philip storey 24.01.2020 12:10 |
I Have been thinking that some Album tracks could have made some good singles and might have been better choices than some that Queen put out,1]Liar/Great King Rat, 2]Funny How Love Is 3]Tenement Funster 4] Long Away . 5]You And I 6]Who Needs You.7Dead On Time .8]Fun It 9] Rock It .10]Dancer.I'm sure you have your own choices and some of the albums I have not looked at yet. |
dave76 24.01.2020 12:24 |
Queen (Doing All Right), Queen II (Father To Son), Sheer Heart Attack (In The Lap Of The Gods), A Night At The Opera (Sweet Lady), A Day At The Races (You Take My Breath Away), News Of The World (My Melancholy Blues), Jazz (Jealousy), The Game (Sail Away Sweet Sister), Hot Space (Life Is Real), The Works (Keep Passing The Open Windows), A Kind Of Magic (Princess Of The Universe), The Miracle (Was It All Worth It), Innuendo (I Can't Live With You), Made In Heaven (Mother Love) Bear in mind that in some parts of the world some titles above were released as singles. Liar was released as a single in the US but oh my god, what they've done with that... don't get me started. |
PrimeJiveUSA 24.01.2020 14:07 |
I always thought Ride the Wild Wind was a missed opportunity. I think it would have been big in the U.S.. Also, Who Wants to Live Forever should have been released as the single in America and would have changed the fortunes for AKOM. |
KJ 24.01.2020 15:25 |
I can't think of any track that should have been a single. But I can think of tracks that were not suited as a single (in my opinion): Long away, it's late, mustapha, jealousy, need your loving tonight, staying power, back chat, one year of love PISCTP. |
Holly2003 24.01.2020 15:30 |
They should have released "Fat Bottomed Girls" in 1974 instead of waiting until 1978. They were already playing it live and according to the movie it got a good reception. |
matt z 24.01.2020 16:09 |
Agree with Dave until ADATR -HS. Those tracks are def B- Sides ADATR : You And I, b: Millionaire NOTW : It's Late/GDML Jazz: ....none of em that weren't already done THE GAME: Dragon Attack, b: SASS (just shift it to the b side) And gotta agree on AKOM singles.... U.S. choices were retarded. no idea about the commercial appeal of Ride The Wild Wind, but it IS a fantastic driven song |
Makka 24.01.2020 16:58 |
You And I is the main one that comes to mind. |
stevelondon20 24.01.2020 18:31 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote: I always thought Ride the Wild Wind was a missed opportunity. I think it would have been big in the U.S.. Also, Who Wants to Live Forever should have been released as the single in America and would have changed the fortunes for AKOM.It was released in Poland and went to Number 1. |
philip storey 24.01.2020 18:41 |
I think Hot Space could have done better if they had replaced "Body Language" and "Back Chat" with "Dancer" and "Action This Day." As for "Calling All Girls" I would have gone for "Life Is Real."That track very much reminds me of "It's A Hard Life." |
MyHumanZoo 24.01.2020 19:10 |
Agreed PrimeJive, I think Ride The Wild Wind is a great song, it would have done well in the US. |
cobohall 24.01.2020 20:50 |
Anything off of Hot Space, other than Body Language. Freddie shitting in an empty Sprite can while combing his hair with astroturf would have been a better choice. So, in other words, anything off of Hot Space, or Whitesnake's1982 Saints and Sinners album(which I've never heard) would have been a better single to release. How the fuck did that single happen? |
*goodco* 24.01.2020 21:09 |
Holly2003 wrote: They should have released "Fat Bottomed Girls" in 1974 instead of waiting until 1978. They were already playing it live and according to the movie it got a good reception.Bravo! :-) I was going to say 'Father to Son', but, oh gawd, I would have hated to hear a four minute butchered version. Obvious choice: Stone Cold Crazy |
*goodco* 24.01.2020 21:09 |
damn all the double posts................ |
Nathan H 24.01.2020 21:23 |
You And I in my opinion is the most commercial album track Queen never released as a single. I'm guessing the reason why they didn't release it was because it would've been deemed too similar to You're My Best Friend - especially if they released the song after Somebody To Love, the press would've rotten Queen because they would've accused them of using a formula which they knew produces hit singles; in terms of technicality, Somebody To Love sounds similar to Bohemian Rhapsody and YAI sounds like the follow-up to YMBF. I personally rather YAI to YMBF - and Freddie said that he thought John's songwriting was getting a lot better by that point. I think that Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy should've been the b-side to Tie Your Mother Down and YAI the lead track on the EP as it slightly edges GOFLB on commerabilty (a dramatic intro and outro, and catchy, singalong lyrics) plus it would've meant an equal share of writing credits on the EP too. |
mooghead 24.01.2020 21:30 |
I sometimes forget that GOFLB exists. Technically its a great song but slips under the radar. If (when) Queen re re re release A Day at the Races and Greatest Hits would anyone notice if it wasn't there? |
Nathan H 24.01.2020 21:35 |
Ogre Battle or The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke was rumoured or suggested to be a possible follow-up single to Seven Seas Of Rhye. I can't remember where I read that but it's always been odd why there was only one single. In my opinion I reckon that this would've been a great single... A: In The Lap Of The Gods... Revisited (edited version with two choruses removed) / B: Stone Cold Crazy This single would've reflected Queen's live show at this point with both being live staples on subsequent tours. |
mooghead 24.01.2020 21:54 |
They would all have been horrendous choices for singles. |
SweetCarolina 24.01.2020 22:49 |
Queen - Great King Rat Queen II - Father To Son SHA - In The Lap Of The Gods..Rev ANATO - 39 ADATR - You Take My Breath Away NOTW - Sheer Heart Attack Jazz - Dead On Time The Game - Dragon Attack Flash - The Hero Hot Space - Life Is Real The Works - Tear It Up A Kind Of Magic - Dont Lose Your Head The Miracle - Was It All Worth it Innuendo - I cant Live With You Made In Heaven - MOther Love |
k-m 25.01.2020 00:28 |
stevelondon20 wrote:Nice to see lots of appreciation here for Ride the Wild Wind. I also think it's fantastic. What I think happened in Poland though is that the biggest Polish radio station at the time, which had a very popular chart show, decided they didn't like Headlong as a single and added The Show Must Go On to their playlist instead. That was in the summer, it did well and peaked at no. 3. It dropped out from the chart in early autumn, around the time it was officially released as a single in Europe. So, the same radio station had to figure out another replacement and they went with Ride the Wild Wind. Initially, it was also doing well, but not as well as The Show... and peaked at no. 14 while Freddie was still alive. It was still in the Top 20 in the week of his death and the following week it started to climb again, eventually reaching no. 1, as you said. The radio DJ who hosted the chart show (and still does) admitted some time later they made a mistake when they added The Show Must Go On to their playlist so early, because it wasn't in the chart anymore when Freddie died and would have been their biggest hit of all time had they waited until autumn. Instead, this proud title belongs to Days of Our Lives which spent 58 weeks in the chart, including 14 at number 1.PrimeJiveUSA wrote: I always thought Ride the Wild Wind was a missed opportunity. I think it would have been big in the U.S.. Also, Who Wants to Live Forever should have been released as the single in America and would have changed the fortunes for AKOM.It was released in Poland and went to Number 1. |
PrimeJiveUSA 25.01.2020 03:15 |
stevelondon20 wrote:That's not surprising to me.PrimeJiveUSA wrote: I always thought Ride the Wild Wind was a missed opportunity. I think it would have been big in the U.S.. Also, Who Wants to Live Forever should have been released as the single in America and would have changed the fortunes for AKOM.It was released in Poland and went to Number 1. |
GreatKingFairyFeller 25.01.2020 05:00 |
I’ve always felt a lot of the songs on the 70’s albums seemed like singles. Here’s my attempt though at what should’ve been. Queen - Son and Daughter Queen ll - Ogre Battle (long intro would’ve been edited) SHA - Stone Cold Crazy and Brighton Rock ANATO - Love of My life or a seriously cut down version of The Prophets Song ADATR - White Man or The Millionaire Waltz NOTW - My Melancholy Blues with Who Needs you as the b side Jazz - If You can’t beat them with Dead on Time as the b side. Maybe Let Me Entertain You with Dreamers Ball as a b side as an American single. The Game - Dragon Attack Flash Gordon - The Hero with The Kiss or Football Fight as a B side Hot Space - Action This Day The Works - Tear it Up and maybe Man On the prowl A Kind if Magic - Princes of the universe The Miracle - Was it All Worth it Innuendo - A double a side of Bijou and The Hitman Made in Heaven - Mother Love or My life has been saved |
PrimeJiveUSA 25.01.2020 05:37 |
cobohall wrote: Anything off of Hot Space, other than Body Language. Freddie shitting in an empty Sprite can while combing his hair with astroturf would have been a better choice. So, in other words, anything off of Hot Space, or Whitesnake's1982 Saints and Sinners album(which I've never heard) would have been a better single to release. How the fuck did that single happen?Well...in America Body Language was a #11 hit. Here's a list of some famous Queen singles it charted higher than in the U.S.: Killer Queen You're My Best Friend Somebody to Love Bicycle Race Fat Bottomed Girls Flash's Theme Under Pressure Radio GA Ga |
cobohall 25.01.2020 08:10 |
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stevelondon20 25.01.2020 08:15 |
k-m wrote:It's a fantastic song. It also benefits from a freaking amazing solo!stevelondon20 wrote:Nice to see lots of appreciation here for Ride the Wild Wind. I also think it's fantastic. What I think happened in Poland though is that the biggest Polish radio station at the time, which had a very popular chart show, decided they didn't like Headlong as a single and added The Show Must Go On to their playlist instead. That was in the summer, it did well and peaked at no. 3. It dropped out from the chart in early autumn, around the time it was officially released as a single in Europe. So, the same radio station had to figure out another replacement and they went with Ride the Wild Wind. Initially, it was also doing well, but not as well as The Show... and peaked at no. 14 while Freddie was still alive. It was still in the Top 20 in the week of his death and the following week it started to climb again, eventually reaching no. 1, as you said. The radio DJ who hosted the chart show (and still does) admitted some time later they made a mistake when they added The Show Must Go On to their playlist so early, because it wasn't in the chart anymore when Freddie died and would have been their biggest hit of all time had they waited until autumn. Instead, this proud title belongs to Days of Our Lives which spent 58 weeks in the chart, including 14 at number 1.PrimeJiveUSA wrote: I always thought Ride the Wild Wind was a missed opportunity. I think it would have been big in the U.S.. Also, Who Wants to Live Forever should have been released as the single in America and would have changed the fortunes for AKOM.It was released in Poland and went to Number 1. |
rockchic65 25.01.2020 08:40 |
^^^ Agreed, Ride The Wild Wind is one of my favourites. |
cobohall 25.01.2020 08:42 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote:Tried to respond twice and user error, sorry.cobohall wrote: Anything off of Hot Space, other than Body Language. Freddie shitting in an empty Sprite can while combing his hair with astroturf would have been a better choice. So, in other words, anything off of Hot Space, or Whitesnake's1982 Saints and Sinners album(which I've never heard) would have been a better single to release. How the fuck did that single happen?Well...in America Body Language was a #11 hit. Here's a list of some famous Queen singles it charted higher than in the U.S.: Killer Queen You're My Best Friend Somebody to Love Bicycle Race Fat Bottomed Girls Flash's Theme Under Pressure Radio GA Ga Anyway, good point about BL charting higher than those other songs! I had no idea. But of all those songs it is the only one that received no certification (silver/gold/platinum). And it is the only one that is not remembered after all these years, except by die hard fans. And the only song that probably isn't played on US radio (you mentioned the US charts, so I mention the radio). And probably did more to hurt album sales rather than promote sales. |
k-m 25.01.2020 13:16 |
^^ Some good points there re Body Language. This shitty song benefited hugely from the success of The Game singles, there was a lot of anticipation in the States for something new from Queen, that's why it charted relatively high. Unfortunately for them, the bubble burst real fucking quick after that and the album sales were a disaster. No. 23 compared to The Game's few weeks at no. 1, that's surely quite a setback! |
AlbaNo1 25.01.2020 13:18 |
Queen’s singles stats in the US are pretty dire. Body Language must have got in that high somehow off the back of the Another One Bites The Dust and Crazy Little Thing Called Love through some record company trickery. It doesn’t make sense. |
Nathan H 26.01.2020 00:26 |
I don't really see the point of why Queen would've released any more singles in the 80s and 90s other than the ones they released as all the albums had at least four of them at least - perhaps alternative yes but non additional. The only exception is the soundtrack for Flash Gordon where the only other song which is single material is The Hero but Queen rarely released two singles consecutively both written by the same member, it literally never happened in the band's entire single career. TBH, I think Queen made mostly the right choices with UK singles but there were a couple mistakes IMO. There are certainly several songs from the 70s which could've made great singles, it was a shame that most of the albums only had two singles. You And I and In The Lap Of The Gods... Revisited I reckon are two of the most commercial ones. Though Stone Cold Crazy is a very influential track, I don't think it would've made a good single as it's very niche - it would only really appeal to heavy metal fans. Also, radio playlists would've not played heavy tracks early in the morning already limiting a possible market. This is probably why Queen's only three heavy, rock 'n' roll Top 10 singles in the UK are Seven Seas Of Rhye, One Vision and I Want It All. (TBH, I don't even think SSOR fits into this category as it's appearances on Top Of The Pops made it look more like glam rock compared to anything else. Also, I Want It All was seen as a comeback from Queen to the general public after their gap of nearly three years which may be the reason why the song charted at #3.) The matter of radio playlists is probably why Queen didn't release any more of these songs like Dead On Time, Put Out The Fire and Princes Of The Universe. Tie Your Mother Down was a single flop, which sort of made Queen rethink their singles strategy. |
k-m 26.01.2020 01:51 |
I think you might be missing the point, entirely.
Gen Z Music Fan wrote: I don't really see the point of why Queen would've released any more singles in the 80s and 90s other than the ones they released as all the albums had at least four of them at least - perhaps alternative yes but non additional. > Yes, that's what we're talking about, alternative singes, I think. No-one claimed here they should have released 6 singles from each album. The only exception is the soundtrack for Flash Gordon where the only other song which is single material is The Hero but Queen rarely released two singles consecutively both written by the same member, it literally never happened in the band's entire single career. TBH, I think Queen made mostly the right choices with UK singles but there were a couple mistakes IMO. > That's an interesting point actually, worth looking into. There are certainly several songs from the 70s which could've made great singles, it was a shame that most of the albums only had two singles. You And I and In The Lap Of The Gods... Revisited I reckon are two of the most commercial ones. Though Stone Cold Crazy is a very influential track, I don't think it would've made a good single as it's very niche - it would only really appeal to heavy metal fans. Also, radio playlists would've not played heavy tracks early in the morning already limiting a possible market. This is probably why Queen's only three heavy, rock 'n' roll Top 10 singles in the UK are Seven Seas Of Rhye, One Vision and I Want It All. > Here, I think you jumped too easily from the 70s and proper heavy songs to stuff like OV and IWIA which are still very radio-friendly in my opinion. Pop-rock. (TBH, I don't even think SSOR fits into this category as it's appearances on Top Of The Pops made it look more like glam rock compared to anything else. Also, I Want It All was seen as a comeback from Queen to the general public after their gap of nearly three years which may be the reason why the song charted at #3.) > Don't know. Three good weeks in the top 10 in a very saturated market at the time, that's a hit. The matter of radio playlists is probably why Queen didn't release any more of these songs like Dead On Time, Put Out The Fire and Princes Of The Universe. Tie Your Mother Down was a single flop, which sort of made Queen rethink their singles strategy.> Dead on Time would have never been a good single, too complicated and not catchy enough. The other two, fuck knows. |
PrimeJiveUSA 30.01.2020 05:19 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: Queen’s singles stats in the US are pretty dire. Body Language must have got in that high somehow off the back of the Another One Bites The Dust and Crazy Little Thing Called Love through some record company trickery. It doesn’t make sense.It was a bona fide hit that got a lot of airplay but burned out fast. I don't think it was "riding the coattails of The Game singles". If that were the case, then how do you explain Need Your Loving Tonight stalling at #44...Flash's Theme stalling at #42...Under Pressure stalling at #29? All of those were released AFTER Another One Bites the Dust and BEFORE Body Language. It burned out quickly because it is so repetitive and lacks substance but it's instantly catchy and grabs your attention so it quickly raced up the charts but has faded into obscurity in the decades since mainly because classic rock radio won't play it because it's just synth and drum machines. It's the only true American hit they won't touch because of that. |
PrimeJiveUSA 30.01.2020 05:24 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote:AlbaNo1 wrote: Queen’s singles stats in the US are pretty dire. Body Language must have got in that high somehow off the back of the Another One Bites The Dust and Crazy Little Thing Called Love through some record company trickery. It doesn’t make sense.It was a bona fide hit that got a lot of airplay but burned out fast. I don't think it was "riding the coattails of The Game singles". If that were the case, then how do you explain Need Your Loving Tonight stalling at #44...Flash's Theme stalling at #42...Under Pressure stalling at #29? All of those were released AFTER Another One Bites the Dust and BEFORE Body Language. It burned out quickly because it is so repetitive and lacks substance but it's instantly catchy and grabs your attention so it quickly raced up the charts but has faded into obscurity in the decades since mainly because classic rock radio won't play it because it's just synth and drum machines. It's the only true American hit they won't touch because of that. Well...Radio GA Ga, too. Just too synth for classic rock radio. |
k-m 30.01.2020 15:50 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote:PrimeJive, I understand you Americans need "special treatment" at times, but I'm pretty sure we would all have got your message without the CAPITALIZATION. Anyway, not so sure about its contents. Need Your Loving simply wasn't a great song and might have sounded like a Crazy Little Thing rip-off, while Flash's Theme was a very unusual pop song in terms of phrasing, structure, chorus etc. The relative flop of UP is a mystery though, that one is difficult to diagnose indeed. And no, you don't want me to elaborate on that.AlbaNo1 wrote: Queen’s singles stats in the US are pretty dire. Body Language must have got in that high somehow off the back of the Another One Bites The Dust and Crazy Little Thing Called Love through some record company trickery. It doesn’t make sense.It was a bona fide hit that got a lot of airplay but burned out fast. I don't think it was "riding the coattails of The Game singles". If that were the case, then how do you explain Need Your Loving Tonight stalling at #44...Flash's Theme stalling at #42...Under Pressure stalling at #29? All of those were released AFTER Another One Bites the Dust and BEFORE Body Language. It burned out quickly because it is so repetitive and lacks substance but it's instantly catchy and grabs your attention so it quickly raced up the charts but has faded into obscurity in the decades since mainly because classic rock radio won't play it because it's just synth and drum machines. It's the only true American hit they won't touch because of that. As for the second paragraph, that only applies to the US and, surprisingly, Poland. I don't think BL raced up the charts anywhere else. |
PrimeJiveUSA 31.01.2020 15:09 |
k-m wrote:Ah...what a classy, appropriate response. Yes, I'm an AMERICAN. *gasp* ALL CAPS!PrimeJiveUSA wrote:PrimeJive, I understand you Americans need "special treatment" at times, but I'm pretty sure we would all have got your message without the CAPITALIZATION. Anyway, not so sure about its contents. Need Your Loving simply wasn't a great song and might have sounded like a Crazy Little Thing rip-off, while Flash's Theme was a very unusual pop song in terms of phrasing, structure, chorus etc. The relative flop of UP is a mystery though, that one is difficult to diagnose indeed. And no, you don't want me to elaborate on that. As for the second paragraph, that only applies to the US and, surprisingly, Poland. I don't think BL raced up the charts anywhere else.AlbaNo1 wrote: Queen’s singles stats in the US are pretty dire. Body Language must have got in that high somehow off the back of the Another One Bites The Dust and Crazy Little Thing Called Love through some record company trickery. It doesn’t make sense.It was a bona fide hit that got a lot of airplay but burned out fast. I don't think it was "riding the coattails of The Game singles". If that were the case, then how do you explain Need Your Loving Tonight stalling at #44...Flash's Theme stalling at #42...Under Pressure stalling at #29? All of those were released AFTER Another One Bites the Dust and BEFORE Body Language. It burned out quickly because it is so repetitive and lacks substance but it's instantly catchy and grabs your attention so it quickly raced up the charts but has faded into obscurity in the decades since mainly because classic rock radio won't play it because it's just synth and drum machines. It's the only true American hit they won't touch because of that. Ok I'll steer clear of using caps for emphasis. There are no bold or italics bar that I can find on this site. I was responding to you and AlbaNo1's saying it was "riding on the Game's coattails", correct? I listed the three singles that preceded Body Language and you offered garbled excuses for each one. None of which makes them as bad as "shitty" which is what you called BL. I guess I couldn't handle the "truth" on UP's lack of success, huh? Ok. That settles it. How silly of me to even bring up the three preceding singles.. Two were brand new releases that weren't on The Game album (one of which was a surprise collaboration with one of the world's most iconic rock stars). Body Language's success was obviously riding on the Game's coattails and had nothing to do with the song being immediately appealing in and of itself. Yeah...I kinda made it clear from the beginning I was talking about it's performance in the American market and it appeared the record company made a correct choice judging by its chart placement. If you can put your obvious prejudices aside, you'd have to agree that the American market was not insignificant, no? It was only the biggest single market in the world. You said it yourself "there was a lot of anticipation for something new in the States" and they got two shots of "something new" before Body Language and they didn't chart well but you still say "this shitty song(BL) benefited highly from the success of The Game singles". Work a little more on your intellectual prowess/reasoning and less on bigoted feelings towards my nationality and maybe you can make a more persuasive case next time. |
Saint Jiub 31.01.2020 19:38 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote:^ Thisk-m wrote:Ah...what a classy, appropriate response. Yes, I'm an AMERICAN. *gasp* ALL CAPS! Ok I'll steer clear of using caps for emphasis. There are no bold or italics bar that I can find on this site. I was responding to you and AlbaNo1's saying it was "riding on the Game's coattails", correct? I listed the three singles that preceded Body Language and you offered garbled excuses for each one. None of which makes them as bad as "shitty" which is what you called BL. I guess I couldn't handle the "truth" on UP's lack of success, huh? Ok. That settles it. How silly of me to even bring up the three preceding singles.. Two were brand new releases that weren't on The Game album (one of which was a surprise collaboration with one of the world's most iconic rock stars). Body Language's success was obviously riding on the Game's coattails and had nothing to do with the song being immediately appealing in and of itself. Yeah...I kinda made it clear from the beginning I was talking about it's performance in the American market and it appeared the record company made a correct choice judging by its chart placement. If you can put your obvious prejudices aside, you'd have to agree that the American market was not insignificant, no? It was only the biggest single market in the world. You said it yourself "there was a lot of anticipation for something new in the States" and they got two shots of "something new" before Body Language and they didn't chart well but you still say "this shitty song(BL) benefited highly from the success of The Game singles". Work a little more on your intellectual prowess/reasoning and less on bigoted feelings towards my nationality and maybe you can make a more persuasive case next time.PrimeJiveUSA wrote:PrimeJive, I understand you Americans need "special treatment" at times, but I'm pretty sure we would all have got your message without the CAPITALIZATION. Anyway, not so sure about its contents. Need Your Loving simply wasn't a great song and might have sounded like a Crazy Little Thing rip-off, while Flash's Theme was a very unusual pop song in terms of phrasing, structure, chorus etc. The relative flop of UP is a mystery though, that one is difficult to diagnose indeed. And no, you don't want me to elaborate on that. As for the second paragraph, that only applies to the US and, surprisingly, Poland. I don't think BL raced up the charts anywhere else.AlbaNo1 wrote: Queen’s singles stats in the US are pretty dire. Body Language must have got in that high somehow off the back of the Another One Bites The Dust and Crazy Little Thing Called Love through some record company trickery. It doesn’t make sense.It was a bona fide hit that got a lot of airplay but burned out fast. I don't think it was "riding the coattails of The Game singles". If that were the case, then how do you explain Need Your Loving Tonight stalling at #44...Flash's Theme stalling at #42...Under Pressure stalling at #29? All of those were released AFTER Another One Bites the Dust and BEFORE Body Language. It burned out quickly because it is so repetitive and lacks substance but it's instantly catchy and grabs your attention so it quickly raced up the charts but has faded into obscurity in the decades since mainly because classic rock radio won't play it because it's just synth and drum machines. It's the only true American hit they won't touch because of that. Using all caps on TWO words is not a cardinal sin. Unfortunately the sparing use of all caps was apparently not enough draw attention to the lack of success of three previous singles ... |
k-m 01.02.2020 20:42 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote:Gosh man, what a rambling, incoherent response it is. You're just repeating the same thing over and over again.k-m wrote:Ah...what a classy, appropriate response. Yes, I'm an AMERICAN. *gasp* ALL CAPS! Ok I'll steer clear of using caps for emphasis. There are no bold or italics bar that I can find on this site. I was responding to you and AlbaNo1's saying it was "riding on the Game's coattails", correct? I listed the three singles that preceded Body Language and you offered garbled excuses for each one. None of which makes them as bad as "shitty" which is what you called BL. I guess I couldn't handle the "truth" on UP's lack of success, huh? Ok. That settles it. How silly of me to even bring up the three preceding singles.. Two were brand new releases that weren't on The Game album (one of which was a surprise collaboration with one of the world's most iconic rock stars). Body Language's success was obviously riding on the Game's coattails and had nothing to do with the song being immediately appealing in and of itself. Yeah...I kinda made it clear from the beginning I was talking about it's performance in the American market and it appeared the record company made a correct choice judging by its chart placement. If you can put your obvious prejudices aside, you'd have to agree that the American market was not insignificant, no? It was only the biggest single market in the world. You said it yourself "there was a lot of anticipation for something new in the States" and they got two shots of "something new" before Body Language and they didn't chart well but you still say "this shitty song(BL) benefited highly from the success of The Game singles". Work a little more on your intellectual prowess/reasoning and less on bigoted feelings towards my nationality and maybe you can make a more persuasive case next time.PrimeJiveUSA wrote:PrimeJive, I understand you Americans need "special treatment" at times, but I'm pretty sure we would all have got your message without the CAPITALIZATION. Anyway, not so sure about its contents. Need Your Loving simply wasn't a great song and might have sounded like a Crazy Little Thing rip-off, while Flash's Theme was a very unusual pop song in terms of phrasing, structure, chorus etc. The relative flop of UP is a mystery though, that one is difficult to diagnose indeed. And no, you don't want me to elaborate on that. As for the second paragraph, that only applies to the US and, surprisingly, Poland. I don't think BL raced up the charts anywhere else.AlbaNo1 wrote: Queen’s singles stats in the US are pretty dire. Body Language must have got in that high somehow off the back of the Another One Bites The Dust and Crazy Little Thing Called Love through some record company trickery. It doesn’t make sense.It was a bona fide hit that got a lot of airplay but burned out fast. I don't think it was "riding the coattails of The Game singles". If that were the case, then how do you explain Need Your Loving Tonight stalling at #44...Flash's Theme stalling at #42...Under Pressure stalling at #29? All of those were released AFTER Another One Bites the Dust and BEFORE Body Language. It burned out quickly because it is so repetitive and lacks substance but it's instantly catchy and grabs your attention so it quickly raced up the charts but has faded into obscurity in the decades since mainly because classic rock radio won't play it because it's just synth and drum machines. It's the only true American hit they won't touch because of that. First of all, you do realize my comment was tongue in cheek, right? I'm from the UK and I'd be the first to admit we're a bunch of proper morons as well. I mean, hello, we just did Brexit. Just chill man. Can you tell me what was garbled about my "excuses" for NYLT and FT's lack of great success? You also wrote: "I guess I couldn't handle the "truth" on UP's lack of success, huh?" While I wrote: "The relative flop of UP is a mystery though, that one is difficult to diagnose indeed." What on earth are you talking about then? And finally, there is nothing wrong or insulting with calling BL "shitty". You may disagree of course, but there is nothing vulgar about that. |
PrimeJiveUSA 01.02.2020 23:58 |
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PrimeJiveUSA 02.02.2020 00:46 |
@k-m Look...I appreciate when someone steps forward with grace and humility and admitts that they are a "proper moron". I really do. Now, I disagree with you also lumping all of your fellow countrymen into that basket but in regards to you I agree with your self-assesment. However, I still don't see how you've adequately answered my original question of how Body Language 'heavily benefitted from the coattails of The Game's success" in America with 2 years and three failed singles separating it from AOBTD. Remember, I asked you why those three singles didn't appear to benefit and you said: NYLT(Sept 1980)=not a great song/might be seen as a CLTCL rip-off FT(Dec 1980)=very unusual structure, phrasing, chorus UP(Oct 1981)=a mystery hard to diagnose but then added "And no, you don't want me to elaborate." Then...we finally see the release of: BL(Apr.1982)=you call it a "shitty song"(and no I'm not at all insulted or offended by that word) BL, of course, charted much higher than any of them. Why do you hold the position that the "shitty song" released 2 years later benefited from "The Game's coattails", but the superior songs that immediately followed AOBTD didn't? I mean, according to you, those Game coattails were powerful enough to turn "shit" into a "hit"! Yes...your reasoning seems "garbled" to me. Connect the dots, please? |
philip storey 02.02.2020 13:38 |
Gen Z you stated that Queen after the flop of TYMD they decided against heavy songs being released as singles.You have forgotten about Hammer To Fall.Queen heavy rock which was a hit all over Europe.They even released the fab "Headbangers Mix" 12 inch remix. |
PrimeJiveUSA 02.02.2020 17:33 |
k-m wrote: ^^ Some good points there re Body Language. This shitty song benefited hugely from the success of The Game singles, there was a lot of anticipation in the States for something new from Queen, that's why it charted relatively high.What's funny about this is every one of The Game's singles didn't even "benefit" from the one before it. CLTCL was released a half year before the release of the Album and hit #1. The next release, Play the Game, was the first single to officially kick off The Game's release and it stalled at # 42. It couldn't even manage to crack the top 40! As we know...the exact same pattern happened with the Game's next two singles AOBTD(#1) and NYLT(#44). Fast forward a year and a half later and Queen set up Hot Space the exact same way as The Game with a single Under Pressure(featuring David Bowie to boot!) 6 months ahead of the album's release but this time it doesn't turn out as well. It stalls at # 29. Body Language is released. 6 months later and markedly improves on UP's performance by 18 chart points at #11. Even at Queen's peak of popularity in America they had to earn every hit. None of their single successes really carried over to the next one. Did WWRY/WATC's massive success carry over to the lead off single to Jazz? Not really. FBG/BR stalled at #24. |
k-m 02.02.2020 22:45 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote:Well, ok, that I like better. You have obviously been there, you might have more knowledge regarding the immediate effect of particular songs. On paper, it always looked to me like BL benefitted hugely from The Game, especially that it flopped almost everywhere else but ok, happy to accept it was a bona fide US hit. Next time, don't get so offended by a few cheeky comments, you should be used to it by now after Gervais hosting the Globes so many times. We do like a bit of a joke at your expense, of course. I mean, who else would follow their nick with the name of the country they come from, lol.k-m wrote: ^^ Some good points there re Body Language. This shitty song benefited hugely from the success of The Game singles, there was a lot of anticipation in the States for something new from Queen, that's why it charted relatively high.What's funny about this is every one of The Game's singles didn't even "benefit" from the one before it. CLTCL was released a half year before the release of the Album and hit #1. The next release, Play the Game, was the first single to officially kick off The Game's release and it stalled at # 42. It couldn't even manage to crack the top 40! As we know...the exact same pattern happened with the Game's next two singles AOBTD(#1) and NYLT(#44). Fast forward a year and a half later and Queen set up Hot Space the exact same way as The Game with a single Under Pressure(featuring David Bowie to boot!) 6 months ahead of the album's release but this time it doesn't turn out as well. It stalls at # 29. Body Language is released. 6 months later and markedly improves on UP's performance by 18 chart points at #11. Even at Queen's peak of popularity in America they had to earn every hit. None of their single successes really carried over to the next one. Did WWRY/WATC's massive success carry over to the lead off single to Jazz? Not really. FBG/BR stalled at #24. |
PrimeJiveUSA 03.02.2020 00:56 |
k-m wrote:I love Ricky Gervais!PrimeJiveUSA wrote:Well, ok, that I like better. You have obviously been there, you might have more knowledge regarding the immediate effect of particular songs. On paper, it always looked to me like BL benefitted hugely from The Game, especially that it flopped almost everywhere else but ok, happy to accept it was a bona fide US hit. Next time, don't get so offended by a few cheeky comments, you should be used to it by now after Gervais hosting the Globes so many times. We do like a bit of a joke at your expense, of course. I mean, who else would follow their nick with the name of the country they come from, lol.k-m wrote: ^^ Some good points there re Body Language. This shitty song benefited hugely from the success of The Game singles, there was a lot of anticipation in the States for something new from Queen, that's why it charted relatively high.What's funny about this is every one of The Game's singles didn't even "benefit" from the one before it. CLTCL was released a half year before the release of the Album and hit #1. The next release, Play the Game, was the first single to officially kick off The Game's release and it stalled at # 42. It couldn't even manage to crack the top 40! As we know...the exact same pattern happened with the Game's next two singles AOBTD(#1) and NYLT(#44). Fast forward a year and a half later and Queen set up Hot Space the exact same way as The Game with a single Under Pressure(featuring David Bowie to boot!) 6 months ahead of the album's release but this time it doesn't turn out as well. It stalls at # 29. Body Language is released. 6 months later and markedly improves on UP's performance by 18 chart points at #11. Even at Queen's peak of popularity in America they had to earn every hit. None of their single successes really carried over to the next one. Did WWRY/WATC's massive success carry over to the lead off single to Jazz? Not really. FBG/BR stalled at #24. This whole conversation was triggered by many in this thread wondering just why the hell Body Language was released as a single and just wanted to point out that it was more successful than most of their singles in the U.S. at least in the short term. It made sense for American radio at that time when songs like Olivia Newton John's "Physical" were all the rage. |
k-m 03.02.2020 11:56 |
^^ Cool, you made your point. Obviously, this strategy backfired anyway in terms of album sales, so it might have been the case the single was picked up by people who wouldn't normally listen to Queen, while the real fanbase made sure the album tanked, lol. |
PrimeJiveUSA 03.02.2020 13:52 |
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PrimeJiveUSA 03.02.2020 14:07 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote:PrimeJiveUSA wrote:PrimeJiveUSA wrote:k-m wrote: ^^ Cool, you made your point. Obviously, this strategy backfired anyway in terms of album sales, so it might have been the case the single was picked up by people who wouldn't normally listen to Queen, while the real fanbase made sure the album tanked, lol.At that point, Queen fans had gotten used to Queen's bent for "novelty" singles and it wouldn't of failed as badly if Body Language was the only "electro-dance" track but when word got out that the whole first side was made up of that and the second side was kind of boring and unremarkable...well...the album kinda killed itself. I mean the first song on the album was in-your-face funk/ dance with horns! DJ' s on album rock radio were saying bad things about the Album on air.. I don't know what else could have been released off of that album that would have been a successful single in America. Calling All Girls couldn't even crack the top 60. When Play the Game couldn't even crack the top 40 previously I don't see how something like Las Palabras would have fared any better. Put Out the Fire wouldn't have even got out of the gate. An unruly beast that Hot Space album was. |