QueenZone discussion #297328
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| joep the rocker 09.12.2003 22:00 |
'They are jeopardising the future 46664 DVD, sucking the blood not from us, but from Nelson Mandela, from the Foundation, and from the dying children we are all trying to save' The more i read this the more upset i get about this statement. Brian doesnt have the right to point his finger like that and keep me responsible for dying children. He doesnt know me and the fact that i downloaded some songs doesnt make me 'suck the blood from dying children'. I have supported this 46664 gig by calling, entering in discussions and by promoting it to people around me. Apperently thats not good enough. I have supported queen for many years now, but now i guess its time for me to move on. I feel kinda allienated from the band right now. Maybe i'll be back some other time. (leaves with a dramatical gesture!) |
| D.Blythe 10.12.2003 01:18 |
Will you be buying the 46664 dvd? If not, then you may be proving Brian's point. By downloading the songs simply because they are new recordings by Brian and Roger, you are bypassing the royalty structure set up to channel funds to the AIDS charities who would profit from the show. Also, if you do not buy the dvd because you are momentarily(?) peeved with Brian's view of people who download music, the children who are in need of the medicine and research that the profits would provide would be the real victims. I do not download music. I agree with what Mike Mills of REM said,"I don't see any difference between downloading songs from the internet and going into Tower records, putting the cd in your pocket and walking out without paying for it." Whomever provided the songs from the 46664 concert for download is obviously not concerned with the larger message that was intended to with the songs. |
| Saint Jiub 10.12.2003 01:35 |
true - except that the item is not available at Tower Records, and that the item was broadcast widely on television. Brians comments are a self fulfilling prophesy. Brian has only succeeded in aggravating some "true" fans into considering not buying it. Despite Brian's rant, I will still buy the DVD, despite my downloading of the concert songs, but I might question my sanity. |
| Mr. Scully 10.12.2003 02:48 |
Such gestures are senseless. Stopping supporting the band just because Brian talks bullshit in the soapbox? He knows (or will know) he made a big mistake because I have never seen such a criticism aimed at him before, now virtually 99% of fans are against him for what he said, just read the posts in forums or on QMS. Anyway, if you (or me or anybody else) stop supporting Queen, it should be because of the music, not because of some article. |
| Baby_B 10.12.2003 03:14 |
Mr Scully, what is "QMS"? (Please forgive my ignorance!...) |
| YourValentine 10.12.2003 03:53 |
QMS is probably the biggest Queen mailing list. To be a part of it you must subscribe on the QMS website: link For more information about QMS look here link |
| Mr. Scully 10.12.2003 05:09 |
It's probably the oldest Queen mailing list but it has only a couple of hundreds of members and only 20-30 of them post. So it's not a valuable resource of information at all these days. |
| proton 10.12.2003 07:25 |
700 members is more than a couple of hundred :-) And if the right subject comes along, enough people post. Concerning Brian's comments: they were aimed at those people downloading WITHOUT paying/donating anything. If you called 46664 or downloaded the songs at 46664.com for 0.99 eurocent each, then you should NOT take this comment personally, it is not aimed at you! And those who downloaded without paying/donating, with plans to buy the CD/DVD : sjees... is a bloody 80cts for a call or 0.99 cents for a download too much for you?!? But you DO buy CD's/DVD's like Wembley or GVH2 for 20/25 euro's.... You feel offended??? Get real mr. and mrs. Dagobert Ducks! Maybe you should be less selfish and more generous towards charities... you CAN donate even without getting something back... |
| proton 10.12.2003 07:30 |
Just to let you know: I normally PAID for my songs on 46664.com , I also called (0900-4666400 in the Netherlands). So I feel NOT offended by Brian, though his comments could have been more tactfull, but I think he wrote it in hte spur of the moment, being angry, without thinking further of the consequences of his posting. |
| S@turn 10.12.2003 07:39 |
I do not think that there is reason to feel offended for us all, I find that Brians reaction is overdone, he should have thought before writing it I can imagine that fans are hurted by his words, but I consider myself still as a queen fan It is sad when people decide to give up their queen support because of this, I think that Queen is not the same as what Brian and Roger are doing now I think that Queen is over, but I still love to follow the things that brian and roger are doing, tho I am not always agreeing with them! The reactions of Brian are making me sad, yes, if he wants everyone to do just legal activities, then he is not realistic, I think, right Freddie/Proton? I am sure that one day I will find the concert in YOUR market stall, or under the table perhaps I am not offending you or saying that you should not, I am only mentioning it because you are of course not the only one, and I think that Brian in so far is right indeed Let us enjoy and love the things that we can get for free, and at the time that we can buy things, let us then consider if it is worth it By the way... It is good possible to support the aids foundations without buying a dvd.. and since the dvd is not there yet.. shall we wait with supporting til then? I guess not *off to read the QMS |
| proton 10.12.2003 07:51 |
since this is a concert aimed at raising money for aids charity, you'll not find it on or under my table :-) it would mean less dvd's sold, thus less money for the charity. I'm not thát heartless ;-) About reality, indeed you are correct. Brian has bootlegs himself, so he knows what's going on in the recordmarket. But this seems to have hurt him a lot, since a charity foundation here suffers under the bootlegging/downloading. So his reaction is explainable, though written too quickly. |
| deleted user 10.12.2003 08:45 |
I haven't called, donated, or anything with this 'great' project. Personally, I think it's stupid. And the comment made by Brian is nothing but whining on his part. Oops....did I just take the life of some one because I didn't pay for a crap song? I've never even heard the song. And I don't want to. The things 'Queen' are doing now offend me. Will one of those guys pay me something? Nope. |
| Mr. Scully 10.12.2003 08:45 |
"And those who downloaded without paying/donating, with plans to buy the CD/DVD : sjees... is a bloody 80cts for a call or 0.99 cents for a download too much for you?!?" There's no phone number available for my country and when I tried to donate with my credit card, I ended on a page-not-found site. I wanted to give it one more try a couple days ago (to download Invincible Hope) but when it told me what software I have to upgrade to be able to download/listen to the song, I gave up. I'll rather buy both the DVD and CD. The price for the song is silly, I agree, I would donate $5-$10 without hesitation but I'm not going to spend half a day trying to find out HOW to do it on the 46664.com site. As for QMS, 700 members is a nice number but for example my Czech-only Queen list has 200 members so it's strange that such a well known worldwide list like QMS has only three times more members. |
| proton 10.12.2003 08:59 |
QMS: maybe they should promote more? donations: you're excused ;-) you're willing to donate but technical are not able too. Seems a good reason to me to wait then for the CD/DVD. :-) |
| proton 10.12.2003 09:01 |
"Lucy was high, and so was I" , you are EXACTLY the parasite Brian was talking about! And you can also pay that 0.99 cents and donate to Aids charity without listening to that song. If you think it's crap, then just delete it. At least you'll have done something good for another human being then.... |
| ogre t raylot 10.12.2003 09:06 |
Do you like the taste of winalot, proton? you seem to enjoy being BHM's lapdog. |
| proton 10.12.2003 09:23 |
maybe you can explain to a dutch fan who doesn't know a 100.000 words in English what a winalot and lapdog is? Reading your previous postings on the forum I guess this isn't positive... |
| Adam Baboolal 10.12.2003 09:35 |
I find S@turn's words disturbing. "if he wants everyone to do just legal activities, then he is not realistic" - "and since the dvd is not there yet.. shall we wait with supporting til then? I guess not" Not bothering to wait for a dvd/cd release? Check the website and lap up the freebies then. Or if you want to support the cause, download tracks for a price. Otherwise, stick to what it legitimate. Even the entire concert can be streamed via video or audio for FREE! Lucy was high... - "I haven't called, donated, or anything with this 'great' project. Personally, I think it's stupid." Shame. But you're entitled to your opinion. But don't forget that people may be downloading without bothering to give anything to the charity. It's wrong and cannot be excused. Peace, Adam. |
| ogre t raylot 10.12.2003 09:36 |
try this for a clue. link I would agree with 'Lucy' - If you cared to read his posting properly, you would have noted that he hasn't downloaded or heard anything from 46664 - Not the act of a parasite. I don't need you or Brian May to tell me where to donate my money, tanx. |
| deleted user 10.12.2003 09:43 |
winalot is a very tasty and popular dish amongst the student population here in the U.K :-) |
| deleted user 10.12.2003 09:47 |
Actually winalot is a brand of canned dog food in the U.K ( soz couldn't resist the temptation of my previous post ) , a lapdog is an expression that means someone who uncritically goes along with someone else's idea's / opinions without being able to think for themselves ( which I'm sure your not ) :-) |
| proton 10.12.2003 09:59 |
Adam, you're misunderstanding Saturn, what he means is "shall we wait with donating till the dvd comes out, i guess not" , implying that you can donate now already even when you have to wait for the dvd and donate again by buying that dvd. And if someone says a song is 'crap', then he knows the song and also knows how to find link .... Not donating because you think a song is crap is 1 of the most stupid reasons I've ever heard. Why don't you just say that your a selfish guy who likes to keep every penny for himself heh? And never mind Ogre, from seeing previous postings I'm not doing into a debate with this guy. I'm not calling names, but you can imagine what I think of him :-) |
| proton 10.12.2003 10:01 |
And if Ogre doesn't want anyone to tell him where to donate, then I hope he's not downloading the 46664 songs for free... |
| ogre t raylot 10.12.2003 10:10 |
"And if Ogre doesn't want anyone to tell him where to donate, then I hope he's not downloading the 46664 songs for free... " No he hasn't. |
| Penetration_Guru 10.12.2003 10:18 |
proton, are you no longer welcome at QOL or something? Maybe it's QueenForever shutting down that brings you back here, I don't know. But you continue to talk stepfordian gibberish, half-read people's posts in a manner exactly like Dark, and generally make yourself about as unpopular as possible. Quite an achievement, in the current climate. You seem a bit defensive of QMS. Not sure why, but I found the other posts on the subject to be representative of my own experience. Used to be good but now marginalised by boards like this, and increasingly pointless. Now scuttle off back to your pirated copies, won't you... |
| proton 10.12.2003 10:23 |
I'm entitled to my own opinion so shut the F*** up. |
| Vim Fuego 10.12.2003 10:42 |
I must admit I feel alienated too, not only by the remarks of Brian regarding 46664 downloads, but his whole attitude towards his fans in general. Brian getting in touch with his fans like he does could be nice, though i prefer the rockstar status he had back in the eighties, when you could not email Brian, and he certainly didn't get in touch with us, the fans, which was fine really, the music spoke for itself. Can we imagine how Brian would have reacted if someone would dare to discuss Queen playing Sun City, breaking the boycot of bands not playing there to support the fight against apartheid? If I recall correctly Queen did NOT support an important issue back then, just for the sake of their own bank account (parasites anyone?), how dare they shake hands with Mandela.... As i said I feel alienated too, I AM a Queen fan, but for me it's more and more obvious Queen should have let down the curtain after NOBY....... |
| D.Blythe 10.12.2003 11:02 |
One more thing; it is called Brian's SOAPBOX for a reason. It is his forum to express his opinions, right or wrong. If you log on to his site and read his opinions, you cannot then complain that he is telling you what to do, you just have to make up your own mind. |
| ogre t raylot 10.12.2003 11:12 |
No-one is denying him the right to express opinions - but to call your own fanbase 'parasites' is not very good PR. |
| Adam Baboolal 10.12.2003 12:02 |
It's directed at HIS fans? Are you sure it's not a widespread message to all. But not excluding Queen fans? |
| akan 10.12.2003 12:52 |
i think brian is right because he speaks to all the people who download stuff illegally and generally he speaks to all the 'true' fans who wouldn't download illegally if they support totally the project as 'true' fans.Maybe his reaction was a little premature and some fans can feel 'offended'...but i find that it would be better to shout out the fact soon...;) |
| Penetration_Guru 10.12.2003 13:24 |
If I shut the fuck up, aren't I losing the right to my own opinion? Just a thought. Thanks for your intellectual response though. |
| Future Manager 10.12.2003 14:09 |
I don't really understand how Brian's post is upsetting all you people, you're taking this much too personal. You're like kids who are annoyed because they got caught stealing a cookie or something. What kind of crazy fanbase is this when "virtually 99%" of it gets extremely pissed because of one rant by Brian? Loosen up! |
| inu-liger 10.12.2003 14:15 |
I think it's stupid and wrong to download tracks that are MEANT to be sold for CHARITY if they are not paid for! Why not ask your parents if they can buy you the tracks if you don't have a CC of your own? I would. My dad's pretty nice when it comes to some favours I ask of him. Is it really that hard to let go of a quid/dollar for a song? Why make such a fuss outta this? These are great songs that are being sold for a great charity and a great cause! (Excuse my repetition) |
| deleted user 10.12.2003 15:48 |
'And you can also pay that 0.99 cents and donate to Aids charity without listening to that song. If you think it's crap, then just delete it. At least you'll have done something good for another human being then.... ' I will donate to whatever charity I see fit. And for the information of all, I do donate to several charities. They are here in the US. Where I feel it is needed more so than abroad. And ogre t. thanks for the support. At least I am not the only 'evil' one here :) |
| iron eagle 10.12.2003 16:02 |
i was always amazed at the bands support and wide range of fans lately i am amazed at how ignorant -self serving- and hypocritical some of them are |
| Lester Burnham 10.12.2003 16:33 |
"Why not ask your parents if they can buy you the tracks if you don't have a CC of your own? I would. My dad's pretty nice when it comes to some favours I ask of him." OK, I'll ask your dad if he can buy the tracks for me. |
| NoOneButYou1975 10.12.2003 16:36 |
OK, I'll ask your dad if he can buy the tracks for me. wait dont forget me lol :P |
| inu-liger 10.12.2003 17:30 |
No, dimwit. I meant you ask YOUR parents to buy the tracks for you |
| Pim Derks 10.12.2003 18:23 |
the magic word for today is S A R C A S M |
| Saffron Caribou 10.12.2003 18:28 |
Damn Dark! Your dad seems to be a cool guy! I was almost going to ask you too. Its up to the person if he/she wants to donate some money to the charity or not. It all depends if the person expresses the desire to help a cause, not because there are tracks to download. I think its quite unethical, you know, donate some money and for "free" you will get to download these tracks. However, that's how capitalism works, if you want people to be aware of something and help, you have to give him/her something in return. That isn't donating isn't? Donating to a cause has to come from the individual's concern, not because you will get something in return or some famous person is promoting it (wether its by real personal intentions or good PR). I believe that Brian's comment in the first paragraph was enough to explain his disdain about the illegal downloading of the 46664 tracks. The second paragraph was clearly unwarranted, and still not a good PR move if he wants his fans to donate to the charity. It's quite funny that the video of the concert is available for FREE on the site, and still supposedly is illegal. There are programmes that code mp3's or videos in order not to be save on to your hard drive. Now if only Brian figured that out, we wouldnt be having this discussion. Leaving a Queen message board, or not buying anymore 'Queen' related material because you feel offended by Brian's comments is very pathetic IMO. Brian, Rog, and John will still be earning money if one fan drops the fanbase, and/or decide not to buy anymore 'Queen' material. |
| iron eagle 10.12.2003 19:10 |
good one Pim! |
| Adam Baboolal 10.12.2003 20:26 |
Shoujo - "It's quite funny that the video of the concert is available for FREE on the site, and still supposedly is illegal." No. It's there to be streamed and watched online. It's there for our pleasure. A nice surprise to see. But it is not to be recorded and then passed around for download. That's illegal distribution in the first place! Not to mention bad for the charity. The concert footage shown on UK tv wasn't that great. But when someone puts footage online for others to download, that's breaking laws. And again, wrong. Lucy - "I do donate to several charities. They are here in the US. Where I feel it is needed more so than abroad." Do tell, what are they? I always thought that Africa was the one place where things were the worst in the world. Or do they get enough attention? Peace, Adam. |
| Lester Burnham 10.12.2003 21:45 |
I sure am dimwitted for making a joke like that. |
| deleted user 10.12.2003 22:13 |
Hi Adam. There is a place in the town I live in called 'The Holland Rescue Mission'. They deal with homeless, and those less fortunate than I. And I also give to assorted church organizations that are in my town. They help with food, clothing, medicines and in some cases places for people to live. I don't want to, or feel the need to donate money where I am not sure of where it is going. With the ones I mentioned, I am sure. Thanks for asking. Peace, Matt |
| Mr. Scully 11.12.2003 02:50 |
Vim Fuego - very good post about Sun City. Didn't Freddie say something like "a lot of money are to be earned there"? Nobody cared about apartheid. In defence of proton I have to say he's a stepford since the very beginning, it's impossible to change him. He's basically a good guy, he only has a strange opinion on some of the Queen activities :-) |
| ogre t raylot 11.12.2003 03:27 |
"It's directed at HIS fans? Are you sure it's not a widespread message to all. But not excluding Queen fans" Who, but his fans, is going to access his website and read the message? Certainly not your average Joe that's for sure. I'm all for stopping the downloading of songs and giving artists their royalties (and Charities in this case) So while I agree with his views on downloading from the internet, I would say the wording of his message in this case was ill advised. |
| akan 11.12.2003 06:44 |
i think itsn't right to remeber the period of suncity because now they tried to redress that fact and they have showed belief in doint it.yes, suncity was a bad fact in the queen story but now brian and roger are tryng to show that they made a mistake and are tryng to remedy.After the 46664 it's useless to remebr the '85 |
| Guy 11.12.2003 07:55 |
They took risks by broadcasting it on several mediums, just like when Electronic Arts (for example) does when it releases a new computer game. If an artist goes to a mall and hands out 10,000 copies of his new album for free, he can't complain afterwards why no one buys it. |
| Manzotin 11.12.2003 08:07 |
I think it's such a stupid thing to share music or videos ideated for a charity purpose. Brian is totally right in becomin' hungry abuot this. It's not simply a fact of stealing something like a musical product. This is something different. Downloading that songs (or video or anything else) you are upsetting the entire idea of this concert, that is NOT to make music to entertain people or like a form of art, but to use it like a vehicle to help people in need. Yeah, the entertainment and artistic factors are present indeed, but this time they are not the goal. I agree that sharing this kind of stuff is equivalent to being a jackal. Some people maybe say "i download this to see it in prewiew, and then i'll buy the stuff" but do u really think that there are so many people sayn' this? I haven't donated, and i am not so hypocrite to say the contrary, bot i'll never dwnlad that stuff. Maybe i'll buy the dvd with a friend, just because i like it. Simply i don't belive in the utility of this events. But i'm not sayn' i'm objectivly right and i'll not destroy the work of people that belive in them. |
| D.Blythe 11.12.2003 10:59 |
What artist would hand out 10,000 copies of an album in a mall? I would say that anyone who would is already worried about not selling their album. |
| Guy 11.12.2003 11:24 |
That's my point, just imagine how many people watched the concert on TV, the webcast or heard it on the radio. |