| fras444 06.12.2019 04:06 |
These three songs would have to be in the top 5 of my favorite Queen songs, especially Liar and Ogre as a live pieces. What are your thoughts on these songs? Where do they rate with your favs? Where Ogre gets a bit of mention from the likes of Brian being a song that Freddie played on acoustic guitar at breakneck speed etc... What happened to this song as part of the live set list? Where old songs kinda made a comeback during the 'Works" tour, this song obviously didn't make a comeback. Did it age not so well, too hard to play/sing, did it, just not seem to fit in with new songs? Liar seemed to be a fan fav as a 8 min piece, it seemed to be a song over the years albeit in various forms that died but was revived as part of a 'one off' setlist, came back in the 'works' tour and even made it in the magic tour as a bridge where as Keep yourself alive didn't. I cant find much of a mention from any band members regarding this song, I feel that it was an important part of the Queen history, was "Liar' loved by the band as much as it was by the fans? For those who lived the Queen "live" experience. During those years where these songs were a mainstay in the setlist and when these songs were eventually dropped... Were they songs much looked forward to and enjoyed, were they missed in any way by you guys? |
| Cruella de Vil 06.12.2019 19:56 |
Hi there I like them all too and see them as highlights of their live set. Liar is a drumming tour de force. Coupled with the magical interplay with bass and guitar, and killer vocals the song often erupted. Father to Son for me has the same magic in the central section where John Roger and Brian just feed off each other as it ebbs and flows. |
| Cruella de Vil 06.12.2019 19:56 |
Hi there I like them all too and see them as highlights of their live set. Liar is a drumming tour de force. Coupled with the magical interplay with bass and guitar, and killer vocals the song often erupted. Father to Son for me has the same magic in the central section where John Roger and Brian just feed off each other as it ebbs and flows. |
| matt z 07.12.2019 02:26 |
All throwbacks from their heavier ZEP /SABBATH days. Good riffs but awkward songs save for FATHER TO SON (*just my opinion), it's a more complete song in concept, execution and resolve. OGRE BATTLE had a distant 80's cousin in PRINCES OF THE UNIVERSE. Great riff of a song that ultimately shocks and punches, but is awkward and trodgy (if that's a word) |
| master marathon runner 07.12.2019 09:24 |
'Missed in anyway by you guys ?' - Whaaaat? |
| Star* 07.12.2019 13:12 |
Those three tracks are classic Queen and they were what Queen was really about hard rock & roll. Ogre Battle is a brilliant opener for the Album Queen2 and remains most fans favourite album by miles. Quite sad though when you think were so powerful back in 1974 and ended up in 1991 limp and out of ideas because Fred was so ill. |
| Vocal harmony 07.12.2019 16:14 |
fras444 wrote: These three songs would have to be in the top 5 of my favorite Queen songs, especially Liar and Ogre as a live pieces. . . . . Liar seemed to be a fan fav as a 8 min piece, it seemed to be a song over the years albeit in various forms that died but was revived as part of a 'one off' setlist, came back in the 'works' tour and even made it in the magic tour as a bridge where as Keep yourself alive didn't. . . .Liar as a live song actually had a longer shelf life than the other two. It was still performed in its entirety on some of The Crazy Tour dates and again on the early dates of The Hot Space Tour. |
| brENsKi 07.12.2019 16:24 |
100% wrote:Those three tracks are classic Queen and they were what Queen was really about hard rock & roll. Ogre Battle is a brilliant opener for the Album Queen2 and remains most fans favourite album by miles. Quite sad though when you think were so powerful back in 1974 and ended up in 1991 limp and out of ideas because Fred was so ill.they were "out of ideas" as you call it - for most of the 80s - long before Freddie was ill. Although, it's fair to say this applied to Freddie and Brian. Roger and John were doing the "heavy lifting" - ideas wise, during the 80s. |
| Star* 07.12.2019 16:37 |
i disagree Queen were named band of the eighties hardly a band that were out of ideas. Most of there stuff in the eighties was very popular, from "Radio Ga Ga" to "I Want It All" Queen were still flying high in the charts. |
| brENsKi 07.12.2019 16:58 |
brENsKi wrote:I think you've skim-read my post. - but I've re-quoted for reference.100% wrote:Those three tracks are classic Queen and they were what Queen was really about hard rock & roll. Ogre Battle is a brilliant opener for the Album Queen2 and remains most fans favourite album by miles. Quite sad though when you think were so powerful back in 1974 and ended up in 1991 limp and out of ideas because Fred was so ill.they were "out of ideas" as you call it - for most of the 80s - long before Freddie was ill. Although, it's fair to say this applied to Freddie and Brian. Roger and John were doing the "heavy lifting" - ideas wise,100% wrote:i disagree Queen were named band of the eighties hardly a band that were out of ideas. Most of there stuff in the eighties was very popular, from "Radio Ga Ga" to "I Want It All" Queen were still flying high in the charts.. Freddie spent huge chunks of the 80s either on his solo projects or disinterested in Queen. Brian had other distractions - after they stopped touring, his marriage falling apart. In fairness - the 80s was a generally, plastic, shallow decade, music-wise. Not all music, but most rock bands ended up sounding sanitised by their own earlier material. Just compare 80s output for Queen, Genesis, Yes, Who, ELO and Purple to their 70s LPs. no contest. My own opinion is that most of those 70s bands had lost the hunger that drove them to success. By the 80s they'd become lazy - living off the stored fat of their 70s work. As I said Roger and John did the heavy lifting - being responsible for the major slice of the hits from the 80s (until Freddie's death) - there's absolutely no way that Roger/John would've been writing so many hits if Freddie and Brian had been bothered. Roger became the George Harrison of Queen. The sheer volume of his Cross/solo stuff during this time, mirrors Harrison's early post-Beatles output. John: Backchat I Want To break free Friends Will Be Friends (co-write with Freddie) The Miracle (co-write with Freddie) Roger: Radio GaGa One Vision A kind of Magic Thank God It's Christmas (co-write with Brian) Invisible Man Breakthru (co-write with Freddie) Innuendo (co-write with Freddie) These Are the Days of Our Lives |
| Saint Jiub 07.12.2019 22:51 |
I would agree that Roger carried the ban in the 80's, but I would say Brian's best 80's songs were on par or slightly better than John's 80's songs. Brian had: Las Palabras de Amor Hammer to Fall Who Wants to Live Forever I Want It All Headlong |
| Saint Jiub 07.12.2019 22:57 |
For myself, I would rate Liar as a top 20 Queen song, Ogre Battle as very good (much better than average), and Father to Son as a below average Queen song. |
| *goodco* 08.12.2019 00:09 |
'Procession/Father To Son'.....have been my favorite(s), in a tie with BoRhap, since mid 70s. |
| Fly away 08.12.2019 01:14 |
Going on the studio versions: Liar - a top song Ogre battle - never really got attached to this song, lyrics are cringeworthy and musically it doesn’t do much for me FTS - the vocals are too quiet and the whole song sounds muffled to me. |
| brENsKi 08.12.2019 10:18 |
Ogre Battle - where most people seem to love it, I always felt it was the Side Black low point. Paint-by-numbers lyrics and kitchen-sink/battering ram sound. Just a jumble. Strange how most seem to think FHLI is the out of place track on Side Black - I love the whole Beach Boys vibe - would sound great in a medley with Lurex tracks. Liar - just an absolute megalith of a song. the absolute core of what early Queen was all about. Freddie's finest hard rock moment - as a writer and singer. Father To Son - Always liked this track, but agree re: a muddiness in the sound. However, I disagree re: the vocals - they're mixed justa bout where they should be volume-wise. Am wondering if some of Roy Thomas Baker's production just squeezed too much in (here). Would like to hear the multitracks for this one and see what can be done with a little "stripping away" of the layers. Bass sound is pretty good though - a Deacon high. I love the vocal harmonies from 1:50-2:09 There's also some great guitar playing from 3:30 - but most of it is buried away. |
| Star* 08.12.2019 13:50 |
Brenski You do go on as though you are "Mack" wanting to dismantle a final product which Queen the entire band were very happy with. Remember Queen would not have put any of that material out if they were not happy with it because Freddie was very meticulous and a perfectionist. |
| brENsKi 08.12.2019 14:11 |
100% wrote:Brenski You do go on as though you are "Mack" wanting to dismantle a final product which Queen the entire band were very happy with. Remember Queen would not have put any of that material out if they were not happy with it because Freddie was very meticulous and a perfectionist.Gerry, just because the band were happy with it, doesn't mean it was perfect - there's more than enough 80s tracks to bear that point out. And most of what I have said is very positive. Queen II is my favourite (Queen) album - but it's far from perfect. Also Father To Son was Brian's track - so Freddie's input would not have been the final say. Brian even played piano on it. Also, get your references right. Mack wasn't around in 74 - RT Baker was - so if I'm "going on as if I'm anyone" - it'd be Baker. People are allowed to be critical of Queen songs you know, we're not all stepfords like you Gerry. |
| Star* 08.12.2019 16:28 |
@Brenski You believe your own shit man that is ok. Other people on here have opinions too and you do not have the last word so do not think this is your show because it aint. |
| brENsKi 08.12.2019 18:28 |
100% wrote:@Brenski You believe your own shit man that is ok. Other people on here have opinions too and you do not have the last word so do not think this is your show because it aint.Didn't take long for the "Gerry Mask" slip did it? I never claimed to have "the last word". However, I do have an opinion and it's as valid as that of the next person - save for your's - which obviously presides over all of us. |
| Saint Jiub 08.12.2019 18:31 |
100% wrote: @Brenski You believe your own shit man that is ok. Other people on here have opinions too and you do not have the last word so do not think this is your show because it aint.Yeah Brenski - The last word belongs to <1% ... and that last word is fuckall. |
| Wild_Wind 09.12.2019 22:10 |
Always liked FTS, although the song's structure is a bit strange. The lyrics affect me deeply, which is unusual with Queen. |
| Dr Magus 10.12.2019 10:24 |
Father To Son is in my top 5 Queen songs. The guitar orchestrations are brilliant and John's bass probably never sounded better than on that song. Live versions kick arse too. |
| The Real Wizard 10.12.2019 16:00 |
100% wrote: Brenski You do go on as though you are "Mack" wanting to dismantle a final product which Queen the entire band were very happy with. Remember Queen would not have put any of that material out if they were not happy with it because Freddie was very meticulous and a perfectionist.Actually, all the guys in Queen weren't happy with every single Queen album. They all made massive compromises. It wasn't like The Stones where two guys called the shots - Queen was a democracy. They fought literally from day one because they all cared, not just Mercury. Three members of Queen hated Hot Space. And if we listen to interviews carefully, we know Mercury and Taylor didn't like plenty of the tunes they played on. Never mind the 80s - Taylor didn't even like You're My Best Friend at first. Your fixation on Mercury as the most dominant force in Queen once again illustrates how little you know about your favourite band. Mercury may have been a perfectionist in the 70s, but not by the 80s. At one point he wasn't even showing up to mixing sessions for his own songs, never mind the others' songs. His mind was elsewhere. Do you even know what a mixing session is? You are so unbelievably small-minded if you want to shut down discussion about Queen's albums on the assumption that the artists involved are completely happy with everything they ever released. This just illustrates, yet again, how little you understand about Queen, music, creativity, business, and interpersonal relationships. |
| brENsKi 10.12.2019 16:25 |
Exactly ^ Now let's see which one of us Geraldine attacks first. Probably me. |
| Star* 11.12.2019 13:10 |
@Real Wizzard Yet again you like to run Freddie down with your bile. Freddie was a perfectionist right up to his death and he was even more powerful as lead singer in the 80s, Remember "Live Aid" 1985 or did Canada have a total eclipse and you missed it lol Freddie wiped every artist away off the world stages that day so your comments do not get any justification from me. How do you know what went on behind the scenes with Freddie when you say Freddie's mind was elsewhere ? You make stories up to suit yourself. Freddie happens to be the greatest performer ever.... so you can stamp your feet like the silly little girl that you are and say that there are greater performers around but you will be wrong. The world is united and agrees Mr Mercury is the greatest front man of all time. |
| brENsKi 11.12.2019 13:56 |
Geraldine, exactly how many IDs do you have "on here" [sic]?
Every new post you make seems to (unbelievably) be more idiotic than you last.
100% wrote:blueWhy would a total eclipse in Canada in 1985 prevent people from watching TV? 100% wrote:blueFreddie's voice was not at its best for Live. There are excellent examples of this: Hammersmith 75 being a key one. He often lowered the high end because he struggled to reach those "studio conditions" notes live. These are established facts - facts that you ignore. Granted Live Aid was a good day for Freddie, but definitely not his live best. 100% wrote:bluewho/what is this "world" that is "united" that you speak of? - planet Gerry? |
| Star* 11.12.2019 17:18 |
@Brenski It is well documented that Live Aid was Queen's greatest gig so i don't really have to argue with you over that because you will probably favour someone else who is naff like Pink Floyd or Zeppelin on that fact. Ask anyone who is the greatest Front man and i bet you a dollar they will say Freddie Mercury. Sorry if you hate the idea of that otherwise you should not be on this site if you disagree. |
| brENsKi 11.12.2019 17:30 |
100% wrote:@Brenski It is well documented that Live Aid was Queen's greatest gig so i don't really have to argue with you over that because you will probably favour someone else who is naff like Pink Floyd or Zeppelin on that fact. Ask anyone who is the greatest Front man and i bet you a dollar they will say Freddie Mercury. Sorry if you hate the idea of that otherwise you should not be on this site if you disagree.how are Zeppelin - a band who influenced Queen "naff"? you have not read my post. again. idiot. |
| Star* 11.12.2019 17:44 |
Queen are a better set of musicians and much much talented than anyone in zeppelin plus Queen have had more success than Zeppelin, you really need to come out of the stone age Mr Brenski. And posting childish videos proves you are a troll trying to win the argument in your pathetic way - grow up looser ! |
| brENsKi 11.12.2019 18:44 |
100% wrote:Queen have had more success than Zeppelin, you really need to come out of the stone age Mr Brenski.there are only TWO places in the world where Queen had more success than Led Zeppelin - St Nicholas Mental Hospital (your home) and in YOUR MIND. Led Zeppelin - total certified worldwide sales - 137.2 million Queen - total worldwide sales = 95.6 million case closed, dimwit. |
| matt z 12.12.2019 01:08 |
What's wrong with being a pigeon man? I happen to love pigeons. I'm rocking a pigeon wind breaker as we speak and rescue and tend to park pigeons that get caught in goddamn slob humans' fishing line and trash (*also ducks and geese on the spot, Pigeons being much smaller may require more assistance as the lines saw and cut into their appendages). I don't know why it's being employed to retort a....umm... a ret....aaaah.. never mind. But yes.. "100%" must be a troll because it keeps spouting ignorant superlatives, side stepping reality and tossing in put downs Pigeons on the other hand have quite a history, in nature and among societies. Gotta bring their respect and admiration back. |
| Saint Jiub 12.12.2019 01:20 |
It's not against any religion ... link |
| Star* 12.12.2019 10:03 |
@Matt Z Have you seen Brenski starting all the rows on here then and he seems to get people turning the other cheek and i end up getting the blame because i reply back to his put downs on me I am not a troll and i do not post sarcastic videos or quotes on here like Brenski does so open your eyes and stop accusing me because i am not the one who is self opinionated that is brenski. I join in the posts then brenski slags my comments off then we have yet another row. He is a bully on here and had lots of rows on here with guys over the years. He is an ex- prison worker and has his head up his arse. |
| Vocal harmony 12.12.2019 11:53 |
100% wrote: . . . . . i am not the one who is self opinionated that is brenski. I join in the posts then brenski slags my comments off then we have yet another row. He is a bully on here. . . . . . . , , He is an ex- prison worker and has his head up his arse.Really? Do you have to include a personal insult in every post, and do you understand the meaning of self opinionated. |
| Vocal harmony 12.12.2019 11:54 |
The Real Wizard wrote:This ^^^^100% wrote: Brenski You do go on as though you are "Mack" wanting to dismantle a final product which Queen the entire band were very happy with. Remember Queen would not have put any of that material out if they were not happy with it because Freddie was very meticulous and a perfectionist.Actually, all the guys in Queen weren't happy with every single Queen album. They all made massive compromises. It wasn't like The Stones where two guys called the shots - Queen was a democracy. They fought literally from day one because they all cared, not just Mercury. Three members of Queen hated Hot Space. And if we listen to interviews carefully, we know Mercury and Taylor didn't like plenty of the tunes they played on. Never mind the 80s - Taylor didn't even like You're My Best Friend at first. Your fixation on Mercury as the most dominant force in Queen once again illustrates how little you know about your favourite band. Mercury may have been a perfectionist in the 70s, but not by the 80s. At one point he wasn't even showing up to mixing sessions for his own songs, never mind the others' songs. His mind was elsewhere. Do you even know what a mixing session is? You are so unbelievably small-minded if you want to shut down discussion about Queen's albums on the assumption that the artists involved are completely happy with everything they ever released. This just illustrates, yet again, how little you understand about Queen, music, creativity, business, and interpersonal relationships. |
| Star* 12.12.2019 12:08 |
@Vocal Harmony : i am not getting into more shit with yous lot on here so stop trolling and analysing my opinions, move on. Chill out because you all think you are in court and its just a web site on a rock band. You are the narrow minded lot on here thinking there is more to a post than what the question is asking. We will never agree on anything so do not bother replying because i am not bothered about your shit opinions. |
| Stick 12.12.2019 13:08 |
Not getting into more shit would require you to simply stop posting. And that means under every name you use on here because of how recognizable you are. So if that is what you meant (I doubt it) oh happy day! |
| brENsKi 12.12.2019 13:26 |
100% wrote:@Vocal Harmony : i am not getting into more shit with yous lot on here so stop trolling and analysing my opinions, move on. Chill out because you all think you are in court and its just a web site on a rock band. You are the narrow minded lot on here thinking there is more to a post than what the question is asking. We will never agree on anything so do not bother replying because i am not bothered about your shit opinions.Geraldine, Geraldine, Geraldine! You're the one flying off the deep end whenever someone dares to post a view point that doesn't agree 100% (ironically) with your viewpoint. I can see why it's getting to you - all those people being wrong all the time, while your six usernames are always right. It must be an unenviable task having to juggle six usernames - while making sure ALL SIX USERNAMES disagree with EVERYONE, but remember to agree with YOURSELVES. hehe At least five of your six usernames are long-overdue a breakdown - any day now...In an effort to help you, I've phoned St Nicholas' Hospital - they have beds for FOUR of your usernames. all the best |
| Star* 12.12.2019 14:38 |
@ Brenski You are a fucking disgrace discriminating people with mental health issues. That is the card you keep on playing time and time again the mental health issues. If you were still employed and you tried this stunt then you would inevitabely be sacked on the spot. Just do yourself a favour and pick on some one else because i don't deal with trash like you pal. |
| brENsKi 12.12.2019 15:41 |
100% wrote:@ Brenski You are a fucking disgrace discriminating people with mental health issues. That is the card you keep on playing time and time again the mental health issues. If you were still employed and you tried this stunt then you would inevitabely be sacked on the spot. Just do yourself a favour and pick on some one else because i don't deal with trash like you pal.I haven't picked on you. I disagree with your viewpoint - then YOU get hostile. Unfortunately, you then can't cope when people respond to you in a like-for-like manner. You appear to think everyone should think like you, and if they don't then they should feel the full force of your blunt insults...but they're not allowed to retaliate. For your information - and I've said this before (check it): For the last few years of my Prison Service I was Equality Manager and I know exactly how to behave and treat and interact with people with genuine mental illness. Your case is different: You are a nasty-minded, imbalanced, aggressive, disordered yob who has no respect for anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint. The reason's I've made references to St Nicholas' - is because of what it used to be...a place where people exactly like you were sent - a long time ago. If you could even articulate ONE of your several Qzone IDs in a manner other than hatred and hostility you may (may) just have a chance. Don't speak to me about my approach. Whether some like me or not - I've never overstepped any mark that has got me banned. Geraldine, "Yous" [sic] - on the other hand, have been banned (at least) three times with the iDs - "Gerry" "rugby_guy" and Mr_Music". Says it all that the only way you can survive "on here" [sic] is to keep creating new IDs. Thinking somehow mods will be unable to hit a moving target. Doesn't matter really though, because your IDs may change and move around, but they all carry the self-same rancid stench of Geraldine - so in the end we ALL know who you are. You're an incoherent mouth-breathing, pants-shitting, waste of oxygen and carbon-based life. Somewhere the scum at the bottom of a pond is missing you and awaits your return. |
| Star* 12.12.2019 17:29 |
@brenski : You need to go back on page one of this thread and see YOU were the first to insult me, and i quote your words "People are allowed to be critical of Queen songs you know, we're not all stepfords like you Gerry". Does that ring any bells then? i never get offensive unless someone has a pop at me and you are always been nasty to me on here. If you do not like me then fine do not reply to my post's, in fact anyone sane would do that but between "Real Wizard, Vocal Harmony and you (Brenski) you attack me on purpose. Three cowards to come to mind. |
| Star* 12.12.2019 17:39 |
@Brenski See what i mean you are a piece of nasty shit that is stuck to the bottom of the toilet. I wish you were fucking dead you raby infected cunt that you are. Still want to attack me then, go ahead but you'l loose. I don't give a fuck were you worked or who you are but if i ever met you, you would piss yourself of fright mate. You maybe all talk behind your screen there but i could very easily wipe that smile of your fucking smug face. You are a just a coward putting a show on for your twisted mates on here, well the only dick head on here is you. You have been a head case on here for the past 7 years and yes you have been in row after row with other men on here because your are unbalanced and evil. i pity your wife having such a narrow minded twat for a husband. Why don't you do us all a favour and fuck off you piece of shit. |
| brENsKi 12.12.2019 17:49 |
100% wrote: @brenski : You need to go back on page one of this thread and see YOU were the first to insult me, and i quote your words "People are allowed to be critical of Queen songs you know, we're not all stepfords like you Gerry".no. it's an objective (and accurate) observation. you fail to see any fault in anything the band ever did while Freddie was alive. If you think "stepford" is an insult, it's not. it exactly defines fans like yourself who are incapable of criticizing something they worship. if you're not a stepford then prove it - say something critical of Queen from 1973-1991. One other thing, if you feel so wronged by the term stepford then you are distinctively snowflake-like - which is a little perverse, when you consider the level of profanity, abuse and sheer diatribe you deploy rather than disagree with people in a calm and considered way. look toward your own use of language before attacking others. 100% wrote:i never get offensive unless someone has a pop at me and you are always been nasty to me on here.as I said before no one is "nasty to you on here" [sic]. People will react with like-for-like. And, they have every right to do so. You don't have an inalienable right to dish the crap without retribution in return. Seems you are starting to crack - because people are refusing to back down against you, and your complaining about it is getting louder. 100% wrote: If you do not like me then fine do not reply to my post's, in fact anyone sane would do that but between "Real Wizard, Vocal Harmony and you (Brenski) you attack me on purpose.Three cowards to come to mind.who the JHC are you telling people who they can and can't reply to and disagree with on an open forum? no one died and made you God. The reactions you get are fully merited by the bile you dish out - reacting to what is thrown at us. Perhaps if you start replying in a considered and articulate way, and dialed down on the hostility and cr*p people might cut you some slack...but YOU need to find a way to make that adjustment. FWIW: i will always exercise my right to criticise anything I don't like about my favourite band. And you can do your level best to disagree. But, mark these words fella - every time you dial the bile, I WILL retaliate. You're living in a glass house - so stop throwing stones. You know the answer - calm down, talk sensibly and you won't aggravate people. If you're not hurling brickbats, "we" have no need to hurl back at you. |
| brENsKi 12.12.2019 18:03 |
100% wrote:@Brenski See what i mean you are a piece of nasty shit that is stuck to the bottom of the toilet. I wish you were fucking dead you raby infected cunt that you are. Still want to attack me then, go ahead but you'l loose. I don't give a fuck were you worked or who you are but if i ever met you, you would piss yourself of fright mate. You maybe all talk behind your screen there but i could very easily wipe that smile of your fucking smug face. You are a just a coward putting a show on for your twisted mates on here, well the only dick head on here is you. You have been a head case on here for the past 7 years and yes you have been in row after row with other men on here because your are unbalanced and evil. i pity your wife having such a narrow minded twat for a husband. Why don't you do us all a favour and fuck off you piece of shit.kept this one for (reference) - the first paragraph. |
| Star* 12.12.2019 18:05 |
I don't want to speak to you on here again so fuck off you wanker. You are a disgusting excuse for a man. Go and walk under a fucking bus, and do us all a favour on here.. Get the message get lost. |
| brENsKi 12.12.2019 18:48 |
100% wrote:I don't want to speak to you on here again so fuck off you wanker. You are a disgusting excuse for a man. Go and walk under a fucking bus, and do us all a favour on here.. Get the message get lost.what a sweet little troll you are. full of the milk of human kindness. i hope you don't use that mouth to kiss people (not "on here" [sic] ) that you love...not without washing it out first - with bleach! |
| Stick 12.12.2019 19:01 |
As if you would recognize a message from a crowd of people even it it would be branded on your forehead. YOU are the scum here. YOU are the delusional idiot who lacks the ability to understand the meaning of your own character and words. YOU are the one not wanted by many. YOU are the one who is disliked for pretty much every comment you make. YOU are the one who doesn't understand that others don't want you around yet still understand that you can't change. YOU are so very, very unwelcome here and comically fails to see this forever. Half the universe was a bit much, but if Thanos were real there is an endless case to be made for snapping you out of here. Gerry, you are the epitome of the opposite of a self-aware human being. You are simply an idiot. A moron.An undeveloped child that yet still aged. A worthless, socially retarded, dumb, arrogant, blind and useless individual. Take this to heart: if how you are on here is any indication of how you always are in life, no-one and I mean no-one can or will ever want to love you. Mommy might be blind like most moms are but you are one of THE worst bad stains on the reputation of human kind. If you have any, any sense of what is right, you will leave. Go to a cave, become a hermit and forever reflect on what and how you have become to be like this in this life. Wherever you go you create shit stains with your presence after opening your mouth. You do not deserve positive attention because you can't ever respect another being. You have proven this for a long while now and nothing has every changed. You are a vile, disgusting and worthless person. Just. Go. Think about how people treat you in real life and conclude for yourself what can be done about that. Think back to school and how everyone else seemed like the idiot. Its the same now. And whatever you may think about yourself, you are wrong. It was you. It was your fault and you view of others has always been crooked. You. Are. Hopeless. |
| brENsKi 12.12.2019 19:05 |
standing ovation ^ |
| Stick 12.12.2019 19:06 |
Haha thanks! I have my moments... |
| Star* 12.12.2019 19:32 |
@Stick Yet another fucking coward hiding behind mummies computer screen, if you have something to say cunt face lets settle it outside and meet up yeah? |
| brENsKi 12.12.2019 19:37 |
100% wrote: @Stick Yet another fucking coward hiding behind mummies computer screen, if you have something to say cunt face lets settle it outside and meet up yeah?retained for reference. one sure route to a ban is threats of violence. |
| Star* 12.12.2019 19:41 |
@Brenski My oh my are you a fucking man or a mouse you big nonce. |
| Stick 12.12.2019 19:59 |
Whahaha I think I hit a sensitive snare if you are resorting to physical violence Gerry! You know that fists are only an option for those who are intellectually outmatched do you? You could not have painted yourself in a worse light with those words. But it seems that finally you are beginning to realize how much of a dumb caveman you are. Reaching for your bat so soon? But hey do what you want. You will learn who you are sooner or later. We have an infinite supply of mirrors to throw at you no matter how long you try to look away. You will have to see yourself for what you are. The Romans invented plumbing just for pieces of shit like you. No-one wants to sit in the stench you naturally exude so just float away like history has always tried to do with the likes of you. Please, read my previous statement to you again and feel the frustration eating away at you. Feel it gnawing at your self-image. Feel it speaking the truth to you at long last. You are an evolutionary dead end. That mutant that was born but will forever be shunted by others so nothing will come of it and nothing will come after it. Have fun with your feelings beautiful! |
| Star* 12.12.2019 20:17 |
@Stick What sort of a fucking user name is that? Why don't you put your stick where the sun don't shine you looser. I am use to dealing with low life's like you, so carry on with your trolling, then when you are finished get back in the fucking gutter where you belong shit wipe, |
| Star* 12.12.2019 21:02 |
@Stick: Worthless uneducated idiot by the name of "Stick" and that name suits you because you are shit stirrer probably with your "Stick" lol Actually i have lots of friends i am very well respected in my community and have a super life, sorry to disappoint you little rent boy ! |
| Stick 12.12.2019 21:04 |
Used to dealing with without engaging with even 1% of what is being thrown at you? They call that avoiding the subject Gerry. You can throw around as many baseless insults as you like but until you accept that people want you to look at yourself because you act like a dumb shit they are meaningless. Your words are as empty as your character on here don't you see? You think you are throwing balls made of steel but in reality they are made of hot air and don't even register to the people they are aimed at. You are a bad clown that is here for everyone to make fun of. But you still think you are being taken seriously. You are nothing and are being treated as something that is free to pick on and to do with as one likes. Your value is simply zero. I know you think you can't let others win whatever it takes and you think that if you stop the others have won. But you also know that in the end there is no other option. So you have to think, keep wasting your time and energy on a losing battle, or dealing with the feeling of having lost in your own imagined world. Deal with the feeling is my advice, it will help you grow. Probably for the first time in your life. |
| Stick 12.12.2019 21:08 |
FYI Stick is derived from my last name through lots of changes invented by a friend of mine. But typically you focus on some online nickname instead of engaging with the comments. Avoiding, walking away, ignoring, baseless insults. Yeah, like those aren't the characteristics of a stereotypical simple, weak and frail mind. Every word you utter proves what everyone is saying about you. You are more blind to your actions than a mother goose eating its young. Blackadder probably has a very nice and creative description of you. |
| brENsKi 12.12.2019 21:54 |
100% wrote:Actually i have lots of friends i am very well respected in my community!not on here [sic] |
| The Real Wizard 13.12.2019 00:19 |
Stick wrote: You're an incoherent mouth-breathing, pants-shitting, waste of oxygen and carbon-based life. The Romans invented plumbing just for pieces of shit like you. No-one wants to sit in the stench you naturally exude so just float away like history has always tried to do with the likes of you.Bravo. This was a work of art. |
| brENsKi 13.12.2019 07:03 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Stick wrote: You're an incoherent mouth-breathing, pants-shitting, waste of oxygen and carbon-based life. The Romans invented plumbing just for pieces of shit like you. No-one wants to sit in the stench you naturally exude so just float away like history has always tried to do with the likes of you.Bravo. This was a work of art. purplethanks. the first line was mine - think it was re-quoted by stick |
| Star* 13.12.2019 12:11 |
Typical bullies trolling again ! Well you cannot accuse me of trolling now because you lot have just surpassed me on here by miles. Twat's defending twats, classic. |
| brENsKi 13.12.2019 12:29 |
100% wrote:Typical bullies trolling again ! Well you cannot accuse me of trolling now because you lot have just surpassed me on here by miles. Twat's defending twats, classic.Geraldine, you're completely out of your depth (on here [sic]). The best/most amusing part is that you're utterly clueless as to your own perilous situation. When in quicksand it's best you stop thrashing around. |
| Star* 13.12.2019 15:02 |
@brENski I guess i am out of my depth with so many idiots on here like you and shit "stick" your buddy. I honestly do not understand why you stalk me on here for but it must be because you really like me and get a kick out of been a nasty evil twat. Ex - screw plays diva on Queenzone eh ! |
| brENsKi 13.12.2019 15:38 |
100% wrote:@brENski I guess i am out of my depth with so many idiots on here like you and shit "stick" your buddy. I honestly do not understand why you stalk me on here for but it must be because you really like me and get a kick out of been a nasty evil twat. Ex - screw plays diva on Queenzone eh ! Nobody is stalking you - you insecure little snowflake. If you or anyone here posts something I disagree with, then I will disagree with it - it's a public forum, Geraldine. And, when said poster descends disagreement into insults, then I will respond accordingly. Again - I'm not an ex-screw - but you still refuse to grasp that. This will be down to a high level of the "imbecile protein" created by your "moron DNA" overloaded Genome. You don't want a conversation? - then don't reply to me. It's a simple choice Geraldine. |
| Stick 13.12.2019 17:16 |
It's not the amount of people against you that makes you out of your depth. It's the amount of intelligence combined with the self awareness that flows out of it that you lack compared to every individual that is against you. As you yourself so often admitted, you don't understand it. It's like when tribes in the jungle are shown a calculator, it's like magic to them cause they can't fathom how it works. Likewise you can't fathom how people who are much smarter and more developed than you can look at you like they do. And of course laugh out loud while interacting with you. Ever see that look on a dogs face when you fake throw a ball? That's you. |
| brENsKi 13.12.2019 17:19 |
Stick wrote:It's not the amount of people against you that makes you out of your depth. It's the amount of intelligence combined with the self awareness that flows out of it that you lack compared to every individual that is against you. As you yourself so often admitted, you don't understand it. It's like when tribes in the jungle are shown a calculator, it's like magic to them cause they can't fathom how it works. Likewise you can't fathom how people who are much smarter and more developed than you can look at you like they do. And of course laugh out loud while interacting with you. Ever see that look on a dogs face when you fake throw a ball? That's you.Applauds! ...or his dad playing "Gerry, I've got your nose" - when he was 19 yrs old! |
| Star* 13.12.2019 17:58 |
@brenski You over analyse everything i do on here and i believe you are obsessed with me admit it. You have to reply back to me because you idolise me in a big way. I see you have no fixation over anybody else on here only me. You put me down but you do not really know me and you would get a shock if you did then you would be that dog that had a silly look on its face after eating its own shit ha ha ha |
| brENsKi 13.12.2019 18:56 |
brownYou really over-estimate yourself and everything you do "on here" [sic]. The only reason for replying to you is a sense of fun. Oh, and marveling at the low standard of the adult literacy class you're currently attending. brownFor once we agree. I would get a shock - but only if (upon meeting you) I discovered that you could walk upright and breathe through your nose. |
| Stick 13.12.2019 19:36 |
Gerry your last response feels uninspired and kinda weak. Even the "insults" don't really seem to have your heart behind it. I think your motivation is going and the difference between your level (average hooligan but with a tiny and frail body) and ours (normal people) is becoming apparent to you. Kuddos for starting the first small step on the path of change! Have a Scooby snack! |
| Star* 14.12.2019 07:40 |
Shit Stick : You are not normal in any way so don't fool yourself matey. I have not really started with my real insults yet, because i think you could not cope. Run along now and do not forget to turn mummies computer off, clever girl ! he he he he |
| brENsKi 14.12.2019 15:07 |
Stick wrote:Gerry your last response feels uninspired and kinda weak. Even the "insults" don't really seem to have your heart behind it.I was going to agree with you, but. Geraldine's responses have always been weak. He's doing his best - the insults are always 100% (see what I did there?) full on - just always p*ss-poor nonetheless. |
| Iron Butterfly 14.12.2019 15:28 |
As for those three songs I think prove the appeal that Queen had. I love all three songs. Out of all those, Liar is my favorite out of them, in fact I think it's underrated. One of the songs I wish I was a fly on the wall as it was coming together. |
| brENsKi 14.12.2019 15:45 |
Iron Butterfly wrote:Out of all those, Liar is my favorite out of them, in fact I think it's underrated.agreed. As I said before, Liar was the megalith of early queen. how about taking the best Freddie compositions from those first three albums? you'd have the greatest album queen never made: SIDE BLACK Seven Seas of Rhye (instrumental) Liar Fairy Feller's Masterstroke Nevermore March of the Black Queen Funny How Love Is Seven Seas of Rhye SIDE BLACKER In The Lap of the Gods Great King Rat Killer Queen Flick of the Wrist Lily of the Valley My Fairy King In The Lap of the Gods...revisited That album would be 48 minutes long - and all killer, no filler. |
| Iron Butterfly 14.12.2019 19:02 |
7brENsKi wrote:Take my money...no kidding, I like what you did here. That would be a heck of a great album.Iron Butterfly wrote:Out of all those, Liar is my favorite out of them, in fact I think it's underrated.agreed. As I said before, Liar was the megalith of early queen. how about taking the best Freddie compositions from those first three albums? you'd have the greatest album queen never made: SIDE BLACK Seven Seas of Rhye (instrumental) Liar Fairy Feller's Masterstroke Nevermore March of the Black Queen Funny How Love Is Seven Seas of Rhye SIDE BLACKER In The Lap of the Gods Great King Rat Killer Queen Flick of the Wrist Lily of the Valley My Fairy King In The Lap of the Gods...revisited That album would be 48 minutes long - and all killer, no filler. |
| Star* 14.12.2019 20:13 |
Yet again Brenski talks utter crap for attention ! |
| Stick 14.12.2019 20:54 |
Better trash the record. It's skipping to much. |
| brENsKi 14.12.2019 22:14 |
SW10 wrote:Yet again Brenski talks utter crap for attention !it's a playlist of tracks from the first 3 LPs - all written by your (supposed) hero Freddie. Yet you call it utter crap. Obviously you know f-all about Freddie then - or his songs. Gerry - John Mellencamp Gerry rides his skateboard down the street He's fifty-seven years old with six children He sees the world through a ten year old boy's eyes He doesn't even notice that it's raining outside Gerry's yelling at the man in the moon Gerry's yelling at the man in the moon |
| Star* 15.12.2019 10:28 |
Brenski You do need psychiatric help and everyone on here understands working in the prison's has fucked your brain up mate. I am not going to punish you this time just pity you because i have sympathy for folk who are unbalanced and waiting for mental health treatment like you. Keeping taking the Seroxat tablets and go and visit your local "Mind" organisation. I did think there was something wrong with you when your said Zeppelin were better than Queen ha ha ha ha |
| brENsKi 15.12.2019 10:41 |
SW10 wrote:Brenski Keeping taking the Seroxat tablets and go and visit your local "Mind" organisation.Seroxat is an anti-depressant - I'm very happy, so I wouldn't need it. But, as you seem very aware of Seroxat, perhaps this is because you've been taking it instead of your prescribed clozapine. It would certainly explain the increase in your recent psychotic episodes SW10 wrote:I did think there was something wrong with you when your said Zeppelin were better than Queen ha ha ha haI never said better. I said bigger. Learn to read you illiterate imbecile. Better = opinion = subjective Bigger = fact = objective |
| Star* 15.12.2019 14:32 |
Tut Tut you do clog up these threads with your trash comments. In fact since you have been on here in three weeks you have trolled more than anybody else on here. Seems like retirement has left you bored and silly. |
| Stick 15.12.2019 15:24 |
I think you're mistaking trolling for making fun of an asshole. Or at least what usually gets pushed out of it. Remember Gerry, you smell, act and look like a piece of shit on here. You might forget from day to day but we won't because you keep leaving those brown stains everywhere. You are the ant that keeps thinking it's smarter than the giants that tower over you. You are small, boring, insignificant and forever worthy of ridicule (see my signature). You are a sad and worthless excuse for a human being whose time and effort spend on here is just for your own justification. No-one actually sees you as a serious partner for discussion or for that matter as one to take seriously whatever you spew out on here. You are a zombie to be behold as a weird curiosity but not to be understood why you are still walking around. A shell, empty, lifeless and devoid of growth or even a spark of originality. You are the fluff of your own life. You are nothing. A small play thing that squeaks now and again but doesn't hold any real value or interest to anybody. You are so boring, repetitive and predictable that replying to you only has the value of sharpening ones own attempt at originality and creativity and to pass the time on a dull moment of the day. But of course, as always, your delusion with yourself is far stronger than any reality that might be shown to you. Any mirror, any analysis of what you are and mostly of what you are not. Time for dinner I guess. You are hopeless beyond words. See you next time when I feel like trying to flush you again! |
| Star* 15.12.2019 16:56 |
@Shit Stick : There do you feel better now you have spewed up your guts pet? Run along to mammy because you need a bath before you go to nursery in the morning luvvie ha ha ha |
| brENsKi 15.12.2019 16:56 |
ROSE. wrote:Tut Tut you do clog up these threads with your trash comments. In fact since you have been on here in three weeks you have trolled more than anybody else on here. Seems like retirement has left you bored and silly.I've been on here [sic] a lot longer than 3 weeks. It's going to be well over 10 years. Another name change? well I'll just continue to call you Geraldine - you do realise that changing your username is not an etch-a-sketch solution to all of the idiotic posts you're made to date. Although, ROSE kinda suits you - and naming yourself after your hero: Rose West, is more fitting in with your own personality (such as it is). |
| brENsKi 15.12.2019 17:40 |
Iron Butterfly wrote:Take my money...no kidding, I like what you did here. That would be a heck of a great album.Freddie was a prolific writer back then. He definitely managed the production line. I tried to compile a "Brian" album from those first 3 LPs - it was good - but not great. Then I did the same with Bri/Rog/John songs and it still didn't measure up to the "Freddie LP" It all kind of falls into place when you consider that throughout the 70s - Freddie wrote the hit singles for the UK (home market): Brian 3½ (two of these did not make the UK top 20) Freddie 7½ John 2 (1 did not make UK top 20) Roger 0 |
| Star* 15.12.2019 18:48 |
Freddie was the one in the band to get them into the limelight with his songwriting in the 70s which was head and shoulders above other band members. |
| brENsKi 15.12.2019 19:12 |
BQT8. wrote:Freddie was the one in the band to get them into the limelight with his songwriting in the 70s which was head and shoulders above other band members.It wasn't that his songwriting was head and shoulders above the others - more that he had an ear for a hit single. Doin' Alright Father To Son White Queen Night Comes Down It's Late Spread Your Wings Who Needs You - are as good as Freddie's writing over the same period. They just weren't hit singles. In fact, it could be argued that Brian was the more balanced and mature writer - as tracks like "Doin' Alright", "Son & Daughter" and "Brighton Rock" had much of their origins in the Smile material. Brian was writing Zep-type tracks, while Freddie was nearer to Genesis/Yes storytelling style (but not arrangement) |
| Star* 15.12.2019 21:07 |
Mercury's songwriting was nothing like Genesis or Yes far from it. His songwriting was sophisticated and over the top with some of the gems he wrote and no one ever wrote a song like "Bohemian Rhapsody" add to that brilliant ditties like "Killer Queen" "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" "Seven Seas of Rhye" and "Bicycle Race" Freddie was the greatest songwriter in the band easily. As the eighties began Fred was comfortable enough to let the other band members have a go and he took a back seat. |
| Stick 15.12.2019 21:14 |
I don't know. Difficult to compare the song writing abilities of the individual members. One would have to know everything about which part of a song can be attributed to what member and what it would mean in comparison to parts of songs attributed to others. Personally I can't choose. |
| brENsKi 15.12.2019 23:07 |
BQT8. wrote: Mercury's songwriting was nothing like Genesis or Yes far from it. His songwriting was sophisticated and over the top with some of the gems he wrote and no one ever wrote a song like "Bohemian Rhapsody" add to that brilliant ditties like "Killer Queen" "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" "Seven Seas of Rhye" and "Bicycle Race" Freddie was the greatest songwriter in the band easily. As the eighties began Fred was comfortable enough to let the other band members have a go and he took a back seat.You're definitely Gerry. No doubt about it.You give yourself away with your inability to read. I never said Freddie's songwriting was like Genesis or Yes. Read again please. I said: purplebest examples of this: My Fairy King, Jesus, March of the Black Queen, Seven Seas of Rhye, Great King Rat, Ogre Battle, Fairy Feller - all storyteller-type songs. I'd suggest you refer to the period of the thread-title - this is about the early-Queen stuff. And, FYI - SSOR is not a "little ditty" - it's a great rock song expertly condensed sub-3 minutes and used the exact kind of story-telling language I referred to: lords and lady preachers, peers and privvy counsellors, master marathon, flash and thunder fire, shod and shady senators, mighty titan and his troubadours...these are old-world terms used to tell the story. there's a huge difference between style (storytelling) and arrangement - which is precisely why I made the distinction in the first place. |
| Star* 16.12.2019 11:39 |
@Brenski Amen zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| AlbaNo1 16.12.2019 20:11 |
Freddie contributed nearly 30 songs to the first five albums. While he obviously wrote the biggest hits in that period it’s a little spurious to suggest he wasn’t the main overall contributor to the early albums or kind of imply that hits are simple and album tracks are mature. |
| brENsKi 16.12.2019 23:00 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:Freddie contributed nearly 30 songs to the first five albums. While he obviously wrote the biggest hits in that period it’s a little spurious to suggest he wasn’t the main overall contributor to the early albums or kind of imply that hits are simple and album tracks are mature.I think you've maybe taken my post out of context. I've said that Freddie had a good feel for writing hit singles, but I also said about his ability as a storyteller. I wasn't referring to Brian as "more grown up" - more that his songs had matured through a longer development period. As I said Brighton Rock Son & Daughter Doin' Alright and White Queen were all several years old (in one form or another) by the time they appeared on Queen albums. |
| AlbaNo1 16.12.2019 23:19 |
That just highlights how much Freddie exploded out of seemingly nowhere. But must have been carrying a lot inside.Of those Brian song examples that’s one great, one good, and two average at best. So if he did have more writing experience ,Brian took longer to produce less. Queen II could have a Brian full side one if he had the tunes, but he faded out with Some Day, One Day. That sounds like it’s Smile esque. Procession through to White Queen sounds like Queen. |
| brENsKi 17.12.2019 22:30 |
AlbaNo1 wrote: That just highlights how much Freddie exploded out of seemingly nowhere. But must have been carrying a lot inside.Of those Brian song examples that’s one great, one good, and two average at best. So if he did have more writing experience ,Brian took longer to produce less. Queen II could have a Brian full side one if he had the tunes, but he faded out with Some Day, One Day. That sounds like it’s Smile esque. Procession through to White Queen sounds like Queen.I think I'd have preferred Side White with Some Day, One Day removed and replaced with See What A Fool I've Been |
| brENsKi 18.12.2019 16:56 |
Right, I've mixed this into a complete album - running time 48:23 BLACKER Seven Seas of Rhye (instrumental) Liar Fairy Feller's Masterstroke Nevermore March of the Black Queen Funny How Love Is Seven Seas of Rhye BLACKER STILL In The Lap of the Gods Great King Rat Killer Queen Flick of the Wrist Lily of the Valley My Fairy King In The Lap of the Gods...revisited I'm actually quite pleased with some of the segues/splices - one or two worked out really well. Playlist is called "Fred I" Anyhow, it's on my Archos 5 for my Morocco trip - along with a playlist of Freddie- written songs from Opera-Game and another of Roger/John songs. |
| Star* 19.12.2019 10:49 |
Really Brenski you do have too much time on your hands tut tut |
| brENsKi 19.12.2019 11:06 |
BQT8. wrote:Really Brenski you do have too much time on your hands tut tutI don't get why compiling playlists is a bad thing? and anyway, hearing those songs in this way works quite nicely - esp through in-ear sennheisers. |
| Star* 19.12.2019 12:32 |
Well if that tosses your salad then fine ! |
| brENsKi 22.12.2019 16:53 |
BQT8. wrote:Well if that tosses your salad then fine !No. what "tosses my salad" is being able to deal with Geraldine from as remote a location as possible. It's really nice to be constantly neck-high in all-inclusive spirits - allowing for dealing with the sub-intelligence that is "Geraldine", once already three-sheets-to-the-wind. Agaidir, Morocco - for Christmas, really works...as does 23-29 degrees of sunshine. link |
| brENsKi 22.12.2019 16:53 |
BQT8. wrote:Well if that tosses your salad then fine !No. what "tosses my salad" is being able to deal with Geraldine from as remote a location as possible. It's really nice to be constantly neck-high in all-inclusive spirits - allowing for dealing with the sub-intelligence that is "Geraldine", once already three-sheets-to-the-wind. Agaidir, Morocco - for Christmas, really works...as does 23-29 degrees of sunshine. |
| Star* 22.12.2019 17:21 |
@Brenski I honestly do not know what you are going about but i think your just on here to cause even more trouble. You have been going on and on and not chatting about what this thread is actually about. Troll troll troll troll troll troll .................................................... |
| brENsKi 23.12.2019 07:27 |
BQT8. wrote: @Brenski I honestly do not know what you are going about but i think your just on here to cause even more trouble. You have been going on and on and not chatting about what this thread is actually about. Troll troll troll troll troll troll ....................................................que the f*ck???? |
