QueenZone discussion #308783
John Edwards...
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 22.01.2004 13:56 |
Is kinda cute. Who else thinks so? (The Democratic primary guy, not the dude who talks to the afterlife.) |
| Flashman 22.01.2004 13:59 |
Never heard of him, but seeing as he's a Democrat I'll be sure to have some spare rope about me if our paths ever cross. Always got time for a good lynching. |
| Mr Coolest Cat 22.01.2004 14:00 |
The only John Edwards i know is the Olympic long jump champion. |
| Antici...pation 22.01.2004 17:30 |
"Is kinda cute. Who else thinks so? (The Democratic primary guy, not the dude who talks to the afterlife.)" lol i was gonna say "That dude is crazy!" but then you said it wasn't the guy who thinks he can talk to the afterlife... so who's this john edwards dude? i dont know this one... |
| Penis - Vagina 22.01.2004 17:36 |
I'd rather do the psychic. |
| Margo 22.01.2004 18:39 |
Am I the only other person whos heard of him? He looks really young, but hes like 52 or something. thats really screwed up. I mean- when I first saw him I thought he was like 20. link ^--Pic of scary young looking 52-year-old man. srry- I had to give my little rant on that. |
| Janet 22.01.2004 18:45 |
I've heard of him, and I think he's quite handsome as well! |
| iron eagle 22.01.2004 18:50 |
had 'em both $5 for copies of my reviews.... |
| Saffron Caribou 22.01.2004 19:08 |
LOL I also thought it was about the psychic guy! He is kinda handsome. I'd rather go for Dean, he is kinda handsome. |
| geeksandgeeks 22.01.2004 20:15 |
Edwards, according to my local paper, was voted the sexiest politician in America in some poll. If you ask me, he's a Republican disguised as a Democrat who is making the entire south, me included, look bad. If we can't produce anyone any better than that, maybe we ARE hopeless...:'( |
| Maz 22.01.2004 20:41 |
I probably shouldn't ask, but I need the depression: How is Edwards like a Republican, and how is he making the South look bad? |
| iron eagle 22.01.2004 22:03 |
except for the fact he is a legal eagle who made millions handling personal injury-workers comp cases.. this guy is totally middle road democrat in a state turning more republican by the day-- he is better then helms though...anyone would be |
| Maz 22.01.2004 22:21 |
Ok, so next question: What's wrong with being a middle of the road Democrat, especially when among Republicans? Surely electability has to account for some. |
| Krizzy 23.01.2004 10:01 |
Too good looking to be president. Men would never vote for an attractive guy for president as women wouldn't vote for an attractive woman. Sorry it has been stated in a psycological journal many times before. And don't bring up JFK he wasn't that good looking. LOL!!! Kriz ;o) |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2004 14:57 |
John Edwards (as well as Kerry) is one of those guys who doesn't know on what side is he standing on. First they support the war in Iraq, and then they show their regret by opossing to the funding of the war itself. |
| geeksandgeeks 23.01.2004 15:51 |
Exactly, Dan, couldn't have said it any better. Zeni - he is not a good presidential candidate for the Dems. Two of his favorite things to do are bash the other candidates and talk about what a great guy Bush is. We can't afford another Dukakis. |
| Erin 23.01.2004 16:50 |
I heard Edwards was 50 the other day..certainly doesn't look it. He's gonna campaign big time down here I bet. We are getting inundated with commercials showing the house he grew up in in S.C. and him talkin' about the "2 Americas." Our election is Feb. 3rd.. I better decide who I'm votin' for pretty quick. The main thing I will be focusing on is who can get that moron Bush out of the White House. |
| Maz 23.01.2004 17:05 |
Fairly certain that in Iowa, Edwards did not bash the other contenders nor praise Bush. Also, are Democrats looking for a candidate that opposed the war from the beginning (Dean), supported the war from the beginning (Lieberman), or flipped positions (The Rest of the Field)? Or is it fair to actually consider other problems facing America when settling on a candidate? The battle ground is going to be for the middle of the road, so in that respects, Edwards may not be a poor candidate. You can bet that if Dean is selected, then Bush will try to be a centrist President and label Dean as a left-wing nut. Middle of the road worked for Clinton, might work for Edwards. And no, I do not advocate Dean or Edwards. As an actual voter, I have yet to decide who I will support, but I'm not leaning in either of those two directions. |
| Erin 23.01.2004 17:11 |
Doesn't really matter who the Democratic nominee is HERE anyway.. A Democrat will never get S.C.'s 6 little electorial votes in the election, thus making my vote not worth squat. :-/ |
| geeksandgeeks 23.01.2004 20:14 |
Watching Edwards at the debate where Sharpton went nuts on Dean, I wanted to leap through the screen and slap him. He seems like a nice enough guy, but he can't debate. Maybe a left-wing nut is exactly what the Democrats need. Clinton had a big advantage over any one of these guys, and that's that Bush I botched his war. I have to admit that Bush II could have handled things worse (not that we ever should have been in a war in the first place), and it certainly hasn't lost him a lot of support. We cannot win this election with Dukakis No. 2. If by some miracle Edwards wins the nomination, he will have the entire Republican party pointing the bleeding-heart liberal finger at him, regardless of whether he is one or not. They did it to Dukakis, and it worked. Oh my, did it ever work. Edwards is not a bleeding-heart liberal. I am a bleeding-heart liberal. Maybe a far left-winger is what we need. They can't use that weapon against him...because the entire country will have one reaction: "No shit." |
| Mr Coolest Cat 23.01.2004 20:57 |
Hey Barry, i hear you man, its just hard getting heard through all these Yanks, Jonathan a very religeous man, from Gateshead, gold medal winner and world record holder. |
| Saint Jiub 23.01.2004 21:07 |
This country is not litigous enough. We need an ambulance chaser running the country who gets the majority of his election funding from fellow lawyer cronies. What about Liberman. He's a bit of whiner and worries too much about the moral fabric of this country, but at least he is mainsteam on most issues. Looks like the presidentional choice will be between: Lazy, unproductive, inefficient, anti-competitive, protectionist mob-controlled UNIONs. versus Money-grubbing, embezzling big-business Without a moderate candidate, I will be forced to chose Bush because efficient productive criminals are better for the economy than unproductive, inefficient criminal leeches. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.01.2004 21:30 |
Mandy, how much of a left-winger are you? Would you mind if I send you a Che Guevara shirt for your birthday? |
| iron eagle 23.01.2004 22:09 |
i dont recall him bashing bush either or his counterparts- he is credited with not going negative in Iowa-- unless that changed in the last few hours... zeni i was only responding to geeks opinion- to yours for me there is nothing wrong with middle of the road--thats the road clinton walked many a time-- and it is likely the only way a democrat will be elected at this point i am not happy with any of the choices-- not democrat nor republican perhaps a write in should be started for me!!! |
| Maz 24.01.2004 12:14 |
Face it, IE, you were levelling a highly personal attack on my political leanings. That's the only possible excuse, as I never misread or misinterpret anyone's post. :) As for the belief that Dems need a bleeding-heart liberal, that's a cliche that only works in an ideal world. The elder Bush lost to Clinton not because he botched his war, but because the economy went into the crapper. International issues rarely elect Presidents, and this year will be no different. When it comes to November, I think people will worry about Health care and medical costs, tax relief, and the economy more than Iraq. God knows I will. |
| iron eagle 24.01.2004 12:38 |
:) |
| geeksandgeeks 24.01.2004 16:45 |
"When it comes to November, I think people will worry about Health care and medical costs, tax relief, and the economy more than Iraq. God knows I will." In that case, I have something for you: link |
| Margo 24.01.2004 17:21 |
dude you guys- saying "maybe the middle of the road is the best way to go" is like saying "ok- I give up on issues. we're gonna loose anyway" now, I'm not saying that negativity is bad, as I am a very negative person. however- electing someone like Liberman or Edwards is like loosing- except then I win a bet that I have with my mom.(but thats only if Lieberman wins)(long story) In the long run, tho- most people, wait EVERYONE looses. cos democrats dont have a candidate that they really support, and republicans don't like democrats. it's a loose loose situation. and then when comes time for reelection, democrats will be forced to support them for the next term, cos being the current president he has the best chance of winning. therefore- we'll all pretty much be screwed for 8 years. My point- vote Dean. |
| deleted user 24.01.2004 18:15 |
I think Edwards looks like Richard Chamberlain. *giggle* |
| geeksandgeeks 24.01.2004 18:59 |
Exactly, Margo. We can't all be Republicans. Diversity makes the world go 'round. |
| Maz 24.01.2004 19:27 |
Oh to be young and idealistic. I forgot how futile it can be to discuss liberal ideology with youth. As much as I would have agreed with you all years ago, I have discovered that not everyone can live in an ideal world. If you lean too far to the Left, then that leaves the center open for the Right to claim. Keep in mind that the majority of people are centrist by nature and do not want to upset the status quo. Democrats, in order to survive especially as their party decreases in numbers, need to embrace the middle more than they do, and it's not that hard (exhibit one - Bill Clinton). As for Dean's ideas for Health Care, I suggest you also peruse Clark's, Kerry's, and Edwards' policies and you'll notice they are not that different. As a matter of fact, I doubt there is a Democrat that opposes univerisal health care to some extent. And finally, Margo without the T, I really don't follow your argument one bit, particularly the "lose-lose" argument. Care to try that again? |
| Saint Jiub 24.01.2004 19:50 |
LOL Zeni. Is it McGovern part 2? Will history repeat itself. Will a candidate of dubious ethics again be re-elected because an un-electable democratic candidate will win the primary? Why must a far right president be diametrically opposed by a far left candidate? Bush is ripe for the picking, but the Democratic Party seems more intent on trying to win the lotto with an unelectable far left candidate rather than someone who can win the election by getting popular support. |
| geeksandgeeks 24.01.2004 19:50 |
They need to embrace the middle more than they do? How much more can they do that? There is a reason I generally don't like Democrats any more than I do Republicans. I don't feel I can support a person who shares about 30% of my views, even if they are running against someone who shares about 10%. I will support Edwards if he wins the nomination, but I won't be happy about it. I like Dean because he's not afraid. He's not afraid to run afoul of many of these people who call themselves the "middle" (among them are John Kerry, Joe Lieberman, George Bush, Newt Gingrich, Bill O'Reilly, William Safire, Alan Colmes, and Charles Krauthammer - for every one of them except Colmes, that's a real laugh). The middle has quite enough representation in the world. Everything, at least in my neck of the woods, is done to please the conservatives and/or the "middle". Southern liberals in particular should be supporting Howard Dean - this man knows what he wants for America, and he's not afraid to say it out loud, rather than shrink back into a corner and let Karl Rove run his campaign. |
| Daburcor? 25.01.2004 00:03 |
I haven't ever found a presidential canidate that I gave a damn about... This year is no different. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 25.01.2004 11:39 |
My family's voting for Bush, but presidents don't really do much so I don't really care either way. I just hope we don't get Dean and pull out of Iraq and end up having the country go down the tubes again. |
| iron eagle 25.01.2004 12:17 |
Dean has yet to win me over-try as I may to like the guy- there always is a nagging voice that says 'whoa boy' he has flipped flopped on many issues greenspan being the latest- so for me the jury is still out on this one a good read on the democratic party these days is zell millers book-interesting to see what a life long no budge democrat has to say flip a coin time |
| Margo 25.01.2004 12:58 |
OK Zeni- Ill try again. There are 7 Democratic candidates left. They are all running on different tickets, but the main issue is defeating Bush. Now, I'm for beating Bush as much as the next bleading-heart liberal. However, I don't want a candidate that doen't represent most of my views (like Mandy said). Getting a "middle of the road" candidate may beat Bush, but also won't represent most of the liberal's views in an effort to please both parties. What will end up happening is that Republicans won't like the president, because he's a Democrat. Democrats won't like him because he's too much like a Republican. See- no one wins. no one has a candidate that they really want- the election becomes a lesser of two evils decision. I want a candidate that I can support because s/he has the same views as me and will try to get bills passed that support what I believe in. I don't want a candidate that I support simply because s/he's not a Republican. Is that clearer? |
| Maz 25.01.2004 13:17 |
"Democrats won't like him because he's too much like a Republican." You assume that all Democrats are to the far Left, and if that were the case, the perhaps what you say is true. Fortunately, many Demcocrats in Congress are more realistic, and the idea that they won't work with the new President, which would only handicap them, make them useless, and open for defeat by Republicans, is incorrect. Democrats in Congress will happily work with the Democratic President, at least for a time being, simply because he is not Bush. And I agree with Eagle: Dean puts me off but I have yet to find a candidate who I support fully. |
| Mr.Jingles 25.01.2004 15:12 |
It might be true that it's the right thing to keep the balance between the left and right. Both extremes of either one are not good. But it's absolutely true that Republicans are more leaned to the 'extreme right wing' than Democrats to the 'extreme left wing', and that's why I don't trust Republicans. |
| Margo 25.01.2004 19:37 |
Zeni, I never said that congress wouldn't work with the president if he's middle of the road. I said that they (and the rest of the population) wouldn't like him as much as someone, who say, agreed with them. |
| Saffron Caribou 26.01.2004 17:08 |
On a lighter note, Am I the only one that thought that Dean's shouting last week in Iowa reminded of Old School WWF shouting matches?! WRESTLEMANIA! So the New Hampshire results will be tomrrow, who will win? I think it would be Kerry again. |
| geeksandgeeks 26.01.2004 20:47 |
Sega, Dean's not in favor of pulling out of Iraq. He actually wants to fix things. You're thinking of Kucinich, hon. |
| iron eagle 26.01.2004 21:15 |
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ready.................. to........ rumble.......... |
| Saffron Caribou 26.01.2004 22:02 |
Dean: GRRRRRRRRRRRR YOU ARE NEXT HULK HOGAN! RANDY SAVAGE! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR SEE YOU AT WRESTLEMANIA! |
| Margo 27.01.2004 16:49 |
lol- a MUCH lighter note. I don't think Dean'll be doing Wrestlemania anytime soon.... |
| Saffron Caribou 27.01.2004 18:15 |
Well I have to say that Dean has a great sense of humour. I was watching the Daily Show last night. Dean was being interviewed by John Stewart. It was very funny, because during the interview Dean and Stewart you could hear their thoughts speaking some very outrageous things. |
| iron eagle 27.01.2004 18:17 |
see him on Hardball?? |
| geeksandgeeks 27.01.2004 18:50 |
Dean's awesome. Unlike some of you, I actually saw the whole "Yeeeeeaaaaaargh" speech. He was smiling and laughing throughout all of it, and the college kids in the audience cracked up. He's PASSIONATE! He's the exact opposite of Dukakis! That's making me feel very optimistic! |
| Saffron Caribou 27.01.2004 21:43 |
Kerry won the NH primary. link |
| geeksandgeeks 27.01.2004 22:12 |
I heard. *cries* |