| Spiderleg Synthia 21.11.2003 06:09 |
I know this topic has been done to death, but I've been looking everywhere and I can't find anything! Approximately how wide is Roger's vocal range? |
| FriedChicken 21.11.2003 06:16 |
from here * * to there |
| iGSM 21.11.2003 06:17 |
It's true. I checked. It's legit. |
| Sebastian 21.11.2003 06:43 |
as far as recording goes, from A1 to E4 |
| FriedChicken 21.11.2003 07:19 |
where is that A1? and btw, since theres still confusion about the octave numbers. A1 is the open A string on a guitar? |
| Sebastian 21.11.2003 07:57 |
A1 - Ride The Wild Wind demo. I think also he does it in the low voice of Drowse, although it's very very very weak. The one in RTWW seems to be much more powerful (though I haven't listened to it) |
| Sebastian 21.11.2003 09:01 |
by the way the A1 I talk about is the 110 Hz A. |
| FriedChicken 21.11.2003 09:18 |
alright |
| PD. 21.11.2003 12:04 |
The low octave-harmony in "Action This Day" reaches D1 at 0:44 ("...show DO-own"). Is it Roger? |
| FriedChicken 21.11.2003 12:28 |
the low voice is Freddie, but i doubt it's natural (i think the did the same trick with Leroy Brown) Cause it's not weak |
| Brian's sweet sister 21.11.2003 14:25 |
He's got a good vocal range in 'More Of That Jazz' and 'Rock it'. Don't forget the high-ptched galileo's in BR. I don't think it's particularly good in IILWMC though. |
| Sebastian 21.11.2003 16:34 |
The Galileos are falsetto, but I think Roger or Fred could have done them with head voices if they wanted to |
| FriedChicken 21.11.2003 17:21 |
i'm sure Brian could do it aswell, since he's also in the "very very frightningh me" part |
| Sebastian 21.11.2003 17:25 |
in the takes brian showed in the documentary that's only fred, you can clearly hear it's him. in the album version he was replaced by roger no way brian could do an a4 |
| FriedChicken 21.11.2003 17:39 |
he does the A4 in very very frightning me |
| Sebastian 21.11.2003 17:42 |
no he doesn't, even though he says that's the three of them no way it's like that. in fact roger isn't there either, it's just a double or triple tracked freddie roger did sing it in the album version but what brian showed was an outtake, still he wasn't there highest note brian did on recordings was an F4. |
| FriedChicken 21.11.2003 17:44 |
if brian says it's the three of us, it is the 3 of them. it's not that difficult |
| Pim Derks 21.11.2003 17:54 |
"Brian showed an outtake" Not true. Brian used the original mastertape for the "Inside The Rhapsody" docu - so he just muted some channels to show stuff which would be buried in the mix normally. |
| FriedChicken 21.11.2003 17:57 |
you're right.. I thought you went to bed Pim. Xie je morgen! |
| Sebastian 21.11.2003 17:58 |
> if brian says it's the three of us, it is the 3 of them. it's not that difficult oh really? is he god or anything? brian said masterstroke was recorded in wessex, and mentioned its story as part of "secrets from a night at the opera and a day at the races" brian said in 1983 that he played koto in 'teo torriate' brian said in 1998 that he didn't believe fred ever sang silver salmon he can be wrong, while the tapes are not, either the voices are the three of them or they're not, that's even more simple and yes he did show outtakes, because he showed the piano of the "is this the real life... reality" part, which, as he said, was taken out he also showed fred singing the high galileos in fact he did say that some of the takes he was showing went into the final mix, and some of them didn't |
| Brian's sweet sister 22.11.2003 06:02 |
Well I looked on that website of yours Sebastian, and on the vocals for BR, there's bloody loads, I could't read it all, there was so much, so to summarize it, Roger did sing the high galileo's, Freddie sung the low ones and most of the song and Brian a little exc. harmonies, which they all sung right? |
| Sebastian 22.11.2003 08:12 |
yes in Bo Rhap there's way more Freddie than everybody else. All the harmonies of the other sections are by him, also, the 'scaramouche' three-part is three Freddie's. 'thunderbolt...' is all Fred except for the top voice which is Roger. All the cascades of 'Magnifico' and 'Let Me Go' are Freddie. Brian appears in the 'monstrosisty' and 'for me' parts, which are the biggest. In those parts I guess they all sang all the lines except for the lowest, which is just Freddie, and the highest, which is either Freddie, or Roger, or both of them I think in front right channel you can hear a very weak falsetto on 'Mamma Mia Let Me Go'. That's Brian |
| FriedChicken 22.11.2003 14:36 |
"is he god or anything?" I didn't say that, But i'm sure he could sing that. and because you don't think he could, that doesn't mean it's true. Maybe you think you're god? |
| joep the rocker 22.11.2003 15:40 |
'I'm sure Freddie could also do that note but his falsetto screaming sounded awful those days (that's why Roger sung the high Galileos as well).' Sebastian, I agree with your analysis of Bo rap. But i dont agree with this statement. I dont think Fred could have reached that high. Why do you think Freddie could? |
| Sebastian 22.11.2003 16:12 |
I don't think I'm god, I'm just pretty sure Brian could never sing an A4. Note how weak his D4s sounded at the time. Maybe with a lot of effort he could handle even an F4, but an A4 ... never It's like pretending Freddie could sing a B0 Freddie sang a C#5 in 1984 (3 semitones above the for me note), and his voice was way higher in the 70s. Moreover, Fred sang A4s in II, Opera and Races albums and the Bb4 is just one semitone above that. And to finish, that's something else you can note that isn't written in my site: if you listen to front left channel (or front right? I mix them up in my head a lot of times), you'll see that the "for me" is sung by Roger AND Freddie. Freddie's voice is quieter and that's why in a stereo mix with all those tracks together it's hard to notice he's also there. By the way in the last statement I didn't mean Fred's voice is quieter than Roger, because it isn't, according to Roger himself. What I meant is that Freddie's Bb4 has lower volume than Roger's. Fred's sang it quietly and Roger screamed it. Not such a contrast but more or less it was that |
| Brian's sweet sister 22.11.2003 16:19 |
What notes did Freddie get to in 'Cool Cat'? They were pretty high. And that was the eighties. |
| Sebastian 22.11.2003 16:28 |
Cool Cat I don't remember so much but they were around E4 or F4 I think. That's not so high, or yeah, that's pretty high but not exceptional for Queen standards. Note that in the first five albums it was so common for Fred and/or Roger to sing above that F4: My Fairy King, In The Lap Of The Gods, March Of The Black Queen, Teo Torriate, White Queen, '39 and Millionaire Waltz all have A4s. |
| The Real Wizard 23.11.2003 00:43 |
"Freddie sang a C#5 in 1984 (3 semitones above the for me note)" On record or on stage? I find that rather hard to believe... I thought you said on your website that Freddie's highest falsetto was a Bb4, like in Rock In Rio blues... ?? (Or was that another website? lol!) |
| Sebastian 23.11.2003 07:29 |
it's in Impromptu why it's hard to believe is beyond me. Fred of course could sing that high (although that Db5 isn't the cleanest note I've heard). Roger also could sing higher than what he did on studio. yes in Rock In Rio Blues Fred does sing a Bb4 as well, and his voice in '85 was also lower than in early 70s. |
| The Real Wizard 23.11.2003 10:18 |
"it's in Impromptu" Can you be a little more particular than that? :) |
| Fenderek 23.11.2003 11:37 |
IMO Roger was just simply more confident with hitting high notes. Freddie had powerful voice with a beautiful "colour", but wasn't that confident, especially on stage. As Montserrat said once, he was shy about he's voice and only she persuaded him to sing with everything he had. Roger was confident with that from the very begining. That's my opinion of course... |
| Sebastian 23.11.2003 12:18 |
Fred sang the Db5 in Milan's 1984 Impromptu I think Fred got tired of singing all the concert so he had more problems doing high notes than Roger, who only sang in the choruses, but still the highest notes of the band on stage are by Freddie (Impromptus) |
| The Real Wizard 23.11.2003 22:48 |
Nah, I don't think it had much to do with tedium. In most Works shows, his voice would limit him to Ab or A at best, and it would slightly crack at that point. He didn't hit the high notes because he couldn't. He didn't take care of his voice, and it shows. |
| Spisso 24.11.2003 06:05 |
I'm with Fenderek and Seb |
| Sebastian 24.11.2003 12:36 |
yes he didn't take care, note how in Japan 79 he was clearly with a cold and still he took off his shirt |
| AndresGuazzelli 24.11.2003 18:44 |
Roger's vocal range (at least recorded) goes from A1 (Ride The Wild Wind, Demo) to E4 on head voice (I'm In Love With My Car) and C5 with falsetto (Seaside Rendezvous) Freddie goes from F1 (All Dead, BoRhap) to E4 (Hang On In there) with head voice and C#5 with falsetto (1984, Milan, Improptu) Brian goes from F1 to D4 on head voice and F4 with falsetto, all of them on 'Resurrection'. Brian didn't sang that High A on 'frightening me' and Freddie didn't sang a Bb4 on the 'For me' part. Freddie sang an Ab4 while Roger is singing the Bb4 (Ab is the minor seventh of the Bb7 chord, which is the chord played on that part.) |
| Sebastian 24.11.2003 19:18 |
very cool, then it's perhaps a nine part harmony, which would be the biggest used in the band |
| deleted user 25.11.2003 15:06 |
I agree with Fenderek,Sebastian and Guitar Hero.Freddie was indeed more limited in live situations and Roger was always doing the hard work.Yes, he seems to be more confident in singing the high notes in live performances.But imo this lies to the kind of Roger's voice.It is sometimes difficult to recognize if Roger is singing falsetto or head voice.One thing is certain,I have never heard Roger struggling to sing a song as many times as I have heard Freddie do so. |
| Brian's sweet sister 25.11.2003 15:16 |
Freddie was a chain smoker though, so that probably contributed to him not always reaching the high notes. Sorry to change to Freddie's vocal range from Roger's but didn't Freddie also get a pretty high note in 'Don't Lose Your Head' and that was the late eighties. And Roger achieved a high note in More of that Jazz, and sung particularly well in Rock It |
| geeksandgeeks 25.11.2003 16:31 |
Where on the piano is an F4? I know as much about music theory as I do about the native tribes of darkest Africa. |
| Sebastian 25.11.2003 17:11 |
F4 is 1 octave and 5 semitones above central C |
| joep the rocker 25.11.2003 21:35 |
Well i dont want to be the one disagreeing but where do you get the idea Roger is more confident live? Roger just has a good voice wich lends itself for some high notes and backing up Freddie. Fred litteraly gave everything every night and then a backing vocalist like Roger comes in handy (i dont think Fred actually new how to sing without doing it full force). The reason Roger hits the high notes is because he has a high voice. But there is a difference between singing some back up vocals here and there and singing two hours on the level Freddie did. Roger cant even do that on one song (listen to ga ga in amsterdam and tell me how confident he is)let alone four times a week, two hours a show (let alone while dancing around on stage). I sing myself and i know there is a big difference between fooling around and doing some backing vocals or singing two hours on the top of your longs. That demands talent and technique. Roger has some talent, but no technique at all. further Roger actually had a cool sounding voice but its not that strong or loud. Listen to ,I believe magic years, and hear Freddie and Roger warming up their voices. Roger gets blown away in every aspect. Further Fred was not insecure about his high notes. I dont believe Fred was insecure about anything (except maybe his teeth). He was insecure about his voice when playing with Caballe, well ofcourse she was his idol and one of the best female vocalists on the planet. On stage with queen Freddie ofcourse wasnt insecure about hitting high notes, he was a rock-god and one of the best vocalists live and he knew it. Freddie just coulnt reach all the high notes all the time live, because its just plain impossible to do that. |
| Sebastian 26.11.2003 08:16 |
I don't think Roger has a higher voice than Freddie, only that they worked that way. Fred could do the low part and Roger the high part, but if Fred did the high part Roger couldn't do the low part. Besides I think nerves do affect here. Fred was a showman and all of that, but as Roger said in the Wembley interviews, he was more nervous than the rest because all the eyes were looking at him. Roger didn't have that pressure, besides he didn't get so tired in the throat, he just had to sing in the choruses. Fred didn't take care of his voice, and after something like Impromptu it's understandable his throat got exhausted. If Roger sang Impromptu I think he should have to shut up for the rest of the day. Just an opinion |
| FriedChicken 26.11.2003 08:59 |
"I don't think Roger has a higher voice than Freddie, only that they worked that way." Why?? do you think he's God? |
| Sebastian 26.11.2003 09:34 |
I don't understand your question, what relation has the voice with the god or not god condition? |
| joep the rocker 26.11.2003 12:07 |
'Besides I think nerves do affect here. Fred was a showman and all of that, but as Roger said in the Wembley interviews, he was more nervous than the rest because all the eyes were looking at him.' Thats true but that there is a different between being nervous and being insecure. Some people on this board always like to turn Freddie in this insecure lonely little boy, wich he wasnt. He knew what he was doing and he did the most incredible things live. So if he missed a note it was due to throat problems after a extensive tour and not because of insecurity. |
| Sebastian 26.11.2003 12:18 |
yes I agree Fred wasn't shy on stage, at all |
| geeksandgeeks 26.11.2003 12:26 |
"I don't think Roger has a higher voice than Freddie" Yeah, right. I might not be Miss Listening Expert, but I do have ears. God only knows what voice part Freddie sang with, but Roger sang best with his falsetto. One does not judge a person's voice by the top and bottom notes of their range, but by what their comfort zone is. It's no use bragging that you can sing that F4 if you sound like you're choking to death while doing it - not to say Freddie did, of course. But Roger's comfort zone was much higher than Fred's. |
| Virtuoso 26.11.2003 17:19 |
"I don't understand your question, what relation has the voice with the god or not god condition?" Yeah,me too He's probably trying to get back at you for the 'God' comment you said. |
| Sebastian 26.11.2003 17:57 |
the difference is that, as far as I remember, I didn't say something like "if Roger said ... then it's ..." |
| Spisso 27.11.2003 08:20 |
I'm totally with joep the rocker |
| geeksandgeeks 27.11.2003 09:39 |
Why is my second post way the hell up there? Is this board screwing me over again? |