soxtalon 08.09.2019 04:26 |
According to some on the QOL forums that went to the Freddie b-day party in Montreux, there is a Miracle boxset in the pipeline for next year containing MANY previously unissued recordings. I would think a few other albums would be in line for a box set first...and it's not like it's an anniversary....so odd choice. BUT if it gets us unreleased goodies, I will take it. |
soxtalon 08.09.2019 04:27 |
Oh and this reportedly came from Jim Beach so we shall see... |
runner_70 08.09.2019 05:54 |
2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crap |
cmi 08.09.2019 06:21 |
It's great if it's true. And excellent choice! |
ggo1 08.09.2019 06:31 |
Not a huge fan of the Miracle... Never understood the high esteem some fans give it. It's patchy at best, like most of the post 1980 material. Some really good songs mixed in there though. Used to think Was it all worth it was excellent, but TSMGO blows it away with the same "this is the last song we'll ever do" vibe I dread to think how bad some of the tracks that didn't make the album were. They talked about having 20 plus tracks to choose from at the time. But I'm all for pulling stuff out the archives and if this is true, it's a likely purchase from me. I loved the NOTW set, despite the price. |
Nathan H 08.09.2019 06:47 |
It may get me to like this album despite always have been in my least favourite five albums. |
Golden Salmon 08.09.2019 07:13 |
Absolutely one of the best releases I can think of - if done right. Screw the haters, there's lots of potentially great content for this one. I mean, I do have a soft spot for the album, yet some people here would still complain if an equivalent Queen II or ANATO release was rumoured to happen. |
on my way up 08.09.2019 07:53 |
Never forget: the NOTW box set was announced as having a lot of unheard content. It turned out to be just 1 disc... Until we have a press release I just expect nothing. This is more or less what we usually get. |
thomasquinn 32989 08.09.2019 09:37 |
Still, a Miracle-box set would be a considerably better release than yet another Wembley-reissue. |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 10:00 |
on my way up wrote: Never forget: the NOTW box set was announced as having a lot of unheard content. It turned out to be just 1 disc... Until we have a press release I just expect nothing. This is more or less what we usually get.Well, I can’t disagree with you, but on the other hand, it’s better than nothing. Although yes, for the NOTW, they could release all nine takes of the song “Feelings” |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 10:04 |
I guess we're falling out, and Face it alone I assume we will not get |
Golden Salmon 08.09.2019 10:06 |
on my way up wrote: Never forget: the NOTW box set was announced as having a lot of unheard content. It turned out to be just 1 disc...1 whole disc of alternative takes is well above the standard we are used to, you know. I mean, there's so much more they could have released for NOTW, but I'll very happily take 45-60 minutes worth of essentially never before heard takes / versions / performances / demos / whatever from The Miracle. |
on my way up 08.09.2019 10:07 |
Well, they included Sleeping on the sidewalk live. That is nice What I just don't get is why they do not use those expensive box sets to offer a nice amount of rare stuff. For me, the NOTW box would have been great if: - they included another disc or 2 of studio rarities - Houston 77 live dvd/blu ray - downloadlinks to the 2 best/most interesting soundboard recordings they have from eacht tour leg: imagine getting Boston 77 and Inglewood 77 and then something from Europe/UK 78 That box would have been truly worth it and I'd enjoy all the live stuff on a weekly basis :-) ;-) |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 10:13 |
on my way up wrote: Well, they included Sleeping on the sidewalk live. That is nice What I just don't get is why they do not use those expensive box sets to offer a nice amount of rare stuff. For me, the NOTW box would have been great if: - they included another disc or 2 of studio rarities - Houston 77 live dvd/blu ray - downloadlinks to the 2 best/most interesting soundboard recordings they have from eacht tour leg: imagine getting Boston 77 and Inglewood 77 and then something from Europe/UK 78 That box would have been truly worth it and I'd enjoy all the live stuff on a weekly basis :-) ;-)huh, Too much for Miami. because he will not know what release next year and so on |
runner_70 08.09.2019 10:16 |
I wish we would ever get a box like this: link 9 CDS 2 double vinyl albums and some goodies plus book. For 140 EUro. The NOTW box almost was that pricey for about 1/3 of the content Regarding the Miracle it is clearly that they go for it because it was a very productive period. We will get "Dog With a bone" and "Falling OUt" in decent quality I hope. |
runner_70 08.09.2019 10:17 |
on my way up wrote: Well, they included Sleeping on the sidewalk live. That is nice What I just don't get is why they do not use those expensive box sets to offer a nice amount of rare stuff. For me, the NOTW box would have been great if: - they included another disc or 2 of studio rarities - Houston 77 live dvd/blu ray - downloadlinks to the 2 best/most interesting soundboard recordings they have from eacht tour leg: imagine getting Boston 77 and Inglewood 77 and then something from Europe/UK 78 That box would have been truly worth it and I'd enjoy all the live stuff on a weekly basis :-) ;-)Yup I bought it too but apart from the raw sessions it was overpriced for sure. |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 10:21 |
runner_70 wrote: I wish we would ever get a box like this: link 9 CDS 2 double vinyl albums and some goodies plus book. For 140 EUro. The NOTW box almost was that pricey for about 1/3 of the content Regarding the Miracle it is clearly that they go for it because it was a very productive period. We will get "Dog With a bone" and "Falling OUt" in decent quality I hope.As I said earlier, we will not get it in any quality because these goodies unfinished |
dave76 08.09.2019 10:51 |
Good to know that we're still getting a couple of boxsets in the near future while we're still alive. But i don't hold my breath for it. |
The Fairy King 08.09.2019 10:55 |
runner_70 wrote: I wish we would ever get a box like this: link 9 CDS 2 double vinyl albums and some goodies plus book. For 140 EUro. The NOTW box almost was that pricey for about 1/3 of the content Regarding the Miracle it is clearly that they go for it because it was a very productive period. We will get "Dog With a bone" and "Falling OUt" in decent quality I hope.You beat me to it! Finally we agree on something. :D |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 10:57 |
3CD 1 DVD(bluRay): 1CD The Miracle(remaster 2011) 2CD The Miracle gems 3CD The Miracle EP 1DVD(BluRay) The Miracle Video |
stevelondon20 08.09.2019 11:09 |
runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 11:12 |
stevelondon20 wrote:Myself too, especially Scandal.runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 11:37 |
Jim Beach announced a forthcoming Miracle box set, which he said would be a BIG package featuring many previously unreleased tracks and different versions to those currently officially available. Hmm I do not know trust or not |
runner_70 08.09.2019 12:06 |
stevelondon20 wrote:You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbagerunner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
runner_70 08.09.2019 12:07 |
SpaceGrey wrote:Scandal is great - the others I mentioned not so muchstevelondon20 wrote:Myself too, especially Scandal.runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
Freddie rey 08.09.2019 12:18 |
Yes, I don't trust on this information. I mean, is one of the weakest albums of the band, and the anniversary years is this year, no next one. And next year is the 40 anniversary of The game and also de 50 anniversary of the band....and is it's like the Live Killers box, well, we will.never get |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 12:22 |
Freddie rey wrote: Yes, I don't trust on this information. I mean, is one of the weakest albums of the band, and the anniversary years is this year, no next one. And next year is the 40 anniversary of The game and also de 50 anniversary of the band....and is it's like the Live Killers box, well, we will.never get |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 12:23 |
SpaceGrey wrote:why you do not trust?Freddie rey wrote: Yes, I don't trust on this information. I mean, is one of the weakest albums of the band, and the anniversary years is this year, no next one. And next year is the 40 anniversary of The game and also de 50 anniversary of the band....and is it's like the Live Killers box, well, we will.never get |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 12:25 |
Now is the time that no one can be trusted. They promise mountains, but in the end only a hill, if you understand what I mean. |
Agr123456 08.09.2019 13:45 |
A Miracle Box set could be great...But it will fail as all Queen products since 25 years ago... Party, Kashoggi Ship, Breakthru, I Want It All, Scandal, Was It All Worth It, Hang On In There, Hijack My Heart...Enough great songs to consider The Miracle a great album. In my Top3 |
antiden 08.09.2019 14:09 |
The Miracle sessions were the most prolific in the whole Queen's career. So regardless our various tastes this album has the BIGGEST potential for a box set. |
Makka 08.09.2019 14:15 |
runner_70 wrote:We may have our differences but can't really argue with any of this. I too remember being really excited for a heavier album after the lead single and then being a bit disappointed with the album as a whole with a few gems scattered through it.stevelondon20 wrote:You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbagerunner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
runner_70 08.09.2019 14:20 |
Agr123456 wrote: A Miracle Box set could be great...But it will fail as all Queen products since 25 years ago... Party, Kashoggi Ship, Breakthru, I Want It All, Scandal, Was It All Worth It, Hang On In There, Hijack My Heart...Enough great songs to consider The Miracle a great album. In my Top3I am curious about the other two..... |
runner_70 08.09.2019 14:21 |
Makka wrote:absolutely - was a very mixed bag. But surely potential for a Boxset if done right. But I doubt they will do it right.....runner_70 wrote:We may have our differences but can't really argue with any of this. I too remember being really excited for a heavier album after the lead single and then being a bit disappointed with the album as a whole with a few gems scattered through it.stevelondon20 wrote:You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbagerunner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
Makka 08.09.2019 14:24 |
runner_70 wrote:Yeah, wouldn't of been my first choice for a boxset so hope they throw in some gems.Makka wrote:absolutely - was a very mixed bag. But surely potential for a Boxset if done right. But I doubt they will do it right.....runner_70 wrote:We may have our differences but can't really argue with any of this. I too remember being really excited for a heavier album after the lead single and then being a bit disappointed with the album as a whole with a few gems scattered through it.stevelondon20 wrote:You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbagerunner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
The Real Wizard 08.09.2019 14:33 |
antiden wrote: The Miracle sessions were the most prolific in the whole Queen's career. So regardless our various tastes this album has the BIGGEST potential for a box set. Golden Salmon wrote: some people here would still complain if an equivalent Queen II or ANATO release was rumoured to happen.And here are the two most relevant posts in the thread. After Pink Floyd fans complained about the 27 disc Early Years box set, nothing surprises me anymore. Queen fans also would not disappoint. |
Jimmy Dean 08.09.2019 15:12 |
I think i mentioned this before but - if this is true - then I think it should support a final sessions anthology. So I would think a box set to commemorate Miracle-Innuendo-Made In Heaven would make the most sense. A 2021 release would be most appropriate if they want to celebrate anything.... freddie's 75th birthday, 30 years since his death and 30 years since Innuendo. Could easily be a 5-6 CD set including the 3 albums + Bluray of the videos & documentary |
runner_70 08.09.2019 15:16 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: I think i mentioned this before but - if this is true - then I think it should support a final sessions anthology. So I would think a box set to commemorate Miracle-Innuendo-Made In Heaven would make the most sense. A 2021 release would be most appropriate if they want to celebrate anything.... freddie's 75th birthday, 30 years since his death and 30 years since Innuendo. Could easily be a 5-6 CD set including the 3 albums + Bluray of the videos & documentaryNot the worst idea. Especially when I think of Innuendo. I rmemeber there was a (highly priced) Studio chat for fans and those who attended were floored by the alternative vocals/takes etc.. |
frank152 08.09.2019 15:38 |
Bruce Springsteen box sets are the best. Album Outtakes Documentary Concert dvd N cool book like his notebook for the album Proper document of that album era |
cmi 08.09.2019 16:06 |
runner_70 wrote: You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbageIt's your OWN opinion and it doesn't really matter at all for everybody here because everyone has his OWN opinion. |
dave76 08.09.2019 16:13 |
My guess they will celebrate the 50th anniversary of forming the band in 1971. Yes, the band started the year before but since they had their 40th anniversary in 2011 i guess they will celebrate it in 2021. |
inu-liger 08.09.2019 16:13 |
cmi wrote:Exactly. And the problem is runner_70 almost never has anything positive to offer. It’s always some negative nancy comment, one after another. It’s almost like for him, life is...unreal?runner_70 wrote: You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbageIt's your OWN opinion and it doesn't really matter at all for everybody here because everyone has his OWN opinion. |
stevelondon20 08.09.2019 16:52 |
runner_70 wrote:Glad we agree on that. Scandal is a great track. One of my favourites.SpaceGrey wrote:Scandal is great - the others I mentioned not so muchstevelondon20 wrote:Myself too, especially Scandal.runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
stevelondon20 08.09.2019 16:53 |
runner_70 wrote:We all have different tastes. That is what makes the world so great. I certainly don't have strange taste though!!stevelondon20 wrote:You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbagerunner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
Freddie rey 08.09.2019 17:22 |
I hope that it's true, but to be honest.... is so strange... I mean, 2020 it's more normal to release a 40 anniversary box of The Game, one of the most selling albums of the band.... but, The Miracle?? Anyway, I hope that it's true |
The Nosuch Disco 08.09.2019 18:14 |
I do hope there's a raw session disc, as that was something I liked from News of the World. There's a fair amount of Miracle stuff out there already that they'd likely cobble together for this boxset, thus making it a frustrating purchase for existing fans. Disc 1 - The album 2011 mix Disc 2 - B sides and 7/12" versions (where applicable) chuck in TMLWKY as well. Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2. Vinyl - Picture disc or something. Would be great if A New Life Is Born, Brother Of Mine, Dog With A Bone, Face It Alone & I Guess We're Falling Out made an appearance... 1 or 2 of these might, but I won't hold my breath. There might be some quirky things in there like replica green sun glasses from Invisible Man video... 1:74 scale Miracle Express. |
runner_70 08.09.2019 18:18 |
stevelondon20 wrote:What are your top1 and 2 then?runner_70 wrote:We all have different tastes. That is what makes the world so great. I certainly don't have strange taste though!!stevelondon20 wrote:You have a strange taste- but on the other hand you like QAL so it does not surprise me. Rain Must fall is the worst Queen song ever- Makes Cool Cat sound like BoRhap. And My Baby does me is not much better. Even TIM is a crappy disco tune. I remember when IWIA was released as the leadsingle I was hoping that TM is a hard rock album again. Half of it was lame subpar pop. Scandal, WIAWI, Breakthru, IWIA TM were great songs almost classics but the rest was pop garbagerunner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapCrap in your opinion maybe, but a lot of people love those songs. Myself included. |
runner_70 08.09.2019 18:19 |
Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2.Seems you work for QPL - all recycled stuff. Something released all the way before (/multiple times). Thanx no. |
runner_70 08.09.2019 18:20 |
Freddie rey wrote: I hope that it's true, but to be honest.... is so strange... I mean, 2020 it's more normal to release a 40 anniversary box of The Game, one of the most selling albums of the band.... but, The Miracle?? Anyway, I hope that it's trueyup VERY strange. No Live Box and as they care so much for the USA they do a boxset for a flopped album? |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 18:25 |
The Nosuch Disco wrote: I do hope there's a raw session disc, as that was something I liked from News of the World. There's a fair amount of Miracle stuff out there already that they'd likely cobble together for this boxset, thus making it a frustrating purchase for existing fans. Disc 1 - The album 2011 mix Disc 2 - B sides and 7/12" versions (where applicable) chuck in TMLWKY as well. Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2. Vinyl - Picture disc or something. Would be great if A New Life Is Born, Brother Of Mine, Dog With A Bone, Face It Alone & I Guess We're Falling Out made an appearance... 1 or 2 of these might, but I won't hold my breath. There might be some quirky things in there like replica green sun glasses from Invisible Man video... 1:74 scale Miracle Express.Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview. This interview was released on Queen On Air |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 18:36 |
runner_70 wrote:Well, recently, along with previously unreleased material, it often they releases as you said recycled stuffDisc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2.Seems you work for QPL - all recycled stuff. Something released all the way before (/multiple times). Thanx no. |
runner_70 08.09.2019 18:44 |
SpaceGrey wrote:And in a Hollywood Records Box "Queen Collection"The Nosuch Disco wrote: I do hope there's a raw session disc, as that was something I liked from News of the World. There's a fair amount of Miracle stuff out there already that they'd likely cobble together for this boxset, thus making it a frustrating purchase for existing fans. Disc 1 - The album 2011 mix Disc 2 - B sides and 7/12" versions (where applicable) chuck in TMLWKY as well. Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2. Vinyl - Picture disc or something. Would be great if A New Life Is Born, Brother Of Mine, Dog With A Bone, Face It Alone & I Guess We're Falling Out made an appearance... 1 or 2 of these might, but I won't hold my breath. There might be some quirky things in there like replica green sun glasses from Invisible Man video... 1:74 scale Miracle Express.Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview. This interview was released on Queen On Air |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 18:51 |
runner_70 wrote:Right I forgotSpaceGrey wrote:And in a Hollywood Records Box "Queen Collection"The Nosuch Disco wrote: I do hope there's a raw session disc, as that was something I liked from News of the World. There's a fair amount of Miracle stuff out there already that they'd likely cobble together for this boxset, thus making it a frustrating purchase for existing fans. Disc 1 - The album 2011 mix Disc 2 - B sides and 7/12" versions (where applicable) chuck in TMLWKY as well. Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview DVD/Blu-ray - The videos, Making the Miracle and album Cover bits from GHV2. Vinyl - Picture disc or something. Would be great if A New Life Is Born, Brother Of Mine, Dog With A Bone, Face It Alone & I Guess We're Falling Out made an appearance... 1 or 2 of these might, but I won't hold my breath. There might be some quirky things in there like replica green sun glasses from Invisible Man video... 1:74 scale Miracle Express.Disc 3 - Queen For an Hour - Interview. This interview was released on Queen On Air |
Apocalipsis_Darko 08.09.2019 18:52 |
Another joke. The Miracle 30 anniversary from Wardour would be better than this. Said that. Did you know they send tapes, different, with All God's People (a song for the second solo album, not for Barcelona sessions. Mike Moran dixit), and also Too Much Love Will Kill You. What they can give us? "I guess we're falling out" live in China??? |
runner_70 08.09.2019 18:55 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Another joke. The Miracle 30 anniversary from Wardour would be better than this. Said that. Did you know they send tapes, different, with All God's People (a song for the second solo album, not for Barcelona sessions. Mike Moran dixit), and also Too Much Love Will Kill You. What they can give us? "I guess we're falling out" live in China???Wait til it comes out. |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 19:04 |
The Miracle box set I am afraid will be released next year not this year |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 19:07 |
And as always this will be another one tour for Queen+AL The Miracle tour |
runner_70 08.09.2019 19:12 |
SpaceGrey wrote: And as always this will be another one tour for Queen+AL The Miracle tourNope they will tour their same Greatest Hits set like in the states. Thank god. Hard to imagine Lamebird singing A song from The Miracle apart from IWIA which he already destroyed |
SpaceGrey 08.09.2019 19:16 |
runner_70 wrote:They must stop touring because L kills QueenSpaceGrey wrote: And as always this will be another one tour for Queen+AL The Miracle tourNope they will tour their same Greatest Hits set like in the states. Thank god. Hard to imagine Lamebird singing A song from The Miracle apart from IWIA which he already destroyed |
runner_70 08.09.2019 19:20 |
SpaceGrey wrote:YUp :)runner_70 wrote:They must stop touring because L kills QueenSpaceGrey wrote: And as always this will be another one tour for Queen+AL The Miracle tourNope they will tour their same Greatest Hits set like in the states. Thank god. Hard to imagine Lamebird singing A song from The Miracle apart from IWIA which he already destroyed |
dave76 08.09.2019 20:10 |
Regarding a possible Miracle boxset i am a bit affraid that we maybe are getting a lot of stuff which we already have. Remember, over the past 10 like years we get a huge amount of Miracle bonus stuff like a lot of demo's plus the one that Roger gave us in 2011 with the deluxe edition. And of course a lot of video footage as well, among them the Miracle interviews, making offs, the rough mixes. We already have so much so there is a chance that they include some stuff we already have. Hopefully someone at Queen camp knows what have leaked over the years. I for one like to see a HD version of The Miracle Express docu, the rough mixes updates and more. I am curious with what they come up with because a live show is of course a no go. |
cmi 08.09.2019 20:56 |
Anyway it'll be in perfect quality and complete form... |
Golden Salmon 08.09.2019 21:05 |
cmi wrote: It's your OWN opinion and it doesn't really matter at all for everybody here because everyone has his OWN opinion.Everyone has their own opinion and they can post it on the Internet? What are you, some kind of normal person? |
stevelondon20 08.09.2019 21:25 |
Looool. |
Agr123456 08.09.2019 23:19 |
runner_70 wrote:A Day At The Races and The Game/Innuendo (Sometimes The Game, sometimes Innuendo, it depends)Agr123456 wrote: A Miracle Box set could be great...But it will fail as all Queen products since 25 years ago... Party, Kashoggi Ship, Breakthru, I Want It All, Scandal, Was It All Worth It, Hang On In There, Hijack My Heart...Enough great songs to consider The Miracle a great album. In my Top3I am curious about the other two..... |
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 09.09.2019 01:07 |
I really hope that this is true! Any boxset with unreleased material is more than welcome! An alternative The Miracle album would be fantastic! Not my first option if I were ever to choose, but most welcome! Cheers, Ogre- |
RobbyBloodshed 09.09.2019 02:54 |
I’m really hoping a full version of this is mixed and put on the box set! https://youtu.be/z1PeKdeX_oI |
runner_70 09.09.2019 04:18 |
Agr123456 wrote:Miracle better than Opera or Queen 2 or SHA???? Wowrunner_70 wrote:A Day At The Races and The Game/Innuendo (Sometimes The Game, sometimes Innuendo, it depends)Agr123456 wrote: A Miracle Box set could be great...But it will fail as all Queen products since 25 years ago... Party, Kashoggi Ship, Breakthru, I Want It All, Scandal, Was It All Worth It, Hang On In There, Hijack My Heart...Enough great songs to consider The Miracle a great album. In my Top3I am curious about the other two..... |
Agr123456 09.09.2019 04:26 |
Seaside Rendezvous, Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon, Good Company, In The Lap Of The Gods, Misfire, She Makes Me, Bring Back That Leroy Brown, Now I'm Here, Lily Of The Valley, Some Day One Day, The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke. Enough songs to avoid these albums as "favourites" I'll explain it to you easily...A matter of tastes, do you enjoy these albums? Good for you. |
runner_70 09.09.2019 06:53 |
Now I'm here, lap, leroy, lily and Masterstroke are songs to avoid the albums???? And you think junk like my baby does me or rain must fall is superior? As I said:Very Strange taste |
Kuijpy 09.09.2019 07:37 |
Agr is a troll |
runner_70 09.09.2019 07:44 |
Seems like it |
dysan 09.09.2019 10:29 |
The Miracle was big 80s music in my country when the boy I was. Great love for Queen! |
Agr123456 09.09.2019 10:44 |
Nop. I'm not a troll, but an user here since...2002? But to be a Queen fan is not to be a lover of SHA, Q2 or ANATO. |
runner_70 09.09.2019 11:17 |
Seems like an attentions seeker like this annoying guy calling Freddie "Frederick". Clear case of "Look how different I am". My fave Queen album is Flash by a mile :) Followed by Hot Space. Third: Cosmos Rocks |
Agr123456 09.09.2019 11:33 |
"Clear case of "Look how different I am". " I won't spend a single minute to explain about my tastes. Enjoy yours ;-) |
on my way up 09.09.2019 13:12 |
dave76 wrote: Regarding a possible Miracle boxset i am a bit affraid that we maybe are getting a lot of stuff which we already have. Remember, over the past 10 like years we get a huge amount of Miracle bonus stuff like a lot of demo's plus the one that Roger gave us in 2011 with the deluxe edition. And of course a lot of video footage as well, among them the Miracle interviews, making offs, the rough mixes. We already have so much so there is a chance that they include some stuff we already have. Hopefully someone at Queen camp knows what have leaked over the years. I for one like to see a HD version of The Miracle Express docu, the rough mixes updates and more. I am curious with what they come up with because a live show is of course a no go.After many years of Queen fanatism there's a huge risk of becoming cynical and so apology for what I am about to write (it may be quite cynical). Maybe they choose The Miracle for a box set because they can sell us officially what we already have "unofficially" ?? They've done this before: the 100 best bootlegs were offered online, not because they wanted to offer us something new (they should have chosen unheard soundboard recordings of concerts then) but because they wanted to sell us officially what could already be owned unofficially. The will to offer new and unheard stuff is very close to ZERO at Queen Productions so I guess this cynical view could very well be the realistic view... |
la_ultra_zona 09.09.2019 15:07 |
Disc 1: The Miracle (remastered 2004) Disc 2 (bonus EP): I Want It All - Hollywood Records Version Disc 3: Live at Wembley (source: VHS) |
matt z 09.09.2019 15:21 |
Don't forget: "A conversation with Anita Dobson on the origins of her powerful phrase" |
dudeofqueen 09.09.2019 15:21 |
Brian "Jim, is that you?" Jim "Yes" B "This Miracle Box Set; you're ok with it, right?" J "Yes - fans have been crying out for this kind of thing. You owe it to them to provide as much rare, unreleased material as possible, given that the set lists you're performing are so fucking dreadful." B "Really? I thought they gave a real insight in to what the band was all about all these years; old and new alike (turns away from the phone) Isn't that right Kerry?" Kerry "You fucking idiot Brian; I'm not supposed to be here when you call Beachy Boy, remember?". B "Oh, shit, yeah. Wipe that shit of your chin......." J "Are you there Brian?" B "Yep. As I was saying, this Miracle Box. I've found something." J "What's that Brian?" B "Well, cosmically, it's a song that we tried in the studio but could never get quite right. Freddie was a huge fan of it and it really embodies him and the zest for life he had. I think, if put out in the right way, it could REALLY take over Bohemian Rhapsody as the song that most people would identify the band through." J "Interesting." B "We started it off in 1978." J "Really? Did Fred write it?" B "Too right he did. (turns away from the phone) Kerry - leave it alone; I can't again. 3 fucking times already this morning.........and unless you wash your face, you're not getting any more. Sorry Jim, this fucking cat won't leave me alone." J "Cat? I thought you has Miss Ellis in there again you dirty old dog." B "You know? Bugger." J "OK - this song. You know what?" B "What?" J "I knew this was coming. Let me guess what it is." B "You've got no chance mate. No one will see this coming at all; something to breathe life in to the legacy and make Freddie not boring." J "Don't Stop Me Now with long Lost Guitars and 1989 Extended, Multi-Layerd Guitar Break?" B "Bollocks. Right, Kerry, strap yourself in girl, you're in trouble now..........." |
runner_70 09.09.2019 16:35 |
Agr123456 wrote: "Clear case of "Look how different I am". " I won't spend a single minute to explain about my tastes. Enjoy yours ;-)I owned you already so no need for that |
runner_70 09.09.2019 16:37 |
on my way up wrote:Well kinda true and you only can get cynical when you look at how Maylor destroyed their reputation the last 20 yearsdave76 wrote: Regarding a possible Miracle boxset i am a bit affraid that we maybe are getting a lot of stuff which we already have. Remember, over the past 10 like years we get a huge amount of Miracle bonus stuff like a lot of demo's plus the one that Roger gave us in 2011 with the deluxe edition. And of course a lot of video footage as well, among them the Miracle interviews, making offs, the rough mixes. We already have so much so there is a chance that they include some stuff we already have. Hopefully someone at Queen camp knows what have leaked over the years. I for one like to see a HD version of The Miracle Express docu, the rough mixes updates and more. I am curious with what they come up with because a live show is of course a no go.After many years of Queen fanatism there's a huge risk of becoming cynical and so apology for what I am about to write (it may be quite cynical). Maybe they choose The Miracle for a box set because they can sell us officially what we already have "unofficially" ?? They've done this before: the 100 best bootlegs were offered online, not because they wanted to offer us something new (they should have chosen unheard soundboard recordings of concerts then) but because they wanted to sell us officially what could already be owned unofficially. The will to offer new and unheard stuff is very close to ZERO at Queen Productions so I guess this cynical view could very well be the realistic view... |
runner_70 09.09.2019 16:38 |
la_ultra_zona wrote: Disc 1: The Miracle (remastered 2004) Disc 2 (bonus EP): I Want It All - Hollywood Records Version Disc 3: Live at Wembley (source: VHS)for 60 EUro. |
runner_70 09.09.2019 16:40 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Brian "Jim, is that you?" Jim "Yes" B "This Miracle Box Set; you're ok with it, right?" J "Yes - fans have been crying out for this kind of thing. You owe it to them to provide as much rare, unreleased material as possible, given that the set lists you're performing are so fucking dreadful." B "Really? I thought they gave a real insight in to what the band was all about all these years; old and new alike (turns away from the phone) Isn't that right Kerry?" Kerry "You fucking idiot Brian; I'm not supposed to be here when you call Beachy Boy, remember?". B "Oh, shit, yeah. Wipe that shit of your chin......." J "Are you there Brian?" B "Yep. As I was saying, this Miracle Box. I've found something." J "What's that Brian?" B "Well, cosmically, it's a song that we tried in the studio but could never get quite right. Freddie was a huge fan of it and it really embodies him and the zest for life he had. I think, if put out in the right way, it could REALLY take over Bohemian Rhapsody as the song that most people would identify the band through." J "Interesting." B "We started it off in 1978." J "Really? Did Fred write it?" B "Too right he did. (turns away from the phone) Kerry - leave it alone; I can't again. 3 fucking times already this morning.........and unless you wash your face, you're not getting any more. Sorry Jim, this fucking cat won't leave me alone." J "Cat? I thought you has Miss Ellis in there again you dirty old dog." B "You know? Bugger." J "OK - this song. You know what?" B "What?" J "I knew this was coming. Let me guess what it is." B "You've got no chance mate. No one will see this coming at all; something to breathe life in to the legacy and make Freddie not boring." J "Don't Stop Me Now with long Lost Guitars and 1989 Extended, Multi-Layerd Guitar Break?" B "Bollocks. Right, Kerry, strap yourself in girl, you're in trouble now..........."Haha good one. |
Stick 09.09.2019 17:25 |
Nice sarcasm! |
Agr123456 09.09.2019 17:29 |
runner_70 wrote:One more time. => Good for you!Agr123456 wrote: "Clear case of "Look how different I am". " I won't spend a single minute to explain about my tastes. Enjoy yours ;-)I owned you already so no need for that Party time for you!!!! |
thomasquinn 32989 09.09.2019 17:31 |
runner_70 wrote:It's hard to believe that even you yourself could possibly believe that.Agr123456 wrote: "Clear case of "Look how different I am". " I won't spend a single minute to explain about my tastes. Enjoy yours ;-)I owned you already so no need for that No, you did not. You made yourself look like an ass, which is par for the course for you, nothing more. |
Agr123456 09.09.2019 17:48 |
Don't waste your time...Sure you have better things to do instead. |
thomasquinn 32989 09.09.2019 17:55 |
I'm not going to pursue it, but I could spare the 30-or-so seconds it took to write that. Call it "being charitable". And believe me, considering runner_70s track record, I was being *very* charitable. I have other words for him, but they might cause serious psychological harm to any hardened longshoremen who might read this topic, so I'll refrain from writing them down in the interest of public health. |
SpaceGrey 09.09.2019 18:31 |
Recently I realized that I really like the song Scandal. Despite the fact that the author is not Freddie, but personally he conveyed so much feeling, passion and anger. It is felt. |
inu-liger 09.09.2019 18:35 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Agreed. Only people with the maturity of a 13 year old would even try to boast about such a thing. How embarrassing.runner_70 wrote: I owned you already so no need for thatIt's hard to believe that even you yourself could possibly believe that. No, you did not. You made yourself look like an ass, which is par for the course for you, nothing more. (See attached image) |
runner_70 09.09.2019 18:35 |
Freddy? Who is that again? |
stevelondon20 09.09.2019 18:37 |
SpaceGrey wrote: Recently I realized that I really like the song Scandal. Despite the fact that the author is not Freddy, but personally he conveyed so much feeling, passion and anger. It is felt.It's FREDDIE. Not freddy. |
runner_70 09.09.2019 18:49 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I'm not going to pursue it, but I could spare the 30-or-so seconds it took to write that. Call it "being charitable". And believe me, considering runner_70s track record, I was being *very* charitable. I have other words for him, but they might cause serious psychological harm to any hardened longshoremen who might read this topic, so I'll refrain from writing them down in the interest of public health.DId Mummy let you use her computer again? Now go back to your basement |
SpaceGrey 09.09.2019 18:53 |
stevelondon20 wrote:Sorry mateSpaceGrey wrote: Recently I realized that I really like the song Scandal. Despite the fact that the author is not Freddy, but personally he conveyed so much feeling, passion and anger. It is felt.It's FREDDIE. Not freddy. |
Sebastian 09.09.2019 20:22 |
Actually, it's Frederick, off which 'Fred', 'Freddie' and 'Freddy' are all valid shortened forms. |
runner_70 09.09.2019 20:28 |
Sebastian wrote: Actually, it's Frederick, off which 'Fred', 'Freddie' and 'Freddy' are all valid shortened forms.Just when you called for the devil here he comes |
Golden Salmon 09.09.2019 20:36 |
^Regarding that...
runner_70 wrote: Seems like an attentions seeker like this annoying guy calling Freddie "Frederick".He referred to himself as Frederick, there is audio proof of it even. Kim Basinger too! |
runner_70 09.09.2019 20:37 |
Golden Salmon wrote: ^Regarding that...Yup ;) Nonetheless it was jokeyrunner_70 wrote: Seems like an attentions seeker like this annoying guy calling Freddie "Frederick".He referred to himself as Frederick. There is audio proof of it even. Kim Basinger too! |
Sascha1971 09.09.2019 21:17 |
In 1989 it was written, that they had a Collection of nearly 50 tracks to select the best for the Miracle. But it was never published, if they only got Fragments, ideas, Demos or nearly finished tracks got. |
stevelondon20 09.09.2019 21:41 |
SpaceGrey wrote:No worries Pal!stevelondon20 wrote:Sorry mateSpaceGrey wrote: Recently I realized that I really like the song Scandal. Despite the fact that the author is not Freddy, but personally he conveyed so much feeling, passion and anger. It is felt.It's FREDDIE. Not freddy. |
Stick 09.09.2019 21:53 |
Sebastian wrote: Actually, it's Frederick, off which 'Fred', 'Freddie' and 'Freddy' are all valid shortened forms.Right you are as always. Still don't understand the people who have a problem with this. Only motivation I can think of is being intimidated by intelligence that surpasses their own and that would be pretty childish in and of itself. But hey, thats the way people operate I suppose. |
SweetCarolina 09.09.2019 22:37 |
Its FreddIE nog FreddY thats why its so annoying.. Its John and no Jon Its Roger and no Rodger Its Brian and no Bryan Its not that difficult. |
Golden Salmon 09.09.2019 22:50 |
Sascha1971 wrote: In 1989 it was written, that they had a Collection of nearly 50 tracks to select the best for the Miracle. But it was never published, if they only got Fragments, ideas, Demos or nearly finished tracks got.Yeah, surely some stuff remains unknown, but material for The Miracle probably extends from around 1986 (origins) to about 1995 (MIH) and all of the solo proyects in between. Some stuff was reworked and many things were probably forgotten. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 10.09.2019 00:07 |
Did you remember they wanted to publish an lp or cd called Alternative the miracle? |
Wilki Amieva 10.09.2019 01:43 |
It was a CD. It was going to be called "Another Miracle". This was quickly shelved as work for Innuendo progressed. |
Apocalipsis_Darko 10.09.2019 03:31 |
Cd or LP if QP saw the opportunity (vinyl was still more strong than cd), don't try to be smarter than you are. See you next Tuesday. |
Vali 10.09.2019 12:03 |
I love The Miracle so this boxset will be more than welcome. Hope the "unreleased stuff" inside is generous. By the way,have any of you seen the upcoming Supergrass and Muse boxsets? their content and price? let's see how QPL manages this issue, but I foresee the comparison will hurt, once more. |
on my way up 10.09.2019 13:35 |
Well, what hurts most to me is that they DO have all kinds of gems in their archives: both studio and live stuff! It's beyond me why they do not offer a wealth of unheard stuff in those box sets. Let's hope this changes with this Miracle box (I think not though). If the NOTW box set would have included not 1 but 3 discs of studio rarities AND 4 complete soundboard shows (2 from the US and 2 from Europe, assuming they have Europe/UK soundboards) AND Houston on Blu ray/DVD, then I would gladly have paid 250 or 300 euro! So QPL, offer us good content (with MANY unheard stuff) and we'll pay good money, I'm sure (even moreso than what we pay now hahahahaha) |
cmsdrums 10.09.2019 15:34 |
Whilst there are clearly no live shows to accompany The Miracle, I wonder if perhaps there is any recordings of them playing any of the tracks live in the studio that could make the boxset? We already know that 'Innuendo' (the track) came together with them playing live together in the studio, and they'd previously recorded quite a bit of material live in the studio with David Bowie during the 'Under Pressure/Hot Space' sessions, so whilst unlikely they'd release it even if it exists, it COULD be possible; I Want It All and Headlong would easily lend themselves to them running through them as a four piece. |
dysan 10.09.2019 17:38 |
Agreed. If they just look at what is out there already and include that I'd be happy. I hope they don't do the usual 'it's not finished so lets keep it in the vault' as it's, without question, all fascinating. |
runner_70 10.09.2019 17:57 |
on my way up wrote: Well, what hurts most to me is that they DO have all kinds of gems in their archives: both studio and live stuff!Nobody knows what is in the vaults apart from GB and Jim Beach maybe |
dysan 10.09.2019 19:43 |
But the difference is, they don't know the value of it. Or at least one of them does, the other one is happy just to boast about it. We can perhaps conclude again that these projects start with good intentions but the 'estate' reject 90 percent of it. |
earwig 11.09.2019 03:19 |
'but the 'estate' reject 90 percent of it.' Yes, but as the artists, they're entitled to!! It's their body of work.... we, as the die hard fans, don't have an automatic right to have access to it. |
runner_70 11.09.2019 04:07 |
True and I Understand the Artist to not release something that is only halfway finished. As sad as that is for diehards |
darcy-wright 12.09.2019 02:44 |
bound to be the magical disc of instrumental versions and remixed crap of just vocals and drums etc... |
dysan 12.09.2019 06:50 |
earwig wrote: 'but the 'estate' reject 90 percent of it.' Yes, but as the artists, they're entitled to!! It's their body of work.... we, as the die hard fans, don't have an automatic right to have access to it.Yes of course I agree 100%. But they need to realise we've heard, and LOVE far worse than the Miracle out takes / demo. This isn't our first rodeo. |
Nathan H 12.09.2019 11:41 |
My prediction on what the box set will look like: Disc 1 - The Original Album Disc 2 - The Singles + Non-Album Songs 01. I Want It All (Single Version) 02. Hang On In There 03. Breakthru (Extended Version) 04. Stealin' 05. The Invisible Man (Extended Version) 06. Hijack My Heart 07. Scandal (Extended Version) 08. My Life Has Been Saved 09. Stone Cold Crazy (Live) 10. My Melancholy Blues (Live) 11. Chinese Torture Disc 3 - Raw Sessions Disc 1 Alternative versions, takes and demos of the original album (e.g. like News Of The World's Raw Sessions disc). Disc 4 - Raw Sessions Disc 2 Alternative versions, takes and demos of the non-album songs + unreleased songs. --. Hang On In There --. Hijack My Heart --. Stealin' (full length) --. My Life Has Been Saved --. Chinese Torture --. A New Life Is Born --. Brother Of Mine --. Dog With A Bone --. Face It Alone --. I Guess We're Falling Out --. Too Much Love Will Kill You Disc 5&6 (DVD & Blu-Ray) Promo videos + documentary (e.g. like Innuendo EPK - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQDZDsEoAyE) + re-edited making of videos feature + making of the cover feature. |
dysan 12.09.2019 11:43 |
I can't see them putting the Miracle live b-sides on it. But agree that general shape would be nice. |
Nathan H 12.09.2019 11:55 |
dysan wrote: I can't see them putting the Miracle live b-sides on it. But agree that general shape would be nice.To be honest, I don't either. I just added Stone Cold Crazy and My Melancholy Blues because they are good fillers! Queen will want a good number of tracks for that second disc if they were to do it and for it to be at least 40 minutes long because otherwise they could've combined the two discs. |
cmi 12.09.2019 13:07 |
^ All these predictions are absolutely useless, as all you can do is to count all previously released and some well-known unreleased stuff. You don't know anything about what is in the vaults and what can be done with it for such kind of release... ... and especially when you think that 1970's live material is the right choice for 1980's studio release. |
Toozeup 12.09.2019 13:37 |
I wouldn't get your hopes up for anything revelatory in the box set. If there were any decent unreleased tracks with finished lyrics and a great vocal take from Freddie, they would have been released by now. Would be nice to be proven wrong. Maybe Brian and Roger will add lead vocals to the demos in the places where Freddie is improvising. |
dysan 12.09.2019 13:49 |
But some of them are genuinely amazing. Face It Alone was haunting. I hope they keep them as intact as possible. |
Toozeup 12.09.2019 14:10 |
"I guess we're falling" has the best single potential imo, the lyrics are in a sketchy state though. Dog with a Bone is awful imo but i'd still be happy if it was included. |
Golden Salmon 12.09.2019 16:46 |
I really, really wouldn't get my hopes up like some people are doing here. Then again, going beyond what they did with NOTW is definitely doable. |
Rick 12.09.2019 17:33 |
Could be something great, but we all know they will f*ck it up one way or another. Either content-wise or price-wise. Or both. |
fruhzs 12.09.2019 17:33 |
Is this Box Set really happening? Or is it just speculation and rumors as of now? I’m a bit confused, since the thread grew a lot, if this is a really “a thing” already now. |
dysan 12.09.2019 18:28 |
If they fuck up something which is largely unfuckupable, I'll be staggered. Although they'd be wise to not have the back cover featured too much at the risk of casual shoppers vomiting over the stock. |
badboybez 12.09.2019 18:48 |
Can’t see a boxset happening |
dysan 12.09.2019 19:42 |
It's the same with Bowie - 2 very odd choices for albums that got the big boxset treatment: Station To Station (which had only 6 tracks on the original anyway and re did them over multiple discs) and Black Tie White Noise (from 1993 which I doubt any casual fan would know had a boxset). Just this week a 5 disc set of the 1969 'Space Oddity' (AKA) album was announced (fair dos - 50 years since his break through and a genuinely great overview of that era with 12 totally unreleased tracks on top of the previously unreleased demo material that has come out as vinyl only stuff throughout this year). Queen will now have NOTW (again fair enough it has 2 huge hits on it) and potentially The Miracle (a bona fide Pointless answer on a Queen round). Both artists have totally missed their key household name albums for the multidisc treatment. All I know is this latest Bowie one points to an 'eras' style set going forward focussing on a couple of years each. We know The Miracle has a wealth of stuff to include so is a good idea. It's nearly a decade since the 2011 reissues which while being a mixed bag, suggested we were finally in for some big treats. Or more fairly ANY movement on that front. We have had the easy wins already (BBC set, Rainbow box etc) so even the hint of this being discussed is great. And I'm the biggest cynic going. |
Nathan H 13.09.2019 06:13 |
dysan wrote: It's the same with Bowie - 2 very odd choices for albums that got the big boxset treatment: Station To Station (which had only 6 tracks on the original anyway and re did them over multiple discs) and Black Tie White Noise (from 1993 which I doubt any casual fan would know had a boxset). Just this week a 5 disc set of the 1969 'Space Oddity' (AKA) album was announced (fair dos - 50 years since his break through and a genuinely great overview of that era with 12 totally unreleased tracks on top of the previously unreleased demo material that has come out as vinyl only stuff throughout this year). Queen will now have NOTW (again fair enough it has 2 huge hits on it) and potentially The Miracle (a bona fide Pointless answer on a Queen round). Both artists have totally missed their key household name albums for the multidisc treatment. All I know is this latest Bowie one points to an 'eras' style set going forward focussing on a couple of years each. We know The Miracle has a wealth of stuff to include so is a good idea. It's nearly a decade since the 2011 reissues which while being a mixed bag, suggested we were finally in for some big treats. Or more fairly ANY movement on that front. We have had the easy wins already (BBC set, Rainbow box etc) so even the hint of this being discussed is great. And I'm the biggest cynic going.I definitely would have thought A Night At The Opera and The Game would've come before any other albums. Especially that both have at least two massive songs. |
cmsdrums 13.09.2019 07:58 |
Yes...cos I need to get ANATO for a 15th time in a slight format variant!! |
dudeofqueen 13.09.2019 10:05 |
dysan, re: >If they fuck up something which is largely unfuckupable, I'll be staggered. Cover art for live releases. Changing set lists on release from what was played on the night. Easily done by people that could care less. |
thomasquinn 32989 13.09.2019 17:11 |
Honestly, I will gladly settle for fucked up cover art on an otherwise great release - for instance, I think the Rainbow box is downright ugly, but I do really appreciate the set, even if there was *some* room for improvement. |
Freddie rey 13.09.2019 20:26 |
Greg Brooks just answer me about The Miracle Box. He said that they are talking about that just right now, just to see if is viable or not |
matt z 13.09.2019 21:02 |
The set should include better monopoly pieces for those who bought the silly game: Maybe: Captain Hook Cain & Abel Jimi Hendrix And the Tower Of Babel Just saying.... |
dysan 13.09.2019 22:16 |
cmsdrums wrote: Yes...cos I need to get ANATO for a 15th time in a slight format variant!!Misjudged comment removed and apologised for. |
Day dop 14.09.2019 04:54 |
dysan wrote:What's with the comments about people's mums?cmsdrums wrote: Yes...cos I need to get ANATO for a 15th time in a slight format variant!!Like I had your mum 15 times Are you not aware that there could be someone on this forum who is in the process of losing their mum? Or you could reply that to someone who's mum has passed away? You'd have to be pretty low to be entertained by doing that. |
dysan 14.09.2019 05:34 |
I weighed all this up and went with it. You are totally correct and I withdraw the joke. |
dudeofqueen 14.09.2019 09:26 |
dysan, re: >Like I had your mum 15 times Puerile. Any news on how yours is recovering? |
Anton3283 11.11.2019 12:01 |
I don’t think that they will want to empty the whole archive in order to release all the demos from The Miracle album |
SpaceGrey 19.01.2020 13:11 |
runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapOdd? are you drunk? The Miracle is a great choice because so many unreleased songs waits the light of day |
runner_70 19.01.2020 15:50 |
SpaceGrey wrote:Nearly all of the songs are on youtube. And these ain't the most exciting. Odd - yes because The Miracle is one of their weakest albums. Why don't they use Innuendo or a Live Killers box. Miracle is the last album that comes to my mind that deserves a boxset.runner_70 wrote: 2019 marks the 30th anniversary. Still an odd choice as it is not regarded as a classic album. Has some great songs but also lots of their worst ever. My baby does me , Rain must fall, Khashoggis ship and Party are crapOdd? are you drunk? The Miracle is a great choice because so many unreleased songs waits the light of day And no I am not drunk you fuckwhit |
runner_70 19.01.2020 15:53 |
Anton3283 wrote: I don’t think that they will want to empty the whole archive in order to release all the demos from The Miracle albumWe will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fund |
SpaceGrey 19.01.2020 19:16 |
runner_70 wrote:Oh lord!!!!!!Anton3283 wrote: I don’t think that they will want to empty the whole archive in order to release all the demos from The Miracle albumWe will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fund |
Dim 24.01.2020 09:31 |
The miracle will be promoted as the time when Freddie told the band about his illness, the album when the band were like one unit again, (family etc as the movie suggests haha ??), so the will try to attract the public as the continuetion of Queen after the movie's end. Anyway if it is the case songs like Was all worth it, The Miracle, Scandal and unreleased songs like Face it alone will be promoted. I think that is good move to release the miracle box. |
flash00. 25.01.2020 20:30 |
runner_70 wrote:Anton3283 wrote: I don’t think that they will want to empty the whole archive in order to release all the demos from The Miracle albumWe will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fund |
SpaceGrey 26.01.2020 07:39 |
Dim wrote: The miracle will be promoted as the time when Freddie told the band about his illness, the album when the band were like one unit again, (family etc as the movie suggests haha ??), so the will try to attract the public as the continuetion of Queen after the movie's end. Anyway if it is the case songs like Was all worth it, The Miracle, Scandal and unreleased songs like Face it alone will be promoted. I think that is good move to release the miracle box.lol |
brENsKi 26.01.2020 09:40 |
runner_70 wrote:We will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fundyou'd have to hope that whatever is already in the wild, must exist in the archive in better format/condition. As for the €110 per-item Maylor Pension Fund comment: I know it was tongue in cheek - on your part, but for the uninitiated, it's probably worth mentioning that the split will be equal. The four band members or estates will receive a 14-18% cut of any sales. So, on each sale (of your suggested retail price of €110) the artist will receive €17.60 - which equates to €4.40 per band member. Once you factor in income tax we're looking at around €2.00 per band member. It'd literally be a "miracle" if they managed to sell the staggering number of Miracle Boxes required for a significant boost to their pension funds. Artists have not got any richer from record sales for at least two decades. In the 80s it was "home taping is killing music", then in the 90s CDRs and CD-writers saw home copying explode. The birth of internet downloads was the final nail in the coffin. Early on, through Napster, Audiogalaxy etc and the last decade; through streaming and torrents. I won't go into writer's royalties - as the percentage is usually a small fraction of 1% of individual songs. |
SpaceGrey 26.01.2020 10:21 |
brENsKi wrote:As they themselves said, they get more money from concert performances than from album recordings.runner_70 wrote:We will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fundyou'd have to hope that whatever is already in the wild, must exist in the archive in better format/condition. As for the €110 per-item Maylor Pension Fund comment: I know it was tongue in cheek - on your part, but for the uninitiated, it's probably worth mentioning that the split will be equal. The four band members or estates will receive a 14-18% cut of any sales. So, on each sale (of your suggested retail price of €110) the artist will receive €17.60 - which equates to €4.40 per band member. Once you factor in income tax we're looking at around €2.00 per band member. It'd literally be a "miracle" if they managed to sell the staggering number of Miracle Boxes required for a significant boost to their pension funds. Artists have not got any richer from record sales for at least two decades. In the 80s it was "home taping is killing music", then in the 90s CDRs and CD-writers saw home copying explode. The birth of internet downloads was the final nail in the coffin. Early on, through Napster, Audiogalaxy etc and the last decade; through streaming and torrents. I won't go into writer's royalties - as the percentage is usually a small fraction of 1% of individual songs. What about The Miracle box set: As for the box set: I do not have high hopes that everything will be there that is in the archive for this album. Remembering what form got the NOTW box set I sure that this album will be released in the same way. Despite the fact that I liked The Raw Sessions from this box set, I still think it's not enough. |
SpaceGrey 26.01.2020 10:23 |
SpaceGrey wrote:brENsKi wrote:What about The Miracle box set: As for the box set: I do not have high hopes that everything will be there that is in the archive for this album. Remembering what form got the NOTW box set I sure that this album will be released in the same way. Despite the fact that I liked The Raw Sessions from this box set, I still think it's not enough.runner_70 wrote:We will get all those songs widely available on you tube - most probably in inferior quality. And maybe May will throw in a Miracle balloon. That's all for 150 Euro. 110 from that go directly into the Maylor pension fundyou'd have to hope that whatever is already in the wild, must exist in the archive in better format/condition. As for the €110 per-item Maylor Pension Fund comment: I know it was tongue in cheek - on your part, but for the uninitiated, it's probably worth mentioning that the split will be equal. The four band members or estates will receive a 14-18% cut of any sales. So, on each sale (of your suggested retail price of €110) the artist will receive €17.60 - which equates to €4.40 per band member. Once you factor in income tax we're looking at around €2.00 per band member. It'd literally be a "miracle" if they managed to sell the staggering number of Miracle Boxes required for a significant boost to their pension funds. Artists have not got any richer from record sales for at least two decades. In the 80s it was "home taping is killing music", then in the 90s CDRs and CD-writers saw home copying explode. The birth of internet downloads was the final nail in the coffin. Early on, through Napster, Audiogalaxy etc and the last decade; through streaming and torrents. I won't go into writer's royalties - as the percentage is usually a small fraction of 1% of individual songs. |
brENsKi 26.01.2020 10:37 |
SpaceGrey wrote:What about The Miracle box set: As for the box set: I do not have high hopes that everything will be there that is in the archive for this album. Remembering what form got the NOTW box set I sure that this album will be released in the same way.Well of course not. No band ever releases everything. Look at the Purple, Rainbow, Zep and Beatles releases: sure there's loads - but probably not even 25% of what there is. Why would bands release everything? This is only of interest to the absolute completist and a box like that would run to £000s SpaceGrey wrote:Despite the fact that I liked The Raw Sessions from this box set, I still think it's not enough.The Miracle is a a good choice for a box - simply because of the wealth/volume of recorded material available. Raw Sessions tend to be used when there's not sufficient to justify a full boxset. |
SpaceGrey 26.01.2020 10:52 |
brENsKi wrote:It's hard to argue with your opinion on this matter.SpaceGrey wrote:What about The Miracle box set: As for the box set: I do not have high hopes that everything will be there that is in the archive for this album. Remembering what form got the NOTW box set I sure that this album will be released in the same way.Well of course not. No band ever releases everything. Look at the Purple, Rainbow, Zep and Beatles releases: sure there's loads - but probably not even 25% of what there is. Why would bands release everything? This is only of interest to the absolute completist and a box like that would run to £000sSpaceGrey wrote:Despite the fact that I liked The Raw Sessions from this box set, I still think it's not enough.The Miracle is a a good choice for a box - simply because of the wealth/volume of recorded material available. Raw Sessions tend to be used when there's not sufficient to justify a full boxset. I understand that it makes no sense to ask or be interested in how you see the upcoming box set, since it will still not be what we would like to see and hear, but nevertheless, I’m interested in your opinion. |
brENsKi 26.01.2020 11:19 |
SpaceGrey wrote:It's hard to argue with your opinion on this matter. I understand that it makes no sense to ask or be interested in how you see the upcoming box set, since it will still not be what we would like to see and hear, but nevertheless, I’m interested in your opinion.It's a tough one to guess. Depends on how big and bold they want to go. I could see either a 4 or 5 disc set. The covers being the individual faces used for the four-headed cover used on discs 2-5 1. Original Recording - remastered 2020. 2. 12" mixes and instrumentals 3. Demos and outtakes of album cuts 4. Unused/unfinished tracks 5. DVD - video shoot bloopers and outtakes / misc recording session filming? |
SpaceGrey 26.01.2020 11:27 |
brENsKi wrote:Thank you. Wow. But I doubt that The Miracle will be remastered again since 2011 but who knows.SpaceGrey wrote:It's hard to argue with your opinion on this matter. I understand that it makes no sense to ask or be interested in how you see the upcoming box set, since it will still not be what we would like to see and hear, but nevertheless, I’m interested in your opinion.It's a tough one to guess. Depends on how big and bold they want to go. I could see either a 4 or 5 disc set. The covers being the individual faces used for the four-headed cover used on discs 2-5 1. Original Recording - remastered 2020. 2. 12" mixes and instrumentals 3. Demos and outtakes of album cuts 4. Unused/unfinished tracks 5. DVD - video shoot bloopers and outtakes / misc recording session filming? I would add a CD with raw sessions, as is the case with the News Of The World album. |
brENsKi 26.01.2020 11:56 |
SpaceGrey wrote:Thank you. Wow. But I doubt that The Miracle will be remastered again since 2011 but who knows. I would add a CD with raw sessions, as is the case with the News Of The World album.I found that the remasters sounded great upto and including NOTW. 9 years isn't too short a time for a remaster - especially when you consider that the 2011 remasters did suffer in some places due to compression and loudness. |
Michael Scapp 28.01.2020 16:58 |
Unused/unfinished tracks? God help us all |
brENsKi 28.01.2020 18:08 |
Michael Scapp wrote: Unused/unfinished tracks? God help us allso you hated Made In Heaven, then? |
Anton3283 29.01.2020 05:28 |
brENsKi wrote:I think yesMichael Scapp wrote: Unused/unfinished tracks? God help us allso you hated Made In Heaven, then? |
Anton3283 29.01.2020 05:29 |
New dates QAL added on June and I’m afraid tha the miracle box set will be cancelled |
matt z 29.01.2020 14:52 |
The one thing... (The one thing) We're all waaiting for, Is a QUEEEEEN ANTHOLOGY Before we're DEEEAAAADDD or Poor! It's a miracle we need! |
Negative Creep 29.01.2020 16:18 |
brENsKi wrote: I found that the remasters sounded great upto and including NOTW. 9 years isn't too short a time for a remaster - especially when you consider that the 2011 remasters did suffer in some places due to compression and loudness.My issue with the remasters is that they've barely been EQ'd and there's barely any low end and that they're so inconsistent. For instance, Queen II's dynamics are pretty much intact but Innuendo has got from being probably the quietest (and limpest sounding) original CD issue to being the loudest. How does ONE remastering campaign result in completely different mastering styles, when they're apparently all done by the same highly regarded mastering engineer? |
brENsKi 29.01.2020 16:59 |
Negative Creep wrote:and weren't these Bob Ludwig remasters? His remasters are usually great.brENsKi wrote:I found that the remasters sounded great upto and including NOTW. 9 years isn't too short a time for a remaster - especially when you consider that the 2011 remasters did suffer in some places due to compression and loudness.My issue with the remasters is that they've barely been EQ'd and there's barely any low end and that they're so inconsistent. For instance, Queen II's dynamics are pretty much intact but Innuendo has got from being probably the quietest (and limpest sounding) original CD issue to being the loudest. How does ONE remastering campaign result in completely different mastering styles, when they're apparently all done by the same highly regarded mastering engineer? |
matt z 29.01.2020 21:02 |
I've heard second generation remaster of HITMAN and it brought up levels (individual tonal characteristics) to noticeable but not protruding prominence. Keys and stuff that was mostly buried in equal threshold bass /perc levels. It sounded like each instrument was given respectful clarity without compromising the entire track |
Anton3283 30.01.2020 04:25 |
matt z wrote: I've heard second generation remaster of HITMAN and it brought up levels (individual tonal characteristics) to noticeable but not protruding prominence. Keys and stuff that was mostly buried in equal threshold bass /perc levels. It sounded like each instrument was given respectful clarity without compromising the entire trackWhen? Where/ How? Are you joking? |
Future Manager 30.01.2020 11:47 |
Miracle is a decent album, but it lacked one or two ballads and the production is very late eighties which doesn't age as well. I'm looking forward to the outtakes etc. As for more remastering, Queen doesn't really need more remasters if you ask me. There's only so much you can with the original mixes. What I would really like are modern remixes like the ones Steve Wilson did for Yes. Then you can finally 'fix' the albums that have dated or muddled production (my first target would be Jazz). Just listen to The Hero Revisited on the 2011 Flash Gordon bonus EP for an example of what can be done. The difference is night and day. |
dudeofqueen 30.01.2020 15:36 |
Future Manager, re: >Then you can finally 'fix' the albums that have dated or muddled production No, you can't. A turd is a turd, regardless of how hard you polish the fucking thing - if what's on the TAPE isn't great, it'll always be just what's on the tape in a shinier wrapper. Try to get Roger back in to re-record live drums and THEN you may have the start of something. |
runner_70 30.01.2020 19:57 |
If you have the multitracks you can do pretty much anything these days. THe STeven WIlson remixes were mentioned already. |
The Real Wizard 30.01.2020 20:46 |
Future Manager wrote: There's only so much you can with the original mixes. What I would really like are modern remixes like the ones Steve Wilson did for Yes. Then you can finally 'fix' the albums that have dated or muddled production (my first target would be Jazz). Just listen to The Hero Revisited on the 2011 Flash Gordon bonus EP for an example of what can be done. The difference is night and day.Bang on. Steven Wilson is a great example. And the new version of Momentary Lapse Of Reason on the latest Pink Floyd box set is a million times better now that it has parts played by the actual members of Floyd instead of session guys, as well as doing away with most of the dated 80s production. Remastering does yield some improvements, but in this day and age of the loudness war they just sound sonically terrible most of the time. Remixes tend to be far more interesting, and as an added bonus they are labours of love to the point that they won't even fire up the outboard limiters to begin with. |
The Real Wizard 30.01.2020 20:47 |
dudeofqueen wrote: A turd is a turd, regardless of how hard you polish the fucking thing - if what's on the TAPE isn't great, it'll always be just what's on the tape in a shinier wrapper.But what if what was on the tape is great but the mix was hastily done, like The Beatles stereo mixes between 1965-68? The Giles Martin mixes are leaps and bounds better purely on making more use of the stereo field alone, never mind EQ. The same goes for the 1999 mix of Yellow Submarine. Compare Steven Wilson's mix of Chicago II to the original. His is light years better. EQ can do pretty incredible things nowadays. Someone here did a fan mix of Queen II a few years back, and the difference is night and day. By isolating certain frequencies he managed to pull out entire parts that were completely buried previously. And that was just from using the stereo mix, not the 16 track masters. The technology absolutely does exist to "polish a turd" as it were. The advent of automation alone made a massive difference in how well a mix could be done. That said, a poor mix can all come down to who's behind the mixing desk. There are countless variables at play, either in 1967 or in 2020. And if all this continues to not make sense to you despite the numerous examples and context provided, then either you aren't a recording engineer, you're a shitty one, or you're just being a contrarian for the sake of being one. |
brENsKi 30.01.2020 22:11 |
The Real Wizard wrote:and the production in general.dudeofqueen wrote: A turd is a turd, regardless of how hard you polish the fucking thing - if what's on the TAPE isn't great, it'll always be just what's on the tape in a shinier wrapper.The technology absolutely does exist to "polish a turd" as it were. The advent of automation alone made a massive difference in how well a mix could be done. That said, a poor mix can all come down to who's behind the mixing desk. There are countless variables at play, either in 1967 or in 2020. you only have to listen to the crisp clear sound - esp drums, on those first FOUR Cars LPs. who was behind it all? Roy Thomas Baker. At the same time the Queen sound went thin and wispy, the Cars were sounding clean, crisp and immediate. |
cmsdrums 01.02.2020 09:29 |
The Ludwig remaster of ‘I Can’t Live With You’ from Innuendo has the e-drum fill at the very start brought right up in level and punch, but then it loses all the ‘oomph’ when the rest of the track comes in - that is pretty poorly mastered, and as if they ran a filter over it whilst they went for a cuppa and then didn’t listen to it again! |
Dim 01.02.2020 10:49 |
I thought the drums sound on ICLWY was done by using a computer program and orchestrated by Brian. |
earwig 01.02.2020 15:43 |
Don't confuse remixing and remastering folks!! The two things AREN'T interchangeable... |
brENsKi 01.02.2020 17:23 |
earwig wrote:Don't confuse remixing and remastering folks!! The two things AREN'T interchangeable...exactly. mix/remix - has all of the individual elements in separate form. these can be edited, tweaked - adjustments and enhancements can be applied to individual tracks. master/remaster - is done from a mixdown of a finished stereo mix. therefore, any adjustments change everything - to the same degree. you can remaster over and over - Thriller (for example) has been remastered several times. you cannot remix a master/remaster cart and horse, basically |
SpaceGrey 01.02.2020 19:15 |
I think it will not be so important whether the studio album as part of the box set will be remastered. News Of The World is not remastered, and it works and in fact, no one asked this do. |
SpaceGrey 01.02.2020 19:21 |
I wonder will we see someday Queen I,II,Sheer Heart Attack,ANATO,ADATR,Jazz,The Game,Hot Space and so on as box set |
dudeofqueen 01.02.2020 20:20 |
Officer Clawhauser, re: Doughnuts all ok today chap? Good. >And if all this continues to not make sense to you despite the numerous examples and context provided Revisionist. In much the same way as the Bo Rhap movie fiasco tampered with the reality of the band's history, a "night and day" change to a piece of art makes it a *DIFFERENT* piece of art by anyone's (especially your own, highly flexible) standards. QPL Press Release (Manufactured by Phil Symes in conjunction with officer of the law and self-proclaimed authority The (ahem) Real Wizard) Here we are, boys and girls. The Miracle - as you've always wanted to hear it. We decided that what Queen released in 1989 was, frankly, a pile of old shit, so we've polished it up, turned it upside down and popped a dress on it so that it's what SHOULD Have been issued way back then. Peter Freestone has gone on record as saying "I know for a fact that Freddie thought this album was a stroke of sonic genius; in fact, when he heard Roger's programmed drums, he immediately rushed to the phone, called Roger up and said "Darling, this is ground-breeaking. My dear old thing, I think you've set a new standard. The modern-day Gene Krupa, you naughty thing you!" however, we all knew differently and Paul Gambaccini had to be held back with a bungee rope and the promise of an 18 year old Belgian boy from telling Fred." So, have a listen to what someone ELSE reckons The Miracle should sound like - after all, Fred's pushed up daisies for years now and the monkeys can do what the fuck they like so long as it's not boring, eh!? |
cmsdrums 01.02.2020 22:17 |
brENsKi wrote:Not strictly true - during the mastering process of a stereo track you can set EQ adjustments to only certain frequencies so others are not affected...for example, they want to boost a bass part that is at 120hz in the track...they can do so without boosting, for example, the cymbals which will only cover a much higher frequency range.earwig wrote:Don't confuse remixing and remastering folks!! The two things AREN'T interchangeable...master/remaster - is done from a mixdown of a finished stereo mix. therefore, any adjustments change everything.... |
Anton3283 02.02.2020 07:49 |
The Miracle box set will be released in October, press release will be on Freddie's Birthday.I dunno why, but I sure of it |
brENsKi 02.02.2020 09:11 |
cmsdrums wrote:I take your point. but, my point was really that with remastering you have two (stereo) finished tracks to work with. therefore, any frequency change will alter everything at the same frequency.brENsKi wrote:Not strictly true - during the mastering process of a stereo track you can set EQ adjustments to only certain frequencies so others are not affected...for example, they want to boost a bass part that is at 120hz in the track...they can do so without boosting, for example, the cymbals which will only cover a much higher frequency range.earwig wrote:Don't confuse remixing and remastering folks!! The two things AREN'T interchangeable...mix/remix - has all of the individual elements in separate form. these can be edited, tweaked - adjustments and enhancements can be applied to individual tracks. master/remaster - is done from a mixdown of a finished stereo mix. therefore, any adjustments change everything - to the same degree. i've re-pasted my post so it can be seen in context - it was a distinction between the two processes. |
Jake12 02.02.2020 16:49 |
I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be done |
runner_70 02.02.2020 19:13 |
Jake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be doneLMIYHA was partly rerecorded |
Anton3283 03.02.2020 05:32 |
runner_70 wrote:For the first time I agree with youJake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be doneLMIYHA was partly rerecorded |
runner_70 03.02.2020 05:33 |
There you go. You should do that more often |
Anton3283 03.02.2020 05:45 |
runner_70 wrote: There you go. You should do that more oftenIt’s up to you |
Jake12 03.02.2020 17:23 |
Ahh yes that’s right! Completely forgot! |
cmsdrums 03.02.2020 20:23 |
runner_70 wrote:I must agree that the drums and bass on LMIYHA sound a lot better than the rest of The Works material, and show how a remix could make some of the albums (certainly Queen, The Works and AKOM) sound better. However, as much as it could improve them, remixed releases would be a waste of time for me.Jake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be doneLMIYHA was partly rerecorded |
runner_70 03.02.2020 20:40 |
cmsdrums wrote:Pretty pointless doing a remix as an album is a snapshot of a place in timerunner_70 wrote:I must agree that the drums and bass on LMIYHA sound a lot better than the rest of The Works material, and show how a remix could make some of the albums (certainly Queen, The Works and AKOM) sound better. However, as much as it could improve them, remixed releases would be a waste of time for me.Jake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be doneLMIYHA was partly rerecorded |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 22:06 |
runner_70 wrote:Pretty pointless doing a remix as an album is a snapshot of a place in timeagreed. the remix concept only works, if some of the "programmed" stuff - bass, drums etc are re-recorded with actual instruments. then a remix might actually yield something worthwhile. |
runner_70 03.02.2020 22:28 |
you would always lose the feeling - impossible to recreate.... |
brENsKi 03.02.2020 22:47 |
runner_70 wrote:you would always lose the feeling - impossible to recreate....accepted. but I think I could live with losing the authenticity if it meant also losing the horrible synthesised instruments of the 80s LPs. HS, Works and AKOM particularly, sound a bit hollow. it's weird I know, but the "fake" instruments used - even on vinyl seem to remove the "analogue warmth" from the playback. |
runner_70 03.02.2020 23:05 |
brENsKi wrote:But you cannot take the 80's out of the 80's. Thats what they wanted to do with Mr Bad Guy and it did not work imorunner_70 wrote:you would always lose the feeling - impossible to recreate....accepted. but I think I could live with losing the authenticity if it meant also losing the horrible synthesised instruments of the 80s LPs. HS, Works and AKOM particularly, sound a bit hollow. it's weird I know, but the "fake" instruments used - even on vinyl seem to remove the "analogue warmth" from the playback. |
brENsKi 04.02.2020 07:01 |
runner_70 wrote:to a large extent you can. because those synth bass and drums were very much an "80s thing". remove those and you have a sound that could be of whichever decade the new production/remixing is geared toward.brENsKi wrote:But you cannot take the 80's out of the 80's. Thats what they wanted to do with Mr Bad Guy and it did not work imorunner_70 wrote:you would always lose the feeling - impossible to recreate....accepted. but I think I could live with losing the authenticity if it meant also losing the horrible synthesised instruments of the 80s LPs. HS, Works and AKOM particularly, sound a bit hollow. it's weird I know, but the "fake" instruments used - even on vinyl seem to remove the "analogue warmth" from the playback. |
cmsdrums 04.02.2020 19:20 |
runner_70 wrote:Agreed - which I why I said it would be a waste of time!cmsdrums wrote:Pretty pointless doing a remix as an album is a snapshot of a place in timerunner_70 wrote:I must agree that the drums and bass on LMIYHA sound a lot better than the rest of The Works material, and show how a remix could make some of the albums (certainly Queen, The Works and AKOM) sound better. However, as much as it could improve them, remixed releases would be a waste of time for me.Jake12 wrote: I think remixing needs to be redone on almost every album.. I honestly want the albums to sound similar to Let Me In Your Heart Again. Yes i understand a lot of people don’t like the sound of it, but I do! It just sounds so fresh and modern. That’s what I think should be doneLMIYHA was partly rerecorded |
SpaceGrey 05.02.2020 18:09 |
GB says that work on box set going slowly |
RS_Protos 05.02.2020 21:32 |
^means end of the year if it actually happens |
runner_70 05.02.2020 21:45 |
SpaceGrey wrote: GB says that work on box set going slowlyNo wonder as he followed Lamebird in Japan |
Anton3283 06.02.2020 07:16 |
I won’t be surprised at all if I guess we’re falling out, my baby loves me, face it alone won’t be released . I think that this the main reason why work on box set going slowly! |
Hutchence 06.02.2020 13:32 |
SpaceGrey, what's the source of this GB's comment ? |
Anton3283 06.02.2020 15:27 |
Hutchence wrote: SpaceGrey, what's the source of this GB's comment ?Mine |
Anton3283 06.02.2020 15:27 |
Hutchence wrote: SpaceGrey, what's the source of this GB's comment ?Mine |
EDWOOD 07.02.2020 00:50 |
You would think that having an archivist for what? 20 years? QP would have at least catalogued ALL tracks, all versions of songs, outtakes, unreleased tracks etc. Gone through the very acetate, tape and record from all the recording sessions they did (from 1970 including any pre-Queen material that existed up to the Made In Heaven sessions from 1993-94?). I do not know why it would take too long to sort out work for one album when all the material should already be sorted, collated and ready to put together. Can you imagine how long it would take if they tried doing something on the scale of the 2 Pink Floyd sets (early and late boxsets with 27 CDs in each!) Unless as some have stated Greg doesn’t have access to all the tapes and still has to wait to go through most of it when Brian or someone else in QP decides he can look at it! Another reason could be they are doing what they did on the NOTW boxset and combining versions of alternate tracks as An Alternative Miracle album? |
Anton3283 04.10.2020 11:18 |
It's a shame to know that the release of this box set has been postponed. Don't wait either this year or even next. |