Jake12 01.07.2019 02:27 |
Sorry if it’s been talked about before but have we ever talked about this photo before? If so what’s the reason on the delay of a official Hyde Park release? |
thomasquinn 32989 01.07.2019 05:59 |
1) The existence of a recording doesn't mean it was meant to be released, simply that they wanted the *option* to release it. 2) There is no telling how good (or bad) the recording actually is based on a picture of the tape box. Maybe it was simply deemed insufficiently good. 3) It may well have been scrapped in favor of Live Killers. The format of Live Killers suggests that Queen didn't want a single full concert but a 'best of'-tour document. 4) There were notable problems (like the angry audience and some disturbances) that might be awkward on a release, likewise the somewhat odd setlist could have been an issue for the band and the management. |
dysan 01.07.2019 06:52 |
Its certainly an interesting show - but perhaps they know that always having it, like Earls Court, there for bonus material and doc clips is greater than a full release. The difference between those and say the DVDs of Rainbow / Milton Keynes / Hammersmith is that they were broadcast or released so already out there and essentially reissues. |
aristide1 01.07.2019 10:28 |
The video and multitrack audio recordings clearly show the intention of release. They were not meant for personal collection or for British Library Archive. The real problem with Hyde Park and Earls Court is not a technical one. It's about the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist, who was considered awkward then and apparently it still is now (by the people who legally own the item from the picture above). Are you affiliated in some way with QP thomasquinn? Because you speak for them in a very Jim Beach tone. |
Holly2003 01.07.2019 11:12 |
aristide1 wrote: The real problem with Hyde Park and Earls Court is not a technical one. It's about the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist, who was considered awkward then and apparently it still is now (by the people who legally own the item from the picture above).Let's file that one under 'bullshit.' |
aristide1 01.07.2019 11:42 |
You're right Holly, Earls Court remains unreleased because of the missing 20 sec of audio and some other minor technical issues. The fact that a fruitcake in a bodysuit and with a boner is all over the stage has nothing to do with that. |
pittrek 01.07.2019 12:24 |
I honestly can't imagine who is a Queen fan and at the same time has a serious problem with Freddie's sexuality. I didn't like how he looked like in the 1973-1977 era, and I still bought every single DVD with footage from that era, not to mention all the non-official stuff I have. I seriously doubt that it could be a reason for NOT releasing the footage, aristide1. I mean he looked even more gay in Rainbow and Hammersmith, and still the releases sold well. |
Holly2003 01.07.2019 12:26 |
So Aristide, you think Fred's sexuality remains problematic? Have you been in a darkened cave for the last 3 decades? |
aristide1 01.07.2019 12:54 |
pittrek wrote: I honestly can't imagine who is a Queen fan and at the same time has a serious problem with Freddie's sexuality. I didn't like how he looked like in the 1973-1977 era, and I still bought every single DVD with footage from that era, not to mention all the non-official stuff I have. I seriously doubt that it could be a reason for NOT releasing the footage, aristide1. I mean he looked even more gay in Rainbow and Hammersmith, and still the releases sold well.Brian maybe? I think he has a problem with Freddie's sexuality, but I'm not totally sure he is a Queen fan. As for me, I am just trying to find a reasonable explanation for the missing of Earls Court from Queen catalogue. Let's try again with quotation marks: The fact that "a fruitcake in a bodysuit and with a boner" is all over the stage has nothing to do with that. Better now? I don't know if someone ever said that but certainly someone thought that at some point. Otherwise you will find Earls Court DVD or Bluray in a shop near you (Bratislava?) and don't have to do any remastered edition. |
Holly2003 01.07.2019 15:53 |
Since we're in the realm of make up your own facts, how about this one: Fred had a decade and a half to push for the release of these concerts before he passed away but he didn't do so. Why was that? At the start of the 1980s he developed his macho look, complete with moustache, and he didn't like to be reminded of his 'effeminate' or androgynous look of the 1970s. Therefore, he blocked the release of these concerts. (After he died, Brian continued to honour Fred's wishes by not releasing them.) The only problem with this theory is I have no proof at all to support it. |
bucsateflon 01.07.2019 18:10 |
Brian May and the Red Special counteracts any over gayness |
dysan 01.07.2019 18:30 |
Holly2003 wrote: Since we're in the realm of make up your own facts, how about this one: Fred had a decade and a half to push for the release of these concerts before he passed away but he didn't do so. Why was that? At the start of the 1980s he developed his macho look, complete with moustache, and he didn't like to be reminded of his 'effeminate' or androgynous look of the 1970s. Therefore, he blocked the release of these concerts. (After he died, Brian continued to honour Fred's wishes by not releasing them.) The only problem with this theory is I have no proof at all to support it.If we're making up theories counteracting made up theories, I'm not sure there was a market for it - certainly once they figured a home video release was a good idea they used current material (quite rightly as they were a functioning band. Once they started digging into the archives for stuff (Rare Live and At The Beeb) at a natural break in their career it signposted a fresh retrospective look but I fear events took over. After that they (as they admit) were bumbling around in the dark without much direction. Then once they picked up the archival treats idea the previously released material was given a make over (the obvious place to start with now formats like DVD arriving) and once again they were overtaken by circumstance at started working with PR. |
Chopin1995 01.07.2019 21:54 |
I'm thinking to myself, if 'the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist' and 'a boner' is the problem, why Brian wanted so much to release Montreal 81 where the lead vocalist is almost naked at the end? On top of that, it's in HD. |
Chopin1995 01.07.2019 21:56 |
Also, thanks for the photo! Never have seen that before. |
The Real Wizard 02.07.2019 01:48 |
Here's a better photo.
Also - this discussion is ridiculous. It's pretty sad to see this kind of homophobia on a Queen forum in 2019.
Chopin1995 wrote: I'm thinking to myself, if 'the flamboyant homosexuality displayed by the lead vocalist' and 'a boner' is the problem, why Brian wanted so much to release Montreal 81 where the lead vocalist is almost naked at the end? On top of that, it's in HD.Bingo. |
Jake12 02.07.2019 03:33 |
I agree wizard! Also thanks for the better photo! Interesting to see that they recorded kiki dee also |
aristide1 02.07.2019 08:49 |
The Real Wizard wrote: It's pretty sad to see this kind of homophobia on a Queen forum in 2019.I've noticed that those with more than 5,000 posts barely read other people's comments, although they assiduously and competently reply like they know everything. Beyond 20,000 is a different realm. It's just Me, Myself and The Wizard. You pass the ball, you shoot to the gate, you catch it. Not much of a game. Pointing to a possible homophobic cause doesn't make me a homophobic. You know that, but pretend the opposite. The master's privilege to say what it pleases (or what please others, in your case). You may be a renaissance man in some aspects, but in others you are very medieval. |
thomasquinn 32989 02.07.2019 09:35 |
I rarely respond to your inane drivel, but this time I will. You don't know squat about the middle ages. And I'm saying that with authority, as a fucking historian with years of experience studying the European middle ages. |
dysan 02.07.2019 09:59 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I rarely respond to your inane drivel, but this time I will. You don't know squat about the middle ages. And I'm saying that with authority, as a fucking historian with years of experience studying the European middle ages.<3 <3 <3 |
aristide1 02.07.2019 10:03 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I rarely respond to your inane drivel, but this time I will. You don't know squat about the middle ages. And I'm saying that with authority, as a fucking historian with years of experience studying the European middle ages.Then I must also confess that I am a physicist and I've lived for the first 30 years of my life under a marxist regime. That doesn't make me special, but it makes you unbelievably stupid when you condescendingly quote nonsenses about marxism and physics. Are you an authority in those fields too, or you are an authority in everything? Your conclusion: "It truly is regrettable that you probably don't understand any of the above ... Now go play, adults are talking" is perplexing to me. If there is someone on this forum who personify the lack of substance disguised in pretentious complexity, that person is you. And what the fuck has to do middle ages with this? If you want to support wizard and don't now how, then try to say something nice about him, as I partially do. If I can acknowledge his multiple capabilities, then a scholar like you can do better, unless you are mentally handicapped (Oops! I did it again). Disability discrimination on a Queen forum in 2019. Very sad. |
bucsateflon 02.07.2019 12:15 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I rarely respond to your inane drivel, but this time I will. You don't know squat about the middle ages. And I'm saying that with authority, as a fucking historian with years of experience studying the European middle ages.You take the top spot for being a sanctimonious prick, no doubt. |
Star* 02.07.2019 13:27 |
The reason "Hyde Park 1976" was not released is because Brian said it had very poor audio qualities on it and Queen production were not prepared to release such an inferior show where the audio lets the production down, so bootleggers win on that concert ! |
rhapsody8 02.07.2019 14:17 |
Sorry but rich or poor or whatever quality. There is no matter. All of the people are not audiophile, most of them are only fan of the band's music. It's in the dusty boxes and nobody can enjoy the show even after 43 years!!!! Waiting 100th anniversary? Bullshit. |
Jekaling 02.07.2019 15:04 |
I agree with Aristide1. Hydepark is Freddie's 'gayist' performance followed Earl's Court. |
The Real Wizard 02.07.2019 16:22 |
aristide1 wrote: You may be a renaissance man in some aspects, but in others you are very medieval.That's the nicest thing you've ever said about me. Or possibly anyone. And if you really are a physicist, it's going to waste - you conduct yourself around here more like a used car salesman. |
aristide1 02.07.2019 18:01 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Artists must pass on, but sometimes a mix of passion, good fortune, diligence, expertise, and meticulous labor can capture and restore some of the beauty they left behind....maybe a few nuts. All sprinkled with the love and support of the queenzone family. And now let’s go back to The Real Wizard at the fabulous Niagara Falls (Canadian side). He will tell us without any trace of xenophobia or other phobias, which he totally rejects (in others), how a physicist from a second class country barely fits in the position a used cars salesman in his first class country, That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Right? |
The Real Wizard 02.07.2019 18:18 |
aristide1 wrote:I admire your mental gymnastics.The Real Wizard wrote: Artists must pass on, but sometimes a mix of passion, good fortune, diligence, expertise, and meticulous labor can capture and restore some of the beauty they left behind....maybe a few nuts. All sprinkled with the love and support of the queenzone family. And now let’s go back to The Real Wizard at the fabulous Niagara Falls (Canadian side). He will tell us without any trace of xenophobia or other phobias, which he totally rejects (in others), how a physicist from a second class country barely fits in the position a used cars salesman in his first class country, That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Right? Stick to physics. PR just isn't your thing. |
Star* 02.07.2019 20:06 |
Can someone explain that if Hyde Park 1976 will never get released then how come it was available to watch on QTV at the conventions in the 90s? |
dysan 03.07.2019 07:14 |
In the same way we have had hundreds of studio recordings played there but never released. It's a treat for those who attend. |
thomasquinn 32989 03.07.2019 10:21 |
aristide1 wrote:I shouldn't take the bait, but as I'm "unbelievably stupid", I might as well. You are trying to imply that living "for the first 30 years of my life under a marxist regime" means that you are knowledgeable about the writings of Karl Marx - the misinterpretation of which I confronted you with. That is *exactly* like saying that someone who lives in a liberal country is knowledgeable about the writings of Adam Smith and John Stuart Mill. So, a load of utter bull. As it happens, while I am not an "authority" on Marxism as such, I am in fact an authority on the spread of political radicalism through popular culture in the year after WWII, which mostly means bastardized Marxism - which means that I am very much aware that so-called Marxist countries had very little to do with Marx's actual writings.thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I rarely respond to your inane drivel, but this time I will. You don't know squat about the middle ages. And I'm saying that with authority, as a fucking historian with years of experience studying the European middle ages.Then I must also confess that I am a physicist and I've lived for the first 30 years of my life under a marxist regime. That doesn't make me special, but it makes you unbelievably stupid when you condescendingly quote nonsenses about marxism and physics. Are you an authority in those fields too, or you are an authority in everything? And what the fuck has to do middle ages with this?You brought it up, fuckwit. The master's privilege to say what it pleases (or what please others, in your case). You may be a renaissance man in some aspects, but in others you are very medieval.The accusation you are attempting, poorly, to level *is representative of RENAISSANCE / EARLY MODERN society* and would be completely unintelligible to anyone who lived in the actual middle ages! Back then, the word "master" ("magister") meant "licensed teacher". The concept of "master" as you attempt to use it comes from the guilds, which indeed originated in the late middle ages - but are generally considered the start of the EARLY MODERN ERA, exactly because THEY DIDN'T FIT IN WITH THE MEDIEVAL SOCIAL SYSTEM AT ALL - they are the literal antithesis to the middle ages, and as such, many historians of western Europe consider the middle ages to have ended in a given region *at the point where the guilds and cities gain ascendancy*. Your attempts to paint yourself as reasonable and a victim of other posters on this forum are utterly pathetic and unbelievable when subjected to even a cursory reading of the incessant flow of hate-filled, trolling shit you post here. You and your buddy bucsateflon are nothing more than alt right trolls seeking to cause as much trouble as you can. Apparently, your existence is so sad and meaningless that this seems like a good way to spend your time to your diseased minds. It's not. It's simply a way to put your crippling personal defects on display. The fact that you are unable to understand this would be sad if you weren't such a disgusting person. Now, it's simply laughable. |
Toozeup 04.07.2019 03:55 |
Hyde Park was recorded for broadcast but dodgy power supplies on the day led to severe speed fluctuations of both the audio and video recordings. This is the reason it was never broadcast or officially released. QPL have made efforts to fix it but as you can tell from even the most recent clips in documentaries, Freddie's vocals still exhitbit wow and flutter. Recent Queen tape transfers have been done at Plangent who I believe did a lot of work to try and correct the Hyde Park issues as they already have in-house software for correcting speed fluctuations. Our best hope for an official Hyde Park release is that one day the software will be good enough to deal with more severe speed issues. |
aristide1 04.07.2019 09:07 |
I've rarely seen a display of such bad taste, thomasquinn. You are a disappointing queenzone fellow, the first one on this forum who exposed his "superior" academic professional life in a most indecent way. It's clear that you live in a world of your own but try to control yourself here, we are not your dumb pupils. No one gives a shit on your knowledge of John Stuart Mills, the concept of master or the medieval society social system. I feel embarrassment while reading your reply, and this is wrong. You should be embarrassed, not me. Maybe it's time to stop contradict you, whatever you would say. You may even quote from Codex Vindobonensis if you think it appropriate. In fact, considering the high speed of your derailing, this could happen very soon. |
Star* 04.07.2019 14:25 |
Thomasquinn is another Queenzone bully and an arsehole if you please ! |
thomasquinn 32989 04.07.2019 17:47 |
aristide1 wrote: I've rarely seen a display of such bad taste, thomasquinn. You are a disappointing queenzone fellow, the first one on this forum who exposed his "superior" academic professional life in a most indecent way. It's clear that you live in a world of your own but try to control yourself here, we are not your dumb pupils. No one gives a shit on your knowledge of John Stuart Mills, the concept of master or the medieval society social system. I feel embarrassment while reading your reply, and this is wrong. You should be embarrassed, not me. Maybe it's time to stop contradict you, whatever you would say. You may even quote from Codex Vindobonensis if you think it appropriate. In fact, considering the high speed of your derailing, this could happen very soon.There is a whole lot of either crazy, stupid or both going on with you "aristide", because all the things you're trying (as usual, poorly) to weaponize against me are on-topic responses to idiocy YOU brought up. Interestingly, pretty much all your accusations apply perfectly to your past posts. These things make your post one hell of a case of projection. Since, amidst the gibberish and cliche alt right anti-intellectual BS, you decided to bring up "derailing", I thought a few looks at your own long and bizarre history of going off the rails here on QZ are in order. Not your usual whining without contributing anything, the truly sick stuff. Aristide1 borderline cyber-stalking and going full-on insane in 2018 Aristide1 on September 2, 2015, giving a truly troubling insight into why he has such a vile way of behaving: Short version: Q: "Do you always have to be nitpicking other people's posts, whenever there's something you don't like?" A: "Don't have to, but virtual world gives me the opportunity to openly express my opinion. Unlike real world. If I will meet Stuart Leathem one day, certainly I wouldn't share my opinion about his felt from the back of an elephant Freddie. " Aristide being his sociopathic self Aristide1 pretending to have audio-engineering skills, but failing to provide anything to substantiate that Aristide1 going off the deep end in trolling Sebastian. Low even by Aristide1's shockingly low standards. Aristide1 trolling about a supposedly rotated picture *that isn't even rotated*. Aristide1 proclaiming his imagined intellectual superiority. To summarize, from your own statements, you only come here to troll and annoy people, and the reason you do that is because, and I quote, "but virtual world gives me the opportunity to openly express my opinion. Unlike real world.", or, paraphrased, you are too much of a pathetic little coward to come out and say anything in real life, so you have to take out your frustrations on the internet, where you're faceless and you feel safe. This kind of cowardice is even beyond mockery - your behaviour is so shameful that only a serious mental illness (which I doubt you truly have) could excuse it. I hope you feel you've gained something from this run-in. Judging from your history, you'll even be able to convince yourself you won a great victory. I hope you do. It's generally what keeps your kind from committing sex crimes and shootings. To clarify, I don't think you'd commit either - not because I think you're in any way better than that, but simply because you're too cowardly even for that. But hey - gerry (by his alias-of-the-week) and bucsateflon have your back, so you're not alone in the depths of depravity. |
bucsateflon 05.07.2019 05:46 |
you debile |
Star* 05.07.2019 14:33 |
Depths of depravity is more your style Thomasquinn. You have done your share of bitching and calling people on here too so wind your neck in because your no better than the other tits on here like The Real Wizard & Vocal Harmony. They are bullies of the highest order on this site, and have ruined discussions time and time again by causing fights with there constant nick picking and childish behaviour. Still i am am British and not a Canadian Ham. |
Vocal harmony 05.07.2019 15:17 |
Inspired wrote: . . .. nick picking and childish behaviour. Still i am am British and not a Canadian Ham.Who is Nick? Is Canadian ham much different to other ham? |
Vocal harmony 05.07.2019 15:25 |
Inspired wrote: Depths of depravity is more my style Thomasquinn. I have done my share of bitching and calling people on here too so I'll wind my neck in because I'm the tit on here like unlike The Real Wizard & Vocal Harmony and a number of others who are top notch fellows. I am a moron of the highest order on this site, and have ruined discussions time and time again by causing fights with my constant nick picking and childish behaviour. Still i am am what I am.Inspired indeed if I may say so. |
Star* 05.07.2019 16:05 |
No you may not say so. |
Star* 05.07.2019 16:06 |
Vocal Harmony you have a serious track record of been a complete wanker, so carry on your usual high standards of been a first class cunt. |
bucsateflon 05.07.2019 19:25 |
The Real Wizard of Shit |
Chief Mouse 05.07.2019 21:30 |
Pretty sad. Used to be better several years ago. |
aristide1 06.07.2019 08:13 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:I sincerely hope that your medieval history output has more consistency than this small research on me, which is nicely seasoned with a bibliography of my selected works.aristide1 wrote: I've rarely seen a display of such bad taste, thomasquinn. You are a disappointing queenzone fellow, the first one on this forum who exposed his "superior" academic professional life in a most indecent way. It's clear that you live in a world of your own but try to control yourself here, we are not your dumb pupils. No one gives a shit on your knowledge of John Stuart Mills, the concept of master or the medieval society social system. I feel embarrassment while reading your reply, and this is wrong. You should be embarrassed, not me. Maybe it's time to stop contradict you, whatever you would say. You may even quote from Codex Vindobonensis if you think it appropriate. In fact, considering the high speed of your derailing, this could happen very soon.There is a whole lot of either crazy, stupid or both going on with you "aristide", because all the things you're trying (as usual, poorly) to weaponize against me are on-topic responses to idiocy YOU brought up. Interestingly, pretty much all your accusations apply perfectly to your past posts. These things make your post one hell of a case of projection. Since, amidst the gibberish and cliche alt right anti-intellectual BS, you decided to bring up "derailing", I thought a few looks at your own long and bizarre history of going off the rails here on QZ are in order. Not your usual whining without contributing anything, the truly sick stuff. Aristide1 borderline cyber-stalking and going full-on insane in 2018 Aristide1 on September 2, 2015, giving a truly troubling insight into why he has such a vile way of behaving: Short version: Q: "Do you always have to be nitpicking other people's posts, whenever there's something you don't like?" A: "Don't have to, but virtual world gives me the opportunity to openly express my opinion. Unlike real world. If I will meet Stuart Leathem one day, certainly I wouldn't share my opinion about his felt from the back of an elephant Freddie. " Aristide being his sociopathic self Aristide1 pretending to have audio-engineering skills, but failing to provide anything to substantiate that Aristide1 going off the deep end in trolling Sebastian. Low even by Aristide1's shockingly low standards. Aristide1 trolling about a supposedly rotated picture *that isn't even rotated*. Aristide1 proclaiming his imagined intellectual superiority. To summarize, from your own statements, you only come here to troll and annoy people, and the reason you do that is because, and I quote, "but virtual world gives me the opportunity to openly express my opinion. Unlike real world.", or, paraphrased, you are too much of a pathetic little coward to come out and say anything in real life, so you have to take out your frustrations on the internet, where you're faceless and you feel safe. This kind of cowardice is even beyond mockery - your behaviour is so shameful that only a serious mental illness (which I doubt you truly have) could excuse it. I hope you feel you've gained something from this run-in. Judging from your history, you'll even be able to convince yourself you won a great victory. I hope you do. It's generally what keeps your kind from committing sex crimes and shootings. To clarify, I don't think you'd commit either - not because I think you're in any way better than that, but simply because you're too cowardly even for that. But hey - gerry (by his alias-of-the-week) and bucsateflon have your back, so you're not alone in the depths of depravity. Unfortunately, the conclusion of your study - "committing sex crimes and shootings" - is not only totally wrong but deeply disturbing. On a forum less relaxed than queenzone an assertion like this could bring your well deserved expelling. Be careful what you are writing here because (unlike the scientific journals you publish in) there are people who actually read it and might believe you. As for my buddy in depravity bucsateflon, please be informed that if two people have the same thoughts it doesn't mean they form a conspiracy against you (as it happens in the academic world). In fact, since you've started to run around naked with a medieval manuscript in one hand and a history diploma in the other, the number of unrelated people questioning your behavior is increasing. |
bucsateflon 06.07.2019 13:33 |
These prehistoric queenzone antiquated creatures are the true masters at ganging up, trolling and bullying people that don't approve of everything they say. Also they practice a form of toadying between each other with gratuitous compliments, while others are cowards and don't speak their minds as to not upset the gang, and resume to sucking up to them. So its pretty ironic that someone like him makes those accusations. |
Saint Jiub 06.07.2019 17:38 |
three blind mice ... |
blueroom 06.07.2019 18:46 |
Never knew people had such strong opinions on Hyde Park 76. |
Holly2003 06.07.2019 18:54 |
blueroom wrote: Never knew people had such strong opinions on Hyde Park 76.Hadn't you heard? There is a conspiracy of homophobes, led by Brian May, to hide Fred's 1970s dong from public view. |
Fireplace 06.07.2019 21:22 |
Holly2003 wrote:Sorry to correct you there, but Fred was hidden from PUBIC view.blueroom wrote: Never knew people had such strong opinions on Hyde Park 76.Hadn't you heard? There is a conspiracy of homophobes, led by Brian May, to hide Fred's 1970s dong from public view. |
brians wig 07.07.2019 09:19 |
Toozeup wrote: Hyde Park was recorded for broadcast but dodgy power supplies on the day led to severe speed fluctuations of both the audio and video recordings. This is the reason it was never broadcast or officially released. QPL have made efforts to fix it but as you can tell from even the most recent clips in documentaries, Freddie's vocals still exhitbit wow and flutter. Recent Queen tape transfers have been done at Plangent who I believe did a lot of work to try and correct the Hyde Park issues as they already have in-house software for correcting speed fluctuations. Our best hope for an official Hyde Park release is that one day the software will be good enough to deal with more severe speed issues.Wow. All this slagging off going on and nobody has picked up on THIS ^^^^^ !!! I've not heard this info before "Toozeup". Where's it from please? |
. 07.07.2019 09:49 |
Can you also provide an example of where speed fluctuation is present on any documentary footage that has been broadcast? |
Negative Creep 07.07.2019 10:49 |
Calling bullshit on that. The speed fluctuations are on the high generation VHS dubs, not the various master tapes. |
thomasquinn 32989 07.07.2019 11:08 |
Negative Creep wrote: Calling bullshit on that. The speed fluctuations are on the high generation VHS dubs, not the various master tapes.It's likely that you're right. But I don't see how we could be sure about that unless we'd have access to either the master tape itself or a copy with a different lineage for comparison. I think we have to call this "undetermined". |
. 07.07.2019 11:34 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:This is why I asked for an example of TV documentary footage where it is present, then it could be determined.Negative Creep wrote: Calling bullshit on that. The speed fluctuations are on the high generation VHS dubs, not the various master tapes.It's likely that you're right. But I don't see how we could be sure about that unless we'd have access to either the master tape itself or a copy with a different lineage for comparison. I think we have to call this "undetermined". In all the footage I have collected over the years I have only noticed the speed fluctuations on video recordings which originate from QTV broadcasts. On these recordings the speed fluctuations occur in the same place the video becomes unstable. White Queen is a good example, but there are lower generation copies where it isn't apparent. |
thomasquinn 32989 07.07.2019 11:44 |
Ok, now that's definitely an indicator. When you say "it isn't apparent", could it have been 'fixed', or does it truly seem like it was never present? |
brians wig 07.07.2019 13:11 |
As far as I'm aware, the official reason given as to why HP hasn't and never will be released in full, is because they don't have the full multitracks for every song. Of course, if this information is out of date, I'm sure Bob will correct me |
The Real Wizard 07.07.2019 16:03 |
brians wig wrote: As far as I'm aware, the official reason given as to why HP hasn't and never will be released in full, is because they don't have the full multitracks for every song. Of course, if this information is out of date, I'm sure Bob will correct meI have no idea. The only people who know are people who have listened to the tapes. All I can tell you is not a note of them has come out apart from You Take My Breath Away. Everything else in documentaries is from the mono video feed. The fact that the only song to emerge has no guitar, bass, drums, or backing vocals may suggest that one or more of those tracks on the 24 track tape may be damaged, but of course that's just speculation. |
Jake12 07.07.2019 19:00 |
I had noticed that too. Always wondered why Take my breath away was the only real release from anything from HP but with that theory it does make sense |
Negative Creep 07.07.2019 19:32 |
Sweet Lady was officially released - as a bonus on a DVD (ANAO documentary bonus?). I haven't watched the DVD in a long long time, but I'm guessing this is ripped from it: link The audio on that is fine, although it does seem to be mono (could be a conversion thing or not) - if it's the original live/rough mix then it is (obviously) much cleaner than the bootlegs. The sound fluctuation comment is obviously just based on the bootlegs - the master of the rough cut is clearly fine based on the above. There's always whispers about supposed technically reasons for things like this and Earls Court not being released, but it's because of Brian and his so called perfectionism (and the fact he clearly doesn't rate Queen very highly as a live band thourh the 70's at least). |
bucsateflon 07.07.2019 19:38 |
If BM decided is not worthy for a release, than it's no debate about it...he is RIGHT! |
. 07.07.2019 20:14 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Ok, now that's definitely an indicator. When you say "it isn't apparent", could it have been 'fixed', or does it truly seem like it was never present?The lower gen mono tapes (with TCR) have not been "fixed", but do not suffer from the same severe "wow and flutter" as the recordings from QTV broadcasts: Stereo clip from TV documentary broadcast: |
aristide1 08.07.2019 09:13 |
Negative Creep wrote: ... the fact Brian clearly doesn't rate Queen very highly as a live band thourh the 70's at least.Why do you think this happens, or what Brian actually said about it (if you know)? Because without this piece of information we are revolving around the same infamous subject I brought up before my crucifixion as a certified homophobic. I'm afraid that Brian's "perfectionism" on Queen as a live band through the 70's can be resumed as follows: It would have been perfect without Freddie's ass on stage. |
The Real Wizard 08.07.2019 15:51 |
Negative Creep wrote: Sweet Lady was officially released - as a bonus on a DVD (ANAO documentary bonus?). I haven't watched the DVD in a long long time, but I'm guessing this is ripped from it: link The audio on that is fine, although it does seem to be mono (could be a conversion thing or not) - if it's the original live/rough mix then it is (obviously) much cleaner than the bootlegs. The sound fluctuation comment is obviously just based on the bootlegs - the master of the rough cut is clearly fine based on the above.Yep. This is just a clean copy of the video feed, not from the 24 track recording. Nobody seems to have any idea why even the best leaked copies sound so much worse. |
. 08.07.2019 16:08 |
It seems pretty obvious to me, all the circulating bootleg videos originate from the same source that was used for the QTV broadcasts. All documentary footage shown on TV broadcasts is fine, be it mono or stereo. |
pittrek 20.08.2019 12:28 |
Negative Creep wrote: Sweet Lady was officially released - as a bonus on a DVD (ANAO documentary bonus?). I haven't watched the DVD in a long long time, but I'm guessing this is ripped from it: link The audio on that is fine, although it does seem to be mono (could be a conversion thing or not) - if it's the original live/rough mix then it is (obviously) much cleaner than the bootlegs. The sound fluctuation comment is obviously just based on the bootlegs - the master of the rough cut is clearly fine based on the above. There's always whispers about supposed technically reasons for things like this and Earls Court not being released, but it's because of Brian and his so called perfectionism (and the fact he clearly doesn't rate Queen very highly as a live band thourh the 70's at least).Not a fair example, though. This "TV edit" is actually different from the QTV edit. It seems to be done very early after the concert itself, because it has been shown on TOTP later in 1976, and on some American show a bit later (Don Kirchner show? No clue, I'm talking from memory). It was also transferred to 16mm film (maybe for an easier conversion to NTSC???? speculation, of course). In other words, "the paths of the two video sources were separated ages ago" |
pittrek 20.08.2019 12:32 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Are you sure about that? What about the Bohemian Rhapsody intro from the 2011 documentary? It had Fred's vocals loud and clear (and not overdubbed), whereas in the common video source you have to concentrate very hard to hear him at all.brians wig wrote: As far as I'm aware, the official reason given as to why HP hasn't and never will be released in full, is because they don't have the full multitracks for every song. Of course, if this information is out of date, I'm sure Bob will correct meI have no idea. The only people who know are people who have listened to the tapes. All I can tell you is not a note of them has come out apart from You Take My Breath Away. Everything else in documentaries is from the mono video feed. The fact that the only song to emerge has no guitar, bass, drums, or backing vocals may suggest that one or more of those tracks on the 24 track tape may be damaged, but of course that's just speculation.Again, the BoRhap intro. But you might be on to something. A pity Brian or Roger won't talk about something like this. |
pittrek 20.08.2019 12:39 |
The Kurgan wrote: It seems pretty obvious to me, all the circulating bootleg videos originate from the same source that was used for the QTV broadcasts. All documentary footage shown on TV broadcasts is fine, be it mono or stereo.I don't agree. I have spent way too much time comparing the dozen or so copies of the gig I got and I think there are 4 main sources (or 3, 2 of the sources come from the same source, the difference is only the quality and the amount of footage before and after the concert). Thanks to the timecode the 4 sources could be perfectly synchronized and they have dropouts and other defects on completely different spots. Not to mention all of the alternate angles etc. |
. 20.08.2019 20:05 |
pittrek wrote:I'm not sure what exactly you are disagreeing with in the quote.The Kurgan wrote: It seems pretty obvious to me, all the circulating bootleg videos originate from the same source that was used for the QTV broadcasts. All documentary footage shown on TV broadcasts is fine, be it mono or stereo.I don't agree. I have spent way too much time comparing the dozen or so copies of the gig I got and I think there are 4 main sources (or 3, 2 of the sources come from the same source, the difference is only the quality and the amount of footage before and after the concert). Thanks to the timecode the 4 sources could be perfectly synchronized and they have dropouts and other defects on completely different spots. Not to mention all of the alternate angles etc. Perhaps you can provide samples of some TV documentary broadcasts where the wow and flutter occurs? |
. 21.08.2019 14:50 |
Also, you state you have a dozen or so copies of this gig? |
. 21.08.2019 15:02 |
Please confirm the sources and perhaps I can make an attempt at a response once I know what it is you disagree with. |