| DustRecords 05.02.2019 00:35 |
I've wanting to know for a while, how many concerts survive in soundboard form in Queens archive, the bootlegs there is over 280 odd concerts surviving in that form but how many concerts survive in the archive through soundboard recording. could someone with more know how of the bands archive history answer this question for I cannot seem to find too much information on the subject thank you |
| The Real Wizard 05.02.2019 04:15 |
The story goes that there are stereo sbd tapes of nearly every show from 1974 onward (although it has also been said that their FOH guy recorded the gigs from day one). As plenty of bands do, they recorded their gigs for reference, usually to listen to in the limo on the way back to the hotel. |
| Makka 05.02.2019 08:55 |
I think we'd all love to know what's in the vaults. Unfortunately we'll probably never find out! |
| MercurialFreddie 05.02.2019 08:56 |
@The Real Wizard: Wasn't it denied by Gary ? (They supposedly cannot locate these tapes) |
| dudeofqueen 05.02.2019 09:23 |
MercuriualFreddie, re: >Wasn't it denied by Gary ? And there was the list that Greggy Boy provided some time back too that provided very little of worth is existance. Other than that TFFMS had never been recorded...... |
| Thistle 05.02.2019 15:29 |
We've heard all sorts of stories through the years, nothing proven either way to the best of my knowledge (unless there's SB shows being circulated between the elite collectors). There's been a few big clangers over the years: Greg stated that TFFMS had never been recorded - only for it to surface on the Rainbow box a few years ago; I *think* (although possibly wrong) they said that Sleeping on the Sidewalk hadn't been recorded (only for it to appear on the NOTW box) and Brian said that "It's A Hard Life" had never been played live (except for that entire tour in 1984 and many '85 shows). There's a number of possibilities: 1 - they don't know their arse from their elbow; 2 - they know full well what is in the archive and plan some surprises or 3 - they know full well what is in the archives, and we'll never know. IMO, it's a mix of 1 and 3. I'd love to hear much more live stuff in awesome quality, but I'm also grateful for what we do have. |
| Golden Salmon 05.02.2019 17:39 |
Brian both knows and (understandably) forgets a lot. It's interesting that he mentioned there's a lot more with Bowie than we know of, yet we already know they recorded an early "I Go Crazy"-like song titled "I Don't Want To Be A Rolling Stone" as well as a number of rock covers they seemingly recorded around that time according to Ratty. No properly mixed recordings, but still... And then again, he forgot about It's A Hard Life and seems to think that '39 was recorded in 1976. |
| Star* 05.02.2019 17:51 |
Brian and Roger are terrible when it comes to remembering dates, i remember Brian saying in an old interview that Queen2 was made in 1975 ! and Roger has also had dates wrong too. |
| emrabt 05.02.2019 18:23 |
dudeofqueen wrote: MercuriualFreddie, re: >Wasn't it denied by Gary ? And there was the list that Greggy Boy provided some time back too that provided very little of worth is existance. Other than that TFFMS had never been recorded......Greg made a half arsed list of stuff "worth releasing", therefore it was (I think), mostly opinion based and mostly stuff we knew about. Since then Greg and Gary have dug up a few nice gems which were not known about, even by them...... The Fairy Fellers Master Stroke being one. |
| guild93 05.02.2019 18:29 |
Greg once said something to the effect " a shitload more than anyone dreamed of" but those recordings have no audience sound, just desk , so not suitable for release |
| Makka 06.02.2019 14:02 |
guild93 wrote: Greg once said something to the effect " a shitload more than anyone dreamed of" but those recordings have no audience sound, just desk , so not suitable for releaseI don't want to hear the audience anyway! I want the music! |
| on my way up 06.02.2019 14:40 |
When did Greg ever say there are a shitload of soundboard recordings? I know an administrator from queenonline stated this as a fact (which is good news) and the fact they were able to present us Sleeping on the sidewalk from a soundboard recording further affirms this. No doubt there are a lot of goodies in the archive… It's beyond sad they once chose to do a 100 best of the bootlegs which was a total flop because of the poor execution. I think having a 20 concerts (or even better 50 or 100 :-) ) soundboard series with 2 released each year would be perfect. They could present us with things like LA 22-12-77 and if they decide to give us something less exclusive they offer us Slane, Manchester or Newcastle '86 ;-) Sadly, this kind of series is not on the agenda. They deem these recording (all astounding I'm sure) not good enough. |
| dave76 06.02.2019 14:49 |
Keep on dreaming people. Brian and Roger are less and less interesting in archival releases such as an anthology set we all crave for for decades now. But they also forget the fans are getting older as well. But as things look right now i doubt i will live to see a rarities boxset like the 3 Beatles boxes released. They just don't care about it. They rather go on a greatest hits tour with Adam. And since they are forgetting facts, dates and more, maybe now it's understandable that they think they've played Fat Bottomed Girls in 1974 lol. And let's be honest. We're getting even greater gems through this place. |
| Thistle 06.02.2019 15:06 |
On My Way Up - they should release a top 20 (or better, 50 or 100) soundboard series at 2 per year? Say they did 100 - that would be 50 years! Or 50....25 years!!!! Bloody hell mate, you've got some patience ;) :p |
| on my way up 06.02.2019 15:30 |
I expect to live long :-) And i'm young, just 33 years old. And now nothing happens so 2 each year would be so much better than what we get now. A faster rate wouldn't hurt though... |
| Thistle 06.02.2019 17:41 |
lol :) |
| Donald Trump 06.02.2019 23:27 |
LET’S MAKE THE QUEEN ARCHIVE GREAT AGAIN! |
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| brENsKi 15.01.2020 16:04 |
guild93 wrote:Greg once said something to the effect " a shitload more than anyone dreamed of" but those recordings have no audience sound, just desk , so not suitable for releasei'm sure they could do something with the corresponding audience sounds from audience boots? |
| The Real Wizard 17.01.2020 18:20 |
Sure, they could fly in audience noise from some other show, which may well be what they did for Sleeping On The Sidewalk on the NOTW box set. It does sound a bit unnatural. That recording and the others Greg was speaking about were just done on two track reel to reel tape, just for reference. They probably have hundreds of them, from about 1975 onward. There's no audience on them because it's just a raw mix of the stage mics done on the fly. There's only audience noise on live recordings (i.e. live albums) when extra mics are specifically placed on the audience. Otherwise what little audience noise is heard just comes from the vocal and drum mics. |
| brENsKi 17.01.2020 18:44 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Sure, they could fly in audience noise from some other show, which may well be what they did for Sleeping On The Sidewalk on the NOTW box set. It does sound a bit unnatural.I was meaning the corresponding bootlegs for each sbd gig they have in the archive. it wouldn't even be such a huge job as the two tapes should line up. |
| Man from Zanzibar 18.01.2020 06:15 |
In a perfect world we would have been getting digital downloads of some soundboard recordings (or "official bootlegs" from tape in lesser quality) every year. Just for the hardcore fans, you know, it's not like Queen Prod. is out of money anytime soon. Too bad they couldn't care less about the Queen fans from the way back (or even new ones that are interested in rarities). And it will stay that way, unless you storm Jim Beach's "QP" Area 51 warehouse and steal everything, including Brian's "sport model" flying saucer. |
| runner_70 18.01.2020 07:07 |
Man from Zanzibar wrote: In a perfect world we would have been getting digital downloads of some soundboard recordings (or "official bootlegs" from tape in lesser quality) every year. Just for the hardcore fans, you know, it's not like Queen Prod. is out of money anytime soon. Too bad they couldn't care less about the Queen fans from the way back (or even new ones that are interested in rarities). And it will stay that way, unless you storm Jim Beach's "QP" Area 51 warehouse and steal everything, including Brian's "sport model" flying saucer.QP Area 51 lol :) Before anything rare comes out there will be another monopoly or puzzle. As long as uncritical fansheep live this London guy or Bronski beat are around who rave about anything nothing will change. Queen are the band with the worst re-Issues and the worst "official" rarities/Box sets out there by far. Look what the stones release. ABout 3-4 Digipacks with livesets including video. Or Beatles. Or Floyd. Sad but true we get another Japan Greatest Hits... |
| brENsKi 18.01.2020 09:20 |
runner_70 wrote: QP Area 51 lol :) Before anything rare comes out there will be another monopoly or puzzle. As long as uncritical fansheep live this London guy or Bronski beat are around who rave about anything nothing will change. Queen are the band with the worst re-Issues and the worst "official" rarities/Box sets out there by far. Look what the stones release. ABout 3-4 Digipacks with livesets including video. Or Beatles. Or Floyd. Sad but true we get another Japan Greatest Hits...On a serious note - I think you have me completely wrong on this one. I've never "raved" about Queen's "deluxe" releases. If anything, I've always been one of the biggest critics of what they do. It's nice that (rarely) we get something, but usually (like the NOTW box) leaves a feeling of "mmm, ok, but where's the rest?" And you're 100% correct about the Beatles and Floyd. Sadly, it really doesn't stop there. AC/DC, Rainbow, UFO, Purple and Zep have ALL shown how these collections should be done. Queen's biggest problem is Brian. He seems to have some "perfectionist obsession" going on, whereby even their demos/outtakes must be in a "decent enough" condition to be able to undergo/sustain through restoration to his "superior standard" before the fans can have it. Finally, something we agree on. A start eh? |
| runner_70 19.01.2020 01:09 |
brENsKi wrote:Seems the therapy and pills combined are starting to work. No go on the QAL section and bash them there...It frees your mindrunner_70 wrote: QP Area 51 lol :) Before anything rare comes out there will be another monopoly or puzzle. As long as uncritical fansheep live this London guy or Bronski beat are around who rave about anything nothing will change. Queen are the band with the worst re-Issues and the worst "official" rarities/Box sets out there by far. Look what the stones release. ABout 3-4 Digipacks with livesets including video. Or Beatles. Or Floyd. Sad but true we get another Japan Greatest Hits...On a serious note - I think you have me completely wrong on this one. I've never "raved" about Queen's "deluxe" releases. If anything, I've always been one of the biggest critics of what they do. It's nice that (rarely) we get something, but usually (like the NOTW box) leaves a feeling of "mmm, ok, but where's the rest?" And you're 100% correct about the Beatles and Floyd. Sadly, it really doesn't stop there. AC/DC, Rainbow, UFO, Purple and Zep have ALL shown how these collections should be done. Queen's biggest problem is Brian. He seems to have some "perfectionist obsession" going on, whereby even their demos/outtakes must be in a "decent enough" condition to be able to undergo/sustain through restoration to his "superior standard" before the fans can have it. Finally, something we agree on. A start eh? |
| runner_70 19.01.2020 01:12 |
brENsKi wrote: Queen's biggest problem is Brian.Always was always will be |
| Anton3283 19.01.2020 06:21 |
runner_70 wrote:Queenzone's biggest problem is runner_70brENsKi wrote: Queen's biggest problem is Brian.Always was always will be |
| Toozeup 22.01.2020 20:34 |
Queen have always had strong quality control over their live releases, just like Led Zeppelin. Just look at the mixes they did for Rainbow 74 and Hammy 75, they sound more like stadium gigs than theatres when comparing to earlier mixes. It's difficult to capture that sound on a 2-track soundboard recording unless they had an engineer monitoring it the whole time and audience/stage mics as well as board feeds to work with. I'm sure we will see such recordings released in the future but I can completely understand the band's reluctance to put out such recordings. |
| Man from Zanzibar 23.01.2020 05:22 |
There are recent audio tools that help with isolating vocals and instruments (from HQ non-multitracks) using Deep Learning AI like Spleeter and some others. I'd imagine those tools are going to get even better in the near future. link |
| Toozeup 23.01.2020 23:54 |
Good point. There are some great live releases that were done live to 2-track, the majority of Grateful Dead live albums in fact. Recordings they never even thought were releasable have been fixed up and released in recent times. Personally I'm all for fixing up the multi-tracks that are unusable. Supposedly Houston and Hyde Park both have problems with drop-outs, as long as it's not Freddie's vocals, I'm happy for them to overdub or sample from other live recordings to make them releasable. Spleeter sounds amazing, very much like the deep learning algorithms being developed to better upscale images and video. |
| The Real Wizard 28.01.2020 08:10 |
brENsKi wrote: Queen's biggest problem is Brian. He seems to have some "perfectionist obsession" going on, whereby even their demos/outtakes must be in a "decent enough" condition to be able to undergo/sustain through restoration to his "superior standard" before the fans can have it.And that same perfectionism is what helped make their classic albums from 1974-77 what they were - perfect. It's a package deal. |
| brENsKi 28.01.2020 16:30 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Yep. I'm not leveling that as a criticism of Brian, just citing it as the reason why many demos will likely not see light of day.brENsKi wrote: Queen's biggest problem is Brian. He seems to have some "perfectionist obsession" going on, whereby even their demos/outtakes must be in a "decent enough" condition to be able to undergo/sustain through restoration to his "superior standard" before the fans can have it.And that same perfectionism is what helped make their classic albums from 1974-77 what they were - perfect. It's a package deal. |
| RS_Protos 28.01.2020 17:34 |
It's all about the benjamins, the rest is all games |
| brENsKi 28.01.2020 17:57 |
RS_Protos wrote:It's all about the benjamins, the rest is all gamesto be honest, i don;t think it is. they're happy with their finances. i really think it's Brian's personal pride in his work - he genuinely doesn't want fans to hear anything sub-standard that he was involved with. and, let's face it - who would? |
| cmsdrums 29.01.2020 06:12 |
brENsKi wrote:I suppose it’s Brian’s view of what equates to ‘sub-standard’ that’s the issue!RS_Protos wrote:It's all about the benjamins, the rest is all gamesto be honest, i don;t think it is. they're happy with their finances. i really think it's Brian's personal pride in his work - he genuinely doesn't want fans to hear anything sub-standard that he was involved with. and, let's face it - who would? |
| The Real Wizard 29.01.2020 16:23 |
brENsKi wrote:Most artists want to protect their process, which is extremely private and personal. It's their diaries.The Real Wizard wrote:Yep. I'm not leveling that as a criticism of Brian, just citing it as the reason why many demos will likely not see light of day.brENsKi wrote: Queen's biggest problem is Brian. He seems to have some "perfectionist obsession" going on, whereby even their demos/outtakes must be in a "decent enough" condition to be able to undergo/sustain through restoration to his "superior standard" before the fans can have it.And that same perfectionism is what helped make their classic albums from 1974-77 what they were - perfect. It's a package deal. As fun and amazing it can be for us to hear the process, it's their right to guard it. |
| brENsKi 29.01.2020 16:52 |
brENsKi wrote:RS_Protos wrote:It's all about the benjamins, the rest is all gamesto be honest, i don;t think it is. they're happy with their finances. i really think it's Brian's personal pride in his work - he genuinely doesn't want fans to hear anything sub-standard that he was involved with. and, let's face it - who would? The Real Wizard wrote:exactly.brENsKi wrote:Yep. I'm not leveling that as a criticism of Brian, just citing it as the reason why many demos will likely not see light of day.Most artists want to protect their process, which is extremely private and personal. It's their diaries. As fun and amazing it can be for us to hear the process, it's their right to guard it. |