QueenZone discussion #1564066

on my way up wrote: Never forget: the NOTW box set was announced as having a lot of unheard content. It turned out to be just 1 disc... Until we have a press release I just expect nothing. This is more or less what we usually get.

on my way up wrote: Never forget: the NOTW box set was announced as having a lot of unheard content. It turned out to be just 1 disc...

on my way up wrote: Well, they included Sleeping on the sidewalk live. That is nice What I just don't get is why they do not use those expensive box sets to offer a nice amount of rare stuff. For me, the NOTW box would have been great if: - they included another disc or 2 of studio rarities - Houston 77 live dvd/blu ray - downloadlinks to the 2 best/most interesting soundboard recordings they have from eacht tour leg: imagine getting Boston 77 and Inglewood 77 and then something from Europe/UK 78 That box would have been truly worth it and I'd enjoy all the live stuff on a weekly basis :-) ;-)

on my way up wrote: Well, they included Sleeping on the sidewalk live. That is nice What I just don't get is why they do not use those expensive box sets to offer a nice amount of rare stuff. For me, the NOTW box would have been great if: - they included another disc or 2 of studio rarities - Houston 77 live dvd/blu ray - downloadlinks to the 2 best/most interesting soundboard recordings they have from eacht tour leg: imagine getting Boston 77 and Inglewood 77 and then something from Europe/UK 78 That box would have been truly worth it and I'd enjoy all the live stuff on a weekly basis :-) ;-)

runner_70 wrote: I wish we would ever get a box like this: link 9 CDS 2 double vinyl albums and some goodies plus book. For 140 EUro. The NOTW box almost was that pricey for about 1/3 of the content Regarding the Miracle it is clearly that they go for it because it was a very productive period. We will get "Dog With a bone" and "Falling OUt" in decent quality I hope.

runner_70 wrote: I wish we would ever get a box like this: link 9 CDS 2 double vinyl albums and some goodies plus book. For 140 EUro. The NOTW box almost was that pricey for about 1/3 of the content Regarding the Miracle it is clearly that they go for it because it was a very productive period. We will get "Dog With a bone" and "Falling OUt" in decent quality I hope.

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Crap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included.

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Crap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included.

SpaceGrey wrote:

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Crap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included.

Myself too, especially Scandal.

Freddie rey wrote: Yes, I don't trust on this information. I mean, is one of the weakest albums of the band, and the anniversary years is this year, no next one. And next year is the 40 anniversary of The game and also de 50 anniversary of the band....and is it's like the Live Killers box, well, we will.never get

SpaceGrey wrote:

Freddie rey wrote: Yes, I don't trust on this information. I mean, is one of the weakest albums of the band, and the anniversary years is this year, no next one. And next year is the 40 anniversary of The game and also de 50 anniversary of the band....and is it's like the Live Killers box, well, we will.never get

runner_70 wrote:

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Crap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included.

You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbage

Agr123456 wrote: A Miracle Box set could be great...But it will fail as all Queen products since 25 years ago... Party, Kashoggi Ship, Breakthru, I Want It All, Scandal, Was It All Worth It, Hang On In There, Hijack My Heart...Enough great songs to consider The Miracle a great album. In my Top3

Makka wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Crap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included.

You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbage

We may have our differences but can't really argue with any of this. I too remember being really excited for a heavier album after the lead single and then being a bit disappointed with the album as a whole with a few gems scattered through it.

runner_70 wrote:

Makka wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Crap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included.

You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbage

We may have our differences but can't really argue with any of this. I too remember being really excited for a heavier album after the lead single and then being a bit disappointed with the album as a whole with a few gems scattered through it.

absolutely - was a very mixed bag. But surely potential for a Boxset if done right. But I doubt they will do it right.....

antiden wrote: The Miracle sessions were the most prolific in the whole Queen's career. So regardless our various tastes this album has the BIGGEST potential for a box set.

Golden Salmon wrote: some people here would still complain if an equivalent Queen II or ANATO release was rumoured to happen.

Jimmy Dean wrote: I think i mentioned this before but - if this is true - then I think it should support a final sessions anthology. So I would think a box set to commemorate Miracle-Innuendo-Made In Heaven would make the most sense. A 2021 release would be most appropriate if they want to celebrate anything.... freddie's 75th birthday, 30 years since his death and 30 years since Innuendo. Could easily be a 5-6 CD set including the 3 albums + Bluray of the videos & documentary

runner_70 wrote: You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbage

cmi wrote:

runner_70 wrote: You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbage

It's your OWN opinion and it doesn't really matter at all for everybody here because everyone has his OWN opinion.

runner_70 wrote:

SpaceGrey wrote:

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Crap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included.

Myself too, especially Scandal.

Scandal is great - the others I mentioned not so much

runner_70 wrote:

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Crap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included.

You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbage

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

stevelondon20 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Crap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included.

You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbage

We all have different tastes. That is what makes the world so great. I certainly don't have strange taste though!!

Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2.

Freddie rey wrote: I hope that it's true, but to be honest.... is so strange... I mean, 2020 it's more normal to release a 40 anniversary box of The Game, one of the most selling albums of the band.... but, The Miracle?? Anyway, I hope that it's true

The Nosuch Disco wrote: I do hope there's a raw session disc, as that was something I liked from News of the World. There's a fair amount of Miracle stuff out there already that they'd likely cobble together for this boxset, thus making it a frustrating purchase for existing fans. Disc 1 - The album 2011 mix Disc 2 - B sides and 7/12" versions (where applicable) chuck in TMLWKY as well. Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2. Vinyl - Picture disc or something. Would be great if A New Life Is Born, Brother Of Mine, Dog With A Bone, Face It Alone & I Guess We're Falling Out made an appearance... 1 or 2 of these might, but I won't hold my breath. There might be some quirky things in there like replica green sun glasses from Invisible Man video... 1:74 scale Miracle Express.

runner_70 wrote:

Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2.

Seems you work for QPL - all recycled stuff. Something released all the way before (/multiple times). Thanx no.

SpaceGrey wrote:

The Nosuch Disco wrote: I do hope there's a raw session disc, as that was something I liked from News of the World. There's a fair amount of Miracle stuff out there already that they'd likely cobble together for this boxset, thus making it a frustrating purchase for existing fans. Disc 1 - The album 2011 mix Disc 2 - B sides and 7/12" versions (where applicable) chuck in TMLWKY as well. Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2. Vinyl - Picture disc or something. Would be great if A New Life Is Born, Brother Of Mine, Dog With A Bone, Face It Alone & I Guess We're Falling Out made an appearance... 1 or 2 of these might, but I won't hold my breath. There might be some quirky things in there like replica green sun glasses from Invisible Man video... 1:74 scale Miracle Express.

Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview. This interview was released on Queen On Air

runner_70 wrote:

SpaceGrey wrote:

The Nosuch Disco wrote: I do hope there's a raw session disc, as that was something I liked from News of the World. There's a fair amount of Miracle stuff out there already that they'd likely cobble together for this boxset, thus making it a frustrating purchase for existing fans. Disc 1 - The album 2011 mix Disc 2 - B sides and 7/12" versions (where applicable) chuck in TMLWKY as well. Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2. Vinyl - Picture disc or something. Would be great if A New Life Is Born, Brother Of Mine, Dog With A Bone, Face It Alone & I Guess We're Falling Out made an appearance... 1 or 2 of these might, but I won't hold my breath. There might be some quirky things in there like replica green sun glasses from Invisible Man video... 1:74 scale Miracle Express.

Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview. This interview was released on Queen On Air

And in a Hollywood Records Box "Queen Collection"

Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Another joke. The Miracle 30 anniversary from Wardour would be better than this. Said that. Did you know they send tapes, different, with All God's People (a song for the second solo album, not for Barcelona sessions. Mike Moran dixit), and also Too Much Love Will Kill You. What they can give us? "I guess we're falling out" live in China???

SpaceGrey wrote: And as always this will be another one tour for Queen+AL The Miracle tour

runner_70 wrote:

SpaceGrey wrote: And as always this will be another one tour for Queen+AL The Miracle tour

Nope they will tour their same Greatest Hits set like in the states. Thank god. Hard to imagine Lamebird singing A song from The Miracle apart from IWIA which he already destroyed

SpaceGrey wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

SpaceGrey wrote: And as always this will be another one tour for Queen+AL The Miracle tour

Nope they will tour their same Greatest Hits set like in the states. Thank god. Hard to imagine Lamebird singing A song from The Miracle apart from IWIA which he already destroyed

They must stop touring because L kills Queen

cmi wrote: It's your OWN opinion and it doesn't really matter at all for everybody here because everyone has his OWN opinion.

runner_70 wrote:

Agr123456 wrote: A Miracle Box set could be great...But it will fail as all Queen products since 25 years ago... Party, Kashoggi Ship, Breakthru, I Want It All, Scandal, Was It All Worth It, Hang On In There, Hijack My Heart...Enough great songs to consider The Miracle a great album. In my Top3

I am curious about the other two.....

Agr123456 wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

Agr123456 wrote: A Miracle Box set could be great...But it will fail as all Queen products since 25 years ago... Party, Kashoggi Ship, Breakthru, I Want It All, Scandal, Was It All Worth It, Hang On In There, Hijack My Heart...Enough great songs to consider The Miracle a great album. In my Top3

I am curious about the other two.....

A Day At The Races and The Game/Innuendo (Sometimes The Game, sometimes Innuendo, it depends)

dave76 wrote: Regarding a possible Miracle boxset i am a bit affraid that we maybe are getting a lot of stuff which we already have. Remember, over the past 10 like years we get a huge amount of Miracle bonus stuff like a lot of demo's plus the one that Roger gave us in 2011 with the deluxe edition. And of course a lot of video footage as well, among them the Miracle interviews, making offs, the rough mixes. We already have so much so there is a chance that they include some stuff we already have. Hopefully someone at Queen camp knows what have leaked over the years. I for one like to see a HD version of The Miracle Express docu, the rough mixes updates and more. I am curious with what they come up with because a live show is of course a no go.

Agr123456 wrote: "Clear case of "Look how different I am". " I won't spend a single minute to explain about my tastes. Enjoy yours ;-)

on my way up wrote:

dave76 wrote: Regarding a possible Miracle boxset i am a bit affraid that we maybe are getting a lot of stuff which we already have. Remember, over the past 10 like years we get a huge amount of Miracle bonus stuff like a lot of demo's plus the one that Roger gave us in 2011 with the deluxe edition. And of course a lot of video footage as well, among them the Miracle interviews, making offs, the rough mixes. We already have so much so there is a chance that they include some stuff we already have. Hopefully someone at Queen camp knows what have leaked over the years. I for one like to see a HD version of The Miracle Express docu, the rough mixes updates and more. I am curious with what they come up with because a live show is of course a no go.

After many years of Queen fanatism there's a huge risk of becoming cynical and so apology for what I am about to write (it may be quite cynical). Maybe they choose The Miracle for a box set because they can sell us officially what we already have "unofficially" ?? They've done this before: the 100 best bootlegs were offered online, not because they wanted to offer us something new (they should have chosen unheard soundboard recordings of concerts then) but because they wanted to sell us officially what could already be owned unofficially. The will to offer new and unheard stuff is very close to ZERO at Queen Productions so I guess this cynical view could very well be the realistic view...

la_ultra_zona wrote: Disc 1: The Miracle (remastered 2004) Disc 2 (bonus EP): I Want It All - Hollywood Records Version Disc 3: Live at Wembley (source: VHS)

dudeofqueen wrote: Brian "Jim, is that you?" Jim "Yes" B "This Miracle Box Set; you're ok with it, right?" J "Yes - fans have been crying out for this kind of thing. You owe it to them to provide as much rare, unreleased material as possible, given that the set lists you're performing are so fucking dreadful." B "Really? I thought they gave a real insight in to what the band was all about all these years; old and new alike (turns away from the phone) Isn't that right Kerry?" Kerry "You fucking idiot Brian; I'm not supposed to be here when you call Beachy Boy, remember?". B "Oh, shit, yeah. Wipe that shit of your chin......." J "Are you there Brian?" B "Yep. As I was saying, this Miracle Box. I've found something." J "What's that Brian?" B "Well, cosmically, it's a song that we tried in the studio but could never get quite right. Freddie was a huge fan of it and it really embodies him and the zest for life he had. I think, if put out in the right way, it could REALLY take over Bohemian Rhapsody as the song that most people would identify the band through." J "Interesting." B "We started it off in 1978." J "Really? Did Fred write it?" B "Too right he did. (turns away from the phone) Kerry - leave it alone; I can't again. 3 fucking times already this morning.........and unless you wash your face, you're not getting any more. Sorry Jim, this fucking cat won't leave me alone." J "Cat? I thought you has Miss Ellis in there again you dirty old dog." B "You know? Bugger." J "OK - this song. You know what?" B "What?" J "I knew this was coming. Let me guess what it is." B "You've got no chance mate. No one will see this coming at all; something to breathe life in to the legacy and make Freddie not boring." J "Don't Stop Me Now with long Lost Guitars and 1989 Extended, Multi-Layerd Guitar Break?" B "Bollocks. Right, Kerry, strap yourself in girl, you're in trouble now..........."

runner_70 wrote:

Agr123456 wrote: "Clear case of "Look how different I am". " I won't spend a single minute to explain about my tastes. Enjoy yours ;-)

I owned you already so no need for that

runner_70 wrote:

Agr123456 wrote: "Clear case of "Look how different I am". " I won't spend a single minute to explain about my tastes. Enjoy yours ;-)

I owned you already so no need for that

thomasquinn 32989 wrote:

runner_70 wrote: I owned you already so no need for that

It's hard to believe that even you yourself could possibly believe that. No, you did not. You made yourself look like an ass, which is par for the course for you, nothing more.

SpaceGrey wrote: Recently I realized that I really like the song Scandal. Despite the fact that the author is not Freddy, but personally he conveyed so much feeling, passion and anger. It is felt.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I'm not going to pursue it, but I could spare the 30-or-so seconds it took to write that. Call it "being charitable". And believe me, considering runner_70s track record, I was being *very* charitable. I have other words for him, but they might cause serious psychological harm to any hardened longshoremen who might read this topic, so I'll refrain from writing them down in the interest of public health.

stevelondon20 wrote:

SpaceGrey wrote: Recently I realized that I really like the song Scandal. Despite the fact that the author is not Freddy, but personally he conveyed so much feeling, passion and anger. It is felt.

It's FREDDIE. Not freddy.

Sebastian wrote: Actually, it's Frederick, off which 'Fred', 'Freddie' and 'Freddy' are all valid shortened forms.

runner_70 wrote: Seems like an attentions seeker like this annoying guy calling Freddie "Frederick".

Golden Salmon wrote: ^Regarding that...

runner_70 wrote: Seems like an attentions seeker like this annoying guy calling Freddie "Frederick".

He referred to himself as Frederick. There is audio proof of it even. Kim Basinger too!

SpaceGrey wrote:

stevelondon20 wrote:

SpaceGrey wrote: Recently I realized that I really like the song Scandal. Despite the fact that the author is not Freddy, but personally he conveyed so much feeling, passion and anger. It is felt.

It's FREDDIE. Not freddy.

Sorry mate

Sebastian wrote: Actually, it's Frederick, off which 'Fred', 'Freddie' and 'Freddy' are all valid shortened forms.

Sascha1971 wrote: In 1989 it was written, that they had a Collection of nearly 50 tracks to select the best for the Miracle. But it was never published, if they only got Fragments, ideas, Demos or nearly finished tracks got.

on my way up wrote: Well, what hurts most to me is that they DO have all kinds of gems in their archives: both studio and live stuff!

earwig wrote: 'but the 'estate' reject 90 percent of it.' Yes, but as the artists, they're entitled to!! It's their body of work.... we, as the die hard fans, don't have an automatic right to have access to it.

dysan wrote: I can't see them putting the Miracle live b-sides on it. But agree that general shape would be nice.

dysan wrote: It's the same with Bowie - 2 very odd choices for albums that got the big boxset treatment: Station To Station (which had only 6 tracks on the original anyway and re did them over multiple discs) and Black Tie White Noise (from 1993 which I doubt any casual fan would know had a boxset). Just this week a 5 disc set of the 1969 'Space Oddity' (AKA) album was announced (fair dos - 50 years since his break through and a genuinely great overview of that era with 12 totally unreleased tracks on top of the previously unreleased demo material that has come out as vinyl only stuff throughout this year). Queen will now have NOTW (again fair enough it has 2 huge hits on it) and potentially The Miracle (a bona fide Pointless answer on a Queen round). Both artists have totally missed their key household name albums for the multidisc treatment. All I know is this latest Bowie one points to an 'eras' style set going forward focussing on a couple of years each. We know The Miracle has a wealth of stuff to include so is a good idea. It's nearly a decade since the 2011 reissues which while being a mixed bag, suggested we were finally in for some big treats. Or more fairly ANY movement on that front. We have had the easy wins already (BBC set, Rainbow box etc) so even the hint of this being discussed is great. And I'm the biggest cynic going.

cmsdrums wrote: Yes...cos I need to get ANATO for a 15th time in a slight format variant!!

dysan wrote:

cmsdrums wrote: Yes...cos I need to get ANATO for a 15th time in a slight format variant!!

Like I had your mum 15 times

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

SpaceGrey wrote:

runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap

Odd? are you drunk? The Miracle is a great choice because so many unreleased songs waits the light of day

Anton3283 wrote: I don’t think that they will want to empty the whole archive in order to release all the demos from The Miracle album

runner_70 wrote:

Anton3283 wrote: I don’t think that they will want to empty the whole archive in order to release all the demos from The Miracle album

We will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fund

runner_70 wrote:

Anton3283 wrote: I don’t think that they will want to empty the whole archive in order to release all the demos from The Miracle album

We will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fund

Dim wrote: The miracle will be promoted as the time when Freddie told the band about his illness, the album when the band were like one unit again, (family etc as the movie suggests haha ??), so the will try to attract the public as the continuetion of Queen after the movie's end. Anyway if it is the case songs like Was all worth it, The Miracle, Scandal and unreleased songs like Face it alone will be promoted. I think that is good move to release the miracle box.

runner_70 wrote:We will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fund

brENsKi wrote:

runner_70 wrote:We will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fund

you'd have to hope that whatever is already in the wild, must exist in the archive in better format/condition. As for the €110 per-item Maylor Pension Fund comment: I know it was tongue in cheek - on your part, but for the uninitiated, it's probably worth mentioning that the split will be equal. The four band members or estates will receive a 14-18% cut of any sales. So, on each sale (of your suggested retail price of €110) the artist will receive €17.60 - which equates to €4.40 per band member. Once you factor in income tax we're looking at around €2.00 per band member. It'd literally be a "miracle" if they managed to sell the staggering number of Miracle Boxes required for a significant boost to their pension funds. Artists have not got any richer from record sales for at least two decades. In the 80s it was "home taping is killing music", then in the 90s CDRs and CD-writers saw home copying explode. The birth of internet downloads was the final nail in the coffin. Early on, through Napster, Audiogalaxy etc and the last decade; through streaming and torrents. I won't go into writer's royalties - as the percentage is usually a small fraction of 1% of individual songs.

SpaceGrey wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

runner_70 wrote:We will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fund

you'd have to hope that whatever is already in the wild, must exist in the archive in better format/condition. As for the €110 per-item Maylor Pension Fund comment: I know it was tongue in cheek - on your part, but for the uninitiated, it's probably worth mentioning that the split will be equal. The four band members or estates will receive a 14-18% cut of any sales. So, on each sale (of your suggested retail price of €110) the artist will receive €17.60 - which equates to €4.40 per band member. Once you factor in income tax we're looking at around €2.00 per band member. It'd literally be a "miracle" if they managed to sell the staggering number of Miracle Boxes required for a significant boost to their pension funds. Artists have not got any richer from record sales for at least two decades. In the 80s it was "home taping is killing music", then in the 90s CDRs and CD-writers saw home copying explode. The birth of internet downloads was the final nail in the coffin. Early on, through Napster, Audiogalaxy etc and the last decade; through streaming and torrents. I won't go into writer's royalties - as the percentage is usually a small fraction of 1% of individual songs.

What about The Miracle box set: As for the box set: I do not have high hopes that everything will be there that is in the archive for this album. Remembering what form got the NOTW box set I sure that this album will be released in the same way. Despite the fact that I liked The Raw Sessions from this box set, I still think it's not enough.

SpaceGrey wrote:What about The Miracle box set: As for the box set: I do not have high hopes that everything will be there that is in the archive for this album. Remembering what form got the NOTW box set I sure that this album will be released in the same way.

SpaceGrey wrote:Despite the fact that I liked The Raw Sessions from this box set, I still think it's not enough.

brENsKi wrote:

SpaceGrey wrote:What about The Miracle box set: As for the box set: I do not have high hopes that everything will be there that is in the archive for this album. Remembering what form got the NOTW box set I sure that this album will be released in the same way.

Well of course not. No band ever releases everything. Look at the Purple, Rainbow, Zep and Beatles releases: sure there's loads - but probably not even 25% of what there is. Why would bands release everything? This is only of interest to the absolute completist and a box like that would run to £000s

SpaceGrey wrote:Despite the fact that I liked The Raw Sessions from this box set, I still think it's not enough.

The Miracle is a a good choice for a box - simply because of the wealth/volume of recorded material available. Raw Sessions tend to be used when there's not sufficient to justify a full boxset.

SpaceGrey wrote:It's hard to argue with your opinion on this matter. I understand that it makes no sense to ask or be interested in how you see the upcoming box set, since it will still not be what we would like to see and hear, but nevertheless, I’m interested in your opinion.

brENsKi wrote:

SpaceGrey wrote:It's hard to argue with your opinion on this matter. I understand that it makes no sense to ask or be interested in how you see the upcoming box set, since it will still not be what we would like to see and hear, but nevertheless, I’m interested in your opinion.

It's a tough one to guess. Depends on how big and bold they want to go. I could see either a 4 or 5 disc set. The covers being the individual faces used for the four-headed cover used on discs 2-5 1. Original Recording - remastered 2020. 2. 12" mixes and instrumentals 3. Demos and outtakes of album cuts 4. Unused/unfinished tracks 5. DVD - video shoot bloopers and outtakes / misc recording session filming?

SpaceGrey wrote:Thank you. Wow. But I doubt that The Miracle will be remastered again since 2011 but who knows. I would add a CD with raw sessions, as is the case with the News Of The World album.

Michael Scapp wrote: Unused/unfinished tracks? God help us all

brENsKi wrote:

Michael Scapp wrote: Unused/unfinished tracks? God help us all

so you hated Made In Heaven, then?

brENsKi wrote: I found that the remasters sounded great upto and including NOTW. 9 years isn't too short a time for a remaster - especially when you consider that the 2011 remasters did suffer in some places due to compression and loudness.

Negative Creep wrote:

brENsKi wrote:I found that the remasters sounded great upto and including NOTW. 9 years isn't too short a time for a remaster - especially when you consider that the 2011 remasters did suffer in some places due to compression and loudness.

My issue with the remasters is that they've barely been EQ'd and there's barely any low end and that they're so inconsistent. For instance, Queen II's dynamics are pretty much intact but Innuendo has got from being probably the quietest (and limpest sounding) original CD issue to being the loudest. How does ONE remastering campaign result in completely different mastering styles, when they're apparently all done by the same highly regarded mastering engineer?

matt z wrote: I've heard second generation remaster of HITMAN and it brought up levels (individual tonal characteristics) to noticeable but not protruding prominence. Keys and stuff that was mostly buried in equal threshold bass /perc levels. It sounded like each instrument was given respectful clarity without compromising the entire track

Future Manager wrote: There's only so much you can with the original mixes. What I would really like are modern remixes like the ones Steve Wilson did for Yes. Then you can finally 'fix' the albums that have dated or muddled production (my first target would be Jazz). Just listen to The Hero Revisited on the 2011 Flash Gordon bonus EP for an example of what can be done. The difference is night and day.

dudeofqueen wrote: A turd is a turd, regardless of how hard you polish the fucking thing - if what's on the TAPE isn't great, it'll always be just what's on the tape in a shinier wrapper.

The Real Wizard wrote:

dudeofqueen wrote: A turd is a turd, regardless of how hard you polish the fucking thing - if what's on the TAPE isn't great, it'll always be just what's on the tape in a shinier wrapper.

The technology absolutely does exist to "polish a turd" as it were. The advent of automation alone made a massive difference in how well a mix could be done. That said, a poor mix can all come down to who's behind the mixing desk. There are countless variables at play, either in 1967 or in 2020.

earwig wrote:Don't confuse remixing and remastering folks!! The two things AREN'T interchangeable...

brENsKi wrote:

earwig wrote:Don't confuse remixing and remastering folks!! The two things AREN'T interchangeable...

master/remaster - is done from a mixdown of a finished stereo mix. therefore, any adjustments change everything....

cmsdrums wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

earwig wrote:Don't confuse remixing and remastering folks!! The two things AREN'T interchangeable...

mix/remix - has all of the individual elements in separate form. these can be edited, tweaked - adjustments and enhancements can be applied to individual tracks. master/remaster - is done from a mixdown of a finished stereo mix. therefore, any adjustments change everything - to the same degree.

Not strictly true - during the mastering process of a stereo track you can set EQ adjustments to only certain frequencies so others are not affected...for example, they want to boost a bass part that is at 120hz in the track...they can do so without boosting, for example, the cymbals which will only cover a much higher frequency range.

Jake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be done

runner_70 wrote:

Jake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be done

LMIYHA was partly rerecorded

runner_70 wrote: There you go. You should do that more often

runner_70 wrote:

Jake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be done

LMIYHA was partly rerecorded

cmsdrums wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

Jake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be done

LMIYHA was partly rerecorded

I must agree that the drums and bass on LMIYHA sound a lot better than the rest of The Works material, and show how a remix could make some of the albums (certainly Queen, The Works and AKOM) sound better. However, as much as it could improve them, remixed releases would be a waste of time for me.

runner_70 wrote:Pretty pointless doing a remix as an album is a snapshot of a place in time

runner_70 wrote:you would always lose the feeling - impossible to recreate....

brENsKi wrote:

runner_70 wrote:you would always lose the feeling - impossible to recreate....

accepted. but I think I could live with losing the authenticity if it meant also losing the horrible synthesised instruments of the 80s LPs. HS, Works and AKOM particularly, sound a bit hollow. it's weird I know, but the "fake" instruments used - even on vinyl seem to remove the "analogue warmth" from the playback.

runner_70 wrote:

brENsKi wrote:

runner_70 wrote:you would always lose the feeling - impossible to recreate....

accepted. but I think I could live with losing the authenticity if it meant also losing the horrible synthesised instruments of the 80s LPs. HS, Works and AKOM particularly, sound a bit hollow. it's weird I know, but the "fake" instruments used - even on vinyl seem to remove the "analogue warmth" from the playback.

But you cannot take the 80's out of the 80's. Thats what they wanted to do with Mr Bad Guy and it did not work imo

runner_70 wrote:

cmsdrums wrote:

runner_70 wrote:

Jake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be done

LMIYHA was partly rerecorded

I must agree that the drums and bass on LMIYHA sound a lot better than the rest of The Works material, and show how a remix could make some of the albums (certainly Queen, The Works and AKOM) sound better. However, as much as it could improve them, remixed releases would be a waste of time for me.

Pretty pointless doing a remix as an album is a snapshot of a place in time

SpaceGrey wrote: GB says that work on box set going slowly

Hutchence wrote: SpaceGrey, what's the source of this GB's comment ?

Hutchence wrote: SpaceGrey, what's the source of this GB's comment ?