| Freddie Jupiter 24.03.2020 23:25 |
The real reason queen is touring with lambert is not because they need the money, or because they love playing, or because Lambert is God's gift to humanity and a better vocalist that Freddie. No, the reason they are touring is to allow Brian to continue to propagate the myth that he was the true mastermind of queens success and he wants to show that they can just as big and just as successful without Freddie -- that Freddie is just a footnote in the long history of Queen. A bit important, but no more important than Adam. That's the sad truth. |
| flash00. 25.03.2020 03:16 |
Probably that could be the reason for the Live Aid set Australia (just my opinion folks) if true Brian truly is deluded and out of touch . Brian's ego has gone through the roof since Freddie passed away. |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 03:30 |
Sadly Brian is mentally very unwell these days. He's always struggled with his mental demons but it definitely does seem to have intensified in old age. I hope he sorts it out and gets better. |
| *goodco* 25.03.2020 03:43 |
And so, Boy Genious, what is your excuse for your obsessive behavior? |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 03:49 |
I don't have any excuses. I just feel like discussing this issue with other people. Plus I have more time on my hands due to the insanity going on around me. |
| miraclesteinway 25.03.2020 04:51 |
I think this is bullshit. The reason they're touring is because they want to and because there is demand. If it was about Queen being successful without Freddie, there would have been three decades of new music..... and there hasn't been. Only one album that didn't work out well. |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 05:17 |
They tried to make new music; and it turned out positively mediocre. If they could make amazing new music they would, but they can't. Brian's only weapons are touring with crapbert, the queen movie, and insinuations about how crapbert is better than Freddie. That's all he's got. |
| brENsKi 25.03.2020 06:46 |
dbl post |
| brENsKi 25.03.2020 06:46 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:They tried to make new music; and it turned out positively mediocre. If they could make amazing new music they would, but they can't. Brian's only weapons are touring with crapbert, the queen movie, and insinuations about how crapbert is better than Freddie. That's all he's got.you still don't get it, do you? no one makes money out of new music these days. in the 70/80s bands toured to promote LP sales. these days, the only money made is from touring, movies and tv and advertising placement. even if they wanted to make new music, there's little inclination/motivation toward doing so. in the modern climate, you'll find most of the bands still recording regularly will be the late 90s/millennium bands, who may have only recorded a handful of LPs so far - there's still "stuff they want to say" - and they can use it to promote their tours. lots 70/80s major bands have been touring on and off for the last decade or so - and hardly any have produced any new music...they'll release live albums, sure. stones, who, eagles, aerosmith, kiss, whitesnake, skynyrd, leppard etc have been touring during the last 20 years - how many actual albums have been released? 2004 - aerosmith - honkin' 2006 - who - endless wire 2007 - eagles - road out of eden 2008 - leppard - sparkle lounge 2009 - skynyrd - god and guns 2011 - whitesnake - forevermore 2012 - kiss - monster 2012 - aersmith - another dimension 2016 - stones - blue and lonesome 2019 - whitesnake - flesh and blood 2019 - who - who you can shape your argument anyway you like, but the truth is that any band around as long as queen, is doing very little in the way of new original recording. there just isn't a reason to do so. |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 07:13 |
Who said anything about money? Also what are you talking about? I honestly don't know. |
| Deaky. 25.03.2020 14:30 |
Its all about been constructive and Brian cannot be arsed to be constructive anymore so he tours! To be honest Freddie and John wrote the most commercial songs in Queen and Brian today has lost the song writing ability . What in your opinion was the last decent song Brian wrote for Queen ? |
| brENsKi 25.03.2020 15:40 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:Who said anything about money? Also what are you talking about? I honestly don't know.ok, stop and think. you "honestly don't know" because you ignore any argument that refutes/dismisses your claims.. why do musicans perform? - for money. it's a job. in the 60/70s and most of the 80s, recorded music made money. these days it doesn't - so there is no incentive to sit down in writing sessions for weeks on end. on the other hand, there's plenty to be made out of touring. so if he still enjoys playing music, then touring is a better fit - as proven by the list of bands above. in the same period Queen produced 1 LP. also, somewhere along the line Brian and Roger have BOTH contributed to in excess of 250 songs. that's almost an LP's worth every two years, so if they don't want to continue to do so - it's their choice. let it rest. no one tells you what to do, do they? give it a rest. |
| brENsKi 25.03.2020 15:47 |
Enigma wrote:To be honest Freddie and John wrote the most commercial songs in Queen and Brian today has lost the song writing ability .i tend to disagree. on a worldwide scale: Freddie wrote TWO of the most commercial songs - WATC and Bo Rhap John wrote one of the most commercial songs - AOBTD. Roger had a much bigger slice of commercial success: Radio Ga Ga AKOM - huge film hit One Vision - another film hit Innuendo These Are The Days Heavan For Everyone |
| Deaky. 25.03.2020 17:52 |
Surely "One Vision" was written by all members? John had "Your My Best Friend" & "Another One Bites The Dust" and Freddie wrote a bundle of massive songs : Killer Queen Seven Seas Of Rhye Bohemian Rhapsody Somebody To Love We Are The Champions Bicycle Race Crazy Little Thing Called Love Play The Game Its A Hard Life Freddie's song writing out did other members in Queen easily and he was without doubt the bands hit maker. |
| RS_Protos 25.03.2020 18:55 |
I don't care what they do now and if they are not creative anymore, I care that they are not releasing more old material and we all know there's plenty. They are making plenty of money with concerts etc, so why not release more old material, that's what I don't understand, is it BM controlling this or record companies...... |
| The Real Wizard 25.03.2020 19:17 |
RS_Protos wrote: why not release more old material, that's what I don't understand, is it BM controlling this or record companies......It's a case by case basis, but typically it's the record companies who call the shots. |
| Pokemaniacjunk 25.03.2020 19:42 |
if they can be as big and successful without Freddie then why are they still playing Freddie's songs? |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 21:38 |
They can't be as successful without Freddie. But that doesn't stop Brian trying to create the perception that they can. Also if they didn't play Freddie's sings it would be positively weird, wouldn't it? Plus Brian also wants to create the perception that his input was significant, even on Freddie's songs. Remember that cringeworthy moment in the movie when they are recording bohemian rhapsody and Freddie says about Brian's solo "play it like you wrote it", to which Brian responds " I did, I wrote that part", as if to pound it into people that he co-composed one of the greatest hits of al time. In reality the song was entirely composed by Freddie and Brian did a few guitar overdubs here and there and a guitar solo. And even that was probably dome with a lot of input from Freddie. |
| brENsKi 25.03.2020 22:33 |
Enigma wrote: Surely "One Vision" was written by all members? John had "Your My Best Friend" & "Another One Bites The Dust" and Freddie wrote a bundle of massive songs : Killer Queen Seven Seas Of Rhye Bohemian Rhapsody Somebody To Love We Are The Champions Bicycle Race Crazy Little Thing Called Love Play The Game Its A Hard Life Freddie's song writing out did other members in Queen easily and he was without doubt the bands hit maker.No. One Vision was Roger's song - that others (Freddie with lyrics) helped with. Go back and listen to Magic Years - Roger even says (jokingly) "that rotter Freddie, change my lyrics" Freddie wrote lots of early UK (and european/japan) hits, but not worldwide. Even his epic Bo Rhap was not a US no1 first time around. Like I said, Roger probably wrote as many worldwide hits as Freddie. Radio Ga Ga / AKOM / One Vision / Innuendo / These Are The Days / Heaven For Everyone - huge worldwide 80/90s hits. no matter who you choose to "remember it" Roger did the heavy lifting in the 80s, with John helping out. Brian wrote a bit too, Freddie was more or less disinterested in creating music - until he found out he was dying...then he decided to leave some more stuff to be remembered by. |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 22:45 |
I wouldn't be surprised if Freddie changed lyrics and compositions on a lot of songs that were originally conceived as concepts by the other three. For example Freddie says somewhere that Roger came up with the ideas for AKOM and then pissed off somewhere and it was Freddie who arranged it into that poppy radio friendly tune, which actually ended up very different from the way Roger had initially conceived it. |
| brENsKi 25.03.2020 22:47 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Freddie changed lyrics and compositions on a lot of songs that were originally conceived as concepts by the other three. For example Freddie says somewhere that Roger came up with the ideas for AKOM and then pissed off somewhere and it was Freddie who arranged it into that poppy radio friendly tune, which actually ended up very different from the way Roger had initially conceived it.and no one changed any of his songs? ridiculous. it was a four-man team with equal say on everything. but it doesn't remove the fact of who actually wrote which songs and whose ideas they were. Freddie of most of the 80s - was suffering a self-induced writer's block...mainly brought on by drinking, coke abuse and spending all his energy on shagging everything that moved. yep, Freddie's masterpieces of that period? KPTOW, MOTP and a solos LP - almost half of which is utterly forgettable. poor argument. because on that basis, Brian should have a co-write for Bo Rhap and KQ. After all, he did compose those incredible guitar solos. |
| Nathan H 25.03.2020 22:49 |
If Queen were doing this for the money then how come they didn't tour with someone else immediately after John's retirement and before their involvement with Paul Rodgers - they did plenty of WWRY performances and sang with other singers. They obviously didn't want to tour even though they could've. Also, Q+PR ended when it was still successful in Europe - they could've done more tours with PR but they chose not to. If they were really doing it for the money then they would've put aside their differences and continue playing. Queen didn't do a prope full-length tour with Adam Lambert until 2014 - five years after their first performance together at American Idol. If they really wanted money then they would've got AL to do a tour with them sooner but they let him do his solo stuff first. Brian is often telling the truth with his input, some here just don't like the idea of the idea of the other members of Queen getting any glory. At the end of the day, Queen were a group and it seems that supposedly fans of Queen (some on here seem to purely be Freddie fans) hate the idea of all four members helping each other on their songs. Freddie would've left Queen if he didn't like his band mates suggesting and helping him write songs. Also, in some interviews Brian has said he wrote the guitar solo for Boehmian Rhapsody while in others Brian has said they Freddie wrote the guitar solo on Killer Queen. It just seems that some fans find a point and then reshare it without a context which often has a different conclusion than what the original said. |
| Nathan H 25.03.2020 22:52 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Freddie changed lyrics and compositions on a lot of songs that were originally conceived as concepts by the other three. For example Freddie says somewhere that Roger came up with the ideas for AKOM and then pissed off somewhere and it was Freddie who arranged it into that poppy radio friendly tune, which actually ended up very different from the way Roger had initially conceived it.The original version of AKOM was already recorded before Freddie did his "magic". His effort was essentially a remix so with songwriting credits he didn't create or write the song. They are plenty of remixes of songs by other people but the remixer rarely ever gets a credit especially if the original was already recorded and released. |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 22:56 |
It was already recorded? With vocals by whom? The vocals and the feel of the sing is the magic. |
| Holly2003 25.03.2020 23:15 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: It was already recorded? With vocals by whom?Have you been a Queen fan for long? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASw32qKppMw |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 23:25 |
This is a link to a finished version of the song with vocals by Freddie. I said the vocals and the feel of the song is the magic, as the lyrics are pretty mediocre, and you link me to a version of the song with vocals by Freddie WTF? |
| Holly2003 25.03.2020 23:35 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: This is a link to a finished version of the song with vocals by Freddie. I said the vocals and the feel of the song is the magic, as the lyrics are pretty mediocre, and you link me to a version of the song with vocals by Freddie WTF?So you didn't know of the Highlander version of the song i.e. the original? WTF indeed. |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 23:40 |
How the fact did you come to the conclusion that I didn't know about the highlander version of AKOM? It's on the bonus disc of the 2011 remaster which, I own. I responded to the claim that the song was already recorded and Freddie came in and effectively remixed it, which is demonstrably not true. I honestly feel like I'm trapped in some strange alternate reality where the corona virus is making everybody even stupider than before. |
| Holly2003 25.03.2020 23:44 |
You asked: "It was already recorded? With vocals by whom?" I answered because you clearly didn't know the the Highlander version was the first recording. Vocals are by Fred btw, in case you don't know that either. ps it's a pretty stupid thing to say that corona virus makes people stupider. Stupid must be a pre-existing condition for you. |
| AlbaNo1 25.03.2020 23:54 |
Robert Plant knocks out album after album, Roger Daltrey did a great album with Wilko Johnson, Bryan Ferry has released 6 or 7 albums in the last 30 years. There isn’t a Led Zeppelin biopic or musical. Or Roxy Music. Or Pink Floyd. Without doubt the output of classic bands decreases from their peak. But how can anyone say Brian’s output has not been disappointing. Rogers has been ok. He always did stuff knowing it wouldn’t sell big. Brian gave it a go in the 90s then completely gave up as a creative artist. Ian Hunter has done loads of albums. But all the forum establishment did was attack Gerry for not knowing Mott the Hoople. Everyone sidestepped the fact that Hunter has said the film “ wasn’t Fred”. The fact is on this forum people argue against the person not the post. Nobody has ever said Brian doesn’t have a right to choose but they have expressed a disappointment in what he has chosen. |
| Freddie Jupiter 25.03.2020 23:56 |
But it's pointless to say that it was already recorded if the recording has Freddie on vocals, since my claim was that it was Freddie vocals, feel and expression that is the magic. The only way it would make sense to say that it was already recorded iwould be if there is an earlier version done in pretty much this form and done completely without Freddie and with Roger on vocals. Now go away and quit wasting my time. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 00:02 |
Gerry was attacked for not knowing Mott the hoople? That's very similar to me being attacked for allegedly not knowing that there is highlander version of AKOM, as if forgot to listen to the bonus disc that came with my 2011 remaster of the album and which I paid extra for. Goes to show how fucking ridiculous some people are. No attempt to learn and discover the truth. Confuse, obfuscate and win arguments is the name of the game it seems. |
| AlbaNo1 26.03.2020 00:05 |
Let’s just say , from what clips we see of Queen in the studio Freddie does appear to be dominant but also a team player. If there was something of value they all contributed. And as for magnifying the contribution of Brian to the guitar solo in Bo Rhap, bloody hell, that’s also straight out the film . |
| Saint Jiub 26.03.2020 00:27 |
brENsKi wrote: no matter who you choose to "remember it" Roger did the heavy lifting in the 80s,^ This |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 01:06 |
I think Roger had a better feel for what would make a hit song than Brian. I also sense that Freddie was getting very jaded with queen and with pop music in general in the early to mid eighties. He wanted to do opera, classical, and stuff like that. |
| borap13 26.03.2020 01:50 |
You people are Queen fans? This is stupid. Grow the hell up. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 02:09 |
Borap13, yes we are fans, not blind worshipers. There is a difference, which you, being a blind worshiper, obviously have great difficulty distinguishing. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 06:49 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:I think Roger had a better feel for what would make a hit song than Brian. I also sense that Freddie was getting very jaded with queen and with pop music in general in the early to mid eighties. He wanted to do opera, classical, and stuff like that.Roger wrote almost half of big hits from 84-91. We all know what Freddie wanted to do: drink, drugs, sex, parties...which is why his writing from 82-86 reflected this. His music "grew up" classical etc - once he found out he was on "borrowed time", and decided he wanted to leave the world something with quality from that period. AlbaNo1 wrote:And as for magnifying the contribution of Brian to the guitar solo in Bo Rhap, bloody hell, that’s also straight out the film .you do realise my Bo Rhap comment was sarcasm directed at FJ's writing credit claim? Freddie Jupiter wrote:This is a link to a finished version of the song with vocals by Freddie. I said the vocals and the feel of the song is the magic, as the lyrics are pretty mediocre, and you link me to a version of the song with vocals by Freddie WTF?so in essence, you're now shifting your ever moving goalposts onto an entirely different strip of grass...in another town. you could say this about EVERY great song ever written. let's apply your rule: >> Elvis now gets a writing credit for every song he sung on? - he never actually wrote anything. >> Beatles songwriting credits are now divvied up according to who sang lead >> ALL Led Zep songs were written by Plant >> ALL Rush songs were written by Geddy Lee >> ALL ABBA songs were written by Anni-Fridd and Agnetha what utter nonsense. the writer/concept creator IS the writer - regardless of who tweaked what. you're just here to argue the toss for the sake of it. get grip of reality, and grow up. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 07:25 |
Brenski, if you have a point to make, make it, instead of posting these dog's breakfast posts that seem to be saying five seemingly contradictory things all at once. Maybe break it up into individual posts, making sure that each post makes one single point as clearly and concisely as possible. Give it a shot. |
| Holly2003 26.03.2020 07:43 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: But it's pointless to say that it was already recorded if the recording has Freddie on vocals, since my claim was that it was Freddie vocals, feel and expression that is the magic. The only way it would make sense to say that it was already recorded iwould be if there is an earlier version done in pretty much this form and done completely without Freddie and with Roger on vocals.That's not what you asked. It's there for all to see. Freddie Jupiter wrote: Now go away and quit wasting my time.No. It's amazing that someone like you, who is all over the forum telling us what to think, how Brian thinks, how Fred thinks, etc., has so little basic knowledge of Queen. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 07:46 |
@Holly, you've completely lost me now. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Also, how the fuck did you come to the conclusion that I lack knowledge about queen. You strike me as a very intellectually dishonest person, and I have zero patience for intellectual dishonesty. |
| Holly2003 26.03.2020 07:51 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: @Holly, you've completely lost me now. I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Also, how the fuck did you come to the conclusion that I lack knowledge about queen. You strike me as a very intellectually dishonest person, and I have zero patience for intellectual dishonesty.Since you are a fake account -- someone else's 2nd or 3rd personality on the forum -- your fictional characteristics are of no interest to me. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 08:00 |
You couldn't be more wrong. I'm nobody else's fake account. Clearly you don't know shit, so stop pretending that you do. |
| Holly2003 26.03.2020 08:07 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: You couldn't be more wrong. I'm nobody else's fake account. Clearly you don't know shit, so stop pretending that you do.That's very rude. You should make your fictional character more polite. And give him/her more Queen knowledge so you don't look so foolish. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 08:22 |
You're the one who's rude. First you accuse me of having a 2nd or 3rd account, which is not the case. And secondly you try to obfuscate the argument by talking about accounts. Either respond to the argument in hand or go away, instead of bringing in some bullshit about accounts. Even if this were my millionth account it would have zero relevance to the discussion in this thread. |
| Holly2003 26.03.2020 08:46 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: You're the one who's rude. First you accuse me of having a 2nd or 3rd account, which is not the case. And secondly you try to obfuscate the argument by talking about accounts. Either respond to the argument in hand or go away, instead of bringing in some bullshit about accounts. Even if this were my millionth account it would have zero relevance to the discussion in this thread.We've already settled the 'argument': you didn't know about the original Highlander version of AKOM. Everything after that is you trying to save face. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 08:50 |
No I didn't. Such deep, occult secrets, like AKOM highlander version, are only available to the chosen few, such as yourself, Honestly, are you intellectually deficient or something? Do we have to have the discussion we had two pages ago all over again? |
| Holly2003 26.03.2020 09:05 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: No I didn't. Such deep, occult secrets, like AKOM highlander version, are only available to the chosen few, such as yourself,It's basic knowledge for a Queen fan so why did you fail so miserably? Freddie Jupiter wrote: Honestly, are you intellectually deficient or something? Do we have to have the discussion we had two pages ago all over again?There's that rudeness again. Try something more imaginative. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 09:12 |
I didn't fail miserably. You're the one who failed miserably by posting a link to a version of the song that was completely irrelevant to the discussion. Next time, before you post something, take the time to understand what the discussion is about, and what the argument is, before you make an ass of yourself. |
| Holly2003 26.03.2020 09:36 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: I didn't fail miserably. You're the one who failed miserably by posting a link to a version of the song that was completely irrelevant to the discussion. Next time, before you post something, take the time to understand what the discussion is about, and what the argument is, before you make an ass of yourself.You're now claiming again that you didn't say what you clearly did say. I would call that intellectually dishonest. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 09:42 |
Holly, just stop it already. It's bad enough that you fucked up by posting a link to a song that was irrelevant to the discussion because you didn't understand the argument. And then you made it worse by trying to deflect from it by making the insane claim that I didn't know about AKOM highlander version. It doesn't get much more idiotic than that and is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty. |
| Holly2003 26.03.2020 09:52 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: Holly, just stop it already. It's bad enough that you fucked up by posting a link to a song that was irrelevant to the discussion because you didn't understand the argument. And then you made it worse by trying to deflect from it by making the insane claim that I didn't know about AKOM highlander version. It doesn't get much more idiotic than that and is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty.You could've just admitted you were wrong and no one would care but obviously your aggressive ego won't let you do that. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 10:07 |
So I was wrong, or I didn't know about the highlander version of AKOM? Which one is it? Also what was I wrong about? I'm genuinely confused now, and I get the feeling that even you managed to confuse yourself and you no longer know what you are on about. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 11:09 |
Holly Willoughby is having another one of her dizzy blonde moments! You can take her but god you dare not leave her ! lol |
| Holly2003 26.03.2020 11:50 |
Look who has turned up! Mr multiple accounts! Who would have guessed lol |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 12:03 |
Just the one account but there again you accuse everyone of having multiple accounts even Freddie Jupitus! |
| thomasquinn 32989 26.03.2020 12:06 |
The fact that "Freddie Jupiter" logs out just before you log in, and vice versa, is just a very weird coincidence, I'm sure... |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 12:07 |
Put your mind back in the gutter Thomas the cat |
| thomasquinn 32989 26.03.2020 12:20 |
Wow, that's one quality comeback, I'm totally impressed. That, by the way, was sarcasm, gerry. |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 13:34 |
Thomasquinn Sarcasm is your middle name going by your past posts. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 13:46 |
Enigma wrote:Just the one account but there again you accuse everyone of having multiple accounts even Freddie Jupitus!c'mon Gerry. you know that's not true. be honest here: for the record: at least EIGHT accounts with no continuity (ie removed/deleted) and the current account - that makes NINE - which is actually 8 more than the "just one" you claim. CURRENT USERNAME: rurple DELETED/REMOVED ACCOUNTS: blue purple green blue orange purple blue green RANDOM NAME CHANGES: purple red orange purple red purple red purple red green orange blue orange purple red orange purple red green blue orange blue red |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 15:58 |
i meant i do not operate with multiple user names on this site . in the past one name at a time! |
| PAPA EMERITUS VI 26.03.2020 16:10 |
The real reasons: 1. MONEY MONEY MONEY 2. MONEY MONEY MONEY 3. MONEY MONEY MONEY 4. MONEY MONEY MONEY 5. MONEY MONEY MONEY 6. So Roger can have young pussies to eat 7. So old tart Brian can cry like a baby and hit a cameraman with a mobile Phone in his hand 8. MONEY MONEY MONEY 9. MONEY MONEY MONEY 10. MONEY MONEY MONEY |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 16:22 |
Enigma wrote: i meant i do not operate with multiple user names on this site . in the past one name at a time!you say that like changing your names with the weather is somehow a good thing? |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 16:44 |
Well it is good to keep on changing, keeps you on your toes ! |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 16:47 |
Enigma wrote:Well it is good to keep on changing, keeps you on your toes !it really doesn't. all of your posts just change names - so there's "on our toes" about it. unless you're an international spy, all it does is render the account holder with a "prospective sociopath" label |
| Deaky. 26.03.2020 18:22 |
Only you could be so suspicious been an ex prison spy! |
| Vocal harmony 26.03.2020 19:17 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: They can't be as successful without Freddie. . . .As a live band they can and are. |
| brENsKi 26.03.2020 19:27 |
Enigma wrote:Only you could be so suspicious been an ex prison spy!what are you talking about? working in prisons requires carrying ID - hardly the basis for any type of career as a spy, you dullard. each and every single one of your multiple personalities/usernames - desperately need help. |
| Freddie Jupiter 26.03.2020 21:07 |
Thomasquinn@ I didn't know you were spying on me. I must admit I feel somewhat uneasy being spied on by a Marxist. Although you are a pretty shitty spy, given the fact that I never log out -- ever. The website logs me out automatically and then I have log back in, but it if didn't log me out automatically I would never even bother to log out in the first place. |
| Freddie Jupiter 27.03.2020 07:53 |
Enigma asked: what is the last decent song Brian wrote for queen? I've given it a lot of thought and I'm tempted to to say Now I'm Here, although a huge amount of appeal in that song comes from Freddus' vocal expression and the way he changes the nuance, texture and colour through the various passages as the song progresses. Headlong is decent too, I guess. |
| brENsKi 27.03.2020 11:51 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:Enigma asked: what is the last decent song Brian wrote for queen? I've given it a lot of thought and I'm tempted to to say Now I'm Here, although a huge amount of appeal in that song comes from Freddus' vocal expression and the way he changes the nuance, texture and colour through the various passages as the song progresses. Headlong is decent too, I guess.jeez. you just don't like Brian May at all - do you? you contradict yourself by saying 1991 (headlong) after starting out with 1974 (NIH)...you make yourself look foolish. FYI - if you think that Good Company Save Me White Man it's Late Scandal I Want It All I Cant Live With You and Show must Go On are not decent tunes, then you either have shit for eardrums or you just don't know good music. probably a huge slice of both - melded with your Brian-Hate. |
| Freddie Jupiter 27.03.2020 21:02 |
I think they're all great songs, but Now I'm Here is the best of the lot. but that's just me. Also these accusations of Brian-hate have to stop. I'm not out to hate Brian. As I've explained it's his behaviour that I think is disgusting, and he did it all to himself. |
| Freddie Jupiter 27.03.2020 21:12 |
Actually I really loathe "Good Company", by far the worst song on Opera and among the worst in the entire queen catalogue. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 07:29 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:Actually I really loathe "Good Company", by far the worst song on Opera and among the worst in the entire queen catalogue.this isn't about whether "you like something" - you said "decent tunes". regardless of whether you like it (and it's not one i like much either) - it's an incredibly good song...which makes it very high up on any "decent" list. |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 07:43 |
Is there some objective standard by which a tune is judged decent? All I know is whether I like it or not. Obviously if I don't like it I don't think it's decent. |
| fruhzs 28.03.2020 07:47 |
Staying on the more calmed down part of the topic : ), I would say that thinking on hits in different parts of the globe, not only in America, “I want to Break Free” is as big of a hit as AKOM, if not bigger, looking back on how it grew so many years later. So John is also responsible for that one. Also, trough the years “Don’t Stop me Now” became a hot song for sure, and here in South America the live version of “Love of My Life” was a big hit trough all the 80’s and is still a big hit. Some of Freddie solo work can be considered hits in some countries as well, to some extent, like “Barcelona” , “I was Born to Love you” and “Living on my own”. Even “How can I go on” was somewhat Big here in the late 80’s. Brian was maybe the one with less commercial impactful songs (in number of hit songs) for mainstream. Even though he wrote some great tunes, some of my favorites. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 09:25 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: Is there some objective standard by which a tune is judged decent? All I know is whether I like it or not. Obviously if I don't like it I don't think it's decent.decent: confirming to generally accepted standards. so it's not about single opinion - it's about consensus. |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 09:29 |
And just what are these generally accepted standards? Also why should I give a shit about some consensus, if one even exists? |
| rockchic65 28.03.2020 09:53 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: And just what are these generally accepted standards? Also why should I give a shit about some consensus, if one even exists?All music is deemed good or bad by each individual according to whether they like it or not but technically there are criteria that make a song decent. There's plenty classical music I'm not a fan of but I'd be daft to claim they aren't decent compositions when by any technical standard they are masterpieces. Won't make me want to listen to them but that's just personal taste. |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 09:58 |
All well and good, but you still haven't specified these so called accepted standards. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 10:09 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:All well and good, but you still haven't specified these so called accepted standards.right now? i'd say if you dismiss a song as not being decent, then in all likelihood, said song has an excellent chance of being much better than decent. at this point in time - in this forum, you and your opinions are fast becoming the antithesis of anything worthwhile. |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 10:13 |
So instead of responding to my question you've decided to resort to a personal attack. Is that your so called worthwhile response? |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 10:30 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:So instead of responding to my question you've decided to resort to a personal attack. Is that your so called worthwhile response?if you choose to take it as a personal attack, the so be it. perhaps you wouldn't feel it was personal, it you started making sensible comments. i'll explain: it really isn't a personal attack. It's an observation of the comments you make. To suggest the last decent song May wrote was Now I'm Here - even crediting a huge chunk of that to Freddie (weird) and then (begrudgingly) say Headlong was "decent too - I guess", is dismissing 17 years of the man's song-writing. He didn't survive 20 years in a huge rock band by contributing nothing of any worth. Even you must see that is a ridiculous thing to claim? |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 10:38 |
So now I have to answer to the mighty Brenski because my opinion of Brian's writing doesn't confirm to mighty Brenski's. Fuck off! |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 10:46 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:So now I have to answer to the mighty Brenski because my opinion of Brian's writing doesn't confirm to mighty Brenski's. Fuck off!and there we have it: welcome back Gerry of old. you've become aggressive, because you really never had a lucid argument to begin with. and no, you don't have to answer to anyone, but answering to logic - once in a while might be a better route for you to take. it's nothing to do with agreeing with me. name one other band member who survived in a major rock band for 17 years while contributing below-decent songwriting to successful LPs. regardless of your personal opinion - it's not fact. it can't be. no band in their right mind would collective say "it's okay, we'll keep including 4 (or more of your songs) on every LP, yeah we know they're not very good, but that's ok fella" it's just a preposterous notion, and you know it |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 10:47 |
I'm nit Gerry, you dimwit, no matter how much you want me to be. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 10:52 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:So now I have to answer to the mighty Brenski because my opinion of Brian's writing doesn't confirm to mighty Brenski's. Fuck off! Freddie Jupiter wrote:I'm nit Gerry, you dimwit, no matter how much you want me to be.these two posts: poor grammar, punctuation, a spelling error, use of "mighty Brenski" and resorting to swearing and focusing on an unrelated point rather than responding to valid points made - all Classic Gerry Trademarks. you may well not want to be Gerry, but it appears you're stuck with him as your dominant alter ego. |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 10:55 |
The grammar is perfect and there are no spelling mistakes. There is one typo and that's it. It's not my fault that you're too stupid to recognise good grammar when you see it. Either prove that I'm Gerry or STFU. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 10:56 |
dbl post |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 10:57 |
Ok one typo and "conform" got changed to "confirm" by autocorrect. Besides my writing is in another level compared to your confused, inarticulate meanderings. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 10:59 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:Ok one typo and "conform" got changed to "confirm" by autocorrect. Besides my writing is in another level compared to your confused, inarticulate meanderings.laughable. truly laughable. Freddie Jupiter wrote:Either prove that I'm Gerry or STFU.i don't have to prove anything while you continue to behave exactly like him, many will assume you are Gerry. they may also be correct in doing so. |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 11:01 |
Everybody will eventually act like him after enduring the frustrations of reading your confused and convoluted meanderings for any extended period of time. Don't act surprised. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 11:11 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:Everybody will eventually act like him after enduring the frustrations of reading your confused and convoluted meanderings for any extended period of time. Don't act surprised.no. only Gerry will act like Gerry. won't you? |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 11:34 |
I don't act like Gerry and I don't write like Gerry, and that's because I'm not Gerry. I honestly don't know how to get that through your thick skull. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 12:04 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:I don't act like Gerry and I don't write like Gerry, and that's because I'm not Gerry. I honestly don't know how to get that through your thick skull.must be a lot of "thick skulls" around here. i'm not the first (by any means) and i certainly won't be the last to call you Gerry. to paraphrase. If it looks like a Gerry, swims like a Gerry, and quacks like a Gerry, then it probably is a Gerry. |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 21:11 |
If it looks like an idiot, if it writes like an idiot, and if it makes idiotic accusations it's probably an idiot. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 21:59 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote: If it looks like an idiot, if it writes like an idiot, and if it makes idiotic accusations it's probably an idiot.that's incredibly weak - even by your own p***-poor standards, Gerry. |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 22:18 |
It wasn't supposed to be strong. It was supposed to be true. Truth is very important to me. Whereas you prefer the world of illusion, and feel-good confirmations from other similarly biased individuals. |
| brENsKi 28.03.2020 22:21 |
Freddie Jupiter wrote:It wasn't supposed to be strong. It was supposed to be true. .well - at least you met the first target. sad that you failed miserably on the second.. |
| Freddie Jupiter 28.03.2020 22:50 |
How would you know whether I failed, given that that you're an idiot whose only defence and get out of jail card is to accuse me of being gerry? If you had half a brain cell you would see that the way I express myself and my general style of writing is very differnt from Gerry's. I will confess though, to sometimes making use of gerry's style to mock your stupidity. |
| brENsKi 29.03.2020 09:20 |
well, it's all a little strange. at the same time that you appear here with your completely "one and only, never had any other accounts ever" username three characters disappear (the last one being banned): Runner_70, Aristide1, Fred46 (a definitely Gerry acct) so chances are you could very well be any of the above. |
| Freddie Jupiter 29.03.2020 10:39 |
This is not what this topic is about. If you want to accuse people of being Gerry I have opened a thread especially for that purpose. Quit clogging threads with your insane obsession with Gerry. |