| Star* 19.08.2019 17:54 |
We all know Freddie gets the big screen treatment at Queen gigs these days but Brian & Roger do not honour John Deacon, so why is that? John has every right to be mentioned and he was after all a brilliant bass player and a valuable member of Queen plus he has wrote some amazing songs. |
| mariah carey 19.08.2019 17:59 |
Maybe he doesn't want to be mentioned? |
| rockchic65 19.08.2019 18:48 |
^^^ this. Brian has posted about his birthday on all his social media so they still think of him but maybe he doesn't want including in the shows, he likes to stay private and also Freddie died but John retired by choice so it's not quite the same thing. Just my impression. |
| dysan 19.08.2019 19:09 |
He also appeared on footage projected on the backdrop when I saw them and got a big cheer. Brian also played a solo YMBF. He is remembered. |
| Nathan H 19.08.2019 20:49 |
I'm still really surprised that they don't play You're My Best Friend at Q+AL concerts especially when it's one of Queen's most played songs - it still has regular plays globally including the UK and US. |
| HelloDelilah 19.08.2019 21:21 |
Yeah, you’re right, You’re My Best Friend is a fantastic song. Love it A LOT!! |
| stevelondon20 19.08.2019 21:31 |
At the 02 a few years back when they played TATDOOL, I remember the montage. He got a huge cheer when he appeared on the screen. |
| The Real Wizard 20.08.2019 01:09 |
dysan wrote: He also appeared on footage projected on the backdrop when I saw them and got a big cheer. Brian also played a solo YMBF. He is remembered.Ah yes, back in 2012. That was kind of neat - at each Hammersmith show he did a different tune before LOML. |
| Jimmy Dean 20.08.2019 04:38 |
JACK OFF wrote: We all know Freddie gets the big screen treatment at Queen gigs these days but Brian & Roger do not honour John Deacon, so why is that? John has every right to be mentioned and he was after all a brilliant bass player and a valuable member of Queen plus he has wrote some amazing songs.Why do they have to honor John? he quit. they honor Freddie because he died. in general culture - we honor the dead. and we usually don't give the spotlight to those who turn their backs on us. in terms of his legacy, he should be remembered - but not at the shows. |
| HelloDelilah 20.08.2019 05:36 |
The Real Wizard, it was endearing to see Brian engaging with the audience in the sing along like how Freddie did. I watched a couple of shows (7/12 and 7/14/2012). Thanks for the tip! |
| Star* 20.08.2019 07:18 |
jimmy DEAN If the Queen family is as close as they say it is then John should be remembered and in light that he is not a well man he is still suffering depression and May & Taylor have sad some nasty things about John in the past. He was still a very valuable member of Queen. |
| Jimmy Dean 20.08.2019 12:14 |
The queen family was close in the 70s, 80s.... not today. And you mention depression however, that is only speculation. If John Deacon instead added some insight as to whether he was diagnosed with depression that would change the game a bit. Queen could be a pillar of hope for not only aids but for depression as well. Whether John Deacon has depression or not is a private matter. John Deacon values his privacy. It would be inconsiderate of the band to constantly pay tribute in the same was as they do for Freddie when John himself did not agree with continuing the band after 1997 whereas Freddie has allegedly given his blessing. “just don’t make me boring”, or whatever that quote was. So for ongoing shows I believe just mentioning John in the context of songs is adequate. But in terms of their history, legacy - John was 1/4 of the band no more no less. |
| Negative Creep 20.08.2019 12:21 |
I remember seeing "Queen" + Paul Rodgers, and when they were showing old images of the band on the big screen, they were kind of zoomed in and went from one side to the other and it cut off before it would have shown John. I didn't imagine that. |
| Jimmy Dean 20.08.2019 15:33 |
that's definitely disrespectful if it were the case. Although, i imagine they were probably not happy with John's decision to not join them at that time. They've obviously softened their stance in recent years. |
| Wiley 21.08.2019 02:12 |
John was most definitely featured in archive video when they played These Are The Days Of Our Lives during the Q+PR 2005 tour. The audience cheered every time. I don't know if this changed in the Q+AL shows since I've only seen then in the U.S. and they never play that song stateside. |
| stevelondon20 21.08.2019 06:30 |
Wiley wrote: John was most definitely featured in archive video when they played These Are The Days Of Our Lives during the Q+PR 2005 tour. The audience cheered every time. I don't know if this changed in the Q+AL shows since I've only seen then in the U.S. and they never play that song stateside.Echoing what I said above. The crowd let out a massive cheer when he appeared on screen. |
| Nathan H 21.08.2019 06:56 |
The thing I found interesting was is that Brian celebrated John's birthday a lot on Instagram - he had a couple of photos of John and even a short video of John speaking. Roger didn't even mention that it was John's birthday at all. |
| Star* 21.08.2019 10:26 |
Roger has turned in to a grumpy old arrogant git, sad cos when he was younger he was a canny lad. |
| Rick 21.08.2019 13:07 |
Because Brian and Roger don't care about John. Not really, anyway. |
| cmsdrums 21.08.2019 14:44 |
Dual post |
| cmsdrums 21.08.2019 14:47 |
Miracle. wrote: jimmy DEAN If the Queen family is as close as they say it is then John should be remembered and in light that he is not a well man he is still suffering depression and May & Taylor have sad some nasty things about John in the past. He was still a very valuable member of Queen.I don''t agree that they've said anything nasty....yes, they (especially Roger!) have come out with the odd spur of the moment quip ('he still like receiving the cheques!'), but really anything else they've said (addressing John's fragile state of mind, for example) has always been in direct response to very specific questions and probing in interviews - it's not as though they actively throw their thoughts on John in without any prompt. And even then they've been quite respectful, thoughtful and restrained in their responses, referencing the quality of his playing, writing, and essentially confirming that he's chosen to withdraw from 'that world' and the interviewer would have to ask John himself if they want any more info. They can't win - if they don't mention him then they get accused of blanking him, but if they do refer to him then people say 'why don't they leave John alone?' I've worked with some brilliant, wonderful people over the last 30 years, but many of them aren't in my day-to-day life anymore, but if asked or reminded about them I'll often come up with a remembrance or a remark about them with no ill feeling - that's pretty much what you get here. |
| Star* 22.08.2019 18:44 |
what gets me annoyed is Brian and Roger have only referred to John with sarcastic comments. Brian saying "oh Johns delicate and the music scene was too much for him" Roger saying John is a "sociopath" They never say he was a brilliant bass player and song writer do they? |
| dysan 22.08.2019 20:07 |
Yes they do. We've done this several times before. |
| Star* 23.08.2019 16:17 |
when was the last time they said John was a brilliant songwriter and bass player then? 20 years ago or what? |
| cmsdrums 23.08.2019 17:34 |
A couple of days ago on Brian’s Instagram, for John’s birthday, he literally labelled him “the best”. Good enough? |
| Star* 24.08.2019 10:27 |
Well that is a start but Deacon deserves so much more respect from May & Taylor who probably think more of Lambert than a guy who played bass with them over 21 years ! |
| Holly2003 24.08.2019 12:01 |
Miracle. wrote: Well that is a start but Deacon deserves so much more respect from May & Taylor who probably think more of Lambert than a guy who played bass with them over 21 years !It really wouldn't matter what evidence was presented to you as once you have an idea bouncing around in the mostly empty space between your ears it sticks there no matter what. |
| rockchic65 24.08.2019 16:04 |
Miracle. wrote: Well that is a start but Deacon deserves so much more respect from May & Taylor who probably think more of Lambert than a guy who played bass with them over 21 years !You should take a trawl through Brian's instagram for the few days or so, he posted happy birthday to John and was clearly feeling nostalgic since he went looking for a particular corner where the four of them had a photo and found the spot to take another one on his own and captioned it "I've lost my mates" then posted one with Roger and captioned it "I found one of my mates" and as cms drums said he also called John the greatest, not really sure how much more anyone could expect from him tbh. It's very possible John doesn't want to keep in touch with them so my question is if a colleague you worked with for years cut you out of their life how long would you keep paying respect to them and getting nothing back? It's easy to say they're not giving John respect but John has withdrawn from any public connection to them or his life in the band and no one really knows the reason so I personally give them the benefit of the doubt in the absence of John publicly declaring what his thoughts are. |
| dysan 24.08.2019 16:25 |
I'm not sure there are any work colleagues I keep in touch with and keep talking to strangers about from what 25 years ago? |
| HelloDelilah 24.08.2019 19:51 |
rockchic65, I saw those posts too. Brian constantly makes conscious efforts to include both Freddie and John in whenever and wherever he can and even travelled to Zanzibar right before the North American Rhapsody tour, reflecting and remembering Freddie. They are definitely not forgotten. Perhaps people took it out of context when Brian or Roger make comments esp Brian when he made that comment about Adam can do the same... He didn't seem malicious about it but I realize others will disagree. And I'm not even an Adam fan. :) dysan, I don't keep in touch with work colleagues from 25 years ago either, but it seems as the band was like a family as they toured all over the world for months at a time but at the same time, they didn't get into each other's personal lives. John seems to just want his privacy and cut everyone out of his life from that time. :( |
| dysan 25.08.2019 08:12 |
Bands look outwardly like a family yes, but it is a job. It isn't a magical fantasy it's people working very hard to make money and having meetings about budgets and HR issues. We know that relationships were fraught from the early 80s - really only having their lifespan extended in any meaningful way due to ill health. After the fallout John was able to do what he probably wanted to do since about 1984 which was step away. IE leave the job. It's all speculation of course but the evidence suggests this. |
| rockchic65 25.08.2019 09:17 |
dysan wrote: Bands look outwardly like a family yes, but it is a job. It isn't a magical fantasy it's people working very hard to make money and having meetings about budgets and HR issues. We know that relationships were fraught from the early 80s - really only having their lifespan extended in any meaningful way due to ill health. After the fallout John was able to do what he probably wanted to do since about 1984 which was step away. IE leave the job. It's all speculation of course but the evidence suggests this.I'd agree with that, from things they all said at times it's obvious they didn't always get on that great off stage, Brian has even said recently that he and Roger argue about every single thing but they've come to a sort of understanding and are kinder to each other, maybe that's due to age and no longer being under the same pressures they were when trying to make albums etc. They all rallied round Freddie when he was ill and I'm sure they did love him and each other in some ways but like family you can care about someone and not really agree with them or even love spending too much time with them. For John once he walked away from the job maybe there was nothing in common left to stay in touch for. |
| rockchic65 25.08.2019 09:23 |
HelloDelilah wrote: rockchic65, I saw those posts too. Brian constantly makes conscious efforts to include both Freddie and John in whenever and wherever he can and even travelled to Zanzibar right before the North American Rhapsody tour, reflecting and remembering Freddie. They are definitely not forgotten. Perhaps people took it out of context when Brian or Roger make comments esp Brian when he made that comment about Adam can do the same... He didn't seem malicious about it but I realize others will disagree. And I'm not even an Adam fan. :) dysan, I don't keep in touch with work colleagues from 25 years ago either, but it seems as the band was like a family as they toured all over the world for months at a time but at the same time, they didn't get into each other's personal lives. John seems to just want his privacy and cut everyone out of his life from that time. :(I do think Brian gets taken out of context, he doesn't always think how something might sound before he says it and a lot of times there's no way to know from a written interview exactly what was said, things get taken out of context by interviewers as well either accidentally or deliberately to stoke controversy. End of the day a lot of what he does points to him caring about Freddie but it's been 28 years and it wouldn't be normal if he hadn't moved on to some extent, people can still love someone who died and make room for new people without it being disloyal. He's been working with Adam for large amounts of time for several years now, I don't see anything wrong with him caring about Adam as well but some fans seem to have a problem with that. |
| dysan 25.08.2019 09:38 |
rockchic65 wrote: For John once he walked away from the job maybe there was nothing in common left to stay in touch for.Yeah - like when you meet up with old colleagues and you reach that terrible realisation that beyond talking about events from 30 years ago, you have absolutely nothing in common and begin to remember the frustrations they caused. 'So.. how's work?' 'Oh we've got 120 new crew members you've never met before and I'll tell you all about them and how much more fun they are than you..' *calls cab* |
| Star* 25.08.2019 10:18 |
Holly2003 We do not need your negativity on here again, so please express your thoughts on the topic or get lost. |
| Holly2003 25.08.2019 11:18 |
Miracle. wrote: Holly2003 We do not need your negativity on here again, so please express your thoughts on the topic or get lost.https://media.giphy.com/media/dnkjFKseXHgK4/giphy.gif |
| Stick 25.08.2019 11:38 |
Miracle. wrote: Holly2003 We do not need your negativity on here again, so please express your thoughts on the topic or get lost.Seems to me like you are being the negatively stubborn one. Presented with facts that counter your opinion you still hold on to it with your fingers firm in your ears. Changing your mind when your view doesn't hold up to reality is not a bad thing you know. It's actually how grown ups behave instead of the brats we all once were. Also, don't act like you speak for everyone and don't try to tell others who respond to you in quite a normal way what to do. Maybe it's you who need to take a break and buy a mirror. |
| Star* 25.08.2019 12:49 |
Well excuse me looks like someone got out of the bed the wrong side this morning! lol I stick to my opinions and that is my insatiable right and just for the record yes i probably am right most of the time especially when so many dim wits on here have not got a clue what Queen use to stand for ! |
| Stick 25.08.2019 13:34 |
Nope, woke up just fine thank you. There's a wall on the other side so I don't have much choice! Yeah thats blatantly obvious that you stick to your opinions, almost religiously but that will never get you anywhere and will never help further your knowledge or view. You are closed of from everything other than what you yourself can come up with. If you just want to yell and never learn than go right ahead, stay on course. As you say you of course have that right but don't be surprised at people calling you out for it in life. Because to others, that's just dumb, annoying, childish and limited. Being so full of oneself has never brought anyone any satisfaction in the long run but has increased the delusions one has. Good luck man, it's not wise. |
| Holly2003 25.08.2019 13:39 |
Miracle. wrote: Well excuse me looks like someone got out of the bed the wrong side this morning! lol I stick to my opinions and that is my insatiable right and just for the record yes i probably am right most of the time especially when so many dim wits on here have not got a clue what Queen use to stand for !You're the genius who once claimed here that Queen's Montreux performance was live and when corrected on that you then claimed you mistook it for Live Aid. What a font of Queen knowledge you are... |