QueenZone discussion #1585621

philip storey wrote: No Queen Adam Lambert Live Releases

SweetCaroline wrote: I have some bootleg copies of some of their previous shows and there are full concert YouTube videos on the internet from various fans.

CM wrote: The best part of the every Q+AL show is the set of their new studio album being finally performed live. Lambert voice in their album is great with Brian and Roger on backing vocals, right, but what a blast is getting most of their new songs played live, so we will getting a new DVD release with every new album they release too. Queen used to get a new studio record out in two or three years time so the new deal with Lambert to get a new record released every four years is great... Brian and Roger feel lucky to have Adam, so they dont want to waste their time with boring tours when they can use their talent to create new music. The way Ringo Starr or Robert Plant always do. ...and then we remember Queen is just an endless greatest hits jukebox. Congrats Brian. Queen is the best dead band alive in the world.

SweetCaroline wrote: I have some bootleg copies of some of their previous shows and there are full concert YouTube videos on the internet from various fans.

ST17 wrote: It is obvious why Brian & Roger will not record with Adam, it is because they know it will be a flop and going by Adam's solo career that is a complete car crash. For gods sake do not record with the cock twat its bad enough seeing Queen abuse there rock status with this screeching banshee on stage.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: I have some bootleg copies of some of their previous shows and there are full concert YouTube videos on the internet from various fans.

What do you need those for? You have the future shows. Remember when you said people should listen to current QAL because Freddie isn’t around anymore? So why are you listening to old QAL concerts when you’ve got the current and future performances?

Secretfantasy wrote: And what Queen did to Ghost Town! Amazing!

runner_70 wrote:

Secretfantasy wrote: And what Queen did to Ghost Town! Amazing!

Ghost Town was released until 1991? Because Queen could have done something with it then. They stopped existing due to the death of their singer.

philip storey wrote: Sweet Caroline can we get something straight and I would like a honest answer please. Do you think Queen were a better band with Freddie Mercury from 1972 until 1991 or do you think that the currant line up with Queen+Adam Lambert are better than they were with Freddie Mercury and could you give your reasons thanks.

If you've got nothing positive to say about Queen in the 21st century .

runner_70 wrote:

If you've got nothing positive to say about Queen in the 21st century .

I am sorry to break it to you but there is no Queen in the 21st century only some cover combo using the name plus a "+" behind it to make people believe this is the real deal. Queen stopped existing on Nov 24th 1991.

Saint Jiub wrote: Pepsi commercial, Robbie Williams, the musical, QAL ... all boring IMHO

runner_70 wrote: Ghost Town was released until 1991? Because Queen could have done something with it then. They stopped existing due to the death of their singer. How can they do something with it?

Young Music Fan wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

If you've got nothing positive to say about Queen in the 21st century .

I am sorry to break it to you but there is no Queen in the 21st century only some cover combo using the name plus a "+" behind it to make people believe this is the real deal. Queen stopped existing on Nov 24th 1991.

They fucking haven't, find one document to say that it's ended. If you want to have it ended then tough luck - it's one thing Freddie won't've wanted to happen. Don't waste where the majority see Queen as still exisiting to this day. You come across as only liking Freddie - he was in a group where he wanted all four members to be treated the same. So, you saying a comment like that is not only being disrespectful to Brian and Roger, but to Freddie - if he didn't want to be in a group then he would've been on his own and he didn't like that.

Young Music Fan wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

If you've got nothing positive to say about Queen in the 21st century .

I am sorry to break it to you but there is no Queen in the 21st century only some cover combo using the name plus a "+" behind it to make people believe this is the real deal. Queen stopped existing on Nov 24th 1991.

They fucking haven't, find one document to say that it's ended. If you want to have it ended then tough luck - it's one thing Freddie won't've wanted to happen. Don't waste where the majority see Queen as still exisiting to this day. You come across as only liking Freddie - he was in a group where he wanted all four members to be treated the same. So, you saying a comment like that is not only being disrespectful to Brian and Roger, but to Freddie - if he didn't want to be in a group then he would've been on his own and he didn't like that.

Young Music Fan wrote:

Saint Jiub wrote: Pepsi commercial, Robbie Williams, the musical, QAL ... all boring IMHO

Well that's a shame for you. Millions of others don't find them boring. I think Freddie would've wanted his music to be seen on a wide scale and I think with things like this, it's working.

runner_70 wrote: Maylor have become modern grave robbers. Insulting Freddie but selling their crap on his back. They should be ashamed of themselves. Kudos to John. The only alive Queen member with dignity

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Young Music Fan wrote:

Saint Jiub wrote: Pepsi commercial, Robbie Williams, the musical, QAL ... all boring IMHO

Well that's a shame for you. Millions of others don't find them boring. I think Freddie would've wanted his music to be seen on a wide scale and I think with things like this, it's working.

The Pepsi advert had alot of hype about it. Honestly to me that is one of the worst things Brian and Roger were ever involved with since 1991. I think that was tacky as heck, one of those wtf were they thinking about. The Queen musical, I've never attended it live, but I do know it turned many people into Queen fans. Robbie was nothing special at all. The Pepsi ad, Robbie, was just thankfully one offs. The musical, I'm going to be honest, I never expected that to be as big as it was. Sometimes I have to eat my hat ;-)

ST17 wrote:@Young Music Fan : Runner70 is correct in that Queen do not really exist because Queen was a complete unit of four men, two are missing and as Roger Taylor admitted they are not Queen because today Queen is only a brand name to sell tickets.

ST17 wrote:They may still call themselves Queen but the spirit and ambience of the band is gone! Same for other bands that do that like Dave Hill's "Slade" not the same. Status Quo ( now with only "Francis Rossi" and Queen (with only Brian May & Roger Taylor) the magic and spirit has died.

ST17 wrote: They may still call themselves Queen but the spirit and ambience of the band is gone! Same for other bands that do that like Dave Hill's "Slade" not the same. Status Quo ( now with only "Francis Rossi" and Queen (with only Brian May & Roger Taylor) the magic and spirit has died.

runner_70 wrote:With the difference that most of those mentioned are still recording artists who won't do endless greatest Hits tourings which are completely pointless. Freddie would have hated being a nostalgia act. Nonetheless they promote their crap with "Freddie would have loved it". He would not. They just milk the cashcow nothing else. And noone replaces the most iconic frontman ever with a lousy second rate AI loser. Noone!!!!!

SweetCaroline wrote:Wow, I think there are thousands of people who would argue that the magic and spirit of Queen music has NOT died and is stronger than ever!

ST17 wrote:Sure it is there right to continue but that does not make it right! So the shows are sell outs mainly because of Brian & Roger not Adam.

brENsKi wrote:

ST17 wrote:Sure it is there right to continue but that does not make it right! So the shows are sell outs mainly because of Brian & Roger not Adam.

well it does make it right. because it's their right to do so. you may disagree, but you don't have have a "dog in the fight" - their continuing doesn't affect you any more than it should anyone else not attending the gigs. perhaps it's time to just let it go, it won;t help you arguing over something you have no control over. i would agree with you on your closing statement - you may have a point. but we'll never know that to be a fact - not unless you ask every single concert-goer who they were there to see.

runner_70 wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

ST17 wrote:Sure it is there right to continue but that does not make it right! So the shows are sell outs mainly because of Brian & Roger not Adam.

well it does make it right. because it's their right to do so. you may disagree, but you don't have have a "dog in the fight" - their continuing doesn't affect you any more than it should anyone else not attending the gigs. perhaps it's time to just let it go, it won;t help you arguing over something you have no control over. i would agree with you on your closing statement - you may have a point. but we'll never know that to be a fact - not unless you ask every single concert-goer who they were there to see.

Cmon you really think there are pple there wanting to see Lamebird in the first place when there are ZERO AL songs in the set?????

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

ST17 wrote:Sure it is there right to continue but that does not make it right! So the shows are sell outs mainly because of Brian & Roger not Adam.

well it does make it right. because it's their right to do so. you may disagree, but you don't have have a "dog in the fight" - their continuing doesn't affect you any more than it should anyone else not attending the gigs. perhaps it's time to just let it go, it won;t help you arguing over something you have no control over. i would agree with you on your closing statement - you may have a point. but we'll never know that to be a fact - not unless you ask every single concert-goer who they were there to see.

Cmon you really think there are pple there wanting to see Lamebird in the first place when there are ZERO AL songs in the set?????

Plenty of Adam's fans go to the shows regardless of whether his songs are included. As to Queen fans there are plenty who like what he does, you've argued with a few on facebook and you know they've seen Freddie live, there's plenty on twitter who comment after the shows that they've now become fans of Adam as well, some even saying they'd love to see him solo and some who don't even check out his solo stuff but still rave about him with Brian & Roger. Of course there's others who do go just for Brian & Roger and probably would regardless who was singing and some go even though they don't particularly like Adam's voice. The result is there's not just one type of fan.

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

ST17 wrote:Sure it is there right to continue but that does not make it right! So the shows are sell outs mainly because of Brian & Roger not Adam.

well it does make it right. because it's their right to do so. you may disagree, but you don't have have a "dog in the fight" - their continuing doesn't affect you any more than it should anyone else not attending the gigs. perhaps it's time to just let it go, it won;t help you arguing over something you have no control over. i would agree with you on your closing statement - you may have a point. but we'll never know that to be a fact - not unless you ask every single concert-goer who they were there to see.

Cmon you really think there are pple there wanting to see Lamebird in the first place when there are ZERO AL songs in the set?????

Plenty of Adam's fans go to the shows regardless of whether his songs are included. As to Queen fans there are plenty who like what he does, you've argued with a few on facebook and you know they've seen Freddie live, there's plenty on twitter who comment after the shows that they've now become fans of Adam as well, some even saying they'd love to see him solo and some who don't even check out his solo stuff but still rave about him with Brian & Roger. Of course there's others who do go just for Brian & Roger and probably would regardless who was singing and some go even though they don't particularly like Adam's voice. The result is there's not just one type of fan.

SweetCaroline wrote: Before I get jumped on, it’s I Can’t Get No Satisfaction! Freddie is an original and one of Adam’s idols, along with Michael, David Bowie, Elvis and even Madonna. It is taking awhile but I think Adam is leaving his mark with his creative interpretations of both existing and new music.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Those Queen fans you speak of who has turned into AL fans, still hasn't made AL to be able to sell or even download millions of his solo music. I don't think many AL fans have turned into Queen fans as you might think. Examples thr two main Glamberts here who can barely post about Freddie and Queen, while posting on Queen boards.

runner_70 wrote: "others" who just go for Brian and Roger......How delusional can you get????

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Those Queen fans you speak of who has turned into AL fans, still hasn't made AL to be able to sell or even download millions of his solo music. I don't think many AL fans have turned into Queen fans as you might think. Examples thr two main Glamberts here who can barely post about Freddie and Queen, while posting on Queen boards.

I hardly think two people on a Queenzone forum is representative of everyone out there and there are some of Adam's fans who are now Queen fans but it's irrelevant anyway, they don't have to become Queen fans, it's not essential. I've seen plenty comments on Twitter after the shows about Adam, not all will check him out solo and of those that do his music is nothing like Queen so maybe they don't like it enough to buy/download it who knows, but there are definitely lots who go for Brian & Roger and come away fans of Adam even if it's only as the singer of QAL.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Snort. Those two people think I and so eine else here represents Queen fans, funny enough. Sure, Queen fans have wanted to check AL's music out. I don't think many of them turn into mega AL fans. I have quite a few of Queen fans on my facebook, and not one of them have turned into s mega AL fan. One came close, but she is ot even an AL fan these days. AL hss said some of his latest music was done hoping to catch Queen fans ears...I think he went the wrong way about it. That statement he made about that made it seem he wants to piggy back of Queen's sucess, and one of the reasons I say he's riding on coattails.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Snort. Those two people think I and so eine else here represents Queen fans, funny enough. Sure, Queen fans have wanted to check AL's music out. I don't think many of them turn into mega AL fans. I have quite a few of Queen fans on my facebook, and not one of them have turned into s mega AL fan. One came close, but she is ot even an AL fan these days. AL hss said some of his latest music was done hoping to catch Queen fans ears...I think he went the wrong way about it. That statement he made about that made it seem he wants to piggy back of Queen's sucess, and one of the reasons I say he's riding on coattails.

I really couldn't care less who likes his music and who doesn't I was simply pointing out there are plenty Queen fans who have seen him QAL and rate him as a singer, that has zero to do with his own music. So what if he hopes some Queen fans like his own music, he's been with them for over seven years now so if some fans check him out (and some definitely do) and like what they hear all well and good, those that don't fine as well, he's not holding a gun to anyone's head, they have free will.

Iron Butterfly wrote: My point is, from what I've seen and read those Queen fans who check him out haven't made his music sell better. He is unable to keep any of his momentum going, mainly because he has always gone back singing with Brian and Roger...and even that hasn't helped him as maybe he hoped. From this Queen fan, I will say one of his songs is absolutely very good, great even, but that doesn't mean I like the two songs that followed. They were so weak, I'd be surprised if he got new fans by those 2 songs.

SweetCaroline wrote: Maybe the half-time show for Super Bowl LV in 2021? link

SweetCaroline wrote: Maybe the half-time show for Super Bowl LV in 2021? link

MisterCosmicc wrote: The majority of those watching won’t be interested in Lambert at all... most would be put off.

MisterCosmicc wrote: What an attention seeker. I very much doubt Freddie would have had an interest in Adam.

MisterCosmicc wrote: What an attention seeker. I very much doubt Freddie would have had an interest in Adam. Attention seeking with terrible fashion.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Maybe the half-time show for Super Bowl LV in 2021? link

The majority of those watching won’t be interested in Lambert at all... most would be put off.

runner_70 wrote: The solo tour wont happen and his album will bomb like his EP.

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: The solo tour wont happen and his album will bomb like his EP.

Tour announced - you were saying?

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: The solo tour wont happen and his album will bomb like his EP.

Tour announced - you were saying?

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: The solo tour wont happen and his album will bomb like his EP.

Tour announced - you were saying?

How many dates is it?

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: The solo tour wont happen and his album will bomb like his EP.

Tour announced - you were saying?

How many dates is it?

Don't know they haven't all been announced yet, there's some USA shows yet to be added.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: The solo tour wont happen and his album will bomb like his EP.

Tour announced - you were saying?

How many dates is it?

Don't know they haven't all been announced yet, there's some USA shows yet to be added.

Something tells me it will be short.

SweetCaroline wrote: The Velvet Tour link Wembley SSE is nothing to sneeze at.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: The Velvet Tour link Wembley SSE is nothing to sneeze at.

Short like I thought. Funny thing some people said he was suited more to Vegas than singing rock songs. Look at him now...but I'm sure he will still fit in a cover or two during these shows.

Young Music Fan wrote: and seeing someone who has got the vocal capability to sing Queen songs.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Who else finds Adam’s version of Who Wants To Live Forever absolutely terrible? He starts screaming the notes because he can’t sing them correctly. Freddie’s original version was a power ballad, I’m unsure what Adam’s is. Bunch of thin pitched screaming. Perhaps his worst vocal performances.

runner_70 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: The Velvet Tour link Wembley SSE is nothing to sneeze at.

Short like I thought. Funny thing some people said he was suited more to Vegas than singing rock songs. Look at him now...but I'm sure he will still fit in a cover or two during these shows.

These German shows are tiny clubs. And not even those will sell out. Wonder what makes him think he will sell out Wembley Arena.

ST17 wrote: Young Music Fan People are going to the shows because of Brian Nd Roger as they are the rock legends. Adam is just the singer helping them out. Lambert needs Queen more than Queen needs Lambert.

runner_70 wrote: These German shows are tiny clubs. And not even those will sell out.

ST17 wrote: Young Music Fan People are going to the shows because of Brian Nd Roger as they are the rock legends. Adam is just the singer helping them out. Lambert needs Queen more than Queen needs Lambert.

Young Music Fan wrote: If Freddie performed in similar circumstances as Adam does now, how do we know that he wouldn't perform as theatrical as Adam does with Queen? If you don't like him tough luck - hundreds of thousands of people obviously want to see Q+AL live otherwise they wouldn't be on a global tour. Just deal and respect Brian and Roger's decisions and stop complaining because it'll change nothing. Stop ruining it for those who want to as it's a free world, it's not a dictatorship.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Who else finds Adam’s version of Who Wants To Live Forever absolutely terrible? He starts screaming the notes because he can’t sing them correctly. Freddie’s original version was a power ballad, I’m unsure what Adam’s is. Bunch of thin pitched screaming. Perhaps his worst vocal performances.

ST17 wrote: Asda got Adam Lambert's new "Velvet" album in but no one purchased a copy so the whole batch got took off display and sent back !

Young Music Fan wrote:

ST17 wrote: Young Music Fan People are going to the shows because of Brian Nd Roger as they are the rock legends. Adam is just the singer helping them out. Lambert needs Queen more than Queen needs Lambert.

I know, I go mainly because of Brian and Roger but I'm sure most are amazed by Adam's delivery - he is just not a singer but a performer.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Short like I thought. Funny thing some people said he was suited more to Vegas than singing rock songs. Look at him now...but I'm sure he will still fit in a cover or two during these shows.

runner_70 wrote: Wonder what makes him think he will sell out Wembley Arena.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Who else finds Adam’s version of Who Wants To Live Forever absolutely terrible? He starts screaming the notes because he can’t sing them correctly. Freddie’s original version was a power ballad, I’m unsure what Adam’s is. Bunch of thin pitched screaming. Perhaps his worst vocal performances.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Short like I thought. Funny thing some people said he was suited more to Vegas than singing rock songs. Look at him now...but I'm sure he will still fit in a cover or two during these shows.

How can you tell when he's only announced some shows yet, the USA one's haven't been added and they only take him to September so he's the rest of the year to add shows other places, probably Australia, maybe Asia etc. As for Vegas there's tons of bands/musicians doing Vegas now, it's a sought after gig, and why shouldn't he throw in some covers if he wants, his fans have favourites they love him doing.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Who else finds Adam’s version of Who Wants To Live Forever absolutely terrible? He starts screaming the notes because he can’t sing them correctly. Freddie’s original version was a power ballad, I’m unsure what Adam’s is. Bunch of thin pitched screaming. Perhaps his worst vocal performances.

Well that particular song is the one everyone says he sings brilliantly, even one's who don't really like him with Queen. He doesn't scream the notes at all on this song.

ST17 wrote: Yes if you like your Queen songs insulted and turned into west end musical theatre by Adam then go for it but Queen started out as a hard rock band with Freddie not mushy musical theatre which is what Lambert has turned this band into.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Who else finds Adam’s version of Who Wants To Live Forever absolutely terrible? He starts screaming the notes because he can’t sing them correctly. Freddie’s original version was a power ballad, I’m unsure what Adam’s is. Bunch of thin pitched screaming. Perhaps his worst vocal performances.

Well that particular song is the one everyone says he sings brilliantly, even one's who don't really like him with Queen. He doesn't scream the notes at all on this song.

Well obviously not everyone, MisterCosmicc and are examples ;-).

Iron Butterfly wrote: I'm going by what has been announced so far. But can you really imagine a lengthy AL solo tour? I can't to be honest.

ST17 wrote: Adam's version of "Who Want's To Live Forever" is nothing compared to Freddie's power packed version with those incredible vocals, and he shows on that song why he he is the greatest male vocalist ever, no one comes close!

ST17 wrote: Freddie nailed that song on the Wembley Dvd so powerful and amazing even Adam could not beat that!

ST17 wrote:Freddie nailed that song on the Wembley Dvd so powerful and amazing even Adam could not beat that!

ST17 wrote:@Brenski Not sure which night at Wembley it was but Freddie's vocals were outstanding and that vocal was so powerful. A bit like when he warmed the audience up at Live Aid and that was not dubbed it was all Freddie ! Mercury blew everyone off that stage at Live Aid!

ST17 wrote:Exactly but lord Brenski here in all his glory knows better than the rest of us on here!

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Who else finds Adam’s version of Who Wants To Live Forever absolutely terrible? He starts screaming the notes because he can’t sing them correctly. Freddie’s original version was a power ballad, I’m unsure what Adam’s is. Bunch of thin pitched screaming. Perhaps his worst vocal performances.

Well that particular song is the one everyone says he sings brilliantly, even one's who don't really like him with Queen. He doesn't scream the notes at all on this song.

Well obviously not everyone, MisterCosmicc and are examples ;-).

Well he's in the minority where that song is concerned and knows zero about vocals if he thinks he's "screaming". There's plenty examples of Adam's "screams" but that song doesn't have em.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Who else finds Adam’s version of Who Wants To Live Forever absolutely terrible? He starts screaming the notes because he can’t sing them correctly. Freddie’s original version was a power ballad, I’m unsure what Adam’s is. Bunch of thin pitched screaming. Perhaps his worst vocal performances.

Well that particular song is the one everyone says he sings brilliantly, even one's who don't really like him with Queen. He doesn't scream the notes at all on this song.

Well obviously not everyone, MisterCosmicc and are examples ;-).

Well he's in the minority where that song is concerned and knows zero about vocals if he thinks he's "screaming". There's plenty examples of Adam's "screams" but that song doesn't have em.

Freddie would do the same damn thing, not sure why Lambert fans can’t agree Adam does it. It shows professionalism, honestly. Adam knows when or when not his voice will crack, and sings to prevent it. Compliment, but you have to accept he does things to prevent his voice from cracking. Every serious performer does. As Freddie got older, he could sing out loudly in his low voice. That’s belting it out, something Adam doesn’t do. Maybe he will in a couple years, hey. Two of Adam’s worst singing traits... 1. Holding a steady note for a few seconds frequently throughout a song... it’s simply not hard to do. People who aren’t terribly diverse vocally do that. 2. Sticking his tongue out. That doesn’t make him sing better, it’s a gimmick he has.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Who else finds Adam’s version of Who Wants To Live Forever absolutely terrible? He starts screaming the notes because he can’t sing them correctly. Freddie’s original version was a power ballad, I’m unsure what Adam’s is. Bunch of thin pitched screaming. Perhaps his worst vocal performances.

Well that particular song is the one everyone says he sings brilliantly, even one's who don't really like him with Queen. He doesn't scream the notes at all on this song.

Well obviously not everyone, MisterCosmicc and are examples ;-).

Well he's in the minority where that song is concerned and knows zero about vocals if he thinks he's "screaming". There's plenty examples of Adam's "screams" but that song doesn't have em.

Freddie would do the same damn thing, not sure why Lambert fans can’t agree Adam does it. It shows professionalism, honestly. Adam knows when or when not his voice will crack, and sings to prevent it. Compliment, but you have to accept he does things to prevent his voice from cracking. Every serious performer does. As Freddie got older, he could sing out loudly in his low voice. That’s belting it out, something Adam doesn’t do. Maybe he will in a couple years, hey. Two of Adam’s worst singing traits... 1. Holding a steady note for a few seconds frequently throughout a song... it’s simply not hard to do. People who aren’t terribly diverse vocally do that. 2. Sticking his tongue out. That doesn’t make him sing better, it’s a gimmick he has.

Adam holds notes because that's his singing style and saying it's not hard to do is daft, of course it's not if it's just a short hold but holding long notes is hard unless you have good breath control/support, nothing to do with being diverse but Adam is diverse as watching all the stuff he did prior to idol and since would show. Sticking his tongue out allows him to hit high notes easier, he probably could sing them without and it's likely just become a habit that he does when not concentrating because that's how he learned to sing the high notes, so what, it's not a crime. Of course Adam knows does things to prevent vocal cracks, I've never said any different, he's a trained singer and his technique is designed for longevity, not sure who's denying that. Adam belts in mix mostly, that's far healthier than pulling chest the way Freddie did and Adam wouldn't have that weighty sound to his voice even if he belted in full chest (he does sometimes) since he has a totally different vocal timbre. Really don't get why people keep expecting him to sing the way Freddie did live, he never has and likely never will, why would he when he can sing his own way, his fans obvlously loved his voice in the first place so why would he change it to suit a few people who can't get past the fact he doesn't do what Freddie did.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Here's the thing. ADAM DOESN'T ROCK. He's NOT ROCK. That's the fucking problem!

Young Music Fan wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Here's the thing. ADAM DOESN'T ROCK. He's NOT ROCK. That's the fucking problem!

But the point we're trying to make is that it's your opinion. For many others people will disagree entirely with you. Don't make statements like this without accurate or liable proof.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Young Music Fan wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Here's the thing. ADAM DOESN'T ROCK. He's NOT ROCK. That's the fucking problem!

But the point we're trying to make is that it's your opinion. For many others people will disagree entirely with you. Don't make statements like this without accurate or liable proof.

Go look up rock 'n' roll... generic Adam isn't part of that industry.

Iron Butterfly wrote: AL will never be a rocker to me. I can't name one solo song he has done that is in any way rock, let alone hard rock. Take his latest songs , that is nowhere near rock. I think pop and EDM is where his feet are firmly planted. And I've never seen a singer having to stick his tongue out to be able to reach high notes. I think AL is accustomed to doing it.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: AL will never be a rocker to me. I can't name one solo song he has done that is in any way rock, let alone hard rock. Take his latest songs , that is nowhere near rock. I think pop and EDM is where his feet are firmly planted. And I've never seen a singer having to stick his tongue out to be able to reach high notes. I think AL is accustomed to doing it.

His latest music is definitely not EDM it's pop/funk with distinct bass lines and real instruments, couldn't get further from EDM. No he has no actual hard rock songs on his albums but that doesn't mean he can't sing rock and rock covers a whole host of styles, they don't all sound like Freddie or Bon Jovi, rock is more about the way the songs are put together and instrumentation than about a paricular type of voice. As to the tongue thing - link Not all singers pull it as forward as Adam but it is a vocal technique and while I'm sure if he made a concious effort to stop doing it he's still be able to hit the notes no problem he's done it so long he'd have to be thinking all the time, why would he bother, most people couldn't care less about what he does with his tongue.

rockchic65 wrote:There's a whole host of "rock & metal" musicians who rate Adam

brENsKi wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:There's a whole host of "rock & metal" musicians who rate Adam

name them. no, actually: quote them (ALL) word for word.

ST17 wrote:Nice one Brenski this will be interesting lol

brENsKi wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:There's a whole host of "rock & metal" musicians who rate Adam

name them. no, actually: quote them (ALL) word for word.

MisterCosmicc Adam's a trained singer, eh? Freddie's not. He didn't need training wheels. !

Vocal harmony wrote:

MisterCosmicc Adam's a trained singer, eh? Freddie's not. He didn't need training wheels. !

Well he obviously did, and because he wasn't trained his voice suffered. That's why vocally Friday night at Wembley is better than Saturday on the magic tour. Most of The Crazy tour is better than a lot of the other 1979 gigs. It's why whole tours are inconsistent going from brilliant to average. Freddie had a great voice but lacked the skill to use it and take care of it professionally. Compare trained opera singers, who often perform five nights a week and use their full range. Lambert is trained to a point, mind that point allows him to use his voice at a consistent professional level. Freddie couldn't do that live, so maybe "training wheels" was what he should have thought about.

Holly2003 wrote: Fred didn't have to be perfect every night. He was a rock singer in a rock band. His job was to put on a show, make good music, energise the crowd etc. It wasn't his job to win a singing contest every night so that people 30 years later could point out every wrong note. I doubt anyone else will ever match what Fred achieved in his life.

rockchic65 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Fred didn't have to be perfect every night. He was a rock singer in a rock band. His job was to put on a show, make good music, energise the crowd etc. It wasn't his job to win a singing contest every night so that people 30 years later could point out every wrong note. I doubt anyone else will ever match what Fred achieved in his life.

And that's the point and why it's ridiculous of some to keep comparing Freddie and Adam, they are completely different types of singers/artists and for people to keep expecting Adam to sing or perform like Freddie is as pointless as anyone expecting Freddie to have sung and performed like someone else. All artists have their strengths and weaknesses and make the best of what they have.

brENsKi wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:There's a whole host of "rock & metal" musicians who rate Adam

name them. no, actually: quote them (ALL) word for word.

ST17 wrote:Nice one Brenski this will be interesting lol

just being objective. i think when people make definite statements they should back them up. it will be interesting to see if rockchic65's dictionary defines "a whole host" as:- 1. literally - as per correct meaning: A very large number or collection of people or things. 2. at least a dozen or so rock/metal musicians 3. less than a handful of people 4. nobody at all, but she once saw someone famous in the same room as AL 5. just the random imaginings of rockchic65 my guess? just a chance of 3, but more likely 4 or 5

Iron Butterfly wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:There's a whole host of "rock & metal" musicians who rate Adam

name them. no, actually: quote them (ALL) word for word.

Will that include Brian and Roger? ;-)

brENsKi wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:There's a whole host of "rock & metal" musicians who rate Adam

name them. no, actually: quote them (ALL) word for word.

ST17 wrote:Nice one Brenski this will be interesting lol

just being objective. i think when people make definite statements they should back them up. it will be interesting to see if rockchic65's dictionary defines "a whole host" as:- 1. literally - as per correct meaning: A very large number or collection of people or things. 2. at least a dozen or so rock/metal musicians 3. less than a handful of people 4. nobody at all, but she once saw someone famous in the same room as AL 5. just the random imaginings of rockchic65 my guess? just a chance of 3, but more likely 4 or 5

runner_70 wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:There's a whole host of "rock & metal" musicians who rate Adam

name them. no, actually: quote them (ALL) word for word.

ST17 wrote:Nice one Brenski this will be interesting lol

just being objective. i think when people make definite statements they should back them up. it will be interesting to see if rockchic65's dictionary defines "a whole host" as:- 1. literally - as per correct meaning: A very large number or collection of people or things. 2. at least a dozen or so rock/metal musicians 3. less than a handful of people 4. nobody at all, but she once saw someone famous in the same room as AL 5. just the random imaginings of rockchic65 my guess? just a chance of 3, but more likely 4 or 5

OK those hordes of Metal Musicians are not even a dozen. Most of them praise the tool to get some free tickets and a VIP treat and are friends with Maylor. SLash hated the way he oversang and told him that during AI

AlbaNo1 wrote: I don’t know what you are so worried about. Freddie is considered a better singer and performer by almost everyone in the world, including AL himself. Even his songwriting alone puts him in the top echelon. He is an undisputed legend. That doesn’t mean some people can’t find something positive to say about Lambert.

rockchic65 wrote:

AlbaNo1 wrote: I don’t know what you are so worried about. Freddie is considered a better singer and performer by almost everyone in the world, including AL himself. Even his songwriting alone puts him in the top echelon. He is an undisputed legend. That doesn’t mean some people can’t find something positive to say about Lambert.

Exactly, there's a weird dichotomy going on, on the one hand they're saying Adam's rubbish and doesn't fit Queen yet spending all their time defending Freddie as if Adam's gonna somehow usurp him in people's minds. As you point out even Adam is in awe of Freddie and doesn't put himself on the same level.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

AlbaNo1 wrote: I don’t know what you are so worried about. Freddie is considered a better singer and performer by almost everyone in the world, including AL himself. Even his songwriting alone puts him in the top echelon. He is an undisputed legend. That doesn’t mean some people can’t find something positive to say about Lambert.

Exactly, there's a weird dichotomy going on, on the one hand they're saying Adam's rubbish and doesn't fit Queen yet spending all their time defending Freddie as if Adam's gonna somehow usurp him in people's minds. As you point out even Adam is in awe of Freddie and doesn't put himself on the same level.

The person who compares AL with Freddie more than anyone else here is SweetCaroline...right down to chest hair. AL will never be anywhere near Freddie, that's a fact. We have some Glamberts here who would have people believe AL pretty much saved Brian's and Roger’s careers and helped Queen be even more popular, which is a load of crap. Brian and Roger hardly sat on their asses doing nothing before AL came along, and it's been pointed out Queen's music was always popular, well before AL.

Young Music Fan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

AlbaNo1 wrote: I don’t know what you are so worried about. Freddie is considered a better singer and performer by almost everyone in the world, including AL himself. Even his songwriting alone puts him in the top echelon. He is an undisputed legend. That doesn’t mean some people can’t find something positive to say about Lambert.

Exactly, there's a weird dichotomy going on, on the one hand they're saying Adam's rubbish and doesn't fit Queen yet spending all their time defending Freddie as if Adam's gonna somehow usurp him in people's minds. As you point out even Adam is in awe of Freddie and doesn't put himself on the same level.

The person who compares AL with Freddie more than anyone else here is SweetCaroline...right down to chest hair. AL will never be anywhere near Freddie, that's a fact. We have some Glamberts here who would have people believe AL pretty much saved Brian's and Roger’s careers and helped Queen be even more popular, which is a load of crap. Brian and Roger hardly sat on their asses doing nothing before AL came along, and it's been pointed out Queen's music was always popular, well before AL.

But even more popular in the last three years. Stats can prove the sudden increase of streaming.

SweetCaroline wrote: It never ends! The only reason I have compared the two is when butt hurt Freddie fans attack Adam for his singing or what he wears on stage. Then I have pointed out some of the outrageous outfits Freddie wore back in the day. It doesn’t matter. That was then and this is now. Some people like to go around and around in circles and never get to the end. If Freddie was here and still performing no one would know who Adam is because none of this would have happened.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Damn right if Freddie was still here, and performing one would know about AL. That should tell you something how AL's career is lacking in many ways.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Damn right if Freddie was still here, and performing one would know about AL. That should tell you something how AL's career is lacking in many ways.

Well Queen fans on a Queen board wouldn't know about him but plenty other people would. Adam's career is doing fine, not everyone is destined to be an Elvis or Freddie but there's plenty artists out there doing their thing and having a great career, being a legend isn't a necessity.

Iron Butterfly wrote: How many would know about him, given that he is better known for singing Queen songs and cover songs than his own music? Yea, he's doing fine, but he would not be where is now without the Queen legacy.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: How many would know about him, given that he is better known for singing Queen songs and cover songs than his own music? Yea, he's doing fine, but he would not be where is now without the Queen legacy.

You've absolutely no way to know that, he was already doing fine before teaming up with Brian & Roger and pleny people knew about him so if he hadn't started touring with them he'd have just concetrated more on his solo career and other opportunities. He's not more known for singing Queen songs at all, he sings WITH Queen but he's known for doing his own solo stuff in between and yeah he does the odd cover for special events like the Kennedy Center, so do lots of artists.

Iron Butterfly wrote: I do t think many people knew of him before Q+AL started. Yes, he is known own more for singing Queen songs than his solo music, that's pretty obvious. He sings with Brian and Roger, not with Queen, big difference.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I do t think many people knew of him before Q+AL started. Yes, he is known own more for singing Queen songs than his solo music, that's pretty obvious. He sings with Brian and Roger, not with Queen, big difference.

People knew of him before QAL, he was touring the world solo and even won favourite international artist of the year in China, his albums charted at No 3, 1 and 3 and was invited to various events to speak or perform relating to LGBT issues. Just because he sings with Brian & Roger (and they are still part of Queen hence it's called Queen +) doesn't mean he's more known for singing Queen songs, plenty fans are more interested in his solo work and solo tours than the Queen stuff and he's known for both and lots of other stuff as well.

Iron Butterfly wrote: His Glamberts knew, it was hardly groundbreaking solo tours that he did solo wise. The Queen legacy is what pretty much got his name out there. Otherwise he'd be known as the runner up for America Idol, and a career that very likely would not have lasted this long, if not for the Queen connections. See what I'm getting at.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: His Glamberts knew, it was hardly groundbreaking solo tours that he did solo wise. The Queen legacy is what pretty much got his name out there. Otherwise he'd be known as the runner up for America Idol, and a career that very likely would not have lasted this long, if not for the Queen connections. See what I'm getting at.

So doing 110 shows all over the world on his first solo tour was nothing? Do you know how many artists from those shows actually get to tour internationally? Not many is the answer. He's always been known as the runner up on AI but that doesn't mean his career wouldn't have lasted, he was offered lots of opportunites early on and that likely would have continued if he'd not been tied up touring a lot of the time. The Queen connection isn't what gets him unrelated gigs, the majority of the stuff he's done has had nothing to do with Queen so you've no way to know if he'd have been asked to do those things without ever having worked with them. The fact is no one knows or could know because he did work with Queen so it's all speculation whichever way you look at it and pointless speculation in reality.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: His Glamberts knew, it was hardly groundbreaking solo tours that he did solo wise. The Queen legacy is what pretty much got his name out there. Otherwise he'd be known as the runner up for America Idol, and a career that very likely would not have lasted this long, if not for the Queen connections. See what I'm getting at.

So doing 110 shows all over the world on his first solo tour was nothing? Do you know how many artists from those shows actually get to tour internationally? Not many is the answer. He's always been known as the runner up on AI but that doesn't mean his career wouldn't have lasted, he was offered lots of opportunites early on and that likely would have continued if he'd not been tied up touring a lot of the time. The Queen connection isn't what gets him unrelated gigs, the majority of the stuff he's done has had nothing to do with Queen so you've no way to know if he'd have been asked to do those things without ever having worked with them. The fact is no one knows or could know because he did work with Queen so it's all speculation whichever way you look at it and pointless speculation in reality.

Please don't resort to twisting things I've not even posted. I said it wasn't groundbreaking, not that it wasn't " nothing". AL owes a heck of alot because of the Queen connections, fact. Where would he be without it, I'd assume he'd be lesser known. Since Q+AL started he hasn't managed to satay with the same record company. I think it's funny he didn't want to do an album of cover songs but he's been touring with Brian and Roger singing Queen songs for years now. It's a bit ironic.

SweetCaroline wrote: I don’t know if that 110 show international tour was groundbreaking but after the rough start he got at the AMA show, it was a good way to start over. His glam nation shows were mesmerizing and I saw 3 of them in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: I don’t know if that 110 show international tour was groundbreaking but after the rough start he got at the AMA show, it was a good way to start over. His glam nation shows were mesmerizing and I saw 3 of them in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

You idolize him too much, like a Trump Worshipper worships Trump.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: His Glamberts knew, it was hardly groundbreaking solo tours that he did solo wise. The Queen legacy is what pretty much got his name out there. Otherwise he'd be known as the runner up for America Idol, and a career that very likely would not have lasted this long, if not for the Queen connections. See what I'm getting at.

So doing 110 shows all over the world on his first solo tour was nothing? Do you know how many artists from those shows actually get to tour internationally? Not many is the answer. He's always been known as the runner up on AI but that doesn't mean his career wouldn't have lasted, he was offered lots of opportunites early on and that likely would have continued if he'd not been tied up touring a lot of the time. The Queen connection isn't what gets him unrelated gigs, the majority of the stuff he's done has had nothing to do with Queen so you've no way to know if he'd have been asked to do those things without ever having worked with them. The fact is no one knows or could know because he did work with Queen so it's all speculation whichever way you look at it and pointless speculation in reality.

Please don't resort to twisting things I've not even posted. I said it wasn't groundbreaking, not that it wasn't " nothing". AL owes a heck of alot because of the Queen connections, fact. Where would he be without it, I'd assume he'd be lesser known. Since Q+AL started he hasn't managed to satay with the same record company. I think it's funny he didn't want to do an album of cover songs but he's been touring with Brian and Roger singing Queen songs for years now. It's a bit ironic.

What's groundbreaking meant to mean then? You implied his tours weren't groundbreaking, don't really know how a tour could be, all artists tour it's commonplace and he toured solo for six months doing 110 shows coming off Idol so he was doing well considering what a lot of artists from those shows end up doing. He was already known, has he been exposed to more people yes and some have become fans but then he's won fans who've seen him on TV show etc which have nothing to do with Queen so it's not all down to that. Touring live with a band is very different from doing a covers album, he likes touring with Brian & Roger and singing Queen music but when he's doing his solo stuff he wants it to be original, why would he want to tour covering music and then record an album of covers as well? Nothing ironic about it they're completely different things. And why would he not change labels when they made it clear it was a cover album or nothing? Doesn't matter now anyway, he's gone indie and is free to do whatever he wants and that suits him far better than having to dance to the labels tune.

SweetCaroline wrote: I don’t know if that 110 show international tour was groundbreaking but after the rough start he got at the AMA show, it was a good way to start over. His glam nation shows were mesmerizing and I saw 3 of them in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

SweetCaroline wrote: I went to in 2009 when he performed a Bowie medley, Starlight and Whole Lotta Love.

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy have you ever been to a LIVE show for anyone? It is a whole different experience than watching on TV or DVD or YouTube. I repeat Adam’s glamnation shows were mesmerizing. And the audience went bonkers for him at the American Idol summer tour I went to in 2009 when he performed a Bowie medley, Starlight and Whole Lotta Love.

SweetCaroline wrote: Here you go, a “groundbreaking” video of the last American Idol Season 8 summer tour show (#50) in 2009 — never saw this before: link

Iron Butterfly wrote: Sorry, missed your post earlier. Since you ask, groundbreaking , means innovative, sorry his solo shows and tours were hardly that, not even close really. I can't name one Glamnation show that stood out. Yea, he was known in some circles before Q+AL as three things.The guy who was a runner up on Idol, the guy who kissed his same sex band mates on an awards show, and his Rolling Stone cover. I wouldn't call myself a Glambert, but I watched his season of Idol. I do find detailed it ironic as heck it's said that he didn't want to do an album of 80's covers, but has toured with Brian and Roger for the better part of a decade now. I don't think AL is as "free" as you might think or hope. Like I've said before, the lines are blurred between his solove music and Q+AL. I think he is a very odd place these last two or three years.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Yes, Gordon Bamford a few years back when he played locally. Why do you bother posting streams, videos so much since you don't think people who dont, or can't attend that their views don't matter? I'm not sure you say his shows were mesmerizing, I used to watch every clip of his shows that you used to post. Seriously, it looked low budget and not anything I'd call mesmerizing. AL sang covers then, as he does now. Shocker. He depends on covers way too much.

runner_70 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: I went to in 2009 when he performed a Bowie medley, Starlight and Whole Lotta Love.

So even in 2009 he was known for being a cover crooner. And WLL sounds even worse than those Queensongs this tool butchered. 11 years later his solo career has tanked he releases shitty dance pop that does not sell and is doing Queen covers

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Yes, Gordon Bamford a few years back when he played locally. Why do you bother posting streams, videos so much since you don't think people who dont, or can't attend that their views don't matter? I'm not sure you say his shows were mesmerizing, I used to watch every clip of his shows that you used to post. Seriously, it looked low budget and not anything I'd call mesmerizing. AL sang covers then, as he does now. Shocker. He depends on covers way too much.

He sang covers on the Idol tour since he hadn't any of his own music to sing at that point and when he did glamnation he had one album out so unless he was gonna do a very short set he would have to put covers in as well, would have thought pretty obvious really.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Yes, Gordon Bamford a few years back when he played locally. Why do you bother posting streams, videos so much since you don't think people who dont, or can't attend that their views don't matter? I'm not sure you say his shows were mesmerizing, I used to watch every clip of his shows that you used to post. Seriously, it looked low budget and not anything I'd call mesmerizing. AL sang covers then, as he does now. Shocker. He depends on covers way too much.

He sang covers on the Idol tour since he hadn't any of his own music to sing at that point and when he did glamnation he had one album out so unless he was gonna do a very short set he would have to put covers in as well, would have thought pretty obvious really.

Could he have written his own song before going on tour? Sure, he could have, but he didnt6 for whatever reason/s, no time maybe? Actullay all that video proved is how inexperienced he was. A shorter set would have been better with his own music than the Zeppelin WLL cover for example. That was atrocious, IMO. Don't know why he chose that one to cover.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Sorry, missed your post earlier. Since you ask, groundbreaking , means innovative, sorry his solo shows and tours were hardly that, not even close really. I can't name one Glamnation show that stood out. Yea, he was known in some circles before Q+AL as three things.The guy who was a runner up on Idol, the guy who kissed his same sex band mates on an awards show, and his Rolling Stone cover. I wouldn't call myself a Glambert, but I watched his season of Idol. I do find detailed it ironic as heck it's said that he didn't want to do an album of 80's covers, but has toured with Brian and Roger for the better part of a decade now. I don't think AL is as "free" as you might think or hope. Like I've said before, the lines are blurred between his solove music and Q+AL. I think he is a very odd place these last two or three years.

The lines aren't blurred at all, he tours with B & R in short stints as a guest frontman and then goes back to his own life doing whatever he chooses be it recording music, doing tv appearances and anything else that comes his way that he feels like doing, it's called having a career that's diverse, nothing odd about that. I call not wanting to RECORD covers and touring with an actual legendary band singing their music but in his own way completely different things, getting on stage with a live band and an audience and interacting in that way with amazing music to sing is fun and enjoyable. Standing in a recording booth singing a bunch of cover songs you have no connection to with no band and audience to bounce off and interact and have fun with sounds boring and not what someone who likes to be creative would find remotely fun. He gets to have the joy of touring with B & R for six weeks at a time and the creative satisfaction of creating and recording his own music (doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks of his music) he's just happy doing it and then all the other stuff he does in between. As to his glamnation tour there might not be anything that stands out to you but then you aren't the target audience, you arent a glambert and haven't seen him live so no idea how you would even know how good he was or what would be a stand out show. Did you watch a complete video of every single glamnation show to come to that conclusion? I know his fans record stuff but I doubt there's many if any full show videos out there of his glamnation tour, in fact I just had a look and all I could find is individual songs recorded so if you know where I can find the full show recordings I'd appreciate a heads up, I'd like to see some since I've never watched much of the glam nation stuff. As to being free, he wasn't in the past with the labels trying to make him something he's not but he's definitely free to do whatever he wants now.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Yes, Gordon Bamford a few years back when he played locally. Why do you bother posting streams, videos so much since you don't think people who dont, or can't attend that their views don't matter? I'm not sure you say his shows were mesmerizing, I used to watch every clip of his shows that you used to post. Seriously, it looked low budget and not anything I'd call mesmerizing. AL sang covers then, as he does now. Shocker. He depends on covers way too much.

He sang covers on the Idol tour since he hadn't any of his own music to sing at that point and when he did glamnation he had one album out so unless he was gonna do a very short set he would have to put covers in as well, would have thought pretty obvious really.

Could he have written his own song before going on tour? Sure, he could have, but he didnt6 for whatever reason/s, no time maybe? Actullay all that video proved is how inexperienced he was. A shorter set would have been better with his own music than the Zeppelin WLL cover for example. That was atrocious, IMO. Don't know why he chose that one to cover.

Everyone loved that cover including B & R, it's the one that got him the attention of Spike on the show and started the whole QAL thing so while you might not like it he was doing it for the multitude of fans who did love it and there were loads, lots of his fans wanted him to go in a rock direction so doing rock covers like WLL and Purple Haze were a good idea to offset the more poppy stuff. No he couldn't have made his own song before the Idol tour, there's a process involved when you get off those shows, the winner has a song written for them and recorded before the show ends and that's the one they have to put out, the rest who go on the tour cover songs since they haven't had time to get in the studio with their label and producers and start the process of recording. Adam actually recorded his first album in 3 months while doing the Idol tour so he would have new music out and could put together his own tour straight away after. Why would an artist do a short set (pretty sure the fans would be pissed if that happened after they'd paid to see you) instead of filling up the set with covers. He did the majority of stuff off the album and threw in a few covers, as he got more albums out he did less covers and changed them up a bit, it's what people do. Incidentally here's a list of some of the covers Queen did in their shows and they did already have plenty of solo music out, maybe artists sometimes like to do covers. Jailhouse Rock Tutti Frutti Shake, Rattle and Roll Stupid Cupid Big Spender Bama Lama Bama Loo You're So Square Hello Mary Lou Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin On

Iron Butterfly wrote: I don't know how you can say the lines are blurred when it is. When he tours with Brian and Roger, he gets asked a out his solo music, and vice versa. What stood out to me in a big way is at one time last year he said he wanted to catch Queen fans ears. I don't think he's managed to do so. Not wanting to record an album of covers, then turning around singing covers with Brian and Roger, for the better part of a decade is quite something. Maybe Brian and Roger pay him more than a cover album was likely to do. Who were the target audience of the Glamnation tour? The ones who watched him on Idol and voted for him? Well, I watched his season although I didn't vote for him, at the time IIRC, I don't think Canadian were able to phone in to vote. I watched his season and didn't fall for him, or think he looked like Elvis right away when I first saw him. There actually used to be videos of his shows on YouTube, not sure if they are still there, I'm not going to bother looking maybe later on Sunday I will look and let you know ( it's 2.52 am here ), and nor do I need to see the videos here. If I believe some of what the AL and Glamberts said, I'd believe RCA and Warner were making him do stuff. At the end of the day it was down to AL and still is down to AL to tour with Brian and Roger. I still think he puts Q+AL before his solo music. You say he can do whatever he wants to do now, but can he really?

Iron Butterfly wrote: Well, I didn't love the cover, so much for everyone right there ;-). Oh dear. I know Queen did covers, I was talking about AL, not Queen. Why turn it around? Careful mentioning Queen in here, snifflese doesn't like that at all.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Well, I didn't love the cover, so much for everyone right there ;-). Oh dear. I know Queen did covers, I was talking about AL, not Queen. Why turn it around? Careful mentioning Queen in here, snifflese doesn't like that at all.

So you think it's ok to go on and on about Adam doing covers but when someone points out other artists also do covers including Queen that's not ok? Not turning anything around just pointing out the ludicrousness of your argument, you can't have it both ways, you can't berate Adam for doing what tons of other artists do and not expect an example of the double standard you're applying. As I pointed out you didn't love the cover but then you aren't a fan of his, plenty people did love it and he sang it for them.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Oh dear again. You are using a Glambert tactic that twists things that I don't even post. AL has done many covers fact, and I'm aware Queen did covers as well. Better? Funny thing, I think it was you who said in the last few days about comparing Freddie to AL, but you are comparing Queen and AL doing covers. First off, Queen never relied so heavily on covers, they did a song or two here and there. I can't think of one n Queen show that heavily relied on covers. Lambert relies on covers, heck he has been singing them with Brian and Roger for nearly a decade. Even with his solo shows he usually manages to fit a cover or two. Another Glambert tactic to say I'm not a fan of AL's even though I have said very recently, in the last couple of days, even hours sgo that I really like Feel Something. I guess that doesn't make me a fan in your eyes. Alightyear then, sorry I don't fawn over the guy enough to be called a fan. I wish you didn't resort to shitty Glambert tactics with me here. Very telling that you do so.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Oh dear again. You are using a Glambert tactic that twists things that I don't even post. AL has done many covers fact, and I'm aware Queen did covers as well. Better? Funny thing, I think it was you who said in the last few days about comparing Freddie to AL, but you are comparing Queen and AL doing covers. First off, Queen never relied so heavily on covers, they did a song or two here and there. I can't think of one n Queen show that heavily relied on covers. Lambert relies on covers, heck he has been singing them with Brian and Roger for nearly a decade. Even with his solo shows he usually manages to fit a cover or two. Another Glambert tactic to say I'm not a fan of AL's even though I have said very recently, in the last couple of days, even hours sgo that I really like Feel Something. I guess that doesn't make me a fan in your eyes. Alightyear then, sorry I don't fawn over the guy enough to be called a fan. I wish you didn't resort to shitty Glambert tactics with me here. Very telling that you do so.

I'm not twisting anything I'm sticking to facts and the facts are that plenty of artists including Queen do covers during live shows. In 1973 Queen did five covers during the show and one again as a reprise (Jailhouse Rock). I'm not comparing them doing covers I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of calling one artist for doing something and giving another a free pass to another for the exact same thing, that's nothing to do with comparing. Adam is touring WITH QAL as their frontman, that's not doing covers the same way as an artist covering others in their own show, how on earth can you not make that distinction? Liking the odd song of an artist is not being a fan per se, there's plenty one off songs by artists I like but would never class myself was a fan of them in general and by that I mean I don't follow their career, don't watch their vids on YT and don't go to see them live and don't invest any time or energy in knowing or caring what they're up to all the time. Adam has die hard fans who follow his career closely, who go to shows, who love most of what he does and they're the fans he's entertaining so if he does things other people don't care for it doesn't matter, they aren't the audience his shows and music is aimed at. No idea how that comment could be construed as a glambert tactic.

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy have you ever been to a LIVE show for anyone? It is a whole different experience than watching on TV or DVD or YouTube. I repeat Adam’s glamnation shows were mesmerizing. And the audience went bonkers for him at the American Idol summer tour I went to in 2009 when he performed a Bowie medley, Starlight and Whole Lotta Love.

Holly2003 wrote: Fred didn't have to be perfect every night. He was a rock singer in a rock band. His job was to put on a show, make good music, energise the crowd etc. It wasn't his job to win a singing contest every night so that people 30 years later could point out every wrong note. I doubt anyone else will ever match what Fred achieved in his life.

runner_70 wrote:

Vocal harmony wrote:

MisterCosmicc Adam's a trained singer, eh? Freddie's not. He didn't need training wheels. !

Well he obviously did, and because he wasn't trained his voice suffered. That's why vocally Friday night at Wembley is better than Saturday on the magic tour. Most of The Crazy tour is better than a lot of the other 1979 gigs. It's why whole tours are inconsistent going from brilliant to average. Freddie had a great voice but lacked the skill to use it and take care of it professionally. Compare trained opera singers, who often perform five nights a week and use their full range. Lambert is trained to a point, mind that point allows him to use his voice at a consistent professional level. Freddie couldn't do that live, so maybe "training wheels" was what he should have thought about.

There you have it again. Fucking Glamtarts visiting a QUEEN noticeboard and slamming Freddie for being not capable of singing properly while the asshat Lamebird is hyped to death. He lacked skill in 1979, one of those years (1979-1981 being his peak) where his voice completey peaked? And some fucking Glamtart asshole is coming to this board talking about Freddie being not capable of singing? How delusional can you fucking pricks get? You fucking tranny idol is not even a musician let alone a singer. He is an EMO screamer with a paperthin shit voice destroying others songs and making a career out of being a cover crooner. Gimme a break really. Hitting high notes is not equal to good singing. When I hear this tool yodeling at the end of TYMD like someone whose nuts get slapped I have to vomit. And you really wonder why Glamtarts are hated on Queen boards?? Really???? Get the fuck out of here like sniff did.

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam wasn’t appealing only to Glamberts in those 110 Glam Nation shows. I was amazed at the diversity of the people in the line that wrapped around the block at the first show I went to in Columbus. Inside the venue I was surprised by the guys standing near me who were with wives or girlfriends and were cheering as loud as I was. Every show was a standout, not just one or two because Adam is never boring and changes up his delivery of each song. rockchic, there is a professional video for purchase of the Glam Nation Show he did in Indianapolis during that tour.

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam wasn’t appealing only to Glamberts in those 110 Glam Nation shows. I was amazed at the diversity of the people in the line that wrapped around the block at the first show I went to in Columbus. Inside the venue I was surprised by the guys standing near me who were with wives or girlfriends and were cheering as loud as I was. Every show was a standout, not just one or two because Adam is never boring and changes up his delivery of each song. rockchic, there is a professional video for purchase of the Glam Nation Show he did in Indianapolis during that tour.

ST17 wrote: For a start Adam is only a Z-lister living the rock n roll lifestyle thanks to crazy Brian May.

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam is having a very busy 2020 so far: link

lincsat wrote: The band isn't Queen any more, it's Queen + Adam Lambert. From the bits I've seen, they play mostly Queen songs and play them very well. If you don't like what they are doing then nobody is forcing you to watch or listen. There is plenty of original Queen material to enjoy. I would love to see Queen + Adam Lambert but the closest they have come to my location is Birmingham and unfortunately I'm not available at the time they are there. I enjoyed Queen + Paul Rogers and got to see them at Nottingham and Sheffield, you even get to see the back of my bald patch in the DVD from Sheffield during I want to break free. I for one am eagerly awaiting an official live concert video. Not too bothered about any new studio work unless it includes some re-visited old material but would listen to it before making an opinion.

rockchic65 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam wasn’t appealing only to Glamberts in those 110 Glam Nation shows. I was amazed at the diversity of the people in the line that wrapped around the block at the first show I went to in Columbus. Inside the venue I was surprised by the guys standing near me who were with wives or girlfriends and were cheering as loud as I was. Every show was a standout, not just one or two because Adam is never boring and changes up his delivery of each song. rockchic, there is a professional video for purchase of the Glam Nation Show he did in Indianapolis during that tour.

Ah right, I knew there was an audio live album but didn't realize there was a video version as well, cheers for that.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Did you read my post earlier, or did you choose to ignore it? On youtube there is a concert from the Glamnation tour when it was Indianapolis, waste of my time pointing it out I guess.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Who wants to bet he will do a cover..Oh let's say a Queen cover?

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Oh dear again. You are using a Glambert tactic that twists things that I don't even post. AL has done many covers fact, and I'm aware Queen did covers as well. Better? Funny thing, I think it was you who said in the last few days about comparing Freddie to AL, but you are comparing Queen and AL doing covers. First off, Queen never relied so heavily on covers, they did a song or two here and there. I can't think of one n Queen show that heavily relied on covers. Lambert relies on covers, heck he has been singing them with Brian and Roger for nearly a decade. Even with his solo shows he usually manages to fit a cover or two. Another Glambert tactic to say I'm not a fan of AL's even though I have said very recently, in the last couple of days, even hours sgo that I really like Feel Something. I guess that doesn't make me a fan in your eyes. Alightyear then, sorry I don't fawn over the guy enough to be called a fan. I wish you didn't resort to shitty Glambert tactics with me here. Very telling that you do so.

I'm not twisting anything I'm sticking to facts and the facts are that plenty of artists including Queen do covers during live shows. In 1973 Queen did five covers during the show and one again as a reprise (Jailhouse Rock). I'm not comparing them doing covers I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of calling one artist for doing something and giving another a free pass to another for the exact same thing, that's nothing to do with comparing. Adam is touring WITH QAL as their frontman, that's not doing covers the same way as an artist covering others in their own show, how on earth can you not make that distinction? Liking the odd song of an artist is not being a fan per se, there's plenty one off songs by artists I like but would never class myself was a fan of them in general and by that I mean I don't follow their career, don't watch their vids on YT and don't go to see them live and don't invest any time or energy in knowing or caring what they're up to all the time. Adam has die hard fans who follow his career closely, who go to shows, who love most of what he does and they're the fans he's entertaining so if he does things other people don't care for it doesn't matter, they aren't the audience his shows and music is aimed at. No idea how that comment could be construed as a glambert tactic.

You did twist things that wasn't even in my posts, it's there what we both said. I never even said it wasn't ok to point out that other artists, including Queen did covers as well. I'm well aware. One of my favorite bands recently did a Queen cover...one, not heavily relying on doing them. I stand by that I think AL relies heavily on doing covers songs. I'm also osteoporosis certain need will include a cover or two in his upcoming solo shows. Maybe even a Queen one; -). AL does sing covers with Brian and Roger. Genuine question, what makes an AL fan in your opinion? I don't blindly support everything an artist does. Nor do I dig and share personal info about my favorite artists. I'm not a glambert or even an AL fan compared to some people. I'm ok with that. I say what I don't like, and I say what I do like, goes for every artist. I think I would actually put AL in my top 150 artists of the last few years. There is much more music I like more than him, guess what, I'm ok with that too. That might not make a fan in your eyes so be it. Glambert tactics, there are two people here who purposely twist things that I don't say in my posts, it must be a kick i guess. Glambert tactics are the ones who say I'm not an AL fan. They do that trying to make me look bad. I know we disagree rockchic, but at least discuss or debate what in actullay in my posts. It's a well worn tactic of the two Glamberts here to twist as much as possible about me, I almost am sure someone will come along to say I hate AL, I'm negative etc. BTW, I went and looked. On youtube there is a documentary of sorts about AL's glamnation tour, there's a catch, it has to be paid to be able to see it. I've not watched it, so I can't tell you what is in it. There is also a playlist of the Glamnation tour from Indianapolis from 2010, it's in parts however.

SweetCaroline wrote: Another argumentative dissertation from the “owner” of the forum! It never ends!

ST17 wrote: Rest assured Adam will never get on to a Cd with Queen ever ! Even Brian & Roger have the common sense not to let that car crash happen!

philip storey wrote: I am not for one minute looking forward to a Live CD or DVD of Queen & AL,however I find it a little strange that Brian and Roger have not milked that particular product yet.After all they did Return of the Champions with Paul Rodgers and a DVD.Maybe they have something in the works please us all,while we wait for a "live killers" box set.;-} "

Ale Solan wrote:

philip storey wrote: No Queen Adam Lambert Live Releases

Thank fuck.

CM wrote: The best part of the every Q+AL show is the set of their new studio album being finally performed live. Lambert voice in their album is great with Brian and Roger on backing vocals, right, but what a blast is getting most of their new songs played live, so we will getting a new DVD release with every new album they release too. Queen used to get a new studio record out in two or three years time so the new deal with Lambert to get a new record released every four years is great... Brian and Roger feel lucky to have Adam, so they dont want to waste their time with boring tours when they can use their talent to create new music. The way Ringo Starr or Robert Plant always do. ...and then we remember Queen is just an endless greatest hits jukebox. Congrats Brian. Queen is the best dead band alive in the world.

ST16 wrote: It is obvious why Brian & Roger will not record with Adam, it is because they know it will be a flop and going by Adam's solo career that is a complete car crash. For gods sake do not record with the cock twat its bad enough seeing Queen abuse there rock status with this screeching banshee on stage.

master marathon runner wrote: Just roll on retirement. ....then we can all breathe easy.

runner_70 wrote:

Secretfantasy wrote: And what Queen did to Ghost Town! Amazing!

Ghost Town was released until 1991? Because Queen could have done something with it then. They stopped existing due to the death of their singer. How can they do something with it? The song is shit and stays shit. Not as shitty as Two Fux. THe worst thing Brian and Roger ever played on EVER. And that includes the Badger song and 5IVE

Saint Jiub wrote: Pepsi commercial, Robbie Williams, the musical, QAL ... all boring IMHO

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Who else finds Adam’s version of Who Wants To Live Forever absolutely terrible? He starts screaming the notes because he can’t sing them correctly. Freddie’s original version was a power ballad, I’m unsure what Adam’s is. Bunch of thin pitched screaming. Perhaps his worst vocal performances.

I wouldn't call it a absolutely terrible, but I've never warmed up to him singing it. Almost as if AL is trying to show off, less is more even the Queen live version was so much better than Q+ALs version of it.

Holly2003 wrote: WWL + Lambert = elevator muzak.

SweetCaroline wrote: I’m sure this has been posted previously but for those who are critical of how Adam sings WWTLF, it is an excellent explanation and critique: link

SweetCaroline wrote: Marc screams: link

SweetCaroline wrote: Sorry, but I think Adam’s voice is more powerful. Marc has a different sound or tone which is closer to Freddie, but he doesn’t have the power that is so strong for Adam.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Sorry, but I think Adam’s voice is more powerful. Marc has a different sound or tone which is closer to Freddie, but he doesn’t have the power that is so strong for Adam.

Powerful how exactly?

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Sorry, but I think Adam’s voice is more powerful. Marc has a different sound or tone which is closer to Freddie, but he doesn’t have the power that is so strong for Adam.

Powerful how exactly?

Don’t worry, she’s smelly. Adam says his fans are smelly.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Sorry, but I think Adam’s voice is more powerful. Marc has a different sound or tone which is closer to Freddie, but he doesn’t have the power that is so strong for Adam.

Powerful how exactly?

Don’t worry, she’s smelly. Adam says his fans are smelly.

LOL. Then on the other hand, we have some Glamberts saying and posting on Queen boards how AL smells.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Sorry, but I think Adam’s voice is more powerful. Marc has a different sound or tone which is closer to Freddie, but he doesn’t have the power that is so strong for Adam.

Powerful how exactly?

Don’t worry, she’s smelly. Adam says his fans are smelly.

LOL. Then on the other hand, we have some Glamberts saying and posting on Queen boards how AL smells.

I bet SweetCaroline would bid on a used, unwashed speedo worn by Adam

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Sorry, but I think Adam’s voice is more powerful. Marc has a different sound or tone which is closer to Freddie, but he doesn’t have the power that is so strong for Adam.

Powerful how exactly?

Don’t worry, she’s smelly. Adam says his fans are smelly.

LOL. Then on the other hand, we have some Glamberts saying and posting on Queen boards how AL smells.

I bet SweetCaroline would bid on a used, unwashed speedo worn by Adam

I think she would because she has said something about wanting to be his maid to clean up his house. LMAO.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Sorry, but I think Adam’s voice is more powerful. Marc has a different sound or tone which is closer to Freddie, but he doesn’t have the power that is so strong for Adam.

Powerful how exactly?

Don’t worry, she’s smelly. Adam says his fans are smelly.

LOL. Then on the other hand, we have some Glamberts saying and posting on Queen boards how AL smells.

I bet SweetCaroline would bid on a used, unwashed speedo worn by Adam

I think she would because she has said something about wanting to be his maid to clean up his house. LMAO.

Gross!

SweetCaroline wrote: How many sons do you have, icy?

SweetCaroline wrote: Why? Because you are nosy about my sons! How many do you have?

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Why? Because you are nosy about my sons! How many do you have?

Nosy my ass. You have metionec thatyou have a son a few times, remember that you said he thinks Freddie is a Thunderbird and Lambert is a Lamborghini on Queen boards . I remember it just in case you try saying I'm stalking you again. And you have also said you think AL is a second son to you and you think of yourself as his second mother. Seriously, that's insane, even more so how you go on about how sexy you think AL is... You said all that. On Queen boards, so I'm not being nosy. You are nosy asking if I have a son. Actually, you are pathetic.

snifflese wrote: It just so happens Adam WWTLF is my favorite song that he sings and there are a lot of master class and opera experts who have posted you tubes and commented on it. It is a breath taking version by a world class tenor. Guess you guys don't know much outside of the rock world or you might have more appreciation for it. If you sit in a venue where he is singing it, you would know that his voice is powerful and rings in the rafters. You guys have no idea what you are babbling on about.

snifflese wrote: It just so happens Adam WWTLF is my favorite song that he sings and there are a lot of master class and opera experts who have posted you tubes and commented on it. It is a breath taking version by a world class tenor. Guess you guys don't know much outside of the rock world or you might have more appreciation for it. If you sit in a venue where he is singing it, you would know that his voice is powerful and rings in the rafters. You guys have no idea what you are babbling on about.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Why? Because you are nosy about my sons! How many do you have?

Nosy my ass. You have metionec thatyou have a son a few times, remember that you said he thinks Freddie is a Thunderbird and Lambert is a Lamborghini on Queen boards . I remember it just in case you try saying I'm stalking you again. And you have also said you think AL is a second son to you and you think of yourself as his second mother. Seriously, that's insane, even more so how you go on about how sexy you think AL is... You said all that. On Queen boards, so I'm not being nosy. You are nosy asking if I have a son. Actually, you are pathetic.

And she ignores you after being confronted with facts.

snifflese wrote: Apparently you don't know what an stellar world class tenor voice is like! You also haven't heard it in the venue with your butt in the seat, as that makes a tremendous difference!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Why? Because you are nosy about my sons! How many do you have?

Nosy my ass. You have metionec thatyou have a son a few times, remember that you said he thinks Freddie is a Thunderbird and Lambert is a Lamborghini on Queen boards . I remember it just in case you try saying I'm stalking you again. And you have also said you think AL is a second son to you and you think of yourself as his second mother. Seriously, that's insane, even more so how you go on about how sexy you think AL is... You said all that. On Queen boards, so I'm not being nosy. You are nosy asking if I have a son. Actually, you are pathetic.

And she ignores you after being confronted with facts.

Of course she ignores me. Until she wants to bitch at me again. What a fkd up question to ask me if I have a son, that's just so weird, just like her son saying Freddie was a Thunderbird and Lambert is a Lamborghini that she's posted what her son said, to try to boost her views. LMAO.

snifflese wrote: Cosmic, you never have a clue what you are talking about. You seem to talk out of your butt, anything that is negative about Adam. I guess you haven't read many of the GLOWING, MAGNIFICENT Reviews from the concerts where they talk about the fans that range from 8-90 and how you see whole families with grandparents, parents and kids who go to QAL. Queen's music is so timeless that it appeals to all age groups. I imagine SC's son and family went with her. One of my 2 sons accompanied me twice and although he was not predisposed to like QAL, he was really impressed and loved it after the first show in 2014. He went with me to a concert the second time round in 2017 and found them even better. He would have gone to the Rhapsody tour very happily, but he now lives in Asia. Instead, one of my younger son's friends went with me. He said it was one of the best shows he had ever seen and his livelihood is photographing rock concerts. He has met many, many of the stars and seen their concerts! That is the way it works at a QAL concert! People become fans after attending one of their outstanding shows and it is all ages and lots of moms and dads with their kids!!

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Why? Because you are nosy about my sons! How many do you have?

Nosy my ass. You have metionec thatyou have a son a few times, remember that you said he thinks Freddie is a Thunderbird and Lambert is a Lamborghini on Queen boards . I remember it just in case you try saying I'm stalking you again. And you have also said you think AL is a second son to you and you think of yourself as his second mother. Seriously, that's insane, even more so how you go on about how sexy you think AL is... You said all that. On Queen boards, so I'm not being nosy. You are nosy asking if I have a son. Actually, you are pathetic.

And she ignores you after being confronted with facts.

Of course she ignores me. Until she wants to bitch at me again. What a fkd up question to ask me if I have a son, that's just so weird, just like her son saying Freddie was a Thunderbird and Lambert is a Lamborghini that she's posted what her son said, to try to boost her views. LMAO.

If her son really said that, he’s living at home with mommy. But, without a doubt, I guarantee her son could care less about Adam Lambert, and is probably disgusted with her worship over him.

SweetCaroline wrote: Do you have a son? You never answer! Stop talking about mine. Let’s hear about yours!

snifflese wrote: Mainly because you two jokers brought up sons in the comments. I was replying to this" Cosmic says, " "If her son really said that, he’s living at home with mommy. But, without a doubt, I guarantee her son could care less about Adam Lambert, and is probably disgusted with her worship over him." -about SC and her son My post related directly to that remark. I was at three concerts (2014, 2017, and 2019) and saw and spoke to people who had whole families with them. So, I think I am in a much better position than you two to say who is attending these concerts. I sat next to two sets of parents with kids from 20-35. Don't bring up sons if we can't respond to that. I think my son's remarks are very pertinent as he is a different generation than I am and thought Freddie was the bee's knees, but came out really enjoying Adam as a vocalist and Brian and Roger for their consummate musicianship. That is very pertinent as he attended 2 shows and could assess better than you two who have been to none and are predisposed to hate everything they do. I don't put much stock in what any of you say, as I have been to the concerts and know better. When you are at a concert, you get the vibe of it and know if it was well received or not and QAL's shows seem to be loved by the vast majority.

snifflese wrote: Then you and Cosmic shouldn't make snide remarks about son's living in basements as if younger people would never go to a concert and there must be something wrong with them to like Adam, or maybe it is just our son's that can't have a valid opinion. That is reserved just for you folks, I guess. Your remark makes no sense based on the previous posts. I have told you before, that if you have to insert sarcasm, it was a lame remark.

ST16 wrote: Adam does not justify any Queen song because those songs were tailored to Freddie's Vocals as he plays piano in E flat.

snifflese wrote: I said you and Cosmic together, since both of you were cackling about sons and it was Cosmic who said that, which I clearly noted. But as always you go along with it, you are both as mean as each other. I also said it was in reference to SC's son. Try to read a little closer. Going to a concert with a person who knows a lot about music and has an opinion can be stated on here. It is not some random tweet. It is actually someone I know and had a long discussion with. But somehow you guys make is sound creepy and wrong.I don't ordinarily say anything about my sons opinions, just very occasionally and I am allowed to do that! I f you point out things you don't like and things that are "wrong", then people can push back. That is the nature of what passes for a discussion on here. unfortunately. Even with RC, once she starts pointing things out to you, you even get on the" glambert tactics" train with her and start getting huffy. This particular conversation was within the last week or so between you and her. You just don't want any criticism at all, even thought that is all you do on here. Why can't others say something with you jumping on them and sneering at them about their opinions? You could do it in a civil manner, but you won't and then you moan about it.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Why? Because you are nosy about my sons! How many do you have?

Nosy my ass. You have metionec thatyou have a son a few times, remember that you said he thinks Freddie is a Thunderbird and Lambert is a Lamborghini on Queen boards . I remember it just in case you try saying I'm stalking you again. And you have also said you think AL is a second son to you and you think of yourself as his second mother. Seriously, that's insane, even more so how you go on about how sexy you think AL is... You said all that. On Queen boards, so I'm not being nosy. You are nosy asking if I have a son. Actually, you are pathetic.

And she ignores you after being confronted with facts.

Of course she ignores me. Until she wants to bitch at me again. What a fkd up question to ask me if I have a son, that's just so weird, just like her son saying Freddie was a Thunderbird and Lambert is a Lamborghini that she's posted what her son said, to try to boost her views. LMAO.

If her son really said that, he’s living at home with mommy. But, without a doubt, I guarantee her son could care less about Adam Lambert, and is probably disgusted with her worship over him.

And to think she asked if I had a son. Lol.

snifflese wrote: One more thing for Icy and Cosmic. They seem to dismiss any opinion for whatever reason, if it isn't like their own. You two seem to think my Kids (mid-thirties and older, still called kids here in the US no matter their age) can not be brought into a conversation because their opinions don't count. Not sure why, as any concert goer or music lover can express an opinion. You two certainly do and I am willing to bet my kid's musical expertise weigh outshines your expertise, not that I have seen much evidence of that, esp from Icy. So far I have seen her expound on crowns and capes and important Queen dates, not much else and not very impressive for someone who wants to dictate everyone else's opinion. Here is the reason my kid's opinions count. One had classical piano lessons for 7 years up until his Sr year when things got too busy. He did the piano guild exams and performances always with an outstanding. I am not sure if Icy has ever had to memorize an hours worth of classical music to play by yourself in front of judges. I doubt it greatly. He also was in a large school band in the percussion section and can play all the instruments, mostly drums. That was another 4 years worth of band musical training. He also played for fun in metal bands in the community. My other son had the same kind of training for guitar and bass, although he did not play in the school band. He plays by ear and can play any song. He was in a couple of semi-professional bands that had gigs in big cities around us. They were also carted along with their friends by me to all the rock concerts and shows in the area. We have seen Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Judas Priest, Slip Knot, Rage against the Machine and numerous other bands, so they have had their share of live concerts. They have continued seeing live bands as adults. So, I would venture to say that their opinion is at least as valid as Icy's, who I doubt has anywhere near their musical bona fides and the most important thing is that one of those 2 sons was able to go with me to see QAL in 2014 and 2017 and was able to experience it first hand. Not sure how she can consider her more than likely very limited musical knowledge to be more valid than theirs. Knowing a few Queen facts does not make it so and I have seen no evidence of any great knowledge of music in general or about Queen, other that a few random things she always says. Get off your high horses and let everyone have their say without sneering at them and making fun of people (particulary Cosmic in this one instance). If you can have an opinion, so can I and I can share my son't opinions also. Just like SC can bring over tweets and reviews, which are often from people in the business or some old Queen fans. But it doesn't matter who they are, as their opinion also counts. Most importantly, they were at the concert. so they can have a much more valid opinion than someone who never has attended a show.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

snifflese wrote: Cosmic, you never have a clue what you are talking about. You seem to talk out of your butt, anything that is negative about Adam. I guess you haven't read many of the GLOWING, MAGNIFICENT Reviews from the concerts where they talk about the fans that range from 8-90 and how you see whole families with grandparents, parents and kids who go to QAL. Queen's music is so timeless that it appeals to all age groups. I imagine SC's son and family went with her. One of my 2 sons accompanied me twice and although he was not predisposed to like QAL, he was really impressed and loved it after the first show in 2014. He went with me to a concert the second time round in 2017 and found them even better. He would have gone to the Rhapsody tour very happily, but he now lives in Asia. Instead, one of my younger son's friends went with me. He said it was one of the best shows he had ever seen and his livelihood is photographing rock concerts. He has met many, many of the stars and seen their concerts! That is the way it works at a QAL concert! People become fans after attending one of their outstanding shows and it is all ages and lots of moms and dads with their kids!!

Caps again. Seriously you put too much stock in the reviews that is only praise. Why the heck are you and SweetCaroline bring up what your son thinks? Is that the latest way to post by bringing up what your sons say?

snifflese wrote: You don't value any opinion but your own and you neglected to show all the rest of the thread with you and Cosmic yukking it up about our kids and you have had things to say previously. That was your last post previous to my comments and I don't see why you would care whose opinion it is. At least one of them was at two of the concerts.

snifflese wrote: Nobody can change your mind and no one is trying to. Just keep the nasty remarks about other people's opinions out of the discussion and everyone might be able to get along. You can scroll over glowing articles, just don't read them. But people have a right to post such things just like you can rain on everyone's parade, it just doesn't have to get ugly with the stuff you normally say to them. I don't put stock into glowing reviews, etc. BUT I have seen 3 of their concerts and IMO those glowing reviews and tweets are exactly on point. Millions of people all over the internet say the same things: 1) They can't believe how great the concert is 2). They can't believe how great Brian and Roger are, esp Brian playing like that at his age. 3). They can't believe how good Adam is with them and how he won them over in spite of his not being Freddie. 4). They can't believe how wonderful Adam's voice is and often mention that they don't understand why he is not more well known for his voice which they never thought could be that good. 5). Many, Many say it was hands down the best concert they have ever attended. Those are the facts, if you have followed the tweets, reviews, blogs and newspaper articles over the last so many years. That is why they play more and more concerts and bigger venues. They could not be doing that if they were as lousy as you think they are. You just don't like Adam and it colors your objectivity and that of some of the others on here. Most people can separate Adam and Freddie, but somehow you can't. The two have nothing to do with one another, as it is a different time and a different band. People liking QAL in no way takes a thing away from Freddie, but for you it does somehow. I don't know what to do about that one. It makes you a very negative person which is a shame.

SweetCaroline wrote: snifflese, it is impossible to deal with nasty, brain-dead imbeciles! They don’t do that at QOL.

snifflese wrote: Then there is no reason to ever have any interaction with you, Icy. Which is what I would really like. You have your opinion and I have mine. Go find some other like minded person and chat with them. No, I am not bitter and envious of Freddie (don't understand that statement at all!) but I am not a nut job about Freddie and can separate the two, as it is a different time and a different band, just like I just told you above. I can appreciate all the wonderful things he did for Queen and I loved the music back then. I can also appreciate the QAL resurgence and how much joy it brings to a lot of people who wanted to see Queen one more time or never got to see them, but can appreciate what they are doing now as QAL. This is as good as it gets, since Freddie is not walking back on that stage. You have to appreciate what is available right now and not hold it against them that Freddie is no longer singing. That is totally unreasonable and unfair to the band.

snifflese wrote: OK, Lady, what do you ever discuss since you are the biggest Freddie lover on here? I have not seen one tid bit of info about Freddie or Queen or anything unless you were throwing something in someone's face about dates and crowns and capes. You are quite something. It is just like you telling me to go post on the Queen forums and I couldn't find any recent posts from you. You gotta walk the walk to talk the talk and you are a big hypocrite since you do none of the things you keep telling me to do. You do hold it against Roger and Brian that they are still performing and with Adam of all people. Don't give me that because I don't believe you for a second.

snifflese wrote: You are absolutely tone deaf and thick as a brick, Icy. I don't want to discuss Queen and Freddie, what don't you understand about that? It is not as if I haven't told you this many, many times. There is a world of difference between you who loves Freddie and is always talking about him and yet I have never seen a post that has something interesting about him or his music that you have written. I have been stuck reading your posts for years and they are always the same, no Queen info or anything substantial, always like the crap you post here. You should be the person posting about your love of him and his music on these boards. Then you tell me to, although I have told you that I have no desire to do so ever and somehow I am a hypocrite because I don't?? In what universe does that even make any sense? Wow, I can't believe that you would say anything so ludicrous! You don't like them performing with Adam because he is too close to Freddie for your taste. That IMO is the crux of the matter. If Roger and Brian toured with someone that wasn't all that great and they weren't as big as they are now, you would have no issue. You don't like their success and you resent Adam because he is part of what is so successful with their playing together. I could care less who you like or don't like. That is your prerogative. I just have a problem with your lording it over everyone, as if this were your domain and we all need to kowtow to you and we are not allowed to have any opinions unless they parrot yours or we will incur the wrath of Icy. It kind of sucks the joy out of this place totally.

snifflese wrote: OK, Lady, what do you ever discuss since you are the biggest Freddie lover on here? I have not seen one tid bit of info about Freddie or Queen or anything unless you were throwing something in someone's face about dates and crowns and capes. You are quite something. It is just like you telling me to go post on the Queen forums and I couldn't find any recent posts from you. You gotta walk the walk to talk the talk and you are a big hypocrite since you do none of the things you keep telling me to do. You do hold it against Roger and Brian that they are still performing and with Adam of all people. Don't give me that because I don't believe you for a second.

SweetCaroline wrote: I don’t know how he does it night after night during a tour.

snifflese wrote: Adam is saving his energy for the vocals, which are way more important than running all over the stage like a madman. I have been to three QAL concerts and he moves a lot more than you think. I believe he tries to highlight Brian and not be zooming all over taking the limelight instead of Brian. In his own tours he can zoom quite a bit. If you move too much it can affect the vocals, however I doubt that is the issue since he can sing perfectly from a prone position which is extremely hard to do. Each performer is different and Freddie was the star so everyone watched him. Adam wants Brian to get his due so he isn't nearly so busy otherwise people would be more apt to follow him and not watch the others. YMMV. But I don't think it can be called laziness. Singing for close to 2 1/2 hours is draining no matter how much one moves on stage and his voice is never diminished, the same from start to finish, so he may also be conserving energy to sing really well. I would rather hear great singing than someone who darts all over and the vocals suffer. There is a fine line there. I am not speaking specifically about Freddie, but have noticed this with other performers who are much too frantic on stage and they don't sound as good as they should.

SweetCaroline wrote: Ha, Adam has very long legs and doesn't have to dart around to cover the same amount of space that Freddie covered. He just glides a couple of times and he is back to the middle of the stage. I admit he doesn’t climb all over the set like Freddie did but he does manage to maneuver the steps pretty well even with those 4 inch heels.

ST16 wrote: Snifflese That was a ridiculous comment when you said "You dont like them performing with Adam because he is too close to Freddie for your taste" that is just insulting Freddie. Adam could never be Freddie in a billion years he more like Boy George or a camp Bono. Freddie has talent he is multi mega talented and would blow Adam off that stage if he was still here.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

snifflese wrote: Adam is saving his energy for the vocals, which are way more important than running all over the stage like a madman. I have been to three QAL concerts and he moves a lot more than you think. I believe he tries to highlight Brian and not be zooming all over taking the limelight instead of Brian. In his own tours he can zoom quite a bit. If you move too much it can affect the vocals, however I doubt that is the issue since he can sing perfectly from a prone position which is extremely hard to do. Each performer is different and Freddie was the star so everyone watched him. Adam wants Brian to get his due so he isn't nearly so busy otherwise people would be more apt to follow him and not watch the others. YMMV. But I don't think it can be called laziness. Singing for close to 2 1/2 hours is draining no matter how much one moves on stage and his voice is never diminished, the same from start to finish, so he may also be conserving energy to sing really well. I would rather hear great singing than someone who darts all over and the vocals suffer. There is a fine line there. I am not speaking specifically about Freddie, but have noticed this with other performers who are much too frantic on stage and they don't sound as good as they should.

I love how people use Brian as an excuse for Adam’s lack of athletics... I’ve watched Adam doing solo concerts... doing rap signs with his hands isn’t athletic. He enjoys standing in one place for the most part. Freddie’s vocals didn’t suffer from moving around.