QueenZone discussion #1555204

dysan wrote: I mean, look at the shit I spout on here. *shakes head sadly*

Dougie 4 wrote: Brian May comes off as a bully at times, especially on Instagram where he sometimes goes after individuals, who then become targets for his fans. He is a powerful, influential person and should refrain from naming and shaming individuals, many of whom are young girls

rockchic65 wrote: As Fairy King points out it's meaningless without the source so here you go - link The relevant part After Freddie’s passing, it took some time for Queen to tour again. How would you describe the differences between Paul Rodgers and how you now work with Adam Lambert? It’s a good question. They’re both great, of course. We had a fantastic time with Paul. He has his own style, which we integrated into the band. But what happened was, there was a meeting point where we wanted to go deeply into his music — we were influenced by it in the first place. For me, it was a joy to play “All Right Now,” “Can’t Get Enough of Your Love” and all those things. It became difficult as time went on, though. We would play South America, where people didn’t know that music, so we played more Queen songs. Paul dealt with it well, but I think it was hard for him to abandon a lot of his material. We really enjoyed it as an experiment, but as an experiment it had… limits. Eventually, we thought, “It’s probably gone as far as it can. Paul needs to get back to his own career.” Because he couldn’t just go on being the frontman of Queen. By mutual agreement, we thought, “That’s it.” Now, with Adam, it’s a different story, because Adam can do all the stuff that Freddie did and more. It doesn’t matter what you throw at Adam — he can do it. He can do “Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy” [from 1976’s A Day at the Races], which we wouldn’t dream of throwing at Paul Rodgers, because it just wouldn’t work. With Adam, it’s a different kettle of fish. He’s a born exhibitionist. He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment. He knows how to deal with an audience. He teases and taunts an audience quite naturally, without thinking about it. He loves to dress up. Although Paul did dress up a bit for us. We got a lot of sequins on him. [Laughs] A little bit. Adam lives and breathes that stuff. Adam is style, and that’s not to say he’s not content as well. He’s a born rock star and frontman, so it’s a very vibrant relationship we have with him. We treat Adam exactly the same as we treated Freddie in almost every way. Based on things he's said in the past and how it reads I suspect he means "more" in the context of singing high notes live and not having to alter the key and his voice holding up to touring, he's not meaning he's better than Freddie IMO. He also said this about Freddie. People often think of Freddie as a pianist, but he occasionally played guitar, and he would write with one, too. What kind of guitarist was he? He was very good on the guitar, very unorthodox — all downstrokes. He wrote the riff for “Ogre Battle” [from 1974’s Queen II]. I used to play it with up- and downstrokes, but he was all downstrokes. Imagine how fast his right hand was moving! He had a frenetic energy on the guitar, which came across very well in that song. He played the rhythm on “Crazy Little Thing Called Love.” I wanted to sound as good as Freddie did on that record, which was damn good. He kind of left the guitar after a while and concentrated more on the piano. In the latter days, he even left the piano behind. He just wanted to be a performer who ran around and had the freedom to be a frontman.

Holly2003 wrote: Interesting comments about the split with Paul Rodgers. First time I've heard that as a reason. Does anyone know if the setlists in S. America really changed as much as Brian claims?

rockchic65 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Interesting comments about the split with Paul Rodgers. First time I've heard that as a reason. Does anyone know if the setlists in S. America really changed as much as Brian claims?

This is a setlist from Chile with Paul link

Holly2003 wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Holly2003 wrote: Interesting comments about the split with Paul Rodgers. First time I've heard that as a reason. Does anyone know if the setlists in S. America really changed as much as Brian claims?

This is a setlist from Chile with Paul link

Thanks. A quick survey of other setlists on that tour does suggest fewer non-Queen songs by the end of the tour; but it does seem an odd reason and the wording suggests some reading between the lines is needed. Firstly, the story has always been that when they started collaborating as Queen+ Rodgers wanted an all-Queen set, and B&R insisted that Rodgers's stuff should get a good airing. So far so good, as that tallies with part of what Brian said in the interview. So why then would Rodgers object when fewer of his songs were played, when it was his original idea to play none at all? Maybe he changed his mind over time. Maybe it's an ego thing. But IMO it does seem a bit unlikely. Brian's comment "Paul needs to get back to his own career” seems a bit terse, even though he said it was by mutual consent. Rodgers has since said something similar but different in an important way: he said that they had accomplished everything they set out to do and there was nothing else to achieve. That very media-friendly wording suggests to me something being held back. It's been mentioned on here by someone "in the know" that they had a bust up towards the end of the tour in part because of Rodgers' not bothering to learn the words to songs and using a teleprompter extensively (which perhaps also explains why his phrasing and tempo was often out of step with the band, and also why he never sung the same song the same way from night to night). It was also suggested that Rodgers, Taylor and May weren't getting on together, that they used separate dressing rooms, had two "camps" etc. I suppose in the overall; scheme of things it doesn't really matter, but it's always fascinated me.

Inspired wrote: Brian is talking bull, how is Lambert better than Freddie and more exactly ? Freddie was an outstanding song writer and pianist he was too clever for Adam Lambert and that is a fact, Freddie is regarded as the greatest Rock male singer ever. Freddie wrote some belting songs that Lambert would never achieve so Mr. May is been very spiteful and selling Adam yet again. Hype is Lambert's middle name.

The Real Wizard wrote: Brian is in marketing mode. And he's not fabricating at all. Obviously he's talking about Freddie and Adam in the LIVE environment, not in the studio. This should be a given considering the only work he and Roger have ever done with the latter is LIVE work. He's talking about Lambert's voice. Not creativity or showmanship. He has made this clear numerous times. Apart from much of the 79-82 era, he's basically right - Lambert is the more consistent and disciplined live singer. And if anyone has listened to more than the officially released live albums, they'd know that.

Jimmy Dean wrote: Could it be everyone is right? If I was still 15, I’d agree, Brian is a total douchebag dissing Freddie... everyone is hotheaded when they’re young and immature. But now I’m 35, and I think Brian’s comments are spot on. Actually the Wizard said it best from my point of view, today. With maturity, we learn how to understand Brian’s comments without distorting his intent. He never said Adam is better than Freddie. Nor did he say Adam is as good as Freddie. He meant Adam can handle the duties just as Freddie did. Whereas Paul Rodgers, who is CLEARLY a better vocalist than Adam Lambert, could not.

Day dop wrote:

Jimmy Dean wrote: Could it be everyone is right? If I was still 15, I’d agree, Brian is a total douchebag dissing Freddie... everyone is hotheaded when they’re young and immature. But now I’m 35, and I think Brian’s comments are spot on. Actually the Wizard said it best from my point of view, today. With maturity, we learn how to understand Brian’s comments without distorting his intent. He never said Adam is better than Freddie. Nor did he say Adam is as good as Freddie. He meant Adam can handle the duties just as Freddie did. Whereas Paul Rodgers, who is CLEARLY a better vocalist than Adam Lambert, could not.

You're missing the point. There's zero distortion. May said: “Adam can do all the stuff that Freddie did and more." If you don't think that's May saying Lambert is "better", then I suggest you look up the definition of the word better, the re-read what May said again. Even if you want to argue May's intent, the end result is the same, it's yet another example of May shitting over Freddie's memory, whether it was done intentionally out of spite towards the "troll" in the heat of moment or not. .

Inspired wrote: Brian is only hyping Adam because he knows Adam is his only ticket to staying in the public eye so he is making use of the fact. Brian is been very disrespectful to Freddie though by putting Adam on top of the mountain because he surely does not deserve that praise at all. Adam is a mediocre singer which any cruise ship or men.s choir would have in its attendance. Freddie was the brains and the style and flair behind Queen and with out him Queen would not have existed and May & Taylor would not have been millionaires that is for sure.

Inspired wrote: To all of you nay sayer's check out The Daily Star newspaper page 3 who have caught wind of this story. "Circle of Eidolon" and "Rock Chic" you are talking shit again and wrong . Everyone is talking bout this disgraceful comment from Brian and he has shocked the rock world with his dumb words. I am disgusted that by May and he has just made "£25 million out of Freddie with the Bo Rhap film and now he is shitting on his name.

Inspired wrote: Rockchic Brian says Adam can do everything Freddie could do and MORE........What is the more bit then?

Inspired wrote: Never ever heard Brian saying Freddie was the gift of god when Queen were together those 21 years?

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote:

Jimmy Dean wrote: Could it be everyone is right? If I was still 15, I’d agree, Brian is a total douchebag dissing Freddie... everyone is hotheaded when they’re young and immature. But now I’m 35, and I think Brian’s comments are spot on. Actually the Wizard said it best from my point of view, today. With maturity, we learn how to understand Brian’s comments without distorting his intent. He never said Adam is better than Freddie. Nor did he say Adam is as good as Freddie. He meant Adam can handle the duties just as Freddie did. Whereas Paul Rodgers, who is CLEARLY a better vocalist than Adam Lambert, could not.

You're missing the point. There's zero distortion. May said: “Adam can do all the stuff that Freddie did and more." If you don't think that's May saying Lambert is "better", then I suggest you look up the definition of the word better, the re-read what May said again. Even if you want to argue May's intent, the end result is the same, it's yet another example of May shitting over Freddie's memory, whether it was done intentionally out of spite towards the "troll" in the heat of moment or not. .

You just pissed on my rug, dude. I read it again but not the definition to better as I believe you are distorting what Brian literally said. He did say he can do what Freddie did and more. But he didn’t say that he is better than Freddie. It is the definition “and more” that is being misconstrued.... Adam uses props, does more wardrobe changes, does tease the audience and speak to the audience a fair bit more than Freddie did... and I’ve been to 2 shows... he gets annoying to listen to after a while. What “and more” did Brian mean? Is it more plausible to assume the list above? Or does it suit everyone to assume he meant better vocals or that he is better at writing songs, etc. I agree, Adam does do “more” to compensate for what he lacks. And as such, does a fuckin ace job under the circumstances of not actually being Freddie Mercury.

Inspired wrote: You lot on here refuse to accept that Brian is been disrespectful to Freddie

Day dop wrote: May also said, "He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment." No, Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. "Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move." link link

The Real Wizard wrote:

Day dop wrote: May also said, "He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment." No, Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. "Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move." link link

Sure. And at his best nobody could touch him. But let's not forget that said equipment sometimes failed for entire tours. Have you listened to the bootleg tapes from 1979 and 84? Brian is in marketing mode. Of course he's going to say nice things about the person who's sitting in for the greatest frontman of all time. He can't say he's not quite as good.

Inspired wrote: Brian should keep his mouth shut and not say things like Adam can do what Freddie does and MORE......... Disrespectful to the late great Freddie,

Day dop wrote: May also said, "He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment." No, Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. "Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move." link link

frank152 wrote: When is everyone gonna realise that Queen + is not Queen. If u don’t like Queen + don’t go to the gigs. Most people who slag it off haven’t been to a Queen + show. People take everything to heart to much For example does Adam have problems singing the high bits live? No Did Freddie? yes with his vocal problems often letting roger carry the high notes. That’s an example of something “more” than Freddie Freddie is only human at the end of the day. Does that make Freddie shit no Is Adam shit no. I personally think Adam sings who wants to live forever better than Freddie live to the point gives me chills. And i’ve Heard other Freddie fans say that. What Brian n roger has done is great for queens legacy they have kept Queen in public eye all these years n people are still talking about them. And in turn keeping Freddie very much alive.

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote: May also said, "He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment." No, Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. "Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move." link link

more distortion. yes, Brian said parallel equipment. He chose his words wisely... he didn't use the word "same" nor did he use terms such as "talent", "league", "skills", etc... he used "equipment"... he purposefully used a generic term and described it as "parallel". Actually the definition of a "parallel" should be enough to suggest he did not mean the word "same". also, never qualified that equipment. he didn't say the quality of the equipment that adam has is equivalent to Freddie's. not once. my reading skills are quite good. as are my interpretive skills. i can probably say, you and i have the same equipment in that regard. we clearly both have brains, and a device of some sort to communicate with. so far, i didn't insult you... but i you may think i did if i had your interpretive skills ;-) back to "parallel set of equipment"... parallel, would mean "side by side and having the same distance continuously between them"... equipment would mean "the necessary items for a particular purpose". i believe he chose the word parallel to mean, no, he is not as good as freddie, as there will always be that same distance between them. But yes, they do have the same "equpiment"... such that they have great voices, can play with the audience, have stage presence, etc etc... and hey, while we're at it... and more: wardrobe changes, more interaction, greater sense of humility, etc etc etc (Stuff a lot of us find annoying... but is still quantifiable as "more"). And finally, the guy has a PhD... so yes, i do believe, he chose his words, to mean exactly what he said... and not what you have quickly interpreted.

Day dop wrote:

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote: May also said, "He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment." No, Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. "Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move." link link

more distortion. yes, Brian said parallel equipment. He chose his words wisely... he didn't use the word "same" nor did he use terms such as "talent", "league", "skills", etc... he used "equipment"... he purposefully used a generic term and described it as "parallel". Actually the definition of a "parallel" should be enough to suggest he did not mean the word "same". also, never qualified that equipment. he didn't say the quality of the equipment that adam has is equivalent to Freddie's. not once. my reading skills are quite good. as are my interpretive skills. i can probably say, you and i have the same equipment in that regard. we clearly both have brains, and a device of some sort to communicate with. so far, i didn't insult you... but i you may think i did if i had your interpretive skills ;-) back to "parallel set of equipment"... parallel, would mean "side by side and having the same distance continuously between them"... equipment would mean "the necessary items for a particular purpose". i believe he chose the word parallel to mean, no, he is not as good as freddie, as there will always be that same distance between them. But yes, they do have the same "equpiment"... such that they have great voices, can play with the audience, have stage presence, etc etc... and hey, while we're at it... and more: wardrobe changes, more interaction, greater sense of humility, etc etc etc (Stuff a lot of us find annoying... but is still quantifiable as "more"). And finally, the guy has a PhD... so yes, i do believe, he chose his words, to mean exactly what he said... and not what you have quickly interpreted.

You don't like being proved wrong, do you? I think you need to look up the word "distortion". I've already pointed out that I didn't distort anything in the first place. You've not acknowledged that. Instead, bizarrely, you come out with "more distortion". No. Not at all. Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. I've already said this, and dropped the link to the articles that you can click on to reach the scientific journal and read about Mercury's voice. Your reading and interpretation skills seem to be as bad as your English.

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote:

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote: May also said, "He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment." No, Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. "Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move." link link

more distortion. yes, Brian said parallel equipment. He chose his words wisely... he didn't use the word "same" nor did he use terms such as "talent", "league", "skills", etc... he used "equipment"... he purposefully used a generic term and described it as "parallel". Actually the definition of a "parallel" should be enough to suggest he did not mean the word "same". also, never qualified that equipment. he didn't say the quality of the equipment that adam has is equivalent to Freddie's. not once. my reading skills are quite good. as are my interpretive skills. i can probably say, you and i have the same equipment in that regard. we clearly both have brains, and a device of some sort to communicate with. so far, i didn't insult you... but i you may think i did if i had your interpretive skills ;-) back to "parallel set of equipment"... parallel, would mean "side by side and having the same distance continuously between them"... equipment would mean "the necessary items for a particular purpose". i believe he chose the word parallel to mean, no, he is not as good as freddie, as there will always be that same distance between them. But yes, they do have the same "equpiment"... such that they have great voices, can play with the audience, have stage presence, etc etc... and hey, while we're at it... and more: wardrobe changes, more interaction, greater sense of humility, etc etc etc (Stuff a lot of us find annoying... but is still quantifiable as "more"). And finally, the guy has a PhD... so yes, i do believe, he chose his words, to mean exactly what he said... and not what you have quickly interpreted.

You don't like being proved wrong, do you? I think you need to look up the word "distortion". I've already pointed out that I didn't distort anything in the first place. You've not acknowledged that. Instead, bizarrely, you come out with "more distortion". No. Not at all. Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. I've already said this, and dropped the link to the articles that you can click on to reach the scientific journal and read about Mercury's voice. Your reading and interpretation skills seem to be as bad as your English.

i'm rarely wrong. not here, definitely not. distortion: the action of giving a misleading account or impression. (you're making me use a dictionary for the first time in maybe 20 years! and it ends up proving me.... great king rat drum roll....rrrrrrright again sir). i don't have the best interpretation skills, i work with many people who are better than i, and yes it's possible that my interpretation skills are as good or as bad as my english. I'm not an english major nor do i pretend to be - i'm just a lowly highly trained tax expert that reads and interprets taxation acts, legal cases and other trivial mumbo jumbo like that. i need to work on my queenzone interpretive skills where you are only correct if you believe adam lambert is the worst thing to happen to a queenfan regardless of the outcome. i understand that I need to learn to accept it. alas, this is my greatest weakness. one day, i too, will see the light.

Day dop wrote:

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote:

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote: May also said, "He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment." No, Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. "Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move." link link

more distortion. yes, Brian said parallel equipment. He chose his words wisely... he didn't use the word "same" nor did he use terms such as "talent", "league", "skills", etc... he used "equipment"... he purposefully used a generic term and described it as "parallel". Actually the definition of a "parallel" should be enough to suggest he did not mean the word "same". also, never qualified that equipment. he didn't say the quality of the equipment that adam has is equivalent to Freddie's. not once. my reading skills are quite good. as are my interpretive skills. i can probably say, you and i have the same equipment in that regard. we clearly both have brains, and a device of some sort to communicate with. so far, i didn't insult you... but i you may think i did if i had your interpretive skills ;-) back to "parallel set of equipment"... parallel, would mean "side by side and having the same distance continuously between them"... equipment would mean "the necessary items for a particular purpose". i believe he chose the word parallel to mean, no, he is not as good as freddie, as there will always be that same distance between them. But yes, they do have the same "equpiment"... such that they have great voices, can play with the audience, have stage presence, etc etc... and hey, while we're at it... and more: wardrobe changes, more interaction, greater sense of humility, etc etc etc (Stuff a lot of us find annoying... but is still quantifiable as "more"). And finally, the guy has a PhD... so yes, i do believe, he chose his words, to mean exactly what he said... and not what you have quickly interpreted.

You don't like being proved wrong, do you? I think you need to look up the word "distortion". I've already pointed out that I didn't distort anything in the first place. You've not acknowledged that. Instead, bizarrely, you come out with "more distortion". No. Not at all. Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. I've already said this, and dropped the link to the articles that you can click on to reach the scientific journal and read about Mercury's voice. Your reading and interpretation skills seem to be as bad as your English.

i'm rarely wrong. not here, definitely not. distortion: the action of giving a misleading account or impression. (you're making me use a dictionary for the first time in maybe 20 years! and it ends up proving me.... great king rat drum roll....rrrrrrright again sir). i don't have the best interpretation skills, i work with many people who are better than i, and yes it's possible that my interpretation skills are as good or as bad as my english. I'm not an english major nor do i pretend to be - i'm just a lowly highly trained tax expert that reads and interprets taxation acts, legal cases and other trivial mumbo jumbo like that. i need to work on my queenzone interpretive skills where you are only correct if you believe adam lambert is the worst thing to happen to a queenfan regardless of the outcome. i understand that I need to learn to accept it. alas, this is my greatest weakness. one day, i too, will see the light.

So now you should understand that you've been misapplying the word "distortion" when it comes to what I've said. Yes, May said "equipment", hence I dropped the link to the scientific journal. What part of this don't you grasp? You've not read the journal, have you? Here's the direct link to the journal: link

Inspired wrote: So Brian has had more than his fair share of digs at Freddie and even attacked John by saying "John was delicate" and Roger saying "Fred is dead" get over it! May & Taylor have become bitter old men.

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote:

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote:

Jimmy Dean wrote:

Day dop wrote: May also said, "He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment." No, Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. "Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move." link link

more distortion. yes, Brian said parallel equipment. He chose his words wisely... he didn't use the word "same" nor did he use terms such as "talent", "league", "skills", etc... he used "equipment"... he purposefully used a generic term and described it as "parallel". Actually the definition of a "parallel" should be enough to suggest he did not mean the word "same". also, never qualified that equipment. he didn't say the quality of the equipment that adam has is equivalent to Freddie's. not once. my reading skills are quite good. as are my interpretive skills. i can probably say, you and i have the same equipment in that regard. we clearly both have brains, and a device of some sort to communicate with. so far, i didn't insult you... but i you may think i did if i had your interpretive skills ;-) back to "parallel set of equipment"... parallel, would mean "side by side and having the same distance continuously between them"... equipment would mean "the necessary items for a particular purpose". i believe he chose the word parallel to mean, no, he is not as good as freddie, as there will always be that same distance between them. But yes, they do have the same "equpiment"... such that they have great voices, can play with the audience, have stage presence, etc etc... and hey, while we're at it... and more: wardrobe changes, more interaction, greater sense of humility, etc etc etc (Stuff a lot of us find annoying... but is still quantifiable as "more"). And finally, the guy has a PhD... so yes, i do believe, he chose his words, to mean exactly what he said... and not what you have quickly interpreted.

You don't like being proved wrong, do you? I think you need to look up the word "distortion". I've already pointed out that I didn't distort anything in the first place. You've not acknowledged that. Instead, bizarrely, you come out with "more distortion". No. Not at all. Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. I've already said this, and dropped the link to the articles that you can click on to reach the scientific journal and read about Mercury's voice. Your reading and interpretation skills seem to be as bad as your English.

i'm rarely wrong. not here, definitely not. distortion: the action of giving a misleading account or impression. (you're making me use a dictionary for the first time in maybe 20 years! and it ends up proving me.... great king rat drum roll....rrrrrrright again sir). i don't have the best interpretation skills, i work with many people who are better than i, and yes it's possible that my interpretation skills are as good or as bad as my english. I'm not an english major nor do i pretend to be - i'm just a lowly highly trained tax expert that reads and interprets taxation acts, legal cases and other trivial mumbo jumbo like that. i need to work on my queenzone interpretive skills where you are only correct if you believe adam lambert is the worst thing to happen to a queenfan regardless of the outcome. i understand that I need to learn to accept it. alas, this is my greatest weakness. one day, i too, will see the light.

So now you should understand that you've been misapplying the word "distortion" when it comes to what I've said. Yes, May said "equipment", hence I dropped the link to the scientific journal. What part of this don't you grasp? You've not read the journal, have you? Here's the direct link to the journal: link

i wasn't clear - sorry, what i meant was you distort the word equipment to mean quality of vocal chords, but i'm using the simple definition in that the equipment is the vocal chords - not the quality. the "distortion" i speak of is that you are giving a misleading impression of what brian meant when he said "parallel set of equipment"... he did not definitely mean that the quality of the equipment was the same... which is exactly why he said "parallel". If two people walked in parallel forever, will they ever meet? if freddie's equpment is parallel to adam's and say, freddie's is better... based on brian's analogy, will adam ever be as good as freddie? essentially, we are both saying the same thing, freddie does have better equipment. i'm saying, brian never qualified adam's nor freddie's equipment - maybe he should have. rather than to insult adam, who he is currently working with, he simply said parallel equipment... which could BOTH be argued to mean better equipment, or worse equipment... there is not one person in the world who would argue that adam's "equipment" is better than freddie's.... they are "parallel".... which again, does not mean they are the of the same quality. that is all i am saying. but no, sorry, i didn't get a chance to read the journal... if they define equipment as quality of vocals, then yes, maybe i am wrong in that case. i used the definition that 99.99% use found on wikipedia.

Day dop wrote:

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Day dop wrote: May also said, "He’s not Freddie, and he’s not pretending to be him, but he has a parallel set of equipment." No, Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. "Mercury’s vocal cords just moved faster than other people’s. While a typical vibrato will fluctuate between 5.4 Hz and 6.9 Hz, Mercury’s was 7.04 Hz. To look at that in a more scientific way, a perfect sine wave for vibrato assumes the value of 1, which is pretty close to where famous opera singer Luciano Pavarotti sat. Mercury, on the other hand, averaged a value of 0.57, meaning he was vibrating something in his throat even Pavarotti couldn’t move." link link

more distortion. yes, Brian said parallel equipment. He chose his words wisely... he didn't use the word "same" nor did he use terms such as "talent", "league", "skills", etc... he used "equipment"... he purposefully used a generic term and described it as "parallel". Actually the definition of a "parallel" should be enough to suggest he did not mean the word "same". also, never qualified that equipment. he didn't say the quality of the equipment that adam has is equivalent to Freddie's. not once. my reading skills are quite good. as are my interpretive skills. i can probably say, you and i have the same equipment in that regard. we clearly both have brains, and a device of some sort to communicate with. so far, i didn't insult you... but i you may think i did if i had your interpretive skills ;-) back to "parallel set of equipment"... parallel, would mean "side by side and having the same distance continuously between them"... equipment would mean "the necessary items for a particular purpose". i believe he chose the word parallel to mean, no, he is not as good as freddie, as there will always be that same distance between them. But yes, they do have the same "equpiment"... such that they have great voices, can play with the audience, have stage presence, etc etc... and hey, while we're at it... and more: wardrobe changes, more interaction, greater sense of humility, etc etc etc (Stuff a lot of us find annoying... but is still quantifiable as "more"). And finally, the guy has a PhD... so yes, i do believe, he chose his words, to mean exactly what he said... and not what you have quickly interpreted.

You don't like being proved wrong, do you? I think you need to look up the word "distortion". I've already pointed out that I didn't distort anything in the first place. You've not acknowledged that. Instead, bizarrely, you come out with "more distortion". No. Not at all. Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment whatsoever. I've already said this, and dropped the link to the articles that you can click on to reach the scientific journal and read about Mercury's voice. Your reading and interpretation skills seem to be as bad as your English.

i'm rarely wrong. not here, definitely not. distortion: the action of giving a misleading account or impression. (you're making me use a dictionary for the first time in maybe 20 years! and it ends up proving me.... great king rat drum roll....rrrrrrright again sir). i don't have the best interpretation skills, i work with many people who are better than i, and yes it's possible that my interpretation skills are as good or as bad as my english. I'm not an english major nor do i pretend to be - i'm just a lowly highly trained tax expert that reads and interprets taxation acts, legal cases and other trivial mumbo jumbo like that. i need to work on my queenzone interpretive skills where you are only correct if you believe adam lambert is the worst thing to happen to a queenfan regardless of the outcome. i understand that I need to learn to accept it. alas, this is my greatest weakness. one day, i too, will see the light.

So now you should understand that you've been misapplying the word "distortion" when it comes to what I've said. Yes, May said "equipment", hence I dropped the link to the scientific journal. What part of this don't you grasp? You've not read the journal, have you? Here's the direct link to the journal: link

i wasn't clear - sorry, what i meant was you distort the word equipment to mean quality of vocal chords, but i'm using the simple definition in that the equipment is the vocal chords - not the quality. the "distortion" i speak of is that you are giving a misleading impression of what brian meant when he said "parallel set of equipment"... he did not definitely mean that the quality of the equipment was the same... which is exactly why he said "parallel". If two people walked in parallel forever, will they ever meet? if freddie's equpment is parallel to adam's and say, freddie's is better... based on brian's analogy, will adam ever be as good as freddie? essentially, we are both saying the same thing, freddie does have better equipment. i'm saying, brian never qualified adam's nor freddie's equipment - maybe he should have. rather than to insult adam, who he is currently working with, he simply said parallel equipment... which could BOTH be argued to mean better equipment, or worse equipment... there is not one person in the world who would argue that adam's "equipment" is better than freddie's.... they are "parallel".... which again, does not mean they are the of the same quality. that is all i am saying. but no, sorry, i didn't get a chance to read the journal... if they define equipment as quality of vocals, then yes, maybe i am wrong in that case. i used the definition that 99.99% use found on wikipedia.

Except I've not distorted what May said at all. I'm going on what May actually said. You've been going on what you want to interpret it as. There's been plenty of examples of how it's been interpreted different ways on this very thread, by some defending May's words. Examples including thinking it's his interaction with the audience, some think it's about Lambert hitting the high notes. I'm going on what the actual words May said. And Lambert does not have a parallel set of equipment.

Inspired wrote: Day drop Lets see if Vocal Harmony or her user name Circle of Eidolon comments on your post, Mrs righteous now i have spoken lol

Day dop wrote: I think people already know that Queen and Queen+ aren't the same thing. The issue is when you log into Queenzone and see Lambert stuff in the Queen section, or you have to unfollow the Queen page on facebook as they keep promoting Lambert, when you consider him to be nothing other than tacky. I have been to a Queen+AL show, back when he started singing for May and Taylor. And what you see on YouTube is the same as what you get in real life. Harsh, grating vocals. Sure, Lambert can hit the high notes whereas Freddie couldn't when he suffered from vocal nodlues. But that's just one thing. Everything else, Mercury did way better, so May's choice of words was poor. Overall, Mercury had a far soupier voice and was 10 times the front-man Lambert could ever wish to be. Is Adam shit? Yes, in my opinion. I find his voice intolerable, and his style tacky as hell. Lambert doesn't sing anything better as Lambert's voice is thin, harsh and grating. Freddie had a wonderful tone to his voice.

Inspired wrote: Seems that Brian has be swamped with complaints about his precious "little gift from god" hype named Adam Mitchel Lambert, he cannot bare to hear Queen fans slagging him off so he goes to the press and tells them all Adam is king of rock he is super he is even capable of been the next president Trump only fag style lol Brian is really transparent now we have heard all this shit from his mouth now for 8 years so smell the coffee guys it is a publicity stunt, Freddie was mega brilliant but Brian never ran to the press to tell them how brilliant he was did he!

Inspired wrote: Seems like Brian has done a U turn from Adam can do this and Adam can do that and MORE to Freddie and "oh he put so much passion into "Time" what a hypocrite Brian really is. He seems to be trying to cover his past stupid ridiculous comments over now by trying to be nice to OUR Fred.

Inspired wrote: Rockchic: Brian loves publicity and hype and anything to mention the AL word to get his tickets sold. If there is money to be made he will spout rubbish to the press and he has become a shrew business man from the timid young guy he was all those years ago, you need to wake up love.

Sebastian wrote: I don't mind Adam. He can sing, of course, even if he's not the sort of artist I'd normally listen to (and it's not at all because of his sexuality, I don't care about that). The point is, neither Roger nor Brian need my permission (or anyone else's, for that matter). People can diss Adam all they want, the fact is he's still more than good enough for the only two people who actually have a say in this. And yes, in terms of singing Queen stuff on-stage for a full-length tour, Adam can do anything Frederick could, and more. Whether or not he wrote or co-wrote those songs or plays instruments or produces or was there in the trenches is completely irrelevant - they're not hiring him to pen the next 'Bo Rhap', they're hiring him to front and sing, which he does, to a sufficiently high standard that they keep hiring him and promoting him and praising him. Should Adam ever read this forum, he's unlikely to resign. He's gonna wipe his tears with heaps of hundred-dollar, hundred-pound and hundred-euro notes he's rightfully getting for doing what he loves and doing it right enough that Brian and Roger seem to be satisfied and pleased with his work. While most (not all) of us has never met them and will never meet them, he gets to routinely perform with them, earn good money to do it, make them happy, make himself happy and make thousands of audience members happy. Even if I hated him (I don't), I'm aware I'm not in a position to judge. He does what he does, does it well, and he deserves to be as famous as he is. He also deserves to be fronting Maylor, as they chose him. Considering they could've head-hunted virtually anybody in the world and they picked him, and considering how good musicians they both are, I think that's as high a compliment as anyone could aspire to. And he's earned it.

Inspired wrote: You are obviously talking utter crap, have you heard Lambert's thin shrieking voice, he is no showman far from it, and Brian will not shut up hyping him and this has been going on for 8 years now, if Lambert was as good as Brian says he is then nothing would be said as Lambert's voice would sell the tickets alone and not rely on the hype and overkill and May & Taylor to back him up still. Most audiences mainly go to the shows to see Brian & Roger and ignore Adam, but i think fans have a right to let Maylor know that they are disgusted with them picking a cheesy American idol singer as there lead singer what a shock and a huge let down. They still remain a laughing stock and we know they have lost the plot even if they are laughing all the way to the bank with idiots who still go to see them. Queen arguably where a real band 1971 to 1991 end off.

rockchic65 wrote: Well said, 100% agree.

Queen Freddie Forever wrote: You have to admit Adam can't replace Freddie.

Inspired wrote: Yous lot on here are nuts supporting them.

Inspired wrote: Seems like Brian has done a U turn from Adam can do this and Adam can do that and MORE to Freddie and "oh he put so much passion into "Time" what a hypocrite Brian really is. He seems to be trying to cover his past stupid ridiculous comments over now by trying to be nice to OUR Fred.

Inspired wrote: The Circle Of Eidolon Yes back in 1991 Brian may have said the odd complementary thing about Freddie but that was before he clapped eyes on the dreadful Adam Lambert and since then Brian has crowed on for the past 8 years how great he is, he never done that when Paul Rodgers was fronting Queen did he! Brian protests too much in interviews about Adam so he must be surely hyping him and trying to sell him because of his lack of skills as a front man,

Inspired wrote: Paul Rodgers is still more worthy of praise than Adam as he has more experience and can deal with massive audiences better. Brian was making Adam out to be a showman the first day he walked out on stage which was ridiculous. Brian is self centred and at times and he does blow those trumpets for Adam too much these days it is getting very tedious now. Even the DJ on the radio said of Brian saying "Adam can do anything Freddie can do" "Excuse me we are talking about the late great Freddie Mercury here who is unbeatable to anyone out there"!

Queen Freddie Forever wrote: I have no problems with Adam (or Paul) playing with Queen. What I do have problems with is people saying he can REPLACE Freddie Mercury. Freddie's music, style, and showmanship, as well as his ability to manipulate the audience make his one of, if not THE greatest performer of all time. Neither Paul or Adam can possibly replace Freddie. IMO, both Paul and Adam are okay performers, but to say they can replace Freddie is ridiculous.

Inspired wrote: We can all argue this fact but it simply is not Queen with two band members so calling the band Queen+ is false . Queen is or was made up of four men that was the whole equation and now watered down to two men and a wannabe rock singer who fails that department miserably. People are getting short changed paying massive amounts of money for tickets for what?

Inspired wrote: We can all argue this fact but it simply is not Queen with two band members so calling the band Queen+ is false .

Inspired wrote: Queen is or was made up of four men that was the whole equation

Inspired wrote: a wannabe rock singer who fails that department miserably.

Inspired wrote: People are getting short changed paying massive amounts of money for tickets for what?

Inspired wrote: I do not care what is going on around he globe but what i do care about is my favourite band getting trashed by some novice pub crooner who thinks he is gods gift and getting hyped by two desperate old men who once had the greatest front man in rock.

queenfan09 wrote: @MisterCosmicc - That's what I get for clicking on a link with no description...so wrong - LOL

Sebastian wrote: I don't mind Adam. He can sing, of course, even if he's not the sort of artist I'd normally listen to (and it's not at all because of his sexuality, I don't care about that). The point is, neither Roger nor Brian need my permission (or anyone else's, for that matter). People can diss Adam all they want, the fact is he's still more than good enough for the only two people who actually have a say in this. And yes, in terms of singing Queen stuff on-stage for a full-length tour, Adam can do anything Frederick could, and more. Whether or not he wrote or co-wrote those songs or plays instruments or produces or was there in the trenches is completely irrelevant - they're not hiring him to pen the next 'Bo Rhap', they're hiring him to front and sing, which he does, to a sufficiently high standard that they keep hiring him and promoting him and praising him. Should Adam ever read this forum, he's unlikely to resign. He's gonna wipe his tears with heaps of hundred-dollar, hundred-pound and hundred-euro notes he's rightfully getting for doing what he loves and doing it right enough that Brian and Roger seem to be satisfied and pleased with his work. While most (not all) of us have never met them and will never meet them, he gets to routinely perform with them, earn good money to do it, make them happy, make himself happy and make thousands of audience members happy. Even if I hated him (I don't), I'm aware I'm not in a position to judge. He does what he does, does it well, and he deserves to be as famous as he is. He also deserves to be fronting Maylor, as they chose him. Considering they could've head-hunted virtually anybody in the world and they picked him, and considering how good musicians they both are, I think that's as high a compliment as anyone could aspire to. And he's earned it.

Inspired wrote: You are obviously talking utter crap, have you heard Lambert's thin shrieking voice, he is no showman far from it, and Brian will not shut up hyping him and this has been going on for 8 years now, if Lambert was as good as Brian says he is then nothing would be said as Lambert's voice would sell the tickets alone and not rely on the hype and overkill and May & Taylor to back him up still. Most audiences mainly go to the shows to see Brian & Roger and ignore Adam, but i think fans have a right to let Maylor know that they are disgusted with them picking a cheesy American idol singer as there lead singer what a shock and a huge let down. They still remain a laughing stock and we know they have lost the plot even if they are laughing all the way to the bank with idiots who still go to see them. Queen arguably where a real band 1971 to 1991 end off.

Inspired wrote: Most audiences mainly go to the shows to see Brian & Roger and ignore Adam

Inspired wrote: That racing car ended up with a skoda engine and was never the same again lol

The Real Wizard wrote:

Sebastian wrote: I don't mind Adam. He can sing, of course, even if he's not the sort of artist I'd normally listen to (and it's not at all because of his sexuality, I don't care about that). The point is, neither Roger nor Brian need my permission (or anyone else's, for that matter). People can diss Adam all they want, the fact is he's still more than good enough for the only two people who actually have a say in this. And yes, in terms of singing Queen stuff on-stage for a full-length tour, Adam can do anything Frederick could, and more. Whether or not he wrote or co-wrote those songs or plays instruments or produces or was there in the trenches is completely irrelevant - they're not hiring him to pen the next 'Bo Rhap', they're hiring him to front and sing, which he does, to a sufficiently high standard that they keep hiring him and promoting him and praising him. Should Adam ever read this forum, he's unlikely to resign. He's gonna wipe his tears with heaps of hundred-dollar, hundred-pound and hundred-euro notes he's rightfully getting for doing what he loves and doing it right enough that Brian and Roger seem to be satisfied and pleased with his work. While most (not all) of us have never met them and will never meet them, he gets to routinely perform with them, earn good money to do it, make them happy, make himself happy and make thousands of audience members happy. Even if I hated him (I don't), I'm aware I'm not in a position to judge. He does what he does, does it well, and he deserves to be as famous as he is. He also deserves to be fronting Maylor, as they chose him. Considering they could've head-hunted virtually anybody in the world and they picked him, and considering how good musicians they both are, I think that's as high a compliment as anyone could aspire to. And he's earned it.

Inspired wrote: You are obviously talking utter crap, have you heard Lambert's thin shrieking voice, he is no showman far from it, and Brian will not shut up hyping him and this has been going on for 8 years now, if Lambert was as good as Brian says he is then nothing would be said as Lambert's voice would sell the tickets alone and not rely on the hype and overkill and May & Taylor to back him up still. Most audiences mainly go to the shows to see Brian & Roger and ignore Adam, but i think fans have a right to let Maylor know that they are disgusted with them picking a cheesy American idol singer as there lead singer what a shock and a huge let down. They still remain a laughing stock and we know they have lost the plot even if they are laughing all the way to the bank with idiots who still go to see them. Queen arguably where a real band 1971 to 1991 end off.

If anyone needs a crash course in observing a 50 point difference in IQ, here it is.

The Circle of Eidolon wrote:

Inspired wrote: That racing car ended up with a skoda engine and was never the same again lol

We The Circle of Eidolon have read your attempt at wit and in it have witnessed you abundantly limited knowledge. Skoda are part of the VW Audi group. The engines they produce power all three makes. Some quite fast models. Your comment is out dated because you are unaware of most things that don't involve Freddie Mercury. Again a lesson could be learnt here but, as with many times before, we feel that any learning is beyond where you choose to place your mind. . . The Circle of Eidolon has spoken.

Inspired wrote: Dysan : I am not pushing people away and you know everything on this site is an opinion, so chill out and stop getting worked up. It is ok though for Brian to put Lambert on a pedestal one minute then be two faced and make £28 million for himself out of Freddie's legacy, nice little salary that one You see Brian can switch when he chooses to and makes money out of ridiculous comments. Even the DJ on the radio said how ridiculous Brian's comment was saying Adam was greater than Freddie, what is this man on??? Great guitarist but very two faced and spins lies like there is no tomorrow.

dysan wrote: BRAIN SHULD STICK TO PLAYIN DRUMS AND SHUT HIS MOTH

Inspired wrote: The circle of Eidolon: You need to be less confrontational and let people have there own opinions on here because as usual you are talking out of your arse. The Real Wizard@ Do not waste your time reading my essential posts because you will get a nose bleed and need to sit down with a book on Adam Lambert showing his pussy and that may get you rather excited. He he he he

Inspired wrote: The Circle of Eidolon Now which idiot is behind that name on here? I think its vocal harmony, anyway she is very opinionated and should not judge anyone on here but she does which makes her a true hypocrite . I take no notice what so ever of this individual, i read the posts then dismiss them completely. jog on dear because your not superior your just demented.