| Deakys Mushroom Trip 15.09.2019 14:52 |
link Just uploaded last week. Looks like brand new interview with Brian and Roger talking about his last performance too. |
| runner_70 15.09.2019 15:13 |
And as usual they bash him. I really wonder what caused the friction between them. I hope Deacy comes out one day for an interview |
| Deakys Mushroom Trip 15.09.2019 15:15 |
Money. Always is. |
| Toozeup 15.09.2019 16:26 |
I never got the sense they were bashing him. |
| matt z 15.09.2019 16:37 |
Deakys Mushroom Trip wrote: link Just uploaded last week. Looks like brand new interview with Brian and Roger talking about his last performance too. |
| emrabt 15.09.2019 17:00 |
He'd totally had enough of it all. What happened to set that off we will never know. |
| dysan 15.09.2019 17:05 |
Nice little clip that. The performance with visuals makes sense of the Elton version. Essentially 4 guys (ok, 5) playing the song in a room for their pal. Also, the Beautiful Day part - as I thought in 1995 I wonder why they couldn't have made that just the intro to a whole new song rocking a la Rock It instead of just noodling until the end. Because if the album started like that I might have listened to it more than once. |
| dysan 15.09.2019 17:06 |
Like a 'holy shit they've done it!' vibe rather than hmmm. |
| kosimodo 15.09.2019 18:20 |
Brian: he never played with us again; in public..... |
| dysan 15.09.2019 18:31 |
Yeah I noticed that too. |
| Day dop 15.09.2019 19:37 |
That was January 1997. They recorded No One But You in October 1997. |
| MisterCosmicc 15.09.2019 19:39 |
“... in public” ... because ‘No One But You’ was recorded 9 months later that year in October. |
| MisterCosmicc 15.09.2019 19:39 |
“That was January 1997. They recorded No One But You in October 1997.” You’re too fast for me! |
| runner_70 15.09.2019 20:51 |
TSMGO is pretty good. Good job by ELton. Saw this live in 1992 with Brian in Nuremberg when he was supporting EJ |
| Ale Solan 15.09.2019 20:56 |
Day dop wrote: That was January 1997. They recorded No One But You in October 1997.Last John's appearance on the studio was in 1999 supervising Under Pressure's Rah Mix |
| stevelondon20 15.09.2019 21:47 |
Really? |
| FMBMJDRT 15.09.2019 22:05 |
Do you think that it is possible JD could suffer from PTSD or Bipolar disorder? Just thinking of his manic spending on lap dancer, plus some of his documented behaviour in the 1980s.... |
| Day dop 15.09.2019 22:13 |
Ale Solan wrote:My comment was regarding the last known time they played together.Day dop wrote: That was January 1997. They recorded No One But You in October 1997.Last John's appearance on the studio was in 1999 supervising Under Pressure's Rah Mix |
| The Real Wizard 15.09.2019 22:38 |
runner_70 wrote: And as usual they bash him.Telling the truth isn't "bashing" him. You are cold and empty inside if you can't see the sadness in Brian's eyes while he talks about this. Deacon has only spoken to them through lawyers these last 20 years while still accepting royalty cheques from their hard work to keep the music alive, and they are still this nice to him. Watch The Eagles documentary if you want to see what bashing looks like. Brian and Roger are gentlemen. Did you know that every time they go on the road, they still invite him to be in the band? Of course you didn't. Because you're too busy spending hours a day being an internet troll, looking for places to defame three people you've never met. Your drivel is all over YouTube videos too. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so full of hate. Pot calling the kettle black about bashing people. Get a life. |
| Chrisallstar 16.09.2019 00:57 |
I agree they’re not bashing him at all. It just seems that John couldn’t cope with everything. I think I read an interview with him after Queen took a long break between albums in the 80s where he said he got quite depressed doing nothing. Don’t forget that in 1998 Brian and Roger were each working on their fairly mediocre solo albums and respective tours. Perhaps depression hit him again and he went on a downward spiral to the extent that h withdrew completely? When Queen did come back together in the late 90s it was only to collaborate with Robbie Williams and Five and maybe John just thought that was pointless. This is just me speculating obviously and perhaps we’ll never know the true reason - but even if John has fallen out with Brian and Roger it doesn’t explain him never giving interviews or being seen regularly in public, he doesn’t even contribute to Queen documentaries or even write a letter to the fan club. So I think there are issues that run a lot deeper than a falling out. Ultimately now it’s been so long that if John was ever to attend a Queen event that the attention and scrutiny from fans and the media would be such that it would be unbearable for such a shy and fragile individual. Wasn’t he meant to attend the Stormtroopers photo exhibition premiere and went as far as getting dressed up to go but backed out and sent his sons instead? Not sure where I heard that. |
| Makka 16.09.2019 03:01 |
runner_70 wrote: And as usual they bash him. I really wonder what caused the friction between them. I hope Deacy comes out one day for an interviewI don't really understand how you think they are bashing him here? John looks totally disinterested in being there and they were just reflecting on the time and how he was and that it was the last time they played live together. |
| Dougie 4 16.09.2019 04:44 |
Let us leave John Deacon alone. People are allowed to retire and he may have had personal reasons we don't know about. He probably functioned better in the Queen team with Freddie. The two of them collaborated often and Freddie was very good at encouraging John to write and compose. That doesn't mean the rest were bad people, it is just that artistically John felt a connection with Freddie. |
| Jeremy 16.09.2019 06:38 |
Chrisallstar wrote: Don’t forget that in 1998 Brian and Roger were each working on their fairly mediocre solo albums and respective tours."Another World" is an amazing album. Great songs, great production. I haven't heard "Electric Fire". |
| Negative Creep 16.09.2019 11:18 |
Chrisallstar wrote: Wasn’t he meant to attend the Stormtroopers photo exhibition premiere and went as far as getting dressed up to go but backed out and sent his sons instead? Not sure where I heard that.I don't think so. Someone claimed to have spoken to one of his kids, who told them he was supposed to be attending but couldn't for some reason or other - I think that's called making an excuse. Describing him as being fragile is going a bit far too. Makka wrote: I don't really understand how you think they are bashing him here? John looks totally disinterested in being there and they were just reflecting on the time and how he was and that it was the last time they played live together.Does he look disinterested? What would you have liked him to do playing a song like TSMGO? If he was disinterested, maybe he was bored of all the faff over playing one song - or maybe it just dawned on him that he didn't want to playing in a band with a stand in frontman? It's pretty obvious that there were major arguments over where they wanted or didn't want to take the Queen "brand" shortly after this period. |
| Sunshine 16.09.2019 12:28 |
I think Brian and Roger took the right decision in developing the Queen brand. Nearly all activities were very successful, especially the musical and the Queen + AL cooperation. I don't know if Brian and Roger are even annoyed that John proceeds to get paid in royalties because they do the work. John probably even didn't need the money and it wasn't like John demanded that Brian & Roger would proceed working with the Queen brand, it was their own wish. Truth is that no one really knows how the relationship is between the 3 of them or how John's state of mind is. Just let it be. It's ok. |
| Markman38 16.09.2019 12:38 |
To my understanding he did signed a lot of stuff until not long ago. Also for Queen auctions and the Phoenix Trust so I think he really was done with the music industry and he never seemed to comfortable in direct contact. He has alwayws that shy look |
| The Real Wizard 16.09.2019 14:22 |
Sunshine wrote: I think Brian and Roger took the right decision in developing the Queen brand. Nearly all activities were very successful, especially the musical and the Queen + AL cooperation. I don't know if Brian and Roger are even annoyed that John proceeds to get paid in royalties because they do the work. John probably even didn't need the money and it wasn't like John demanded that Brian & Roger would proceed working with the Queen brand, it was their own wish. Truth is that no one really knows how the relationship is between the 3 of them or how John's state of mind is. Just let it be. It's ok.Precisely. Deacon may be accepting his cheques while doing nothing now, but he worked for a solid two decades. He earned his retirement, and doesn't owe anyone a thing. His bandmates have been honourable in keeping the finer details under wraps, as it's nobody's business but theirs. They had a few missteps in the early 2000s as they were sorting out their brand, but Queen are now the biggest band in the world - they've sold more records than anyone this year. None of us could've pictured this even a year ago. |
| dysan 16.09.2019 14:28 |
Agreed. When this show happened in 1997 it was a very very odd time for Queen. The vehicle was breached and its road needed metalling. |
| dysan 16.09.2019 14:29 |
Would Deacon have remain a part of it if he knew? Probably not. Would Queen be where they are now if Deacon's vote counted against the other 2? Probably not. |
| The Real Wizard 16.09.2019 14:33 |
dysan wrote: Would Queen be where they are now if Deacon's vote counted against the other 2? Probably not.Hard to know. But that's a very good question. He's been a recluse for longer than he was in the band. It's impossible to know where his head is at these days. He could be an entirely different person now for all we know. |
| Killer_queenIII 16.09.2019 14:37 |
The Real Wizard wrote:runner_70 wrote: And as usual they bash him.Telling the truth isn't "bashing" him. You are cold and empty inside if you can't see the sadness in Brian's eyes while he talks about this. Deacon has only spoken to them through lawyers these last 20 years while still accepting royalty cheques from their hard work to keep the music alive, and they are still this nice to him. Watch The Eagles documentary if you want to see what bashing looks like. Brian and Roger are gentlemen. Did you know that every time they go on the road, they still invite him to be in the band? Of course you didn't. Because you're too busy spending hours a day being an internet troll, looking for places to defame three people you've never met. Your drivel is all over YouTube videos too. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so full of hate. Pot calling the kettle black about bashing people. Get a life. |
| The Real Wizard 16.09.2019 14:39 |
Killer_queenIII wrote:link FYI. |
| Killer_queenIII 16.09.2019 17:44 |
Oh for fu... Anyway, I was gonna say I'm surprised they even let Felder in on the History of the Eagles documentary, only to be part of the bashfest. That and I'm surprised that Bri and Rog still invite John out. I suppose they have good intentions, but I think John's heart's just not into it anymore. If anything, he probably stopped playing the bass in over twenty years, which is a drag, losing your love for playing music like that. To quote Brian: "Further than that, you'll have to ask John. Though I don't think he's in the mood to talk now..." |
| ggo1 16.09.2019 19:12 |
He was always shy, never looked comfortable being interviewed even in the heady days. Also it is a lot easier to retire from public when you have a shedload of money and not much of an ego to massage. John owes the public nothing, and the money keeps rolling in. Sounds like a decent life to me. It's a shame if he doesn't feel that way, but we have no way of knowing unless he chooses to speak... which is highly unlikely. |
| runner_70 16.09.2019 20:32 |
Killer_queenIII wrote:I don't quite know if calling your ex-bandmate a "sociopath" is being a gentleman....That's what ROger Did. And now get your head out of Maylor's arse. Fact is that May has always been jealous of Freddie being the main focus in Queen and he is probably pissed that John does not like what they are doing now and even though he needs to pay him royaltiesThe Real Wizard wrote:runner_70 wrote: And as usual they bash him.Telling the truth isn't "bashing" him. You are cold and empty inside if you can't see the sadness in Brian's eyes while he talks about this. Deacon has only spoken to them through lawyers these last 20 years while still accepting royalty cheques from their hard work to keep the music alive, and they are still this nice to him. Watch The Eagles documentary if you want to see what bashing looks like. Brian and Roger are gentlemen. Did you know that every time they go on the road, they still invite him to be in the band? Of course you didn't. Because you're too busy spending hours a day being an internet troll, looking for places to defame three people you've never met. Your drivel is all over YouTube videos too. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so full of hate. Pot calling the kettle black about bashing people. Get a life. |
| runner_70 16.09.2019 20:34 |
Killer_queenIII wrote: see what bashing looks like. Brian and Roger are gentlemen. Did you know that every time they go on the road, they still invite him to be in the band? Of course you didn't. Because you're too busy spending hours a day being an internet troll, looking for places to defame three people you've never met. Your drivel is all over YouTube videos too. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so full of hate. Pot calling the kettle black about bashing people. Get a life.Maylor deserve every hate because of the harm they did to the Queen name (i do not call it "BRAND" - it is shameful calling it a brand). Maylor have removed themselves from being a class act and have turned into two old money hungry bastards trying to make a quick buck on anything while selling their crap on the back of their deceased lead singer. Freddie would NOT have loved it. |
| ianlasseter 16.09.2019 21:01 |
Jesus runner_70 you seem to have serious issues.Nothing you have said in the above post has any relavence to anything.Queen are not a brand,they just happen to be really good at what they do.They are not money hungry,and wanting to make a quick buck,they,probably are the most popular band on the planet right now.You can see that they are really having fun live.All they are doing is making Queens' music availiable to a new audience.Who knows how much longer they are going to be able to perform like this.And I think Freddie would have loved it. |
| rockchic65 16.09.2019 21:02 |
^^^ This. |
| FMBMJDRT 16.09.2019 22:31 |
There is no doubt that the Queen PR machine is very powerful and there will be all sorts of legal and contractual arrangements in place to ensure the John Deacon situation is managed in such way as to protect his privacy and ensure limited questions are asked about his absence, and thus limited damage to the brand. How many interviews with Brian and Roger have you heard where a journalist doggedly pursues the John Deacon question? Answer: none. This will be because there are PR arrangements in place pre interview only to mention his name once or twice. Even if he does not speak to Brian and Roger directly, it appears John's children do and I think this is why there is a mental health issue affecting John. Given that John still lives in London it probably takes more effort to avoid Brian and Roger than to speak to them directly. I think Luke's involvement in the film advising Joe Mazello shows his children advocate on his behalf. |
| emrabt 16.09.2019 23:51 |
I don't quite know if calling your ex-bandmate a "sociopath" is being a gentleman....That's what ROger Did.I'm not totally convinced that Roger actually knows what a sociopath is because if you read the whole interview in context it's about John being reclusive, which isn't a sociopath. It's entirely possible Roger used a word he didn't understand to mean a Mental Illness or neurological disorder which John actually has, like a social disability. I don't know, He could also have been insulting john but in over 20 years they've been respectful towards him and why he quit. Even in the early 90's when Brian was being a dick about made in heaven Roger and John were together. it seems strange that he would throw out an insult in an interview at this point. that said, it still entirely possible John just drifted away from the others, He saw they were heading in the direction of more live stuff and less studio work and decided it wasn't for him, with no other reason than that. |
| miraclesteinway 17.09.2019 00:42 |
I don't think in this particular interview that they bashed John, at all. I think they're sad he isn't in the group anymore, but respect his decision, and it seems that John has no desire or will to stop Brian and Roger performing as Queen. John did join the group after they became Queen although there were no releases or recordings at that time, but after all this time that's not really an important point. I get the impression that Cameron Deacon on his YouTube channel wishes his dad was still involved, but you can't make someone do something. Roger did use the word sociopath in describing John, which was a bit unfair and quite personal, but that said, I have never met any of them so I don't know if it's accurate or not. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 17.09.2019 00:52 |
Let us leave John Deacon alone. People are allowed to retire and he may have had personal reasons we don't know about. He probably functioned better in the Queen team with Freddie. The two of them collaborated often and Freddie was very good at encouraging John to write and compose. That doesn't mean the rest were bad people, it is just that artistically John felt a connection with Freddie. TRUTH. I know why John Deacon never wanted to be again in Queen because of all we know Queen dead when Freddie sadly passed away. He only played as Queen two times....in a concert with Roger, and with Elton John. If you see the credits of Queen Rocks, said No one but you is not Queen, is another story... John is the only member loyal to Freddie. Roger was a cunt called him sociopath...and Roger is a liar, very smart and arrogant dude. Brian is more sensitive person than Roger....and he understands better than anybody why John doesn't be involved in Queen anymore....or Queen+, a fucking joke, with a legend like Paul Rodgers, or a very good entertainment showman, by USA canons, like Adam Lambert. The remix from Under Pressure, John said yes, but never was in the studio to see what happened. I did an interview with Josuah, and he told me John and David Bowie said ok to release that fuckin horrible remix, nothing more... |
| darcy-wright 17.09.2019 03:55 |
I just hope oneday we learn or hear that roger and brian tried to include john in their solo works or help him and didnt just go all armish on him. If your band brother / friend needs help you do everything to help them grieve.even if they lock themselves away you fight for them. And you can see in the footage he wasnt comfortable there, it would not have seemed right and fair enough, if he didnt wanna go on without freddie up front, thats his choice. heck, it could have been worse. severe depression can lead to suicide, so at least hes had many good years with his family and grandkids and thats what counts. |
| Makka 17.09.2019 05:22 |
ianlasseter wrote: Jesus runner_70 you seem to have serious issues.Nothing you have said in the above post has any relavence to anything.Queen are not a brand,they just happen to be really good at what they do.They are not money hungry,and wanting to make a quick buck,they,probably are the most popular band on the planet right now.You can see that they are really having fun live.All they are doing is making Queens' music availiable to a new audience.Who knows how much longer they are going to be able to perform like this.And I think Freddie would have loved it.To add to this Roger and Brian are musicians. It's what they do and what they enjoy. They have every right to continue playing in whatever form they desire and it makes them and other people happy. Artists make fuck all from the music these days, they have to tour. I can imagine at their age it's fucken hard work but they love it. Let them enjoy the remainder of their lives doing what they love and people love them doing. |
| runner_70 17.09.2019 05:45 |
ianlasseter wrote: Jesus runner_70 you seem to have serious issues.Nothing you have said in the above post has any relavence to anything.Queen are not a brand,they just happen to be really good at what they do.They are not money hungry,and wanting to make a quick buck,they,probably are the most popular band on the planet right now.You can see that they are really having fun live.All they are doing is making Queens' music availiable to a new audience.Who knows how much longer they are going to be able to perform like this.And I think Freddie would have loved it.Well then read Roger s Statement who only refers to Queen as a BRAND anymore |
| runner_70 17.09.2019 05:52 |
They could have gone the solo way and tour on a smaller scale. Instead they completely gave up the songwriting (ok Roger did some average stuff) and are milking the Queen name until the lasr drop. Sad |
| Cruella de Vil 17.09.2019 08:42 |
So much of this is conjecture and people trying to read between the lines. Maybe some of what had been raised here is true or maybe none of it. Let’s face we really don’t know the full story and never will. Let’s go back to the music they created and enjoy that., |
| rockchic65 17.09.2019 09:02 |
runner_70 wrote: They could have gone the solo way and tour on a smaller scale. Instead they completely gave up the songwriting (ok Roger did some average stuff) and are milking the Queen name until the lasr drop. SadTons of fans are loving seeing them live doing full shows with all their favourite Queen songs (and there's no way they could do solo) and they're loving having the chance to do arena's and stadiums again, they wouldn't be doing that solo either. They had huge input into the Queen catalogue and making that music, it wasn't just Freddie so there's no reason they shouldn't be touring the music they helped create for the fans who want to see them and all the newer fans who were too young to see Queen. No idea how someone gets so bitter they would begrudge them and the fans the joy of these tours, they lost their friend, band mate and career in one go, why shouldn't they have a second go round if people still want them to tour and all the younger fans can still see at least two of the original band doing the music they love. |
| rockchic65 17.09.2019 09:03 |
Makka wrote:100% agree.ianlasseter wrote: Jesus runner_70 you seem to have serious issues.Nothing you have said in the above post has any relavence to anything.Queen are not a brand,they just happen to be really good at what they do.They are not money hungry,and wanting to make a quick buck,they,probably are the most popular band on the planet right now.You can see that they are really having fun live.All they are doing is making Queens' music availiable to a new audience.Who knows how much longer they are going to be able to perform like this.And I think Freddie would have loved it.To add to this Roger and Brian are musicians. It's what they do and what they enjoy. They have every right to continue playing in whatever form they desire and it makes them and other people happy. Artists make fuck all from the music these days, they have to tour. I can imagine at their age it's fucken hard work but they love it. Let them enjoy the remainder of their lives doing what they love and people love them doing. |
| thomasquinn 32989 17.09.2019 09:27 |
miraclesteinway wrote: Roger did use the word sociopath in describing John, which was a bit unfair and quite personal, but that said, I have never met any of them so I don't know if it's accurate or not.From the context, it was pretty clear (IMHO) that Roger meant something like "agoraphobe" and just messed up his choice of words. |
| rockchic65 17.09.2019 10:19 |
^^^ Exactly, he likely meant to say social phobia which judging from John's reaction when fans approach him would fit. |
| cmsdrums 17.09.2019 15:03 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: The remix from Under Pressure, John said yes, but never was in the studio to see what happened...There is an interview with Mike Spencer that says John WAS in the studio to work on his mix of UP, bu this was then ditched in favour of Brian's mix....such a shame. link |
| ggo1 17.09.2019 16:11 |
It hurts to me to agree with anything runner_70 says because he's a hate filled balloon of bile that keeps popping off. But while I'm ok with the big Queen tour with AL, there is something to be said for going the smaller route. I always thought they should have done a couple of Royal Albert Hall gigs every year or two, like Dave Gilmour did. A couple of guest vocalists and a chance to just be musicians rather than a show. Less pressure to impress. It's possible that's how Brian feels about his tours with Kerry Ellis but that doesn't float my boat at all. Roger seems happy playing whenever he plays with the SAS band. The Brian May band were fun. I enjoyed The Cross, but it must be hard to play to small theatres when you know you can play Arenas just by changing the name. I don't think it's all about money, I think ego is the main thing. John doesnt really have one, the other two do. It would be nice if they did something new together, but lets not kid ourselves that these 70 year olds are going to come up with classics like they did forty+ years ago. |
| cmsdrums 18.09.2019 12:46 |
ggo1 wrote: I don't think it's all about money.....I didn't either, but the recent corporate gig they did for Microsoft, and a private booking coming up on 21 Sept for a wealthy financier for his wife's birthday party in Italy, with The Beach Boys supporting Q&AL (yes, really!!) ,starts severely testing my resolve in thinking that it's not. |
| fruhzs 18.09.2019 13:25 |
We never know the details though, so it’s tough to know for sure. I know a story for a private concert the Stones did in the US a few years ago, for a super rich guy who was with a terminal disease, and had this dream. From what I heard they accept to do it for these circunstância, and they also donated their very large payment to some charities they supported or something to that effect. So we never really know the motives behind all that. |
| Killer_queenIII 18.09.2019 13:27 |
Btw, that blank post with the quotes on the previous page, there was supposed to be something else I said, but the forum forgot to put my 2 cents in for some reason. |
| rockchic65 18.09.2019 17:16 |
cmsdrums wrote:Why would doing a private gig for a wealthy guy and his wife be all about money? She's a massive Adam fan who's had him play at two parties for her birthday before so that's likely why she's asked QAL to do the gig, she loves Adam and loves Queen music and can clearly afford to hire them, I think it would be a bit off to refuse tbh, who wouldn't love to have their favourite artist/band play at a party for them if they could.ggo1 wrote: I don't think it's all about money.....I didn't either, but the recent corporate gig they did for Microsoft, and a private booking coming up on 21 Sept for a wealthy financier for his wife's birthday party in Italy, with The Beach Boys supporting Q&AL (yes, really!!) ,starts severely testing my resolve in thinking that it's not. |
| ggo1 18.09.2019 17:22 |
@cmsdrums. I still don't think it's ALL about money, but I didn't know about them doing another private gig. I was a bit unsure about the Microsoft gig, but at least they did it while they were already on tour and it seems like it was slotted into that. A birthday party a week before the global citizens gig... If I'm being generous I'll say it's a business decision and they are doing it to cover the costs of the free show the following week. I'm really clutching at straws now. |
| rockchic65 18.09.2019 17:30 |
ggo1 wrote: @cmsdrums. I still don't think it's ALL about money, but I didn't know about them doing another private gig. I was a bit unsure about the Microsoft gig, but at least they did it while they were already on tour and it seems like it was slotted into that. A birthday party a week before the global citizens gig... If I'm being generous I'll say it's a business decision and they are doing it to cover the costs of the free show the following week. I'm really clutching at straws now.It's been organized for ages, way before the US tour started, she's known Adam for ages and he did a private party for her in 2014 and again in January this year. |
| Holly2003 18.09.2019 18:48 |
http://youtu.be/Lj-9lSEBBm0?t=46 |
| runner_70 20.09.2019 22:49 |
Lamebird will soon play birthdays and funerals again |
| rockchic65 22.09.2019 09:08 |
runner_70 wrote: Lamebird will soon play birthdays and funerals againPlayed a birthday last night with Brian & Roger, your point? |