| QueenAllTheWay 19.05.2019 03:46 |
Not sure if it's discussed before about it, but if so I apologize. I was watching Chin's upload, from months ago, of the lost TOTP video of Queen miming to Now I'm Here (that they included in the 2015 documentary "From Rags to Rhapsody") and someone in the comments claims to have the full length of the same performance. In the documentary, is that all they included because the recording used was incomplete? Anyhow, the same person then 2 weeks ago replies and gives a private link to the video of the snippet. ">link Chin's video: link Snippet: link |
| NastyQueenie74 19.05.2019 05:53 |
Interesting stuff. Definitely a unique recording. I wonder if this guy recorded Humpybong's performance |
| NastyQueenie74 19.05.2019 05:53 |
Interesting stuff. Definitely a unique recording. I wonder if this guy recorded Humpybong's performance |
| dysan 19.05.2019 09:15 |
Yeah it's a great version. I remember there was a discussion on here about it - I had compared the intro to the studio version and concluded they were the same. Of course, they'd just tagged that on for the documentary :D |
| Freddie rey 19.05.2019 10:19 |
oh God, I hope to see the full thing one day, it seems to be a great version |
| Freddie rey 19.05.2019 10:19 |
by the way, Chin, can you do something with this snippet and the one that you mount? |
| Chinwonder2 19.05.2019 10:37 |
Yeah, I’ll update my collection post on QZ when I get my hard drive situation sorted out :) -Chin |
| Freddie rey 19.05.2019 11:17 |
great Chin, thanks a lot |
| dudeofqueen 19.05.2019 12:06 |
May using a REAL guitar; if only he'd been a bit more flexible, we could have had a far greater diversity in the band's sound. |
| Holly2003 19.05.2019 13:02 |
Mass produced Gibson LPs were of variable quality in the 1970s -- some were really shit. I get your point that Brian limiting himself to the RS also limited the range of sounds he could produce, but weighed against that is that the RS sounded epic back then. And to an extent it doesn't really matter as the BM "sound" could be replicated on different guitars. For example, as you probably know, he played a solo on the Flash soundtrack with a cheap strat copy and it sounds indistinguishable from the RS. |
| brians wig 19.05.2019 17:00 |
Quite possibly Gary J Brum is part of the Kaleidoscope group who found the clip and returned it to QPL. Whilst the group will never share the material with outsiders, I'm sure the "top brass" have shared it amngst themselves. |
| The Real Wizard 19.05.2019 18:38 |
Delightful - another carrot dangler. But at least they shared a snippet of it. It's definitely a completely different performance of the song. Great playing from Dr May. But who knows why another version was necessary for only this song and GOFLB ? For the rest of their TOTP appearances they just used the studio versions. |
| QueenAllTheWay 19.05.2019 18:46 |
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| Golden Salmon 19.05.2019 20:03 |
He isn't a Queen fan, yet he comments on a Queen video on the Internet and he teases people with rare material. It's cool to see these things are out there, but these attitudes are weird to say the least. |
| liam 20.05.2019 03:38 |
Definitely a re-recording. Much more like the live version with much louder bass and the extra snare beats. The album version's wall of sound effect really buries the bass (which is sad, because it's great) and Roger's drums drag. I wonder why they recorded it that way??? |
| NastyQueenie74 20.05.2019 05:15 |
Yep. I put out a thread on it a while back |
| dysan 20.05.2019 07:07 |
The old musicians union rules meant that if bands were to mime a TV show they'd have to rerecord the track. Lots of bands dodged this by getting the MU rep drunk and then presenting the studio version as the new recording (perhaps lightly remixed) As shown by the BBC radio sessions Queen favoured using their proper album versions for backing tracks (saving time, preserving the nuances of the recording) but I can imagine in the case of NIH they actually fancied presenting it in a more 'live' version so were happy to redo it. Perhaps they were in the studio that day anyway? We know SSOR was a last minute appearance so I guess there was no time to recut it and that version remained on file at the BBC for future TOTP appearances. KQ might have been considered too intricate to redo? GOFLB? Dunno. Perhaps the 1975 KYA started out like this for some reason ahead of the US reissue? I always thought it far too raw to be considered a new studio version for release. Perhaps KYA was going to be reissued in the UK too? I speculate. |
| dave76 20.05.2019 13:25 |
I've offered him some Queen outtakes but he even turned that down. He told me that someone has offered him 1K and he didn't go for that either. |
| . 20.05.2019 15:09 |
The guy says he isn't a huge Queen fan but has sent the transfer to the BBC for their archive, and has not asked for payment - good man. He also provided a clip showing the quality, and has stated the length of the appearance - nice one. So it's now good to know this copy exists and is possibly also in the QP archives by now. He doesn't want to share it in full or sell it - nothing wrong about that. For his efforts he gets called a carrot dangler - charming. |
| The Real Wizard 20.05.2019 17:26 |
The Kurgan wrote: The guy says he isn't a huge Queen fan but has sent the transfer to the BBC for their archive, and has not asked for payment - good man. He also provided a clip showing the quality, and has stated the length of the appearance - nice one. So it's now good to know this copy exists and is possibly also in the QP archives by now. He doesn't want to share it in full or sell it - nothing wrong about that. For his efforts he gets called a carrot dangler - charming.If he actually dealt with QPL and the BBC, he wouldn't be boasting about it on youtube. Lawyers would be after him for breach of copyright. Look at his youtube channel - he has a ton of this stuff from other artists. All this means is he managed to get his hands on old tapes, but that's as far as it goes. Anyone involved in such genuine interactions does not go public, ever, as there is always an NDA. This is complete bullshit. |
| . 20.05.2019 18:04 |
So now you are a legal expert? Utter tosh, I have sent vintage reel transfers of BBC radio broadcasts (via Genome) to the BBC and that's the end of the matter. No NDA or lawyers required, just a nice reply thanking me for supplying them with material wiped from their archive. Here is a recent reply I received from a manager at the BBC archive: From: Archives Collections Managers Sent: xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: BBC Reel Transfers 1965 - 1975 Hi Mark Our sound preservation specialist has reviewed your audio files and reports that they are of high quality and are suitable for adding to the archive sound collection. So far you have sent files of: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX; if you have any more files of complete programmes with an identified title and tx date we would be happy to take these too. Thanks very much for making these recordings available. XXXXX |
| The Real Wizard 20.05.2019 18:20 |
The Kurgan wrote: So now you are a legal expert? Utter tosh, I have sent vintage reel transfers of BBC radio broadcasts (via Genome) to the BBC and that's the end of the matter. No NDA or lawyers required, just a nice reply thanking me for supplying them with material wiped from their archive.So if you posted clips of their material onto youtube now that they know who you are, you think you wouldn't get served a lawsuit? Public broadcasters don't take copyright infringement lightly. Have you ever tried licensing anything from them? A single frame out of place and the lawyers are knocking. Youtube is no different. We'll see if this fellow's channel is still there in a year or two. |
| . 20.05.2019 18:25 |
I have no intention of trying to license anything. As regards YouTube, I think I had a Freddie Mercury interview from Spanish TV removed a few years back, and I do regularly receive the following notices: ''Copyrighted content was found in your video. The claimant is allowing their content to be used in your YouTube video. However, ads might appear on it.'' and very occasionally: "Copyrighted content was found in your video. Because of the claimant's policy, this video can't be played in some countries." On the whole I think that's pretty fair, and on my part I avoid uploading complete recordings, as I feel that would only encourage disputes. That's the reality of how things currently stand at the moment, EU article 13 might change all of this, but for now I'll play on. |
| Queenman!! 20.05.2019 18:53 |
The Real Wizard wrote:-----------------------------The Kurgan wrote: The guy says he isn't a huge Queen fan but has sent the transfer to the BBC for their archive, and has not asked for payment - good man. He also provided a clip showing the quality, and has stated the length of the appearance - nice one. So it's now good to know this copy exists and is possibly also in the QP archives by now. He doesn't want to share it in full or sell it - nothing wrong about that. For his efforts he gets called a carrot dangler - charming.If he actually dealt with QPL and the BBC, he wouldn't be boasting about it on youtube. Lawyers would be after him for breach of copyright. Look at his youtube channel - he has a ton of this stuff from other artists. All this means is he managed to get his hands on old tapes, but that's as far as it goes. Anyone involved in such genuine interactions does not go public, ever, as there is always an NDA. This is complete bullshit. Maybe this was part of the deal he made with BBC and QPR. After all these years the copyrights may have expired |
| . 20.05.2019 19:10 |
You don't need a "deal" and perhaps (like me) he just sent them a transfer or tape - gratis. |
| . 21.05.2019 10:47 |
The wiped Roxy Music TOTP performance from 1973 the guy linked to is now safely in the BBC archive. By coincidence, it was shown two days ago on a BBC4 documentary about the band. |
| . 21.05.2019 19:05 |
The BBC also advised me to contact the national sound archive regarding some old Jazz broadcasts I have on reel tape. Anyone interested in the archive might want to check it out here link |
| . 22.05.2019 07:57 |
Try a search using their sound and moving image catalogue, you might be surprised at what you find. Update: even vinyl bootlegs it seems. |
