| Diehardqueenie 01.01.2020 01:50 |
Everyone knows Freddie and his family believed in Zoroastrianism, but he probably faded away from it when he became famous (at least a little bit). I don’t know if he still fully believed in it or if he just stopped believing it at all, but I just got a Freddie Mercury Biography that says Freddie’s family said people claimed he became a Christian a few months before his death. I’m now very interested in this topic and wonder if this is true. He did write many songs that have lines about God and even a song that is called Jesus. I think it’s very obvious that Freddie was interested in the below and above so it’s not like he only wrote about God, but I don’t think it comes from nowhere. Maybe he gave his life to God because he knew he was going to die and was worrying about “afterlife”, who knows. He probably knew there was because he was religious. Of course we can’t know this for sure but I’m interested to hear your opinions on this. So how strong Freddie’s beliefs were when he became famous and where he actually believed in, especially in the later years. |
| brENsKi 01.01.2020 10:11 |
No idea as to Freddie's conversion status - or even if he held onto his "birth faith" beyond his school days. However, I will say this: Jesus was present in more than one faith/religion, so I wouldn't hinge the Christianity thing on one song from 1973. In much the same way as you'd be completely wrong to base any conversion to Islam based on the song "Mustapha". References to "God" are non-specific in context. God is the supreme being/beings in every religion - not solely Christianity. Some religions give their God(s) name(s) - others just refer to God as God (or language equivalent). If you've a desire to be literal about the God references consider one of Freddie's finest songs to contain the "G bomb" Was It All Worth It? We went to Bali, saw God and Dali So mystic, surrealistic Bali's major religion is Hinduism (84%) with Christianity, Islam and Buddhism representing smaller numbers of the the population. If you really wanted to hang you hat on anything - based on one song alone, then Hinduism may be the better candidate. This thinking could even extend with regard to "The Miracle" album cover - which could be interpreted as representative of Brahma the four-headed God - a nice link to Hinduism and Buddhism. See? - it's easy to attach meaning where we "see" it. Doesn't mean it's right, though. My own opinion? I don't think Freddie was ever religious - even at the end. I think he was very intelligent (as far as art and literature were concerned), and liked to base his songs on his acquired learning. This is something that most major rock stars from 60/70s tended to do: "showing their workings" - as it were. Here's just a couple of examples: Fairy Feller - based on Dadd's painting. My Fairy King - has a passage "lifted" Robert Browning's "The Pied Piper" |
| stevelondon20 01.01.2020 11:34 |
brENsKi wrote: No idea as to Freddie's conversion status - or even if he held onto his "birth faith" beyond his school days. However, I will say this: Jesus was present in more than one faith/religion, so I wouldn't hinge the Christianity thing on one song from 1973. In much the same way as you'd be completely wrong to base any conversion to Islam based on the song "Mustapha". References to "God" are non-specific in context. God is the supreme being/beings in every religion - not solely Christianity. Some religions give their God(s) name(s) - others just refer to God as God (or language equivalent). If you've a desire to be literal about the God references consider one of Freddie's finest songs to contain the "G bomb" Was It All Worth It? We went to Bali, saw God and Dali So mystic, surrealistic Bali's major religion is Hinduism (84%) with Christianity, Islam and Buddhism representing smaller numbers of the the population. If you really wanted to hang you hat on anything - based on one song alone, then Hinduism may be the better candidate. This thinking could even extend with regard to "The Miracle" album cover - which could be interpreted as representative of Brahma the four-headed God - a nice link to Hinduism and Buddhism. See? - it's easy to attach meaning where we "see" it. Doesn't mean it's right, though. My own opinion? I don't think Freddie was ever religious - even at the end. I think he was very intelligent (as far as art and literature were concerned), and liked to base his songs on his acquired learning. This is something that most major rock stars from 60/70s tended to do: "showing their workings" - as it were. Here's just a couple of examples: Fairy Feller - based on Dadd's painting. My Fairy King - has a passage from Robert Browning's "The Pied Piper"Great post mate. |
| AlbaNo1 01.01.2020 11:52 |
Some excellent analysis above indeed. My take was that he was theologically literate, fairly spiritual and optimistic in nature which might have him inclined him towards faith in his last couple of years. But it would have been a general one. That said I don’t even know how much he was into Paul Rodgers let alone God. |
| oligneisti 01.01.2020 12:38 |
I think he was more of an Anglophile than an Anglican. |
| Holly2003 01.01.2020 13:16 |
brENsKi wrote: I think he was very intelligent (as far as art and literature were concerned), and liked to base his songs on his acquired learning. This is something that most major rock stars from 60/70s tended to do: "showing their workings" - as it were. Here's just a couple of examples: Fairy Feller - based on Dadd's painting. My Fairy King - has a passage "lifted" Robert Browning's "The Pied Piper" That's true to a certain extent, especially in the first 2 albums. And you could add Bo Rap and IAHL as examples of a basic knowledge of opera. Aside from that I'm struggling to think of any songs influenced by art, literature etc. Quite quickly, Fred started writing mainly about relationships and never really went back to those early days. |
| brENsKi 01.01.2020 14:08 |
Holly2003 wrote: That's true to a certain extent, especially in the first 2 albums. And you could add Bo Rap and IAHL as examples of a basic knowledge of opera. Aside from that I'm struggling to think of any songs influenced by art, literature etc. Quite quickly, Fred started writing mainly about relationships and never really went back to those early days.Agreed. But I wasn't really arguing the case for/against Freddie's use of art/literature, I was merely citing them as the leanings of most 60/70s bands, Songs like, Ogre, SSOR, Jesus, GKR, MOTBQ, Liar, LoTV and Bo Rhap etc tell stories, so the inspiration is really art/literature - even if there's not an obvious "inspired by". The late 60s / early 70s were very "proggy" and artists often wrote from a story-telling perspective. Jesus/Bible and other religions were literary props for song-writing. Of course, bands matured and the moved away from their initial leanings. More reality, less fiction. When all is said and done, my comparison was really about religion being "just another" subject for his writing - and, more importantly - how "anything" can be interpreted from the simple use of "God" in one line of a song. |
| mooghead 01.01.2020 17:48 |
He wrote a very specific song about the nativity for the first album. I think it is fair to say his 'Zoroastrianism' 'Parsi' upbringing wasn't really that important to him. He was outlived by his mother, hence the funeral he had. Taking into account the life he lived I think it's a fair assumption that he didn't give two shits about any of that nonsense. |
| Helena Dax 01.01.2020 19:36 |
I think he took the general point of Zoroastrianism -good words, good thoughts, good deeds- and tried to live by it, forgetting about the rest. |
| brENsKi 01.01.2020 22:25 |
Helena Dax wrote: I think he took the general point of Zoroastrianism -good words, good thoughts, good deeds- and tried to live by it, forgetting about the rest.wiki is your friend. |
| matt z 02.01.2020 01:13 |
Freddie was a Mormon ....an insatiable conviction to "More Men". |
| miraclesteinway 02.01.2020 03:26 |
Freddie's sister described him as "not religious" in an interview, although he was respectful of his family's traditions. Jim Hutton described in an interview that near the end of his life he'd hear Freddie whispering, and Jim said "what are you doing?" and Freddie said "saying my prayers". Montserrat Caballe said in an interview that Freddie believed in God but didn't use traditionally religious terminology for these things. If I can find the source for that interview I will post it here later. It's probably accurate to say that Freddie was did not adhere to any organised religion but rather had some of his own private beliefs that may or may not have changed throughout the course of his life. I think the school he attended in India was a Catholic school, but that doesn't mean he was ever a Catholic. |
| MyHumanZoo 02.01.2020 20:17 |
This is an interesting topic, Diehard. Based on the extensive biblical content and references in many of his songs, especially the early ones, it’s easy to see he was quite knowledgeable about Christianity. I would guess that his catholic school upbringing had a big effect on him, where he probably had to learn the biblical principles and history. Whether he took those to heart and adhered to them is the real question. He may have just been spitting out references to things he learned that sounded ethereal and cool when in song. But he also wrote Great King Rat which seems to support the coming of evil and following that. It could just be a young man’s rebellious streak coming out against his catholic upbringing, and maybe applying some shock value as well? Perhaps as he aged and the consequences of his hedonistic lifestyle registered he reflected back on his catholic roots and returned to a level of Christianity. His funeral was not traditionally Christian, but that does not mean much, as he may have just wanted to honor his parent’s faith, which could also be considered a branch of Christianity anyway. One interesting thing is his discontinuing any manner of physical relationship with Jim Hutton. Obviously his deteriorating physical condition was mainly responsible, but was there an element of regret and review of his sexuality? Most likely not, but interesting to consider. Sadly it was between him and God as to whether he repented and came to know Jesus so we’ll never know for sure. As a Christian myself, I really hope that he did! : ) |
| brENsKi 02.01.2020 22:27 |
MyHumanZoo wrote:Perhaps as he aged and the consequences of his hedonistic lifestyle registered he reflected back on his catholic roots and returned to a level of Christianity. His funeral was not traditionally Christian, but that does not mean much, as he may have just wanted to honor his parent’s faith, which could also be considered a branch of Christianity anyway.He did not have Catholic roots. He may have been taught in a Catholic school - but that is NOT the same thing. I was born catholic and attended Catholic schools - but there were plenty of kids there who were NOT Catholic - they were schooled there because the school was deemed the most successful locally. Who considers Zoroastrianism a branch of Christianity? It's roots and establishment pre-date Christ by 500 years! His family were Parsi - which are part of the traditionalist school of thought. MyHumanZoo wrote:Sadly it was between him and God as to whether he repented and came to know Jesus so we’ll never know for sure. As a Christian myself, I really hope that he did! : )Why is it "sad" that "it was between him and God to as to whether he repented? You make it sound as if it's "sad" that everyone did not know this...but it was his business - and his alone. And, if you're not coming at it from the "nosey fan/Christian do-gooder" perspective...well that makes it worse (in my book). Because the ONLY other meaning of your statement is that "if he didn't then he's damned for eternity". Who are you and your God to judge? - That's if YOUR'S - or anybody else's God actually exists. |
| HelloDelilah 03.01.2020 03:16 |
MyHumanZoo wrote: This is an interesting topic, Diehard. Based on the extensive biblical content and references in many of his songs, especially the early ones, it’s easy to see he was quite knowledgeable about Christianity. I would guess that his catholic school upbringing had a big effect on him, where he probably had to learn the biblical principles and history. Whether he took those to heart and adhered to them is the real question. He may have just been spitting out references to things he learned that sounded ethereal and cool when in song. But he also wrote Great King Rat which seems to support the coming of evil and following that. It could just be a young man’s rebellious streak coming out against his catholic upbringing, and maybe applying some shock value as well? Perhaps as he aged and the consequences of his hedonistic lifestyle registered he reflected back on his catholic roots and returned to a level of Christianity. His funeral was not traditionally Christian, but that does not mean much, as he may have just wanted to honor his parent’s faith, which could also be considered a branch of Christianity anyway. One interesting thing is his discontinuing any manner of physical relationship with Jim Hutton. Obviously his deteriorating physical condition was mainly responsible, but was there an element of regret and review of his sexuality? Most likely not, but interesting to consider. Sadly it was between him and God as to whether he repented and came to know Jesus so we’ll never know for sure. As a Christian myself, I really hope that he did! : )MyHumanZoo, I find this topic fascinating too. I think that his religious upbringing definitely had a role in his songs especially the earlier ones. It seems that Freddie was very spiritual by nature and personified it through his music. I don't know too much about Zoroastrianism, but as I understand it, it's one of the oldest religions in the world and may have had an influence on Christianity and other religions as far as judgement after death, heaven/hell, etc. It seems probable that Freddie may have had regrets as he was always feeling guilty about his sexuality, and generally, as we get older and toward our end of life, we reflect on our lives. And it is interesting that he stopped his physical relationship with Jim. Didn't he tell Jim that he could leave toward the beginning of his illness? As far as his funeral, I would think he would want to have a Zoroastrian funeral either for himself or to honor his parents especially if he grew up in that faith. Freddie is such an interesting person and I only wish he were still alive and gracing us with his presence and music. |
| MyHumanZoo 03.01.2020 16:34 |
Yes Delilah, it is quite interesting and I find Freddie fascinating! I do think he was spiritual, it is mentioned so much in his songs. He did tell Jim he could leave early in his illness...at least according to Jim’s account. That was really compassionate from Freddie, and a testament to Jim’s dedication if it is true. For Brenski, I think it is clear that Freddie went to catholic school and probably learned many biblical things there, I did not intend to imply that his “roots” were there. Catholic schools are well- known for providing their education in biblical views, so it stands to reason he would learn much of what he knew there. I am also not super- knowledgeable on the Zoroastrian religion so I can’t provide a deep compare/contrast, but I do believe there are similar concepts there, the Good thoughts, good words, good deeds...can be quite comparable to the 10 commandments, for example, that basically detail the same thing. As for it pre-dating Christ, I would say that the Christians (and Jewish people as detailed in the Old Testament) also pre-dated Christ coming to the earth, but nonetheless the religion itself and belief in God pre-dated Christ’s birth/death/resurrection on earth. In fact, since God created this earth and Adam/Eve, he pre-dated it all. : ) I stand behind my statement of it being sad that we don’t know if Freddie repented, I say it is sad because if we knew, we could all celebrate the knowledge that he is in heaven with God, and what a wonderful thing that would be! And that knowledge, when shared with the world could bring many others to God. To me, that would be a glorious! For me it is just as sad when anyone does not believe in God though, as I would love for all to believe and have His love as well! |
| Stick 03.01.2020 17:47 |
I know Jesus very well. I seem him almost every day as he is an anthropomorphic symbol for the sun like so many figures in lots of cultures. |
| brENsKi 03.01.2020 17:54 |
MyHumanZoo wrote:purpleThe Ten Commandments are Old Testament - which pre-dates Christ, so are completely irrelevant to your argument. There were only TWO Commandments Christ gave us: blue and blue Your "Good thoughts, good words, good deeds" analogy applies to almost EVERY organised religion. there's no direct link to Christianity there. MyHumanZoo wrote:purpleNo. No. No. Christians did NOT pre-date Christ. That's physically and theoretically impossible. "Christian" means Follower of Christ. By definition it's impossible to follow anything (either physically, or time-wise) if you physically precede and expire before the beginning and very existence of the thing you're said to be following. The Old Testament prophecies of the coming of a Messiah were just that - prophecies. But you can't "follow" his teachings/be a Christian if he hasn't actually taught anything yet. And even though his teaching began aged 27(ish), there was no actual Christianity per se until the year following his death. "God" and "Christianity" are not the same. A belief in God has existed for 3,000+ years - but Christianity, only since AD 1. But hey, this is your faith, you should already know this. MyHumanZoo wrote:purpleScience has proven beyond all doubt that the earth is hundreds of millions of years old. The bible tells us that everything apart from mankind was created in 6 days. Mankind arrived on the seventh. The Old Testament covers 4,000 years. The New testament = 600 years. So the bible tells us that the Earth and mankind are less than 6,000 years old - seriously? MyHumanZoo wrote:purpleShould repenting gain anyone a "glorious afterlife-eternal"? In your world Pol Pot, Saddam, Bin Laden, Milosevic and al-Bashir are all in your Christian Heaven if they repented before death? But someone who didn't know they were dying - but had committed considerably less serious sins will - due to not having time to repent, go to Hell? Sorry, no way Jose. To YOU it may be glorious, (and I'm happy for you) but to those of us grounded in reality - ie those with Secular, real world existence - rather than a need to believe in potential Fairy Stories: what Freddie repented (or otherwise) makes no difference in the big scheme of things...because well, there really is NO big scheme of anything. Okay, I'll play your game: So, even if there is a God - what makes your's the ONE TRUE GOD? what about all those other religions? and denominations of religions? What if Freddie converted to anything, and let's say it was Sikhism? Then what? You going to disown him? or pray for his heathen soul? You only believe there's a God, but you can never actually know (not while you live/breathe and walk the Earth, anyway). What if you're wrong? What if there is no God? Your mass-conversion plan would be rendered futile. |
| Stick 03.01.2020 19:54 |
Also, the 10 commandments (in which this supposed god admits there are other gods by the way) are a straight rip-off from the far older Egyptian book of the dead. All of the 3 Abrahamic religions are complete rip-offs of each other and far older stuff. Full of symbolism regarding knowledge of the earth and its place in the universe and warnings of great catastrophic events from outer space (meteors) and their effects on civilizations through the ages. Hugely distorted in some cases of course but still there if you know the history of the texts and how to read them. Nothing holy, nothing to praise or pray to, just knowledge and warnings encoded in symbolism stories so they might survive the changing of languages and the wipe out of large parts of humanity. Seriously, that's basically it. |
| Thereuhaveit 03.01.2020 20:14 |
Good response, brENsKi |
| MyHumanZoo 03.01.2020 20:19 |
We see thing differently, as I am not arguing anything. Just giving my thoughts and beliefs. I think it is splitting hairs a bit by saying there was no organized “Christian “ faith as we know it today. Ok, maybe not by specific name. But God created and ruled the earth, Adam and Eve knew Him, Abraham and Moses did, the Old Testament gives prophecies of Christ coming to save us, which he did. Following God, is following Christ, and they followed God in the Old Testament. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one being, so worshipping one is worshipping all. I don’t agree that the Old Testament is irrelevant, but I can concede that the New Testament describes the means for us to be saved today, which is simply to believe in God, confess your sins and accept Jesus in your heart as the One that died in order to have your sins removed. So, yes, if Bin Laden and the others confessed and accepted Jesus before they died, they went to heaven. There are no exceptions, and nothing so bad that it can’t be confessed and forgiven, as long as you believe in Him. The others that died without repenting had the chance to do it on while on earth. They used their free will to choose not to repent. Which is why all should repent today, and not gamble on being “evil” and then sliding repentance in at the last second before they die....because none of us knows when that may be! Creationism is interesting, I don’t have data to back things up, but I don’t know if science really proves that the world is as old as it is. They have theories, and dating procedures but at the end of the day there is no one to verify that the testing really is accurate in terms of dating. The cavemen found buried in ice and dinosaurs can’t confirm it, lol! I come from the scientific world, and for predictive testing to be validated, there must be real-time testing next to it to as a baseline of proof. And we also don’t know what was considered a “day” in the Old Testament. Could a day have include thousands of years in earth time? So each Old Testament day allowed for things on earth to evolve, providing somewhat of an amalgamation of both creationism and Big Bang theories? I am simply proposing things here, I have nothing to point to to back this up. As for other “gods” and religions, for me there is only one true God so if anyone repents to other false gods it won’t get them anywhere. I realize that to some this seems like a fairy tale and not grounded in realism, but that is why faith is required. I have seen many things happen through my life and experiences to back up what I believe. But again, God gave us the free will to choose our faith (or lack thereof). You seem really knowledgeable about religions, I do appreciate the lively and respectful discussion on it! Although I suppose we’ll get scolded soon for being off-topic! : ) |
| Stick 03.01.2020 20:34 |
You should really phone in to the Atheist Experience (look them up on youtube). Logic (which I know you apply to almost everything else in your life) is not a tool you are using for your beliefs and someone should expose that to you. Even if you don't give them a call, watch their youtube videos and think about what they show to you. Please try to follow and accept where the logic and evidence leads you. If you have an honest mind and motivation this won't be a problem. But be aware that some truths you will encounter will be harsh and will hurt. But they are still true. Please, give it a go and focus your mind on thinking about what you encounter. Good luck. |
| AlbaNo1 03.01.2020 22:17 |
You Tube and Queenzone. Where else would one find the answers that have eluded the rest of mankind . |
| brENsKi 03.01.2020 22:25 |
Thereuhaveit wrote:blueBut it's all water off a Mallard's back, unfortunately. Person doesn't even begin to be aware of their argument - because they don't even have a basic grasp or understanding of what it is they think they are believing in. MyHumanZoo wrote:brownWhat utter rubbish. God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit did not become ONE until the New Testament - at the Resurrection. The Jews of the old testament were nothing to do with Christianity - Judah (their kingdom) actually comes from Jaweh (which (roughly) translates as priase be to God. Following God is NOT following Christ. There are many Gods out there. And - for someone so allegedly devout - you seem to know and understand so little about your own faith. But I suppose that's what faith is all about - being blind to facts. MyHumanZoo wrote:brownYou clearly do NOT come from a scientific background. You come from a delusional background. You refute science, because it suits your lame argument. I've yet to hear ONE single believer who could disprove science. Do that (impossible) and YOU may be onto something. You can't - because you're not. MyHumanZoo wrote:brownIt may comfort you now...but one day your God will inevitably let you down. You can't prepare for it, but you will need to see beyond the rubbish old adage "He's testing me" - because he can't be , because HE doesn't exist. I won't say that you'll be disappointed, because you won't. Because, well - when we die there's just eternity of nothing. You won't be aware of this, as you won't be living - so no disappointment because there'll be no conscious realisation. MyHumanZoo wrote:brownWell, I was brought up Catholic - but saw the error of it all at aged 17. Later in life I was Equality Manager in the Prison Service, so there was a lot of "organised religion" to read up on, in order to have a basic understanding of the discusions/points/arguments Prisoners presented. |
| miraclesteinway 03.01.2020 22:48 |
I don't know if there's a god or a supreme intelligence, or not. I do know this thread is derailed. |
| Dougie 4 04.01.2020 08:01 |
Agreed |
| brENsKi 04.01.2020 09:48 |
miraclesteinway wrote:I don't know if there's a god or a supreme intelligence, or not. I do know this thread is derailed.Apols if you feel this. However, at least it's still on the topic of religion (Freddie - or otherwise) which is a lot closer to point than many QZ threads. It's also worth saying that, comments like those of MyHumanZoo should not go unchallenged. Were that to happen, then those hugely inaccurate comments become established fact, then we're all living MyHumanZoo's "truth". |
| thomasquinn 32989 04.01.2020 11:09 |
Idiotic comments by religionists convinced that their theologically semi-literate religious position is the True, Authentic and Unquestionable Truth aside (yes, you, MyHumanZoo)...has it occurred to any of you that for Freddie, being raised a Zoroastrian and growing up in a world where Islam (in Zanzibar) and Hinduism (in Maharashtra) were the dominant religions, Christian stories and symbolism might just have seemed like an exotic and strange mythology to draw from, much like the selective and often superficial interest so many Europeans and Americans took in 'Eastern' religion in the time of Freddie's youth? |
| MyHumanZoo 04.01.2020 15:02 |
As much as we would all like to think, myself included, there is not a scientific explanation for everything in life. What I know and feel is that we all have the love of God, and it makes our lives infinitely better when we realize it and welcome it. It doesn’t mean we’ll never have struggles or bad times, but it gives a joy that helps every day. I hope you all can feel it too! : ) |
| brENsKi 04.01.2020 15:17 |
MyHumanZoo wrote:What I know and feel is that we all have the love of God, and it makes our lives infinitely better when we realize it and welcome it. It doesn’t mean we’ll never have struggles or bad times, but it gives a joy that helps every day. I hope you all can feel it too! : )No YOU don't KNOW "we all have the love of God". YOU BELIEVE we do. Vast world of difference between the two. The fact that you are unable to distinguish between fact and faith, further proves my earlier point - you have no idea about what it actually is you believe in, let alone the stories as told in sacred texts. And FWIW - please DO NOT include ME in your "hope to feel it too". Keep your hope for those open to fairy stories. |
| MyHumanZoo 04.01.2020 15:27 |
Ahhh, but there is always hope, it lives eternal! : ) |
| brENsKi 04.01.2020 16:29 |
MyHumanZoo wrote:Ahhh, but there is always hope, it lives eternal! : )it's "springs eternal" not "lives". point being "human nature is to find" fresh optimism, rather than hope being a continual "living" thing you cite. does your cult know you've gone awol? |
| MyHumanZoo 04.01.2020 16:32 |
Correct...springs...my bad! God still loves ‘ya! : ) |
| brENsKi 04.01.2020 16:36 |
MyHumanZoo wrote:Correct...springs...my bad! God still loves ‘ya! : )There's a huge difference between "springs" and "lives" - but you had no clue. Like you have no clue about what you believe in. And God doesn't love me - because I reject the concept of God. Please, kindly f**k off back to your nonsense cult. |
| MyHumanZoo 04.01.2020 22:46 |
Whether you reject Him or not, He still loves you. And He will always be ready for you (or anyone else) to turn to Him, regardless of what you have done or said or believed in the past! God bless! |
| brENsKi 04.01.2020 23:22 |
MyHumanZoo wrote:Whether you reject Him or not, He still loves you. And He will always be ready for you (or anyone else) to turn to Him, regardless of what you have done or said or believed in the past! God bless!No he doesn't. He can't. Should he actually exist then he doesn't love or accept anyone who denounces him (like I do) and refuses to repent. Go fuck your own do-gooding self. |
| MyHumanZoo 04.01.2020 23:43 |
He does, and He can. He loves you even as you denounce him, you can’t make it stop. And even though you won’t admit it, it feels good to have that unconditional love! You can be as bad as can be and there is still love and joy embracing you! : ) |
| brENsKi 04.01.2020 23:49 |
MyHumanZoo wrote:He does, and He can. He loves you even as you denounce him, you can’t make it stop. And even though you won’t admit it, it feels good to have that unconditional love! You can be as bad as can be and there is still love and joy embracing you! : )delusional fool. leave me out of your fairy stories. looks like Gerry's been mixing Ketamine with his LSD. Get help, fella. Soon! |
| Stargazer63 05.01.2020 01:19 |
On the day he died in 1991, I was shocked but felt so much in peace with death. Now with Freddie back in the limelight I was curious. I prayed and prayed with no answer until I felt I had to seek my answer. Well here is my opinions, thought and my answer was in the following. Freddie was more spiritual than being "religious". He was a very private person. I understand that he did not speak about politics nor religion with friends, he held those views to himself only. Having said all that. I also read the same regarding claims that Freddie.became a Christian on his journey to the other side. It was claimed that he would pray every night on his knees, .and even requested a pastor to come over. Now I do not know how true that is, but there are other hints that gave me clues that he did; He told the Opera Singer Montserrat Caballe that he did believe in God but he was spiritual and not religious after she told him she was Catholic. I do sense that there was some repentance prayer that occur that was done very privately, just a very strong feeling I have. “But in all the years I knew him, he never worshiped. I know nothing about his family’s religion. We never discussed it. But I do remember lying in bed beside him at night and hearing him praying. In which language? In English. To whom? I don’t know. I’d sometimes ask who he was talking to, and he’d just shrug and whisper, ‘I’m saying my prayers.’" — Jim Hutton I get a very strong feeling that his whispering prayers were either because he was weak or he was praying a repentance prayer that he did not want anyone to hear especially Jim. Jim moved out of Freddie's room due to lack of sexual interest on Freddie's side. Jim, Freddie’s husband, ask him for the wedding ring that Freddie was wearing. Freddie said NO, that he wanted to be cremated with it. Cremation = Fire = Purification. Freddie’s education was at the Zanzibar Missionary School, where he was taught by Anglican nuns & his last years of education at the Roman Catholic St Joseph's Convent School. Now by no means does that mean he converted to their religion but perhaps carried some tenants of their belief. Freddie believe his talent was a gift and that we all have a purpose in life. What made me more assure of Freddie’s status with God? With the movie BoRap coming out, I came across a young man name Marc Martel. He won the lead singer for the Queen Extravaganza. In one of the YouTube videos I watched his performance on QE. Somewhere in one of the videos I felt God presence on that stage with Marc, but I also felt Freddie’s presence at the same time, both was so strong that I rejoiced. Having felt that, I felt as if someone was saying to me “Your answer is there but not what you see in front but in-between. So, I thought ok Marc looks like Freddie – Check; Marc sounds like Freddie – Check; Marc is a Christian - OMG. I was overwhelmed with this peace. That is a yes, Freddie is ok and he made it into Heaven where his Golden Jacket & golden Microphone awaits him. I know Freddie’s music will forever live in our Hearts while Freddie live on eternally in a Heavenly dimension. Looks like I am not the only person who felt something spiritual on the stage with Marc. Check this out. It begins at 2:36 link Freddie Mercury aka Farrokh Bulsara is an extraordinary genuine Human Being, people like him comes around in a rare moon. Lets continue celebrating his life and music. |
| MyHumanZoo 05.01.2020 17:34 |
Interesting analysis and information Stargazer, I tend to get a similar feeling. I also found it interesting about Marc Martel being Christian, and wondered if that had significance. I do hope it is true about Freddie being spiritual and coming to God! |
| Dougie 4 05.01.2020 18:31 |
I don't care what religion Freddie believed in...I love him regardless and any heaven, whether Christian or zoroastrian, would be the poorer without him |
| PAPA EMERITUS VI 18.03.2020 22:35 |
brENsKi wrote: My own opinion? I don't think Freddie was ever religious - even at the end. I think he was very intelligent (as far as art and literature were concerned),Art? Yes Literature? Absolutely not….Freddie has said several times in interviews that he hated reading books. PAPA EMERITUS VI from The Clergy has spoken!! Now silence you miserable infidels!! |
| FriedChicken 20.03.2020 07:12 |
I believe in the big OogaBooga as the eternal creator of the universe. You have never seen Him because He lives in the center of the Earth. And He hates you, no matter if you love Him, hate Him or don't believe in Him. After you are dead He will torture you, like He did before you were born and before He in His wisdom wiped your memory with the help of Ralph, his spirit helper. And if you say He doesn't exist you hurt my feelings, because I strongly feel He is real!!!!1 |
| imfanqueen 24.03.2020 14:30 |
How glad I got to this forum. I have long been interested in the life of Freddy. In music lessons I wrote an essay about his life, but at that time there was not so much information about him in the public domain. |
| juspijolma 02.08.2020 12:31 |
Whether you reject Him or not, He still loves you. And He will always be ready for you (or anyone else) to turn to Him, regardless of what you have done or said or believed in the past! God bless! link |
| CHEVYMAN 03.08.2020 18:48 |
Freddie’s religion is a very old but very interesting one I get the feeling when he left his parents home he wasn’t particurily religious. I still think he went by a lot of those good Zoroastrian values though I don’t think they were far from his mind. Especially the hard work and good deeds and giving part. |
| CHEVYMAN 03.08.2020 18:50 |
I think he respected people that were religious and what religion meant to them. |
| CHEVYMAN 03.08.2020 18:55 |
Dougie4, I agree he gave all he had within himself to the world always it seems from what we have been told helping others. |
| CHEVYMAN 03.08.2020 19:07 |
I just read previous posts I was raised catholic I don’t know if I believe everything I was taught but I definately belief there is a holy God and I believe in the power of prayer and the ability of that prayer to heal. |
| CHEVYMAN 03.08.2020 19:14 |
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| CHEVYMAN 03.08.2020 20:08 |
That’s what I don’t understand being raised catholic I was taught what I was was an abomination to God. That I was going to hell that I must repent and turn from that sin. My uncle was a gay man and it was a terrible existence in our family.As a grown woman I choose to worship God not an organized religion.I believe God created every man and he created them the way he wanted them. If he wanted them to be straight he would’ve created them that way.I think Freddie was created the way he wanted him. |
| FreddieDearie 04.08.2020 16:41 |
Pretty sure the moment Freddie went to boarding school he left Zoroastrianism behind. |
| FreddieDearie 04.08.2020 16:44 |
Chevy man, absolutely. I put t down to this. If one believes in God, is their view of Him/Her as a petty, nasty vengeful God who makes mistakes, or do they see Him/Her as a loving, omnipotent God? I think it's literal blasphemy to portray God as the former. |
| brENsKi 04.08.2020 18:39 |
FreddieDearie wrote:Chevy man, absolutely. I put t down to this. If one believes in God, is their view of Him/Her as a petty, nasty vengeful God who makes mistakes, or do they see Him/Her as a loving, omnipotent God? I think it's literal blasphemy to portray God as the former.apart from the concept of any God being for the gullible, you are BOTH talking rubbish. pick a religion/faith - any one of them, there are plenty of examples in all sacred texts/scriptures of "God" being exactly what you claim him/her NOT to be - petty, nasty, vengeful. Both Old and New Testaments are littered with occurrences of "God" smiting anyone he/she disagreed/disapproved of. He even declares himself a "vengeful God" Ancient civilizations, had Gods specifically for War. Hinduism and Buddhism both have Gods whose purpose is to mete out punishment. In fact, the only religions that do not openly confirm their God(s) to be vengeful are Islam and Sikhism. |
| CHEVYMAN 04.08.2020 23:27 |
I see God as a kind just and loving God that’s not what organized religion teaches it teaches us to fear him. Why should we fear our creator the one who gave us life who created each one of us in his vision he had for each one of us. As far as his children that were created to be gay he promised no one a easy life it’s in the Bible but he did promise he would put no more on us than we could handle.That means every single person .we are all one.He didn’t intend to divide our world.He wanted everyone to exist and love eachother as brothers and sisters.So no I won’t sit amongst teachings that pick and choose what they want from the Bible and then bend it to the way they think it should be. We all were created with a sinful nature but God himself. |
| CHEVYMAN 04.08.2020 23:48 |
Atheism , I don’t really believe someone just doesn’t believe in God I think things happen in a persons life sometimes that may make them turn from God. Maybe they feel he turned his back on them they had a terrible life experience. They just find it easier to say he doesn’t exist than to hate him. |
| brENsKi 05.08.2020 05:35 |
bluenot all. yet again, you show your lack of understanding of your own faith. Mary and Jesus: were (supposedly) completely pure. Noah: a just man and perfect man, God is said to have told him: "for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation". Asa: did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord, as did David his father. Asa’s heart was perfect with the Lord all his days. Job: God said to Satan: "Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?" David: "For I have kept the ways of the Lord, and have not wickedly departed from my God" bluethere you go - making sweeping statements. you're showing your colours as a fairly typical fanatic. most people who don't believe in God were either brought up in a secular family, or in adulthood saw through the fairy stories or organised religion. |
| thomasquinn 32989 05.08.2020 08:58 |
If you want to go from strict Biblical theology into the field of traditional Jewish and Christian beliefs, it gets even stranger in terms of sin. Take Lilith, according to Jewish mythology (and broadly accepted by medieval Christianity), the first wife God created for Adam. She was not submissive enough, so Adam and God sent her away. Supposedly, she later became the mother of all monsters and giants, but - she did not share in the guilt for the 'original sin', being long gone from the garden of Eden by that time, so that raises some interesting implications for her progeny. The Bible is very interesting. As are, say, the Quran, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Vedic poems, both Eddas and Greek mythology. There are even some wise (moral and other) teachings in there. But when you start believing any of it is 'the word of god'/'inerrant'/an absolute moral standard/The Only Truth, etc., you're wandering onto the path of insanity. When you take the opinion that it (or any of those other books) is so great that everyone must submit to its authority (for their own good, of course) and a church based around it must be the supreme guardian of morality, then you've not just wandered onto that path, you've taken up arms against civilization itself. |
| CHEVYMAN 05.08.2020 12:55 |
Okay if we are going by organized religion they belief everybody but them is going to hell fair enough. |
| brENsKi 05.08.2020 13:28 |
CHEVYMAN wrote:Okay if we are going by organized religion they belief everybody but them is going to hell fair enough.nobody is going anywhere. because your "anywhere" is nothing more than a Fairy Story - created to instill and promote fear and obedience. It's a pity you are not blessed with the capacity for free thought - rather than the blind ignorant acceptance of blinkered teachings bearing a complete absence of supporting evidence. |
| MyHumanZoo 05.08.2020 15:11 |
I would have to say that being perfect or righteous in the worship of God does not mean they never sinned...and there is a difference. Another bible quote....for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And yup....God still loves you! : ) |
| brENsKi 05.08.2020 15:18 |
MyHumanZoo wrote:And yup....God still loves you! : )something that doesn't exist cannot love anything at all. so i think i am pretty safe from your Fairy Story quite frankly, even if there were some higher power (which there isn't), i really would not want its love - if it meant being in the same crackpot club as yourself and Chevyman. |
| Saint Jiub 05.08.2020 15:56 |
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| Saint Jiub 05.08.2020 15:57 |
Saint Jiub wrote:"Crackpot Club"??? Don't you think you are being a little hard on MyHumanZoo???brENsKi wrote:MyHumanZoo wrote:And yup....God still loves you! : )something that doesn't exist cannot love anything at all. so i think i am pretty safe from your Fairy Story quite frankly, even if there were some higher power (which there isn't), i really would not want its love - if it meant being in the same crackpot club as yourself and Chevyman. By your standards, over half of the world belongs to the "Crackpot Club". |
| CHEVYMAN 05.08.2020 16:23 |
It’s okay for someone to stand by their faith in my Human zoos faith teaches all that is saved will inherit the kingdom of heaven I think that’s all that was being said.If My Hunan Zoo practices through organized religious beliefs it’s a free will to accept Jesus Christ into your heart and admit he is the son of God and you shall be saved. Stop bulling a person for what they believe he was just saying you had a free will to choose and God loves you for he is you creator. |
| CHEVYMAN 05.08.2020 16:28 |
I have seen him save addicts from addictions heal people that had terminal illnesses. I survived something that should’ve killed me so yes there is a God one God and heaven and he has a son named Jesus Christ and they are on entity . He died for mans sins just take his hand. You have nothing to loose by taking that chance. |
| Holly2003 05.08.2020 17:03 |
This is Queenzone, not Jesuszone. Please exercise some of that freewill by staying on topic (Queen, Fred etc). |
| brENsKi 05.08.2020 17:56 |
[color=blue] Saint Jiub wrote:"Crackpot Club"??? Don't you think you are being a little hard on MyHumanZoo??? By your standards, over half of the world belongs to the "Crackpot Club".[/color]not at all. i only referred to any club that that pair of individuals belong to. there are much less imposing religions/belief systems than whatever they belong to. and both of these pair keep wishing a non-existent God's love on me - depsite my stating i have no interest in something that doesn't exist. even Jehovah's Witnesses will leave your doorstep if you ask them nicely...this pair are relentless and completely disrespecting of other people's secular space. if they were even half the "bathed in God's love" individuals they claim to be, then they'd afford the same rights on us to not believe. Brownbefore i tackle your points, i'll say this: you are accusing me of bullying, when all i amdoing is debunking some ridiculous theories. you(chevyman) and MyHumanZoo (on the other hand) are bullying me - you are imposing your ficticious God's non-existent love and well-wishes on me, when i have told you I am not interested in it. what I have said to you both is not bullying, it's opinion. and an opinion based on scientific fact. you're basing your beliefs on hearsay and dodgy centuries-old mis-translations. think about it for a second: The Bible - your chief tenet - covers creation to end of New Testament in 4,600 years and 7 days. So your bible is stating mankind is somewhere between 5,000 - 6,000 years old. science has proven mankind to be almost 300,000 years old. so which do rational people believe? your route involves believing in floods that filled the earth, mysterious snakes peddling apples, people being turned into salt...c'mon it's fairy stories - i know it, and deep down you know it too. Brownno. science saved you. for centuries, organised faith has ruled by keeping people down-at heel, and bullied those unable to think logically for themselves. a huge number of older churches were built at a highest point in the locality, with spires pointing directly to the sky - all to give the impression of "ascending to heaven"...with a "he died for our sins" crucifix welded to the top - all psychological brain-washing. Glenn Frey and Don Henley (in IMO, one of the finest songs ever written) put it better than anyone else: And you can see them there on Sunday morning Stand up and sing about what it's like up there They called it paradise, I don't know why You call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye oh, and even if you wanted to convince us of your "truth": what kind of b***ard God instructs his Doorman to deny entrance to Heaven to unbaptised dead babies? what utter crap! |
| CHEVYMAN 05.08.2020 19:24 |
Holly, I really don’t think anyone stays on topic here y Th he title has to do with religion. They are our opinions that’s all. I know a few atheist that are wonderful people but not just good deeds gets you in heavens doors. If a person take their last breath on earth without knowing Jesus Christ as their lord and savior they will burn in the lake of fire for all eternity. To me that is tremendously sad. I’m glad Freddie prayed Jim said he did. He had a priest come to his home . Like me he wasn’t setting inside a church every Sunday but I do think he believed in the God almighty.He even went with Barbara it was said to a church to pray for a miracle I think he knew God had the ability to heal him. But he accepted his fate at the same time. So did Jesus Christ. |
| Holly2003 05.08.2020 20:20 |
Queenzone, not Jesuszone. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. But maybe your ego is too huge to consider something as simple as that. |
| CHEVYMAN 05.08.2020 22:41 |
Ego no that’s the title the subject is religion. I’m staying right on task. Everybody could use a little Jesus Jam every now and then. We all could go get our guitars , Drums, tambourines rock this place. It’s not all about fire and brimstone I like to get with Indian ancestors which practice their own Indian based faith kinda something similar to Freddie’s folks and they have a real pow wow!!!!!My aunt makes me laugh they are all full blood she says when I go down there get that white girl a drink. They paint their faces dance and get tore up.But they pay their respects to their God. |
| CHEVYMAN 05.08.2020 22:54 |
I love all people everyone is one to me know one is any different in my eyes. A man is a man a woman is a woman. People are just all human beings period that’s the way it should be in my world. But that’s not the way some of the world sees it. They are too damn worried about who is screwing who and how they are doing it. All I can say to that hit google that’s what I did I was very curious on the man on man situation and it was really nice.Im not really your average female though some female may not take to it to willingly but they sure talk about it don’t they.Curiosity is a natural response to anything explore things you don’t know about. Damn I sound like a acid trip. Ok is that changing the subject is that a little better.No I didn’t think so either.I suggest since we got so many that aren’t into good ole JC we should delete this thread and rename it something more suitable to everyone’s taste agreed. |
| CHEVYMAN 05.08.2020 23:12 |
Holly next time you talk about ego and you want direct it at someone be more specific say Chevy or so and So have no idea who your talking about. It’s like a dog and your chasing you tail.I do promise I won’t mention another word about good ole JC. But I would like to say one more thing one of my good friends and his husband go to a church and his husband is the pastor and it’s a very loving caring church there. It has grown in numbers like crazy. That’s what I like to see. No it’s not in Oklahoma are you kidding that will never happen if it does I would be one of the first ones to check it out. |
| MyHumanZoo 06.08.2020 18:51 |
It’s ok, I do appreciate those standing up for me, I can own the crackpot term if that’s what you’d like to call it. Funny though, that sharing God’s love for someone is called bullying....but calling others crackpots, etc., is quite all right? ; ) We all have free will, mine has chosen God’s path and you all are free to choose yours. I am simply sharing knowledge respectfully and wanting only love and peace for all. I don’t really see it as a bad thing to know that there is a God out there that loves you, whether you accept his existence or not. If indeed it is my fantasy, you can leave it to me, where is the harm? Unless perhaps there is that knowledge deep down, that I am right and you would love to accept Him? And to respect Holly’s wishes and keep to Queen topics...I do think that Freddie had his feet in religion based on his many songs that mention it, and I hope he found his way back to that before he died! |
| CHEVYMAN 06.08.2020 21:16 |
Well said he definately had the strong foundation. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 14:09 |
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| Holly2003 07.08.2020 14:39 |
If the Bible is literally the word of God, and God is infallible, then Fred is now in Hell receiving his punishment for homosexual acts. How does that fit with your 'faith'? |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 15:07 |
Holly I don’t believe in organized religion I do believe their is a loving kind just God who created man just the way he wanted them. I got enough of organized religion as a youth being catholic I had no choice but to participate and repent to a man. I do believe there is one God he created us all we didn’t just evolve. He created us with love not hate. However I don’t believe he is handing out sentences to hell for homosexuality because he created man in the image he wanted them. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 15:11 |
I don’t want to push God off on anyone but I do have respect for those that practice within organized religion as long as they don’t try to sway my views on gay men and women and it being an abomination I heard that enough in my youth. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 15:12 |
My God teaches me to love everyone we shall not judge others but we do don’t we. |
| Holly2003 07.08.2020 15:46 |
Earlier you said " there is a God one God and heaven and he has a son named Jesus Christ and they are on entity . He died for mans sins" So clearly you believe in Christianity and clearly you're basing those beliefs on the Bible. So it looks like you're doing what most Christians do when faced with the fact that, in terms of what it teaches, the Bible is full of contradictions. But it's also meant to be the word of God. So how can Christians cherry pick the bits they like and ignore the rest? If the Bible is treated as a kind of non supernatural self help book that's fine, but it's hard to reconcile a belief in supernatural beings with cherry picking. You either believe its the word of God and homosexuality is sinful or you opt for a wishy washy "I'm spiritual" approach. I have more respect for the fire and brimstone believers than I do for the cherry pickers. |
| AlbaNo1 07.08.2020 18:03 |
I’ll get out my virtual popcorn for this one |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 18:34 |
I don’t have have denominational beliefs if that what your asking. I pray to the same God as christiians do yes because there is only one God. I just don’t agree with some of their rules when it comes to the New Testament teachings.Which I’m not real familiar with because like I told you I was taught from Old Testament teachings growing up. |
| Holly2003 07.08.2020 18:37 |
You don't agree with the bits you don't like amounts to pick 'n' mix religion. Think about it for a second: the Bible is the word of God ... except when God says something you don't like. Is that it? |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 19:01 |
I don’t believe what I was taught is what I’m telling you. How could a loving God create a man or Woman with perfection and then turn around and condem them to hell for creating them the very way he wanted them. So What I was taught in the Catholic Church I don’t believe I don’t think homosexuality is a sin. How could it be? |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 19:03 |
I don’t have denominational beliefs I have my own faith and the pray to the same God as Christians he hears me the same as he does them.God is not a God of fear he is a God of love and compassion. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 19:07 |
God created perfection he didn’t creat sin. So no Freddie isn’t in hell and he didn’t need to repent to for being gay. Maybe for other matters between him and God but not that. |
| MyHumanZoo 07.08.2020 19:10 |
Sadly for me Holly, if Freddie didn't confess his sins and accept Jesus into his heart, believing that Jesus died on the cross to save him from those sins, then he will be in hell. I earnestly hope that is not the case. Just as I hope that is not the case for anyone. The critical part is, accepting Jesus, and doing our best to follow Him. |
| Holly2003 07.08.2020 19:13 |
@Chevyman -- I'm asking you if you believe the Bible is the word of God. If so, there are consequences of that, aren't there? You seem to believe in the Bible and believe in the existence of 2 supernatural beings, God and Jesus, but only to the extent that their teachings don't contradict your own personal beliefs. Is that correct? |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 19:16 |
I’m pushing no one to accept God that’s your buisness between you and him. Just because you don’t believe in him doesn’t make you a bad person. But I do believe he exists and will continue too.The only thing that bothered me is the conversation about Freddie being in hell because he was gay and didn’t repent for his sin. I know this is wrong it’s my opinion and I stand by it. Even against my own family I stand by this subject matter so I got no problem doing it here. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 19:24 |
Yes I believe in God and Jesus. Man makes those assumptions they misunderstand the Bible. |
| Holly2003 07.08.2020 19:25 |
MyHumanZoo wrote: Sadly for me Holly, if Freddie didn't confess his sins and accept Jesus into his heart, believing that Jesus died on the cross to save him from those sins, then he will be in hell.There you go. That's what I'm getting at. I respect that you follow through on the consequences of your beliefs (even if I disagree with them). MyHumanZoo wrote: I earnestly hope that is not the case. Just as I hope that is not the case for anyone. The critical part is, accepting Jesus, and doing our best to follow Him.You earnestly hope? The consequences of your belief system are that billions of people are suffering endless agony for eternity because they don't believe in just one (your god) of the 3000 or so gods that humanity has worshipped in recorded history. Why would a just, fair, and loving God set up a system such as that? MyHumanZoo wrote: The critical part is, accepting Jesus, and doing our best to follow Him.Am I right in saying then that all the people who died before Jesus was born are now in hell? |
| Holly2003 07.08.2020 19:27 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I’m pushing no one to accept God that’s your buisness between you and him. Just because you don’t believe in him doesn’t make you a bad person. But I do believe he exists and will continue too.The only thing that bothered me is the conversation about Freddie being in hell because he was gay and didn’t repent for his sin. I know this is wrong it’s my opinion and I stand by it. Even against my own family I stand by this subject matter so I got no problem doing it here.That's all irrelevant to the question I asked. Do you believe the Bible is the word of God? |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 20:14 |
Yes I do but I believe it’s misinterpreted by people they don’t understand the scriptures. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 20:15 |
Man transcribed the Bible though from findings but yes it’s the word of God. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 20:45 |
God is a God of kindness , love, joy, and, peace. I don’t see him sending people to burn in a lake of fire for all eternity. I also don’t believe any man is an abomination to God . Freddie wasn’t either. He made mistakes we are all human but being a beautiful gifted spirit wasn’t one of those mistakes. I know everyone seen his Garden Lodge tapes with Jim . The first time I seen him laugh and throw his hands up with such joy you could tell his his heart and soul was in the right place. His creator made no mistake with him he was absolutely beautiful so were the other young men there that day. Yes There is a God and a Bible . But Freddie and the many other young men that lost their lives to AIDS aren’t burning in hell.My opinion they did however leave earth to young. |
| Saint Jiub 07.08.2020 21:27 |
... by the way, I am an athiest. Did dinosaurs exist millions of years ago? Of course they existed. link So why study the Bible at all? Since it's loaded with contradictions and translation errors and wasn't written by witnesses and includes words added by unknown scribes to inject Church orthodoxy, should it just be abandoned? But the history, complexities and actual words of the Bible can't be ignored just to line it up with what people want to believe, based simply on what friends and family and ministers tell them. Nowhere in the Gospels or Acts of Epistles or Apocalypses does the New Testament say it is the inerrant word of God. It couldn't—the people who authored each section had no idea they were composing the Christian Bible, and they were long dead before what they wrote was voted by members of political and theological committees to be the New Testament. |
| brENsKi 07.08.2020 21:42 |
Saint Jiub wrote:... by the way, I am an athiest. Did dinosaurs exist millions of years ago? Of course they existed. So why study the Bible at all? .c'mon. you know the answer to this: people study the bible for the same reason they go to mass, confession, receive the sacraments, have their kids baptised etc etc etc. because Fairy Stories are a crutch for those ill-equipped for actually dealing with the harsh realities that life can throw at us. so much easier to spout the time-honored mantras: "God's testing me" "my reward will be in heaven" "God took **** (who i care for) away from us, because they were too good for this world" yes, so much easier than just actually being grounded in reality. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 22:19 |
Brenski, I have always been equipped to deal with my reality since I was a young child. I have tried to escape nothing through religion or confession. I handled things head on since 6 years old. Coming from a drug crazed family on one end and on the other end a nice catholic middle class family that looked perfect on the outside.I survived it and it wasn’t through confessing my sins to man.It wasn’t my sins that needed confessing.It was the sins of the grandfather lol.But being the good catholic he was he ate his waifer and drank his wine he was a great catholic man.So really I don’t need to hear anything about escaping reality some of us kids in nice suburban homes lived a house of horrors and no one was any wiser. |
| CHEVYMAN 07.08.2020 22:23 |
Saint Juib, Dinosaurs I don’t get it. I know some very kind giving atheist. It’s a persons right to believe as they wish and not be pressured by someone otherwise. |
| Saint Jiub 08.08.2020 01:31 |
brENsKi wrote:I did not write "So why study the Bible at all?"Saint Jiub wrote:... by the way, I am an athiest. Did dinosaurs exist millions of years ago? Of course they existed. So why study the Bible at all? .c'mon. you know the answer to this: people study the bible for the same reason they go to mass, confession, receive the sacraments, have their kids baptised etc etc etc. because Fairy Stories are a crutch for those ill-equipped for actually dealing with the harsh realities that life can throw at us. so much easier to spout the time-honored mantras: "God's testing me" "my reward will be in heaven" "God took **** (who i care for) away from us, because they were too good for this world" yes, so much easier than just actually being grounded in reality. That quote is from the Newsweek link I provided. However, I did write "Did dinosaurs exist millions of years ago? Of course they existed." I wrote that to get a response from those self-assured stone throwers who ignore scientific evidence and/or historical records in order to portray their own reasoned opinions (or rambled incoherencies) as absolute fact. ** The above is not directed at ThomasQuinn or Holly. |
| FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 02:40 |
Saint Juib, You ignore evidence just as much as any religious person and believe in a fairytales... so I advise you get off your hypocritical high horse, You’ve just replaced the Bible with ”Mercury and Me” as your ”Holy Word”. |
| MyHumanZoo 08.08.2020 17:53 |
As far as the Bible goes, I study it and take my lessons from it. I don’t know that it contains errors...that would be individual interpretation. Most of the information stays fairly consistent, meaning love your neighbor, follow God and maintain righteousness, confess your sins, and spread his word, accept him in your heart. People can dissect things and claim differences and untruth, but for me it’s clear. Before Jesus died for our sins, the people had to confess their sins and make animal sacrifices for them. They had to follow practices of not eating unclean food and the like. So that’s how people prior to Jesus went to heaven. Jesus died so that we wouldn’t have to make sacrifices, he made the ultimate sacrifice for us. The fact that billions of people may go to hell is not especially palatable to us, but God created free will for us to follow Him. If you choose not to, then that is unfortunately the fate. He wants us to follow Him by choice, and making the choice to follow him leads to a life striving to be the best we can be. It doesn’t guarantee a life free of challenges and struggles, but it gives us a means to manage and move on. I’ve lived both ways, and I would never want to return to my life without Christianity! |
| Saint Jiub 08.08.2020 18:33 |
MyHumanZoo wrote: As far as the Bible goes, I study it and take my lessons from it. I don’t know that it contains errors...that would be individual interpretation. Most of the information stays fairly consistent, meaning love your neighbor, follow God and maintain righteousness, confess your sins, and spread his word, accept him in your heart. People can dissect things and claim differences and untruth, but for me it’s clear. Before Jesus died for our sins, the people had to confess their sins and make animal sacrifices for them. They had to follow practices of not eating unclean food and the like. So that’s how people prior to Jesus went to heaven. Jesus died so that we wouldn’t have to make sacrifices, he made the ultimate sacrifice for us. The fact that billions of people may go to hell is not especially palatable to us, but God created free will for us to follow Him. If you choose not to, then that is unfortunately the fate. He wants us to follow Him by choice, and making the choice to follow him leads to a life striving to be the best we can be. It doesn’t guarantee a life free of challenges and struggles, but it gives us a means to manage and move on. I’ve lived both ways, and I would never want to return to my life without Christianity!What arrogance, You are oh so certain that billions of people are going to hell. You have a lot of faith in a vengeful god. ... Are you submissive to your husband as to the lord? The bible is written by men and subject to errors over the millenia. I recommend reading the Newsweek link that I provided. |
| CHEVYMAN 08.08.2020 21:25 |
Saint. It’s not arrogance he has experienced what they call salvation once this is experience one leaves their old ways behind. It’s a spiritual change that happens without you really realizing it has happened. It’s like after salvation walking outside imagine everything going on around you and it is moving fast and your body feels presemt but it has changed everything around you other than your relationship with God has and will change without you even doing a thing. God changes your desires. I’m glad My Human Zoo shared his testimony that was beautiful. |
| FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 23:30 |
No, it's arrogance. He’s experienced an interpretation of events which he has chosen to have faith in even when facts and evidence prove some aspects false, Not everything is ”interpretation”. Some things are valid conclusions based on evidence. But people, say everything is up, reinterpretation because they want to ignore when they’re probably wrong. People in cults experience ”changes all-around them” and those ”feelings” of salvation. That doesn't make any of it true. |
| FreddieDearie 08.08.2020 23:45 |
No, it's arrogance. He’s experienced an interpretation of events which he has chosen to have faith in even when facts and evidence prove some aspects false, Not everything is ”interpretation”. Some things are valid conclusions based on evidence. But people, say everything is up, reinterpretation because they want to ignore when they’re probably wrong. People in cults experience ”changes all-around them” and those ”feelings” of salvation. That doesn't make any of it true. |
| Saint Jiub 08.08.2020 23:54 |
COVID-19!!! I blow ... the wind of god ... on you. link |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 00:03 |
Thank You God for our freedom of speech in my country. please bless our children as they start a new school year . Lay your hands on my grandson because he catches infections very easily. You don’t have to blow anything my way I know by faith you got this. |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 00:21 |
Our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us ; and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil Amen.For thine is the kingdom the power and glory, for ever and ever. |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 00:41 |
God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son that whoever believes in him shall have eternal life. JOHN 3:16 |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 01:01 |
If anyone says, I love God but hates his brother he is a liar. John 4:20 |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 01:04 |
love is patient and kind. Corinthians:13:4-7 |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 01:07 |
Threre are some scriptures from a God you can’t see. For some of you guys that claim atheism you seem to be knowledgable on God and the Bible. Please respect others . Everyone has their beliefs. I don’t claim to be a practicing Christian but I do pray and believe in God. Please respect that and don’t worry so much about the rest of it. |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 01:16 |
Like it or not My human zoo even though I don’t agree with everything . He has the right to a freedom of speech and a freedom of religion. |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 01:34 |
John 4:20 and Corinthians 13:4-7 those verses really stand out to me and have my whole life to me God isn’t fire and brimstone verses 13: 4-7 love and patient which means to me Freddie inherited heaven.john 4:20 To me this could really pertain to hate and bigotry if you hate your brother if you hate man because of his sexuality or any reason you are a liar to God.You are supposed to love your brother as God loved you. Plain and simple. |
| NotQuiteAShilling 09.08.2020 01:40 |
Seriously Chevy - you put the Lord's Prayer on QZ?! And Freddie Dearie is like "How can I get my hatred for JIm Hutton into this discussion about religion?" HaHa! MHZ - shame on you. You have no right to judge anyone - are you kidding me?? St Julib, Holly, and Brenski - RIGHT ON brothas and sistas!!!!!! |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 02:01 |
Not quite shilling, I hate no one I might not like what they do and I sure don’t have a problem with someone being Gay everyone knows that. I’m so thankful I’m out of that judge mental group All of you straight women I never could relate to anyway. I got bored.No offense hun.I thought you guys just hated this place. Theirs nothing wrong with sharing scripture. I have tried to persuade no one to do nothing. I also hate no one I just dislike what they did. That’s behind me over with never existed. |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 02:01 |
It’s glad to hear from ya shilling.I will keep you in my prayers. |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 02:10 |
Oh by the way you notice all the prayers and scriptures stopped all the bickering. Thanks grandma l !!!!!This is a open forum you can practice or write anything ya want too.I will write the Lord’s Prayer everyday if I want if atheist can spew hate I can type scripture right?What you guys thought all bisexuals didn’t pray and didn’t have faith and believe in God . Surprise some of us do we are the same as you. |
| FreddieDearie 09.08.2020 02:53 |
Please don't keep me in your prayers. You defend and excuse Freddie Mercury’s abuser. If someone’s gonna pray to God for me, I want someone who isn't going to Hell. |
| brENsKi 09.08.2020 06:03 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: John 4:20 and Corinthians 13:4-7 those verses really stand out to me and have my whole life to me God isn’t fire and brimstone verses 13: 4-7 love and patient which means to me Freddie inherited heaven.john 4:20 To me this could really pertain to hate and bigotry if you hate your brother if you hate man because of his sexuality or any reason you are a liar to God.You are supposed to love your brother as God loved you. Plain and simple.of course, it's so convenient to do a "Pick n Mix" of the bits you like. you can't do that. you either accept the entire Bible as fact or NONE of it. your argument destroys itself once the complete Bible is considered. as a religious document it is riddled with contradictions and lies: some of the more obvious lies: 7 Day Creation [bullshit] Pillars of Salt: [bullshit] Man's existence measuring approx 6,000 Years [so wrong it's laughable] big flood / 2 of every animal on a big boat for forty days...[utter crap] |
| AlbaNo1 09.08.2020 09:45 |
Surely, like any fable or allegory, it’s designed to be accessible ,open to interpretation on different levels and understood by all age groups in different eras. |
| Holly2003 09.08.2020 09:47 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us ; and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil Amen.For thine is the kingdom the power and glory, for ever and ever.Have I clicked on Stryperzone by mistake? |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 12:33 |
Quote of the the day : I know the Lord is always with me. This is a beautiful scripture. Psalms 11:6-8 |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 12:36 |
God Bless America it’s Sunday!!!!!!!! You guys don’t have much to say maybe you want more of God than you want to admit. |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 12:41 |
Holly are you talking about the group Stryper I love them back in the day.Have a beautiful Sunday 80s Rock bands should rule our schools lol!!!! |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 12:47 |
By the way Holly no one is worthy of God I never claimed to be a Christian . Having faith is one thing going to church every Sunday with other followers is another. I don’t believe I need an institution or a building to feel Gods power and Love understand now. No organized religion.Im the lone wolf. |
| CHEVYMAN 09.08.2020 12:57 |
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| MyHumanZoo 09.08.2020 23:05 |
Actually St, I don’t know who is going to hell and who isn’t, I was just answering Holly’s question. At the end of the day, each person is the only one that knows where they end up, as long as a person squares themself with God before they die, they go to heaven. Hopefully, most get it right, but ultimately some won’t. I respect that others don’t have the beliefs I have, and don’t belittle anyone for it, even if I don’t agree with them. I try my best to love and support everyone. |
| FreddieDearie 10.08.2020 06:38 |
Chevy man, speak for yourself only when you say people are not worthy of God. However I agree with you on this point. If one is to believe in God, if you think you need a ”middle man” between you and God, you probably aren't as close to him as you need to be or think you are. |
| Holly2003 10.08.2020 08:36 |
Not Stryperzone, but maybe Motorheadzone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojOKGrvXFUE :D |
| CHEVYMAN 11.08.2020 15:27 |
Well back to this beautiful thread I just feel strong vibes coming of this place. Freddie may not have practiced his parents religion but his sister lash sure did and does till this day. The cerimonies with the fire are absolutely gorgeous.I love the fact they are in all white.I do believe I had seen a photo of the whole family at one of those cerimonies. |
| CHEVYMAN 11.08.2020 15:29 |
Well back to this beautiful thread I just feel strong vibes coming of this place. Freddie may not have practiced his parents religion but his sister lash sure did and does till this day. The cerimonies with the fire are absolutely gorgeous.I love the fact they are in all white.I do believe I had seen a photo of the whole family at one of those cerimonies. |
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| FreddieDearie 14.08.2020 23:23 |
The religion caused horrible pain to Freddie. (as most organized religions cause to most gay people. Brian May more than hinted that it was his father’s religiosity that kept him unsupportive of Freddie most of his life. His mother didn't even leave anything in her will to the charity in her son’s name, but she did donate to a Zorastrian charity. Not something to admire IMO. Especially where Freddie is concerned. Many of them teach that Freddie is going to burn in hell for being who he was. I think it's a shame that the religious ceremony was foisted upon his funeral. That's wonderful for you Chevyman if religious Faith gives you comfort. But one has to do an awful lot of excusing and denial to not recognize how destructive organized religiosity has been to gay people. I don't forgive organized religion for that. |
| CHEVYMAN 14.08.2020 23:45 |
I don’t practice organized religion I do however find the cerimonies demonstrated that Freddie’s parents practiced very interesting. Yes most organized religion believe being Gay is an abomination to God that’s what I was taught and what caused me so much pain and depression growing up. I knew my only option was a traditional one through a traditional marriage.Thats why I chose not to practice the catholic faith any longer I felt like I had all I needed of it. I didn’t agree with it .I do believe in the fact their is one God and their are no other Gods before him.I pray directly to him not a priest. |
| CHEVYMAN 14.08.2020 23:54 |
I have witnessed in my own family it seems that fathers have a harder time coming to terms with their sons being Gay sometimes it has nothing to do with religion. That’s just what I noticed between my uncle and grandfather he never accepted him. My grandmother told me years after his passing that they used to be really close . My uncle was an athlete in HS and my grandfather was at every game. But when he found out he was gay it all stopped and their relationshipped died. This is all second hand information because I just saw the aftermath of the way he treated him. He went off to college the year I was born.He always looked at him with disgust and I never understood why. |
| FreddieDearie 15.08.2020 00:11 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: I have witnessed in my own family it seems that fathers have a harder time coming to terms with their sons being Gay sometimes it has nothing to do with religion. That’s just what I noticed between my uncle and grandfather he never accepted him. My grandmother told me years after his passing that they used to be really close . My uncle was an athlete in HS and my grandfather was at every game. But when he found out he was gay it all stopped and their relationshipped died. This is all second hand information because I just saw the aftermath of the way he treated him. He went off to college the year I was born.He always looked at him with disgust and I never understood why.It has everything to do with religion. Whether religion ”invented” homophobia is beside the point.m it sure as hell propagated it. And at BEST was complicit in it. Religion taught homophobia and men and women bought into it. It's gotten passed down through the generations. Whether your grandfather was directly affected or if it was just part of the systemic culture that religions have created in society, is of no matter. Religion has been the main culprit of utilizing people’s bogoted nature to great and maintain their power over others And the harder time men have coming to terms with it, often the more likely they have had homosexual feelings. People who are confident in their own sexuality, aren't bothered much by other’s. Not saying that is the case for your grandfather, but my observations have been that the harder they hate something, the more likely that think they hate resides within them. It's called internalized homophobia. And that is the case in people who’s homosexuality is latent or well known. And Brian said Bomi’s conservative religiosity was at issue. |
| CHEVYMAN 19.08.2020 03:37 |
My uncle was gay my mother was a prostitute and dancer . My Grandfather was a racist and a bigot. Oh and a child molester. The End. |
| FreddieDearie 19.08.2020 16:57 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: My uncle was gay my mother was a prostitute and dancer . My Grandfather was a racist and a bigot. Oh and a child molester. The End.Do you have a point? |
| FreddieDearie 19.08.2020 21:22 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: My uncle was gay my mother was a prostitute and dancer . My Grandfather was a racist and a bigot. Oh and a child molester. The End.Or should I say do you have a pertinent VALID point? |
| CHEVYMAN 20.08.2020 00:00 |
Yes fuck Everybody except Thor he is telling the truth Dammit!!!!!!!! |
| CHEVYMAN 20.08.2020 00:02 |
And Saint Juib and Matt they been pretty cool!!!!!!!!! |
| CHEVYMAN 20.08.2020 00:03 |
And Rainbow she has been nice to me!!!!!!! |
| CHEVYMAN 20.08.2020 00:13 |
But some of these bitches get me twisted I just stand them . I know they are Thor’s fans so I tried to tolerate them but I just can’t they are a bunch of shit stains. |
| CHEVYMAN 20.08.2020 00:23 |
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| Saint Jiub 20.08.2020 02:25 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: But some of these bitches get me twisted I just stand them . I know they are Thor’s fans so I tried to tolerate them but I just can’t they are a bunch of shit stains. |
| FreddieDearie 20.08.2020 21:54 |
CHEVYMAN wrote: Yes fuck Everybody except Thor he is telling the truth Dammit!!!!!!!!Which truth? Because he’s contradicted himself many times. |
| ratemyprofessor 25.09.2020 09:46 |
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