QueenZone discussion #1579253
Half of Hot Space + half of The Game = a great album ?
| Wild_Wind 08.12.2019 15:51 |
Hi there, A tracklist like that would have been very interesting IMO... - Another One Bites the Dust - Crazy Little Thing Called Love - Play the game - Las Palabras de Amor - Cool cat (or Dragon Attack ? or Calling all girls ?) - Back Chat - Under Pressure - Save Me The same applies to The Works + AKOM and The Miracle + Innuendo.I think. Do you agree with that ? :-) |
| Stick 08.12.2019 15:56 |
I could not disagree more. Are you a butcher in real life too? |
| brENsKi 08.12.2019 16:19 |
absolute not! - your first post, as well. it can only get better for you! leave Innuendo, Miracle and Game as they are. Merge AKOM, Works and HS (recording sessions) into one decent LP. It will end up being Roger (as main writer) to make it a good LP. One Vision Under Pressure Action This Day A Kind of Magic It's A Hard Life Las Palabras de Amor Radio Ga Ga Man on Fire Let Me Live I Want to Break Free Hammer to Fall Princes of the Universe |
| k-m 08.12.2019 16:48 |
The Game is fine as it is, leave it alone. Hot Space is not that bad either, the production is not great on some of the "funk/black" tracks and Body Language is simply poor, but overall it's not as bad as some say it is. The idea of a merger is quite tempting though when you look at The Works and AKOM, you could create one very outstanding album from that. Good luck with future posts, I would be mildly surprised if it went downhill from here. |
| vicspec 08.12.2019 18:25 |
I’d have to say that’s a great idea actually, I’ve thought about it before. I’d take out all of side 2 of The Game except for Save Me and add Pressure. Dancer, Back Chat and Cool Cat. |
| mooghead 08.12.2019 18:26 |
A very brave post for a newbie so kudos to you. You are spectacularly wrong but fair play. |
| stevelondon20 08.12.2019 18:29 |
Lol! |
| Wild_Wind 08.12.2019 19:23 |
LOL I think The Game and HS partly share the same DNA (synths, funk influence, romantic ballads, vigorous vocals by Fred...), hence my suggestion.That was just for fun of course ! Anyway yes I'm a butcher, I have blood on my terraces and torsos in my closet :) |
| mooghead 08.12.2019 20:43 |
You are breastfeeding yourself aren't you?? |
| mooghead 08.12.2019 20:44 |
What more can I say? |
| Stick 08.12.2019 21:15 |
Just swallow that bitter pill and get on with it! |
| Holly2003 08.12.2019 21:28 |
vicspec wrote: I’d have to say that’s a great idea actually, I’ve thought about it before. I’d take out all of side 2 of The Game except for Save Me and add Pressure. Dancer, Back Chat and Cool Cat.Lose side 2 and we lose Rock It, which is one of Roger's better songs and one of my favourites. It shows how much fun Queen were when John let loose. |
| stevelondon20 08.12.2019 21:54 |
I can taste it. I can taste it! |
| matt z 09.12.2019 04:43 |
Nah. Cocaine excess did them in. Short "AMERICAN" laudation and chasing crap they'd heard in charts and clubs (*trying to be WITH THE TIMES instead of their own unique element that revisited old styles with balls) I never compare it. But if you ever compared HOT SPACE to any album at arms length it's a lost cause. The album has no free flow to it (THE GAME) and no memorable fun bits (GAGA /CRAZY to save it. It's got a great fluke of a track from John and FM in COOL CAT but beyond that.a realistic comparison of songs shows how phony and lame the album was. Brian had been guesting on others songs by then and his spice in contrast to The dull a-rhythmic crap from most of hot space is THE only saving grace to it. God, I'd KNOWN instinctively but this MASH UP game just reveals how weak the material was (*except for COOL CAT and obviously UP) It's almost a frightening reality check. for all their fake labored efforts on THE WORKS. .at least they had something The most respective summary of these i remember is a 00's book that said in essence "despite their missteps" their studio creativity always saved them through a slew of awful 80's tracks. God no! No mash ups. THE GAME clocks in short and effective. Neither of the albums until INNUENDO ever matched that (MIRACLE came close) |
| Dim 09.12.2019 12:12 |
In my opinion the works need some more songs that fitted with human vs machine, war vs piece, human emotions, relationsetc Radio Gaga Tear it up It's a hard life killing time (has some Freddie's backing vocals) I go crazy There must be to life than this Man On Prowl Machines I Want to break free Keep passing the open windows Love kills Hammer to fall Is this the world are we created? The Game is great as it is Hot Space I can't think something that could make this album any difference even if some of its songs could have been in any other album. A Kind of magic should have extra songs like AKOM highlander version and some instrumental from the movie, also the acoustic piano of one year of love which a snippet can be heard on the movie. |
| brENsKi 09.12.2019 15:51 |
Dim wrote: Hot Space I can't think something that could make this album any difference even if some of its songs could have been in any other album.oh, I don't know - I could think of something to improve Hot Space: Taking a pile of 100 copies of the LP and running over them with a Chieftain Tank. |
| Thistle 09.12.2019 16:24 |
At first I thought no. But hey, it's just a bit of fun, so I thought I'd play. It could possibly have worked with the following tracklisting :) Play The Game Another One Bites The Dust Back Chat Need Your Loving Tonight Crazy Little Thing Called Love Rock It (Prime Jive) Life Is Real Las Palabras De Amor Cool Cat Coming Soon Save Me Under Pressure |
| SweetCarolina 09.12.2019 17:32 |
What If u do Live Killers and Wembley? |
| Jimmy Dean 09.12.2019 17:36 |
I wouldn't touch the game. Even its flawed tracks are fun to listen to. I never liked Don't Try Suicide and Coming Soon but i never skip it and i still sing along to it. David28, you can't remove Sail Away Sweet Sister from The Game. listen to at least 125 more times. You will find it only gets better. Under Pressure and Las Parablas sounded like they could have fit on this album. The latter more than the former. And if time would have allowed that to happen, maybe an 11 or 12 track album. |
| people on streets 09.12.2019 19:32 |
The Game is perfect. Short. Catchy. Amazingly well done production. One of their best outputs of the 80s if not the best. |
| Wild_Wind 09.12.2019 21:50 |
Jimmy Dean : I'm sorry I can barely listen to it one time. I find it OK but boring.At last Don't try suicide is a bit funny ("Don't try suicide / Nobody cares") |
| PrimeJiveUSA 10.12.2019 05:05 |
Yeah...there doesn't seem to be a lot of love for Sail Away Sweet Sister but I've always thought it was a great track. Also, my favorite track from Hot Space is Staying Power and rank it alongside Don't Stop Me Now as one of Freddie's greatest feel good/party tracks. |
| Dim 10.12.2019 09:20 |
Between 1981-82 I believe that they lost an opportunity to use Freddie the best way. His voice was so beautiful and he could do so many things. All of them were at good shape in terms of technique. They needed a big ball producer to guide them in the right creative direction. They didn't use their capabilities and their talent as they ought to. I can only imagine how the things could have turned, if the album had songs in the game orientation or like I go crazy, put out the fire and the use of synth like football fight. Maybe it could be one of their best 80s albums. |
| Dr Magus 10.12.2019 10:20 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Yeah...there doesn't seem to be a lot of love for Sail Away Sweet Sister but I've always thought it was a great track.It is in my top 5 Queen songs. A song I could listen to on repeat for hours! |
| MyHumanZoo 10.12.2019 18:34 |
I adore Sail Away Sweet Sister, I can (and do) listen to it on repeat! I also like Don’t Try Suicide, such a catchy song, it’s unfortunate that changing pc culture puts it in a bad place. I think The Game is brilliant, I can’t imagine messing with that lineup, especially with anything from Hot Space. |
| Thistle 13.12.2019 15:33 |
I tried out the tracklisting I proposed on page 1. It was enjoyable to listen to, just as a random playlist would, but it didn't feel like an album. Both are best left alone, and The Game totally kicks HS in the arse (it's always been in my top 5 Queen albums) |
| MisterCosmicc 13.12.2019 16:29 |
Hot Space is more authentic emotionally than Queen’s first two albums. |
| Thistle 13.12.2019 16:47 |
After a few sherbets, it's probably more authentic spiritually too ;) |
| brENsKi 13.12.2019 16:50 |
MisterCosmicc wrote:Hot Space is more authentic emotionally than Queen’s first two albums.sorry, no. "I" was recorded in studio downtime - it was the culmination of everything the band had been working on - to that point. everything they produced was relevant, circumstantial and representative of the band's timeline/events. = pure emotional authenticity. "II" was the band being "let loose" with proper time and equipment, being free to experiment and be genuinely creative. not quite 100%, but certainly large scale emotional authenticity. HS = no, it was a fairly cynical attempt to shoehorn themselves into a "what they thought was" the next big thing. for the band (as evidenced by the album disagreements) this was mainly perceived as a cash cow, so it's anything but emotionally authentic. |
| Wild_Wind 13.12.2019 17:52 |
It's difficult to compare when context are so different. By the time of HS they were an well established band, they knew they had to find a new sound in order to keep things "fresh". Freddie and John's interest in "funk-black" music seems rather authentic. So, to me it was not only a matter of money. In terms of authenticity and creativity, The Works and AKOM are worse IMO. |
| brENsKi 13.12.2019 19:08 |
david28 wrote:It's difficult to compare when context are so different. By the time of HS they were an well established band, they knew they had to find a new sound in order to keep things "fresh". Freddie and John's interest in "funk-black" music seems rather authentic. So, to me it was not only a matter of money. In terms of authenticity and creativity, The Works and AKOM are worse IMO.I think it depends upon how you look at it. By the early 80s, the funk/black sound had gone full circle and was only really "authentic" when black/actual funk bands were doing it. Also, I always saw Queen as pioneers, not re-hash merchants. The Game was pioneering, HS wasn't really. Rock bands doing it had had its day - the Game (just about) managing to get in there at the death. Most of the established rock acts had ploughed the funk/dance field during the mid/late 70s: Purple, ELO, Doobies, Zep, Stones, Eagles, Chicago, War, Steve Macca, Exile, Clash, Winwood, Rush, Bad Co, Styx, Bowie, Roxy Music...fuck - even Kiss did it |
| AlbaNo1 13.12.2019 21:56 |
This term “ funk/black “ sounds seriously archaic and a bit embarrassing now. HS sounds more like euro cheese disco than anything. I actually still quite like Back Chat and Dancer but it’s pop, that’s all. |
| brENsKi 13.12.2019 22:40 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: This term “ funk/black “ sounds seriously archaic and a bit embarrassing now. HS sounds more like euro cheese disco than anything. I actually still quite like Back Chat and Dancer but it’s pop, that’s all.yep. i used it at the beginning as a direct reference to the post above. You'll notice that my next references were to black/actual funk bands and funk/dance. I think the Backchat feel is somewhere very funk/dance...while dancer just feels (well) funk. Backchat has its moments with me - but I have to be in the right mood. There's so much dross on that album though. Body Language / Staying Power / Put Out The Fire / Dancer / Action This Day and well, I just don't get on with Life Is Real - don't know why - perhaps the thing feels a little plastic, what with the very pretentious lyric. |
| brENsKi 13.12.2019 23:00 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote:Yeah...there doesn't seem to be a lot of love for Sail Away Sweet Sister but I've always thought it was a great track.It is a great track, but I just don't like it. When Brian does the balladeer stuff, I don't get it - leave me cold. Same applies to Leaving Home Ain't Easy, Someday One Day, Teo Torriate and a couple of others PrimeJiveUSA wrote:Also, my favorite track from Hot Space is Staying Power and rank it alongside Don't Stop Me Now as one of Freddie's greatest feel good/party tracks.Make it move make it move You know how to shake that thing We'll work it work it work it You and I can play ball baby that's lazy writing ^ |
| AlbaNo1 13.12.2019 23:01 |
Life is Real at least has a different feel , an attempt to be a bit more introspective/poetic lyric wise but they just don’t quite have it. I always wondered did someone outside the band help or hinder the words. They are so out of character. |
| Wild_Wind 13.12.2019 23:17 |
Sorry, I only used "funk/black" because I was thinking of Freddie introducing the "new songs" with this word in Milton Keynes (if my memory is correct). I didn't want to upset anybody. In terms of dross, I think AKOM or The Miracle really come close to HS (let's talk about "Pain is so close to pleasure", "Party" or "Khashoggi's ship"...) I guess it's just a matter of taste. |
| AlbaNo1 13.12.2019 23:26 |
Yeah I know everyone is paraphrasing . Freddie did use that and it seems to have stuck. |
| matt z 14.12.2019 05:12 |
Funk/black had never been so cold and flat save for the solo career of Lionel Richie. It's a disservice regardless of how applied Anyways, totally agree with the assessment prior. They thought it was the next thing happening but it all didn't unfold that way. Even the rock tracks/ESPECIALLY the rock tracks (can be used interchangeably) stunk. An experiment in cocaine madness that didn't pull much unique other than COOL CAT and UP And those conveniently all date from a year + before. When i think of the good in HS it's usually Brian's "spicy bits" akin to his solos on far better stuff like Jeffrey Osborne. Without those tri-part Brian embellishments the album is damn near a complete write off. |
| MisterCosmicc 14.12.2019 15:41 |
brENsKi wrote:Disagree 100%MisterCosmicc wrote:Hot Space is more authentic emotionally than Queen’s first two albums.sorry, no. "I" was recorded in studio downtime - it was the culmination of everything the band had been working on - to that point. everything they produced was relevant, circumstantial and representative of the band's timeline/events. = pure emotional authenticity. "II" was the band being "let loose" with proper time and equipment, being free to experiment and be genuinely creative. not quite 100%, but certainly large scale emotional authenticity. HS = no, it was a fairly cynical attempt to shoehorn themselves into a "what they thought was" the next big thing. for the band (as evidenced by the album disagreements) this was mainly perceived as a cash cow, so it's anything but emotionally authentic. The songs on Queen and Queen II had very little to do with their personal lives. That’s why I said “emotionally” Take Body Language for example. You don’t think it emotionally represented Freddie’s sex life at the time? The first two Queen albums represent a band that’s inexperienced with life. The songs were them trying to be sophisticated. Great songs, but most not based on anything of importance. |
| brENsKi 14.12.2019 15:55 |
MisterCosmicc wrote:Disagree 100% The songs on Queen and Queen II had very little to do with their personal lives. That’s why I said “emotionally” Take Body Language for example. You don’t think it emotionally represented Freddie’s sex life at the time? The first two Queen albums represent a band that’s inexperienced with life. The songs were them trying to be sophisticated. Great songs, but most not based on anything of importance.Freddie's songs on hot space were just autobiographical. I don't think there was anything emotionally authentic about "shagging your way around Europe" and then writing songs boasting about it. On balance your're probably right about I & II though as those albums are more strategically authentic. however, when you consider that many of the songs on those first two LPs had been the fruition of each band member's ideas/embryos that they'd carried around since they first formed bands, then there is a lot of emotional authenticity in there too. |