| FunLovinCriminal 14.02.2019 22:32 |
Have a look at this: link And read the comment by „Clarity“. Do you good people like to smell burning crosses again? Will you please stand up and contradict these racist comments? Is there a moderator on this forum? If so, DO SOMETHING! |
| The Circle of Eidolon 15.02.2019 01:15 |
We The Circle of Eidolon have watched and learned for many years. Recently we decided to let our voices be heard through these threads. One of the things we have learned is that the one who hides behind the name Clarity has hidden behind many names. The one constant thing that appears in most of his posts is the never ending river of stupidity which he swims in. He, with this racist remark, proves yet again that hate fuels so much of what he believes. We will stand with FunLovingCriminal against Clarity. The moderator on this site at best seems to hold a powerless title, he many times over should have removed Clarity from this site. The Circle of Eidolon has spoken. Learn from what we say, but more so learn from the levels of hateful stupidity that Clarity has reached and don't repeat them yourself. |
| dysan 15.02.2019 09:25 |
Maybe I saw the wrong one, but I didn't see any racism there. Please post here to clarify your argument. |
| spiralstatic 15.02.2019 09:29 |
This forum is not the nicest place at the best of times. I would hope people might be generally courteous (or at least not intentionally rude and cruel) to each other, especially considering we are all of us here because of a common interest in Queen. That in the most part people are actively happy for any excuse to be nasty towards each other or put each other down on this forum doesn't speak very well in my mind about Queen fans in general, which I personally find dismal. However, the post you refer to FunLovinCriminal is unequivocally totally unacceptable. I agree with you and with the wisdom of The Circle of Eidolon and the post should definitely be removed immediately. |
| pittrek 15.02.2019 10:18 |
"I bet he's religious and black" = "racism" = "burning crosses" = "need to complain and calling for more censorship". Sad. By the way, 99% of Queenzone readers would never find that comment unless you pointed at it. So, good job at promoting that person's ideas. |
| dysan 15.02.2019 11:40 |
I think it's more clumsy stereotyping than ingrained racism. But it's the internet, so I'll stay out of it. |
| Thistle 15.02.2019 11:43 |
pittrek wrote: By the way, 99% of Queenzone readers would never find that comment unless you pointed at it. So, good job at promoting that person's ideas.There's more of a chance if people bump this thread. Like to point out that we shouldn't be drawing attention to it. So good job at promoting the post that promoted the post ;) Also....BUMP :p |
| Thistle 15.02.2019 11:44 |
For what it's worth, I agree with Dysan. Just clumsiness. |
| The Fairy King 15.02.2019 12:50 |
What about the homophobia/fatshaming against Adam? |
| Donna13 15.02.2019 15:30 |
What about the misogynistic comments towards Mary by the topic starter, who is only here to stir up trouble, encourage nasty comments, and who seems to have no interest in the music of Queen? |
| FunLovinCriminal 15.02.2019 17:37 |
Oh, but you do have interest in the music of Queen, Donna, really? You are the one who stated this hate against black people. I will let other people know what sick bullshit you're posting here. Maybe that'll help to remove you from this forum. |
| spiralstatic 15.02.2019 18:17 |
Fun Lovin Criminal has called me a community worker whose opinion they don't want to hear (while at the same time saying everyone should be allowed to voice any opinion. So apparently, opinions so extreme as that Mary is a greedy, gold-digging con-artist, lying actress who hated Freddie since 1976, wanted revenge since then & stuck around for decades, her hatred only growing, waiting only for cold, hard cash, caring nothing for Freddie are fine, but me saying that those sort of comments are, in my view not OK is lecturing and should be silenced. Personally I think these kind of views have strayed WAY beyond "opinion" and into slander) in other threads, but Fun Lovin Criminal is still right here. I wish people were not cruel towards anyone in ways that they ought not be, but outrightly racist comments are not ok. I personally don't find the comments just clumsy, although I will say I'm not sure why that thread was begun in the first place - it is only getting a person who is either making some sort of unfunny joke/parody at 1950's opinions or who genuinely has crazy, extreme views more airtime (and if they have monetised the video as stated in the thread, also more cash.) This topic has made me think though - imagine if no hateful comments were allowed on these forums at all! I wonder how many people would be left on the forum?! |
| Donna13 15.02.2019 19:00 |
The topic starter is a troll who has no interest in Queen, has made nothing but nasty comments here and who has no regard for the other Queenzoners who come here to learn and to offer expert information. He had nothing to offer in the thread about Mary except for false information. He is just here to stir up trouble, be a nuisance and try to get attention. |
| mooghead 15.02.2019 20:13 |
Oh look, another tit for tat argument about to ensue.. leave to private messages please children.. yawn.. |
| Donna13 15.02.2019 21:30 |
“another tit for tat argument about to ensue...” Not at all. I never have tit or tat arguments here. The troll is doing nothing but trolling. It is not even an argument. |
| mooghead 15.02.2019 21:56 |
So you will not respond. Good for you x |
| Donna13 15.02.2019 22:02 |
Why would anyone respond to the topic starter? It only takes a few posts to recognize a troll here. Some like to engage, but not me. Except for Greg Brooks. Who could resist? |
| dysan 15.02.2019 23:00 |
I'd love to pull your pants down and sniff your beefy biff. Hahaha it's ok because I'm joking clumsily. |
| Donna13 16.02.2019 00:25 |
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| Bo Alex 16.02.2019 04:45 |
Who gives a fuck? Clarity is a bloody paki after all. |
| bucsateflon 16.02.2019 07:48 |
haha |
| Thistle 16.02.2019 09:50 |
mooghead wrote: Oh look, another tit for tat argument about to ensue.. leave to private messages please children.. yawn..Take a leaf from your own book. You're always bleating about stupid arguments, but are right there with the popcorn after you've had a few digs yourself. Ya tatty tit ;) |
| thomasquinn 32989 16.02.2019 10:03 |
pittrek wrote: "I bet he's religious and black" = "racism" = "burning crosses" = "need to complain and calling for more censorship". Sad. By the way, 99% of Queenzone readers would never find that comment unless you pointed at it. So, good job at promoting that person's ideas.I see you leave out the most virulently racist parts of the post. Accidentally? Deliberately? I really don't care anymore. Anyway, here it is: I bet that guy is very religious and black. (...) The black people have a problem with us western folk and same sex relationships, but it is them who need to be educated. (...) maybe they are very jealous or wish there where white, who knows?There can be no debate as to whether that is racist. It is *textbook racism*. And everyone, literally everyone, who reads it knows that. I don't care whether or not TS is a troll - the comment is definitely racist, and I can't say I like the way people are excusing it. |
| Vocal harmony 16.02.2019 12:50 |
Of course its racist. A small minded attitude as so many if his posts have proved. Some have been kind and said its a clumsy post but if that's the case surely he would have posted an explanation, taken down the post or just apologised. Racist through and through and not the first time either. |
| Donna13 16.02.2019 12:56 |
And TQ, it is interesting that you left out the person who the quote is from. It is from a person now called “Switch”. The topic starter said I was saying racist and nasty things here, and that is not true. So, yes, it does matter that he is a troll. It is not going to be an honest conversation with the topic starter. |
| Thistle 16.02.2019 13:37 |
Of course, there's no need to mention colour, but when I first read the post I just took it as a clumsy blanket statement. No need for it, but didn't seem racist. BUT...I've re-read it, and somehow had originally missed his last line, which alters the tone of his post altogether. Yes it comes across as racist and should be deleted, or an explanation from him posted. I have my reasons for initially thinking it was just clumsy, but don't want to offer up easy excuses for him. |
| Star* 16.02.2019 20:39 |
So you all think my post was racist, well it was not ! i was merely explaining that the guy who was bad mouthing Freddie & Brian was probably black and had a problem. It is a given fact that many black people are homophobic and uneducated about sexuality especially same sex relationships. So i am not bothered how my post came across if evil people slag off Freddie i will always defend Freddie because he is not here to defend himself. |
| dysan 16.02.2019 20:49 |
Well that's cleared that up. |
| Thistle 16.02.2019 22:13 |
lol |
| Vocal harmony 17.02.2019 14:43 |
Switch wrote: So you all think my post was racist, well it was not ! . . . . . . . . It is a given fact that many black people are homophobic and uneducated about sexuality. . . .Saying it's not but not apologising for the way it comes across or was written doesn't make it any better. Trying to qualify the comment as you have above makes it worse. Maybe an approach of there are still many homophobic people in this world would have been more acceptable. The fact is you could point the finger at white people just as easily. |
| FunLovinCriminal 17.02.2019 19:29 |
"So i am not bothered how my post came across if evil people slag off Freddie i will always defend Freddie because he is not here to defend himself." That is sky-high rhetoric. Freddie Mercury never needed anyone to defend himself. And I very much doubt that he wanted Donna13 to defend him, had he ever needed anyone to do so. It's disgusting that Donna13 accuses black people of being homophobic, but is obviously using racist terminology. Racists don't like gay men. Racist ideals are based on the supremacy of white, straight males. The idea of one man kissing another man - and loving it - is going to pump racists up. By the way, being a gay man, I can tell you good people that there's still an awful lot of misogynistic behavior among gay men. Stating that fact, am I being homophobic? It's also a fact that gay men are still being affected by HIV in the so called "civilized world“ to more than 80 percent. There's a reason for that. And that reason has a name: homophobia (resulting from self hate). Coming from gay men. Think about that. If all gay men would be loving, caring and compulsory human beings, we wouldn't spread the virus willingly from one man to the other. And don't give a shit. There are black people who are homophobic. But there's also lots of white homophobic folks. And there are certainly gay men being homophobic. It's not a good idea to pinpoint homophobia in one group of people without thinking further while the facts are so plain obvious. In fact, it's stupid. |
| dysan 17.02.2019 19:32 |
Racists are only white? Woah there fella. |
| Thistle 17.02.2019 19:54 |
Donna13 didn't say any of that, unless she's also "Switch". Also, racism comes from all over, not just from white people. |
| FunLovinCriminal 17.02.2019 20:44 |
dysan and Thistle: Apartheid, slavery, segregation in the USA - did any of that come from black people? Donna 13 changes his or her name all the time. |
| Thistle 17.02.2019 21:11 |
No, not an excuse for your comment - it wasn't Donna who said that (so maybe you should apologise rather than dance around it with an excuse. For what it's worth, I've never seen a name change from Donna). Again it's not just white people who are racist - racism comes from all over. Apartheid, segregation, slavery etc are not the discussion here and using them to say only white people are racist is nonsense. |
| Donna13 17.02.2019 21:42 |
I’ve never had any other username. And I’ve been here a long long time, since (I think) 2005, during the Queen Plus Paul Rodgers tour. I was 13 when Killer Queen first became a hit on the radio, and that was the first Queen song I ever heard. Thus my user name. I’m a real Queen fan! This guy is a very stupid troll who is angry at me because I challenged the nasty things he was saying about Mary in the Mary thread. Thank you, Thistle. |
| Donna13 17.02.2019 22:05 |
I realized he was a troll pretty early on, but it was confirmed when he followed me to another thread about songwriting. |
| Star* 18.02.2019 12:05 |
We are losing what this thread was all about. You people are taking this to another level. The voice on that hate video was a black mans voice he is spouting hatred at Queen. Get a grip guys defending this piece of trash its not worth it, |
| dysan 18.02.2019 12:08 |
Apatheid in the USA? |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.02.2019 12:35 |
dysan wrote: Apatheid in the USA?I'm not going to prop up a troll, but much of the US did have segregation, which oftentimes took forms that can reasonably be compared to the system of apartheid. Also, the most racist country on earth today is probably North Korea. So much for the only-white-people-can-be-racist BS. |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.02.2019 12:39 |
Switch wrote: We are losing what this thread was all about. You people are taking this to another level. The voice on that hate video was a black mans voice he is spouting hatred at Queen. Get a grip guys defending this piece of trash its not worth it,Maybe you are simply not very smart. I don't know. I'm going to assume that you are not beyond redemption, so I'll explain this very simply. You hear one lack man spouting hatred. From that, you conclude that "black people" as a group think like that. That is a textbook example of racism. Nobody in this topic defended the nutjob in that video - they are, correctly, calling you out for racism when you slur black people *as a group* for the behaviour of one. Racism means ascribing individual characteristics, either positive or negative, to a whole ethnic group. That ranges from "Asians are over-achievers" to "Jews are greedy" and from "black people are good at sports but aren't as smart as white people" to "Italians can't control their tempers". Your remarks about black people fit in perfectly with that way of thinking - so learn from that, and stop thinking in a racist way. Because it's not just malicious, it's also plain incorrect. |
| dysan 18.02.2019 15:05 |
'White people like gay music' |
| spiralstatic 18.02.2019 20:01 |
NPOWER wrote: So you all think my post was racist, well it was not ! i was merely explaining that the guy who was bad mouthing Freddie & Brian was probably black and had a problem. It is a given fact that many black people are homophobic and uneducated about sexuality especially same sex relationships. So i am not bothered how my post came across if evil people slag off Freddie i will always defend Freddie because he is not here to defend himself.Nobody *thinks* your post is racist. Your post is racist. You may not have realised you were being racist. Either you did realise and you just want to upset people and create aggravation on the forum (in which case your account should be deleted because it is annoying to do that, but it is simply not acceptable to use racism to do that) or you didn't realise, in which case, apologise and take this as an opportunity to learn. To stereotype and make derogatory comments towards any group of people due to matters such as race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, background or anything at all is always discriminatory and wrong. You are never "defending Freddie" by merely insulting someone anyway and in any case, everyone here agrees that that video is obviously stupid (I can't even tell if it was made as an unfunny joke. Surely no person could actually believe the stuff in it.) FunLovinCriminal your reasoning is completely correct, except you should stop trying to link Donna13 to this other poster and apologise to her. It wasn't her who posted those comments, so I don't understand why you are saying it is her. It detracts from your other comments which all make sense. I understand you disagreed in the other thread, but I don't understand why you have made that so personal to keep insulting Donna and it is completely wrong to insinuate she had anything to do with this poster's comments. You can clearly discuss matters in an interesting way, so why not begin it here. We are in agreement with you in this topic. |
| Donna13 19.02.2019 01:15 |
Thank you, Spiralstatic. |
| The Circle of Eidolon 19.02.2019 02:21 |
NPOWER wrote: We are losing what this thread was all about. You people are taking this to another level. The voice on that hate video was a black mans voice he is spouting hatred at Queen. Get a grip guys defending this piece of trash its not worth it,The Circle of Eidolon knows that rational thought or explanation is far beyond your understanding. In your attempts to win arguments you regularly use derogatory terms and names, you accuse people of doing or saying what they clearly haven't. You have, in this thread, chosen to be racist. You have then re enforced those remarks in posts where you've thinly veiled a back track. An exploration of your past posts that litter these forums will prove what we say here. We know you are incapable of gaining an education from this, we do however hope others will have learned more about you from your post and replies on this thread. The Circle of Eidolon has spoken. . . . you don't need too. |
| pittrek 19.02.2019 14:52 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I see you leave out the most virulently racist parts of the post. Accidentally? Deliberately? I really don't care anymore. Anyway, here it is:Honestly? I have never read that, was it there always or did (s)he edit the post? There can be no debate as to whether that is racist. It is *textbook racism*. And everyone, literally everyone, who reads it knows that.I agree. I don't care whether or not TS is a troll - the comment is definitely racist, and I can't say I like the way people are excusing it.I'm not excusing it, I'm ignoring it. I'm gonna rant for a while - I live in a country where we have a basically fascist party in the parliament. And there is a pretty real chance their head will be our new president later this year ( link ). He started as a pathetic clown who made public meetings (from time to time in imitations of nazi uniforms) and the few people who went there went there to laugh at them. So what changed? The media started to talk about him. Daily. Police started to go to their rallies and he ended up arrested every single time, and every single time he got released because it's not illegal to be an ass. So people, who ignored him or laughed at him suddenly started to feel sympathies for him, simply because they heard about him every single day and they have seen him getting arrested without any good reason (since he was let go every single time). So of course, during the local elections he became a local governor, and the media freaked out even more, PROMOTING him even more. So guess what? He's in our parliament since 2016, with some very special people (like a man who got caught on camera throwing rocks at a muslim family who just passed by one of their rallies) and there is a very realistic chance he will be our next president. I seriously believe there are just 2 types of "correct response" to people who spread these types of beliefs, depending on what is their motivation 1) Ignore them. When they find out people ignore them, they find something better to do. Giving them attention means making them feel that they are right even more, and trying to stop them is creating new people like him 2) The Daryl Davis method ( link ) Or maybe I'm just naive. |
| Star* 19.02.2019 16:18 |
Who ever is "The Circle Eidolon" he/she needs to get a life and grow up. I do not give a toss on there views and they have no right to come across so superior and look down there nose at peoples views and make a comment to belittle them on here, so they have no right whatsoever to judge anyone so just go an fuck off. |
| Holly2003 19.02.2019 21:21 |
As usual, PArtridge has the last word. link |