| ACCR 31.10.2019 20:31 |
Which one is better album? Opinions?? |
| mooghead 31.10.2019 20:38 |
Define 'better' |
| runner_70 31.10.2019 20:43 |
Works as it is a return to form. Sure it is pretty predictable and safe but there are great songs on it: Hard Life/Gaga/Break Free are classics , I also love Keep passing the open windows and Machines is awesome as well. Not a bad song on it except Man On The prowl maybe which is too predictable as CLTCL part 2. Magic was too poppy for me. Magic (the song) was way better in the Highlander version, I hate "Pain is so close" and "Don't lose your head". "Princes" is awesome but all in all it is way weaker than Works imo |
| ACCR 31.10.2019 20:44 |
Which one do you prefer? Which album has better songs? Etc |
| mooghead 31.10.2019 20:47 |
Define 'better' |
| runner_70 31.10.2019 21:01 |
mooghead wrote: Define 'better'"Deeper" tracks I suppose. No sappy throwaway pop stuff. Magc had some of the latter. AS had the Miracle. |
| Nathan H 31.10.2019 21:24 |
As an album I rather The Works but there are more songs that I love on A Kind Of Magic. |
| runner_70 31.10.2019 21:29 |
Really? Gaga - great Tear it up - Cool hard rock/Metal Song Hard Life - Classic Man on The Prowl - meh Machines - cool Deep cut Keep passing - Great song Break Free - Classic Hammer: Classic Rocker World we created: great ballad One Vision: Great rocker Magic: One of their worst hits One year of Love - great vocals - boring song Pain - bad song Friends - Champions part 2 - ok song but no classic Live Forever: Classic Gimme THe Prize: ala Tear it up and Hitman but worse Don't lose your head - crap song Princes: Classic Works is very underrated for me |
| Holly2003 31.10.2019 21:32 |
If they were the dwarfs from Snow White, The Works would be Happy and AKOM would be Dopey. If they were days of the week, The Works would be Friday and AKOM Tue or Wed. If they were months, The Works would be April and AKOM November. I hope that's clarified the situation for you. |
| Stick 31.10.2019 22:19 |
Better is hard to quantify. I like both albums a lot for different reasons. For me, AKOM wins because of me liking the overall atmosphere of it more. Cant really objectively explain it but I do love it a lot. A bit more than The Works even though I know and can see how it might be better than AKOM. Am one of those who love DLYH and really like PISCTP and OYOL. |
| Russian Headlong 2 31.10.2019 22:29 |
The Works easy winner. The only good tunes on AKOM are OV, POTU, GTP. The rest are poor including hits AKOM, WTLF or FWBF. PISCTP is one of their worse songs ever. |
| Sweet Rhapsody 31.10.2019 22:38 |
The Works |
| Day dop 31.10.2019 22:38 |
The Works. |
| darcy-wright 31.10.2019 22:57 |
id say the works. i skip alot of a kind of magic. The duds like pain is so close are the ones i suprise my wife with who is a "greatest hits" fan, and shes normally like "whats this crap" |
| Saint Jiub 31.10.2019 23:47 |
Works? Magic? Ice chunk enema? ... I'm leaning toward the enema |
| k-m 01.11.2019 00:30 |
the works is better, but the production is problematic. it sounds like a collection of singles, not an album. |
| Dim 01.11.2019 01:21 |
The works, however AKOM has One vision, who wants to live for ever, gimme the prize and Princes of the universe. If The works had I go crazy, Beautiful Dreams, Love kills thus 12 songs instead of 9 it could have been a milestone album of 80s |
| Jimmy Dean 01.11.2019 01:21 |
runner_70 wrote:Define “deeper”.mooghead wrote: Define 'better'"Deeper" tracks I suppose. No sappy throwaway pop stuff. Magc had some of the latter. AS had the Miracle. To me the deeper you go, the shittier it smells. Hear what I say? Some days you’re feeling good, some days you’re feeling bad |
| Day dop 01.11.2019 01:42 |
Runner_70 is about as deep as a puddle of cats piss. |
| Fly away 01.11.2019 01:59 |
Works, hands down. Side two (Machines to ITTWWC), is one of my favourite sides of all their albums. Yes, I’m old. |
| GreatKingFairyFeller 01.11.2019 03:52 |
The Works altogether, but Who wants to live forever and princes of the universe beat any song on The Works. |
| ACCR 01.11.2019 04:22 |
I prefer AKOM More balanced to me in overall condition One Vision A kind of Magic Princes of Universe One Year of Love Friends Will be Friends Who wants to live forever Gimme the prize Don't lose your head Pain is a close to pleasure is still nice (I enjoy it) It's an amazing disc!! |
| Day dop 01.11.2019 06:12 |
GreatKingFairyFeller wrote: The Works altogether, but Who wants to live forever and princes of the universe beat any song on The Works.I'd take Hammer To Fall and Radio Gaga over Princes of the Universe. |
| HelloDelilah 01.11.2019 06:35 |
I like The Works better hands down. Radio Gaga, Hammer to Fall, and It's a Hard Life are great songs. The best song on the Magic album is One Vision. |
| Makka 01.11.2019 07:14 |
runner_70 wrote: Really? Gaga - great Tear it up - Cool hard rock/Metal Song Hard Life - Classic Man on The Prowl - meh Machines - cool Deep cut Keep passing - Great song Break Free - Classic Hammer: Classic Rocker World we created: great ballad One Vision: Great rocker Magic: One of their worst hits One year of Love - great vocals - boring song Pain - bad song Friends - Champions part 2 - ok song but no classic Live Forever: Classic Gimme THe Prize: ala Tear it up and Hitman but worse Don't lose your head - crap song Princes: Classic Works is very underrated for meYeah pretty much the way I see it but I don't mind the Kind of Magic track although the live version is heaps better. And in my opinion Tear It Up is a much better song than Gimme The Prize and Hitman (Hitman....uuuugh) So in my opinion The Works is the better album. |
| dysan 01.11.2019 07:32 |
They both seem a bit under powered overall but each has it's great moments. They have a distinct different feel which may be just down to my personal nostalgia (The Works - wintery and cold, AKOM - warm and summery) but objectively I get as much out of both of them depending on the mood. Neither are a go-to. |
| cobohall 01.11.2019 08:35 |
Two of the weakest albums. Can't believe the third crap album might receive a boxed set. Gaga - Grew on me; the video helped. Now a pretty iconic Queen song for me. Tear it up - garbage Hard Life - Never liked the over-hyped opening. Isn't that the melody from 'Play the Game'? 5 out of 10. Man on The Prowl - lame Machines - Very good in every way. Keep passing - Joe Jackson's song was better. Break Free - Haven't I heard this a thousand times before? Hammer- Also very good in every way. World we created - Great song. One Vision- Very good song. Magic- OK One year of Love - garbage Pain - It's what comes out of the ass of garbage after garbage has feasted on garbage. Friends - Ugh. Live Forever- Fantastic Gimme The Prize- OK Don't lose your head - OK Princes- Very good |
| dysan 01.11.2019 08:44 |
I think the trouble for me with AKOM is it seems quite fractured - the way it was made with OV coming out so far ahead, then the rest of it split into 'songs' and 'ost'. Plus DLYH being a bastardisation of the (to me) superior ADRRFMD (if you heard it ahead of the album) it doesn't gel - and that's before the rather haphazard track order is considered. The works has that as a strength I guess. Although with hindsight, the single of IWTBF makes the album version seem slight and inconsequential. And I prefer the cover of The Works in their pyjamas after their sunday night bath watching telly with the family all cosy ready for the week ahead at big school. That said, I prefer much of the individual tracks on AKOM more than those on TW. It's a pickle. Although The Miracle is deemed another weak 80s album, to me it is in a totally different set - the gap between AKOM and TM was massive at the time. It felt like the entire work had changed between them. TW and AKOM - not so much. And again personally, the previous 2 were very much 80s, but TM sounded modern and 90s. Of course hindsight has reconfigured that very much :D |
| Vocal harmony 01.11.2019 08:51 |
double post |
| Vocal harmony 01.11.2019 08:51 |
Who Wants To Live Forever and the heavier tracks on Magic are good. A Kind Of Magic was a great single, good song but I could live with out it. The Works to me is over shadowed by the singles, all big songs with a life of their own outside the album. . . . I can't pick one album over the other. |
| cobohall 01.11.2019 10:32 |
Dysan, you make a good point about the fractured nature of AKOM. It was never a nice listen as an album, to me. TW flowed better, but felt somewhat phoned in. Never saw the alternate cover with them wearing pajamas. Did people in England really bathe every Sunday night back in the 80's? |
| Dr Magus 01.11.2019 10:33 |
I like almost all of both albums. |
| dysan 01.11.2019 10:36 |
cobohall wrote: Never saw the alternate cover with them wearing pajamas. Did people in England really bathe every Sunday night back in the 80's?Just my take on the cover art :) And yes, we did in the 80s haha |
| Michael Scapp 01.11.2019 14:54 |
Tear It Up is just embarrassing, however The Works is miles better than AKOM. |
| MisterCosmicc 01.11.2019 15:24 |
I like them both better than Queen’s first two albums. |
| Metropolis 01.11.2019 15:25 |
Personally I prefer The Works I’m Gaga - great Tear it up - Cool hard rock/Metal Song Hard Life - Classic Man on The Prowl - meh Machines - cool Deep cut Keep passing - Great song Break Free - Classic Hammer: Classic Rocker World we created: great ballad One Vision: Good but not great Magic: Too repetitive One year of Love: not my favorite Pain - no Friends - One of my favorites on the album Live Forever: Classic and great Gimme THe Prize: ok Don't lose your head - no Princes: good classic |
| The Fairy King 01.11.2019 15:43 |
The Works as a unit works best for me. It has a distinctive sound and theme. AKOM is a mixed bag and suffers from being a parttime soundtrack album. TW has it's own share of problems in the sense that while it is a return to form for the band, it also is a blatantly commercial record. They gave us the works' indeed: Radio Ga Ga - An original clash of old and modern sound Tear It Up - WWRY ripoff Hard Life - Bo Rhap ripoff MotP - Crazy Little Thing ripoff Machines - Always think of this song when i think of the album, love the (dated) tech references used as metaphors for the human condition. KPTOW - Love the slow part, hate the chorus. Break Free - Original classic HTF - Have to agree with Metropolis: Classic rocker and nice subject matter ITTWWC? - Meh As for AKOM: I actually like most songs on it. I tend to skip OYOL because of Freddie's little run in "I'm a prisoner of loooooooooove insiiiide youuuuuu" *cringe* I just don't get the feeling it's a fully fledged Queen album. Gimme The Prize is definately a highlight. Listened to PotU recently with all ears and must say that while it's nice that Freddie wrote a heavy song, it just doesn't gel well enough to become the classic it should've been. |
| dysan 01.11.2019 15:46 |
edit: 'Machines - Machines by Sailor rip off' (I always say this :D) |
| SweetCarolina 01.11.2019 22:10 |
Radio Ga Ga, Tear It Up, Its a Hard Life, Machines, Keep Passing, Break Free, Hammer are Top One Vision, Magic, Friends, Who Wants To Live Forever, Princes are Top PS Mooghead is an asshole! |
| PrimeJiveUSA 02.11.2019 01:37 |
@runner 70 Why do you think AKOM is "one of their worst hits ever"? |
| runner_70 02.11.2019 05:46 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote: @runner 70 Why do you think AKOM is "one of their worst hits ever"?It is just safe bland and uninspired. The highlander version is better as it has a lil punch i also hate the drumsound on it |
| Seed_Of_Rhy 02.11.2019 07:32 |
As the dude here said the Kind of Magic is more of a one piece, solid state album, even though it have an overall melancholic mood. As for good songs,quantitatively speaking, KoM is the abum i would prefer. The Works only got Radio Gaga, I Want to Break Free & Keep Passing as the really gems, yet i can also add Hard Life as a song of worth. the rest is merely listenable, more or less. |
| runner_70 02.11.2019 07:53 |
Seed_Of_Rhy wrote: As the dude here said the Kind of Magic is more of a one piece, solid state album, even though it have an overall melancholic mood. As for good songs,quantitatively speaking, KoM is the abum i would prefer. The Works only got Radio Gaga, I Want to Break Free & Keep Passing as the really gems, yet i can also add Hard Life as a song of worth. the rest is merely listenable, more or less.Hammer to fall merely listenable??? |
| Seed_Of_Rhy 02.11.2019 10:27 |
runner_70 wrote: Hammer to fall merely listenable???Ok, it's more merely listenable :) In fact , Queen do HTF type of songs almost effortlessly...so it's kinda conveyor-belt song, i assume. As were Man on the Prowl, Tear It Up. Fillers, but takin' into consideration the band's arrangement style/sound are effective fillers. But still are fillers anyway Also for me the lyrics in Hammer... is almost awful)) |
| dysan 02.11.2019 11:04 |
I think I'll defend HTF here. I like it a lot. Almost more glam than actual 'rock'. |
| runner_70 02.11.2019 11:13 |
Best track on the album |
| stevelondon20 02.11.2019 11:37 |
Agreed |
| Seed_Of_Rhy 02.11.2019 14:40 |
dysan wrote: Almost more glam than actual 'rock'.Agreed here! It's has truly glamy feel, although mixed with pompeous queen manner |
| Star* 02.11.2019 18:00 |
"The Works" is a proper crafted Queen album and miles better than "A Kind Of Magic". Freddie explained he put everything into that album to make it the works because there is everything there to make it a magnificent album. While "A Kind of Magic" has a few nice songs on it there is no way that it is a better album than "The Works" |
| people on streets 02.11.2019 18:48 |
The Works. Well done record. All songs were singles (a and b sides). Beautiful album cover. One of their best. Also, The Works tour had a great setlist. The first shows of that tour are amazing. |
| runner_70 02.11.2019 20:10 |
The lightning rig was awesome - pizza oven bar 10 |
| AndyOS 02.11.2019 20:21 |
Difficult to compare, both have a definite 80’s sound, I just think by now Queen had become a ‘singles band’ and because of that didn’t manage to produce consistent albums, basically singles and fillers.. no middle ground. Due to the strength of the singles The Works comes out on top. |
| AndyOS 02.11.2019 20:22 |
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| AndyOS 02.11.2019 20:22 |
Difficult to compare, both have a definite 80’s sound, I just think by now Queen had become a ‘singles band’ and because of that didn’t manage to produce consistent albums, basically singles and fillers.. no middle ground. Due to the strength of the singles The Works comes out on top. |
| k-m 02.11.2019 21:25 |
Seed_Of_Rhy wrote:HTF is way overrated in my view. I quite liked the slow version they did with Paul Rodgers, but the original studio version is just a few minutes of overproduced noise to me. It bothers me they still play it live, it basically became a staple of their live performances, while there are so many better "rockers" out there. Brian clearly seems to think people can't wait to hear it, while in reality, the general public doesn't care about this song (15m views on YouTube which isn't much for Queen).runner_70 wrote: Hammer to fall merely listenable???Ok, it's more merely listenable :) In fact , Queen do HTF type of songs almost effortlessly...so it's kinda conveyor-belt song, i assume. As were Man on the Prowl, Tear It Up. Fillers, but takin' into consideration the band's arrangement style/sound are effective fillers. But still are fillers anyway Also for me the lyrics in Hammer... is almost awful)) |
| Metropolis 02.11.2019 22:21 |
k-m wrote:You can’t say judge a song based on YouTube views. Despacito has more than 6.4 billion views. Does that make it a good song? Hell no. Just the fact that HTF was chosen to be played in their precious 20 minutes at Live Aid makes it a classic. While you might not like the song, it is wrong to say that it is a bad song.Seed_Of_Rhy wrote:HTF is way overrated in my view. I quite liked the slow version they did with Paul Rodgers, but the original studio version is just a few minutes of overproduced noise to me. It bothers me they still play it live, it basically became a staple of their live performances, while there are so many better "rockers" out there. Brian clearly seems to think people can't wait to hear it, while in reality, the general public doesn't care about this song (15m views on YouTube which isn't much for Queen).runner_70 wrote: Hammer to fall merely listenable???Ok, it's more merely listenable :) In fact , Queen do HTF type of songs almost effortlessly...so it's kinda conveyor-belt song, i assume. As were Man on the Prowl, Tear It Up. Fillers, but takin' into consideration the band's arrangement style/sound are effective fillers. But still are fillers anyway Also for me the lyrics in Hammer... is almost awful)) And also, doesn’t the fact that it only has 15m views contradict your opinion that it’s overrated? |
| MisterCosmicc 03.11.2019 00:59 |
What makes a song filler? |
| k-m 03.11.2019 02:45 |
Metropolis wrote:No, it doesn't. It's overrated by many fans and the band itself, but the general public made the right call on it. And of course, I didn't judge it merely on YT views, I only referred to them to back up my opinion with some objective fact.k-m wrote:You can’t say judge a song based on YouTube views. Despacito has more than 6.4 billion views. Does that make it a good song? Hell no. Just the fact that HTF was chosen to be played in their precious 20 minutes at Live Aid makes it a classic. While you might not like the song, it is wrong to say that it is a bad song. And also, doesn’t the fact that it only has 15m views contradict your opinion that it’s overrated?Seed_Of_Rhy wrote:HTF is way overrated in my view. I quite liked the slow version they did with Paul Rodgers, but the original studio version is just a few minutes of overproduced noise to me. It bothers me they still play it live, it basically became a staple of their live performances, while there are so many better "rockers" out there. Brian clearly seems to think people can't wait to hear it, while in reality, the general public doesn't care about this song (15m views on YouTube which isn't much for Queen).runner_70 wrote: Hammer to fall merely listenable???Ok, it's more merely listenable :) In fact , Queen do HTF type of songs almost effortlessly...so it's kinda conveyor-belt song, i assume. As were Man on the Prowl, Tear It Up. Fillers, but takin' into consideration the band's arrangement style/sound are effective fillers. But still are fillers anyway Also for me the lyrics in Hammer... is almost awful)) |
| AlbaNo1 03.11.2019 16:10 |
A lot of Queen’s “rockers” work best in the live show environment not as isolated tracks. Tie Your Mother Down doesn’t have a lot of YouTube hits either but doesn’t mean it’s not an important track in the catalogue. |
| Sebastian 05.11.2019 00:09 |
Not a fan of either, but I'd say 'Who Wants to Live Forever' is better than everything on 'The Works' combined. |
| pittrek 05.11.2019 09:06 |
The Works. AKOM has 2 good songs on it (AKOM & WWTLF) |
| dysan 05.11.2019 09:14 |
I just don't get on the WWTLF. Never have. The QAL live versions are great (it really suits his voice) but on record it's just a big void at the start of side 2. Perhaps might be less forgiving if it was further down the tracklist. I'm sure this came up a couple of months ago. |
| dysan 05.11.2019 09:15 |
Similar: link Notable for several removed posts :( |
| MyHumanZoo 05.11.2019 16:29 |
So neither album is my favorite of Queen, but the Works tips the scale over AKOM. |
| PrimeJiveUSA 05.11.2019 16:41 |
@Sebastian While I agree that WWTLF is a great track, I still don't think it's any better than Radio GA GA. In fact, I think RGG is the better song all around. |
| ggo1 06.11.2019 21:10 |
I like both albums, The Works is stronger overall, but does contain Man On the Prowl, which I consider to be the worst thing they ever committed to tape, even worse than Delilah. I see the track AKOM getting some serious hate in this thread which surprises me. An excellent pop song, Admittedly the live version is way better. Unbelievable how much heavier it was played live. Loved it. AKOM album is bitty, but still enjoyable, it just doesn't flow as a cohesive whole. In the book that accompanies the coloured vinyl reissues of the complete collection, the section about AKOM has a picture that shows One Vision and Princes were originally swapped over. I think that works better. |
| matt z 07.11.2019 01:33 |
Interesting sequencing info.... i can't think of it any other way. However thinking of POTU i know it's as strong a musical take as committed to any album they'd done. It ranks up there with DOTL, and prophets song. .. It trumps most of their other dark songs, But i truly dislike the middle bit. It's way too awkward. "People talk about me i hear it every day, But i can prove them wrong cause I'm right FIRST TIME! " It's cringey and embarrassing run on stuff. I prefer the leaked version which was merely helicopter. THE whole "fighting and Freee-eee! Got your world in my hands! *I'M HERE FOR YOUR LOVE* (whaaaaat?!) And I'll make my stand!" None of that shit makes any sense. Even if there were a karaoke track for it,...I'd likely feel ludicrous singing any of that stuff in the middle |
| Invisible Woman 07.11.2019 08:49 |
I like both, but prefer A Kind Of Magic. Who Wants To Live Forever and A Kind Of Magic are songs which I always put on lists of my favourite Queen songs. Friends Will Be Friends and One vision I also like. But Innuendo and The Miracle still are my favourite albums. |