| geeksandgeeks 26.11.2003 13:14 |
I don't know why I watch the show of this sickening, dastardly creep, but I happened to see it last night. You've all heard, I'm sure, about Kami, the HIV + muppet on the South African version of Sesame Street. She's an AIDS orphan, and was introduced on there because SS felt that children in South Africa who were AIDS orphans, or who had it themselves, needed a TV character they could identify with. O'Reilly's big mistake was to flash a really cute clip of an episode with Kami in it. In the meantime, he is trumpeting about how this is inappropriate and immoral for such a young audience, and that he was worried that Kami could fins her way onto the US version of the show. I was so pissed off when I heard that that I almost threw something. What's inappropriate is that these poor kids have to LIVE with this disease, asshole! What's inappropriate is that they lost their parents to this disease! If you're so concerned about immorality, why don't you give a little of your time and/or money to help these children? That's all the Sesame Street people are trying to do. I will certainly never be gracing that man's program with my eyes again. |
| NoOneButYou1975 26.11.2003 13:55 |
he has his head so far up his arse its not funny...he cant even see the good in people... |
| geeksandgeeks 26.11.2003 14:16 |
He not only has his head up his own ass, but that of Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Roger Ailes. I can't tell you how sorry I feel sometimes for alan colmes, the sole Fox "liberal" (actually, he's very moderate) and co-star of HANNITY & colmes. But none of the above named are as mean as O'Reilly. |
| Guy 26.11.2003 14:19 |
I liked him so far and I haven't watched the program you were talking about... |
| Saffron Caribou 26.11.2003 15:56 |
Mandy, why don't you email O'Reilly with your rant. |
| NoOneButYou1975 26.11.2003 16:02 |
eh he wont read it on the air....if he does i'll be suprised |
| Maz 26.11.2003 16:14 |
If you really want to change someone's opinion, you don't resort to calling him an asshole or telling him he's got his head up his ass. The man is only an asshole because you disagree with him. He has his opinion, which is generally that the US is becoming too secularized, and he argues that scularization is bad. Agree or disagree, stick to the merits of the argument, and not cheap shots. That's a very Al Franken thing to do. In this case, it appears that O'Reilly is equating AIDS with immorality, which should be the avenue to debate him on. Obviously, the idea that children infected with AIDS through no fault of their own is not immoral, but an epidemic needing remedy. |
| geeksandgeeks 26.11.2003 16:24 |
Zeni, did I EVER say that I wanted to change his opinion? No, I didn't. I am not trying to have a logical debate with a man, especially since I already know he would not grant me that courtesy. Given what he does to other people, I wouldn't be surprised if I got a "get out of my studio before I tear you to f**king pieces", which he has done before. He is an asshole because he is a thin-skinned bully. I rarely agree with George Will or William Safire, but I respect their opinions because they are intelligent people. and to Marie - why on earth would I do that? Then I'd have to talk to him. :P |
| Maz 26.11.2003 16:31 |
Then by all means, Geeks, lower yourself to his level by resorting to name calling. See how far that gets you in life. |
| Brandon 26.11.2003 16:50 |
I agree with Zeni. I listen to him every so often at work and while he is very forceful with his beliefs, I have never heard him threatening someone physically. But it's rather pathetic that instead of writing him and stating your opinion you come and slander him on a QZ BB. And no I'm not sticking up for him, as he annoys me quite often (Is it just me or does he interrupt guests with whom he agrees just to hear himself speak?) but namecalling is not very productive. Of course what strikes me as funny is how people get so upset about others' opinions. I assume he is entitled to one? I must say though, Zeni seems to be one of the most levelheaded posters ever on QZ. Of course, there's not much competition... |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2003 17:30 |
I'm with Mandy on this one. Besides, "name calling" is one thing that most of us do, and even those who criticize others for calling people names, have done it before. So maybe they should look at the mirror before judging. Back to Mr. O'Reilly... he might be to the eyes of lots of us, an "asshole". But if you want to hear nicer terms, then lets just call the man... "extremely narrow minded and obnoxious". The only reason why he's on the air is because he creates too much controversy and sadly that's one thing that brings a lot of ratings. Here in NY, 102.7 saw their ratings hit the ground after their shock jocks Opie & Anthony got kicked off after broadcasting a couple having sex at St.Patrick's church. |
| Maz 26.11.2003 17:44 |
"Besides, "name calling" is one thing that most of us do, and even those who criticize others for calling people names, have done it before. So maybe they should look at the mirror before judging." Is that your veiled attempt at calling me a hypocrite? Or would you rather just come out and say it? Yes, Danny, I called you Jackass before, and thus resorted to the very name calling I chided Mandy for doing. I apologized for making my feelings known in such a public setting, as I should let others judge your actions for themselves. Since then, I stick to the facts of the debate with you, though even those seem to be beyond you at times. |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2003 17:51 |
<< Is that your veiled attempt at calling me a hypocrite? >> Well, if you still think I'm a "jackass", perhaps you are. But if you really meant it when you apologized then you're not. Since we're not able to read minds, you're the only one who knows. |
| Maz 26.11.2003 17:55 |
Odd thing, Danny, is that I apologized for what I said, but you never did. What does that say about you? |
| Margo 26.11.2003 17:58 |
I'm sure that everyone on this NB (or at least- everyone who has bothered to read this topic) understands that Mandy's point was not to call Bill O'Reilley names, but to instead talk about the fact that he is against the HIV poistive puppet on sesamie street. I am equally certain that in understanding this, all of you who posted about the name calling simply wanted to draw attention to it and not, instead, draw attention away from the real issue in a weak attempt to defend Bill O'Reilley. I know that no one here ment to get into a pointless arguement about name calling, and I suggest, that in that case, we should go back to the original topic. Furthermore, I would like to express my abosolute disgust that Mr. O'Reilley would say that having this muppet on the show is 'immoral'. Children, should be very aware of this disease, not only to learn about is, but to understand that people who have it aren't bad people, as many are taught to beileve. He really shouldn't be talking about what children should or should not know. |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2003 18:00 |
<< Odd thing, Danny, is that I apologized for what I said, but you never did. What does that say about you? >> Hmmm... That I'm still a 'Jackass' to you? LOL |
| Maz 26.11.2003 18:03 |
Thanks, Danny, for being the adult here. |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2003 18:06 |
You're welcome, Zeni. Cheeri-o |
| Margo 26.11.2003 18:07 |
no one notices me do they? *sighs* |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2003 18:09 |
Hi Margot, sorry we didn't notice you? Btw... how come you didn't post for quite a while? |
| Maz 26.11.2003 18:14 |
Since Danny seems content to make fun of me (or incapable in carrying on an intelligent conversation) I'll address Margot: "I'm sure that everyone on this NB (or at least- everyone who has bothered to read this topic) understands that Mandy's point was not to call Bill O'Reilley names, but to instead talk about the fact that he is against the HIV poistive puppet on sesamie street." If you truly want to adress the issue, then address it. Talk about the issue. Point out the fallacies of it. Point out the positives of it. If you resort to calling names, you've polarized your audience, and the issue becomes but a background. I may agree with Mandy 100 percent, but when I hear people simply refer to the other side as an "asshole" I completely tune out. If that's the best they can do to argue against it, why should I bother with it? |
| Margo 26.11.2003 18:26 |
What I did say is that I think its a shame that O'Reilley is calling 'Kami' immoral. He, as well as all of the watchers os SS need to understand about HIV. If we don't know about it, we can't do anything to make it better. Instead of realizing that having an HIV+ muppet on the show is a valuable learning experience, O'Reilley instead demeaning it, saying that it's innapropriate for children. (P.S. My name is not spelled with a t at the end. i know its trivial and all, but thats really a big pet peeve of mine. sorry.) |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2003 18:26 |
<< Since Danny seems content to make fun of me (or incapable in carrying on an intelligent conversation) I'll address MLB. >> Well, it happens to be that carrying a converstion with you is always this never-ending story, so arguing with you is like driving in circles. That's the reason why sometimes I find conversations with charles baer more intersting. Admit it Zeni, you always take things out of the context of the topic. Mandy's main purpose wasn't to call O'Reilly an asshole, but to show how narrow minded he is to not be able to see the reality of all those children victims of AIDS and who need someone to tell them that they're not alone. Yes, you could say she called him an "asshole" and how wrong that is, but then again most people who know the guy think so too, so what difference does it make? |
| Maz 26.11.2003 18:38 |
"(P.S. My name is not spelled with a t at the end. i know its trivial and all, but thats really a big pet peeve of mine. sorry.)" My apologies. I took my cue from Danny on that. "Yes, you could say she called him an "asshole" and how wrong that is, but then again most people who know the guy think so too, so what difference does it make?" You assume that everyone agrees with you and Mandy on this issue. I would prefer to see intelligent debate on QZ, with issues being discussed in a respectful manner and opinions changed for the best, then simple name calling. You prefer the alternative, with cheap insults following crude remarks, and only care if people agree. I personally don't like my political beliefs dictated to me by O'Reilly or by you. As for your other claims concering me, Danny, I find little incentive to address them. You would rather make fun of me or trivialize my comments, then deal with me on an intelligent level. And you still never apologized for what you've said before, so why should I explain myself to you. |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2003 18:45 |
"little man"... I guess that makes it 2. And seriously, if anything I said offended you, then I apologize. |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2003 18:47 |
Then perhaps you should tell us why Bill O'Rilley is not an "asshole", or whatever anyone wants to call him. |
| Mr.Jingles 26.11.2003 18:49 |
Ahhh... "little man" edit. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Well, I'm still "little man" anyways. |
| Saint Jiub 26.11.2003 21:28 |
Jingles has a special talent. He seems to be one of the few people who can perturb level-headed Zeni. I thought I was an asshole, but now I relize that I am just a pretender. Mr Jingles - Will you be my mentor? |
| Saint Jiub 26.11.2003 21:31 |
Well it seems O'Reilly's opinion of Sesame Street is absurd. I geuss my low opinion of Al Franken went up a small notch. |
| Holly2003 27.11.2003 02:19 |
Read this and then tell me you don't think O'Reilly is an ignoramus. link |
| geeksandgeeks 27.11.2003 09:26 |
That is what I was referring to, Holly. Obviously O'Reilly does not stoop to the level of debating with people who disagreed with him. I would be happy to try to debate the issue with him, if I weren't sure that he'd try to kill me. I'm kind of small, as opposed to the 6'4" O'Reilly. I was *mad* when I was watching that particular episode of the Factor, and I think the man is an asshole. It happened to be on again in my house last night, and John Kasich was co-subhosting for Bill. Who says they aren't fair and balanced? |