|I sent an e-mail about marriage equality to everybody on my fwd list, and this is the reaction i got from my cousin.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
2 Timothy 3:1-5
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
and this is my reaction.
PEOPLE ARE SO FREAKING CLOSED-MINDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THE CHANCE TO MARRY THE ONE THAT THEY LOVE!!!!!!!! PEOPLE DON'T TAKE TIME TO THINK THAT THROUGH!!!!!!!!
"oh I'll just listen to what the bible tells me because I can't think for myself"
THIS IS WHY I HATE PEOPLE!!!!!! THEY'RE SO STUPID!!!!!!! THEY DON'T THINK ABOUT THINGS!!!!!!!!
|my cousin's gonna be pissed :-D|
|Yep. I bookmarked these pages in the Bible which school gave me, as I though it could become useful. I had heard before that the Bible says homosexuality is not natural, but I believe more in what I see with my own eyes than what I hear.
Surely, not all Christians are homophobes, and the Bible says against itself on most things. I'm speaking generally when I say that I can't stand people that closed-minded.
|AHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DAMN MSN 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT SENT THAT REPLY TO EVERYBODY ON MY LIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok my uncle's gonna read it and then he's gonna be pissed and then my whole family's gonna be pissed and im gonna live in hate.
(my uncle's a preacher in illinois)
....can somebody move in with me and help me keep people away from me? :-P
|Go you, you've done it now so u might as well carry it through and make a stand:o)|
|it'd be kinda funny if my uncle read that to his church. lmao
"this is what my 13 year old niece wrote....." then all of the people just sitting there wide eyed, jaw dropped.
|good luck and if u need a place to stay...|
|I can't believe that someone actually had the tactlessness to do that, Nina.|
|NOW MY MOM'S TRYING TO MAKE ME SEND A FUCKING APOLOGY E-MAIL FOR SENDING THAT E-MAIL!!!! THERE'S NO WAY IM GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR SOMETHING I BELIEVE IN!!!!
AND THEY SHOULD KNOW BY NOW THAT IF SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T LIKE THAT I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING BACK!!!! THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO REPLY TO THE FIRST THING!!!! JUST IGNORE IT!!!! BUT THEY HAAAAAAAAAAAD TO WRITE BACK AND MAKE ME SAY SOMETHING AND THEN CALL MY GRANDMA AND TELLING HER THAT I'M "GOING AGAINST THE BIBLE" OR SOMETHING!!!!
IT'S JUST NOT FUCKING RIGHT!!!!!!!!
|Dances With Freddie
|always be yourself! :)|
|Don't apologize. ;)|
|*agrees with Marit and Dan*|
|Dances With Freddie
|I don't understand why the Bible is against homosexuality. It's love and all loving is a good thing.
men hating men or people hating at all, that's the real sin!
homosexuality is love!
the world needs love!
gimme some loving!
|Just break this uncles legs. If that fails, take his finger nails off. Violence, if the bible has taught us anything; which it hasn't, is that leg breaking and finger nail tearing solves everything....except for most things.|
|i'm against the bible|
|Here we go again... I am not against the bible, I am just against the way some people interpret it and try to push people to interpret it in that same way. I am not religious nor spiritual, I do know the bible and I am sure that if there is a God this is not what he ment. If there is a God and this IS his point of view then I will refuse to respect him. Then he will not be nor ever become 'my' God. I will never follow a God or a representative of his that is about non-equality. I will never believe in a God that is about non-equality. And then something else: NOBODY choses to be gay. I did not chose to fall in love with another guy, neither does any gay person. If there is a God in the sence of what most religious people believe the bible describes, that would mean it is also God's will for somebody to be gay. In other words: if that were true God creates sinners himself. Now why would a God give birth to a son which he wants to grow up a sinner and knows he will be a sinner and at day of judgement punish him. Or does father just have tests for his sons, just make them a sinner and see if he can cure them again. I'm sorry, but it just does not make any sense. *sigh* we are talking religion again... That can't realy be done properly through a noticeboard. Too many ins, outs, buts, ifs etc. Anyway, I felt like I had to contribute at least the words above. The bible-based gay-discussion is one of the most revolting themes there is. I'm getting sick and tired with all the bullshit...
If I need to burn in hell because I had sex with other men, then may lightning strike me.
Fallen Angel, I respect you because you represent your own opinion even in an envirement (so I recon from your words) in which that opinion is dangerous. Good luck to you and if you need a place to stay... ;-)
|Dances With Freddie
|i'm not against the bible, i don't know what to think anymore|
**love that sayin**
Memba this one true fact. . .
bible was made not by god but by a man,
maybe the upmost humblest messenjah of God, (Paul Burrel lol)
But a man have his own views, and never judge a religion by its ruling from the BioliclyKoranical way of the poor sad sod that really wanna express his greatest achievement of being a number 1 author.
I think religion is freedom, there is alot of human things in bibles that makes me laugh, (human as in orders) that is so human, cos it is human written by our own being.
Neva get a against a faith through a freakin bible, is like getting against Mich.Jax thru the Newspapers, you are all missing the truth the reality is greater than the scandal, why put it down its a cheapshot.
**and da gobbydeegoop continues**
|Dances With Freddie
|I don't know what to think either... I believe in God, but I also believe in homosexuality. what to choose? hmmm.|
|well, if gays are born, then how come there are still gays? shouldn't they not be here because they can't have babies?
but i will always believe in God and will not be against gays :)
|People put it this way, our HomoMercury is chillin out with the gods! we gave him our most humble send off and what is more to say?? he did good he did bad its human, he was gay and wasnt straight. . . no shame at all,
God must agree with this cos out of all the wise human of the universe he is the opened to all things, and I dont think he would have any grudge against a little thing like this
its just a human mystery but am just tellin you the natural fact.
Big up Mercury!
|last night i had a dream about my grandma's on xmas eve and we were just resting (and some eating the rest of the food :-P) and my uncle didn't know that i was in the kitchen and he thought i was downstairs, and then i heard him say, "i knew she'd turn out wrong the minute you put her in public school mary jane! and now she's trying to spread it to everybody else!" so i ran to the bedroom, got my coat on, ran out into the living room, looked at my uncle and told him i hated him and i said, "im gonna go to a friend's house where i'm actually appreciated for who i am and what i believe in, gute nacht, and fickin du" (or however you say fuck you in german) and slammed the door and walked about 3 miles to my friend's house and my mom didn't come get me till the next day.
reminder, this was just a dream.
|Dances With Freddie
|you had a dream about it?
sad... looks like this is causing you lots of worries.
keep your opinions, no-one should tell you what to think and your family ought to support you! people have different opinions, if they can't deal with that they still shouldn't make you feel bad.
Be yourself! :)
|Having met your mom, Nina, I'm rather surprised by that.|
|It might be possible to apologize WITHOUT apologizing for the content of the outburst.
Apologize for sending the e-mail (I presume that you wish you only sent the e-mail to your cousin and no one else)
Apologize for upsetting the whole family (you probably did not want to stir up this hornet's nest)
Perhaps apologize for embarrassing your mother and immediate family.
and add any other apology that does not compromise your principles ...
Hopefully the crisis will blow over soon.
By the way, My folks and my wife still love me even though I do not believe in god (although they pity me and worry for my "soul").
Hopefully your family will get over the outburst and love you for who you are.
I meant to reply last night but Queenzone "froze?" at about 10:45 last night so I had to sign off.
|i'm not gonna do it.
im gonna try to aviod sitting next to uncle larry on xmas eve too. i don't mind sitting next to aunt betty because i haven't heard her opinion.
and nobody tell me that i'm taking this too far! i don't care! it's just not right!
|Oh well, thought I might help.
I probably wouldn't apologize either. Who wants to apologize when an apology is demanded? ... and apologies are rarely sincere when forced by demands, so why would anyone demand an apology? Demanding an apology is a no win situation for anyone.
|People take the bible so literally.
Is it likely that so many people would have implicit faith in Christ, a figure representing UNCONDITIONAL love and forgiveness, if they thought he would condemn someone to eternal damnation if they were gay?
Once again, Christ represents unconditional love, which means that a person will be accepted and loved by Jesus despite their sins. Couple that with the fact that nowhere does it actually state, as fact, in the bible that homosexuality is a sin (although some parts of the Bible may be interperated as suggesting this, but then the Bible can be seen to suggest anything if you want it to) and the thought that a person is automatically sinful and damned seems ludicrous.
In my opinion, as long as you do not harm your fellow beings (physically, mentally or whatever) and you do not detract from the greater good of the world, then you are not sinning.
In the Bible it seems that sins are classified as things that you DO (actions) rather than someothing you ARE (your state). It says in the Bible that God, although he created the world and humans, gave the humans free will (although this could be seen as an excuse for the question 'if God is so powerful, how come bad things happen?'), and so relinquished control of a person's state of mind and heart. Being gay does not harm anyone, so it is hardle a big sin. Would it not be a bigger sin for a person to waste their life in unhappiness becasue they tried to conform to a 'rule' which they incorrectly thorught was an order from God?
By relinquishing control, God gave humans the right to choose what to do with their lives. People have the right to exercise their freedom (within reason and without harming others, because that would be an infringement on THEIR freedom).
If there is a God, I doubt he/she feels genuinly insulted that there are gay people walking around on earth.
It is clearly NOT Christian, however, to insult your fellow beings by telling them they are 'unnatural'.
Slighly off the topic, I once asked a Deacon (the king who workd in a church) if she thought anyone deserved to go to hell, and she said if God sent people to hell, than she didn't want to be christian.
Thats a pretty big risk, isn't it?
Sorry for crazy mixed up post.
|i was thinking about it last night, and wouldn't gay marriages go under the freedom of religion category? this country supposedly has freedom of religion, press, and speech, yet there are still the ten commandments posted everywhere like in courthouses and other public places and gay marriages still have to be fought for!
does anybody else think that's just so wrong too?