Queen2thebest 20.04.2020 20:42 |
As a brand new member, I realise I'll get shot down for defending an album that is hated. However, I wasn't sure of Queen 2 on first listen. It's now my fave studio album, has been since bought it in '92. With Hot Space, first time (on tape!)...was truly shocked. However, take out Cool Cat, I think it's a belter. To call it 'disco' is off the mark. There's only really Staying Power and Body Language that are true disco. Backchat is fab with it's driving riff. I prob listen to this album more than ADATR and Jazz. I'd put it in my top 5 along with ANATO, The Game, Queen 2, and Innuendo. NOTW coming close...I welcome the inevitable backlash...we've all our faves of course... |
Saint Jiub 20.04.2020 21:05 |
Because of persistent trolls like Gerry, Jupiter, runner and Aristide, 90%+ of QZers have jumped ship to link If you register and post there, you will get a better response than you will here. ;p |
Ale Solan 20.04.2020 21:28 |
Queen2thebest wrote: As a brand new member, I realise I'll get shot down for defending an album that is hated. However, I wasn't sure of Queen 2 on first listen. It's now my fave studio album, has been since bought it in '92. With Hot Space, first time (on tape!)...was truly shocked. However, take out Cool Cat, I think it's a belter. To call it 'disco' is off the mark. There's only really Staying Power and Body Language that are true disco. Backchat is fab with it's driving riff. I prob listen to this album more than ADATR and Jazz. I'd put it in my top 5 along with ANATO, The Game, Queen 2, and Innuendo. NOTW coming close...I welcome the inevitable backlash...we've all our faves of course...https://i.imgur.com/KPSeKxE.png"> |
MyHumanZoo 21.04.2020 00:57 |
I was the same on Queen II, but it quickly jumped to the top of my list. I can’t say the same for Hot Space, although I will say I disliked it at first, and now I have come to appreciate much of it. It’s not nearly in my top 5, but I really like Staying Power, Put Out The Fire, and Calling All Girls. It’s still the last album I’d listen to if given a choice, and Queen II is the first! |
Saint Jiub 21.04.2020 01:57 |
I would listen to The Cosmos Rocks before I would listen to Hot Space. Hot Space and Flash Gordon are my least favorite Queen albums. |
runner_70 21.04.2020 05:21 |
Saint Jiub wrote: I would listen to The Cosmos Rocks before I would listen to Hot Space. Hot Space and Flash Gordon are my least favorite Queen albums.Hot Space is great it was my first Queen album - and you are an idiot (but we knew that b4) |
Markman38 21.04.2020 09:22 |
I really love Life is Real and off course Under Pressure |
JS21 21.04.2020 14:12 |
I like Hotspace. I like Staying power, Put out the fire, Dancer, Back chat, Life is real, Under pressure. Freddie's vocals are excellent in this album. Action this day and Calling all girls ( only live version, esp. japan 1982 version) |
scottmax 21.04.2020 14:15 |
Guitar solo on Dancer is one of my favourites of Brian’s |
Queen2thebest 21.04.2020 16:37 |
Guitar solo on Dancer is great yes. I think Queen, more than any other band you can split into the buying the hits/studio album type. We've all met the people in pub (remember those? They'll be back soon)...who tap along to the hits from jukebox, but if they heard The Prophets song or The loser in the end, they wouldn't have a clue. Nothing wrong with that. We've all been guilty of copping out and buying a band's hits album...Knew I'd divide opinion with Hot Space but I love it. On The Miracle boxset note...surely there's other tracks from albums to be revealed? I'm possibly like most fans, if there's shedload of demos, bsides etc I'm there |
Saint Jiub 21.04.2020 20:09 |
runner_70 wrote:Being called an idiot by a "we" troll is a compliment.Saint Jiub wrote: I would listen to The Cosmos Rocks before I would listen to Hot Space. Hot Space and Flash Gordon are my least favorite Queen albums.Hot Space is great it was my first Queen album - and you are an idiot (but we knew that b4) |
Star* 22.04.2020 13:08 |
Freddie was very disappointed in which way the fans slated "Hot Space" as he thought a new direction for Queen would be a great thing but sadly the fans rejected the album so of course Queen pulled out all the stops for the next album and named it "The Works" for that is what the fans moaned for and they got it ! I like Hot Space it has some wonderful tracks on it like "Dancer" "Cool Cat" & "Las palabras De Amour" (words of love) For me Queen have never made a bad album and it depends on the style of music and songs that give us all our favourite Queen album ! |
MiracleTour1989 22.04.2020 13:47 |
I can see why Hot Space wasn't popular at the time, especially in the US. But Under Pressure is an all-time classic. I love Cool Cat. Freddie is sensational on that. My 11-year-old daughter loves Backchat. Staying Power is fun, especially live. Dancer is pretty weak and Body Language was a bad choice for a single. Even a Queen misstep is better than most band's best. |
Holly2003 22.04.2020 14:42 |
Give it a chance? It was released nearly 40 years ago! If it had much merit it would have aged with time or been 'rediscovered' by the generations of fans who have come since. But it hasn't. It has some good aspects like Brian's perfect solo in Back Chat but let's face it, it was a poor record, a very poor Queen record, and a hot mess in terms of the message it sent out to old school fans back then. |
pittrek 22.04.2020 15:08 |
Dancer is OK. The extended version of Back Chat is OK. Under Pressure is kinda OK. And that's about it. Most of the songs have some interesting ideas in them, and all of the songs sound a million times better live, but as an album it gets a giant "meh" from me |
Queen2thebest 22.04.2020 16:30 |
I'm obviously aware of it's age...but how many times has Holly2003 given it a FULL play? 2 or 3 I'm guessing. Have to say, looked in on this site loads times before posting. My other bands are (we've all loads)...Suede and REM. Their forums have pretty much zero insults. Ok, every band has the occasional weak album. The whole reason I defended Hot Space....no...the MAJESTIC Hot Space....is because it receives no love. I'm a huge Curb your enthusiasm fan. Larry David, what a genius. And he'd say about Queen 2 and Hot Space....pretty pretty pretty pretty good... |
Holly2003 22.04.2020 16:41 |
Queen2thebest wrote: I'm obviously aware of it's age...but how many times has Holly2003 given it a FULL play? 2 or 3 I'm guessing. Have to say, looked in on this site loads times before posting. My other bands are (we've all loads)...Suede and REM. Their forums have pretty much zero insults. Ok, every band has the occasional weak album. The whole reason I defended Hot Space....no...the MAJESTIC Hot Space....is because it receives no love. I'm a huge Curb your enthusiasm fan. Larry David, what a genius. And he'd say about Queen 2 and Hot Space....pretty pretty pretty pretty good...I didn't insult you, I offered an opinion on Queen's weakest album. Weak sales, poor fan and even band reaction all support my view. If you want uncritical fan worship I would suggest you don't come here. Or at least, if you do post here don't offer an opinion and then get pissy when someone disagrees with you. |
runner_70 22.04.2020 18:54 |
Dancer: very good Staying Power: very good/GREAT live Put Out the Fire: Very good to awesome Under Pressure: Classic Las Palabras De Amor: Awesome Back Chat: Very good Action This Day: Very good Life Is Real: ok Cool Cat: Crap Body Language: meh Calling All Girls: ok I can think of Queen albums with much more crap songs and less good ones than HS. Very good album |
Queen2thebest 22.04.2020 19:25 |
Holly2003...weakest album and sales? I beg to differ...that is surely Flash Gordon soundtrack. And as for getting pissy, takes a lot more than your post to annoy me. It's quite hilarious in fact you think so. Can't these sites just be normal? I've met Queen fans in pubs who say don't go near the forums. You'll always have someone know better than you. Even when it's your fave song/album etc. You're bound to respond...you can't help it...I won't... |
Holly2003 22.04.2020 20:05 |
Queen2thebest wrote: Holly2003...weakest album and sales? I beg to differ...that is surely Flash Gordon soundtrack. And as for getting pissy, takes a lot more than your post to annoy me. It's quite hilarious in fact you think so. Can't these sites just be normal? I've met Queen fans in pubs who say don't go near the forums. You'll always have someone know better than you. Even when it's your fave song/album etc. You're bound to respond...you can't help it...I won't...I said weak sales, not weakest. Just correcting your mistake. You're welcome. |
brENsKi 23.04.2020 09:27 |
runner_70 wrote:Dancer: very good Staying Power: very good/GREAT live Put Out the Fire: Very good to awesome Las Palabras De Amor: Awesome Life Is Real: ok Cool Cat: Crap Body Language: meh I can think of Queen albums with much more crap songs and less good ones than HS. Very good albumfor someone who loves Freddie / hates Brian - you took aim and missed (badly) with your (lack of in-depth) analysis: Brian Las Palabras De Amor: Awesome Put Out the Fire: Very good to awesome Dancer: very good Freddie Staying Power: very good/GREAT live Life Is Real: ok Cool Cat: Crap Body Language: meh closet Brian fan, perhaps? also, you've illustrated perfectly the point people have been trying to make to you trolls for years: Freddie's early-mid 80's output was the poor product of a clubbing hedonist, too lazy to work at his art. |
The Real Wizard 23.04.2020 23:32 |
brENsKi wrote:Standing ovation.runner_70 wrote:Dancer: very good Staying Power: very good/GREAT live Put Out the Fire: Very good to awesome Las Palabras De Amor: Awesome Life Is Real: ok Cool Cat: Crap Body Language: meh I can think of Queen albums with much more crap songs and less good ones than HS. Very good albumfor someone who loves Freddie / hates Brian - you took aim and missed (badly) with your (lack of in-depth) analysis: Brian Las Palabras De Amor: Awesome Put Out the Fire: Very good to awesome Dancer: very good Freddie Staying Power: very good/GREAT live Life Is Real: ok Cool Cat: Crap Body Language: meh closet Brian fan, perhaps? also, you've illustrated perfectly the point people have been trying to make to you trolls for years: Freddie's early-mid 80's output was the poor product of a clubbing hedonist, too lazy to work at his art. |
Vocal harmony 24.04.2020 12:35 |
runner_70 wrote:Always fun to pop in here and read what this clown is saying.Saint Jiub wrote: I would listen to The Cosmos Rocks before I would listen to Hot Space. Hot Space and Flash Gordon are my least favorite Queen albums.Hot Space is great it was my first Queen album - and you are an idiot (but we knew that b4) Weckwerth, if that was the first Queen album you bought, and you think it's great, fuck knows what shit you must have been into at the time. I like the album, but I don't think it's a great album. It's more adventuress than what followed, but not only is not on the same page, it's not in the same book as what they'd recorded through the 70's. |
Queen2thebest 24.04.2020 17:22 |
Re all the non fans of Hot Space. I just see beauty in disliked albums. Ask any REM fan their least fave, it's usually Monster or Up. I happen to think they're both great albums. At the end of the day, no album is an absolute belter from first track to last. Say an album has 10 tracks, it's impossible for EVERY fan to love EVERY track...having said that...Suede's Dog man star I've listened to as much as ANATO. Both an absolute masterpiece. However, both have tracks 9/10 rather than 10/10. Of course, if any Beatles fan were to wander into here, they'd beg to differ. It's the age old pub argument that really gets me...most say Beatles, Stones then Queen best of British. Stones for me are just one dimensional. Rock n roll. How many bands would have taken the utter gamble Queen did with Hot Space? |
brENsKi 24.04.2020 21:57 |
Queen2thebest wrote:How many bands would have taken the utter gamble Queen did with Hot Space?bands take utter gambles all of the time: - the risk of taking a sharp change of style is nothing new, and neither is (relative) failure that comes with it. Deep Purple: Come Taste The Band David Bowie: Tin Machine Led Zep: III Chicago: Hot Streets difference is - there are bands who make radical departures and are successful - because their diversion wasn't a mistake: Beatles: Sgt Pepper Pink Floyd: The Wall ELO: Discovery Bee Gees: Spirits Having Flown David Bowie: Let's Dance |
Martin Packer 25.04.2020 10:11 |
I like the Roger contributions to this album, especially Calling All Girls. |
Queen2thebest 25.04.2020 10:24 |
Calling all girls great. Action this day good rocker. Can't think if it's that track or Staying power on the Milton Keynes dvd where bottle comes flying past poor Deacon? |
brENsKi 25.04.2020 15:43 |
Queen2thebest wrote:Action this day good rocker. it really isn't. |
Queen2thebest 25.04.2020 18:56 |
Brenski...what 'really isn't?' Because we don't agree with you...?....You prob live home with mom. Bless her...tell her you want fry up tomorrow... |
brENsKi 25.04.2020 21:36 |
RedATD is not a good rocker - by any rock fan's standards. Redwho exactly is this "we" you speak of? could it be YOU and your seven other personality disorders? i think you'll find the majority of Queen fans don't think HS is a good album. Rednot for 37 years, moron. looks like Freddie Jupiter has a new account. Nurse forgotten to give you your meds today? |
k-m 25.04.2020 22:05 |
Original poster, it looks like you haven't really divided opinion and this topic is far more boring than you might think. It has been done to death here (Hot Space - great or bad). Just like on previous occasions, there are quite a few people who actually like some of the songs on Hot Space, I am one of them. Among these pretty good tracks, I'd name UP, Cool Cat, Las Palabras, Dancer and Put Out the Fire. Staying Power is also pretty good live. |
AlbaNo1 28.04.2020 17:01 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Most criticism of Brian, or rather expression of disappointment relates to his career/music choices since the turn of the millennium and some peculiar ego and personality traits that have emerged in the last few years.Not his music during Queen's active years.brENsKi wrote:Standing ovation.runner_70 wrote:Dancer: very good Staying Power: very good/GREAT live Put Out the Fire: Very good to awesome Las Palabras De Amor: Awesome Life Is Real: ok Cool Cat: Crap Body Language: meh I can think of Queen albums with much more crap songs and less good ones than HS. Very good albumfor someone who loves Freddie / hates Brian - you took aim and missed (badly) with your (lack of in-depth) analysis: Brian Las Palabras De Amor: Awesome Put Out the Fire: Very good to awesome Dancer: very good Freddie Staying Power: very good/GREAT live Life Is Real: ok Cool Cat: Crap Body Language: meh closet Brian fan, perhaps? also, you've illustrated perfectly the point people have been trying to make to you trolls for years: Freddie's early-mid 80's output was the poor product of a clubbing hedonist, too lazy to work at his art. |
The Real Wizard 28.04.2020 21:11 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: Most criticism of Brian, or rather expression of disappointment relates to his career/music choices since the turn of the millennium and some peculiar ego and personality traits that have emerged in the last few years.Not his music during Queen's active years.Criticism by about 20 people on internet forums. Back in reality, Brian remains one of the most respected people in the biz. |
AlbaNo1 30.04.2020 10:36 |
I assume thats to be taken as an additional point only because it doesnt counter anything in mine. |
brENsKi 30.04.2020 12:02 |
The Real Wizard wrote:AlbaNo1 wrote:Most criticism of Brian, or rather expression of disappointment relates to his career/music choices since the turn of the millennium and some peculiar ego and personality traits that have emerged in the last few years.Not his music during Queen's active years.Criticism by about 20 people on internet forums. Back in reality, Brian remains one of the most respected people in the biz. AlbaNo1 wrote:I assume thats to be taken as an additional point only because it doesnt counter anything in mine.i think you've misread the reply. RW's reply covered ALL of your comments, succinctly with three words: Back in Reality. |
AlbaNo1 30.04.2020 22:19 |
My comment of “most criticism” obviously only applies to the rationale of those that criticise. Not of those that don’t. You are totally disingenuous. Or deliberately obtuse. Or senile ? Or just illogical. By the way I like Brian May. You are on record as saying you don’t, So when are you and “Bob” going to have a heart to heart on that. |
brENsKi 01.05.2020 11:08 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:By the way I like Brian May. You are on record as saying you don’t,and you're just hopping from one argument to another - just to cause trouble. are you sure you're not a close relation of Gerry? i may have said i disagree with some of his viewpoints/decisions. there's even a number of his songs i don't like. ...but that is not disliking the person. |
runner_70 01.05.2020 11:44 |
brENsKi wrote:I do not hate May you dickhead he is a guitar legend but he is my least fave member and he sadly lost the plot by now. And now fuck off and let those talk about the music who have a clue. You are obviously not one of them you sad prickrunner_70 wrote:Dancer: very good Staying Power: very good/GREAT live Put Out the Fire: Very good to awesome Las Palabras De Amor: Awesome Life Is Real: ok Cool Cat: Crap Body Language: meh I can think of Queen albums with much more crap songs and less good ones than HS. Very good albumfor someone who loves Freddie / hates Brian - you took aim and missed (badly) with your (lack of in-depth) analysis: Brian Las Palabras De Amor: Awesome Put Out the Fire: Very good to awesome Dancer: very good Freddie Staying Power: very good/GREAT live Life Is Real: ok Cool Cat: Crap Body Language: meh closet Brian fan, perhaps? also, you've illustrated perfectly the point people have been trying to make to you trolls for years: Freddie's early-mid 80's output was the poor product of a clubbing hedonist, too lazy to work at his art. |
runner_70 01.05.2020 11:47 |
Vocal harmony wrote:As you are clearly a deaf dum and blind idiot you surely dont know whats good or whats not - in 1982 it was ahead of its time and regardless to taste (which is what music is all about) it was very daring for a band like Queen. And if you sad fucktart did not know it by know - QUeen experimented with LOTS of styles be it opera, Pomp, Heavy. Vaudeville of pop(/funk, which is what side 1 is all about. Side 2 is a continuation of The Game. No need to thank me for another Queen lesson assholerunner_70 wrote:Always fun to pop in here and read what this clown is saying. Weckwerth, if that was the first Queen album you bought, and you think it's great, fuck knows what shit you must have been into at the time. I like the album, but I don't think it's a great album. It's more adventuress than what followed, but not only is not on the same page, it's not in the same book as what they'd recorded through the 70's.Saint Jiub wrote: I would listen to The Cosmos Rocks before I would listen to Hot Space. Hot Space and Flash Gordon are my least favorite Queen albums.Hot Space is great it was my first Queen album - and you are an idiot (but we knew that b4) |
runner_70 01.05.2020 11:48 |
Queen2thebest wrote: Stones for me are just one dimensional. Rock n roll. How many bands would have taken the utter gamble Queen did with Hot Space?Those who hate HS never got the idea qhat Queen were all about |
runner_70 01.05.2020 11:49 |
brENsKi wrote:According to your taste you sad shit stirring asswipeQueen2thebest wrote:Action this day good rocker.it really isn't. |
runner_70 01.05.2020 11:50 |
Queen2thebest wrote: Brenski...what 'really isn't?' Because we don't agree with you...?....You prob live home with mom. Bless her...tell her you want fry up tomorrow...His mom threw him out - now he is living among some homeless clowns in a basement flat. |
runner_70 01.05.2020 11:50 |
The Real Wizard wrote:He has become a laughing stock for 20 years now and did not produce a single worthwhile album since thenAlbaNo1 wrote: Most criticism of Brian, or rather expression of disappointment relates to his career/music choices since the turn of the millennium and some peculiar ego and personality traits that have emerged in the last few years.Not his music during Queen's active years.Criticism by about 20 people on internet forums. Back in reality, Brian remains one of the most respected people in the biz. |
mike hunt 01.05.2020 12:36 |
runner_70 wrote:brENsKi wrote:I actually Think Action This Day Is a pretty good song. Nothing great but decent. According to your taste you sad shit stirring asswipeQueen2thebest wrote:Action this day good rocker.it really isn't. |
Vocal harmony 01.05.2020 16:35 |
runner_70 wrote:Spoken with the knowledge of someone who doesn't know him and has never met him, or anyone else in the music industry.The Real Wizard wrote:He has become a laughing stock for 20 years. . .AlbaNo1 wrote: Most criticism of Brian, or rather expression of disappointment relates to his career/music choices since the turn of the millennium and some peculiar ego and personality traits that have emerged in the last few years.Not his music during Queen's active years.Criticism by about 20 people on internet forums. Back in reality, Brian remains one of the most respected people in the biz. You're at odds with most, if not all, the people who know Brian May. |
hopeful1 14.06.2020 11:54 |
I don't feel that 'Hot Space' is a bad album at all. I think the overall negative reaction to it is three-fold : at the time of its release, some of the funk/disco songs on it made Freddie's overt sexuality a little too obvious to many listeners (it really pushed it in their faces this time around, not just skirting the edges); listeners didn't want Queen to take the funk/disco sound any further past the novelty of "Another One Bites the Dust", and wanted them to go back to emphasizing Brian May's guitar work; and a few of the songs on the album are simply average, not warranting a lot of radio airplay. But Queen were one of the few bands beyond the Beatles to REALLY vary up their sound and cover a lot of musical styles, and 'Hot Space' is a two-thirds successful attempt at doing that in my book. The only truly weak studio album from Queen during their years with Freddie, in my opinion, was 'The Miracle', which was too fluffy and weak in songwriting. It's the only official Queen album I refuse to own. 'Hot Space' deserves reevaluation from fans. Take away the homophobia in this country surrounding the album, and you'll see it wasn't bad at all even if it was their weakest album to-date at that point. |
Sebastian 14.06.2020 16:08 |
My rating of the album's got nothing to do with Frederick's sexuality. It's related to the material being sub-par compared to what they'd done prior to that. But I still prefer 'Hot Space' to 'The Works', 'A Kind of Magic' and 'The Miracle'. |
mike hunt 15.06.2020 00:10 |
It's not that bad. |
Negative Creep 17.06.2020 13:08 |
Hot Space and all the following albums just demonstrate how bad the 80's were in terms of commercial music production for rock/guitar-oriented music, and any attempts at the time to sound current have resulted in recordings that very quickly sounded dated. It is a shame they went down the rabbit hole of using every latest gadget, but obviously they were far from alone and you can't really blame them. But just imagine thinking clunky programmed electronic drums and bass were better than the real thing recorded in a professional studio! |