borap award, and why they wanted to sign it, then it's so simple to be negative about it ... these items are just unique...is Vincent van Gogh's sunflowers painting worth $58 million? or Eric Claptons normal ordinary factory Fender Stratocaster without an autograph $950.000,-? NO F.....G way !!! but that has been paid for those items too...the same goes for my items. They are unique on this planet. And yes, there have been many awardsets been split up, but no set is still complete and together.That is exactly why this set is so rare...they always took their own awards home with them! So can you imagine how difficult it is to get it complete!? And from THIS set, there is only one set like this! And this was the FIRST set of custom-awards ever made for any artist! And having all the autographs on the BoRap's back, it certainly takes away all doubts about wether it's real or not... And the other people signing it too, were just só proud that they were able to do so....and they had an awful lot to do with Queen and still have... The price of all items has been suggested by experts all over the globe, from Sotheby's , Bonhams and Christies.... Maybe, just maybe they can only be topped by the original guitar of Brian? But that will NEVER be available for a buyer i think...Jimmy will inherit it later...? And as far as i know, there are NO more items that i can think of to be more valuable or exclusive like these 3.... No matter what comment i get on my items, every fan would love to have them in his or her collection!! Just jealousy, all these dumb reactions like "my uncle can sign it too...etc" Seriously interested people are still welcome to have a look at the items and they will be sold for the prices as stated, they're worth every penny of it!!! If Brian's guitar were to be sold in an auction, it could raise 10 million dollars easily, but is it worth that much? He built it for less than 500 pounds!!! Like my guitar and the awards, they are unique pieces of rock 'n roll history, and therefor priceless...and very beautiful and valuable too. |
| *goodco* 12.07.2004 09:59 |
Yes, this thread does make for interesting reading on occasion..... Joe (who's never claimed to be a college professor by any means), Susan, and dog Freddie+ |
| Ron 12.07.2004 11:29 |
bas asselbergs wrote: 3) for the rich and wealthy only , is the last item that may go is : U.K. 1975 presentation to Freddie Mercury for BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY.in mint / mint super condition. FULLY SIGNED AT THE BACK BY: Brian May Roger Taylor John Deacon (on video!) Jim Beach Jim Jenkins (on video!) Spike Edney Eric Singer Frits Spits ( hollands nr 1 top radio DJ for the last 30 years, and he made Queen popular here ) This item , i will not part with for a penny less than €100.000,- It is the ultimate number 1 top collectors item of the world from Queen. There is only 1 item like this. Not like the 200 copies from the blue BoRap single, that is NOT the nr 1 collectors item anymore now!it's just an award with the three most important autographs (BM, RT and JD) plus some extra autographs which won't add much value to the item. A full set of aut. normally goes for 400-500 dollars, so why is yours $500 times 200?? The award might have a value of approx 2500 dollars. It goes beyond me why the value should be 100000 euros ánd making it the nr 1 collectors item. edit: besides that, if you hang the award against a wall you wont see a thing of the autographs ;) |
| Penetration_Guru 12.07.2004 12:01 |
B..b...b...b...bbbbut it MUST be!!!!! I MUST be seen as the ultimate Queen collector!! You're all just jealous!!!!! ------------------------------------------ That's the trouble with logical argument...it makes illogical people SO emotional.... Basje, you lanky loony, you're not really trying to tell us that you're this stroppy are you? Having had it valued at Sotheby's, Christies and by Jim Jenkins at the convention (guffaw - the man's a legend but a valuer of collectors items he is not), can we expect to see it at auction soon, or were you in fact just looking to show off how Teutonically terrific you are by the size of your collection....? Methinks someone is overcompensating..... |
| deleted user 12.07.2004 14:04 |
Ron post is really wonderful, the sentence about the signs being on the bottom of the award (so you can't see them) is really... PRICELESS!! :)) The only thing is that a friend of mine valued it 1500$, while you Ron gave it a 2500$: you too optimistic or my friend wrong? What is the real value of Basje's award, 1500$ or 2500$? |
| Ron 12.07.2004 15:20 |
<font color=#CC0000>hangman wrote: Ron post is really wonderful, the sentence about the signs being on the bottom of the award (so you can't see them) is really... PRICELESS!! :)) The only thing is that a friend of mine valued it 1500$, while you Ron gave it a 2500$: you too optimistic or my friend wrong? What is the real value of Basje's award, 1500$ or 2500$?well.. I have a NOTW award which was presented to Freddie and that one has a value of $1100... I was really optimistic for Basje's award... but $2500 is indeed a bit too high. I think that $2000 might be a right one, WITHOUT signatures. Add another $500 I think for all the signatures which is quite a lot, so my $2500 wasnt very bad |
| Pim Derks 12.07.2004 15:40 |
Looks like Basje may need to change his plans from a huge villa to a week in a nice hotel ;-) |
| deleted user 12.07.2004 17:21 |
There's one thing I like about P_G's posts: they have a tendency of making me take out my dictionary from time to time and look up words I've never heard before and will hopefully stick in my humble vocabulary. |
| bas asselbergs 13.07.2004 09:54 |
howcome i never ever hear anyone complaining about ugly paintings being sold for $58 MILLION, and THE ultimate award of them all, (which i claim Fredies BoRap IS !) IS BEING VALUED LIKE ANY OTHER NORMAL OR ORDINARY AWARD...? this award, even without the autographs, is THE creme de la creme of all awards from Queen on the planet. NO other award comes close to what this award means in Rock 'n Roll history. It is much and much more than only just another award. This award was the confirmation and big change and a milestone in the music industry worldwide. It is a milestone and monument in many different perspectives. A song like this, the first over 5 and a half minutes long, with officially the very first so called video-clip, for 9 weeks at the number 1 spot in many countries, the song that established Queen as the biggest act on the planet and that gave them immortal superstardom-status....it's not just like any other song and any other award.THIS award is a MONUMENT! The whole musical "We Will Rock You" is about this song, and a tribute to it, making millions of dollars and breaking all previous records and winning all the theatre-prizes around the world! It is still the biggest moneymaker in music-history, ever! And FREDDIES personal award for this song, YES, is indeed an uncomparable piece of Rock 'n Roll history that deserves to be sold for not a penny less!!!As i already said before, this IS museumstuff really! If you think it is worth nothing more than any other award (between €1000,- and €3500,-), then your not worthy of having it, as to me, it is like degrading the ultimate song of all times into something like a d-quality song of an unknown artist. You are then, NOT appreciating Queen OR Bohemian Rhapsody for what they're really worth and really meant and still mean in this "bizznizz"!! Again, a piece like this can not be found twice. It is a one-off. And not the (just being jealous-) fans, but the price that is being paid for it, decide what is its value at the end of the day. Like Van Gogh's sunflowers,(God is that an ugly painting!),that aint worth 58 million dollars! So who do you think you are, to tell me that this piece isn't worth what i want to have for it IF i sell it? What if i get this money for it? That still doesn't change the value of other awards in a negative way! As this award for this song is unique.There is NO comparing possible! AND :I mustn't sell it. I may and might. It is available for the person who pays me this amount! I will not part with it for less! And if placed on a roundturning plate in some sort of glass-shell with na nice lamp on it, you can see it all around, including the signatures on its backside! If you're hanging it against a wall, then you are right about not being able to see them. As said, these are all items for the serious and rich collectors, not for fans that would like a bargain! Top items for top prices. very simple. Very correct. Hope you understand my point of view. I can (if i try hard) understand the reactions i have read so far, and i respect them. But they do NOT change or lower the price i am selling it for. How proud could you be as a Queenfan, IF this is being paid for Freddies "piece de resistance"? Wouldn't that put him and his best creation ever, there where they truly belong? Right on top above the rest, and break yet another worldrecord again? :-) Basje |
| iGSM 13.07.2004 10:05 |
Hmm, about...$100 if that? I think the 'rarest' thing I have at the moment/getting is a (red) copy of Nazis by Mr Meddows-Taylor. Don't know how much that's even close to being worth. Not much I would imagine seeing as I got it for .99 pound. |
| Mr. Scully 13.07.2004 10:28 |
Van Gogh's painting is something that Van Gogh painted. BoRhap award was not made by Freddie himself, it was manufactured by EMI who make hundreds of similar awards every day. I'm sure the BoRhap award is a great item but it's still a factory product. I will give you a couple of similar examples - tour itinerary (20-30 copies existed for each tour) - $200 - some really nice item signed by the whole band = $200-$300 - Freddie's handwriting lyrics = $2000 - clothes worn by Freddie = $2000-$5000 An award that Freddie touched for five minutes can (especially for die hard fans) hardly be equal to an outfit he used for the Knebworth gig or to an A5 paper with handwritten lyrics of a Queen song. |
| Penis - Vagina 13.07.2004 10:35 |
bas asselbergs wrote: A song like this, the first over 5 and a half minutes long, with officially the very first so called video-clip,"Hey Jude" was released at over 7 minutes in length. "Rain" and "Paperback Writer" were promotional clips recorded for television to substitute for live appearances 10 years before Bo Rhap. |
| Queenland 13.07.2004 10:47 |
Tea, biscuits, anyone ? |
| deleted user 13.07.2004 11:00 |
A packet of crisps for me and a coke, thanks. C'mon people, he just wants to make the price higher than 2500$... just try with 5000$/5500$, then maybe you can find a deal! |
| bas asselbergs 13.07.2004 11:02 |
it remains comparing apples and pears... there is NO comparing possible... there is only 1 Bohemian Rhapsody there was only 1 Freddie Mercury there is only 1 first award for that from Freddie there is only 1 for sale now there can be only 1 there will be only 1 and yes, EMI had a lot of awards made and the awards industry is huge....but still, there was only 1 award like this one, and just try to get it....you will find that that is impossible...unless.... :-) |
| Ron 13.07.2004 11:33 |
Bas, I'm afraid that you are looking at this item a bit different than we do. You've added a whole story to this award, you think that it is a great song, you think that it's Freddie's masterpiece, you think that it's unique..... happened to notice that every line begins with "you"?? I think that my Queen acetates are even better than that award because they go to the core of the recording proces (don't think that you can get any closer unless you have the master tapes), but even though I think that the acetates are unique, that doesn't mean that they are worth 10, 20 or 30 times its normal value. You have a different view about this item and that is probably the reason why you give it such a high price. Billions of people have heard BoRhap by now so it's not unique. Many other awards were made for other singles/albums, so a BoRhap award isn't so special. BoRhap sold many copies, so an award for this track isn't so special or unlikely. But I can understand your POV as well... BoRhap was Freddie's baby, your award was presented to him, BoRhap made history and is still regarded being great, so your conclusion is that it's valuable.... véry valuable. But you are wrong.. |
| Ron 13.07.2004 12:11 |
you actually sound a bit like those people on TV Shop... they also claim that their product is the best and will give a million reasons, but in the end their product is the same as all the others. Should I look the same to my LOML acetate as well? It was OWNED by Freddie and he loved that song on the ANATO album. It even has a diff edit but I will never ask 100.000 for it. |
| Queenland 13.07.2004 12:29 |
I was going to remain silent on this, but I can't :) If he finds someone willing to pay 100000 euros for it, good for him :) If not, then the other theory is proved ;-) It is as simple as that, no need to fight: Throw it on ebay and wait for a bid. |
| inu-liger 13.07.2004 12:51 |
Just out of curiosity, if I decided to sell my Immortals 7", how much would you guys pay for it? And also, does anyone have any idea how much an autographed Fefe Dobson CD would go for on eBay? (I have Fefe's album which I got autographed by her in person at West Edmonton Mall the day before the Juno 2004 awards!) |
| Penetration_Guru 13.07.2004 17:37 |
"Biggest moneymaker in music history"???? er...Michael Jackson, The Beatles, Elvis, even Eminem.. oh, you meant songs? er....Do They Know It's Christmas, Candle In The Wind 97, even Tie A Yellow Ribbon (most covered song in history - the writer of that hasn't worked for a bit). Plus surely inspiring the musical detracts from the value even more than a Dutch DJ (????wtf??? Kenny Everett you could make a case for, but a Dutch DJ on a UK sales award??? come to think of it Spike Edney & Eric Singer???? Has Eric even PLAYED Bo Rhap with Queen???)? Sorry, got carried away there. Van Gogh's sunflowers is an original piece of art. What you have is a defaced tribute to the popularity of an original piece of art. The other difference is.... THE SELLER DIDN'T SET THE PRICE. |
| FriedChicken 13.07.2004 18:09 |
"there was only 1 Freddie Mercury" Thats not true, as a matter of fact theres another Fred Mercury living in Brussels, Belgium. He's a 72 year old farmer, he has a wife. 8 kids and 11 grandchildren This is his picture: link |
| bas asselbergs 14.07.2004 09:02 |
at least we have a proper topic now and a discussion and sharing points of view coming from all that... me, i couldn't care less wether the items are sold or not. i am not saying the value is the right one, all i am saying is that IF anyone wants it, that this is the price i want to get in order to let me part with it. I will not part with it for less, and it is my good right to say this.Who says that i want to part with it at all? As stated before: i must not sell it, but for this money i will! Haven't you all got items in your collections that you would never ever part with? But what if someone comes along and says: "hey...i want that...here you have €100.000,- if you'll sell it for that".... i think every single one of you out there would sell it then...well...so do i... That the award is the creme de la creme of all Queenawards seems to be logical and needs no further defending i think. Many awards have been made and still are. And nevertheless ...this particular award is a unique piece and i am so very proud to have it too!! And the only way for me to let it go, is if i receive a fortune in return for the item! It's só simple! :-) I do ot know what a 7"of John's Immortals project is worth...i bought mine for 2 pounds. But... I have my 7" and 12" signed by the man himself, and i wonder what those items would be worth, certainly now he seemes to be lost in oblivian... Or a starfleet 12"promotional album copy signed by Brian....and the original album signed? The craziest of all items signed that i have, was a red vinyl bootleg from italy called rare live, on wich Roger wrote : "This Ravishing Red RaRe live RecoRd was RegRetfully Ruined on Request foR Basje, by Rocking RogeR TayloR".....and i have that on film too!!! It was backstage after the rock against hate festival in Lengnau, Switzerland. He played there with Spikeys bunch, and did a breathtaking rendition of Zeppelins Rock'n Roll, if anybody has that on tape or video for me??? What would that be worth?For me it is irreplaceable.He enjoyed doing that!! It would definately have a very high ranking position if there were to be compiled a list of crazy items signed by the Queenies...or signed in a crazy way... does anyone have more examples of funny things written by them on strange and weird items? Would be nice to put together a list of this, wouldn't it? cheerzzz Basje |
| bas asselbergs 14.07.2004 14:19 |
a read a line that i do not think is in the same line of thinking ... someone said about the love of my life acetate that he or she would never ASK 100.000 for that. Neither am i asking that, i am not parting with the award for less...that is a slight difference than asking the amount. I set the items sale, in a way that i think i will never sell them, just to see what reactions i might receive. I set the prices so high that i do not believe there is actually someone who will pay this kind of cash for them. And if there is....well....lucky me! :-) eventhough i do not think that a piece of working-gear like an acetate is, is in any way more valuable than a reward/award for evident succes? What do you think receiving this award meant to freddie when he received it? He was in the pink , my dears!!! and thát award is now (not for sale) but available for the person who is willing to spend so much money for it .... Most of the times the artists never get to see any acetates, as it is only a stage of the production-proces used to make more copies on different and more sound-carriers. They are rare, and nice to collect, but even the acetate i have from i can hear music is in my opinion not more precious than an award like the BoRap i have? don't know, really? i have a rejected designing idea-item from the jazz album, supposed to be the gimmick inside the albumcover, but it was very costly, easy to get damaged and not very practical too....and then they put in this absolute fabulous poster! What would be the value of such an item then? it was never used, and no-one knows of the idea nowadays, i think it was fab, but not used and unknown....just a piece of art that was useless in the end...quit unique again though? Does anyone have footage or soundrecordings from the South Africa shows in the old days? Been looking for that so long now, it must have been filmed or fotographed or recorded? Never seen 1 picture from any of these shows....seems like they never happened to me, nobody has anything from them....do you know more of this? |
| Ron 14.07.2004 15:39 |
bas asselbergs wrote: a read a line that i do not think is in the same line of thinking ... someone said about the love of my life acetate that he or she would never ASK 100.000 for that. Neither am i asking that, i am not parting with the award for less...that is a slight difference than asking the amount.why didnt you say that in the first place :) |
| Mkls 14.07.2004 15:56 |
Basje, will you ever consider selling a small part of your Queen concert video recordings? Maybe just 15-20 of the 97 concerts you have seen and recorded... ;-) |
| Penetration_Guru 14.07.2004 17:28 |
Oh I SEEEEE You weren't posting it so we'd know how much to offer. You were just showing off. Thanks for clarifying. |
| teddybear 14.07.2004 19:21 |
I am a "serious collector" too - but I must say I HATE to see the talk of collecting in the form of dollars and cents - to me, collecting is for the fun and enjoyment of it, and some of my favourite things in my collection are the most common (and not so rare) - and the rarer things - they sit in a cupboard and so might as well not be there half the time - but ANY collection is only ever worth what someone else is prepared to pay for it. It is also unfair to go on about what things are worth as some just dont have the income to support the big collections - but they still love Queen just as passionately - but coz they might not have the money to buy the autographs and things, does not make them less of a lover of Queen and prove their loyalty. Most of my favourite things are video bootlegs - but really they are worth nothing are they? See - should not be about the money - EVER !! But the love of it. |
| bas asselbergs 14.07.2004 19:38 |
nope, i am not showing off... i am merely trying out some actions to get reactions...prejudice is amongst us, like jealousy....thought Queenfans were brighter than that.I visited 97 Queenconcerts, that is correct,but i only recorded 1 show in Holland and Freddies last ever live performance with the Time musical in'88. I have never been a bootlegger, although many , many other fans have been getting copies of recordings i collected for made costs only. I never made a penny profit on Queen so far. On audio and video. Usually they send me a cassette or whatever and i copy what they want. As long as it doesn't cost me a penny, i am perfectly okay with that. But it really pisses me off, when i visit the next Queenday organised were ever, and see the people behind tables, selling huge piles of copies from my rare recordings and making bigtime money with that behind my back, even after having promised me not to make extra copies of my recordings to keep them special and exclusive. It never worked. The show i recorded with a two-way-split microphone in Holland 86 is my absolutely favorite bootleg. The Quality of the sound is superb! Very good atmosphere and crowd. I also filmed the whole Amsterdam-show from the audience(Queensday)as i knew they were coming there, and the planetariumshow-world-premiere- afterparty , and the afterparty show from the Musicalpremiere--->now Thát is a breathtaking show! Further i recorded nothing....took some pictures, bought some souvenirs etc... and no, i am not going into copying these shows for others anymore, because they will be on the internet making money for people who are not in title to do so. I sent Brian and Roger, Jim Beach and Greg etc copies, and that's it. I could make good money with all the other recordings i also have in my extensive collection, but the good quality contact i have with Queen and the people around them means more to me than a few euros extra....and they know what i have, and really appreciate me NOT selling that. I can keep a secret a secret and something exclusive exclusive...sorry. But, then again, i do occasionally organise a tea-party or so, during which i show the films and play the music to fans...that is allm i will do. People are always welcome to my place and enjoy looking and listening to these items and recordings. Maybe i will ask Hannie if it is okay to show some of it in Oktober...if Hannie and the management and/or Greg approve of it and if they want it at all, or if there is enough time on this actionpacked day...we'll see. I have been called and named many bad things in the past by many people, of whom i hardly ever knew anyone personally. But once your out in the open it is so easy to get accusations and bad sories going round, and i am immune for them now. People have said i am a bigtime bootlegger. That has never been so. Until a year ago, i did not even know how to operate a computer, or did i have the equipment to do that. And even today, i still can't do that as i haven't got the machines o do it with, and even if i had them, i wouldn't be able to work with them. If i want a copy of anything, i depend on other peoples skills and talents and time and equipment to get it done, and untill now, that has only happened to make copies for the guys and some people directly around them. As time goes by, Greg is still working on a daytime base on the so long awaited Queen anthology box set. In that box everything you can possibly think and dream of will be there. So there is no use in me making lesser quality copies anyway. Patience is a virtue. And if they wish to use some of my footage of the occasions i did record, they may do so. i even found a few recordings of which Greg didn't even know of their existance at all. So some of those will be in that box and come your way in the end somehow i guess... Many recordings do already circulate amongst the fans, who will probably say when this anthology is released: "oh, how little |
| Mr. Scully 15.07.2004 02:19 |
97 Queen concerts (in Europe it would mean every single gig since 1980 or so)? Well, your Dutch friends say you saw Queen only once, in Leiden 1986 :-) |
| bas asselbergs 15.07.2004 05:01 |
Wrong again. Queen played 309 shows under the name Queen in Europe. 305 with Freddie and 4 after he died. My first was 08-12-1974 in The Hague as supportingact for Mott The Hoople. i was 11 then, now i'm 41. Live Aid was already my 75th concert-visit. So, 97 out of 305 is exactly 33%. That means i have seen them 1 time per 3 shows. That seems a lot, but don't forget that on the other hand i missed twice as many shows! I missed 2 out of 3. And relatively seen it isn't that much anymore then. You claim to know all my "friends" while you yourself don't even know me at all...we have had contact in the past through the web, but where did you get to know my "friends" in Holland then, and who do you think they are then? name me some names!? As i can't even name one myself. how do you think you know any "friends "from me? You are claiming to know some of the people in my life around me...very , very strange indeed. I have always been a loner, a great white solitair swimming alone....so howcome you say this about me? What do i do for a living then? What car do i drive? What does my house look like and where is it? Do i have brothers and sisters? Are my parents still alive? What do you think you know about me? What kind of work and how long did i do that before he work i do now? If your friends are so close to me, then you must be able to find that out within a day? So please, answer ALL these questions correctly, and then i will believe you know people around me. But you will not be abe to provide the answers, as nobody knows me at all! And thepeople who do know me, are 100% unknown to you and anybody else in the "Queen-world", as they do not take part in it. I have heard from your friends that you have sex with little children and animals....but i have only heared that....from people who claim to be your friends too...know what i mean? get the point? So either stick to facts or shut your f..k up! People who just say things about me, but don't even know me personally really piss me off! It has nothing to do with treating others correctly. Why would you say such a thing? Were YOU there at the doors watching if i were there, or any of my or your "friends"? People don't even remember what i looked like say 18 years ago...in 86 when Queen toured te last time, and in the early and late 70's and early 80's i looked totally different from the way i look now...i have been living alone in studenthouses since i was 15...and been on 5 different schools in 5 years because i was always gone...hitchhiking with truckers to follow Queen through Europe...so what do you know at all from me? There are people in my life who KNOW that i have been a Queenfan and follower since 1974...and from 1978 was living on my own after my parents devorced. So, no matter what you think to know, you don't know it from myself or any of the people in my life who REALLY know me. All you get to hear, is hearsay gossip from jealous fans who don't know me at all. So, for the future, do not continue with spreading untrue stories and made up hearsay about me. Get to know me first. Personally. because this brings you nothing. Or others. It only pisses me off. We are supposed to be sharing the same passion for the best band ever, and what you are doing has nothing to do with that at all. Go to another forum to throw with mud, dirt and lies about fellow fans. My reaction to your remarks is so ferocious because i am sick and tired of always being attacked and accused falsely by people i don't know. To me, it has only to do with jealousy... and i understand that people who can't understand me or the way i lived and live have different thoughts ....but what is normal for me, can be very extreme for others. And the other way 'round again too... live and let live. we're all God's people at the end of the day. Keep Queening, stop gossiping. cheerzzz Basje |
| YourValentine 15.07.2004 05:39 |
Breathe in.... breathe out |
| Penetration_Guru 15.07.2004 06:16 |
not showing off...97 Queen concerts....best sounding bootleg is the one I recorded.....blah blah blah. |
| Utti 15.07.2004 09:33 |
After reading it all I must say (though I am new in this forum) that its always the same in this world. People fight with each other and talk about things with not the slightest idea about it. Can anybody remove Mr. Scully's and Penetration_gurus replies? I thought this is a collector's forum and I am very pleased to read such interesting stories from Bas and other seriously Queen fans. I never would dare to question the value of these items. They are really one of the most rare pieces left on planet earth and if guys out there are not interested in these items so they should stop spreading their opinions about it |
| Queenland 15.07.2004 09:55 |
This is not a Collector forum. Both Ron and Martin have collectors forums on their websites, but this Zone forum is more visited, that´s it. There is no moderator for post removal, so get used to it :) Coke and fried potatoes for hangman, anyone else ? |
| YourValentine 15.07.2004 10:34 |
Dear Utti, you are probably a role model for people who don't know what they are talking about. You are new, so maybe you just can't know better but if you bother to get some facts and information, you will pretty soon find out who are the collectors here and who are the show offs. For a start I recommend two websites link and link You won't find any eggcups with Freddie faces there but maybe you get an idea that it's not an insurance appraiser or the ridiculous alleged value of a golden disc award that makes a collector "serious". I'll have a hot tea with honey and a valium, Henrique :) |
| deleted user 15.07.2004 10:50 |
I second what Henrique and Barbara said... this thread is one of the most funny and weird I ever read here, never read so much bulls*it about collecting items. Ron and Mr.Scully are amongst the best persons existing in Queen world about items values and I share their thought: the award doesn't have an high value, the signs don't add much to the whole thing, especially because the most important one is missing and no one needs the one from a dutch dj... I guess that no experts are needed to say that 100.000 euro is just a fool price for such a (beautiful item). Maybe a price between 2500 and 5000 euro would be more appropriate. I wouldn't comment some other ridicolous facts, I'd better stay silent and the same I suggest to someone else. Or I will have to ask some camomille and valium to Queenland too! |
| agneepath! 11994 15.07.2004 16:32 |
bas asselbergs: " I have always been a loner" perhaps this explains it all and why he needs a reality check. AND "Utti" your comment below is outragious especially for a newcomer to this board. "Can anybody remove Mr. Scully's and Penetration_gurus replies?" when you first join a internet forum you look around and discover who are the experts before posting anything controversial. Their opinions are well respected by all at this forum. You have a long way to go! |
| Penis - Vagina 15.07.2004 16:52 |
Man, you guys were supposed to get rid of Lisa again, not all this other stuff.. but I'm happy you're enjoying the thread anyway. I'll keep trying to find older interesting threads :-P |
| bas asselbergs 16.07.2004 15:00 |
I never said that my recording from Leiden IS the best, i said i LIKE IT BEST. The quality is uncomparable to other bootlegs i have and have heard. That is because of the recording equipment i used to record it with. I played that in the bus from London to Southport, on the way to the convention in 1992. Joris Donkel from the swap office , said later to me, that he never ever enjoyed listening to a bootleg as much as he did in the bus listening to my tapes. Now, h's not the first the best, and i really took that as a great compliment coming from him with all his expertise and knowledge from Queenrecordings. You also said collectively, that UTTI is the best example of somebody who doesn't know what she is talking about. She wrote that she had read ALL posts first, and then made her remarks. She has a right to. But what none of you lot know, is that received lifelong free of charge membership of the OIQFC from Mr. Brian May himself personally! Now, THAT is a very great honour to receive that from Queen, and she is maybe the only who ever got this? So, she knows about things, is a friend of Brian, and certainly deserves a hell of a lot more respect and dignity from all you arrogant @#$%*! Your responses have made her decide to write her opinion, and i can understand her. So, lets keep this link as it is stated on the frontpage, the openingspage from queenzone.com as: FOR SERIOUS COLLECTORS ONLY for serious collectors only. bohemian is wrong about that, it IS a link that is named like this. so if you are not a serious collector, then please go somewhere else. |
| Norman 16.07.2004 18:21 |
Queen did not support Mott The Hoople for their 1974 European Sheer Heart Attack tour. They headlined at The Hague in December '74 |
| Penetration_Guru 17.07.2004 05:48 |
"I never said that my recording from Leiden IS the best, i said i LIKE IT BEST." No, you said it was the best sounding. "The quality is uncomparable to other bootlegs i have and have heard. That is because of the recording equipment i used to record it with." See? "You also said collectively, that UTTI is the best example of somebody who doesn't know what she is talking about. She wrote that she had read ALL posts first, and then made her remarks. She has a right to." 1. It wasn't said "collectively". One person said it. 2. If she really read all the posts first, why ask for mine to be removed? I had reasoned and moderate responses to Lisa's posts, and have been fairly lighthearted and reasoned with you. See pages 2 & 4. "But what none of you lot know, is that received lifelong free of charge membership of the OIQFC from Mr. Brian May himself personally!" No wonder the fan club is on it's last legs - lifelong freebies? "Now, THAT is a very great honour to receive that from Queen, and she is maybe the only who ever got this? So, she knows about things, is a friend of Brian, and certainly deserves a hell of a lot more respect and dignity from all you arrogant @#$%*!" Oh I see, friends of Brian's are bigger Queen fans than us mere mortals...come on Basje you know that's not the case. "Your responses have made her decide to write her opinion, and i can understand her." Fair enough, the more opinions the better...although your opinion seems to be that we shouldn't have an opinion. Isn't that unfair? "So, lets keep this link as it is stated on the frontpage, the openingspage from queenzone.com as: FOR SERIOUS COLLECTORS ONLY for serious collectors only. bohemian is wrong about that, it IS a link that is named like this." OK, I'm very serious about my collection. "so if you are not a serious collector, then please go somewhere else." Sorry, the more the merrier. Non-serious collectors may wish to ask questions. Although they should now be aware that questions such as "what was the point of getting a Dutch DJ to sign a UK sales award for a record he played in Holland a few times?" may be unwelcome. Basje, your first post on this thread starts "I am selling". Later you said that you didn't want to sell, you were just highlighting the value of your collection. Later still you denied that this was just showing off. Criticising everyone that disagrees with you makes your opinions harder to respect. |
| S@turn 17.07.2004 07:45 |
It is funny to read the topic from the point that basje dropped in with "valueing" his own items on the list. And then, when people start raising their eyebrows, bas thinks that they, we are jealous that he has this item?.... I personally thought already when you let that borhap item sign by Frits Spits, that you were de valueing the thing for anyone else then you. Others did say that here as well, and I think that maybe you regret that he put the sign on it, instead of that IT is more worthful for you, basje, I understand that, but do not have the illusion that the item gets more wort with an unknown autograph on it! Okay, I repeat what others said, but do not think that I am jealous. I should love to have more QUeen items, but I am already happy with a for me unknown book of Mick Rock with pictures taht I havent seen in my 30 years queenfandom :):) *steps off his soapbox back in a sweaty misery* |
| SallyJ. 17.07.2004 07:53 |
Basje wrote: "at least we have a proper topic now and a discussion and sharing points of view coming from all that... me, i couldn't care less wether the items are sold or not. i am not saying the value is the right one, all i am saying is that IF anyone wants it, that this is the price i want to get in order to let me part with it. I will not part with it for less, and it is my good right to say this.Who says that i want to part with it at all? As stated before: i must not sell it, but for this money i will! Haven't you all got items in your collections that you would never ever part with? But what if someone comes along and says: "hey...i want that...here you have €100.000,- if you'll sell it for that"...." Yes, I might sell it if someone would offer me that much money, out of the blue. But, Basje, that is something completely different than what you are doing: telling everyone these things are for sale. There is a huge difference between accepting an offer, or trying to sell something and then saying people are jealous because they do not want to buy your story, or pay that ridiculous amount of money for it. I have a nice collection myself, although I don't have many rare items. But the things I have a worth a lot to me, emotionally. The letter and emails I got from Brian are worth a million to me for instance, but would I offer to sell it for a million? I don't think so! It is worth that much to ME. It is useless to anyone else. It's the same with your Bo Rhap story and the Frits Spits autograph. To YOU it's worth this much. Besides, the thing I don't understand is, if it's worth this much to you, why do you want to part with it? |
| S@turn 17.07.2004 08:03 |
one more line to add... I read again what basje all writes, about how many bootlegs and items he has.. I wonder how he is valued by the queen officials, fanclub and the queen members, can you tell me about that, Basje? I am just curious, because I hear so many rumours, I want to hear it from the person himself how he sees that the queen world thinks about him.. THe queen fans is clear, how they think about him huh? |
| Queenland 23.07.2004 15:56 |
Sorry for the delay on my reply, Barbara and Hangman, but I ran out of valium and camomille, and had get out and buy some for you... |
| LittQueenie 29.07.2004 18:00 |
Hey!! Someone buy Basje's stuff!! I need the child support!!!!!!! I am SO not kidding!! :-) |
| ♥Killer_Queen1946♥ 29.07.2004 20:35 |
Um, my mom was a serious collector also, but sadly, when she got divorced, her ex husband got the records and stuff. that really sucks. But im sure she would have never sold them. She loves queen as much as i do. ta-ta |
| LittQueenie 29.07.2004 20:56 |
Oh, that's so sad.....sorry about her collection - that really sux!!!!!!!!! |
| ♥Killer_Queen1946♥ 29.07.2004 21:04 |
I know. I would love to see her collection. She said she was collecting them ever since Queen came out, 73, and when she lost them in the divorce, 91. its soo sad. :( |
| *goodco* 01.11.2004 10:24 |
just a 'bump' for old times sake |
| MetzgerR 01.11.2004 12:32 |
Well, this has certainly provided some serious entertainment - and now I'm horribly curious about what exactly was going on with Lisa for the first few pages... Hm...I'm now rather intimidated by the vast majority of those who posted previously, especially as I've been thinking about beginning a (obviously small) collection of my own...But if anyone wouldn't mind offering advice to a very new Queen fan, I would most certainly appreciate it. Oh dear, I suppose in asking for help I've just admitted I'm not a serious collector myself, haven't I? Oh well... Denki denki! |
| Maz 01.11.2004 12:38 |
What kind of advice do you want? Things to collect to make money or things to collect because they are neat to have? |
| MetzgerR 01.11.2004 12:49 |
Sorry, I probably should have clarified - I would like to start a small collection just...well, for me. I don't have the funds to become what is probably considered a 'serious collector', but I'm still interested in finding what I can! I definitely don't mean to ask for advice and help with the intention of selling anything I might buy. Denki! |
| Shadysenator RHYE 01.11.2004 18:10 |
@ Basje Hi Basje well we never spoke to each other did we? Well I have heard that your collection isn't that exciting without the autograph part then. Didn't you sell your collection for your marriage ? Or girlfriend? What left is a handfull of cd's ?? So I've heard... Well I agree with you that the UK award Boh. Rhap. without any signatures is worth a lot...or at least the sentimental value will increase the price... The normal value would maybe twice the price of any normal award... But I agree it's the ultimate item to have.... About your John immortals value question: well signed I don;t think it's worth much I think a signed John Deacon version of a average Queen single would me worth a lot more...who collects that immortal crap anyway?? I mean most of the Queen fans don;t want all the solo crap too.... And there's only a small percentage of the queen fans which are die hard collectors,and this number won't really increase in the future cause clonning of fans drops way back... simply: few Queen fans add these days... young people like music like O-zone a lot more (why god why ????) And Basje are you still looking for the South Aferica recordings then contact me! @ the woman who started this topic: Here in Holland you can't insure your Queen (or whatever) collection, because we dutch people are not stupid!! Vinyl,cd's (especially) bootlegs are worthless to the insurace compagnies. Example I have over 600 queen (pressed silver cd's) I can insure them for eg.€ 10.000 (I paid more for them!!) when I claim due to theft or fire I will get 600 * 5.- euro's = 3000 euro's back for the (at the most!!!) why : Because the insurance: -don;t see them as antiques -Though it would be rated as antiques as the maximum antique payment of insurance is only 5000 € max. Why they do that : well "over"insurance is forbidden (in all eg countries!) it's easy to fraud. Well let's say I'll buy a Greatest hits Lp holland original in a second hand shop for 10€ I will insure it as antique for 15000,- € claiming it's the most rare item. I hire Martin to steal it from my house , claim my 15k.'s give martin about 5k. And burn the lp... Though you can get a policy here in holland but they wil never pay out the claim to it;s full (due to the antique law, and the changing of vaulue's * , and you cannot prove the value eg. a diamont watch : you can get a taxation report from a certified Antique dealer, and with Queen you simply cannot get some kind of certificate. ' * okay you claim your beatle collection is worth 250g's !! Well I'm 25 at this moment supose I'll die when I'm 85 how many fans would there be when I die ? How many demand will there be for those items??? I think it's the same with Queen , no the collecting prices are still increasing but they will reach a highest point and then decrease very fastly, cause then at that point no-one collects Queen anymore.... and your collection will be worthless... Good point hey?? Well I'll stop collecting till I'm 85 and then buy everything for a few cents... my BLUE Bo rhap for € 4,- , my Freddie award of Somebody to love for € 2,- wauw that would be great !! Well about the claim payment : you can see why I don't smoke in my house anymore! Cheers... |
| LittQueenie 07.12.2004 16:18 |
another bump for fun's sake: Has anyone bought any of Basje's collection yet? I need the child support....I know, I know, I can dream on, on both counts! |
| Deacons 1st Choice 07.12.2004 22:18 |
Wow..this thread was quite a read. My thought at the moment: Basje is boasting about items he does not even own. This is the thought that runs through my head as i read this. I could be worng, yes, but something tells me it's not the enire truth we are hearing here. Ah, the internet is truly a lovely thing...you can pretend to be whoever you wish..... |
| LittQueenie 08.12.2004 11:56 |
he's not real good at telling the truth I'm afraid-I know him pretty well... |
| deleted user 08.12.2004 15:45 |
I'm a huge video collector. I just collect comedys. I know that dosn't really count but never mind. I also collect Queen pretty madly. I've got all thier albums on vinyl and Cd and cassette tape. I also have all the videos and all the DVDS with the exeption of a couple which i still have to get. In years to come do you think my Queen collection would be worth much? I know my videos are worth alot as i have collected a lot of rare deleted items. Sorry this is a bit off track. |
