Day dop 10.10.2019 13:43 |
Mine arrived a day early. Listening to it now... My initial impression (so far).... Foolin' Around and Your Kind of Lover (in particular) really stand out as improved over the originals. These tracks - and others - have benefited from the updated drum sounds. Aside from that, the whole production sounds clearer and it breathes better, with more space between the instruments (I am running the original on my turntable and the new version on CD in order to compare, and switching between them both). I'll write more later.... |
Day dop 10.10.2019 13:48 |
I'm currently on My Love Is Dangerous. It sounds like Freddie is singing it in the same room now, as opposed to singing it in the next room with lots of echo. Again, an improvement. |
Day dop 10.10.2019 13:52 |
Hearing the new version makes you realise how woolly the bass sounds on the original. |
jondickens1 10.10.2019 14:59 |
The whole album sounds so much fresher! The drums are crisp, as is the bass. Currently on Mr Bad Guy itself. The instrumentation is so much more prominent. Man made paradise is also a major improvement. Freddie's vocals are so clear on the whole album, if, I'm afraid to say, a little too processed in places. My only disappointment is I was born to love you. I used to love the harmonies, but they're more buried in the new mix. |
Day dop 10.10.2019 15:39 |
I prefer the new version of I Was Born To Love You. It's better now you can hear the cymbals IMO. |
Day dop 10.10.2019 15:41 |
This'll certainly be the version of Mr Bad Guy that I'll be playing in future. |
dysan 10.10.2019 15:52 |
It's all down to taste really innit. I'm glad you are enjoying it *thumbs up gif* |
Negative Creep 10.10.2019 16:38 |
Maybe comparing between the 2 versions back to back, the remix sounds nicer than the original but how many people are that familiar with the album to listen to the new mix fresh and genuinely think it suddenly sounds amazing? Really? It still sounds dated, and sounds kinda thin. |
MrFunster 10.10.2019 17:23 |
Really great to hear all this positive feedback. |
dysan 10.10.2019 17:29 |
Negative Creep wrote: Maybe comparing between the 2 versions back to back, the remix sounds nicer than the original but how many people are that familiar with the album to listen to the new mix fresh and genuinely think it suddenly sounds amazing? Really? It still sounds dated, and sounds kinda thin.I agreed - and this is why I don't really feel qualified to compare. The only track I REALLY know well from this batch had some weird mixing decisions - some made it sound better and more open (generally a freshen up), but then some (reducing the BVs) left me a little deflated. |
cmi 10.10.2019 17:37 |
I think the lowest point of the original mix is the thin sound and low volume of acoustic drums. It seriously affects on the overal perception of songs. This problem was greatly solved in the new revision. |
aristide1 10.10.2019 17:48 |
It seems there is less reverb, which is great because Mack really exaggerated with reverb, not only on Mr Bad Guy but on all his Queen albums. Here is the original then the remix. |
aristide1 10.10.2019 17:52 |
The same collage. |
Day dop 10.10.2019 18:37 |
Negative Creep wrote: Maybe comparing between the 2 versions back to back, the remix sounds nicer than the original but how many people are that familiar with the album to listen to the new mix fresh and genuinely think it suddenly sounds amazing? Really? It still sounds dated, and sounds kinda thin.Even with the updates, surely you didn't expect an album from 1985 to sound like an album from 2019, did you? The updated version of Bowie's Never Let Me Down album sounded less dated than the original, but despite new instrumentation and production, it still didn't sound like an album from 2018, nor would I expect an album written 30 odd years ago to sound like something recently written and released. The style is still of the time, regardless. This new version of Mr Bad Guy doesn't sound like an album from 2019, but it's a nicer sounding version than the original, and for me, that's all that matters. What are you listening to it on? It doesn't sound thin on my set up. |
runner_70 10.10.2019 19:06 |
aristide1 wrote: It seems there is less reverb, which is great because Mack really exaggerated with reverb, not only on Mr Bad Guy but on all his Queen albums. Here is the original then the remix.The original sounds way way better sorry to say. I like the reverb on the drums on the original. The remix sounds just flat. Maybe I love the 80'S productions too much... |
Day dop 10.10.2019 19:11 |
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runner_70 10.10.2019 19:40 |
I hate the drums on MMP- love the 80's reverb drums. They sound very flat. And the whole thing sounds just flat. What do you guys hear. Liked LMLTNT but MMP is awful |
Day dop 10.10.2019 19:48 |
runner_70 wrote: I hate the drums on MMP- love the 80's reverb drums. They sound very flat. And the whole thing sounds just flat. What do you guys hear. Liked LMLTNT but MMP is awfulIt's the opposite of flat compared to the original: It's much more punchy, clearer, the instruments have air and space between them, the drums aren't buried in the mix like with the original, which, as I said, sounds muddy, woolly, and flat in comparison. |
Day dop 10.10.2019 19:58 |
runner_70 wrote: I hate the drums on MMP- love the 80's reverb drums. They sound very flat. And the whole thing sounds just flat. What do you guys hear. Liked LMLTNT but MMP is awfulHave you listened to the entire CD or that song on CD, or just the short MP3 clip? |
paulosham 10.10.2019 20:15 |
Overall I like it although I do think that Fred's voice gets lost in a the mix in a couple of places (Made In Heaven and Mr Bad Guy) I much prefer the original outro for Mr Bad Guy, that was always my favourite part of the album. Maybe I'm imagining it but did we lose some vocals at the end of Foolin' Around? |
runner_70 10.10.2019 20:25 |
Day dop wrote:YOu do know that the frist one is from 1985 and the second part is from 2019 ;)runner_70 wrote: I hate the drums on MMP- love the 80's reverb drums. They sound very flat. And the whole thing sounds just flat. What do you guys hear. Liked LMLTNT but MMP is awfulIt's the opposite of flat compared to the original: It's much more punchy, clearer, the instruments have air and space between them, the drums aren't buried in the mix like with the original, which, as I said, sounds muddy, woolly, and flat in comparison. |
runner_70 10.10.2019 20:25 |
Day dop wrote:Just the clipsrunner_70 wrote: I hate the drums on MMP- love the 80's reverb drums. They sound very flat. And the whole thing sounds just flat. What do you guys hear. Liked LMLTNT but MMP is awfulHave you listened to the entire CD or that song on CD, or just the short MP3 clip? |
cmi 10.10.2019 20:35 |
^ Have you ever listened to Queen CDs...or just short mp3 clips? |
Day dop 10.10.2019 20:39 |
runner_70 wrote:Of course. I'm also aware how the original sounds much flatter than the 2019 mix. But then I didn't judge how flat it sounds from a short MP3 clip on a computer or handheld device. I made my judgement listening to it on a decent stereo set up. The better the set up, the more the pros and cons of whatever you're listening to are revealed.. Return wink? ;-)Day dop wrote:YOu do know that the frist one is from 1985 and the second part is from 2019 ;)runner_70 wrote: I hate the drums on MMP- love the 80's reverb drums. They sound very flat. And the whole thing sounds just flat. What do you guys hear. Liked LMLTNT but MMP is awfulIt's the opposite of flat compared to the original: It's much more punchy, clearer, the instruments have air and space between them, the drums aren't buried in the mix like with the original, which, as I said, sounds muddy, woolly, and flat in comparison. |
Day dop 10.10.2019 20:54 |
cmi wrote: I think the lowest point of the original mix is the thin sound and low volume of acoustic drums. It seriously affects on the overal perception of songs. This problem was greatly solved in the new revision.The drums are very quiet in comparison on the original. That, along with the OTT reverb leaves the whole thing sounding muddy compared. |
runner_70 10.10.2019 20:55 |
I already find the new MMP flat sounding oon the pc speakers (Streamed over a Hifi Surround system). I like 80's drums with reverb. THe new version seems to suck out the life completely out of it |
runner_70 10.10.2019 20:56 |
cmi wrote: ^ Have you ever listened to Queen CDs...or just short mp3 clips?I have more Queen cds/Vine etc like GH 1-3 unlike you |
Day dop 10.10.2019 20:57 |
runner_70 wrote: I already find the new MMP flat sounding oon the pc speakers (Streamed over a Hifi Surround system). I like 80's drums with reverb. THe new version seems to suck out the life completely out of itAnd on my Bowers and Wilkins CM10 speakers, with a Linn akurate DSM-amp and Linn Klout power amp, and Naim CD5 XS CD Player, the CD didn't sound flat whatsoever. I don't think a short MP3 clip through PC speakers is going to give you a good idea in comparison. You might prefer OTT reverb on drums, but that doesn't equate to the new mix sounding "flat". It's punchy and lively. And certainly not flat compared. |
stevelondon20 10.10.2019 21:23 |
Looking forward to listening to this on the morning. |
stevelondon20 10.10.2019 21:24 |
In the morning even! |
MercurialFreddie 10.10.2019 22:31 |
What about The Great Pretender and Love Kills ? |
cmi 10.10.2019 22:43 |
Both are excellent! But nothing special because they were mixed excellent originally. Love Kills features no snare drum arrangement in the middle of the song. |
scollins 11.10.2019 00:15 |
They have a cheek to call it never boring? But that's exactly what it is, fucking same shite over and over again, why dont they do whole new remixes of the songs? Wtf do they do all day st WP? I'm surprised live in montreal or Wembley ot ANATO isn't been re-released again. Never boring MY ARSE |
Apocalipsis_Darko 11.10.2019 02:55 |
I remember they put Neil played the bass on Love me like theres no tomorrow new mix and later they deleted from youtube...I can imagine because of Stephen Wissnet or Mack. What are the credits about? I can imagine Neil played all the new basses but they put only the original credits because of the previous incident with Love me like theres no tomorrow... |
matt z 11.10.2019 03:41 |
Wow. If those samples are any indication, man made paradise got stripped back very heavily. I like the modern take on drums n all but it sounds reworked to a 3 piece. Bass is audible but the piano leaves to be nothing but a background character. I couldn't say for sure without hearing the entire damn album. Thanks for sharing |
Makka 11.10.2019 05:35 |
I have the original release of the CD here but no point comparing that to a Spotify stream. But on saying that even on Spotify they do sound fresher. |
inu-liger 11.10.2019 05:45 |
runner_70 wrote: I already find the new MMP flat sounding oon the pc speakers (Streamed over a Hifi Surround system). I like 80's drums with reverb. THe new version seems to suck out the life completely out of itWhat brand of speakers are you using? |
inu-liger 11.10.2019 05:47 |
Makka wrote: I have the original release of the CD here but no point comparing that to a Spotify stream. But on saying that even on Spotify they do sound fresher.Spotify streams are so full of background artifacts, it's not even funny. |
inu-liger 11.10.2019 05:49 |
cmi wrote: Both are excellent! But nothing special because they were mixed excellent originally. Love Kills features no snare drum arrangement in the middle of the song.That arrangement caught me off guard on the first listen. I kind of like it though. |
The Fairy King 11.10.2019 05:56 |
Damn the album sounds different....not bad just....different. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 06:30 |
Just listening to I Was Born To Love You again... During the instrumental part at 2:12 to 3:00, the synths have slight reverb on them now. Then at 2:40 the bass ever so slightly gets a little heavier and more rhythmic (for want of a better term). It makes it more of a foot tapper than before. Subtle differences, but effective. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 06:35 |
The "yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah" at the end of My Love is Dangerous (3:32) is far more audible now. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 06:36 |
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Agr123456 11.10.2019 07:54 |
Well...A crappy 80's album will be a crappy 80's album...BUT, now with better sound. Last time i heard the original album was years ago. Yesterday i was listening to the new version. Next time? Who knows...But it will be in some years for sure. |
Sam99 11.10.2019 10:00 |
Just listened to Never Boring at volume in the car, there’s very clear updates, still a 1980’s album and we need to be cognisant of that. Freddie’s voice on these songs is an absolute joy, maybe you had to be there at the time. Love Kills sounds amazing here, John’s rhythm guitar clearly audible. Music is always subjective, this is of it’s time and these days it’s all about products, but this never sounded better. |
Daburcor? 11.10.2019 10:21 |
runner_70 wrote:THe new version seems to suck out the life completely out of itThis is how I feel about the vast majority of the new mixes. I gave the special edition a couple of listens this morning, and I greatly prefer the original. I like Mack's production. I like the poppy, '80s energy. I like the drum sound. I like the reverb (especially on My Love Is Dangerous and Love Me Like There's No Tomorrow, which are both dry as a bone now), Maybe this new version will grow on me in time, but I just don't see it right now. I'm not a fan. |
dysan 11.10.2019 10:27 |
Agreed. Whatever way remixes are technically better for the waveform beardstrokers - they also generally ruin the X factor the original had. The original Mr Bad Guy isn't generally regarded unfavourably because the yeah yeah bit at the end of Love Is Dangerous wasn't quite given it's own clear space in the stereo spectrum. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 10:47 |
dysan wrote: Agreed. Whatever way remixes are technically better for the waveform beardstrokers - they also generally ruin the X factor the original had. The original Mr Bad Guy isn't generally regarded unfavourably because the yeah yeah bit at the end of Love Is Dangerous wasn't quite given it's own clear space in the stereo spectrum.Waveform studies aren't required, My ears do the job just fine. No one said that Mr Bad Guy was regarded unfavourably because of the "yeah yeah" bit at the end of Love is Dangerous. The only one debating that is you in your own mind. |
dysan 11.10.2019 10:55 |
I was making a general observation and quoted you as an example. I'm sorry if you thought it was an attack. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 11:03 |
dysan wrote: I was making a general observation and quoted you as an example. I'm sorry if you thought it was an attack.You didn't quote me. The observation you made was invalid, as no one said what you perceived they said. Your apology isn't necessary, I didn't take it as a personal attack. |
dysan 11.10.2019 11:32 |
I don't want to get grubby on here, but you said 'The "yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah" at the end of My Love is Dangerous (3:32) is far more audible now.' which I quoted. What did I perceive was said? What observation did I make? Why are you now attacking me? |
Day dop 11.10.2019 11:36 |
dysan wrote: I don't want to get grubby on here, but you said 'The "yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah" at the end of My Love is Dangerous (3:32) is far more audible now.' which I quoted. What did I perceive was said? What observation did I make? Why are you now attacking me?There's no quotation marks, hence I said you didn't quote me. Previously you wrote, "The original Mr Bad Guy isn't generally regarded unfavourably because the yeah yeah bit at the end of Love Is Dangerous wasn't quite given it's own clear space in the stereo spectrum." As I said, no one had said otherwise, though you'd perceived they had (you in fact since said you quoted me, not that you had). Only you invented that argument that I quoted above. Why it was originally regarded unfavourably hadn't even been mentioned until you bought it up. You asked, "what observation did I make"?. You previously wrote, "I was making a general observation and quoted you as an example" I've since pointed out your observation was based on your perception and not what I said, and it was an invalid observation. You're not being attacked. Your argument is. |
dysan 11.10.2019 11:48 |
It's a review of a remixed album where each observation posted on the new mix is either a pro or a con, or an equal compared to the old mix. I picked a previous observation you had posted and used it to illustrate why a remix is not really necessary or of artist worth (whether I believe that or not) - neither to argue against the findings of the listening session or to back them up. It's fun to find logical links in reasoning and observation - whether they are truths or not I leave to the reader and those with far better knowledge of the mixing on Mr Bad Guy than myself. |
dysan 11.10.2019 11:49 |
I'm actually popping out in a bit so can this wait until tomorrow? |
aristide1 11.10.2019 11:52 |
Day dop, we understand that a delivery man paid you a visit. We also understand that you are enthusiast and started a thread on that. But don't push it, we are not children, and the content of this thread is not your property or your responsibility. In fact it should not concern you at all. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 11:58 |
dysan wrote: It's a review of a remixed album where each observation posted on the new mix is either a pro or a con, or an equal compared to the old mix. I picked a previous observation you had posted and used it to illustrate why a remix is not really necessary or of artist worth (whether I believe that or not) - neither to argue against the findings of the listening session or to back them up. It's fun to find logical links in reasoning and observation - whether they are truths or not I leave to the reader and those with far better knowledge of the mixing on Mr Bad Guy than myself.Your words: "The original Mr Bad Guy isn't generally regarded unfavourably because the yeah yeah bit at the end of Love Is Dangerous wasn't quite given it's own clear space in the stereo spectrum." No one said that the original Mr bad Guy was regarded unfavourably because the yeah yeah bit at the end of Love Is Dangerous wasn't quite given it's own clear space in the stereo spectrum. So again, it was an invalid observation. Whether the remix was necessarily or not is irreverent to me. It's here, and I prefer the new version. That's it. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 12:01 |
aristide1 wrote: Day dop, we understand that a delivery man paid you a visit. We also understand that you are enthusiast and started a thread on that. But don't push it, we are not children, and the content of this thread is not your property or your responsibility. In fact it should not concern you at all.2 out of 10 for your attempt at trolling. |
MercurialFreddie 11.10.2019 12:21 |
What do you guys think about how all of the instruments on the title track have been mixed? There is more depth and I feel like they tried to emphasize the polyphony and let those instruments breathe more. I like it, although the outro sounds different. Way different. The same goes for the outro of Man Made Paradise. Polyphony is much clearer now and how lead vocals mix with bv's is much more organic... if you know what I mean. |
aristide1 11.10.2019 12:36 |
Day dop wrote:Dude, man, brother... you've started a thread full of promises and now you're arguing with dysan, while I am a troll.aristide1 wrote: Day dop, we understand that a delivery man paid you a visit. We also understand that you are enthusiast and started a thread on that. But don't push it, we are not children, and the content of this thread is not your property or your responsibility. In fact it should not concern you at all.2 out of 10 for your attempt at trolling. It's an unexpected development, and I have the feeling that we are allowed to post on "your" thread as long as we agree with you. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 12:38 |
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Day dop 11.10.2019 12:42 |
aristide1 wrote: Day dop, we understand that a delivery man paid you a visit. We also understand that you are enthusiast and started a thread on that."We?" Are you a politician? A suggestion: Refer to yourself as "I" instead of presuming you speak on behalf of everyone... because you don't speak on behalf of everyone else. aristide1 wrote: But don't push it, we are not children, and the content of this thread is not your property or your responsibility. In fact it should not concern you at all.Don't push what? Oh, you mean don't point out when someone makes a straw man argument? "We are not children", you say? No one else here has suggested they are a child, nor have I suggested anyone is, so what's the "we" all about? The only one arguing that they're not a child is you. Weird that you've brought that up for debate. At no point did I think, say, nor imply that the content of this thread is my property nor responsibility, so why you've brought that up I don't know. All I'm responsible for here is what I write, and all you're responsible for here is what you write. What "should" and "should" not concern me is my concern only. Not yours. aristide1 wrote: Dude, man, brother... you've started a thread full of promises and now you're arguing with dysan, while I am a troll. It's an unexpected development, and I have the feeling that we are allowed to post on "your" thread as long as we agree with you.Ah yes, the "we" crap again. As well as the mention that I have argued with someone else, as though they're not responsible for their part in that whatsoever. A cheap tactic you're using there. Being as I've had all this straw man horseshit thrown my way, I'll make it clear... I have no issue with anyone posting on this thread. It's a public forum, so to suggest otherwise is ridiculous."Allowed" doesn't come into it. And unlike some, who resort to cheap tactics, I also have no issue with on topic disagreement. I do take issue with straw man arguments, blatant trolling, and cheap tactics though... y'know? And regarding your "feeling", perhaps you might want to take note of some wise words by Carl Sagan... I quote, "But I try not to think with my gut. If I'm serious about understanding the world, thinking with anything besides my brain, as tempting as that might be, is likely to get me into trouble.” Of course, I can always leave here, It makes no real odds to me. But I'd be far from the first person who's left this forum due the trolling and shitty behaviour (which this forum is known for at this point), and I'll certainly not be the last. Eventually, the few remaining decent posters will leave. I would've enjoyed discussing the album, but it seems some are so damn miserable with their lives, they want to project that onto everyone else. What I am seeing here is just typical of Queenzone really. How about staying on topic instead? Wanna try that? |
Makka 11.10.2019 13:19 |
This was a great thread, but like typical QueenZone *bang, it's gone! Let's just get back into the discussions of the topic. |
Star* 11.10.2019 13:32 |
Well just got my copy of Mr Bad Guy today from the Queen fan club, and to be honest i am disappointed with "Man Made Paradise" as the drums are distant and flat and if they were brought to the front they would need a lot more trebile and clarity, Best noticeable track has to be "Foolin Around" i love the drums and percussion have been pushed to the front and you get a sort of Roger Taylor style drumming technique which is fab. "My Love is Dangerous" has lost the annoying echo and brought Freddie's vocal to the front so that s a great improvement. The rest of the album is just like the original to me. Sad though because we know there is a Queen version of "Man Made Paradise" which was a reject from "The Works" album and i would love to hear that one day! |
dudeofqueen 11.10.2019 13:40 |
K770i, re: >and you get a sort of Roger Taylor style drumming technique which is fab. What didn't Brian and Roger just go in to the studio and re-record the whole thing? Oh, yeah, no "Written by Brian May"....... |
runner_70 11.10.2019 14:01 |
This daydop guy is almost as annoying as the Glamberts in the QAL threads if you criticized the tool. I only heard lmltnt and the MMP snippet. While i liked the first one i hate MMP. It was the best song on the album. The drums Sound flat as fuck. The original Sounds way more pompous than this Stripped back version which does not fit at all. Waiting for my copy but guess will have to wait a while as QP are never able to deliver on release date outside the UK. Send it a few days earlier you sad tossers |
Day dop 11.10.2019 14:13 |
runner_70 wrote: This daydop guy is almost as annoying as the Glamberts in the QAL threads if you criticized the tool. I only heard lmltnt and the MMP snippet. While i liked the first one i hate MMP. It was the best song on the album. The drums Sound flat as fuck. The original Sounds way more pompous than this Stripped back version which does not fit at all. Waiting for my copy but guess will have to wait a while as QP are never able to deliver on release date outside the UK. Send it a few days earlier you sad tossersYour annoyance is your problem. Ask yourself why you're annoyed. The answer that doesn't lay blame on someone else will be the first step towards you dealing with your problem. If you resort to personally attacking someone, instead of attacking the argument, it shows you're most likely all out of arguments. Plus, it makes for dull reading. You're repeating the same argument about it sounding "flat", but in reality, the drums sound forward and punchy compared to the original. I understand that you like the 80s reverb sound on drums, but that doesn't mean that the new drums sound "flat". |
ianlasseter 11.10.2019 14:16 |
Well said Makka .I cannot believe that once something is released,we have people moaning and groaning.For what it's worth,I have listened to it several times,and,in my opinion,it is a great improvement |
Apocalipsis_Darko 11.10.2019 15:24 |
I received the compilation to do a review and yes...Neil the bass player from "Queen" + Lambert replaced at least in two songs the original bass. In love me like there's no tomorrow and made in heaven... |
snelly1 11.10.2019 17:41 |
Neil Fairclough has replaced the bass on 6 tracks- 2,4,5,7,10,11 |
SweetCarolina 11.10.2019 17:49 |
Dont like the sound. Barcelona album why not the 1988 version? Pffff And the new Greatest Hits of FM is a overkill.. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 17:56 |
snelly1 wrote: Neil Fairclough has replaced the bass on 6 tracks- 2,4,5,7,10,11I think I recall seeing that in the booklet. |
TRS-Romania 11.10.2019 18:14 |
Great Pretender Some interesting instruments popping up in the mix ... LIKE! |
k-m 11.10.2019 18:34 |
I must say that just listening to it (Mr Bad Guy SE) on Spotify, even without reading your comments, I feel like buying the bloody thing. Didn't think I'd ever say that as Mr Bad Guy was the one I kind of gave up on looking for (mainly due to its unavailability, but also because I put it on par with Roger's and Brian's albums). But yeah, this sounds good! And let's face it, "Let's Turn It On" sounds fresh, even now, I think only one reviewer (from "Q", correct me if I'm wrong) ever noticed it. It's pretty odd, but many of these songs have got some newly enhanced freshness to them. |
Michael Scapp 11.10.2019 18:40 |
My orders (from Amazon) now say that they are being released on Oct 25th. TWO MORE WEEKS! Man! |
Star* 11.10.2019 19:02 |
Sorry guys the only improvement on this album was "Foolin Around" and the rest do not sound any different. Man Made Paradise does sound muffled and flat, and you barely hear any drums. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 11.10.2019 19:15 |
Well, also another insult...in Never Boring cd the songs from Barcelona, are from the orchestration version, not the original album... |
Day dop 11.10.2019 19:17 |
K770i wrote: Sorry guys the only improvement on this album was "Foolin Around" and the rest do not sound any different. Man Made Paradise does sound muffled and flat, and you barely hear any drums.I'm curious, do you have hearing problems, or wear a heading aid? I ask this as I know some Queen fans aren't in their younger years (not that you need to be of a certain age to suffer hearing loss.but the older you get, the more hearing goes...). It's just, I can't think why you'd not be hearing the album clearly, unless somehow you listened to a poor quality MP3 of the album, but I don't see why you would've done that. |
princetom 11.10.2019 19:26 |
just had a listen to "man made paradise" shared earlier in this thread. well, well, well. i have to say that i actually prefer the original version. not for reasons of musical perfectness. but: * the original version had that kind of feeling a mr.mercury would have liked to share. there's an tensiounous lead vocal. encompanished with some throat yelling but most beautiful background voice. they oppose until they finally meet. what's annoying, but still gets used to be accepted is the drum sound. most probably it's that prominent for reaching a special audience. it's an upbeat number, isn't it ? isnt't it some kind of track being worth to be played in a disco in munich some 30+ years ago ?i tend to see it that way. and that's what the mix is all about. a great performance with no excuses to the "undermixed" instruments. * the remixed version stands more for a man on the piano, a relaxed kind of mood of an over-tempurated performer who is hiding his talent behind that well mixed instruments. or: to get it right: the production seems wanting to treat every note of the composition quite right. seems to equalize any acoustic term of that very performer. dominate the art in it. the previously dominant snare has to share its place within the instrumental mix. but: the vocals should have been more prominent. . i hope that makes any sense. . p.s.: that very curt cress plays like a machine. an art of it's own ! |
runner_70 11.10.2019 19:33 |
Day dop wrote:You are an annoying twat. First you wine about being attcked as some do not share your opinion and next thing you do is a lame" get a hearing aid". So your opinion is the be-all-end-all?K770i wrote: Sorry guys the only improvement on this album was "Foolin Around" and the rest do not sound any different. Man Made Paradise does sound muffled and flat, and you barely hear any drums.When did you last get your hearing tested? Or do you wear a heading aid? |
runner_70 11.10.2019 19:34 |
princetom wrote: just had a listen to "man made paradise" shared earlier in this thread. well, well, well. i have to say that i actually prefer the original version. not for reasons of musical perfectness. but: * the original version had that kind of feeling a mr.mercury would have liked to share. there's an tensiounous lead vocal. encompanished with some throat yelling but most beautiful background voice. they oppose until they finally meet. what's annoying, but still gets used to be accepted is the drum sound. most probably it's that prominent for reaching a special audience. it's an upbeat number, isn't it ? isnt't it some kind of track being worth to be played in a disco in munich some 30+ years ago ?i tend to see it that way. and that's what the mix is all about. a great performance with no excuses to the "undermixed" instruments. * the remixed version stands more for a man on the piano, a relaxed kind of mood of an over-tempurated performer who is hiding his talent behind that well mixed instruments. or: to get it right: the production seems wanting to treat every note of the composition quite right. seems to equalize any acoustic term of that very performer. dominate the art in it. the previously dominant snare has to share its place within the instrumental mix. but: the vocals should have been more prominent. . i hope that makes any sense. . p.s.: that very curt cress plays like a machine. an art of it's own !You are spot on! |
MackMantilla 11.10.2019 19:38 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: What do you guys think about how all of the instruments on the title track have been mixed? There is more depth and I feel like they tried to emphasize the polyphony and let those instruments breathe more. I like it, although the outro sounds different. Way different. The same goes for the outro of Man Made Paradise. Polyphony is much clearer now and how lead vocals mix with bv's is much more organic... if you know what I mean.I really like this new mix, so now I'll order this boxset. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 19:41 |
princetom wrote: just had a listen to "man made paradise" shared earlier in this thread. well, well, well. i have to say that i actually prefer the original version. not for reasons of musical perfectness. but: * the original version had that kind of feeling a mr.mercury would have liked to share. there's an tensiounous lead vocal. encompanished with some throat yelling but most beautiful background voice. they oppose until they finally meet. what's annoying, but still gets used to be accepted is the drum sound. most probably it's that prominent for reaching a special audience. it's an upbeat number, isn't it ? isnt't it some kind of track being worth to be played in a disco in munich some 30+ years ago ?i tend to see it that way. and that's what the mix is all about. a great performance with no excuses to the "undermixed" instruments. * the remixed version stands more for a man on the piano, a relaxed kind of mood of an over-tempurated performer who is hiding his talent behind that well mixed instruments. or: to get it right: the production seems wanting to treat every note of the composition quite right. seems to equalize any acoustic term of that very performer. dominate the art in it. the previously dominant snare has to share its place within the instrumental mix. but: the vocals should have been more prominent. . i hope that makes any sense. . p.s.: that very curt cress plays like a machine. an art of it's own !The issue is, you're listening to a shitty MP3 clip. It's not the best way to make a judgement. |
princetom 11.10.2019 19:41 |
on the other hand... (and i'm writing that to enhance my previous comment, ignoring any intercourse) on the other hand... they call it "never boring", don't they ? and that snippet alone makes me curious. maybe i'll give it a buy. for taking some wonderful compsitions to a modern age. for pointing out something (like that very bored but most rhytmic, and therefore adorable piano-playing) which one had not a spot on. |
princetom 11.10.2019 19:43 |
@Day dop. yes i am. but it makes me curious enough to listen to it on a CD on my HiFi. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 19:43 |
runner_70 wrote:Firstly, what I asked was a genuine question. not an attack. I was aware that it might come across the wrong way, so I edited it by time you'd replied that. See above, I just added it there.Day dop wrote:You are an annoying twat. First you wine about being attcked as some do not share your opinion and next thing you do is a lame" get a hearing aid". So your opinion is the be-all-end-all?K770i wrote: Sorry guys the only improvement on this album was "Foolin Around" and the rest do not sound any different. Man Made Paradise does sound muffled and flat, and you barely hear any drums.I'm curious, do you have hearing problems, or wear a heading aid? I ask this as I know some Queen fans aren't in their younger years (not that you need to be of a certain age to suffer hearing loss.but the older you get, the more hearing goes...). It's just, I can't think why you'd not be hearing the album clearly, unless somehow you listened to a poor quality MP3 of the album, but I don't see why you would've done that. it might help if you didn't jump to false conclusions in future. I'll repeat what I previously said, your annoyance is your problem. Ask yourself why you're annoyed. The answer that doesn't lay blame on someone else will be the first step towards you dealing with your problem. Surely if you take a step back, you'd be able to see it's rich of you to call anyone a twat, considering you're someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time harassing Lambert fans online... day in, day out, months on end. Are you not aware that - all in all - your behaviour screams to everyone else is that you have an unhappy life? I suggest you read up on studies of internet trolls. It'll make for uncomfortable reading for you, but it'll enlighten you. |
runner_70 11.10.2019 20:11 |
Day dop wrote:You're working in your twat title and you win ;) Analyzing people you don't know while being offtopic. Twat of the highest order.runner_70 wrote:Firstly, what I asked was a genuine question. not an attack. I was aware that it might come across the wrong way, so I edited it by time you'd replied that. See above, I just added it there. it might help if you didn't jump to false conclusions in future. I'll repeat what I previously said, your annoyance is your problem. Ask yourself why you're annoyed. The answer that doesn't lay blame on someone else will be the first step towards you dealing with your problem. Surely if you take a step back, you'd be able to see it's rich of you to call anyone a twat, considering you're someone who spends a a disproportionate amount of your life harassing Lambert fans online... day in, day out, months on end. Are you not aware that all that screams to everyone else is that you have an unhappy life? I suggest you read up on studies of internet trolls. It'll make for uncomfortable reading for you, but it'll enlighten you.Day dop wrote:You are an annoying twat. First you wine about being attcked as some do not share your opinion and next thing you do is a lame" get a hearing aid". So your opinion is the be-all-end-all?K770i wrote: Sorry guys the only improvement on this album was "Foolin Around" and the rest do not sound any different. Man Made Paradise does sound muffled and flat, and you barely hear any drums.I'm curious, do you have hearing problems, or wear a heading aid? I ask this as I know some Queen fans aren't in their younger years (not that you need to be of a certain age to suffer hearing loss.but the older you get, the more hearing goes...). It's just, I can't think why you'd not be hearing the album clearly, unless somehow you listened to a poor quality MP3 of the album, but I don't see why you would've done that. |
Day dop 11.10.2019 20:13 |
runner_70 wrote:I've found from my observations over recent years, whenever a thread is derailed and fucked up, it almost always tends to be down to you. It doesn't go unnoticed even by someone such as myself who only logs on every now and then. I'm fully aware - just like many others from the comments I've seen - that you're a big part of the reason this forum has gone downhill.Day dop wrote:You're working in your twat title and you win ;) Analyzing people you don't know while being offtopic. Twat of the highest order.runner_70 wrote:Firstly, what I asked was a genuine question. not an attack. I was aware that it might come across the wrong way, so I edited it by time you'd replied that. See above, I just added it there. it might help if you didn't jump to false conclusions in future. I'll repeat what I previously said, your annoyance is your problem. Ask yourself why you're annoyed. The answer that doesn't lay blame on someone else will be the first step towards you dealing with your problem. Surely if you take a step back, you'd be able to see it's rich of you to call anyone a twat, considering you're someone who spends a a disproportionate amount of your life harassing Lambert fans online... day in, day out, months on end. Are you not aware that all that screams to everyone else is that you have an unhappy life? I suggest you read up on studies of internet trolls. It'll make for uncomfortable reading for you, but it'll enlighten you.Day dop wrote:You are an annoying twat. First you wine about being attcked as some do not share your opinion and next thing you do is a lame" get a hearing aid". So your opinion is the be-all-end-all?K770i wrote: Sorry guys the only improvement on this album was "Foolin Around" and the rest do not sound any different. Man Made Paradise does sound muffled and flat, and you barely hear any drums.I'm curious, do you have hearing problems, or wear a heading aid? I ask this as I know some Queen fans aren't in their younger years (not that you need to be of a certain age to suffer hearing loss.but the older you get, the more hearing goes...). It's just, I can't think why you'd not be hearing the album clearly, unless somehow you listened to a poor quality MP3 of the album, but I don't see why you would've done that. Here, some reading for you: link |
runner_70 11.10.2019 20:14 |
Twat bar 3 - listen to your shitty remixes and shut the fuck up |
Day dop 11.10.2019 20:19 |
runner_70 wrote: Twat bar 3 - listen to your shitty remixes and shut the fuck upNo, no one is going to "shut the fuck up" on your say so. Not even the Lambert fans who you regularly obsess over and harass. I've observed that many people have been wanting you to "shut the fuck up" for a long time on this forum. Have you ever considered taking your own advice? I know, you'd rather troll everyone, day in, day out, in order to take your mind off your miserable existence by inflicting it upon others. I suspect you'd be horrified if you understood how transparent you are to those far more intelligent and educated than yourself. But you don't understand, and I doubt you ever will. Perhaps it's not the remixes that are shitty, but your speakers that aren't up to scratch. The new remixes certainly sound punchy and clear on my set up. :-) |
Apocalipsis_Darko 11.10.2019 20:23 |
I have the box to listen well at my computer, but unfortunately, I can't share the link from Universal to listen the songs very well in their own streaming, because if I will do that, I will be in legal trouble. It happens to me once time with a Spanish artist from EMI. I shared the record with two friends....and there was a lot of tension. But listening to the cd just was enough to me for today...tomorrow I will listen the audio from Universal and telling my opinion about the new mixes |
cmsdrums 11.10.2019 21:15 |
Remixing is one thing, but I really don’t like them taking artistic decisions with the arrangements; on ‘Made In Heaven’ for example they have changed the snare beats in the opening to remove intentional repeat ghost notes and also made every other beat a dead hit as opposed to them all carrying a heavy ‘plosive’ effect, as they do intentionally on that part on the original. Also not sure on why they have replaced intentionally placed drums machine parts with acoustic drum samples (see Foolin’ Around) - I’m not saying that it sounds bad, but it radically changes the original intent and artistic decisions made by Freddie. Remix or ‘reimagining’?? |
aristide1 11.10.2019 22:07 |
Restoration. |
aristide1 11.10.2019 22:28 |
Day dop wrote: ...by someone such as myself who only logs on every now and then.This explains why you don't know that dysan is a valuable member of this community, non-aggressive, with comments above avereage and good spirit. When you started to push him around like a dog, just because he expressed a point of view different than yours, it was clear what kind of guy you are. It was clear for "me" not for "us", because I can speak only for myself, you're right on this aspect. The others may individually express their disgust. You should log in more often, not only when you are in the mood for bragging. A mental case like you is always welcomed for entertainment, although you are so painfully unpleasant that all the fun is already gone. |
space ghost 11.10.2019 22:47 |
They used in Man Made Paradise a different take in the "but you don't care" part? More lower? |
dastard 11.10.2019 23:12 |
When listening to the "new" Man Made Paradise while removing the left and right channels, that his voice sounds off. I compared it to the original and even lined both vocals up in a multitracker. It sounds like the pitch of his voice was altered. In these samples you could hear at the 8 second mark. The first are the original lines. |
dastard 11.10.2019 23:12 |
This is the new line: |
dastard 11.10.2019 23:13 |
THIS is the original one |
Day dop 12.10.2019 03:35 |
aristide1 wrote:"This" explains nothing of the sort. How about you go back and read again and if you take in what you're reading, you might realise that quote wasn't anything to do with Dysan whatsoever. I see you're up to your cheap tactics again (I previously mentioned to your cheap tactics, didn't I?). It's gone from using "we" to making your argument directly about Dysan. If you praise him up whilst having an argument with me, that'll work in your favour, right? Even if you are trying to shoehorn his name into an argument where his name doesn't belong as my comment wasn't anything to do with him at all. Hiding behind other people in order to take swipes is a cheap, transparent tactic. I suspect it's a tactic you've used all your life in arguments with others. You do it for appearances sake. Have you ever heard of the Argumentum ad populum fallacy? You more than heavily flirt with that. A position does not equate to being right just because more than one person believes that's the case.Day dop wrote: ...by someone such as myself who only logs on every now and then.This explains why you don't know that dysan is a valuable member of this community, non-aggressive, with comments above avereage and good spirit. aristide1 wrote: When you started to push him around like a dog, just because he expressed a point of view different than yours, it was clear what kind of guy you are.Pushed him around like a dog? So you see him as a victim? A dog? Well, I don't see him as a victim nor a dog. He's perfectly capable of standing up for himself, whether he's right or wrong. He doesn't strike me as a victim, nor - from my observations over the years - someone who is able to be pushed around like a dog. Unlike you I don't view him as weak. You don't put much thought into what you're writing, do you? That's the kind of guy you are. And again, another straw man argument from you, it was nothing to do with expressing "a different view" to mine. I suggest you go back, read over the exchange again. Or you can carry on arguing about it in order to egg on said member to argue all the more. That would suit you as that's your tactic all over. Further evidenced by... aristide1 wrote: It was clear for "me" not for "us", because I can speak only for myself, you're right on this aspect. The others may individually express their disgust.It was impossible for you to leave it "you're right on this aspect", wasn't it? Egging on others to individually "express their disgust" would suit someone of your mentality, wouldn't it? Being as you're completely unaware that more than one person believing in a position does not equate to it being correct. aristide1 wrote: You should log in more often, not only when you are in the mood for bragging.In the mood for "bragging"? Anything I've said is in order to back up my position. It makes no odds to me to "brag" to a bunch of faceless people on an internet forum. aristide1 wrote: A mental case like you is always welcomed for entertainment, although you are so painfully unpleasant that all the fun is already gone.There's a reason why this forum has a shitty reputation. This thread is a great example of it. A thread designed to talk about the new version of Mr Bad Guy. And instead, people such as yourself are far, far more invested in personal attacks and name calling, and dropping comments such as the one you just have there... rather than, y'know.. discussing the album How about YOU stop acting like a "mental case", and instead of repeatably attempting personal attacks that miss the mark, get on topic instead? Try that. Just try. |
runner_70 12.10.2019 05:23 |
Anyone else getting tired of daydops drivel? Everyone has mental issues if you disagree with him. What a twat. He probably is jobless and lives in mommys basement |
Biggus Dickus 12.10.2019 06:03 |
dastard wrote: When listening to the "new" Man Made Paradise while removing the left and right channels, that his voice sounds off. I compared it to the original and even lined both vocals up in a multitracker. It sounds like the pitch of his voice was altered. In these samples you could hear at the 8 second mark. The first are the original lines.Well I'm pretty sure they've run all of Freddie's vocals thru autotune or similar for every Queen/FM release for years now. |
Day dop 12.10.2019 06:25 |
runner_70 wrote: Anyone else getting tired of daydops drivel? Everyone has mental issues if you disagree with him. What a twat. He probably is jobless and lives in mommys basementWrong again. I'm self employed and live in a decent house in a respectable suburb. I think you could well be projecting when you say, "jobless and lives in mommys basement", considering that you spend an unhealthy amount of time on this forum obsessing over Adam Lambert and harassing his fans. How do you have time for a job and a home of your own? Seriously. At what point did I say, suggest, or imply that "Everyone has mental issues if you disagree" with me? Could you quote me saying, suggesting, or implying that? No? I thought not. Ironically, what's eluded you is that it was you who resorted to name calling as you cannot handle disagreement. Even since, you've continued to act in the same manner. But that's not unusual behaviour for you, is it? This is the fallacy you repeatedly make... Read on here: link The difference when it comes to you is that it isn't a question. It's well known that this forum has gone downhill since you've come here, How many people would argue that? Are you not aware of the saying, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? Have you in recent years just once ever considered that your miserable existence is NOT the fault of Adam Lambert nor his fans? Is it not time for you to finally address that? Let's see if you can comment again without attacking as you've done with so many people for years now. I highly doubt you can. |
runner_70 12.10.2019 08:43 |
Day dop wrote:Listen to your Mr Bad guy remix you seem to be obsessed with and leave me alone with your bullcrap. Get a life. I really mean it. The MMP remix sounds atrocious and I am not the only one who has that opinion. Live with it.runner_70 wrote: Anyone else getting tired of daydops drivel? Everyone has mental issues if you disagree with him. What a twat. He probably is jobless and lives in mommys basementWrong again. I'm self employed and live in a decent house in a respectable suburb. I think you could well be projecting when you say, "jobless and lives in mommys basement", considering that you spend an unhealthy amount of time on this forum obsessing over Adam Lambert and harassing his fans. How do you have time for a job and a home of your own? Seriously. At what point did I say, suggest, or imply that "Everyone has mental issues if you disagree" with me? Could you quote me saying, suggestions, or implying that? No? I thought not. Ironically, what's eluded you is that it was you who resorted to name calling as you cannot handle disagreement. Even since, you've continued to act in the same manner. But that's not unusual behaviour for you, is it? This is the fallacy you repeatedly make... Read on here: link The difference when it comes to you is that it isn't a question. It's well known that this forum has gone downhill since you've come here, How many people would argue that? Are you not aware of the saying, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? Have you in recent years just once ever considered that your miserable existence is NOT the fault of Adam Lambert nor his fans? Is it not time for you to finally address that? Let's see if you can comment again without attacking as you've done with so many people for years now. I highly doubt you can. |
Day dop 12.10.2019 08:56 |
Day dop wrote: Let's see if you can comment again without attacking as you've done with so many people for years now. I highly doubt you can. runner_70 wrote: Listen to your Mr Bad guy remix you seem to be obsessed with and leave me alone with your bullcrap. Get a life. I really mean it. The MMP remix sounds atrocious and I am not the only one who has that opinion. Live with it.I quoted my comment above, then yours, as you proved me right and it's amusing to rub that in. So... a new Freddie remix of Mr Bad Guy is released, and as a result, a member creates a thread, and comments on the subject...and in your tiny mind, that equates to being "obsessed"? Well, no. If you want an example of obsession, then look no further than your very own behaviour across MANY threads for YEARS when it comes to Adam Lambert fans who you regularly pester and harass. That is a prime example of obsession. Derp! And I find it ironic that you of all people - the person whose spent the last few years of his life dedicating so much time to harassing and trolling people (mainly Lambert fans), on Queenzone - would suggest anyone else needs to "get a life". As for the last part you wrote, you're making the appeal to popularity fallacy. link I don't think it sounds "atrocious" whatsoever. You're being your usual hyperbolic and mellow-dramatic self. it's certainly not flat sounding as you've repeatedly - and wrongly - stated. I know that as- unlike you - I've listened to it on a decent set-up and made a direct comparison to the original. Perhaps you ought to have a listen to it via a decent source (CD will do it) on a decent set-up or a decent set of headphones rather than listening to an MP3 on the internet.. How about that? However, when you eventually get the CD, it'll come as no surprise whatsoever to see you return to this thread claiming that track sounds "atrocious" as well as other hyperbolic codswallop. That's you all over. As with others who I suspect watch but don't usually voice their view, I've witnessed your clown behaviour on here for a few years now. You want me to "leave you alone"? (as though you're the victim here, when it's you who came onto this thread and started with the name calling bullshit, as you couldn't handle disagreement) What if I decide not to leave you alone? What if I decide to do what you've done to other people for years (especially Lambert fans)? Wouldn't you like a dose of your own medicine so you can see how it feels for all those you harass, pester, and obsess over? Nice thought? |
Chief Mouse 12.10.2019 10:26 |
The wise one will quit replying. |
runner_70 12.10.2019 10:49 |
Day dop wrote:There is a fine line between twat and asshole. YOu just crossed it. next one will be "sad cunt" I am sure you will succeed there either.- and now bugger off you awful shitfaceDay dop wrote: Let's see if you can comment again without attacking as you've done with so many people for years now. I highly doubt you can.runner_70 wrote: Listen to your Mr Bad guy remix you seem to be obsessed with and leave me alone with your bullcrap. Get a life. I really mean it. The MMP remix sounds atrocious and I am not the only one who has that opinion. Live with it.I quoted my comment above, then yours, as you proved me right and it's amusing to rub that in. So... a new Freddie remix of Mr Bad Guy is released, and as a result, a member creates a thread, and comments on the subject...and in your tiny mind, that equates to being "obsessed"? Well, no. If you want an example of obsession, then look no further than your very own behaviour across MANY threads for YEARS when it comes to Adam Lambert fans who you regularly pester and harass. That is a prime example of obsession. Derp! And I find it ironic that you of all people - the person whose spent the last few years of his life dedicating so much time to harassing and trolling people (mainly Lambert fans), on Queenzone - would suggest anyone else needs to "get a life". As for the last part you wrote, you're making the appeal to popularity fallacy. link I don't think it sounds "atrocious" whatsoever. You're being your usual hyperbolic and mellow-dramatic self. it's certainly not flat sounding as you've repeatedly - and wrongly - stated. I know that as- unlike you - I've listened to it on a decent set-up and made a direct comparison to the original. Perhaps you ought to have a listen to it via a decent source (CD will do it) on a decent set-up or a decent set of headphones rather than listening to an MP3 on the internet.. How about that? However, when you eventually get the CD, it'll come as no surprise whatsoever to see you return to this thread claiming that track sounds "atrocious" as well as other hyperbolic codswallop. That's you all over. As with others who I suspect watch but don't usually voice their view, I've witnessed your clown behaviour on here for a few years now. You want me to "leave you alone"? (as though you're the victim here, when it's you who came onto this thread and started with the name calling bullshit, as you couldn't handle disagreement) What if I decide not to leave you alone? What if I decide to do what you've done to other people for years (especially Lambert fans)? Wouldn't you like a dose of your own medicine so you can see how it feels for all those you harass, pester, and obsess over? Nice thought? |
runner_70 12.10.2019 10:51 |
Day dop wrote: as you couldn't handle disagreement)What a sad idiot. COming on here claiming that those who dont like the remix need a hearing aid. Fucking loser |
Star* 12.10.2019 11:17 |
@ Day Dop : To answer your question no i do not need a hearing aid and i stand by my original answer the album is not greatly improved at all apart from "Foolin Around" and as i stated before the rest of the album is hardly untouched. "Man Made Paradise" could have been dynamite if the fool that remixed it sat down and tried a few tricks with it. The drums are 3 miles away and it sounds muffled. I have an original copy of the Cd and top of the range Denon Hi fi system so please do not make any excuses up to support this badly mixed Cd. |
runner_70 12.10.2019 11:34 |
K770i wrote: @ Day Dop : To answer your question no i do not need a hearing aid and i stand by my original answer the album is not greatly improved at all apart from "Foolin Around" and as i stated before the rest of the album is hardly untouched. "Man Made Paradise" could have been dynamite if the fool that remixed it sat down and tried a few tricks with it. The drums are 3 miles away and it sounds muffled. I have an original copy of the Cd and top of the range Denon Hi fi system so please do not make any excuses up to support this badly mixed Cd.Amen! Foolin around sounds like a RT Wannabe is trying to drum |
SpaceGrey 12.10.2019 11:50 |
Biggus Dickus wrote:Do you have any evidence?dastard wrote: When listening to the "new" Man Made Paradise while removing the left and right channels, that his voice sounds off. I compared it to the original and even lined both vocals up in a multitracker. It sounds like the pitch of his voice was altered. In these samples you could hear at the 8 second mark. The first are the original lines.Well I'm pretty sure they've run all of Freddie's vocals thru autotune or similar for every Queen/FM release for years now. |
SpaceGrey 12.10.2019 11:51 |
I can not decide what version I like more 2019 or 1985 |
Day dop 12.10.2019 12:36 |
K770i wrote: @ Day Dop : To answer your question no i do not need a hearing aid and i stand by my original answer the album is not greatly improved at all apart from "Foolin Around" and as i stated before the rest of the album is hardly untouched. "Man Made Paradise" could have been dynamite if the fool that remixed it sat down and tried a few tricks with it. The drums are 3 miles away and it sounds muffled. I have an original copy of the Cd and top of the range Denon Hi fi system so please do not make any excuses up to support this badly mixed Cd.There's many differences, but for some reason you're not hearing them. To say the rest of the album is hardly touched is just not true at all (you actually wrote "hardly untouched", but from the the rest of your message it seems you meant hardly touched, not hardly untouched). From the bass that's been rerecorded on multiple tracks, alternations of the synths (be it volume or the amount of reverb), Mercury's voice which has had the OTT reverb taken away, to the drums. It absolutely doesn't sound muffed either. Quite the opposite. As said earlier, compared to the original, there's space between the instruments, it's more punchy, it's clearer etc. It weird that you can't hear that for some reason. I genuinely don't understand why you're not. Because there absolutely are plenty of audible differences. So the issue is either - sorry to say - your hearing, or what you're playing the album back on. I am totally not trying to insult you either. That would be pointless. But the fact remains that the differences I've mentioned are easy to hear, as well as the improvement in sound quality. |
Day dop 12.10.2019 12:37 |
Chief Mouse wrote: The wise one will quit replying.I don't know how people here have put up with it for so many years on this forum. I've witnessed plenty, but tend to not get involved as I'd barely be considered a part time member here, let alone a full time member, so fortunately, I don't have to deal with it all the time like others. I don't envy folks having to put up with that shit constantly. It was much better before the clown infestation. |
runner_70 12.10.2019 16:50 |
Day dop wrote:It was - absolutely. Before tha clown called day dop (what kinda name is that ???) that came on hear and tried to tell everyone that his opinion is the only one that counts. SOmeone should have told him that it is completely subjective to think of a remix being better or worse. But he is selling hi "elitist" opinion and others who dont like it should get a hearing aid and "don't hear that it is better". It is like saying some girl is more beautiful than the other. Completely stupid!Chief Mouse wrote: The wise one will quit replying.I don't know how people here have put up with it for so many} years on this forum. I've witnessed plenty, but tend to not get involved as I'd barely be considered a part time member here, let alone a full time member, so fortunately, I don't have to deal with it all the time like others. I don't envy folks having to put up with that shit constantly. It was much better before the clown infestation. |
Star* 12.10.2019 17:27 |
I have just heard "The Great Pretender" and that too sounds dull compared to the original. I am sure Abba's producers could have made a much better job of Freddie's work than the clowns that have butchered this release. "Never Boring" has become boring and flat. Roger Taylor once said that "Live Killers" sounded terrible so this sound production crap has been going on for years in the Queen camp. |
brians wig 12.10.2019 17:30 |
They couldn't even be arsed to do surround sound mixes for the bluray. Cheapskate bastards. |
Star* 12.10.2019 17:38 |
Exactly who the fuck was on the mixing desk needs shooting. |
Star* 12.10.2019 17:40 |
By the way The Freddie Mercury releases should not be called "Special Edition" it should be called "Fucked up Edition" |
Day dop 12.10.2019 17:56 |
runner_70 wrote:Incorrect as per usual, What is subjective is whether you like it or not. However, when it comes to dynamics, loudness, limiting etc, that's not subjective. The new version of Mr Bad Guy is certainly not "flat" as you described it. Comprehendo? I'll say it again: When it comes to dynamics, loudness, limiting etc, that's not subjective. What next? Are you going to suggest that it's subjective whether there's such a thing as gravity? Whether 9/11 was a controlled demolition? Whether vaccinations are generally safe overall? Oh sorry, is that me being "elitist", you uneducated dunce? You calling anyone else "completely stupid" is as ironic as you - the biggest troll on this forum who spends an unhealthy amount of time harassing and pestering Lambert fans - coming out with "get a life".Day dop wrote:It was - absolutely. Before tha clown called day dop (what kinda name is that ???) that came on hear and tried to tell everyone that his opinion is the only one that counts. SOmeone should have told him that it is completely subjective to think of a remix being better or worse. But he is selling hi "elitist" opinion and others who dont like it should get a hearing aid and "don't hear that it is better". It is like saying some girl is more beautiful than the other. Completely stupid!Chief Mouse wrote: The wise one will quit replying.I don't know how people here have put up with it for so many} years on this forum. I've witnessed plenty, but tend to not get involved as I'd barely be considered a part time member here, let alone a full time member, so fortunately, I don't have to deal with it all the time like others. I don't envy folks having to put up with that shit constantly. It was much better before the clown infestation. runner_70 wrote: What a sad idiot. COming on here claiming that those who dont like the remix need a hearing aid. Fucking loserStraw man alert! I never once claimed that. Not once. The reason a hearing aid might be required is not being able to hear the differences between the original version and the new version. That isn't about whether anyone likes it or not. It's about not being able to hear the differences That's probably too complicated for a simpleton such as yourself to grasp, right? Yeah, I thought so. Btw, have you ever heard of The Dunning Kruger effect? It applies to you... "The Dunning-Kruger effect (also known as Mount Stupid[1] or Smug Snake[2]), named after David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University, occurs where people fail to adequately assess their level of competence — or specifically, their incompetence — at a task and thus consider themselves much more competent than everyone else. This lack of awareness is attributed to their lower level of competence robbing them of the ability to critically analyse their performance, leading to a significant overestimation of themselves. In simple words it's "people who are too ignorant to know how ignorant they are"." link You're a fucking embarrassment. |
Day dop 12.10.2019 17:57 |
K770i wrote: Exactly who the fuck was on the mixing desk needs shooting.Why? Because you can't hear the difference between the original version and the new version? Some examples that I mentioned earlier... 1) The alterations to the synths - be it louder / quieter / added reverb etc 2) The rerecorded bass on many of the tracks (2,4,5,7,10,11) 3) The new more organic sounding drums 4) The OTT reverb removed from Freddie Mercury's voice How are you not able to hear the differences> Differences that others here can hear. And how is it the person at the mixing desks fault that you can't hear what others can? |
*goodco* 12.10.2019 18:27 |
jayzus.....this thread caught my eye, and then I look at one or two posts per page, because it's degenerated into yet another ridiculous 'Adam' type thread. Chill, people. And, any intelligent in depth response to runner_IQ 70 flies over his head anyway. Not worth the trouble. |
runner_70 12.10.2019 22:04 |
Day dop wrote:Stupid idiot. Give it up already you sad wankerK770i wrote: Exactly who the fuck was on the mixing desk needs shooting.Why? Because you can't hear the difference between the original version and the new version? Some examples that I mentioned earlier... 1) The alterations to the synths - be it louder / quieter / added reverb etc 2) The rerecorded bass on many of the tracks (2,4,5,7,10,11) 3) The new more organic sounding drums 4) The OTT reverb removed from Freddie Mercury's voice How are you not able to hear the differences that others here can? And how is it the person at the mixing desks fault that you can't hear what others can? |
Day dop 13.10.2019 04:28 |
runner_70 wrote:You have no argument that holds up. All you have is ad hominem.Day dop wrote:Stupid idiot. Give it up already you sad wankerK770i wrote: Exactly who the fuck was on the mixing desk needs shooting.Why? Because you can't hear the difference between the original version and the new version? Some examples that I mentioned earlier... 1) The alterations to the synths - be it louder / quieter / added reverb etc 2) The rerecorded bass on many of the tracks (2,4,5,7,10,11) 3) The new more organic sounding drums 4) The OTT reverb removed from Freddie Mercury's voice How are you not able to hear the differences that others here can? And how is it the person at the mixing desks fault that you can't hear what others can? Irony overload as well... "Stupid idiot" coming from someone who doesn't understand that dynamics are not subjective. "Sad wanker" coming someone who spends an unhealthy amount of time on this forum obsessing over Lambert and his fans. And "give it up" you say? Despite spending so much of your miserable life here, you are clearly disliked and widely regarded as a nuisance. Baring that in mind - for the long term sufferers that've had to put up with you for so long - how about you take your own advice? Of course, you won't, because misery loves company! |
runner_70 13.10.2019 08:43 |
EVeryone hears those "Difference" you fuckwhit. But some dont agree with you that it is "better". Got it now ? |
Day dop 13.10.2019 08:49 |
runner_70 wrote: EVeryone hears those "Difference" you fuckwhit. But some dont agree with you that it is "better". Got it now ?Hello again very dim person. It should come as no surprise to you whatsoever to find that you're incorrect yet again. For example, did you miss the comment that said, "Sorry guys the only improvement on this album was "Foolin Around" and the rest do not sound any different."? I think that last part, "the rest do not sound any different", disproves your claim that "EVeryone hears those "Difference"" (btw, "those Difference" is incorrect. It should be "the difference", as I wrote earlier). . See? As I said, once again you're incorrect, and I suspect you're so used to being wrong in every way that all you feel you have in your miserable life is people on this forum to take your frustrations out on. Your original argument was that it sounded "flat", which it does not. Because of disagreement, you had one of your regular tantrums, name calling, throwing out straw man arguments etc, which is the way you've acted on this forum with people ever since you joined. i suspect this forum is the only place you socialise (for want of a better term). Do you think people here would miss you if you never logged in again? |
Star* 13.10.2019 09:39 |
@DayDop Listen we all have opinions so you think the album is different and all for the better i disagree, i think it is a rip off to get fans to buy the album again. One song has been a great improvement "Foolin Around" the rest of the tracks are either ruined with bad mixing or they sound remain the same. My opinion so i am not ranting about this. My views to other Queen fans is don't bother buying this album but just enjoy the original copy of Mr Bad Guy the way Freddie approved of it on its release back in 1985. |
snelly1 13.10.2019 10:27 |
Listened to the new mix/re-record on vinyl. A few thoughts, it does sound fuller, better instrument separation, updated drums, bass and more prominent vocals with less reverb. However, the mix is at times just WEIRD, things pop up suddenly louder seemingly out of nowhere, some synths seem way to loud, stereo field odd at times....nowhere near as good as the Abbey Road remix. Shame as some of these tracks could be real killers in the right hands. |
runner_70 13.10.2019 12:15 |
Day dop wrote:Hey fuckwhit- I stand by my comment that MMP sounds atrocious and FLAT: Especially the drums. Fooling around is the same thing. While on the original MMP was full of drumreverb and sounded almost as pompous as Queen (No wonder it started out as a Queen song) the new version sounds like being recorded in a Jazz club. Totally flat. No dynamics whatsoever. End of discussion really. YOU seem to like it more - but wtf cares apart from your elitist bullshit opinion. MMP and the whole MBG from 1985 sounds as Freddie wanted it to sound back then. I doubt he would be pleased that 34 years later some unknown people try to mix it how THEY want it to sound. It is almost grave robbery. But that's what Maylor been doing for 28 years now. I think you would also be pleased if they would re-record older albums with Lamebird on vocals. And you would all enlighten us with your stupidity as it "sounds better the before".runner_70 wrote: EVeryone hears those "Difference" you fuckwhit. But some dont agree with you that it is "better". Got it now ?Hello again very dim person. It should come as no surprise to you whatsoever to find that you're incorrect yet again. For example, did you miss the comment that said, "Sorry guys the only improvement on this album was "Foolin Around" and the rest do not sound any different."? I think that last part, "the rest do not sound any different", disproves your claim that "EVeryone hears those "Difference"" (btw, "those Difference" is incorrect. It should be "the difference", as I wrote earlier). . See? As I said, once again you're incorrect, and I suspect you're so used to being wrong in every way that all you feel you have in your miserable life is people on this forum to take your frustrations out on. Your original argument was that it sounded "flat", which it does not. Because of disagreement, you had one of your regular tantrums, name calling, throwing out straw man arguments etc, which is the way you've acted on this forum with people ever since you joined. i suspect this forum is the only place you socialise (for want of a better term). Do you think people here would miss you if you never logged in again? |
runner_70 13.10.2019 12:16 |
K770i wrote: @DayDop Listen we all have opinions so you think the album is different and all for the better i disagree, i think it is a rip off to get fans to buy the album again. One song has been a great improvement "Foolin Around" the rest of the tracks are either ruined with bad mixing or they sound remain the same. My opinion so i am not ranting about this. My views to other Queen fans is don't bother buying this album but just enjoy the original copy of Mr Bad Guy the way Freddie approved of it on its release back in 1985.Spot on! I can already read the looney's comments that you are "wrong" again. utterly ridiculous. I doubt he even has the original pressing back from 1985. |
Star* 13.10.2019 13:17 |
@ Runner70 At the end of the day trying to interfere with rock history is totally wrong. What right do they have to twiddle knobs here and there on mixing desks and fuck Freddie's album up? I think in all honesty its all about Money and Queen fans are the most ripped off people of all bands ever when it comes to merchandise. |
Day dop 13.10.2019 14:15 |
runner_70 wrote: Hey fuckwhitPredictably enough, the irony eludes you once again, straight off the bat. runner_70 wrote:I stand by my comment that MMP sounds atrocious and FLAT: Especially the drums. Fooling around is the same thing. While on the original MMP was full of drumreverb and sounded almost as pompous as Queen (No wonder it started out as a Queen song) the new version sounds like being recorded in a Jazz club. Totally flat. No dynamics whatsoever. End of discussion really.Did you think I'd expect you to ever NOT stand by your initial opinion after hearing a poor quality MP3 clip on the internet? Even when the CD comes through the post, you'll still stand by your initial opinion. Even if you heard the CD on a decent stereo system and heard how much better it sounds then the original, you'd still never admit you was wrong to pass judgement after hearing an MP3. That's who you are. Of course a poor quality MP3 sounds flat and lacks dynamics. However, the CD certainly does not. runner_70 wrote: YOU seem to like it more - but wtf cares apart from your elitist bullshit opinion.You care. And you care so much that you resorted to name calling, straw man arguments, and general all-round dummy spitting. runner_70 wrote: MMP and the whole MBG from 1985 sounds as Freddie wanted it to sound back then. I doubt he would be pleased that 34 years later some unknown people try to mix it how THEY want it to sound. It is almost grave robbery. But that's what Maylor been doing for 28 years now. I think you would also be pleased if they would re-record older albums with Lamebird on vocals. And you would all enlighten us with your stupidity as it "sounds better the before".I skimmed through the rest of that nonsense and laughed when I got to the part where you're back to your favourite obsession again. I wonder, do you have posters of Lambert on your wall? You LOVE obsessing over him. Not that you ever pay attention to anything other than your own one dimensional opinions,but I've said on this forum before that I don't rate Lambert's vocals, I find his singing to be harsh and grating. But according to you, I'd "be pleased if they would re-record older albums with Lamebird on vocals." If only you paid attention, you might learn something. |
Day dop 13.10.2019 14:16 |
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Day dop 13.10.2019 14:30 |
K770i wrote: @DayDop Listen we all have opinions so you think the album is different and all for the better i disagree, i think it is a rip off to get fans to buy the album again. One song has been a great improvement "Foolin Around" the rest of the tracks are either ruined with bad mixing or they sound remain the same. My opinion so i am not ranting about this. My views to other Queen fans is don't bother buying this album but just enjoy the original copy of Mr Bad Guy the way Freddie approved of it on its release back in 1985.I genuinely don't see how you could think the rest of the tracks sound the same. But never mind. Surely it'd be better to tell people to listen for themselves rather than to suggest don't bother buying it? The majority of people's opinions I've read consider it an improvement, after all. |
Day dop 13.10.2019 14:52 |
runner_70 wrote: Spot on! I can already read the looney's comments that you are "wrong" again. utterly ridiculous. I doubt he even has the original pressing back from 1985.It's so weird that you call other people all the names that apply to you. Only a loony would act the way you have on this forum for years, y'know, obsessing over Lambert and harassing his fans regularly, trolling etc etc... Why would you doubt I own an original Mr Bad Guy pressing? It's not like it's rare, is it? Well, you're wrong again regardless. I guess because you're full of it, you think everyone else is like you. But no. Here's my original Mr Bad Guy,and also the Special Edition CD...
And here's what I'm listening to it on...
You can't hear that it's an improvement, but most can hear that it's an improvement. And that's fine. :-) |
Day dop 13.10.2019 15:16 |
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pma 13.10.2019 15:24 |
I think the MBG special edition is an overall improvement, and for those who don't fancy this one, there are many ways to obtain the original version and stick to that one. Let's face it, this was never a sonic masterpiece of spectacular arrangement, sound engineering, or mixing in the first place. So I accept that the output quality of these new mixes will not suddenly become spectacular. I think they've done a decent effort at polishing some terrible mixes, and some have worked out better than the others. Personally I would have not objected if they'd just gone and handed the originals for a total re-imaginging to let's say Daft Punk or to a 79-year old Giorgio Moroder to try and achieve that 80's Munich/New York club sound that may have been the desired / intended soundscape of some of the original tracks. Love Kills was/is spectacular in terms of it's programming and the mix (personal opinion), so it's baffling how MBG turned out way worse in those aspects. |
Day dop 13.10.2019 15:42 |
pma wrote: I think the MBG special edition is an overall improvement, and for those who don't fancy this one, there are many ways to obtain the original version and stick to that one.^ This ^ I don't see the point in repeatedly whining about it. Much like you've said, if you don't like the new version, stick with the original. It's much the same with Queen+ AL. If you take issue with it, it's fine to let your opinion be known, but fucking hell, don't develop an unhealthy obsession over it and don't fixate on his fans year in, year out (I don't particularly like his singing, I've let that be known here before, but that doesn't mean I've developed an unhealthy obsession that's lasted years like you have). Just move on instead. Has it ever occurred to you to do that, Runner_70? |
Apocalipsis_Darko 13.10.2019 15:47 |
Well, I'm listening right now the new mix of Mr. Bad Guy on wav from the streaming of Universal... It is my first listening.....with good headphones to listen better...yes, it's more organic and sounds better in general....but I still prefer the original production because it is what Freddie wanted to publish and also I heard it so much that my ears are into the original version. I have to analyze every song. |
cmi 13.10.2019 15:47 |
Day dop, respect to you! |
Saint Jiub 13.10.2019 16:08 |
cmi wrote: Day dop, respect to you!amen to that |
Day dop 13.10.2019 16:55 |
K770i wrote: @ Runner70 At the end of the day trying to interfere with rock history is totally wrong. What right do they have to twiddle knobs here and there on mixing desks and fuck Freddie's album up? I think in all honesty its all about Money and Queen fans are the most ripped off people of all bands ever when it comes to merchandise.They have every right. Freddie gave Jim Beach permission to do whatever he wanted with his music before he died. And of course it's also about money. Freddie never pretended that money wasn't a major factor in what he did. I don't feel ripped off because I don't buy stuff I don't like or want. No one forces anyone to buy Queen merchandise. In the end, the album will be heard by more people at a time when Queen are riding another wave of popularity. I don't see that as a bad thing at all. |
Day dop 13.10.2019 17:01 |
Saint Jiub wrote:Thanks. I'd have preferred it if Runner_70 hadn't soiled this thread as he does so many others, but still... it's to be expected, I guess...cmi wrote: Day dop, respect to you!amen to that |
*goodco* 13.10.2019 17:44 |
daydrop......start another thread then! Go through your analysis of each song, and..................don't feed the frickin' troll and get into arguments. I would love to read about the differences between the original and new release. I hate the fact that Richard and Your Valentine allow this 'reverse censorship'. Those that might post, do not, because of the 'idiots', or they have just quit following this web site due to this. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 13.10.2019 18:22 |
But you still believe Freddie gave permission to Jim Beach? hahaha. It's like being an adult and thinks the monster of Lake Less exists... The album sounds better, yes, but it's a sacrilege what they do with Stefan Wisnett.... |
montanasz 13.10.2019 18:40 |
snelly1 wrote: However, the mix is at times just WEIRD, things pop up suddenly louder seemingly out of nowhere, some synths seem way to loud, stereo field odd at times....nowhere near as good as the Abbey Road remix. Shame as some of these tracks could be real killers in the right hands.I got the same impression and felt them quite distracting...and think that alter the feeling of songs. Although I like the fact Freddie's voice sounds way much clear in this new remix, I miss the reverb from the original among other things...and i think i'll stick to it. Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: ...but I still prefer the original production because it is what Freddie wanted to publishamen to that! PS. btw, hi everyone, i'm a newbie here. |
Day dop 13.10.2019 18:56 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: But you still believe Freddie gave permission to Jim Beach? hahaha. It's like being an adult and thinks the monster of Lake Less exists... The album sounds better, yes, but it's a sacrilege what they do with Stefan Wisnett....It's not like that at all. It's not implausible that Freddie said that to Jim Beach, nor has it repeatedly been debunked, unlike the myth you mentioned. |
Day dop 13.10.2019 19:01 |
*goodco* wrote: daydrop......start another thread then! Go through your analysis of each song, and..................don't feed the frickin' troll and get into arguments. I would love to read about the differences between the original and new release. I hate the fact that Richard and Your Valentine allow this 'reverse censorship'. Those that might post, do not, because of the 'idiots', or they have just quit following this web site due to this.Tbh, I'll pass. It's a nice idea, but what's the point on this forum these days? Too much trolling, too much negativity. Edit: Maybe tomorrow I will. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 13.10.2019 19:29 |
Well Day dop, I want not to be arrogant, but I talked and met Mack and Mike Moran, closer friends of Freddie, and you must imagine what they think about this... Don't you see the fuckin bad edition from Times waits....in cd single with cardboard and the picture disc single? And only you can buy it online...If QP would have all the rights, that song would be published as single in a lot of variations, and would be number1 in UK, but....Jim Beach has the rights of image and voice, but not the right of the music and lyrics from that song, and also not In my defense. That's why there are not in spotify in the compilation messenger of the gods.... Why Jim Beach is the secret hero in live aid movie adaptation? It was Trip Khalif... |
Apocalipsis_Darko 13.10.2019 19:31 |
Well, too much negative....its funny said that. This forum is like the world, there are great persons but a lot of persons trying to be the master of the fuckin universe.... |
Apocalipsis_Darko 13.10.2019 19:32 |
And I will not comment more on this Mr. Bad Guy topic because is impossible to discuss in good terms with some persons. |
Jake12 13.10.2019 19:45 |
I love it! Honestly the whole sound just sounds very fresh and clean! Lots of improvements.. only thing I have to complain about are the videos.. this in particular brother the living shit out of me!!! |
Jake12 13.10.2019 19:45 |
VHS!? |
Jake12 13.10.2019 19:47 |
The Great Pretender Documentary (2012) |
Jake12 13.10.2019 19:48 |
Never Boring (2019) |
Day dop 13.10.2019 20:03 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Well Day dop, I want not to be arrogant, but I talked and met Mack and Mike Moran, closer friends of Freddie, and you must imagine what they think about this...I understand that it concerns you, if what you're saying is true, but to me, it's just gossip. You can understand, right? I would ask if they want people on a public forum to know how they feel about it, but it's not my business, and to be honest, it makes no odds to me anyway. Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Don't you see the fuckin bad edition from Times waits....in cd single with cardboard and the picture disc single?.Time Waits For No One? I can't say I was fussed about owning that version. I heard it on YouTube / Spotify and that did me fine. I had no intention of buying it. What type of CD sleeves you get doesn't really bother me, but it's surprising that plastic CD jewel cases are still a thing these days. Greta wouldn't approve. Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: And only you can buy it online...If QP would have all the rights, that song would be published as single in a lot of variations, and would be number1 in UK, but....Jim Beach has the rights of image and voice, but not the right of the music and lyrics from that song, and also not In my defense. That's why there are not in spotify in the compilation messenger of the gods....In My Defence is on Messenger of the Gods on Spotify (I just clicked it and I'm listening now). Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Why Jim Beach is the secret hero in live aid movie adaptation? It was Trip Khalif...Because I suspect it was easier and less time consuming than introducing another character that wouldn't have meant anything to the audience. It's not as though Bohemian Rhapsody was any more accurate than any other biopic. I don't think there's anything particularly sinister going on there. . Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Well, too much negative....its funny said that. This forum is like the world, there are great persons but a lot of persons trying to be the master of the fuckin universe....Wait. did you think the "negative" comment was said with you in mind? You're acting like you think that's the case. But it absolutely wasn't. Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: And I will not comment more on this Mr. Bad Guy topic because is impossible to discuss in good terms with some persons.It's "impossible" because you jumped to a false conclusion, thinking I was taking about you. I wasn't. |
Day dop 13.10.2019 21:03 |
Jake12 wrote: I love it! Honestly the whole sound just sounds very fresh and clean! Lots of improvements.. only thing I have to complain about are the videos.. this in particular brother the living shit out of me!!!Same. I keep playing the new version, it's given the album a new lease of life. What's up with the videos? I've seen a few uploads on YouTube, they seemed okay to me, but I've not seen many of 'em. |
Viper 14.10.2019 08:57 |
Well, the new version of the album seems fine, imo. However, it still is a not so good album, so I'll give it a spin once in a while. |
Makka 14.10.2019 09:05 |
Having listened through the new mixes on Mr Bad Guy, they're not bad but the music hasn't aged well at all in my opinion. Still not a very good album. |
cmsdrums 14.10.2019 16:25 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Well Day dop, I want not to be arrogant, but I talked and met Mack and Mike Moran, closer friends of Freddie, and you must imagine what they think about this... Don't you see the fuckin bad edition from Times waits....in cd single with cardboard and the picture disc single? And only you can buy it online...If QP would have all the rights, that song would be published as single in a lot of variations, and would be number1 in UK, but....Jim Beach has the rights of image and voice, but not the right of the music and lyrics from that song, and also not In my defense. That's why there are not in spotify in the compilation messenger of the gods.... Why Jim Beach is the secret hero in live aid movie adaptation? It was Trip Khalif...Jim Beach has no say over the Time Waits For No One single - Dave Clark owns the rights to that. |
Star* 14.10.2019 16:27 |
Mr Bad Guy was always a very underrated album but after saying that it is a great album and i enjoy the songs a lot. Freddie put a lot of hard work in to the album and its such a shame he never got the credit for it. The album is very spot on with what was happening in the 80s with music and style at the time. All in all "Mr Bad Guy" should have been Number one in the album charts. |
cmsdrums 14.10.2019 16:32 |
snelly1 wrote: Listened to the new mix/re-record on vinyl. A few thoughts, it does sound fuller, better instrument separation, updated drums, bass and more prominent vocals with less reverb. However, the mix is at times just WEIRD, things pop up suddenly louder seemingly out of nowhere, some synths seem way to loud, stereo field odd at times....nowhere near as good as the Abbey Road remix. Shame as some of these tracks could be real killers in the right hands.What is the Abbey Road remix release you refer to? Other than the single release of ‘Living On My Own’ I’m not aware of any other release of Mr Bad Guy than the original version and subsequent remaster in the Freddie box set in 2000? |
dudeofqueen 14.10.2019 16:45 |
K770i, re: >All in all "Mr Bad Guy" should have been Number one in the album charts. Fucking funniest thing I've seen on here in ages. Even if Freddie had offered to PAY people to buy the bloody thing, not enough people would have bought it. Shit, if even the hard-core homosexual community didn't "come out" and support the album by buying it in their *droves*, there's absloutely no hope for it. It was a turd. Freddie knew that. The people that contributed to the album knew that. Polishing it witha new cloth makes it no less of a turd. |
runner_70 14.10.2019 19:44 |
cmsdrums wrote:He is talking about the BEatles Re Release that came out 2 weeks ago not about a Queen/Freddie releasesnelly1 wrote: Listened to the new mix/re-record on vinyl. A few thoughts, it does sound fuller, better instrument separation, updated drums, bass and more prominent vocals with less reverb. However, the mix is at times just WEIRD, things pop up suddenly louder seemingly out of nowhere, some synths seem way to loud, stereo field odd at times....nowhere near as good as the Abbey Road remix. Shame as some of these tracks could be real killers in the right hands.What is the Abbey Road remix release you refer to? Other than the single release of ‘Living On My Own’ I’m not aware of any other release of Mr Bad Guy than the original version and subsequent remaster in the Freddie box set in 2000? |
runner_70 14.10.2019 19:46 |
dudeofqueen wrote: K770i, re: >All in all "Mr Bad Guy" should have been Number one in the album charts. Fucking funniest thing I've seen on here in ages. Even if Freddie had offered to PAY people to buy the bloody thing, not enough people would have bought it. Shit, if even the hard-core homosexual community didn't "come out" and support the album by buying it in their *droves*, there's absloutely no hope for it. It was a turd. Freddie knew that. The people that contributed to the album knew that. Polishing it witha new cloth makes it no less of a turd.What has this to do with a "Homosexual community" you stupid homophobic fuckwhit? The album surely ain't a classic but it was a fun 80's pop album. Ballads, Disco Numbers and hardly any rockers. Nice light entertainment with an awesome voice. |
dudeofqueen 15.10.2019 10:21 |
Runner_70, re: >What has this to do with a "Homosexual community" you stupid homophobic fuckwhit? The inference being that if even millions of gay people (identifying with Freddie's image of the time) weren't attracted by the overt pop / dance feel of the material on the album to elevate it to chart success, then it's hardly any wonder that it wa s acommercial failure. Assuming I'm homophobic when you simply cant do anything other than make a sweeping assumption identifies you as.......a cunt. >The album surely ain't a classic but it was a fun 80's pop album. Ballads, Disco Numbers and hardly any rockers. Nice light entertainment with an awesome voice. It's fucking dreadful and a waste of good raw materials. |
Vali 15.10.2019 14:52 |
Have listened to the new mix several times now. Played it side by side with the original album to compare tracks and ...I'm in. Love it. Is it disrespectful to Freddie's original vision and the artistic decisions he took when he originally recorded the album? maybe yes, maybe not. We can't know! If he was alive, he could be still defending the original recording today, or he could have already bashed it many years ago, ala David Bowie / Never Let Me Down. We'll never know. It's a matter of personal taste and I will happily live with both versions from now on, most specially with the new mix. And I hope they dare going the same route someday with Innuendo. |
dysan 15.10.2019 14:59 |
That Never Let Me Down remix is a car crash :( |
Vali 15.10.2019 15:28 |
dysan wrote: That Never Let Me Down remix is a car crash :(that remix is a completely different story, of course. I just mentioned that album as an example of the author disliking his work years later. |
dysan 15.10.2019 15:43 |
Yes agreed. |
Star* 15.10.2019 16:15 |
@Dudeofqueen You obviously are no Queen fan and Freddie worked fucking hard on Mr Bad Guy he was very proud of that album and it has got some really strong songs on it. Mercury always released strong material and i for one appreciate this album even if you don't. |
dudeofqueen 15.10.2019 16:22 |
K770i, re: >You obviously are no Queen fan and Freddie worked fucking hard on Mr Bad Guy he was very proud of that album and it has got some really strong songs on it. I *was* a huge Queen fan until the machine decided to shit all over the history of the band. Also a big fan of Freddies (even dressed in those leather shorts and cap........). He may have worked VERY hard and been INTENSELY proud of it. Doesn't make it any less of a steaming pile of shit that has no worth which only had a song of value after he died and after it had been ntensively re-mixed and re-mastered. >Mercury always released strong material and i for one appreciate this album even if you don't. He didn't. Mustapha. Don't Try Suicide. Body Language. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure. Rain Must Fall. Delilah. Mr Bad Guy. All car crashes of the highest order. Pleased for you that your quality control level is set so low. |
dysan 15.10.2019 16:42 |
Gah! I like those songs |
runner_70 15.10.2019 17:16 |
K770i wrote: @Dudeofqueen You obviously are no Queen fan and Freddie worked fucking hard on Mr Bad Guy he was very proud of that album and it has got some really strong songs on it. Mercury always released strong material and i for one appreciate this album even if you don't.He is a homophobic fuckwhit thats true |
runner_70 15.10.2019 17:16 |
K770i wrote: @Dudeofqueen You obviously are no Queen fan and Freddie worked fucking hard on Mr Bad Guy he was very proud of that album and it has got some really strong songs on it. Mercury always released strong material and i for one appreciate this album even if you don't.He is a homophobic fuckwhit thats true |
cmsdrums 15.10.2019 19:41 |
runner_70 wrote:Ah I see - thanks!cmsdrums wrote:He is talking about the BEatles Re Release that came out 2 weeks ago not about a Queen/Freddie releasesnelly1 wrote: Listened to the new mix/re-record on vinyl. A few thoughts, it does sound fuller, better instrument separation, updated drums, bass and more prominent vocals with less reverb. However, the mix is at times just WEIRD, things pop up suddenly louder seemingly out of nowhere, some synths seem way to loud, stereo field odd at times....nowhere near as good as the Abbey Road remix. Shame as some of these tracks could be real killers in the right hands.What is the Abbey Road remix release you refer to? Other than the single release of ‘Living On My Own’ I’m not aware of any other release of Mr Bad Guy than the original version and subsequent remaster in the Freddie box set in 2000? |
dudeofqueen 16.10.2019 09:19 |
runner_70, re: >He is a homophobic fuckwhit thats true Even if it was, you're STILL unable to spell fuckwit despite having a couple of stabs at it. Nice to see you've found a friend though; those Civil Partnerships are wonderful things and I wish you both all the happiness in the world in an ENTIRELY gender fluid, non-homophobic manner. I'll pop a present in the post to you and hope that you'll both be able to use both ends of it to the fullest. |
FlorianS 16.10.2019 11:39 |
I prefer the new mix. I remember being totally disapointed when I first listened to Mr. Bad Guy back in 92. Still the album is far from being a Masterpiece. but now I enjoy Man made Paradise - a song I could not stand for over 27 years. |
Star* 16.10.2019 18:10 |
@dudeofqueen i grant you Delilah was awful but i excuse Fred for that because the great man was dying of Aids. Mustapha Don try Suicide, Body Language are all great tracks, maybe nit in the concrete set Queen you love but that was the point of these tracks exploring new avenues and new sounds. Staying Power was another great track and Freddie sounds cool on that track. Remember Queen doing that song at The Milton Keynes gig for The Tube tv show, brilliant. |
runner_70 16.10.2019 18:33 |
After the first proper listen: * The drums sound flat most of the time as expected by those youtube HD clips. I hate MMP and IWBTLY. The ballads sound fine. My Love is dangerous is ok. They try to hard to make the drums sound like ROger (On Fooling around for example). Mr Bad Guy (the song) sounds also way less pompous than it was intended to. Made In Heaven is ok and so is Let's turn it own. The packing is very cheap. What is the "Special Edition" - only the remix? What if the put some additional pix in the booklet. Got the Never Bring picture disc as well. Looking rather nice. Cannot hear very much difference in "Great Pretender". "Love Kills" is ok as well. The rest we all heard before. Still do not think that they should re-touch stuff like this without the "Permission" by its creator. I doubt "Freddie would have loved it". Cash grab surely and even though I did not want to I bought MBG Cd//ALbum and NB PicDisc. All for the Jim beach pension fund...... Last thing: Still think the original MBG version is far superior to the Queen version, which is overblown and very patchy. Nice to have an evening with this amazing voice again. Since QAL I haven't listened to Queen very much because it always upsets me what they are doing now and I don't like Maylor anymore. |
ggo1 17.10.2019 05:21 |
runner_70 wrote "Since QAL I haven't listened to Queen very much because it always upsets me what they are doing now and I don't like Maylor anymore." Jeez, you'd never know. You should mention it more. :-) |
ggo1 17.10.2019 05:24 |
@k770i. There can be no forgiveness for Delilah. It's only redeeming feature is that it isn't Man On The Prowl. When I get to Hell my punishment will be those two tracks on repeat forever. |
Day dop 17.10.2019 11:43 |
runner_70 wrote: After the first proper listen: * The drums sound flat most of the time as expected by those youtube HD clips.You're still making the same backward claim ad nauseam. |
Day dop 17.10.2019 12:01 |
This made me laugh (because it's so fucking pathetic)...
runner_70 wrote: Nice to have an evening with this amazing voice again. Since QAL I haven't listened to Queen very much because it always upsets me what they are doing now and I don't like Maylor anymore.You protest way too much. You know you're never gonna get to suck Lambert's cock no matter how much you obsess over him, right? |
Day dop 17.10.2019 12:18 |
FlorianS wrote: I prefer the new mix. I remember being totally disapointed when I first listened to Mr. Bad Guy back in 92. Still the album is far from being a Masterpiece. but now I enjoy Man made Paradise - a song I could not stand for over 27 years.It definitely sounds better. |
dysan 17.10.2019 12:22 |
Curious amount of editing you do on your posts. |
Day dop 17.10.2019 12:32 |
dysan wrote: Curious amount of editing you do on your posts.You must be seriously bored if you have nothing better to do than watch someone edit their post. |
dysan 17.10.2019 12:56 |
Yes it's a terrible day today. Wet out and just can't really concentrate on anything. |
dudeofqueen 17.10.2019 16:42 |
Day dop, re: >It definitely sounds better. How does a pile of shit sound better than a pile of shit? Maybe it's raining where you are and the sound of the water splashing on your bedroom window is - somehow - improving the sound. Perhaps that's where we've all been going wrong; if we converted each track in to a 192 Kbps MP3 file and then re-constructed the album. Think you might just have stumbled on something...... |
runner_70 17.10.2019 18:05 |
Day dop wrote: This made me laugh (because it's so fucking pathetic)...You can keep your homophobic remarks to yourself you assholerunner_70 wrote: Nice to have an evening with this amazing voice again. Since QAL I haven't listened to Queen very much because it always upsets me what they are doing now and I don't like Maylor anymore.You protest way too much. You know you're never gonna get to suck Lambert's cock no matter how much you obsess over him, right? |
runner_70 17.10.2019 18:06 |
It sounds patchy and totally flat. Especially IWBTLY's drums now sound like a cheap EDM beat you hear in lame disotheques. Surely not the way Freddie wanted it to sound. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 11:05 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Day dop, re: >It definitely sounds better. How does a pile of shit sound better than a pile of shit? Maybe it's raining where you are and the sound of the water splashing on your bedroom window is - somehow - improving the sound. Perhaps that's where we've all been going wrong; if we converted each track in to a 192 Kbps MP3 file and then re-constructed the album. Think you might just have stumbled on something......You reasoning is no better than Runner_70's. You can tell quite well which version sounds better if you play it back on a decent set up and have a good set of ears. But it seems you either have poor hearing or you're playing it back on a pile of crap. Perhaps both. And "we've all"? Why are you saying "Perhaps that's where we've all been going wrong" when the majority of people regard it as an improvement? |
Day dop 18.10.2019 11:06 |
runner_70 wrote:I don't expect an answer that holds up as logic and reason eludes you... but why do you think it's homophobic to point out that you're never going to suck Lambert's cock no matter how much you obsess over him?Day dop wrote: This made me laugh (because it's so fucking pathetic)...You can keep your homophobic remarks to yourself you assholerunner_70 wrote: Nice to have an evening with this amazing voice again. Since QAL I haven't listened to Queen very much because it always upsets me what they are doing now and I don't like Maylor anymore.u, ou protest way too much. You know you're never gonna get to suck Lambert's cock no matter how much you obsess over him, right? |
Day dop 18.10.2019 11:10 |
runner_70 wrote: It sounds patchy and totally flat. Especially IWBTLY's drums now sound like a cheap EDM beat you hear in lame disotheques. Surely not the way Freddie wanted it to sound.Again, you're still making the same backward claim ad nauseam. No matter how many times you say the drums on the new version sound "flatter", it doesn't make it any more true. What's done is done. Whining about it repeatedly isn't going to change that. |
aristide1 18.10.2019 11:46 |
Day dop wrote:Again, you're still making the same backward claim ad nauseam, that this thread is your sole property.runner_70 wrote: It sounds patchy and totally flat. Especially IWBTLY's drums now sound like a cheap EDM beat you hear in lame disotheques. Surely not the way Freddie wanted it to sound.Again, you're still making the same backward claim ad nauseam. No matter how many times you say the drums on the new version sound "flatter", it doesn't make it any more true. No matter how many times you vigorously reply to various "inconvenient" opinions, it doesn't make it any more true. |
runner_70 18.10.2019 13:05 |
Lol good one |
Star* 18.10.2019 13:57 |
@DayDop Runner70 is not moaning about the album but giving his opinion to which we are all entitled too. You seem pretty adamant that you are right and Runner70 is wrong well i agree with Runner70 the album has been spoilt. "Man Made Paradise" was always my favourite track on the album but the new mix makes the drums vanish into the background. There is also a few more tracks that sound limp too. Any Abba sound mixing guy would have made a better job 100% Abba's production was always more superior to Queen's which is shocking as Queen were a rock band and Abba a pop group. |
cmsdrums 18.10.2019 14:21 |
K770i wrote: Any Abba sound mixing guy would have made a better job 100% Abba's production was always more superior to Queen's which is shocking as Queen were a rock band and Abba a pop group.The same ABBA whose drums sound like cardboard boxes?? Not that I'm in any way agreeing with you that ABBA's production was superior than Queen's (some track-by-track instances might exist but the inclusion of "always" makes that a laughable suggestion), but why shouldn't a pop artist sound better than a rock group? Some of the greatest sounding records in any given era have been 'pop' ones. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 14:44 |
aristide1 wrote:Hi bullshitter,Day dop wrote:Again, you're still making the same backward claim ad nauseam, that this thread is your sole property. No matter how many times you vigorously reply to various "inconvenient" opinions, it doesn't make it any more true.runner_70 wrote: It sounds patchy and totally flat. Especially IWBTLY's drums now sound like a cheap EDM beat you hear in lame disotheques. Surely not the way Freddie wanted it to sound.Again, you're still making the same backward claim ad nauseam. No matter how many times you say the drums on the new version sound "flatter", it doesn't make it any more true. Quote the part where I've ever made any "claim that this thread is [my] sole property." As for your last paragraph, I don't think someone such as yourself who tells lies - such as the one you've just told - is likely to be believed or cheered on by anyone other than an idiot. Speaking of which... |
Day dop 18.10.2019 14:47 |
runner_70 wrote: Lol good oneYes, it's a "lol good one" that aristide1 has just caught himself out in a lie. *Facepalm* Btw, I'm not surprised in the slightest you avoided answering my question: Why do you think it's homophobic to point out that you're never going to suck Lambert's cock no matter how much you obsess over him? |
Day dop 18.10.2019 14:58 |
K770i wrote: @DayDop Runner70 is not moaning about the album but giving his opinion to which we are all entitled too. You seem pretty adamant that you are right and Runner70 is wrong well i agree with Runner70 the album has been spoilt. "Man Made Paradise" was always my favourite track on the album but the new mix makes the drums vanish into the background. There is also a few more tracks that sound limp too. Any Abba sound mixing guy would have made a better job 100% Abba's production was always more superior to Queen's which is shocking as Queen were a rock band and Abba a pop group.I said whining, and runner_70 is whining. If you're unfamiliar with the definition of that word, here it is: "complaining or inclined to complain in a childish or petulant manner" That word descries his behaviour perfectly. I take it you've not heard a first UK pressing of Queen's The Game on vinyl, or a first UK pressing of Queen's The Works on vinyl on a decent set up. If you had, you'd not be coming out with the nonsense you are about Abba's mixing being superior. None of what you said surprises me given that you can't hear that the new version of Mr Bad Guy is a clear improvement. What set up have you got anyway? You mentioned Denon earlier. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 15:04 |
cmsdrums wrote:it is laughable. He's talking absolute shit.K770i wrote: Any Abba sound mixing guy would have made a better job 100% Abba's production was always more superior to Queen's which is shocking as Queen were a rock band and Abba a pop group.The same ABBA whose drums sound like cardboard boxes?? Not that I'm in any way agreeing with you that ABBA's production was superior than Queen's (some track-by-track instances might exist but the inclusion of "always" makes that a laughable suggestion), but why shouldn't a pop artist sound better than a rock group? Some of the greatest sounding records in any given era have been 'pop' ones. |
runner_70 18.10.2019 15:12 |
This daydop guy is the most annoying tool after the AL loonies. It is like "My hamburger restaurant has the best meals on offer" - my gosh |
Day dop 18.10.2019 15:14 |
runner_70 wrote: This daydop guy is the most annoying tool after the AL loonies. It is like "My hamburger restaurant has the best meals on offer" - my goshYour annoyance is your problem. Ask yourself why you're annoyed. The answer that doesn't lay blame on someone else will be the first step towards you dealing with your problem. That way of thinking could also help you deal with your "AL" obsession. |
Star* 18.10.2019 16:38 |
Seems like guys on here like Daydop and Cmsdrums are the ones who need to wise up. Abba always produced clean cut sound on there records, and no muffling like what Freddie has on his new edition of Mr Bad Guy album, Even "Live Killers" had appalling sound and Roger agreed on that one. Probably the best Queen album with decent clear sound is "The Game" album My opinion so do not say i am talking shit because your not god to judge. |
dudeofqueen 18.10.2019 16:55 |
K770i, re: >Abba always produced clean cut sound on there records, and no muffling like what Freddie has on his new edition of Mr Bad Guy album, You do realise Freddie is dead, don't you? He's responsible for nothing other than the lyrics, vocal recording and title on the album re-mix. Did you get a copy of the Queen MIH album signed by him too? Genuine rarity that....... |
Day dop 18.10.2019 18:58 |
K770i wrote: Seems like guys on here like Daydop and Cmsdrums are the ones who need to wise up. Abba always produced clean cut sound on there records, and no muffling like what Freddie has on his new edition of Mr Bad Guy album, Even "Live Killers" had appalling sound and Roger agreed on that one. Probably the best Queen album with decent clear sound is "The Game" album My opinion so do not say i am talking shit because your not god to judge.I'm already wise to the BS you're coming out with, thanks. It's you who needs to "wise up" to that. Cmsdrums is right too. How about addressing his point rather than the cop out answer that those who disagree with you need to "wise up"? The idea that a pop album shouldn't or can't have better sound quality than a rock album is total and utter bollocks. For example, regardless of what music you prefer, the sound quality of Daft Punk's Random Access Memories knocks Led Zeppelin's Physical Graffiti out of the park. Another example (of many) of a rock album with ropy sound quality is Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell. I'm not a Jackson fan but Thriller is a far superior sounding recording. What about all the Lo-fi rock albums that sound like shit compared to well recorded pop albums? And no one needs to be "God" in order to make a correct judgement. For example, it should be "you're" not "your", in the sentence where you said "your not god to judge." Why did you say "Even "Live Killers" had appalling sound and Roger agreed on that one". I'm curious why you've said "Even" there? It seems to me, you're attempting to shoehorn Live Killers in, as you know full well it's widely known that's a thin sounding recording. It makes your argument look good if you've got something right, yes? However, just because that's true, it doesn't mean you're right about the new version of Mr Bad Guy. And really, Abba has nothing to do with this (their recordings are rather average and despite some of their hits being catchy, they're fucking boring IMO). The Game and (first UK pressing of) The Works are great sounding Queen albums (no reissue or CD version of The Works comes close to the first UK pressing). Other Queen albums that have decent enough sound quality are A Day At the Races, News of The World, and the sound quality of Hot Space isn't too bad either. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 19:04 |
It's weird that you cant hear that the sound on Mr Bad Guy is an improvement, when it clearly is, as plenty have mentioned. Which brings me back to the question you didn't answer... What set-up have you got, K770i? You mentioned Denon earlier. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 19:21 |
Just reading some opinions on another forum regarding Mr Bad Guy... Each quote is by a different person... "New mix of "Mr Bad Guy" album is very enjoyable. Acoustic drums now sounds powerful and 'fat'." "The remixes are all out on Spotify and sound glorious. ALL the tracks from the "Mr Bad Guy" album really benefit from this new treatment." "I ordered the stand-alone Mr. Bad Guy and Never Boring discs, but I've been away and not got my hands on them yet. By all accounts the Bad Guy remix has done wonders for the album." "Right?! I am stunned at how the album sounds now and how it gave me a completely new apprcciation for it. Just goes to show how important it is to have a good mix." "Yeah, I finally gave it a listen this morning and even through laptop speakers the improvement was clear." "Had a listen to the new Mr Bad Guy remix on Spotify - sounds very good!!" "I was never blown away by MR. bad guy album. Its a fun pop record. nothing more, nothing less. I finally got around to playing the SE today. have to say it sounded pretty good. more punch & clarity. sure they fudged some stuff along the way, but overall not too bad." "Gave a listen to the remixed Mr. Bad Guy this week, and I really enjoyed it. The album is still never going to be great...I think the surviving members wisely chose the best tracks to turn into Queen songs and the rest...are fun, but not essential. But the new mix is a much better listen than the original, IMO...less reliance on bad drum machine settings and a more full, fleshed-out sound." |
runner_70 18.10.2019 20:34 |
Day dop wrote: Another example (of many) of a rock album with ropy sound quality is Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell. I'm not a Jackson fan but Thriller is a far superior sounding recording. What about all the Lo-fi rock albums that sound like shit compared to well recorded pop albums?BOOH has a ropy sound quality? What drugs are you on? It ewas produced in the 70's and has one of the best productions of this era. It is a legendary record production AND song wise.How could anyone compare it to Thriller? A pop album that came out years later where the recording equipment was totally different and the music is no pomp rock like Meat Loaf? You self called expert on sound are just a sad joke. I mean it. Pathetic really |
runner_70 18.10.2019 20:35 |
Other Queen albums that have decent enough sound quality are A Day At the Races, News of The World, and the sound quality of Hot Space isn't too bad either.NOTW is the worst sounding Queen album after Jazz. They ent for a less pompous sound but the sound quality is very muddy |
Day dop 18.10.2019 20:45 |
runner_70 wrote:You are fucking clueless. News of The World doesn't sound "muddy" whatsoever. Fucking hell, you really have no idea. One could argue that News of the World is a little cold sounding, but "muddy"? No, far from it.Other Queen albums that have decent enough sound quality are A Day At the Races, News of The World, and the sound quality of Hot Space isn't too bad either.NOTW is the worst sounding Queen album after Jazz. They ent for a less pompous sound but the sound quality is very muddy Queen albums with worse sound quality than News of The World (not including live albums). Queen Queen II Sheer Heart Attack A Night At The Opera Jazz A Kind of Magic The Miracle Innuendo Again, that isn't about the music itself. It's about the sound quality, the recording of the album. How clear it is, how punchy it is, how separate the instruments are from one another etc etc etc. Stuff that goes way beyond your tiny brain. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 20:50 |
runner_70 wrote:Yes, Bat out of Hell has ropy sound quality.Day dop wrote: Another example (of many) of a rock album with ropy sound quality is Meat Loaf's Bat Out of Hell. I'm not a Jackson fan but Thriller is a far superior sounding recording. What about all the Lo-fi rock albums that sound like shit compared to well recorded pop albums?BOOH has a ropy sound quality? What drugs are you on? It ewas produced in the 70's and has one of the best productions of this era. It is a legendary record production AND song wise.How could anyone compare it to Thriller? A pop album that came out years later where the recording equipment was totally different and the music is no pomp rock like Meat Loaf? You self called expert on sound are just a sad joke. I mean it. Pathetic really It's no secret that it's widely regarded as such. For example, from this website... Question: "Fellow audiogoners...I have orig domestic and import Lps and Cds of BOOHell and would welcome any input...I have been dissapointed by these...weak bass, flat soundstage,etc...any suggestions?" Reply: "I think, there is none. Tried to find one some time ago, too. I found the information, that the mastering was done so bad, that plans for a reissue were buried. Great Music, inferior recorded. A real pity..." Another reply: "HiFi News did a review (2 years ago I think?} of the Bat Out Of Hell recording and a review of currently available versions (LP and CD, maybe even SACD as well?} and concluded they are all poorly recorded and mastered. Having said that, I am sure there is one version better than the others. I have not heard the HD Tracks version, maybe worth a listen." And another reply... "It's a mess. My understanding is that "BOOH" was a really low budget recording session that Todd Rundgren (a top three all-time rock/pop musician, in my book) financed out of his own pocket after every record label in town passed on it. I'm not certain, but I think that it may have been recorded at Rundgren's Bearsville Studio, the birthplace of many of the worst sounding records in my collection. Rundgren's a hero of mine, but when he screws up the sound of a record, he usually does so royally. Unfortunately, "BOOH" is a good example of that." I'm happy to carry on with this, but you get the general idea (or you probably don't, you're a bit slow). link |
Day dop 18.10.2019 20:55 |
runner_70 wrote: BOOH has a ropy sound quality? What drugs are you on? It ewas produced in the 70's and has one of the best productions of this era. It is a legendary record production AND song wise.How could anyone compare it to Thriller? A pop album that came out years later where the recording equipment was totally different and the music is no pomp rock like Meat Loaf? You self called expert on sound are just a sad joke. I mean it. Pathetic reallyBat Out of Hell came out in 1977. And it's well known that the sound quality on that album is poor. 1977, the same year as Fleetwood Mac's Rumours was released. But unlike Bat Out Of Hell, The sound quality on Rumour's is superb. Dark Side of The Moon came out in 1973. FOUR YEARS EARLIER THAN BAT OUT OF HELL. And Dark Side of the Moon is regarded as one of the best rock recordings quality-wise out there. Like I said, the idea that a pop recording can't or shouldn't be as good as a rock recording is absolute nonsense. Thriller is a much better recording than Bat out of Hell (again, it's not about the music, I don't even like Jackson's music. It's about sound quality). Again, Dark Side of the Moon was released in 1973, and that is a WAY better recording than Bat Out of Hell. So come again about Thriller? Do you see how fucking STUPID you're being yet again? How your brain-farts don't hold up under scrutiny? No, of course you don't. You never do. It's as though you are incapable of differentiating between the music itself and the sound quality. Why am I not surprised? . Despite yet another bullshit claim from you, that "You self called expert", at no point have I called myself an "expert". That said, I'm clearly more clued up than a complete idiot such as yourself. But it'd be difficult for anyone to be as bad (although you do have some competition here from the likes of aristide1). I'm not surprised you think that Bat Out Of Hell has great sound quality, given that you've been clueless about everything else so far. An uneducated thick as shit clown such as yourself with an ongoing unhealthy obsession over Adam Lambert is not in a good position to call anyone else "pathetic". You are a prime example of the very word. |
runner_70 18.10.2019 21:25 |
Day dop wrote:You rally say Queen 1 sounds like Innuendo? You are a troll of the highest order - better to ognore you from now on as it is getting beyond patheticrunner_70 wrote:You are fucking clueless. News of The World doesn't sound "muddy" whatsoever. Fucking hell, you really have no idea. One could argue that News of the World is a little cold sounding, but "muddy"? No, far from it. Queen albums with sound quality than News of The World (not including live albums). Queen Queen II Sheer Heart Attack A Night At The Opera Jazz A Kind of Magic The Miracle Innuendo Again, that isn't about the music itself. It's about the sound quality, the recording of the album. How clear it is, how punchy it is, how separate the instruments are from one another etc etc etc. Stuff that goes way beyond your tiny brain.Other Queen albums that have decent enough sound quality are A Day At the Races, News of The World, and the sound quality of Hot Space isn't too bad either.NOTW is the worst sounding Queen album after Jazz. They ent for a less pompous sound but the sound quality is very muddy |
runner_70 18.10.2019 21:27 |
Day dop wrote:You are just a sad shit stirring wankhole who compares Pink Floyd with Michael Jackson. I guess you own neither one record of both artists you sad dickrunner_70 wrote: BOOH has a ropy sound quality? What drugs are you on? It ewas produced in the 70's and has one of the best productions of this era. It is a legendary record production AND song wise.How could anyone compare it to Thriller? A pop album that came out years later where the recording equipment was totally different and the music is no pomp rock like Meat Loaf? You self called expert on sound are just a sad joke. I mean it. Pathetic reallyBat Out of Hell came out in 1977. And it's well known that the sound quality on that album is poor. 1977, the same year as Fleetwood Mac's Rumours was released. But unlike Bat Out Of Hell, The sound quality on Rumour's is superb. Dark Side of The Moon came out in 1973. FOUR YEARS EARLIER THAN BAT OUT OF HELL. And Dark Side of the Moon is regarded as one of the best rock recordings quality-wise out there. Like I said, the idea that a pop recording can't or shouldn't be as good as a rock recording is absolute nonsense. Thriller is a much better recording than Bat out of Hell (again, it's not about the music, I don't even like Jackson's music. It's about sound quality). Again, Dark Side of the Moon was released in 1973, and that is a WAY better recording than Bat Out of Hell. So come again about Thriller? Do you see how fucking STUPID you're being yet again? How your brain-farts don't hold up under scrutiny? No, of course you don't. You never do. It's as though you are incapable of differentiating the music itself and the sound quality. Why am I not surprised? . Despite yet another bullshit claim from you, that " You self called expert", at no point have I called myself an "expert". That said, I'm clearly more clued up than a complete idiot such as yourself. But it'd be difficult for anyone to be as bad (although you do have some competition here from the likes of aristide1). I'm not surprised you think that Bat Out Of Hell has great sound quality, given that you've been clueless about everything else so far. An uneducated thick as shit clown such as yourself with an ongoing unhealthy obsession over Adam Lambert is not in a good position to call anyone else "pathetic". You are a prime example of the very word. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 21:28 |
runner_70 wrote:No, extremely thick person, I did not say that "Queen 1 sounds like Innuendo".Day dop wrote:You rally say Queen 1 sounds like Innuendo? You are a troll of the highest order - better to ognore you from now on as it is getting beyond patheticrunner_70 wrote:You are fucking clueless. News of The World doesn't sound "muddy" whatsoever. Fucking hell, you really have no idea. One could argue that News of the World is a little cold sounding, but "muddy"? No, far from it. Queen albums with sound quality than News of The World (not including live albums). Queen Queen II Sheer Heart Attack A Night At The Opera Jazz A Kind of Magic The Miracle Innuendo Again, that isn't about the music itself. It's about the sound quality, the recording of the album. How clear it is, how punchy it is, how separate the instruments are from one another etc etc etc. Stuff that goes way beyond your tiny brain.Other Queen albums that have decent enough sound quality are A Day At the Races, News of The World, and the sound quality of Hot Space isn't too bad either.NOTW is the worst sounding Queen album after Jazz. They ent for a less pompous sound but the sound quality is very muddy I listed some Queen albums that have poorer sound quality than News of The World. Do you understand the difference? No? You probably don't. You of all people calling anyone else a "troll" is ironic. You calling anyone else "beyond pathetic" is also ironic. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 21:35 |
runner_70 wrote: You are just a sad shit stirring wankhole who compares Pink Floyd with Michael Jackson. I guess you own neither one record of both artists you sad dickIncorrect yet again. I made no comparison between Pink Floyd and Michael Jackson. I also pointed out that Thriller - a pop album - has superior sound quality to Bat Out of Hell. Then after your brain fart of claiming it was because Thriller was released later, I pointed out that Dark Side of the Moon - an album released FOUR YEARS earlier than Bat Out Of Hell - also has far superior sound quality than Bat Out Of Hell. Derp! And no, I don't own Thriller anymore. I used to, hence I know the sound quality on that album is very good. But I don't like it and would rather not have it in my collection these days. However, you wouldn't have to look far to see what people think of the recording... "Thriller’s cultural and commercial significance is well documented, but Michael Jackson’s masterpiece is also one of the best-recorded and most immaculately produced albums of the 1980s." link As for Dark Side of the Moon, I own a few versions of it. The 30th Anniversary edition on vinyl, and the SACD. I also own the 2011 reissue.
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runner_70 18.10.2019 21:44 |
Day dop wrote:Stop using your wikipedia knowledge you copy and paste. You are already a laughing stock no need to prove it anymore dickheadrunner_70 wrote: You are just a sad shit stirring wankhole who compares Pink Floyd with Michael Jackson. I guess you own neither one record of both artists you sad dickIncorrect yet again. I made no comparison between Pink Floyd and Michael Jackson. I also pointed out that Thriller - a pop album - has superior sound quality to Bat Out of Hell. Then after your brain fart of claiming it was because Thriller was released later, I pointed out that Dark Side of the Moon - an album released FOUR YEARS earlier than Bat Out Of Hell - also has far superior sound quality than Bat Out Of Hell. Derp! And no, I don't own Thriller anymore. I used to, hence I know the sound quality on that album is very good. But you wouldn't have to look far to see what people think of the recording... "Thriller’s cultural and commercial significance is well documented, but Michael Jackson’s masterpiece is also one of the best-recorded and most immaculately produced albums of the 1980s." link As for Dark Side of the Moon, I own a few versions of it. The 30th Anniversary edition on vinyl, and the SACD. I also own the 2011 reissue. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 21:48 |
runner_70 wrote: Stop using your wikipedia knowledge you copy and paste. You are already a laughing stock no need to prove it anymore dickheadIncorrect yet again. Find the part I quoted from Wikipedia. Of course you can't. You just spew horseshit. Here's an idea... Why not spend the next few years obsessing over Lambert and harassing his fans online? Your life has been that pointless and meaningless for the last few years, so I'm sure it'll be that pointless and meaningless for the next few years too, if not for the rest of your miserable life. I would say you're a laughing stock, but that'd be like laughing at a train wreck. |
runner_70 18.10.2019 22:18 |
Day dop wrote:Those 3 loones harass themselves. It is more fun watching a troll being a luaghing stock like yourself. "Innuendo" has a worse sould quality than NOTW lol - funny shitrunner_70 wrote: Stop using your wikipedia knowledge you copy and paste. You are already a laughing stock no need to prove it anymore dickheadIncorrect yet again. Find the part I quoted from Wikipedia. Of course you can't. You just spew horseshit. Here's an idea... Why not spend the next few years obsessing over Lambert and harassing his fans online? Your life has been that pointless and meaningless for the last few years, so I'm sure it'll be that pointless and meaningless for the next few years too, if not for the rest of your miserable life. I would say you're a laughing stock, but that'd be like laughing at a train wreck. |
Day dop 18.10.2019 22:20 |
runner_70 wrote: Those 3 loones harass themselves.I think you're not very well. runner_70 wrote: It is more fun watching a troll being a luaghing stock like yourself.You're not having fun. No more than you have fun obsessing over Lambert of harassing Lambert fans. The truth is very clear: You're deeply unhappy. runner_70 wrote: "Innuendo" has a worse sould quality than NOTW lol - funny shitNo, there's nothing funny about Innuendo having poorer sound quality than News of The World. |
runner_70 18.10.2019 22:28 |
Because it hasn't you stupid dick. Anyone with common sense would say this. But live in your dream bubble - byebye |
Day dop 18.10.2019 22:35 |
runner_70 wrote: Because it hasn't you stupid dick. Anyone with common sense would say this. But live in your dream bubble - byebyeWrong. News of the World is a much sharper, punchier sounding album than Innuendo. You are not in a good position to bring up "common sense" being as you've repeatedly demonstrated you completely lack any sense whatsoever. I would say "Get well soon", but that's just not going to happen. You'll be back. |
Star* 19.10.2019 08:15 |
DayDop : You really do not like other peoples opinion on here do you? You have to attack others to justify your previous reply, tut tut., What does it matter what hi-fi system i have it will not make the new mix of Mr Bad Guy any better and it will still sound flat and going back to Abba's production and mixing, yes there albums always sounded glossier compared to Queen's albums, i was not comparing Queen with Abba over music content i was merely comparing the sound quality as a whole. You may think Abba were boring but they were the best pop band in the 70s by miles. Queen are a rock n roll band and represent the very best of there category ! I think you protest too much because you want to believe you are right and we are all wrong. This topic would probably be a 50 / 50 split based on opinions. Personally Justin Shirley Smith has butchered Freddie's brilliant Mr Bad Guy album, and should hang his head in shame. Never make me boring, Freddie says, well they just have Fred ! |
Day dop 19.10.2019 09:19 |
K770i wrote: DayDop : You really do not like other peoples opinion on here do you?I have no issue with someone else having an opinion I disagree with. However, some, such as yourself take issue with your opinion being challenged or shown to be outright wrong. . K770i wrote: You have to attack others to justify your previous reply, tut tut.,Nope. I don't "have" to attack others to justify anything whatsoever. My arguments hold up perfectly well on their own, without attacking. You seem to be completely and utterly blind to your hypocrisy here. If I take issue with an argument, I'll attack the argument. Unless we're dealing with a clown who repeatedly attacks me, then it's fair game, regardless. K770i wrote: What does it matter what hi-fi system i have it will not make the new mix of Mr Bad Guy any better and it will still sound flatWhy so defensive? The new version doesn't sound flat whatsoever. If you had a decent set up you'd be able to hear that (unless you have hearing problems). That's the difference. So... what set up have you got? You mentioned Denon earlier. K770i wrote: and going back to Abba's production and mixing, yes there albums always sounded glossier compared to Queen's albums, i was not comparing Queen with Abba over music content i was merely comparing the sound quality as a whole.Abba's sound quality isn't better than Queen albums such as The Game and The Works. I never said you had compared the music. I don't give a shit about Abba. K770i wrote: You may think Abba were boring but they were the best pop band in the 70s by miles.Change "best" for "tackiest" and I might be in agreement with you. I still don't give a shit about Abba. K770i wrote: Queen are a rock n roll band and represent the very best of there category !*their K770i wrote: I think you protest too much because you want to believe you are right and we are all wrong.That's rich, coming from someone who doesn't like the new mix yet is still on the thread about it. It's not a case of "wanting" to believe I am right. I am right. And, "we are all wrong"? Are you aware that most people have said that the new version of Mr Bad Guy is an improvement (or similar words). K770i wrote: This topic would probably be a 50 / 50 split based on opinions.50/50? Seriously? It's ironic that you'd previously said, "I think you protest too much because you want to believe you are right and we are all wrong" Here's the numbers (I've left out those who don't seem to have a strong opinion either way). Positive opinions. Day Dop Jondickens1 cmi paulosham Apocalipsis_Darko Makka inu-liger Agr123456 Sam99 MercurialFreddie ianlasseter TRS-Romania k-m MackMantilla snelly1 pma Jake12 Viper Vali FlorianS (Then on top of that, there's the eight quotes from different people I read on the SH forum) Negative opinions. Runner_70 SweetCarolina (I'm not sure even if she knew what album was being reviewed, as she mentioned Never Boring and Barcelona). Daburcor? K770i princetom montanasz dudeofqueen Come again with 50/50 spit? K770i wrote: Personally Justin Shirley Smith has butchered Freddie's brilliant Mr Bad Guy album, and should hang his head in shame. Never make me boring, Freddie says, well they just have Fred !Such hyperbole! It's almost like you and Runner_70 are the same person coming out with nonsense such as that. If it was "butchered", then it wouldn't be an improvement over the original, with clearer, punchier sound, but it is. |
Day dop 19.10.2019 09:19 |
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dysan 19.10.2019 09:34 |
As you correctly point out I don't have strong feelings either way so I feel I can assume the role of thread referee and point out that a couple of pages back you shared this link: link |
Day dop 19.10.2019 09:38 |
dysan wrote: As you correctly point out I don't have strong feelings either way so I feel I can assume the role of thread referee and point out that a couple of pages back you shared this link: linkI'm aware of what I posted. The fallacy doesn't apply when merely disputing numbers. Pointing out the numbers was a response to "we all", or the "50/50 split" argument, which is clearly false. |
dysan 19.10.2019 12:21 |
Aye agreed. |
Star* 19.10.2019 14:16 |
DayDop Its taken 12 pages or dispute on this topic and yet you are still screaming from the rooftops about how punchier you think Mr Bad Guy is to the original. Well that is your opinion, but its taken 12 pages of your drivel and you keep repeating again and again........ yawn yawn......... Sorry if you think Abba are boring but Freddie loved them. |
Day dop 19.10.2019 14:58 |
K770i wrote: DayDop Its taken 12 pages or dispute on this topic and yet you are still screaming from the rooftops about how punchier you think Mr Bad Guy is to the original.It's taken 12 pages of calling out bullshit, and you're still whining and saying nothing of substance. I'm not surprised you view my replies calling out your bullshit so articulately as "screaming from the rooftops", being as they'd be louder than you'd like them to be - in the sense that anyone and everyone can read them. It's not a case of "I think" it sounds punchier than the original. It's a case of I know it sounds punchier. And I'm saying that again as I am responding to your BS, in case the reason I've said once again eludes you. K770i wrote: Well that is your opinion, but its taken 12 pages of your drivel and you keep repeating again and again........ yawn yawn......... Sorry if you think Abba are boring but Freddie loved them.That was a response to the nonsense you came out with that the album had been "butchered", as have my previous replies been answers to similar ridiculous hyperbolic crap. And as for "yawn yawn", your tiredness might explain your ill thought out opinions. What was it, according to you? Probably a "50/50 split"? Well, no. And you don't take it well when your bullshit is repeatedly called out, do you? I still don't give a fuck about Abba. Deal with it. |
Day dop 19.10.2019 14:58 |
K770i wrote: drivel .Btw, what set up have you got? You still haven't mentioned anything other than Denon. |
runner_70 19.10.2019 15:02 |
K770i wrote: DayDop Its taken 12 pages or dispute on this topic and yet you are still screaming from the rooftops about how punchier you think Mr Bad Guy is to the original. Well that is your opinion, but its taken 12 pages of your drivel and you keep repeating again and again........ yawn yawn......... Sorry if you think Abba are boring but Freddie loved them.It is better to ignore that prick. Which is what I will do from now on. You should as well. AS soon as he has no stage for his drivel anymore he will use mommy's internet in his basement flat for other purposes than to troll on QZ |
Day dop 19.10.2019 15:05 |
runner_70 wrote: It is better to ignore that prick. Which is what I will do from now on. You should as wellHello, Lambert obsessive. I said you'd be back. I was, of course, right. You'll be back again too. And no, it's not better to ignore repeatedly being proved wrong. Instead, take it on board. Learn from your mistakes. If someone doesn't learn, they end up like you; Pretty much constantly wrong. runner_70 wrote: AS soon as he has no stage for his drovel anymore he will use mommy's internet in his basement flat for other purposes than to troll onOnce again, unsurprisingly, the irony eludes you. |
Day dop 19.10.2019 15:10 |
Are the Runner_70 and K770i accounts the same person? I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever. |
matt z 21.10.2019 15:09 |
Well, ... You can dance. You can jive, having the time of your life. Derailed thread. I haven't heard the entire album. The way I'm spending my money these days? I maY not hear it in the next 3 years |
Star* 21.10.2019 16:58 |
Daydop You are still here harassing everyone that disagrees with your ridiculous assumptions of the badly mixed FM album. Give it rest and move on dude. Justin Shirley Smith is bad sound mixer and i hope other artists do not have the unfortunate bad luck of working with him. |
runner_70 21.10.2019 21:03 |
K770i wrote: Personally Justin Shirley Smith has butchered Freddie's brilliant Mr Bad Guy album, and should hang his head in shame. Never make me boring, Freddie says, well they just have Fred !Nothing left to say really. I listened to it once and doubt I will again |
runner_70 21.10.2019 21:05 |
K770i wrote: DayDop Its taken 12 pages or dispute on this topic and yet you are still screaming from the rooftops about how punchier you think Mr Bad Guy is to the original. Well that is your opinion, but its taken 12 pages of your drivel and you keep repeating again and again........ yawn yawn......... Sorry if you think Abba are boring but Freddie loved them.I think you should give it up. He is an annoying asshole desperately seeking attention. Case closed |
Dr Magus 22.10.2019 10:25 |
I'm looking forward to hearing Mr Bad Guy again. |
runner_70 22.10.2019 11:17 |
Dr Magus wrote: I'm looking forward to hearing Mr Bad Guy again.Listen to the original. It has more power and sounds fresher than this flat product just released |
Day dop 22.10.2019 14:05 |
Dr Magus wrote: I'm looking forward to hearing Mr Bad Guy again.Ignore the troll, above. He's as clueless as ever. The original sounds flat compared to the new version. |
richrich 22.10.2019 14:40 |
Please imagine a man - a chronically disabled and downsyndromed man - hilariously plummeting down a concrete staircase in his rickety wheelchair; his dented, disabled head thrashing side to side as he groans "UHHHH NUUUUR!" |
aristide1 22.10.2019 15:24 |
richrich wrote: Please imagine a man - a chronically disabled and downsyndromed man - hilariously plummeting down a concrete staircase in his rickety wheelchair; his dented, disabled head thrashing side to side as he groans "UHHHH NUUUUR!"Maybe you should sacrifice your superb literary imagery for the sake of clarity, because most of us are assuming you are talking about Day dop. "RUNN ERR!" |
dysan 22.10.2019 15:25 |
And there was me thinking that class had left this place. |
Day dop 22.10.2019 16:22 |
aristide1 wrote:Despite this tactic of yours being pointed out previously, aristide1, you're once again pretending you speak on behalf of everyone else.richrich wrote: Please imagine a man - a chronically disabled and downsyndromed man - hilariously plummeting down a concrete staircase in his rickety wheelchair; his dented, disabled head thrashing side to side as he groans "UHHHH NUUUUR!"Maybe you should sacrifice your superb literary imagery for the sake of clarity, because most of us are assuming you are talking about Day dop. "RUNN ERR!" You don't. Your assumption is nothing more than a brain fart. In fact, when it comes to opinion on the new mix, your'e in the minority here. On that basis alone, I'd say the odds of you being right there are zilch. Perhaps you already know that, and you're outright trolling, which is the kind of unhealthy behaviour regularly displayed by Runner_70. Either way, it doesn't look good for you. |
runner_70 22.10.2019 16:59 |
aristide1 wrote:he surely doesrichrich wrote: Please imagine a man - a chronically disabled and downsyndromed man - hilariously plummeting down a concrete staircase in his rickety wheelchair; his dented, disabled head thrashing side to side as he groans "UHHHH NUUUUR!"Maybe you should sacrifice your superb literary imagery for the sake of clarity, because most of us are assuming you are talking about Day dop. "RUNN ERR!" |
Day dop 22.10.2019 17:08 |
runner_70 wrote:I can see that English is not your forte, but "he surely does" what?aristide1 wrote:he surely doesrichrich wrote: Please imagine a man - a chronically disabled and downsyndromed man - hilariously plummeting down a concrete staircase in his rickety wheelchair; his dented, disabled head thrashing side to side as he groans "UHHHH NUUUUR!"Maybe you should sacrifice your superb literary imagery for the sake of clarity, because most of us are assuming you are talking about Day dop. "RUNN ERR!" "He surely does"... "sacrifice your superb literary imagery for the sake of clarity"? "He surely does"... "[assume] you are talking about Day dop"? "He surely does" makes no sense whatsoever in regards to the comment you replied to. |
runner_70 22.10.2019 17:13 |
What's funny is the fact that this looney opened a thread and said that I spent too much time on QZ. You write sth on here and 5 seconds later there is another drivel posting from this clown. Funny stuff actually. He surely has a lot of time in between listening to his flat MBG remix cd on heavy rotation |
Day dop 22.10.2019 17:16 |
runner_70 wrote: What's funny is the fact that this looney opened a thread and said that I spent too much time on QZ. You write sth on here and 5 seconds later there is another drivel posting from this clown. Funny stuff actually. He surely has a lot time in between listening to his flat MBG remix cd on heavy rotationSomehow it's eluded you that unlike you, I have not spent day after day on here, year after year. So your comparison is as ridiculous as every else you come out with. |
aristide1 22.10.2019 17:28 |
Day dop wrote:Speaking of "regularly displayed unhealthy behaviour", the obsession for yourself made you blind to the fact that I like the new mix.aristide1 wrote:Despite this tactic of yours being pointed out previously, aristide1, you're once again pretending you speak on behalf of everyone else. You don't. Your assumption is nothing more than a brain fart. In fact, when it comes to opinion on the new mix, your'e in the minority here. On that basis alone, I'd say the odds of you being right there are zilch. Perhaps you already know that, and you're outright trolling, which is the kind of unhealthy behaviour regularly displayed by Runner_70. Either way, it doesn't look good for you.richrich wrote: Please imagine a man - a chronically disabled and downsyndromed man - hilariously plummeting down a concrete staircase in his rickety wheelchair; his dented, disabled head thrashing side to side as he groans "UHHHH NUUUUR!"Maybe you should sacrifice your superb literary imagery for the sake of clarity, because most of us are assuming you are talking about Day dop. "RUNN ERR!" I just don't like you, so I'm in the majority on both aspects. It's the 10th time you use the word "tactic", a sign that you're totally fucked up when it comes to deal with others. |
Day dop 22.10.2019 17:54 |
aristide1 wrote: Speaking of "regularly displayed unhealthy behaviour", the obsession for yourself made you blind to the fact that I like the new mix. I just don't like you, so I'm in the majority on both aspects. It's the 10th time you use the word "tactic", a sign that you're totally fucked up when it comes to deal with others.Ffs. If you were self aware, you'd be embarrassed. I'm not blind to your opinion on the new mix whatsoever. Unless you think my view that you haven't showed strong feelings either way is "blind". But if that's the case, I'd say that you're stretching it (which isn't unusual for you, going on what I've seen so far). i wrote, "In fact, when it comes to opinion on the new mix, you're in the minority here", but perhaps should've made it clearer to you by adding "... If you believe people dislike me over that." (look again at what I was refuting). Bear in mind also that I wrote, "when it comes to opinion on the new mix", and not "when it comes to *YOUR* opinion on the new mix". Regarding your bratty "I just don't like you" comment... You don't know me. All you know is what I've written here. In fact, regarding any arguments I've made that have upset you to the degree that it's personal for you, why not go buy yourself some tissues? Because your issues are not my problem. And no, pointing out your tactic (the tactic in which you misrepresent what "we" or "the majority" think in order to appear you're on the right side of an argument) is not a "a sign that [I'm] totally fucked up when it comes to deal with others" whatsoever. I'm calling it exactly what it is. A tactic. Get counting. I'm going to be using the word "tactic" plenty more times when addressing your behaviour. And you not liking me does not equate to you being in the majority about that whatsoever. Of all the people I listed, name the ones that expressed their dislike towards me. I look forward to you doing that. Once you've done so, then we'll go over how many people commented, and how many expressed an opinion about me (including the "Well said" and "Amen" comments). And then I'll show you dictionary definition of the word "minority", so you'll come to understand that it doesn't mean the same thing as "majority". Once again, that tactic of yours is very transparent and clearly not working. inconvenient for you, I know. And regarding this general tactic of yours, after I'd picked up on it previously, you wrote... "It was clear for "me" not for "us", because I can speak only for myself, you're right on this aspect." And yet here you are once again, using similar tactics. So why are you doing it again? Are you really that slow to think by this point that it'd going to go unnoticed? I suspect it's a tactic you've used all your life, but get the following into you thick skull... 1) You do not speak on behalf of everyone else. 2) Pretending that everyone shares the same view as you is a tactic that hasn't worked, nor is it going to work. You do understand that replying to troll-like / idiot comments doesn't equate to an "obsession", right? The obsessive behaviour I was talking about was Runner_70's, regarding Lambert and his fans, day after day, year after year. Hence I wrote, "Perhaps you already know that, and you're outright trolling, which is the kind of unhealthy behaviour regularly displayed by Runner_70." It'd be nice if you stopped derailing this thread with your personal issues, at some point. Preferably, the sooner rather than later :-) |
runner_70 22.10.2019 19:10 |
Someone has too much time on his hands. I did not even read this drivel |
Day dop 22.10.2019 19:16 |
runner_70 wrote: Someone has too much time on his hands. I did not even read this drivelThat's rich, coming from someone who spends almost every day on this forum, year after year, obsessing over Lambert and his fans. As usual, the irony eludes you. |
Star* 23.10.2019 17:06 |
DayDop @ 13 pages on and you are still arguing with everyone on here so it seems you are the one who has the problem and not us! Go and lie down a do some breathing exercises then if you cannot sleep put Adam Lambert new single on and i guarantee you will be in a deep sleep with in 10 seconds! |
Day dop 24.10.2019 20:39 |
K770i wrote: DayDop @ 13 pages on and you are still arguing with everyone on here so it seems you are the one who has the problem and not us!"everyone"? Incorrect... as... per... usual. I see you're using aristide1's failed tactics there. How can I be arguing with "everyone" when the majority of people are in agreement with me that the new version of Mr Bad Guy is better than the original? You seem to be confusing the tiny minority of idiots you're included in with "everyone". K770i wrote: Go and lie down a do some breathing exercises then if you cannot sleep put Adam Lambert new single on and i guarantee you will be in a deep sleep with in 10 seconds!Do you fall asleep just because you dislike an artists material? Weird. You might want to go to the doctor about that (I don't rate Lambert btw). Oh but wait... unsurprisingly, you're just talking nonsense... yet again! |
Star* 26.10.2019 10:32 |
@DayDop Calm down ok we get it you prefer the new drivel version of Mr Bad Guy but ranting over 13 pages of this thread is a bit too much. You sound like a very aggressive bully to me. Watch Adam "Nellie" Lambert on Strictly BBC1 tomorrow and cheer yourself up with a good laugh as this berk pretends to be a star ha ha ha ha ! |
Day dop 26.10.2019 13:18 |
K770i wrote: @DayDop Calm downI'm perfectly calm, but thanks for your faux concern. K770i wrote: we get it you prefer the new drivel version of Mr Bad Guy but ranting over 13 pages of this thread is a bit too much.And "we"? You've not learned anything, have you? And "ranting"? You seem to be lacking self awareness. Going by your comment, it's as though you (along with the other slow learner) haven't contributed towards those 13 pages where you've repeatedly had your bullshit called out by me. So you have an inability to take in information and you're lacking self awareness. Impressive! K770i wrote: You sound like a very aggressive bully to me.So by your wonky reasoning, because I disagree with you, you have to go for personal attacks...and when I respond to your personal attacks, you regard that as bullying. That'd be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. No one with any sense would fall for you playing the victim here. K770i wrote:Watch Adam "Nellie" Lambert on Strictly BBC1 tomorrow and cheer yourself up with a good laugh as this berk pretends to be a star ha ha ha ha !You seem a tad obsessed with Lambert. What's that all about? Did you miss the part where I said I don't rate Lambert on my last comment, Runner_70?... I mean, K770i? See what I mean? That's yet another example of you demonstrating an inability to take in information. I'm sure you'll be back to further soil this thread with your bullshit... |
richrich 26.10.2019 16:20 |
@Day Dop: I can easily imagine you sitting alone at a table in a pub; wearing a plastic set of fake tits whilst smirking at people. |
Star* 26.10.2019 16:37 |
Ha ha exactly DayDop is a sad cunt who needs to get out more. |
Day dop 26.10.2019 16:42 |
You have no arguments that hold up, hence you repeatedly go for personal attacks. |
Day dop 26.10.2019 16:43 |
richrich wrote: @Day Dop: I can easily imagine you sitting alone at a table in a pub; wearing a plastic set of fake tits whilst smirking at people.Why are you using that account instead of your Runner_70 account? I'd say it's because the vast majority of people here consider the new mix to be an improvement, and that because none of your arguments held up whatsoever you're now pretending there's one extra person in agreement with you by using yet another one of your fake accounts for personal attacks. That's a little pathetic of you, isn't it? |
Day dop 26.10.2019 16:55 |
K770i wrote: Ha ha exactly DayDop is a sad cunt who needs to get out more.Incorrect. Do you think that the vast majority of people on the internet still use desktops at home? You're aware it's not the 90s anymore, right? Just because you're at home whenever you're on this forum, that doesn't mean everyone else is. How about not acting like - as you would call it - a "sad cunt" who repeatedly goes for personal attacks, and instead, try staying on topic? Or if you're unable to do that, why not give it up? Because, clearly, you're not getting anywhere by repeatedly having your bullshit and shitty behaviour called out. |
richrich 26.10.2019 19:22 |
For the record, I am Day Dop and this is my second account. |
Star* 27.10.2019 17:39 |
DayDop You have winged for nearly 14 pages now what does that tell you about yourself then? Your like Trump you never give up do you! |
Saint Jiub 27.10.2019 23:46 |
K770i wrote: DayDop You have winged for nearly 14 pages now what does that tell you about yourself then? Your like Trump you never give up do you!Gerry wins the trifecta ... He simultaneously achieves preschool punctuation, spelling and grammar. |
Day dop 28.10.2019 01:04 |
K770i wrote: DayDop You have winged for nearly 14 pages now what does that tell you about yourself then?"winged"? You mean, I have repeatedly called out your bullshit, Runner_70. K770i wrote: Your like Trump you never give up do you!That's ironic, considering you keep coming back for more, and on different accounts. Btw, that should be "You're", not "Your", you uneducated dunce. Your grammar is almost as shitty as your reasoning. At some point, you will quit whining on this thread. |
Star* 28.10.2019 11:11 |
DayDop Now what sort of name is that? Makes you sound simple but maybe you just are dude! |
Day dop 28.10.2019 13:50 |
K770i wrote: DayDop Now what sort of name is that? Makes you sound simple but maybe you just are dude!Why don't you stick to using your Runner_70 account? Using multiple accounts doesn't make your argument any stronger or your personal attacks any more impressive. Your poor reasoning and / or lack of education (including poor spelling / grammar) is evident no matter which account you use. |
aristide1 28.10.2019 14:15 |
"We must fight until only one remains. There can be only one." |
runner_70 29.10.2019 22:54 |
richrich wrote: @Day Dop: I can easily imagine you sitting alone at a table in a pub; wearing a plastic set of fake tits whilst smirking at people.You are runner_70 right? |
Day dop 29.10.2019 23:23 |
runner_70 wrote:You are an uneducated dunce, right? (yes).richrich wrote: @Day Dop: I can easily imagine you sitting alone at a table in a pub; wearing a plastic set of fake tits whilst smirking at people.You are runner_70 right? |