QueenZone discussion #1558208
If John Deacon DID return.....
| Michael Allred 20.07.2019 19:39 |
And took his place as bassist on tour with Brian, Roger and Adam, would it make any difference at all to those who dislike Lambert or those who felt "Queen died with Freddie"? Or would you still feel the same by refusing to see them live, etc? |
| pittrek 20.07.2019 20:35 |
My opinion - Adam - great voice, but I absolutely hate his singing style, his "improvisations" or I have no clue how to call them, I heard that in the last years he toned it down a bit but it's too late for me - Brian and Roger - I love them, but it was just painful for me to watch them perform, way too soft, way too slow, I'm sorry to say it, but they're too old to rock If any of you disagree, great, go to the concerts and enjoy them, I'm over the anger I felt many years ago, now I simply ignore the last couple of tours and listen to the 1973-1995 stuff. So speaking for myself - no, Deacon's return would not change anything for me, if Adam, Brian and Roger wouldn't change, I still would ignore the band and listen to the old stuff |
| Negative Creep 20.07.2019 21:33 |
How or why would John returning make anyone reassess Lambert? There would be an added element of legitimacy to "Queen" touring if the remaining 3 band member worked as a trio with additional musicians. People go on saying that neither Brian or Roger are frontmen - but that is bollocks. Do you honestly believe if Brian and Roger were out there fronting Queen, that they would be playing to smaller audiences? Not a chance. And even more casual fans wold prefer the original band members singing the material. There's zero need to have another frontman. |
| Chopin1995 20.07.2019 21:47 |
To me it'd change a lot. Even more if they'd rid of the percussionist. Nothing against him, but without him and with John it would be almost Queen, just without the vocalist. Together with Spike it'd be 4/5 of the 1980s Queen. And all the moments when Lambert doesn't sing you can hear the original band. |
| Jimmy Dean 21.07.2019 03:27 |
to 95% of the audience, it would mean nothing. to the other 5%, symbolic. if he played millionaire waltz like he did when he was young - that may turn heads. |
| dysan 21.07.2019 05:33 |
It wouldn't change my opinion on AL - as said above you either have a problem with him or you don't. I kind of don't have a problem - sure his style isn't my taste, but I've watched them and enjoyed it for whatever reason. JD returning though would change the whole 'vibe' and almost give the project more authenticity (if that's the right word). It would make about 40% of the anti Q and AL post on here redundant. JOHN HAD THE RIGHT IDEA!!!. Him returning would be fantastic to see - but I'm not sure how long the novelty would last. Like when you see Yes are playing and long term fans say I dunno… 'Bert Gifflocks from the 1976 line up has returned!!!' |
| Metropolis 21.07.2019 05:46 |
I'd love it if John began performing again, but he quit on personal reasons, and he shouldn't be pressured to start touring again. If it's Adam you have a problem with though I don't think John joining would make much of a difference |
| stevelondon20 21.07.2019 09:27 |
Agreed ^^^ |
| queenfanbg 21.07.2019 09:57 |
"My opinion - Adam - great voice, but I absolutely hate his singing style, his "improvisations" or I have no clue how to call them, I heard that in the last years he toned it down a bit but it's too late for me - Brian and Roger - I love them, but it was just painful for me to watch them perform, way too soft, way too slow, I'm sorry to say it, but they're too old to rock If any of you disagree, great, go to the concerts and enjoy them, I'm over the anger I felt many years ago, now I simply ignore the last couple of tours and listen to the 1973-1995 stuff. So speaking for myself - no, Deacon's return would not change anything for me, if Adam, Brian and Roger wouldn't change, I still would ignore the band and listen to the old stuff " +1 |
| bucsateflon 21.07.2019 10:49 |
John style of playing is totally different from Neil Fairclough, it would be sonically different... more pleasing. Although it will never happen, the only way could happen is if divorce-bankruptcy hits him(see Slash come back) |
| Dim 21.07.2019 11:08 |
It would be beautiful if John had kept contact with his old band mates. It is all about friendship, I don't give a dam about live performances. |
| FriedChicken 21.07.2019 12:28 |
I'm pretty sure that even if Freddie himself did return that for some people it wouldn't be the same. |
| stevelondon20 21.07.2019 15:54 |
A Hologram tour would be brilliant. |
| Stick 21.07.2019 17:15 |
Hahaha funny! |
| AlexRocks 21.07.2019 17:31 |
In the latest photo of John he looks nine months. Plus near death himself. |
| stevelondon20 21.07.2019 17:38 |
Yeah he definitely hasn't aged well. |
| Metropolis 21.07.2019 20:00 |
But you have to remember the recent pictures were all taken without his permission. While press photos back in the 1900s were chosen to look good, the recent ones were just whatever the paparazzi could get and slap on their articles. But yes, he definitely did not age well. |
| dysan 21.07.2019 20:06 |
Hold on. Compare a picture of any of them now to one taken in, say 1991, and they've all grown old. No shame in it. None worse than the other, just dignified old men who have spent their lives filling the world with joy. |
| stevelondon20 21.07.2019 20:17 |
True that Dysan. ^^ |
| Metropolis 21.07.2019 21:21 |
@dysan agreed |
| FMBMJDRT 21.07.2019 21:28 |
Plus no one really knows what his life has been like for the past 28 years, there could have been illness, family stresses, medication etc that could impact on his appearance. |
| stevelondon20 21.07.2019 21:49 |
Good point. |
| Stick 21.07.2019 22:10 |
Also, we don't know how much work Brian and or Roger have had done to look as good today as they do. I do know Brian has been wearing a wig or something like that for a long time. I remember the wind catching his hair when he did the Live at Queens day 2002 concert in The Netherlands (Holland) and you could clearly see how bald he was on top. Both him and Roger are in the public view so they have to look at their best. Who knows what is real and what is fake in this day and age. |
| runner_70 21.07.2019 22:40 |
Brian wearing a wig??no way his hair is pretty thin these days |
| runner_70 21.07.2019 22:41 |
pittrek wrote: My opinion - Adam - great voice, but I absolutely hate his singing style, his "improvisations" or I have no clue how to call them, I heard that in the last years he toned it down a bit but it's too late for me - Brian and Roger - I love them, but it was just painful for me to watch them perform, way too soft, way too slow, I'm sorry to say it, but they're too old to rock If any of you disagree, great, go to the concerts and enjoy them, I'm over the anger I felt many years ago, now I simply ignore the last couple of tours and listen to the 1973-1995 stuff. So speaking for myself - no, Deacon's return would not change anything for me, if Adam, Brian and Roger wouldn't change, I still would ignore the band and listen to the old stuffAmen |
| matt z 22.07.2019 02:21 |
John Deacon QUIETLY rocks these days. Can't blame him for wanting a normal life |
| stevelondon20 22.07.2019 06:22 |
He's had his moment and now wants to live a quiet life. We all have to respect that. |
| Stick 22.07.2019 19:11 |
runner_70 wrote: Brian wearing a wig??no way his hair is pretty thin these daysWell I should have said toupee as the hair on the sides of his head is still there. And yeah it has been getting thinner overall but a toupee can be adjusted over time if the other hair changes. I just know what I saw very clearly when the wind hit him back then. No doubt in my mind. |
| Metropolis 22.07.2019 19:47 |
I kind of assumed he wore some kind of wig/toupee since roger's balding already and Brian's 3 years older than Roger. |
| Stick 22.07.2019 19:56 |
Age doesn't necessarily relate to balding. There are people with great genetics who never go bald at all. And there are also people who go bald in their twenties. An uncle of mine had that problem but the way he tried to hide it... Let's just say he grows what he has left (which isn't much) to an immense length and spends 2 hours in front of the mirror with all kinds of sprays and crap after taking a bath. You will never see him on a bike because that would be fatal to what he has created. It looks like a flattened turd of hair. |
| matt z 22.07.2019 22:02 |
Hahaha Flattened Turd Of Hair. If John returned, well. ....I'd have no further recourse to ask politely for one of his basses on every post concerning him. But since he's likely not to return just yet: "John, Mr Deacon... since you're not using your basses to gig right now... u figure i could have one of em?... I'll call it a trade. I'll mow the lawn or something." Thanks, it wouldn't have to be the Sterling or the P Bass.... could be the Warwick Buzzard. Just asking. Love your work, - Matt Z |
| Saint Jiub 22.07.2019 23:33 |
matt z wrote: Hahaha Flattened Turd Of Hair. If John returned, well. ....I'd have no further recourse to ask politely for one of his basses on every post concerning him. But since he's likely not to return just yet: "John, Mr Deacon... since you're not using your basses to gig right now... u figure i could have one of em?... I'll call it a trade. I'll mow the lawn or something." Thanks, it wouldn't have to be the Sterling or the P Bass.... could be the Warwick Buzzard. Just asking. Love your work, - Matt ZDidn't someone have John Deacon locked in their basement many years ago? ... and then ransom him for one of his basses? |
| fras444 23.07.2019 18:57 |
^ Matt z...... Mow the lawns...!!!??? Think about your offering bro.... A guy in his late 60s, his wifes had 6 kids and I dont think she has been putting out for a little over 20 years..... Maybe hes holding out for a something little more "special/personal"....from you Try giving him an offer he cant refuse..... Something more um.... rewarding.... Personal..... for both... Go on.... both of you might just enjoy, then hell..... he may even "personally" teach you 'his'... bass tabs for millionaires waltz in his "room" where he keeps his bass guitars..... Just imagine him behind you reaching around (like on ghost 1990) with his hands guiding your hands over the the neck of the bass, his fingers guiding your fingers over the strings as he whispers into your ear telling you in a low voice "that feels soo good Matt... your real 'real' good...." |
| fras444 23.07.2019 19:02 |
Yup I was one of those with strawberry blond curly locks.... 18 at high school and my mate behind me saying.. " I think Fraser is going bald..." three years later..... trying to hold on... yep its all gone now... well.... had to do the right thing and.... not go down the path of granddad with the comb over.... shave it off... now saving for one of those trips to Iran to get those surgical implants hahaha |
| matt z 24.07.2019 01:21 |
Hahaha. Frightening imagery. Did your bass teacher "instruct" you the very same way??? |
| fras444 24.07.2019 09:41 |
He took me to the pharmacist to get Vaseline lipstick and some numbing cream and chicken drumsticks... How much do you want those bass guitars |
| ~Blue_Acid~ 27.07.2019 17:21 |
According to Cam Deacon via his YouTube channel, his mum and dad are too old and in fragile health to travel. So as much as I'd love to see Deaky out there, I don't think touring is possible for him. But Cam fully supports Q+AL and goes to the gigs and sports their merch on his channel...so it seems their isn't bad blood between the Deacon family and Bri n Rog. |
| ~Blue_Acid~ 27.07.2019 17:30 |
As for me Deaky being out there would authenticate it more but im 33 and this is prob my last chance to see my personal idol Dr May live. I wish Adam would embrace Freddie's phrasing more and lay off the vocal gymnastics a bit but I just am greatful to see world class musicians performing my favorite songs live. It will definitely be better then Paul was. He botched Dust and Champions in Pittsburgh ' 06. It certainly made the experience unforgettable but not in the good way. |
| FMBMJDRT 27.07.2019 21:48 |
Yes I saw the same Youtube clip from Cam Deacon. I thought it odd for someone to say his parents were too old to travel when they would be in their mid sixties at the time of the post. I guess there are issues we don't know about... |
| HelloDelilah 29.07.2019 07:09 |
@FMBMJDRT Most millennials and younger think 60-somethings are old. :D I hope there are no issues with them though. |
| Boomerchick 30.07.2019 01:01 |
Freddie WAS Queen...their entire identity came from him - their sound was all about his musical talent and versatility and their look and theatricality came from his vIsion and imagination. John is the only one who got it right by bowing out gracefully when he did. Brian has become a pompous ass who now says AL can do what Freddie did "and more!!!???" What a fool! And Roger is a drummer...nuff said. |
| Boomerchick 30.07.2019 01:02 |
Freddie WAS Queen...their entire identity came from him - their sound was all about his musical talent and versatility and their look and theatricality came from his vIsion and imagination. John is the only one who got it right by bowing out gracefully when he did. Brian has become a pompous ass who now says AL can do what Freddie did "and more!!!???" What a fool! And Roger is a drummer...nuff said. |
| Boomerchick 30.07.2019 01:03 |
Sorry for the repeat.. AL has a great voice but all the charisma of a Vegas lounge act. |
| bucsateflon 30.07.2019 12:36 |
shut up stupid |
| mariah carey 30.07.2019 13:49 |
Boomerchick wrote: Freddie WAS Queen...their entire identity came from him - their sound was all about his musical talent and versatility and their look and theatricality came from his vIsion and imagination. John is the only one who got it right by bowing out gracefully when he did. Brian has become a pompous ass who now says AL can do what Freddie did "and more!!!???" What a fool! And Roger is a drummer...nuff said.Freddie would be the first one to say that he isn't Queen |
| rockchic65 30.07.2019 18:26 |
Boomerchick wrote: Freddie WAS Queen...their entire identity came from him - their sound was all about his musical talent and versatility and their look and theatricality came from his vIsion and imagination. John is the only one who got it right by bowing out gracefully when he did. Brian has become a pompous ass who now says AL can do what Freddie did "and more!!!???" What a fool! And Roger is a drummer...nuff said.As idiotic comments go I suspect yours wins the forum today, which is quite an achievement on here, well done!! |
| Boomerchick 30.07.2019 21:15 |
Boy you guys don't pull your punches..what don't you tell me how you really feel... In my defence, Freddie did "rework" the others' songs.That is common knowledge..he added a catchy beat plus his own dramatic delivery etc. Secondly, I admit freely that all three other Queen members are/were excellent. However Freddie is the only one who could not and clearly still cannot be replaced...so, no, I am not totally idiotic. And thanks for the warm welcome to the site! |
| Boomerchick 30.07.2019 21:25 |
The logo, the look, the unique musical style, the versatility, most of the hits, the voice, the stage presence and domination, the connection to the crowd etc. etc....all Freddie! If not for him, Smile would have faded away and Dr. May would have used his Red Special as firewood some cold winter night in the 70s. |
| fras444 30.07.2019 21:32 |
^ Hey Sharron Osbourne how are you and Ozzy getting along? |
| fras444 30.07.2019 21:34 |
The reason John isn't here is that he took some magic mushrooms, went on a journey... literally a journey, saw Ghandi and rethought his life and the rest is history really.... Some even say he is the real lama |
| Boomerchick 30.07.2019 21:35 |
Brian finally, in his dotage, gets the attention he craved for so long by sucking up to the American Idol crowd who wouldn't recognize originality if they tripped over it: "Adam can do everything Freddie did and more.".... Oh give me a break! |
| mariah carey 30.07.2019 21:55 |
The fact is, Freddie wouldn't have been as successful without the rest of the band, as he was with them. Look at "Mr Bad Guy". Most of the hits in the 80s were Roger's and John's. Also, it's a fact that Lambert's voice is more consistent live than Freddie's ever was. |
| Saint Jiub 30.07.2019 23:59 |
This ^ ... except Adam should be replaced with Josh Groban because Josh has better more consistent voice. LOL |
| rockchic65 31.07.2019 00:36 |
Boomerchick wrote: Freddie WAS Queen...their entire identity came from him - their sound was all about his musical talent and versatility and their look and theatricality came from his vIsion and imagination. John is the only one who got it right by bowing out gracefully when he did. Brian has become a pompous ass who now says AL can do what Freddie did "and more!!!???" What a fool! And Roger is a drummer...nuff said.So you come onto a Queen board to slag off two of the members and we don't pull our punches. Freddie was 1/4 of Queen. Freddie joined the band after Roger & Brian lost their singer, he didn't create or form the band he simply changed the name. The sound was not just Freddie at all, do you seriously think Queen would sound like they did without that piece of red firewood? Not to mention the amp Deacy made, I guess that wasn't important either. Roger is just a drummer!! Hmm right, so he didn't write any songs? Didn't contribute to the sound of any of the songs? Basically they could have replaced him with anyone and it wouldn't have mattered? And finally Freddie hasn't been replaced, they say it at every show and every interview, only people hell bent on having a problem with them still think Adam's a replacement. |
| rockchic65 31.07.2019 00:36 |
Double post |
| fras444 31.07.2019 00:38 |
John d3acon wote/cowrote 11 or so songs in their last three albums |
| fras444 31.07.2019 00:41 |
Pending on what the legalities are regarding songs such as beautiful day party kashoggis ship and what input exactly he had and ofcource one vision |
| Boomerchick 31.07.2019 01:19 |
I'm not slagging Briand and Roger. They're both outstanding at what they do but if Freddie was only 1/4 of Queen then they should be half as good right now as they were with him and they simply are not. They're just trying to recreate the magic they used to have.... |
| rockchic65 31.07.2019 01:26 |
Boomerchick wrote: I'm not slagging Briand and Roger. They're both outstanding at what they do but if Freddie was only 1/4 of Queen then they should be half as good right now as they were with him and they simply are not. They're just trying to recreate the magic they used to have....They don't need to try, for thousands of people they are creating magic. |
| fras444 31.07.2019 01:55 |
Got to remember that Brian and Roger WERE the originals!!!! Freddie came into to the... well... walked into the band a good year or two later.... you know yeah his name one out to rename the band Queen but Brian and Roger are still Queen in the songs THEY wrote... each and every ONE of them wrote their OWN songs and all of Freddies and John's songs they play on stage... they all had a 25% share or what ever their share is in that song... Roger played drums on AOBTD.... (machine drums real drums im not sure) Brian played guitar on Boh Rhap.... For likes like myself I'm never going to see Freddie nor John.... As much as I prefer their heavier songs.... I enjoy Raido gagag and Hammer to fall those guys wrote those songs you know... and fuck it... I don't want to retire to count the days till I die... if I was a a musician I'd love to play until I'm dead not wait around till I die... That s what Roger and Brian are essentially doing.... Still doing what they are passionate about and it just so happens that their love are giving millions joy |
| bucsateflon 31.07.2019 06:26 |
Boomerchick wrote: However Freddie is the only one who could not and clearly still cannot be replaced...so, no, I am not totally idiotic. And thanks for the warm welcome to the site!Yeah, well depends how deep you go when listening to their music. You definitely are somewhere in "shallow waters" at a superficial level. A more musically inclined person goes beyond the vocalists performance and lyrics. |
| Holly2003 31.07.2019 06:52 |
Brian and Roger were indeed the originals -- in a band that was unoriginal and which failed. From the ashes of that failure, Fred created Queen, not Smile part 2. The closest they came to Smile part 2 was their debut album, which failed. Fred was very clearly more than 1/4 of Queen. He wrote 10 out of the 17 songs on Queens Greatest Hits, the UK's best selling album. Roger has no songs on that album Deacon only 2. In short, without Fred inventing Queen's name, logo, and image, directing how they should present themselves onstage, and writing virtually all their greatest hits in that early critical period, including the most streamed song of the twentieth century, Bo Rap (think about that for a bit, along with all the other achievements and accolades that song has garnered) Smile 2 would have been as unsuccessful as Smile was. |
| fras444 31.07.2019 08:03 |
GH yes when money and hits was what the Queen machine was built on... But to be honest... Rogers songs or lack of songs on GH were far superior for me than a good hand full of songs that were on the GH album.... Brian's Father to son was far superior than most of those songs John's You and I was for me a better song than You're my best friend.... QI wasn't a failure in a sense that it gave Queen and impressive one two punch for an heavy hitting live show, son and daughter was pure heavy blues that showcased Brian's guitar. Rogers mowtown rock was almost pure thrash 'live' even doin alright was a great masterpiece of slow and vigourus balance... Freddie could have been in any other band he could have been a front man for any other band but... How did Freddies music sound when he tried getting a guitarist to sound like Brian.. Roger gave Bo Rhap and alot of Freddies songs that key falsetto range that would never sound the same and of course his drumming was key to the Queen percussion sound... John Deacons ability to write pop songs and along with that beautiful melodic walking bass line he was a huge key in amoung Freddies piano locking into Rogers drum and also that rhythm sound that gave Brian's guitar some strength where a rhythm guitarist would have been needed in any other band and Brian well that guitar solo in Boh Rhap says itself... How many guitarist could have interpreted what Freddie wanted through piano... let alone the fact that the red special and John's amp was key to queens sound... |
| mariah carey 31.07.2019 08:17 |
Freddie might have been the most important member, but it was 4 of them that made the magic happen. You can see it in their solo efforts - none of them are that great, except for Barcelona maybe, but it was a collaborative work. |
| Holly2003 31.07.2019 08:32 |
mariah carey wrote: Freddie was might have been the most important member, but it was 4 of them that made the magic happen. You can see it in their solo efforts - none of them are that great, except for Barcelona maybe, but it was a collaborative work.Does that mean there is no magic in Queen songs that all 4 didn't work on, such as Is this the world we created? But I take your point in a general sense. I think it would be more accurate to say Queen are a classic example of a band collectively being bigger than the sum of their parts. But that doesn't mean each contributed equally and it doesn't mean Fred was just 1/4 of Queen. |
| Stick 31.07.2019 08:35 |
Boomerchick wrote: I'm not slagging Briand and Roger. They're both outstanding at what they do but if Freddie was only 1/4 of Queen then they should be half as good right now as they were with him and they simply are not. They're just trying to recreate the magic they used to have....Hahaha 4 humans working together in a band is not a simple maths equation. Queen the bad was more than just the sum of its parts. |
| bucsateflon 31.07.2019 09:02 |
Isn't a bit ridiculous how new comers to Queen are trying to challenge what was already established on the matter by much more educated people? Considering this Queen band matter is not a continuing evolving science, newbies, squeakers and snowflakes have absolutely nothing new or revelatory to add on. It is all settled, debating on the matter is futile. |
| rockchic65 31.07.2019 09:27 |
bucsateflon wrote: Isn't a bit ridiculous how new comers to Queen are trying to challenge what was already established on the matter by much more educated people? Considering this Queen band matter is not a continuing evolving science, newbies, squeakers and snowflakes have absolutely nothing new or revelatory to add on. It is all settled, debating on the matter is futile.If they only bothered to do some real research it might help but they spout nonsense with just superficial knowledge at best. |
| Boomerchick 31.07.2019 21:24 |
"Superficial knowledge!!?" I don't think so. "Trying to challenge what was already established.... by more educated people!!??" Hardly. The whole recent upsurge in Queen mania was generated by the Live Aid recreation in the movie, i.e. Freddie's performance. Get real. |
| Stick 31.07.2019 21:54 |
rockchic65 wrote: If they only bothered to do some real research it might help but they spout nonsense with just superficial knowledge at best.Welcome to the modern times. No rock and roll, only idiocracy. |
| Stick 31.07.2019 21:56 |
Boomerchick wrote: "Superficial knowledge!!?" I don't think so. "Trying to challenge what was already established.... by more educated people!!??" Hardly. The whole recent upsurge in Queen mania was generated by the Live Aid recreation in the movie, i.e. Freddie's performance. Get real.You're quite full of yourself while giving a very superficial example in the same post. Well done. Might I guess you are still in puberty? |
| Rich Tea 31.07.2019 23:27 |
Why is it whenever I come on here is it that all I see is petty squabbles please peoples respect each others views/opinions and express yours then move on...……….For what its worth on the actual topic If John decided he wanted to re-join the band full time or just wanted to play bass on say AOBTD at the Wembley Stadium show next July I would respect him for it.....Like a lot of us of course it would be awesome to see John back where he belongs but unfortunately for reasons that are private to him that is the place he least wants to be....So we should respect his wishes and let him enjoy his retirement in complete privacy.... |
| Boomerchick 01.08.2019 01:53 |
I agree. And I am disappointed at the attitude of some on this forum. It's supposed to be for discussion not insulting participants. |
| rockchic65 01.08.2019 03:33 |
Boomerchick wrote: I agree. And I am disappointed at the attitude of some on this forum. It's supposed to be for discussion not insulting participants.But you see nothing wrong with insulting the two active members of the band, Freddie WAS Queen (reducing the rest to a backing band) calling Brian a pompous ass and finally in his dotage and Roger is "a drummer" nuff said. So that's all he is? There's intelligent informed discussion and then there's flinging baseless insults with no actual explanation of how you come to those conclusions. I'm really surprised you expected a warm welcome to a QUEEN fan site where your early posts are nothing but insults to half the band. |
| Stick 01.08.2019 09:22 |
Act ridiculous, invite ridicule. |
| TruthSeeker 01.08.2019 10:28 |
She is reacting emotionally to a comment made by Brian about Freddie (who she is clearly a bigger fan of) and you are emotionally commenting about the comment as you are clearly a bigger fan of Brian and Roger who don't see anything wrong with Brian's comment. Funny, how it never bothers people who are fans of Brian and Roger when someone puts Freddie down in favor of a reality show singer in a queen forum! I have seen people constantly feeling the need to put him down by saying Freddie never hit high notes, never nailed the bridge so on and so forth! Freddie never for once claimed he was the greatest singer anytime and never promised that he would sing exactly like the studio version all the time! He was first and foremost a musician and tried to give his best to the best of his abilities and did a pretty good job as a front man! Brian has made numerous flubs too (I have heard the bootlegs!). Would you like if some one put Brian down for that saying he missed notes this many times, not consistent, not creative enough in live,and compare him to reality show guitarist, instead of looking at him for originality and talent to come up with such compositions) Some one mentioned the other day that when Brian was not comfortable when he missed a note and made a mistake, Frank Zappa told him that it wasn't a mistake, because according to Zappa he wrote the song, it was his music, so he could play it as he wished. is that not applicable for original composers or singers of songs who could have come up additional embellishments, style, tone of delivery etc.during the sessions? I know when Roger sang 'kind of magic ' or Brian sang tie your mother down/hammer to fall' they could not always hit the notes either. Yes. they are singers too as they released multiple solo albums and also sang many songs in queen albums. Would you like someone have a dig at them saying Brian and Roger can't hit high notes, Adam could do more than they did ? They are after all Brian and Roger of great band 'Queen' they could do what they want, right ? But with Freddie it is not Ok. Is it because he is dead and he is game for anything ? Just want to put these questions to everyone. I would like to ask everyone, Hypothetically If the roles were reversed today, if Brian is not with us(God Bless him! I wish him a long life!) 1. Would you all Maylor fans be OK a. if there was a movie made which show Brian as brilliant guitarist but sensitive insecure soul, who always want to get his way and who can be ruthless when he wants to, and show everyone else as saints or slightly less saintly in the same way Roger was shown, berate Brian's solo album in the movie, show him as weak, easily bruised, arrogant about his Phd etc etc.. Would you defend the movie saying it is a movie and not a documentary ? would you be ok, if Freddie or Roger or John, constantly go on press and try to defend the movie and say 'Brian would approve it ? would you all be glad and generous like you talk now, that a movie was made about Brian because of which Queen are popular than any time in their career!) (Yes. No one wants to see gay sex on screen but Elton's movie did it and is anyone feeling Elton is less worthy now ?) b. If the remaining members continue to tour like Brian and Roger do with a guitarist they pick up from a reality show. Would you be Ok if Freddie or Roger or John say 'he is a god', 'one in a billion', 'XXXX can play like Brian and can do more', or wear something that Brian wore as Adam is doing with a crown (in every tour for godsake whereas Freddie felt the need to do it only in his last tour after the universally praised performance at liveaid) Would you calmly say, they are in a marketing mode and ignore it, that too if these comments came right after the horrible movie made about Brian. P.S (I truly believe, none of the above two would have happened, even with all the lure of Hollywood, had the roles been reversed!. If Brian wanted to praise Adam to the hilt, he could have put it in a better way,can't he? ,instead of saying 'Adam can do more than Freddie'. was that really necessary? For God's sake, he has a Phd!) Ask yourself honestly these questions and have some perspective where these emotional outbursts are coming from. Freddie has been dead for close to 28 years. He has been generous and loyal enough to leave all his musical legacy to the band! He has nothing to do with anything that has happened since then.He just wanted to be known for the music he created and be left in peace! All of the things since then have been created by the powers that be in the so called 'Queen Machine', good or bad which he was in no way responsible for! be it, Roger and Brian going on a TV show and defending him after his death, Tribute concert, building a statue, movie etc etc. It should always been about the band and not individuals. Who is responsible for all the things that happened after Freddie died? definitely not Freddie! Someone said Freddie is being treated as a god and saint. Roger and Brian are being treated no different either! There are enough Maylor acolytes being blind as a bat about everything they do,and feel superior enough to constantly berate anyone who does the same for Freddie, as Fangirls/Fanboys! I believe queen is collectively bigger than the sum of their parts and Brian and Roger are brilliant musicians in their own right as well as John! Roger often mentions they would have loved to have collaborated with David Bowie more and it is a shame it did not happen. Roger talked about wanting to do a heavy metal album during hot space interview instead of disco album. yes first 5 years they were grieving. But after that they could have as well made a heavy metal/grunge/Alternative Rock album, whatever they could not do when Freddie was around, with Roger as a vocalist! They were still relatively young (come on they are touring still!). No one prevented them for collaborating with Bowie either in the last 25 years at least till 2006 when Bowie was still touring! Freddie is not there to prevent them or push them in a different direction. He is not the be all and end all of queen, right? So many possibilities. Of late, the hyperbole, gas lighting, selective retention(funny how whenever Brian talks about under pressure session with Bowie, he never mentions story behind 'I go crazy' which came out of that session) are getting to be a bit too much! According to whoever, Freddie may apprrove everything but there is a higher power for everyone and I am a firm believer in what goes around will come around! But I also must admit, the powers that be in the so called 'queen machine' will be smarter now though. They know what can be done to a person's legacy long after they are gone!. They would have tightened all the NDAs by now. LOL! I would sincerely like to tell Brian(specifically) and Roger to stop spouting any more of these shit stirring comments which are clearly dividing the fans and just stick to music as I bloody well want to remember them only for their music as it should be! Adam has been touring with them for close to 6 or 7 years. If he is really great, he does not need any more praise or hyping up. As someone famously said 'Talent will out'. Queen Machine (includes Brian and Roger) should know by now that not all are fans of Q+. All these recent happenings make me wonder, if they really care about the fans of original Queen. Only time will tell. Request - please do not bring all the past comments made by trolls(on both sides!) to this discussion and use that as defense mechanism and divert the topic's content. P.S- I am a long time queen fan and have been following this forum for a while! I felt the need to express something I felt about. strongly today. Peace to all! |
| bucsateflon 01.08.2019 11:29 |
Actually some of us are Queen fans, and not fans of individuals and their private life. I can see a lot of TMZ style talk in your comment. |
| TruthSeeker 01.08.2019 12:00 |
@bucsateflon Are you really a queen fan? I never mentioned anything about private lives.I don't care about anyone's private lives. I don't know what TMZ style as I don't follow them. |
| Boomerchick 01.08.2019 13:41 |
Great post truth seeker. |
| rockchic65 01.08.2019 17:53 |
@ truthseeker I wouldn't have any problem with that but that's just me, I'm a QUEEN fan not specifically any one member but I do get peed off with all the BS directed mainly at Brian, Roger it seems can say whatever he likes but Brian is the one who's in the wrong in most cases whenever he opens his mouth. I don't know their motivations for sure as to why they say things about Adam but if I had to make an educated guess I'd say they care about him and feel he's family, know how much he puts into trying to make QAL work, know he's a genuinely sweet guy and are reacting emotionally to what they see as the fans who think they shouldn't be touring at all and especially not with Adam and the Martel fans who constantly troll their instagram page whining on about how it should be Marc, only he can bring back "real Queen" as he's apparently Freddie reincarnated, how they've made a huge mistake but it's not too late to fix it and dump Adam for Marc and the favourite no Freddie no Queen and they died in 1991 and on and on ad nauseam. Yeah they would be better to just ignore the whole thing but as you pointed out people do react emotionally and they're no different and probably feel hurt on his behalf that after seven years of him proving himself there's still the same war raging on and hurt that some of their fans treat them like they were nothing more than a backing band for Freddie. Just my take on it. |
| rockchic65 01.08.2019 17:54 |
Double post |
| Metropolis 04.08.2019 19:30 |
Why is it that nowadays Brian is mainly the one in the spotlight while Roger is more in the background? |
| Boomerchick 06.08.2019 20:58 |
At the risk of being pilloried again might I simply suggest that Brian, wonderfully talented and accomplished musician and individual that he is) is enjoying the spotlight which was not focussed on him pre 1991. |
| Boomerchick 06.08.2019 21:05 |
May aid just add that I have always admired Brian for his sensitivity and depth...I adore Save Me...but I just can't get past "Adam can do everything Freddie did and more." That's just plain stupid |
| FMBMJDRT 06.08.2019 21:56 |
I agree with the last comment |