FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 00:26 |
I had recently watched the making of-bits from the promo-video-shoot for Days Of Our Lives again and found the appearance of Dave Clark in those pictures slightly annoying. He somehow doesn't really fit into Freddie's circle of friends, yet he obviously became more important to Freddie than Starker in his last years. Do any of you good people have any real knowledge on the bond between Freddie and Clark? I know all about Time etc. But I don't get the reason why Freddie felt the need to have Clark to be with him, as Clark always seemed to be a bit boring. I somewhere read that Clark might be a closeted gay man. That could be a clue, but neither Jim nor Phoebe made any real fuss in their books about Clark. Yet, he popped up all the time in certain situations with Freddie at the close of the 80's... |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 29.01.2019 00:29 |
I have mixed feelings about him. He's gone all over the press saying he was the only one with Freddie when its been disputed by Phoebe and Jim. He also treated his former bandmates like shit. I think he's gay (he's said in interviews he's "too busy" for a wife. Sure) and found solace in hanging out with other gay people in addition to Freddie's wonderful personality. It's interesting how he isn't mentioned all that much by those who were actually there. Was he there during the final weeks as much as he says he was? |
FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 00:53 |
Yeah. To me he always looked like a hanger-on. If he really is gay, it's no wonder that he's too busy for a wife. Besides, what possible wife would have Dave Clark as her husband? The guy is really not an eye-catcher, is he? |
pholidota 29.01.2019 02:24 |
Apparently he and Freddie truly were close friends for whatever reason. I have no opinion on him, he never gets mentioned. But he surely looks curious these days. |
vicspec 29.01.2019 03:56 |
Also do you think he has extra Freddie material in the Time archives? Other than demos and takes of the tracks we know of, there is the live performance at the Dominion Theater with at least the one soundboard recording of Everyone Of Us which never made it to any Freddie Boxsets or compilations to date. What's he got in there? |
andres_clip 29.01.2019 06:38 |
He surely holding tight of all Mercury footage. Maybe it's this year to cash in? |
Chief Mouse 29.01.2019 06:41 |
Freddie can't be friends with somebody just because you consider them too boring? Are you serious? Do you even know Dave Clark? And even if he's not "flamboyant" who the fuck cares. What matters is what's in his heart instead of whether he looks good alongside Freddie according to your standards. |
stevelondon20 29.01.2019 07:21 |
Well said Chief. ^^^ |
Queenman!! 29.01.2019 07:58 |
FunLovinCriminal wrote: Yeah. To me he always looked like a hanger-on. If he really is gay, it's no wonder that he's too busy for a wife. Besides, what possible wife would have Dave Clark as her husband? The guy is really not an eye-catcher, is he?————————- He was an eye-catcher in the early 60 with dave clark five band and later quite succesful as an producer. Today with all the plastic surgery done he looks like a fired pirate from the Johnny Depp films |
Invisible Woman 29.01.2019 08:09 |
From Jim's book I concluded that Dave Clark and Freddie were good friends, that he was coming in Garden Lodge for birthdays, Christmas ... Just in the book Jim says Dave was the only person (who was not live in the house) who came every day in the last Freddie's days to spend time with him. |
Star* 29.01.2019 15:41 |
I think Dave Clarke was indeed a gay man, but not openly "out" but why should he. He did seem to be very close to Freddie from around 1986 to the final days of Freddie's life. A nice guy and Freddie seemed to get on with him very well. |
ForFreddie 29.01.2019 15:58 |
Thee, Dave Clark, from the ,' Dave Clark 5?' Cool! |
FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 19:56 |
Queen3: Why should he have been out? Because personal freedom is all about being open and being true to yourself. Are you sure that you want to support the ongoing self-denial-scheme with its same old statements like it's a private thing, it doesn't matter etc. If it really does not matter, why wouldn't be more people out? As long as there are Neonazis in this world, there is indeed a need to come out and show them that we exist and that we will not be obliged by them fuckers. |
ForFreddie 29.01.2019 20:38 |
Gay people, should not be treated any differently than anyone else, because, they are PEOPLE ! I'm not gay, but, I had a couple gay co-workers once, there was no difference in the way they did their work, the way they interacted with others, we had normal conversations, about the same things everyone talks about, because, they are just, people, like everyone else.... some people don't seem to get that. |
FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 21:33 |
You paint a rather boring picture of gay people. Same, same, same. To quote the great Frank Zappa again: „Gay people do stuff other people don't like“. I could get graphic now, but I fear to howling of the straight majority here. In principle, though, you're right, For Freddie. And you know that I love you for that. But let me assure you that I would look at you differently than you're straight co-worker would do. If you were a man, that is, of course. |
FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 21:34 |
*the howling... |
ForFreddie 29.01.2019 22:09 |
I'm not a man. I wasn't trying to paint o picture, I was just remembering the people I worked with as being very much, the same as everyone else. There was Steven, though, I really liked him and, I guess the funny thing was, I think it was because I knew he wouldn't hit on me, it was a nice little friendship. I mean no disrespect when I say this, but, I never really know how to talk to/about gay people, I'm always afraid of coming across as... trying too hard? To show I'm not homophobic...? Some people have actually accused me of " just trying to prove you're not homophobic." You know, just like, when a person says, " I have a lot of black friends," and people accusing them of trying to prove they're not racist. |
Star* 29.01.2019 22:27 |
Fun lovin criminal : Every gay man does not have to "come out" as it depend on the person and if they are comfortable with that. Some people choose to remain private about there sexual orientation and Freddie was also one of those people, you never ever heard him say "i am a gay man" and he always denied it in the press. Dave Clarke can choose what he wants to do who he wants to tell and when. We do not have to judge him at all that is his decision. |
FunLovinCriminal 29.01.2019 23:04 |
ForFreddie, if you think that I love you less, because you are not a man, you're wrong. Thank you for opening up on your uncertainty towards gay people. May I try to take it from you by stating that people by and large are uncertain how to approach other human beings. Especially gay men show a huge uncertainty, which is why a lot of them/us still hide away in ghettos to evidently feel safe there. The drawback to that is the uniformity in the so called gay community. I always preferred individuals, regardless of everything with which people are usually categorized. Let's face it, quite a lot of people categorize themselves in order to belong to a certain group of people. I personally find that pretty boring. Most of my friends are straight males, but they're individualists. They don't give a fuck if I am gay. My best friends, though, have always been seniors, female and male. I worship their wisdom, their humility and their ability to not judge anyone. Learning from them freed me so much that I can now fully appreciate myself as the person I am and therefore I think, or I hope, that I can appreciate other people for what they are, including being old, gay, black, straight, handicapped or whatever. But it goes way beyond that. Being gay is a part of me, but it is just one part of me. That's why there is no need for you to make any difference when you approach any of us. On the other hand, there's so much exclusion going on among gay men, which never made any sense to me. And there is still some strong sense of hatred towards women going on within the so called gay community, which must not be. It is all due to insecurity. When any minority turns into a majority, it usually excludes other people. And that's a shame. We as gay men still have to learn a lot and the most important thing is to learn to be able to accept ourselves. Because that way we can more easily accept other people. Or, to put it a different way, if I don't admit my own vulnerability to myself, I have no sense for the vulnerability of other people. Therefore it is important that all gay men have to come out eventually. If any woman, black person, gay man or any senior citizen feels that she or he has to hide away from society because of what she or he is, no one of us is really free. And, as far as I have heard, we're living in the lands of the free, aren't we? |
ForFreddie 30.01.2019 00:51 |
Very well said. |
victor fleitas 30.01.2019 02:59 |
Dave Clark wrote "In My Defense". That's enough for me to have a huge respect for the man. I love that song! And thanks to the friendship Freddie and Clark had, we can enjoy their music. |
stevelondon20 30.01.2019 07:41 |
'In My Defence' is an absolute gem. Adore that song. |
dysan 30.01.2019 08:03 |
It's easy to forget how big DC was back then. And rich. Their friendship made sense to me. Showbiz innit. |
Star* 30.01.2019 10:08 |
fun lovin criminal No one has to come out just to please society. Been gay is a private affair and why should everyone who is LGBT come out because some do not want to be exposed and have private lives. We are not living in an ideal world like you seem to think, and do not forget we are now living in a violent society of gun culture and there is still sadly many homophobic thugs out there carrying knifes and guns. The wise gay man should keep his sexual orientation private because life is so precious and shouting from the roof tops "i am gay" will attract the wrong kind of attention. |
FunLovinCriminal 30.01.2019 10:25 |
Queen3: Really? The brave gay man will not surrender to the right-wing forces and their longings towards an armed society (see the newly elected Brazilian dictator). I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that I seem to think that we are living in an ideal world. You may read my post again. No one comes out to please society. Everybody should come out to please her- or himself and show diversity. Had it not been for the brave men during the Stonewall-era or for people like Harvey Milk, or to a lesser extend Freddie Mercury, reality might be even less pleasing for any nonconformist today. What you are trying to tell me is the opposite: Be conformist, because that way you'll not be a target to armed bigots. The silent German masses during Hitler's time thought just that.I for one, will stand up whenever I feel the need to. Regardless of what you think, because I have to stand up for myself. |
Star* 30.01.2019 17:43 |
FunLovinCriminal Some Gay people will come out others wont, it depends on there characters and yeah i applaud Peter Tatchell and Stonewall for there superb work over the years, without them Gay People would be underground and probably in a scary world like those living in backward Russia. There is a host of musical figures that were more out than Freddie, like Jimmy Somerville, Boy George Marilyn, Elton...........and i think they helped to shape the public's perception of the gay people. |
dudeofqueen 30.01.2019 17:59 |
Gay or not, Clark should do the decent thing and prepare those "Ready! Steady! Go!" tapes for full and comprehensive release. Can't imagine he's spending hours wanking over his Dave Clark 5 performances........ But, then again....... |
oligneisti 30.01.2019 18:45 |
victor fleitas wrote: Dave Clark wrote "In My Defense". That's enough for me to have a huge respect for the man. I love that song! And thanks to the friendship Freddie and Clark had, we can enjoy their music.My thoughts almost exactly. I also love "It's in Everyone of Us" which wonderful people made available but I actually do have dream somebody doing a mashup of that song with Freddie and Kermit the Frog (Jim Henson) doing a duo. Gay or not gay. Not my business. Couldn't care less either way. And of course if we'd judge everyone for faulty or selective memory then we'd have to kill all our heroes. |
Star* 30.01.2019 18:51 |
As i said earlier sexuality is the individuals business no one else's. No one should judge or criticise anyone in any way. Infact its 2019 so why are we even talking about this ? |
FunLovinCriminal 30.01.2019 19:32 |
QUEEN3: Do you actually know what you are posting? There's lots of contradiction in your postings in this thread. |
Star* 30.01.2019 21:13 |
Yeah i do know what i am posting, but i think you dont ! |
FunLovinCriminal 30.01.2019 21:21 |
QUEEN3: I doubt very much that you really do know what you post here. It's nonsense in large parts. Besides, I don't want to be lectured by you. And I doubt that any other gay man needs your comments. |
Stelios 31.01.2019 07:11 |
FunLovinCriminal :wrong. ?nd in the face of Jussie Smollett (from «Empire») attack, QUEEN3 's comments have points. |
Star* 31.01.2019 07:45 |
FunLovinCriminal All gay men are not the same and they all have different values in life, whats your prob? |
Vocal harmony 31.01.2019 13:53 |
QUEEN3 wrote: FunLovinCriminal All gay men are not the same and they all have different values in life, whats your prob?Probably that most of your values belong in the gutter. |
Star* 31.01.2019 15:18 |
Vocal Harmony why you come on here stalking me is sick, just fuck off your mentally unhinged and a troll. |
Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.02.2019 18:41 |
Vocal Harmony: This isn't the place for your homophobic assholery |
Donald Trump 06.02.2019 21:02 |
LET’S MAKE DAVE CLARK GREAT AGAIN! |
FunLovinCriminal 08.02.2019 00:18 |
Vocal harmony: You hit the head on the nail. QUEEN3 or Delilah2 or whatever the fuck this hero is calling himself or herself is a pain in the ass. Donald Trump: Can you please build your wall among QUEEN3 or Delilah 2 or whatever that pain in the ass is calling himself or herself? |
Star* 08.02.2019 10:35 |
FunLovinCriminal Who the fuck are you calling with your stupid rants on here. For your information we are all entitled to our own views and you are NOT the only one on here to make a comment, so stop been a selfish brat. |
FunLovinCriminal 08.02.2019 12:24 |
Look, Delilah2, I honestly appreciate your foresight. All you've ever posted here is profound and a joy to read. Believe me, it took a while to get through all of your 1730 brilliant posts. But it was worth the work, as each has a splendid reason to exist. I have to say that it is all to do with love from your side. Could it be that you are Mary Austin in truth? That you are posting your comments from Garden Lodge? So many caring and loving words can only come from one source. Thank you for blessing me and countless other people with your presence. |
Star* 08.02.2019 15:16 |
Awww bless you darling xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
FunLovinCriminal 08.02.2019 16:16 |
Some more kind words from you, Delilah2. Thank you so much. If only Dave Clark could read them... and Mary Austin, too. |
Invisible Woman 08.02.2019 16:37 |
I just listened to some The Dave Clark five songs on YouTube. I like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ji1MMXoAVk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbG5iSOe4Y0 |
Star* 08.02.2019 18:49 |
I like Dave Clarke because he was very kind to Freddie. |
FunLovinCriminal 08.02.2019 20:22 |
His name is being spelled without an e at the end. Having had one drink too much? |
spiralstatic 10.02.2019 19:25 |
What about Dave's presence at the These Are the Days of Our Lives filming bothers you? To me, he seems very protective of and worried about Freddie, understandably: Freddie was clearly incredibly ill by then. My impression was that Dave cared a great deal about Freddie. He has the nicest things to say about Freddie in this interview and Freddie seems very comfortable in his company: link (I know nothing about Dave's sexuality, but Freddie's little quip at the start of this interview "That's my girlfriend as well" seems a potential little jokey implication as to Dave's sexuality to me, indicating Freddie agrees that he's gay. Not that it matters whether Dave is gay, straight, bi, asexual, pansexual or whatever.) It seems to me they were good friends and that Dave was there for Freddie when he was very ill and in the final years of his life. I know nothing about Dave's career, but I think he was famous enough to have no need to be a hanger on to anyone. And I think Freddie had many different kinds of friends. Who likes to be friends with all people with exactly the same personalities or exactly the same personality as yourself?! I imagine Freddie would have found that idea rather dull?! I don't know fully what happened with Peter Straker, but my feeling is that Freddie was terrified of the press (and probably his family too, even though his family must have known really) getting hold of a full story/confirmation from anyone that Freddie had AIDS. I heard Peter say he asked Freddie if he had AIDS and maybe at the time that was enough to scare Freddie and make him cut friendship with Peter? But others know way more about that than me. I personally never read anything about them falling out as much as Freddie just breaking contact, which to me signifies Freddie closing down the people he wanted around him in those final years rather than not getting on with anyone. I am explaining it badly. |
Star* 10.02.2019 20:22 |
Yes come to think of it i never saw Peter Straker at Fred's funeral, and i never knew they fell out. Peter was always hanging around Freddie and always at Garden Lodge in the kitchen with the other guys. As to Dave Clark well i am pretty certain he was gay but he was not really "out" like many of the celebs today he comes across as a private sort of guy. I think Freddie could be his true self around other gay men and very shy and reserved around straight men. |
spiralstatic 10.02.2019 20:38 |
Aspire wrote: Yes come to think of it i never saw Peter Straker at Fred's funeral, and i never knew they fell out. Peter was always hanging around Freddie and always at Garden Lodge in the kitchen with the other guys. As to Dave Clark well i am pretty certain he was gay but he was not really "out" like many of the celebs today he comes across as a private sort of guy. I think Freddie could be his true self around other gay men and very shy and reserved around straight men.Here's what Peter said in The Real Life. But I guess there can be many reasons why a person doesn't want someone around, especially in a situation when they are very ill and dying. It doesn't seem to me as though it was a falling out. It could be along the lines of what I said above (which I think I heard Peter speak about in a documentary maybe sometime?) or it could be as simple as not wanting any more people than need to know you're ill. It can even be protecting someone. Anyway, I guess we'll never know if Peter himself doesn't. |
Star* 11.02.2019 09:18 |
Yes that letter from Peter suggests that Freddie did not want Peter to visit him probably on the grounds that he did not want to upset Peter seeing him so frail and ill. Freddie was still very thoughtful and the great man was dying, how humble was that! It is also very annoying that a year after Freddie died they found a drug to stop people dying from HIV. |
FunLovinCriminal 12.02.2019 13:24 |
Yet another name, Clarity? And how surprising to read that you were present at Freddie's funeral service. That, of course, answers the question why Peter Straker hadn't been invited. Who needs or wants Peter Straker there if a person packed with wisdom such as yourself had lowered itself to having attended? I bet you went with Austin and Clark afterwards to some secret location, right? Can't wait to read more of your splendid revelations. You are really something. |
Star* 13.02.2019 11:17 |
FunLovinCriminal What are you smoking because you sound slightly deranged. My user name is my business and yeah i will change it as many times as i like because i am "The great pretender" ! |
NeverTooLate 08.03.2019 05:13 |
I rightly or wrongly have assumed D.C. is gay or, as they used to say in the 60's, "a confirmed bachelor." I think he adored Freddie, as most of Freddie's friends felt similarly, to one degree or another. It appears FM and DC were never romantically involved, or at least no one has ever said as such. DC certainly was devoted to FM and that devotion was evident in the amount of time DC spent with Freddie in his final days. I do take issue with DC claiming to have been the only one with Freddie when he passed, as that is contradictory to the other 2 people who were there and the details they provided. As for Straker, I at first felt really bad when I read that he was cut out of FM's life the last year, but upon reflection it seems Freddie had his reasons for closing ranks and he knew what was right and what his needs were and who he wanted to be around. |
cmsdrums 09.03.2019 16:51 |
I recall reading an interview with Mack saying that the reason Freddie/Queen didn’t work with him after AKOM was that as a real friend, Freddie didn’t want Mack having to live with seeing Freddie’s health deteriorate in front of him...it could be summised that Freddie took the same decision with others, including Peter Straker. |