| Queenleaf 29.12.2003 14:22 |
I was just wondering how all you guys feel about illegal downloading of songs, copying of sheet music, etc. This is one of those subjects which I would probably not want to post in myself so I won't comment... but I was just wondering about everyone else's views. |
| eggy 29.12.2003 14:37 |
lol. If you don't want to comment, why the hell should anyone else amuse you. |
| Guy 29.12.2003 14:43 |
Good point eggy, but I'll still comment ;) I've never downloaded any Queen song that I don't own and that had been released officially... In fact, I don't own most of the albums, which leaves me not-knowing most of the songs (but I still hear them on bootlegs). About other artists, I do download a song or two, but never a whole album. Sometimes I just don't feel like spending $20 on an album that only has 2 songs I want. I think it's very important to keep copyrights safe, and I speak as someone who used to download 10 computer games every week (I stopped that as I changed my views). |
| Penis - Vagina 29.12.2003 15:12 |
Argument 1 - I pay for everything I download. $50 a month for a cable internet connection. And that's even with owning my own modem. There's the 34.95 regular fee (which used to be 29.95) plus a $10 fee for NOT having their TV service, and $5 or so for who knows what.. Cox has stopped itemizing their bills here.. it's just a flat $49.95 So, let Cox pay the artists. I'm paying enough already ;) Argument 2 - I feel if someone buys a CD it becomes their property and they can share it with anyone they wish to, including everyone who has an internet connection if they so choose. As long as they aren't charging for it, they aren't profiting from the artist's work. This is hard to accept I know.. because the artist can lose revenue for people downloading rather than buying.. but lots of things in life are unfair. And true fans will always want to buy the CD to have an original copy with all artwork. Argument 3 - New CDs are too expensive. Last month I paid $15.99 plus tax (total $17) for "Hot Space" at 'Best Buy' because I needed a replacement after 12 years. This is a catalog title. Remastered over 12 years ago. It should sell for $8.99 or so IMO. So record companies need to change a few things to balance out their losses.. or is it that fans are having to pay more to cover the losses? If so, that's not the way to go. Volume dear.. Volume. Argument 3- As Stone Cold Crazy's signature says, royalties are not lost for something that isn't being sold in the first place. Bonus tracks are a good example. Let's say an artists has a new album out. In Japan, they get 2 bonus tracks. That's unfair to other markets. An American who buys the American version and doesn't get these bonus tracks has every right to download them far as I'm concerned. They've already paid for the album. This is another example of record companies/artists screwing people. If something's going to be released and there's room for it on the CD, fucking put it there in ALL countries. Stop the favoritism! And now for my personal policy- I generally only download stuff that fits in argument 3. Occasionally I'll download an album from a newsgroup (much better than file-sharing programs btw.. people care about quality and check for glitches before uploading as a general rule) to see if I like something.. if I do, I buy the CD. |
| Queenleaf 29.12.2003 15:26 |
Well if you must know I was wondering but I'm not quite sure on my own convictions. I didn't want to get in a big fight with people who thought differently when I have not finished thinking it through myself. As far as used cds I never buy new ones if i can help it (while saying this let me say I have bought every queen cd I own new) thank you for replying deacon fan, that was very nicely layed out. |
| Penis - Vagina 29.12.2003 15:44 |
Used CDs are another good point... now selling them should be illegal too, right? That's someone profiting from artists work and they get no royalties! But it's okay because the CD has already been paid for. Well, in most cases, someone paid for the CDs which MP3s are shared from too, and they aren't making a new profit by sharing those. It's those bloody CD resellers the industry should be going after! LOL I just think there's a balance which would keep everyone happy. I truly believe people would buy more discs if the prices were more reasonable. It's up to the industry to figure such things out.. a balance of price, advertising, free samples. Downloading can never be stopped.. it's just a fact of life now. They can shut down all the sharing services, sue people, whatever.. there will still be people sharing between each other, in Hubs, newsgroups, etc. And this so-called copy protected stuff is a joke. People will always find a way around such things. All the companies are doing is making people hate them even more. And causing people to download. If you buy a CD and can't easily copy it, you might end up downloading copies for yourself. I'll shut up for now ;) |
| Penis - Vagina 29.12.2003 15:48 |
And furthermore, people like Metallica... if they're really hurting in the pocketbook, it's probably because the lazy fucks wait 10 years between albums, not because some fans are downloading their OLD stuff. |
| Queenleaf 29.12.2003 15:55 |
you have a lot to say on the subject lol |
| Penis - Vagina 29.12.2003 15:59 |
It's a fun topic Queenleaf :) I should take a break. I'm really charged up today and I don't want to make any enemies. (Other than record companies and Metallica) LOL I'll be back in a few hours. I love you all so very very much! |
| deleted user 29.12.2003 16:03 |
I copy CDs all the time! Yeah, I know its illegal, too, but I just... do it! If they keep selling blank CDs at the local stores, I'm just gonna keep buying 'em so I can burn them... That's their purpose, right? |
| Queenleaf 29.12.2003 16:08 |
thank you deacon fan! You are charged up! my dad burns cds and my mom thinks that's so unfair when they are copyrighted. Oh well. |
| deleted user 29.12.2003 16:08 |
Double post... :S |
| deleted user 29.12.2003 16:12 |
i don't give a fuck about it. i download things for free. and as for sheet music, if it's normal sized on the page, i print it out. big whoop! who cares? i hate celebrities who are in the business just for the money and not because they love doing what they do for a living. then they complain when they can only afford a $3,000,000,000 house instead of a $4,000,000,000 house! BOO FUCKING HOO PEOPLE!!! EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO OR WATCH WHAT THEY WANT TO FOR FREE!!! Even if there wasn't a such thing as Kazaa or other downloading programs, people would still find a way to get music for free! cd burner.... they could borrow their friend's cd and copy it onto their computer... see, free? cept it's uploading... anyway, you get the point... |
| Maz 29.12.2003 16:26 |
Allow me to paraphrase a bit- "Argument 1 - I pay for internet service" This makes no sense at all. "Argument 2 - It's my property" True, the physical CD is, but not the intellectual property. Until you have created something on your own, then had it stolen without any due compensation, you won't know how much that hurts. I assume that all intellectual property, whether computer software, sheet music, or textbooks are up for grabs with you? The idea that "lots of things in life are unfair" is just a poor justification to do what you want and achieves nothing. "Argument 3 - CDs are expensive" The glory about music is that while it is sure neat to have, it is not necessary for survival. If you were Jean Valjean and needed some bread, then perhaps stealing it would be justified. But stealing music, certainly an extravangace to begin with, is just lazy. Second, there are new download services that allow you to legally purchase songs for a minor charge (generally a song for a buck or less). They will only grow over the next year, making this argument even more usless. "Argument 4 - They are not losing anything if they don't release it" This is true, but only to an extent. I certainly agree that what hasn't been released, such as concert boots, is open to be downloaded, but your example of Japanese releases is off. Since it is usually cheaper to import CDs rather than buy domestic releases in Japan, record companies have to compete. It would do Toshiba EMI (Queen's Japanese record company) little good to release the exact same disc for more money if a Japanese consumer just imports the Hollywood records version for less. Extra tracks are used as a means to entice Japanese customers to buy Japanese products. To answer the question in a short phrase: Downloading music because you cannot be arsed to go to the store and buy it is lazy and nothing short of stealing. You all assume that musicians are rich and can easily absorb the loss of income; you are wrong. |
| Penis - Vagina 29.12.2003 18:02 |
"Argument 1 - I pay for internet service" >This makes no sense at all. Actually it does. I'm implying the obvious.. consumers are being ripped off by the entertainment industry as a whole. I'm suggesting that cable providers chip in to help these poor, unfortunate record companies and musicians pay their bills. Cable TV and satellite services are ridiculously overpriced for one thing. I pay $55 a month for 150 satellite channels myself. 99% of which are paid for by commercials.. 15 minutes of every hour on average. Then Dish Network turns around and sells their own advertising and promotes their own PPV services on those channels as well. Same with cable. While it's true that nobody is forcing me to buy their service, I'm merely stating that things are too expensive for what you get. I've strayed a bit from the topic of music.. but think about who owns the record companies.. the same people (like Warner, Sony, Disney.. whoever owns them all now.. I think there's like 3 big companies left). They charge too much to cable and satellite providers, who in turn sell additional advertising AND charge consumers too much. "Argument 2 - It's my property" >True, the physical CD is, but not the intellectual property. Until you have created something on your own, then had it stolen without any due compensation, you >won't know how much that hurts. I assume that all intellectual property, whether computer software, sheet music, or textbooks are up for grabs with you? This issue is endlessly debatable. I think artists have to accept the fact that once they've sold something, it belongs to the buyer. Not to profit from mind you.. that is clearly a violation of rights. Let's say I want to make 1000 cheeseburgers and give them away free. Am I ripping off McDonald's by doing so? If I make an exact copy of a McDonald's cheeseburger and give it away free, that's my right. I don't care how much the formulation is the intellectual property of McDonald's. As long as I don't call it a Big Mac and charge for it, they have no claim. Same with music. If I buy the damn CD and want to give copies to people free, I have every right to and I'd go to court on that! "Argument 3 - CDs are expensive" >The glory about music is that while it is sure neat to have, it is not necessary for survival. If you were Jean Valjean and needed some bread, then perhaps stealing it >would be justified. But stealing music, certainly an extravangace to begin with, is just lazy. Great. Maybe if the industry continues as they are, eventually NOBODY will make that choice to buy. That's what I meant by a balance to keep everyone happy. And you can't steal something that's already been paid for. >Second, there are new download services that allow you to legally purchase songs for a minor charge (generally a song for a buck or less). They will only grow over >the next year, making this argument even more usless. There's nothing wrong with paying for a particular download as far as I'm concerned. The quality of such files is not that of an original CD, so I still think people would go out and physically buy a disc were it to be more reasonably priced. As for the cost of the disc, case and artwork.. mere pennies. I love original CDs myself. I've bought thousands of them! And I own them :) "Argument 4 - They are not losing anything if they don't release it" >This is true, but only to an extent. I certainly agree that what hasn't been released, such as concert boots, is open to be downloaded, but your example of Japanese >releases is off. >Since it is usually cheaper to import CDs rather than buy domestic releases in Japan, record companies have to compete. It would do Toshiba EMI (Queen's >Japanese record company) little good to release the exact same disc for more money if a Japanese consumer just imports the Hollywood records version for less. >Extra tracks are used as a means to entice Japanese customers to buy Japanese products. I have no k |
| Flashman 29.12.2003 18:18 |
Excuse me while I make a mental note concerning all those who admit to breaking the law... *Makes mental note* There. Carry on. Crikey, I've got terrible wind. Must be all that Champagne. *Makes mental note* |
| Penis - Vagina 29.12.2003 18:22 |
And I keep forgetting to mention this, since it was probably the original intention of the post.. As for making your own copies for back-up, or use in multiple places, or to add extra stuff as I do.. by all means, do it to your heart's content. You bought it, do with it what you want so long as you don't sell copies for profit. |
| Penis - Vagina 29.12.2003 18:32 |
Here's a look at the additonal tracks I added to my "The Works" copy: link Tracks 13 thru 17 are my own productions btw. I got rid of that montage at the end of Break Free with some clever editing and a fade, recreated the single mix myself, did an additional shorter single mix, and an edit of Radio Ga Ga just for fun. And the instrumental of Break Free is a little longer than the released version, as I used the full-length intro from the single mix. The karaoke version fades in too fast. |
| Brandon 29.12.2003 22:16 |
"Argument 2 - It's my property" >True, the physical CD is, but not the intellectual property. Until you have created something on your own, then had it stolen without any due compensation, you >won't know how much that hurts. I assume that all intellectual property, whether computer software, sheet music, or textbooks are up for grabs with you? This issue is endlessly debatable. I think artists have to accept the fact that once they've sold something, it belongs to the buyer. Not to profit from mind you.. that is clearly a violation of rights. Let's say I want to make 1000 cheeseburgers and give them away free. Am I ripping off McDonald's by doing so? If I make an exact copy of a McDonald's cheeseburger and give it away free, that's my right. I don't care how much the formulation is the intellectual property of McDonald's. As long as I don't call it a Big Mac and charge for it, they have no claim. Same with music. If I buy the damn CD and want to give copies to people free, I have every right to and I'd go to court on that! --Pathetic. Not even close to being debatable. The rules are right there in the book that accompanies the CD. I would LOVE to see you try that argument in court. You'd be laughed right into cell block D. The intellectual property on the CD belongs to the artist plain and simple. By the way, Zeni's argument totally devistated your puny attempt to justify illegal and potentially unethical behaviour. "i don't give a fuck about it. i download things for free. and as for sheet music, if it's normal sized on the page, i print it out. big whoop! who cares? i hate celebrities who are in the business just for the money and not because they love doing what they do for a living. then they complain when they can only afford a $3,000,000,000 house instead of a $4,000,000,000 house! BOO FUCKING HOO PEOPLE!!! EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO OR WATCH WHAT THEY WANT TO FOR FREE!!! Even if there wasn't a such thing as Kazaa or other downloading programs, people would still find a way to get music for free! cd burner.... they could borrow their friend's cd and copy it onto their computer... see, free? cept it's uploading... anyway, you get the point..." --Again, pathetic. It's all fine and dandy until someone steals from you. Transcribing sheet music is obviously very difficult and people won't do it if they cannot profit from it - bottom line. And there is a huge difference in sharing a CD with a couple of friends around the block and potential millions around the world. Oh, and as for selling used CDs and free downloads, that's really just grasping for straws, isn't it? |
| Penis - Vagina 29.12.2003 22:41 |
Meanwhile, Best Buy had a copy of "Preordained" right there in the bin with my $17 Hot Space disc. That's the kind of shit these laws were designed to stop.. not to keep people who love music and who do support artists from sharing. I stand by everything I've said and that's the end of the discussion for me. :) |
| Brandon 29.12.2003 22:54 |
Actually, I think Zeni effectviely ended the discussion for you. *LOL* |
| Mr.Jingles 29.12.2003 22:54 |
I like to buy CDs as long as the album is worth buying, and not just 2 or 3 good songs, and the rest are crap. Sometimes I also buy songs from Itunes, or (the new) Napster. I have to admit that I download songs from Kazaa by artists that I find quite annoying, and who already have way too much money. For instance I think that Madonna, Sting, & Prince are a bunch of arrogant pricks who are full of themselves. I have to admit I enjoy some of their songs, but I really don't feel like making them richer than they are already. God bless Kazaa! P.S. Did anyone watch that South Park episode about downloading mp3s, where Lars Ulrich was crying because he couldn't afford a new pool in his mansion, and Britney couldn't afford a new private jet. |
| deleted user 29.12.2003 23:16 |
i saw that episode! :-D love it! |
| Plengel 30.12.2003 07:33 |
I have totally no problem with downloading or copying CD's. I buy CD's in stores also, 1 or maybe 2 per month. The fact is I am, like Freddie used to say, a "musical prostitute". I like very different styles of music, so if I had to buy all the music I like, I'd be a very poor man. Of course all the Queen Albums I have original. So I don't see any problem with me downloading and copying CD's |
| Daburcor? 30.12.2003 08:36 |
"Did anyone watch that South Park episode about downloading mp3s, where Lars Ulrich was crying because he couldn't afford a new pool in his mansion, and Britney couldn't afford a new private jet." That was a great episode... |
| deleted user 30.12.2003 11:16 |
i'm like Plengel I buy cds in stores too! i have never downloaded a Queen song. EVER! i just go to flea markets and try to find them on records or cds. |
| Pim Derks 30.12.2003 12:51 |
I don't mind downloading, I download tons of stuff too. But I do hate it when people listen to that music every day and say they love it. If you really enjoy the music, you should buy it IMO. You're not going to steal a car when you can't afford one either, right? Most of the time I download a lot of albums from an artist, and when I like some of the stuff I'll buy the originals. In the last year I've discovered Valensia, Beatles, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush etc etc through downloading. Of all of them I've bought at least 5 cd's in the last 6 months. And don't say "I don't have the money", most of my cd's are 10 euros each at max - buying cd's online @ play.com or other sites is a lot cheaper then buying them in the stores! |
| deleted user 30.12.2003 14:11 |
"But I do hate it when people listen to that music every day and say they love it." some people (like me) don't have the money to go out and buy cds especially when there's only one song on there you want. and some people can't get a job!! so they need some way to get music! especially if music is their life!!*points to herself* |
| Fenderek 30.12.2003 14:39 |
*I don't have money* ...so I steal, right? F**k it Those who buy illegal stuff (or download it) aren't true music fans; it's just f**ckin theft, that's what it is... Normal price of CD in HMV is let's say 16.99? But wait till bloody sale and you'll buy "hot Space" for example for £5. It's not much, is it?! Go to second hand shop, and with a bit of luck you'll pay even less!!! That's a pretty lame excuse IMO... About "I downloaded so I already paid" comment- That's even lamer... And one more thing... When ppl don't buy official stuff and download it instead, than sells aren't very good... Let's say Bri and Roger are thinking about releasing some stuff from 70ties, some live album... Well- what for? It's not gonna sell- they think- ppl will download it from internet anyway... We won't earn on it so...Won't bother... Think about it... |
| Fenderek 30.12.2003 14:42 |
< Now this is just plainly stupid... When you buy a car, I'll feel free to use it for free and whenever I want... Just because I'll want... |
| eggy 30.12.2003 14:56 |
"Those who buy illegal stuff (or download it) aren't true music fans" LOL, so I guess you've never downloaded one single track. Or listened to any of the Queen demo's, etc. I'll sit in the corner with the the non-real music fans because I download non-available bootlegs. Fuck me. |
| Fenderek 30.12.2003 15:11 |
eggy>> I wasn't talking about bootlegs, about stuff you can't buy in the shops!!! I was talking ONLY about copies (mp3 or illegal, cheap CD- whatever) of OFFICIALLY RELEASED MATERIAL And I won't fuck you- you're not my type... |
| YourValentine 30.12.2003 15:31 |
People download music because it's easy to download. When you download music to your own computer in your own home you just don't feel like stealing, do you? But mp3s never replace the real CD. When I first had Audiogalaxy I downloaded endless amounts of music which I never really listened to and so I gave it up. But I still buy CDs (and music DVDs) on a regular basis. What I don't buy are copy controlled CDs because I don't want to be an honest customer being treated like a potential criminal. |
| Virtuoso 30.12.2003 16:00 |
The world is fucked!There's some people out there making a living by doing something more stressful and important than entertaining(music is my life,but come on).Everything is reversed,I know it's not easy becoming a rock star(well lately i don't know,listen to the new 'genre' of rock and you'll notice it),but hey,do there job compare's itself with,for instance,accouting?!Society would rather spend millions buying cd's than helping their fellow man. Face facts that's how the world is today. Sad I know but that's the way it is.Well,it would be selfish for people who make this kind of money not to give to charity, but they do... Some don't, but most do Alot of them do it becasue of their public image.But then again there are alot of them that do it out of the goodness of their "mind".... (The heart has nothing to do with sympathy.) I probably don't agree with how today's system works,but hey it's not unfair,that's the way it works,right! |
| eggy 30.12.2003 17:13 |
Bootlegs are just as illegal as CD-rs. You are stealing off the artist no matter whether its officially released or not. You're black and white picture just don't work. |
| Virtuoso 30.12.2003 17:47 |
You're right |
| deleted user 30.12.2003 17:59 |
"I agree,these artists and movie makers are all supposed to do this all for free?" if they actually love doing it then they could. if they're in it just for the money then what's the point? "*I don't have money* ...so I steal, right? F**k it Those who buy illegal stuff (or download it) aren't true music fans; it's just f**ckin theft, that's what it is... Normal price of CD in HMV is let's say 16.99? But wait till bloody sale and you'll buy "hot Space" for example for £5. It's not much, is it?! Go to second hand shop, and with a bit of luck you'll pay even less!!! That's a pretty lame excuse IMO..." what if you don't even have that much...? |
| Maz 30.12.2003 18:08 |
"what if you don't even have that much...?" Ah, delayed gratification, or is entitlement inherent in this next generation? |
| Saint Jiub 30.12.2003 23:27 |
I guess that because my car was unjustly and severly damaged by a runaway spare tire, I am entitled to steal a new car of my choosing because I do not want to have to pay a second car payment. :) That being said ... Bullwinkle's situational morality for the entertainment industry (ratings from 1 - guilt-free, to 5 - five finger discount, and beyond ...): 1 - Downloading / trading of unreleased music (see my sig) 2 - Downloading / trading of out of print songs / albums (musical industry could easily sell these item to reduce downloading but is too lazy) 3 - Downloading / trading of bonus tracks. I rarely do this, but my situational ethics says that the music industry re-selling an album again for a few bonus songs borders on thievery as well (I have so far resisted buying or downloading the new Wembley CD with 4 bonus tracks). 3 - bootlegging for profit. Musicians could stop this by releasing the music (like Pearl Jam). Personally, I love bootleg CD's as I have greatly enriched my Queen collection this way. I have no problem with purchasing bootlegs and I have no problems with music bootleggers (who only supply what the record industry is too lazy to provide). 4 - Downloading / trading of overpriced imports. I rarely do this (Queen Rocks video), but when the price is double that of a domestic release I do not feel I am getting value when I purchase an import. 4 - downloading a song because the rest of the album or the song itself is crap. I did download the Robbie William's version of We Are The Champions, but I deleted it the same day I downloaded it. 5 - occasional downloading (or copying from a friend) of whole albums that are domestically available. I have never downloaded whole albums, but I have taped albums from friends (does doing this over 15 years ago in my youth make it OK??? LOL). Oops, I did trade for a VHS copy of the Made in Heaven videos a few years ago after I had bought (and returned) a defective video at Tower Records. Shame on me. 666 - Downloading commercially available stuff more often than buying. |
| Saint Jiub 30.12.2003 23:34 |
"Ah, delayed gratification, or is entitlement inherent in this next generation?" Eh?? Zeni?? - You sound sooo old ... LOL My mom just got a birthday card yesterday for her 65th birthday (from her younger cousin). It stated: On your 65th birthday you are now entitled to say: "In my day ..." |
| Mr.Jingles 30.12.2003 23:35 |
Back in the 70s and 80s record companies executives thought that because a lot of people recorded songs from the radio or made copies from a friend's vinyl or casette, a huge crisis was going to come upon the record industry. So they've been pretty much whining since then. I agree in a lot of terms that downloading is wrong. But so is charging 16 dollars for a CD that costs less than a dollar to make. |
| Somebody to loveeeee 31.12.2003 07:48 |
"what if you don't even have that much...?" Then you should be working now, instead of posting useless messages on a notice board! Get yourself a job! Btw, I only buy Queenrelated stuff. I download everything else. I plea (sp?) guilty. I do have principles, but I hardly ever use them, unless I can benefit from it. |
| -fatty- 2850 31.12.2003 08:15 |
I make a point of only downloading songs that have been released in aid of a charity. Band Aid, Children in Need, Bo Rhap 1991 etc. That way I can be assured that the artist in question is not missing out on his/her paycheck. fatty. |
| Guy 31.12.2003 08:23 |
"I agree in a lot of terms that downloading is wrong. But so is charging 16 dollars for a CD that costs less than a dollar to make." You don't pay for the CD, you pay for the music. You can argue the same about books, it doesn't cost $20 to print a book, but you don't buy a book for the pages, do you? |
| Mr.Jingles 31.12.2003 09:00 |
<< You don't pay for the CD, you pay for the music. You can argue the same about books, it doesn't cost $20 to print a book, but you don't buy a book for the pages, do you? >> I'm talking about every single aspect involved in the production of the CD. Obviously that includes music too. |
| NoOneButYou1975 31.12.2003 10:01 |
Then you should be working now, instead of posting useless messages on a notice board! Get yourself a job! there are a few people on this board that are not of legal age to work so take in consideration.. |
| Guy 31.12.2003 10:40 |
"I'm talking about every single aspect involved in the production of the CD. Obviously that includes music too." Aha... Well, do you really think artists would continue to make music if they just covered costs and didn't gain anything\gain very little? |
| Mr.Jingles 31.12.2003 14:25 |
<< Well, do you really think artists would continue to make music if they just covered costs and didn't gain anything\gain very little? >> If CD prices went down (which in fact some record companies and stores are already doing), people would be buying more music. It's the fair thing to pay for the music you're listening to, but with high prices who wants to buy music when you can download it instead. To me record companies shouldn't charge more than 10 dollars for one single CD. |
| Guy 31.12.2003 14:27 |
"It's the fair thing to pay for the music you're listening to, but with high prices who wants to buy music when you can download it instead. To me record companies shouldn't charge more than 10 dollars for one single CD." Come on, even if each CD would cost $3 some people would still download - "why pay when you can get it for free?". |
| Queenleaf 31.12.2003 14:38 |
I knew I shouldn't have initiated this topic >sigh< I agree that new cds are WAY overpriced. But I have to say here that I charge $100 to do a wedding. Some people might think that is a lot but when you consider the hours of practicing I have spent to get good enough to play at a wedding, not so bad. ON the other hand, I usually don't buy new cds as I said earlier. Hey I'm a starving musician! Plus I'm underage and not allowed to have a non musical job because my dad says it will take away from my ppractice time. |
| deleted user 31.12.2003 14:47 |
<<"what if you don't even have that much...?" Then you should be working now, instead of posting useless messages on a notice board! Get yourself a job!>> I'M ONLY 13!!!!!! I'VE ALREADY SAID THAT!!!!!!! |
| Mr.Jingles 31.12.2003 16:14 |
<< Come on, even if each CD would cost $3 some people would still download - "why pay when you can get it for free?". >> My point is that neither people who constantly download songs, nor the record industry are being fair. |
| NoOneButYou1975 31.12.2003 16:16 |
<<"what if you don't even have that much...?" Then you should be working now, instead of posting useless messages on a notice board! Get yourself a job!>> I'M ONLY 13!!!!!! I'VE ALREADY SAID THAT!!!!!!! i knew that Fallen the one who said "Then you should be working now, instead of posting useless messages on a notice board! Get yourself a job!>>" obviously didnt read all the facts... |
| Saint Jiub 31.12.2003 22:51 |
How is it that an audio cassette costs about the same to make as a CD, but CD's cost 70% more? Music industry collusion (price fixing). The Music industry has already lost a class action lawsuit in the USA ... |
| Penis - Vagina 01.01.2004 06:55 |
I was bored so I read some more of this. I just want to say that I pretty much agree with everything Bullwinkle has said. I have stated some very strong opinions, but just to make one thing clear: I do think that if you like something you hear and it's available for purchase, you should pay for it if you can. I think there are fundamental flaws in the laws regarding this stuff in terms of royalties and who owns stuff. Like it or not, there are strong arguments either way, it's not cut and dry.. such as my argument about used CDs ;) I also wanted to point out that I was referring to Bullwinkle's signature, not Stone Cold Crazy.. I made a mistake. |
| Lisser 01.01.2004 12:05 |
I see both sides and agree with points on both sides. I usually download a couple songs that haven't been radio played yet, from a new album to see if I will like it, then I purchase the album if I deem it is worth buying. I am guilty I guess but my purpose in downloading is not to get out of paying for something, if that makes me any better of a person ;). I will also download an old song or two if I am unable to find it in the store. New here btw. Hi to everyone. |
| Fenderek 01.01.2004 14:22 |
< eggy- that's bollocks I'm not stealing anything from artist nor I'm doig it from the industry... If record comapanies release the albums (gigs, BBC sessions, whatever...)- I'LL BUY THEM!!! If it's not in the shop, how can I steal sth that doesn't even exist!!!!!! It's not black and white picture of mine >> that's logic... I'm not against bootlegs or bootlegers- I'm really jealous about Pearl Jam fans... I wish Queen did the same... They don't. By not releasing the material, they're not going to earn on it... By buying the bootleg I'm not taking ANY MONEY from them... Anyway, even Brian is pro bootlegs... |
| Fenderek 01.01.2004 14:24 |
< May sound crueal, but... wait than... |
| Fenderek 01.01.2004 14:25 |
< That's actually a point I have to agree with... suprise, suprise...:) |
| deleted user 01.01.2004 14:42 |
"May sound crueal, but... wait than..." ha! you don't know me very well... i can't wait even 1 minutes for anything! let alone 2 years so i can get a job! and i hardly ever get money any other time, and if i do, it's barely half of what i need to get a cd. and i can't even find most of the music that i want to buy, so downloading is my only other choice. you don't go to a lot of stores that have a HIM cd or a Dimmu Borgir cd or a Lillix cd or a Bowling For Soup cd. |
| NoOneButYou1975 01.01.2004 14:57 |
hey Fallen Bowling for Soup is a local band...:) meaning they live around Dallas ...Denton to be exact :) |
| Guy 01.01.2004 15:25 |
Fenderek, maybe you would buy those gigs if they were officially released, but not everyone. Why would someone who has a certain gig in excellent quality want to buy it? By releasing bootlegs, the bootleg labels actually "keep" QP from releasing those shows... True, QP will never release all these shows, but the fact remains that once some of the backcatalogue is already available there's no need to release it. Agreed? |
| Guy 01.01.2004 15:27 |
Hmm, the order of the posts is manipulated O.o |
| The Real Wizard 01.01.2004 16:26 |
Do you get an allowance? Do your parents ever buy things for you? How about Christmas money? I'm 21 and I still get money from some relatives for Christmas, and my birthday too. I remember at age 13 having some source of income back then. Damn, now I feel old. |
| deleted user 01.01.2004 17:44 |
i get $50 spending money every month from my bank account but i usually have to spend it on clothes or something. and no i don't get an allowance. |
