| Lord Fickle 07.06.2019 10:30 |
link |
| dudeofqueen 07.06.2019 11:32 |
Yawn,....... |
| Queenman!! 07.06.2019 15:08 |
link A previously lost song featuring the vocals of the late great Freddie Mercury is to be released. 'Time Waits For No One' was penned for West End show 'Time in 1986 by musician Dave Clark. However, the Queen frontman - who passed away from complications with AIDS at the age of 45 in 1991 - had recorded his own take on the ballad, which had been lost for a decade until recently. Clark, a member of the 60s group Dave Clark Five, told Britain's The I newspaper: "The version rehearsed at Abbey Road was just Freddie with a piano. It was magic and it gave me goosebumps. "The produced version ended up with 48 vocal tracks. It took me years to track down the original master tape of just Freddie singing." The song - which is described as one of the 'We Will Rock You' singer's finest vocal performances - is set for release on June 21 via Virgin/EMI and will be accompanied with a video of Freddie talking about working on the song filmed at London's Dominion Theatre. This isn't the only unheard music from Freddie, as it was previously revealed that Queen has unreleased tracks with David Bowie laying around. Peter Hince, the band's former roadie, was travelling with the British rock legends when they collaborated with the late music legend - who passed away in January last year after a secret battle with cancer - on 'Under Pressure' in 1981. In his new tome, 'David Bowie: I Was There', he said they had done much more together than the one song. In an excerpt, he wrote: "They ... performed some original songs they did together , and also covers. They were just jamming in the studio, and it all got recorded - 'All The Young Dudes', 'All The Way From Memphis' and various rock classics." Speaking to the publication, Peter teased there are some real gems of the icons duetting. He said: "There's stuff with Freddie and David singing together - proper full-length rock 'n' roll tracks. Raw, but good." Although Queen's management declined to comment on the tracks, the group's guitarist Brian May recently said the famous pair "locked horns" during the recording of 'Under Pressure', the biggest hit from 1982 LP 'Hot Space'. The 'We Will Rock You' hitmaker said he tries to focus only on the "wonderful" memories he has of that time, and revealed there is still music that hasn't "come to light" yet. He said: "It wasn't easy because we were all precocious boys and David was very... forceful, yes. "Freddie and David locked horns, without a doubt. But those are the things that happen in a studio, that's when the sparks fly and that's why it turned out so great. "[They locked horns] in subtle ways, like who would arrive last at the studio. So it was sort of wonderful and terrible. But in my mind, I remember the wonderful now, more than the terrible. "And not all of what we did in those sessions has ever come to light, so there's a thought..." |
| Golden Salmon 07.06.2019 16:06 |
I'm all for something new, even if it's just a different version of a previously known track. There's probably a lot more in the same vein that we're missing. |
| dudeofqueen 07.06.2019 16:10 |
Clark is better off spending his energy getting the Ready! Steady! Go! tapes cleaned up and released; they're of FAR more historical worth. |
| QueenFan11 07.06.2019 16:31 |
I'm confused. Is this an entirely new song or an alternate version of "Time"? Either way, new stuff is always exciting. I hope that Freddie's vocals are as good as they make it sound. |
| matt z 07.06.2019 17:18 |
^ probably an entirely different arrangement according to the article quoted directly above. Words likely the same. |
| ANAGRAMER 08.06.2019 15:56 |
The track Time is not one of Freddie's best vocal moments; espwcially the ending....not expecting too much from this cash-in release |
| Lord Fickle 08.06.2019 18:10 |
The news article states that this is a different take so maybe a better vocal performance? Anyway, I'm starting to have my doubts about it, as it doesn't seem to have appeared anywhere else, and I would have thought this was quite big news. |
| dysan 08.06.2019 21:09 |
Bowie 'who passed away in January last year' Erm… when is this from? |
| Nathan H 08.06.2019 21:53 |
Lord Fickle wrote: Anyway, I'm starting to have my doubts about it, as it doesn't seem to have appeared anywhere else, and I would have thought this was quite big news.Yeah I thought that too - does anybody know what the original source is? Surely by now there would've been an official announcement especially if the release date is in the next couple of weeks. |
| MrFunster 09.06.2019 09:37 |
I am afraid this all fake news again. Very frustrating. Queen says nothing about this release. |
| MrFunster 09.06.2019 09:47 |
And no results is you search for new releases EMI |
| cmsdrums 09.06.2019 11:46 |
MusicFan15 wrote:If this is a Dave Clark project it may be that QPL have nothing to do with it and he’s licensed Freddie’s performance himself to the record company. Equally though I’d still expect QPL and Universal to be working collaboratively to maximise exposure if this is happening.Lord Fickle wrote: Anyway, I'm starting to have my doubts about it, as it doesn't seem to have appeared anywhere else, and I would have thought this was quite big news.Yeah I thought that too - does anybody know what the original source is? Surely by now there would've been an official announcement especially if the release date is in the next couple of weeks. Therefore not definitely fake just because there’s nothing on QOL....and if it is fake you’d expect them to quickly post something to say so? |
| cmsdrums 09.06.2019 17:28 |
Well the official Bohemian Rhapsody move page has shared the news of Facebook, so presumably that makes it verified? |
| miraclesteinway 10.06.2019 11:18 |
I'm just wondering though, that surely the take they released at the time would have been the take that Freddie thought was best.... so why do we need another take of what is ostensibly not the best song ever? I love Freddie but I think the time for released unreleased songs from his archive is probably over, unless there's something really interesting in there, which by now there probably isn't, although the Bowie stuff sounds intriguing. Duncan Jones I believe is quite protective over his father's work though, so it may not see the light of day. |
| August R. 13.06.2019 08:52 |
"I'm just wondering though, that surely the take they released at the time would have been the take that Freddie thought was best.... so why do we need another take of what is ostensibly not the best song ever? " Maybe it's just that.. The take Freddie thought was the best was the one that was released, while the take Dave thought was the best was rejected. Anyway, I'm always interested in hearing an alternative take. I understood from the original article that this is an early take, Freddie trying out the song, accompanied by piano alone. Sometimes these early takes are wonderful and fresh while the final results are too polished and lack the emotion and vibe of the early attempts. |
| matt z 13.06.2019 14:55 |
^maybe they picked this up with the moderate success of PRINCE - that bootleg thing that had been passing around among fans for years. It also appeared at the end of BLACKKKLANSMAN Thing is, owing to the nature of his estate and many things unsettled; the only Prince releases so far have been either straight repressings or the works that were already contractually bound by differing publishing/deals etc. The one off with ARISTA (RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC) Purple Rain (Warner brothers film issues) Now "originals" (original bootlegs/demos of songs he gave to other artists under pseudonym Jamie Starr, Joey Coco etc) - also bound by the original subsequent publishing So it's likely CMSDRUMS is correct. Dave Clark ran the musical, wrote the songs mostly and owns the content. Pending whatever share goes to the FM estate it seems like this would be his release |
| mariah carey 15.06.2019 14:50 |
It's on Spotify now |
| cmsdrums 15.06.2019 15:51 |
Can’t find it on Spotify - can you provide a link? Thanks |
| cmsdrums 15.06.2019 15:56 |
I’m assuming this is it? link |
| Dougie 4 15.06.2019 15:57 |
I just love his voice... |
| mariah carey 15.06.2019 16:20 |
link |
| Dougie 4 15.06.2019 17:44 |
But wasn't it supposed to be released on June 21? Is this a leak? |
| SpaceGrey 15.06.2019 18:31 |
Dougie 4 wrote: I just love his voice...I wish I could look at a man who does not like his voice. |
| Dougie 4 15.06.2019 18:45 |
But I am not a man ?? |
| Dougie 4 15.06.2019 18:46 |
:)...but ya, lovely voice he has |
| dysan 15.06.2019 18:48 |
Quite a nice take on it. His voice always seemed strained on this track. |
| gambri 15.06.2019 21:03 |
Every day he sings better. |
| AlbaNo1 15.06.2019 22:49 |
It’s nicer than the previous release, though still a little over sung |
| kosimodo 16.06.2019 06:45 |
Yeah, he has a pretty good voice. |
| The Fairy King 16.06.2019 10:14 |
It seems like there's some shit going on between Dave Clark and QPL/MSL since The Messenger of the Gods compilation went on Spotify....just look at the absence of Time and In My Defence on Spotify. His bitchy remark about Q+AL touring together seems especially malicious now. xD |
| dysan 16.06.2019 11:04 |
He withheld DC5 stuff for years - are those FM tracks added now? He's a shrewd business man. Invented the Tottenham Sound you know. |
| Holly2003 16.06.2019 12:40 |
dysan wrote: He withheld DC5 stuff for years - are those FM tracks added now? He's a shrewd business man. Invented the Tottenham Sound you know.For a moment I was thinking "Kick out the jams motherfucker!" and then I saw DC5 not MC5. Still, it was entertaining while it lasted. |
| thomasquinn 32989 16.06.2019 12:44 |
Holly2003 wrote:Sheesh. Anyone can see that it was obviously about the Douglas DC-5 twin-engine passenger/military transport plane from the 1940s.dysan wrote: He withheld DC5 stuff for years - are those FM tracks added now? He's a shrewd business man. Invented the Tottenham Sound you know.For a moment I was thinking "Kick out the jams motherfucker!" and then I saw DC5 not MC5. Still, it was entertaining while it lasted. |
| Michael Allred 16.06.2019 14:32 |
Removed from YouTube already. |
| dysan 16.06.2019 18:05 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:The amount of times I've been at a party and taken over the playlist trying to find Douglas DC-5 stuff. I'm 'that' guy.Holly2003 wrote:Sheesh. Anyone can see that it was obviously about the Douglas DC-5 twin-engine passenger/military transport plane from the 1940s.dysan wrote: He withheld DC5 stuff for years - are those FM tracks added now? He's a shrewd business man. Invented the Tottenham Sound you know.For a moment I was thinking "Kick out the jams motherfucker!" and then I saw DC5 not MC5. Still, it was entertaining while it lasted. |
| Saint Jiub 16.06.2019 19:16 |
The Fairy King wrote: It seems like there's some shit going on between Dave Clark and QPL/MSL since The Messenger of the Gods compilation went on Spotify....just look at the absence of Time and In My Defence on Spotify. His bitchy remark about Q+AL touring together seems especially malicious now. xDIf QPL is pulling political bullshit again, perhaps that is another good reason to buy Time Waits for No One if and when it is officially released. |
| fruhzs 19.06.2019 04:11 |
Unfortunately I couldn’t get to listen to it in time. Not sure exactly what happened, but it doesn’t work on spotify either : / |
| Dougie 4 19.06.2019 04:28 |
I loved the track that I heard, hope they release it properly soon |
| The Fairy King 19.06.2019 12:13 |
© 2019 Dave Clark International, under exclusive licence to Universal International Music B.V. |
| Kevinrm15 19.06.2019 16:29 |
Greg Brooks did say in a QOL podcast late last year that there was a big Freddie solo product coming out this year. Maybe this track is part of something big. |
| Kevinrm15 19.06.2019 16:30 |
Greg Brooks did say in a QOL podcast late last year that there was a big Freddie solo product coming out this year. Maybe this track is part of something big. |
| dysan 19.06.2019 17:13 |
Are those podcasts still happening? I listened to a few |
| paulosham 19.06.2019 18:26 |
The Official Video is being premiered at 8.30am UK time on 20th of June link |
| dysan 19.06.2019 18:35 |
Dave Clark should command respect for the choreography at 0:24 link |
| Another Roger (re) 19.06.2019 19:36 |
Looks like the video will be in HD. So excited to see the master in glorious quality again. ;) |
| Makka 20.06.2019 07:32 |
Up on Spotify now. Sure is a great vocal! |
| badboybez 20.06.2019 07:37 |
Well that video was a bit meh |
| Another Roger (re) 20.06.2019 07:48 |
Did you expect Radio GaGa production on that video? The fact that we get to see Freddie in HD with some new footage at this point is amazing. I loved it. |
| The Fairy King 20.06.2019 07:57 |
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| dysan 20.06.2019 08:55 |
Lovely |
| rockchic65 20.06.2019 09:24 |
Awww I love that. |
| Supersonic_Man89 20.06.2019 09:34 |
Could have made it more professional by cutting/blending it with some archive footage over the bits where the video obviously doesn't match the take. But I dunno... to be honest, it's quite a confused release. Really it should have just been on the FM Collection 2000... as it's not unique or different enough to deserve a standalone release with press etc. And as much as it's great to hear a stripped back version of it... Freddie's performance was sung that way for a 'bigger sound' on a bigger record... whereas this one just sticks with the piano. So those accusing him over 'oversinging', it sounds like it when it's just him and the piano of course. I think there's still better stuff out there unheard more suitable for a release. |
| Thrill Yeti 20.06.2019 10:06 |
Lovely to hear the vocal up close. Hopefully the start of a bigger project. |
| fruhzs 20.06.2019 13:15 |
I liked it, as others said at this point in 2019 it’s a bonus to have things like This still pop out. Plus I enjoyed this vocal take. |
| mariah carey 20.06.2019 13:41 |
It's beautiful |
| Queenman!! 20.06.2019 13:48 |
Supersonic_Man89 wrote: Could have made it more professional by cutting/blending it with some archive footage over the bits where the video obviously doesn't match the take. But I dunno... to be honest, it's quite a confused release. Really it should have just been on the FM Collection 2000... as it's not unique or different enough to deserve a standalone release with press etc. And as much as it's great to hear a stripped back version of it... Freddie's performance was sung that way for a 'bigger sound' on a bigger record... whereas this one just sticks with the piano. So those accusing him over 'oversinging', it sounds like it when it's just him and the piano of course. I think there's still better stuff out there unheard more suitable for a release.-------------------------------- At the the time the FM 2000 collection came out, the master reels of both audio and video were not found yet. Sure Dave Clark wants to earn a bit of money by Freddie's succes, so don't blame him for releasing this. ‘Time’ was the brainchild of Dave Clark, former leader of the hugely successful multi-million selling group The Dave Clark Five, and one of the UK’s most prolific and celebrated musicians, songwriters and producers. Time, the West End musical, which opened at London’s Dominion Theatre in April 1986, merged sci-fi, rock music and ahead-of-its-time special effects and multimedia. With a cast including Sir Laurence Olivier and Cliff Richard, it broke box records and played to over a million people during its two-year run. For the show’s multi-million selling star-studded concept album, Dave had a song in mind for Freddie (‘In My Defence’), and despite industry naysayers claiming he wouldn’t do it, Freddie agreed to fly to London from his then home in Munich, Germany, to record the song at Abbey Road Studios in October 1985. Of Dave’s minimal band of four session musicians, Mike Moran, who had never met Freddie, was introduced on piano having known Dave for many years; such was the subsequent relationship born with Freddie that Mike went on to write ‘Barcelona’ with the Queen frontman years later. The 'Time' session was recorded in a haze of late nights and fuelled by ‘fabulous food, vodka and Cristal Champagne’, courtesy of Freddie’s personal chef Joe Fanelli. Dave Clark further recalls of the recording session: “We got on great...if I didn’t like something I’d say, and vice versa...we were both aiming for the same thing: to make something special.” When asked by Freddie if he had anything else, Dave replied with an affirmative, offering the musical’s title track, ‘Time’. In January 1986, they returned to Abbey Road Studios with a group of amazingly talented musicians to record the song. Dave wrote the song with John Christie, unbeknown to them at the time at how the words ‘Time waits for no one’ would be so relevant today. Starting off as a rhythm track, the session recorded 48 tracks of backing vocals (Freddie plus John Christie and Peter Straker), 2 x 24 track tapes locked together - which had never been done before for that amount of backing vocals at Abbey Road - and the final version of ‘Time’ comprising of a huge production of 96 tracks. The video for the song was filmed in three hours on a Tuesday at the Dominion Theatre and was quickly wrapped to allow the musical to prepare for that evening’s performance - it had opened earlier that month with Freddie attending opening night. Worried about capturing the full performance, it was a 4 camera shoot, which was cut together quickly in order to turn it around for that week’s broadcast of the UK’s hit music TV programme Top of the Pops. Going straight to video, not the original 35mm film it was shot in, the song was released on 6 May of that year, and the original footage was consigned to the vaults. 4 Decades on…96 Tracks to 1 Dave Clark had always remembered that performance of Freddie Mercury at Abbey Road Studios from 1986. The original had sold millions, and in his own words ‘worked’. But the feeling he had during the original rehearsal, experiencing ‘goosebumps’, hadn’t dissipated over the decades, and he wanted to hear this original recording - just Freddie on vocals and Mike Moran on piano. After much searching through the vaults to find the version without all the backing vocals, he finally retrieved it from his tape archive in the spring of 2018. Bringing in original keyboardist Mike Moran to record a new piano track, restoring the huge potential of this historical performance at the latter’s studio in Buckinghamshire, Dave, firmly believing ‘the impossible was possible’, eventually produced the performance he had longed to revive - stripping back the 96 track version to a version with just one: Freddie Mercury. But the audio needed a visual and Dave didn’t want to just cut old footage together. He had the negatives from the 4 camera shoot and the unprocessed film which was being stored for a time at Rank Laboratories in Pinewood but returned to Dave after his 2014 documentary Glad all Over The Dave Clark Five and Beyond. A four-day lockdown in a special facility to pore through the negatives with his editor led to the discovery and production of this visual masterpiece, a perfect representation of Freddie’s ‘magic performance...he tasted every word’. ‘Time Waits For No One’’ is a tribute to the musical force of Freddie Mercury; the performance, the drama, the vocal range, and after four decades waiting in the wings, is finally out for new and old fans alike; a stunning eulogy to the Queen frontman, produced and directed by one of his closest friends. I sincerely hope Dave will also find the lost audio soundboard masters from the Dominion 1988 performance and the single camera feed that recorded that night. I agree with you with the editing of thisnew video. Man so many of Sync shots. Better take some distance footage as they had acces to all 4 camera negative reels. |
| on my way up 20.06.2019 13:52 |
Was Dominion '88 - Freddie's very last live performance - recorded by 1 camera?? That's the first I hear of that! |
| cmsdrums 20.06.2019 14:15 |
Queenman!! wrote: I sincerely hope Dave will also find the lost audio soundboard masters from the Dominion 1988 performanceDo you know for a fact that the feed to the front of house desk was actually then sent out to a recorder, or is this just a 'best guess/hope' that it was? Thanks. |
| cmsdrums 20.06.2019 14:16 |
Kevinrm15 wrote: Greg Brooks did say in a QOL podcast late last year that there was a big Freddie solo product coming out this year. Maybe this track is part of something big.Greg Brooks says a lot of things.....a lot don't come to pass! |
| Dougie 4 20.06.2019 15:19 |
Freddie's voice always sounds fresh...never fails to touch the heart... |
| Queenman!! 20.06.2019 19:30 |
cmsdrums wrote:--------------------Queenman!! wrote: I sincerely hope Dave will also find the lost audio soundboard masters from the Dominion 1988 performanceDo you know for a fact that the feed to the front of house desk was actually then sent out to a recorder, or is this just a 'best guess/hope' that it was? Thanks. HI dave, I think we can asume that the audio of these songs exist in the archives of Clark. There is even a soundboard clip of Everyone of us. For the footage I attended the Fanclubmeeting in 1995 or 1996 in Southport and Jacky was there with I believe Jim Jenkins who answered questions from the audience . I recall someone asked indeed about the audio and videorecordings of the Dominion 1988 show. There was one standalone camera shooting this evening according to Jenkins. Not sure if it was the in-house camera of the Dominion itself. I don't even know if this footage was taped or preserved or just used to feed a few monitors for the production team behind the stage. |
| cmsdrums 21.06.2019 07:56 |
Queenman!! wrote:Thank you very much!cmsdrums wrote:-------------------- HI dave, I think we can asume that the audio of these songs exist in the archives of Clark. There is even a soundboard clip of Everyone of us. For the footage I attended the Fanclubmeeting in 1995 or 1996 in Southport and Jacky was there with I believe Jim Jenkins who answered questions from the audience . I recall someone asked indeed about the audio and videorecordings of the Dominion 1988 show. There was one standalone camera shooting this evening according to Jenkins. Not sure if it was the in-house camera of the Dominion itself. I don't even know if this footage was taped or preserved or just used to feed a few monitors for the production team behind the stage.Queenman!! wrote: I sincerely hope Dave will also find the lost audio soundboard masters from the Dominion 1988 performanceDo you know for a fact that the feed to the front of house desk was actually then sent out to a recorder, or is this just a 'best guess/hope' that it was? Thanks. |
| dysan 21.06.2019 08:41 |
I'm sure there was footage of this floating around? I dare say DC would've stuck it out by now - hopefully this new release will see something more substantial follow. |
| Stelios 21.06.2019 09:50 |
I like it but are they lying about it being a "previously unheard FM performance" ? Gave it some time and i think its the same as the original minus the choir. |
| dysan 21.06.2019 11:49 |
I feel bad for Straker getting his vocal removed :( |
| MisterCosmicc 21.06.2019 11:54 |
I hope to hear the demo of 'Born To Rock And Roll' ... if they EVER find it. Probably not, but that's such an 80's track, it'd be neat to hear Freddie singing that. |
| MisterCosmicc 21.06.2019 11:56 |
By the way, there are so many articles on the track in US news... too bad they won't release it as a physical single. I'd love a 7" copy of it, with the original version as the B-side. Either way, I can't wait to find out the sales on it. |
| rockchic65 22.06.2019 00:50 |
Brian posted this on his instagram about the track link Many of you will have already seen this ad. This new version of Freddie’s take on the theme song from Dave Clarke’s 1986 musical of the same name is getting lots of attention. I see people asking why it wasn’t available until now, but of course it was. The original version is still up there on YouTube, with 3.4 million views ! A lot of people are asking us why this release was done in certain ways, but none of our team had anything to with this remake - so we can’t help you ! It’s not a Queen song, so it doesn’t come under our jurisdiction. It’s obviously not a Freddie-penned song either - he got involved as a favour to his close friend Dave Clarke. Being Freddie, he couldn’t (like me, I guess!) half-do it. He plunged in and did a huge production on a rather featureless song, determined to make it into a timeless epic ! Freddie’s production included a big ‘orchestration’, and loads of glorious vocal harmonies, and the original video had him interacting (visually only) with the cast of the musical. None of which you get in this new version, because Dave Clarke has, for this release, smartly lifted Freddie’s lead vocal and placed it alone with a new piano track - played by Mike Moran. So you don’t get Freddie’s production, but what you DO get is Freddie’s lead vocal almost naked, and clear as a bell. And WHAT a vocal - what a voice ! Freddie poured so much passion into it you get the impression he could make you weep singing the phone directory !!! I hope this does well, because Dave Clarke is a very nice man, and was a great friend to Freddie. One thing is for sure - the world has a fierce appetite for Freddie right now. How happy he would be. One more snippet. In the new video you see Freddie miming to the track on stage at the Dominion Theatre - where TIME was then playing in 1986 - the very same stage that WE WILL ROCK YOU the musical later was to rock, 8 shows a week packed out for 13 years. And the core story of that musical was Ben Elton’s magical narrative that Freddie was the key to kids in the future rediscovering Rock and Roll. Well, it seems to be coming true ! Long Live Freddie !! Bri |
| Saint Jiub 22.06.2019 03:43 |
rockchic65 wrote: Brian posted this on his instagram about the track Many of you will have already seen this ad. This new version of Freddie’s take on the theme song from Dave Clarke’s 1986 musical of the same name is getting lots of attention. I see people asking why it wasn’t available until now, but of course it was. The original version is still up there on YouTube, with 3.4 million views ! A lot of people are asking us why this release was done in certain ways, but none of our team had anything to with this remake - so we can’t help you ! It’s not a Queen song, so it doesn’t come under our jurisdiction. It’s obviously not a Freddie-penned song either - he got involved as a favour to his close friend Dave Clarke. Being Freddie, he couldn’t (like me, I guess!) half-do it. He plunged in and did a huge production on a rather featureless song, determined to make it into a timeless epic ! Freddie’s production included a big ‘orchestration’, and loads of glorious vocal harmonies, and the original video had him interacting (visually only) with the cast of the musical. None of which you get in this new version, because Dave Clarke has, for this release, smartly lifted Freddie’s lead vocal and placed it alone with a new piano track - played by Mike Moran. So you don’t get Freddie’s production, but what you DO get is Freddie’s lead vocal almost naked, and clear as a bell. And WHAT a vocal - what a voice ! Freddie poured so much passion into it you get the impression he could make you weep singing the phone directory !!! I hope this does well, because Dave Clarke is a very nice man, and was a great friend to Freddie. One thing is for sure - the world has a fierce appetite for Freddie right now. How happy he would be. One more snippet. In the new video you see Freddie miming to the track on stage at the Dominion Theatre - where TIME was then playing in 1986 - the very same stage that WE WILL ROCK YOU the musical later was to rock, 8 shows a week packed out for 13 years. And the core story of that musical was Ben Elton’s magical narrative that Freddie was the key to kids in the future rediscovering Rock and Roll. Well, it seems to be coming true ! Long Live Freddie !! Bri linkBrian's quote summary: We Will Rock You is a rather featureless song ... |
| Khizzy 22.06.2019 11:50 |
Nice to see that Brian bothered to spell Dave Clark's name correctly! |
| rockchic65 22.06.2019 12:11 |
Khizzy wrote: Nice to see that Brian bothered to spell Dave Clark's name correctly!He's corrected it now. |
| Dougie 4 22.06.2019 15:07 |
Good on Brian...Wish Roger had mentioned the track on his social media pages as well, just to show support |
| mooghead 22.06.2019 16:28 |
Can someone clarify something for me because I can't be bothered listening to them both side by side... Is this the original vocal from the original song but isolated with a piano or is it a completely new take as Dave Clark suggests? |
| Another Roger (re) 22.06.2019 18:16 |
I think the video match up too well to be a completely new version. Unless the phrasing is very similar that is. Maybe some of the last third is new. They struggled more with proper footage there. But I dont know. Just like you I am too lazy to check properly. |
| snelly1 22.06.2019 18:52 |
Not sure Dave would be too happy about Brian calling it “a rather featureless song”. |
| emrabt 22.06.2019 19:02 |
I thought the same, that it was just the Vocal track and piano, and the video not matching was the result of using footage without the choir. But It's certainly not identical. It seems to be the same until about 1:32 when the new version throws in an extra "nobody", then it's identical until 2:25, when it skips over the choir and adds a new chorus from Freddie (where the video stop matching), then returns to being the same from "let's learn to be friends with one another." then skips over the last verse to the ending. I'm guessing what we have is some vocals that were muted in the original so Freddie didn't over power the choir. |
| MisterCosmicc 22.06.2019 20:08 |
Why would Brian call it featureless? Has anyone ever noticed Brian’s slight anger of Freddie’s solo career? I remember reading an angry post of his about the Mr. Bad Guy album, about doing the demos with Freddie and then Freddie having his guitarist completely replicate them for the final product, and Brian felt that Freddie should have just used him for it. Brian’s always have off some steam about Freddie’s solo stuff. Maybe he really did think Freddie was going to ditch Queen for solo music... |
| mooghead 22.06.2019 21:02 |
"I remember reading an angry post of his about the Mr. Bad Guy album, about doing the demos with Freddie and then Freddie having his guitarist completely replicate them for the final product, and Brian felt that Freddie should have just used him for it." Oooh.. find this! |
| Holly2003 22.06.2019 21:15 |
MisterCosmicc wrote: Why would Brian call it featureless?Because it lacks features. It's even paced. and lacks any outstanding features like a colourful bridge, a guitar solo, a tempo change etc. You've got to consider Brian's comment in context: he means Fred tried to turn it from a featureless song into an epic song MisterCosmicc wrote: Has anyone ever noticed Brian’s slight anger of Freddie’s solo career? I remember reading an angry post of his about the Mr. Bad Guy album, about doing the demos with Freddie and then Freddie having his guitarist completely replicate them for the final product, and Brian felt that Freddie should have just used him for it. Brian’s always have off some steam about Freddie’s solo stuff. Maybe he really did think Freddie was going to ditch Queen for solo music...I remember that comment. Then again, Brian expressed some hurt that Axl didn't use some solos that Brian recorded, so it's not limited to Mr Bad Guy. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 22.06.2019 21:16 |
^^^ That interview absolutely exists. It was in a magazine called Guitar for the practicing musician, and the had a feature called In the listening room. Guitarists would be asked to listen to 5 songs and discuss the aspects of the song. First song on the list was Let's turn it on from Freddie's album. Brian admitted to being hurt about Freddie's decision to do it without him. At that time maybe Freddie was hedging his bets about leaving Queen and wanted the sound without the tension that existed between Brian (and all of them at the time.) I'm 100% certain of this interview, he referenced Paul Butterfield Blues band in the 5th song he listened to. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 22.06.2019 21:33 |
Ahh, the internet :) Guitar For The Practicing Musician Magazine March 1987 IN THE LISTENING ROOM Musical Selections by John Stix 3. "Let's Turn It On" from Mr. Bad Guy, by Freddie Mercury BRIAN: This is my least favorite from Freddie's album. It doesn't move me, whereas a lot of Freddie's stuff does. "Made In Heaven" is one of the best things he's ever done. I wish we had it on our album. This is too shallow. The guitarist is trying to cop my sound, which is also why I don't like it. I know the guitarist quite well. He's a good session player and pretty innovative. I also know he's a big fan of mine, and that when Freddie got him in there he said to play like me. I still haven't figured out why Freddie wanted him to do that. When he played it for me and said it sounded like me, I was supposed to be pleased. It's well-played, but inside I thought, what are you trying to tell me I'm disposable? I felt kind of hurt by it. |
| Dougie 4 23.06.2019 12:37 |
Interesting interview |
| cmsdrums 23.06.2019 13:52 |
Interesting that Brian says that ‘Let’s Turn It On’ is his least favourite Freddie track.....when Queen pretty much aped it on ‘Party’. |
| Holly2003 23.06.2019 16:01 |
cmsdrums wrote: Interesting that Brian says that ‘Let’s Turn It On’ is his least favourite Freddie track.....when Queen pretty much aped it on ‘Party’.There is some similarity. Fred at his worst; Queen at their worst. Both unlistenable dross. |
| dysan 23.06.2019 17:37 |
I have to say I love Let's Turn It On. But I think it's been established my taste is questionable. |
| Holly2003 23.06.2019 17:45 |
dysan wrote: I have to say I love Let's Turn It On. But I think it's been established my taste is questionable.Agreed :p |
| Dougie 4 23.06.2019 17:51 |
Freddie's latest song 'Time' has got 4 million plus views in 4 days on YouTube...:) |
| mika251 24.06.2019 09:22 |
link So according to Dave, Freddie first recorded the lead vocal accompanied by piano, then all backing vocals and then backin track was added. Do you believe it? With Queen it was always - backin track - backing vocals - lead vocals. Is it possible that he agreed on different workflow? I can't help myself but I still think it was a regular take with whole instrumentation and piano was recorded later. I don't think Freddie would sing like this accompanied only by Mike Moran. What are your thoughts? |
| emrabt 24.06.2019 10:19 |
There are plenty of demos that are just Freddie and a piano. But saying that I'm convinced this is actually the final take used in the original song, with a couple of bits that were originally muted and the last verse skipped. |
| mika251 24.06.2019 10:34 |
emrabt wrote: But saying that I'm convinced this is actual the final take used in the original song, with a couple of bits that were originally muted and the last verse skipped.That's what I think too. I know there are plenty of demos with piano, but this one doesn't sound like a demo. Once the final version of the song was recorded he always waited for the backing track to be completely finished. I was rather surprised by the information that Freddie recorded lead vocals with piano and all other instruments were added later. That wasn't his style so that's why I'm wondering. |
| cmsdrums 24.06.2019 10:44 |
I think at an initial run through of the song Freddie would have sat with Mike Moran and run through it with just piano and vocals. However once he'd worked out roughly what he was going to do with the song they would have then recorded the actual vocals takes, and the most likely scenario is that at least the majority of at least a skeletal backing track (drums (or at least a basic drum machine part like we hear in the Mr Bad Guy demos), bass, piano and guitars) would have been in place at that point for Freddie to sing along to. There is no way however (in my opinion) that the vocal on this new version is from an original rough run through that Freddie performed with just a piano accompaniment as Dave Clark has stated - it's from a later full take (or likely an edit of several). I haven't compared it with the original version released back in 1985,but on first listen a lot of it sounds like the EXACT same take as that original issue. |
| mika251 24.06.2019 13:29 |
Cmsdrums There are slight differences, but you really have to listen to both version simultaneously to recognise them. My opinion is, the version is made of different takes but still recorded under same conditions. No way it was a separate recording session with Freddie and Mike Moran only. Actually, I would love to hear the real piano version as I'm sure Freddie would sing it differently, more intimately, with other feeling. That would be amazing. |
| MercurialFreddie 24.06.2019 21:43 |
@Cmsdrums and mika 251 My thoughts exactly. There are to my ears A LOT of differences. Even the first "Time, waits, for nobody" originally buried by the multitracked backing vocals is a different take. Listen closely to "nobody" and how Freddie ends this phrase vs the 86' version. The same applies to "You don't need me to tell you what's gone wrong..." There is I believe a lot of confusion of what this version is exactly. For sure it's not a rough take but it seems like something Queen did on the NOTW Box, a Frankenstein version of different takes, even the original one. It would be lovely to hear the first take ever that Freddie had on that song and Mike accompanying him, a version with ad-libs, unfinished lyrics and so on. I am no PR specialist when it comes to audio/visual releases but why the hell didn't DC release a Box or a CD celebrating FM&DC collaboration on Time? Blu ray with the original Videoclip, then the 2019 one, feed from the camera of the musical's premiere. CD with live tracks with Freddie singing on them.... I don't know what Dave Clark is preparing more but even bearing in mind laziness of Queen Productions we have to admit Brian got that one thing right - we didn't get many things that we could've if this project would have been thought through well. |
| emrabt 25.06.2019 05:12 |
It might be that the song was already fairly complete when Freddie agreed to sing on the soundtrack, so a very early version with adlibs might not have happened. |
| RussiaLand 25.06.2019 12:55 |
emrabt wrote: It might be that the song was already fairly complete when Freddie agreed to sing on the soundtrack, so a very early version with adlibs might not have happened.Yes, Dave Clark had already composed the song when he proposed it to Freddie to sing. I think it's useful to remember that this was not Freddie's or Queen's song and the way it was composed, rehearsed and recorded might not be exactly the same as where Freddie or the band were the author. |
| bucsateflon 25.06.2019 17:12 |
lol heard the track, Freddie's voice is flawed, it sounds thin and weird in certain places. way below Queen production standards as a hole... |
| MercurialFreddie 29.06.2019 21:47 |
I think, and it sounds that way, that the piano is actually trying always to make room for Freddie's voice, and the overall vocal track / takes has been given a new treatment. More clear and you can actually hear the breath (listen to the last "for no one"), it's not as muddled as it was below all the backing track, choirs and so on. Volumes are top notch here. You have to remember, this is totally different sound engineers team working on Freddie's vocal. Queen Production standards ? Anyone remembers auto-tuning on Fairy Feller's Master Stroke live 74'? If that is the standard of Queen Productions then thank God DC's team didn't step down to that level. |
| Dougie 4 02.07.2019 02:24 |
Agreed, it is the rawness of his voice that touches you, it isn't perfect but it feels so real and full |
| miraclesteinway 02.07.2019 10:50 |
This is definitely the version that appears on the original 1986 single/Freddie Mercury album, but it has some different vocals in the middle section, and no last verse. There's a bit of autotune in there for good measure, just a touch though, to keep up with 2019 production standards even though I don't agree with it. I love hearing the vocal with just this new piano accompaniment, and the rawness of it is really nice in my opinion. That it has been hyped as a new track or unreleased vocal is slightly misleading though. It's perfectly possible that Freddie did sing it like this during the first take, and gave a performance vocal in the first few takes because of time constraints. Queen were preparing to tour at this time, and promoting A Kind of Magic, so Freddie probably had to get everything done as efficiently as possible. The interview is funny. Freddie is clearly absolutely hammered in it which is hilarious. |
| RussiaLand 02.07.2019 11:22 |
An interesting article. ‘Time Waits For No One’: Freddie Mercury Was “Magical” Says Dave Clark Published on June 27, 2019 https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/time-waits-for-no-one-freddie-mercury/?fbclid=IwAR3LqrC4qalOw6l1Kzr4vRXGqlXysn6XsN1mDsB0-uBhqOhqAAjrQgPVorw |
| Cyborg 05.07.2019 01:49 |
Cool article, thanks. I found this part especially interesting: “We used to chat a lot about the music we loved, and the best compliment Freddie paid me was when he said, ‘You know that Queen got the idea for “We Will Rock You” from your 1964 song “Bits And Pieces”.’ I asked him how, because that song was only recorded on four track and there was only one track of stamping. But Freddie said, ‘We definitely got the idea from that,’ which was lovely. |
| cmsdrums 05.07.2019 07:17 |
Cyborg wrote: Cool article, thanks. I found this part especially interesting: “We used to chat a lot about the music we loved, and the best compliment Freddie paid me was when he said, ‘You know that Queen got the idea for “We Will Rock You” from your 1964 song “Bits And Pieces”.’ I asked him how, because that song was only recorded on four track and there was only one track of stamping. But Freddie said, ‘We definitely got the idea from that,’ which was lovely.I've no reason to doubt Dave Clark when he says Freddie told him this, but if it's what Freddie thought of when they were recording the track it's not the same recollection from Brian when he has told his story of the origins of the song. |
| Dr Magus 05.07.2019 13:30 |
Maybe we can file that quote along with Noddy Holder recalling how 'Brian came round to my house with a copy of Bohemian Rhapsody and we listened to it and had a kipper tie' Or something like that. |