| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 16:56 |
So I thought I would open up a conversation at the damage this movie is doing. We all know Paul did some really f-ed up things, and I'm not here to defend him, but the movie painting him as this constant villain is silly. I was on Youtube and came across a video montage of photos of Freddie and Paul. Some weren't even Paul, but his other mustached friends. I believe Lee was one of them! Anyway, most of the comments were things like "If it wasn't for Paul, Freddie would be alive!" and "Paul turned Freddie gay and corrupted him!" I'm pretty disgusted that people are taking the movie as fact and not bothering to do any actual research, which in this day and age isn't hard. Anyone else feel this way? |
| mr mason 24.01.2019 19:54 |
No! |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 20:02 |
So you agree with the people blaming Paul for Freddie contracting HIV? because that's utter nonsense. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 20:11 |
Same old story as in all Tinseltown-movies: good vs bad. It's boring, it's bland and it is exaggerated. Prenter was not responsible of FM contracting HIV and he was not responsible for FM's death. It is very very sensible to even come close to telling anone it is his/her fault that he/she has contracted HIV. The gay world was quite flippant at the time HIV became a problem, because no one could foresee what lay ahead. Thus, im fact, no one is to blame. If no one planted HIV into the gay world, that is, of course. |
| Star* 24.01.2019 20:33 |
The band hated Paul Prenter and Brian has said often enough Paul introduced Freddie to the seedier side of life so yeah technically he did seal Freddie's fate. Paul also went on to stab Freddie in the back by going to the tabloids after he was sacked. He was an evil vindictive sort of character. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 20:53 |
Freddie would have found the clubs regardless if Paul was around. Paul was no doubt a back stabbing piece of trash, but Freddie wasn't a saint and Paul didn't lead him to anything. |
| bucsateflon 24.01.2019 21:24 |
Freddie wasn't a saint and Paul did lead him to everything. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 21:29 |
From what people who were actually there have said, seems like Freddie went to the clubs all on his own. The movie made it seem like Paul held him by the hand, forcing him in |
| stevelondon20 24.01.2019 22:34 |
Paul Prenter was a cunt. He was a Terrible man with a vile streak in him. |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 22:37 |
If you'd been aware of having been gay, but never had been able to fully explore your sexuality and then suddenly have a chance to do so, what would you do? Hang out with May and discuss physics? Mercury was probably happy to having had Prenter at his side, as an ally. But that doesn't mean that Prenter was responsible for all the evil that made everyone in Queen a multi-millionaire. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 24.01.2019 22:58 |
No one is debating whether Paul was awful or not. I'm just bringing attention to the fact that the movie is making some dimwits think Paul is responsible for Freddie getting sick and some even blame him for "turning Freddie gay" |
| FunLovinCriminal 24.01.2019 23:08 |
What are you talking about, Hooligan? Read your first post in this, your very own thread again, please. Didn't you quote on Prenter having been awful? |
| queenfan09 25.01.2019 02:24 |
I came across this interview a couple of weeks ago. with Pheobe and found what he said about Prenter's film character and the whole 'Hollywood formula' thing interesting: link (around the 16:33 min mark) Though he's still awful enough of course for selling private details to the press. I wonder who those 1-2 other people were that Phoebe was referring to (?) |
| Saint Jiub 25.01.2019 02:42 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: I was on Youtube and came across a video montage of photos of Freddie and Paul. Some weren't even Paul, but his other mustached friends. I believe Lee was one of them! Anyway, most of the comments were things like "If it wasn't for Paul, Freddie would be alive!" and "Paul turned Freddie gay and corrupted him!" I'm pretty disgusted that people are taking the movie as fact and not bothering to do any actual research, which in this day and age isn't hard.Hopefully there are only a few idiots believe that "Paul turned Freddie gay". However the film "needed" to subtly pander to homophobia and make Freddie's sexual life style "not his fault" to make Freddie a more sympathetic character to the mainstream (who bought lots of movie tickets). |
| dysan 25.01.2019 08:20 |
That college magazine interview shared on here recently with him was most enlightening and certainly made me think he wasn't the bad guy. |
| bucsateflon 25.01.2019 09:33 |
Saint Jiub wrote: However the film "needed" to subtly pander to homophobia and make Freddie's sexual life style "not his fault" to make Freddie a more sympathetic character to the mainstream (who bought lots of movie tickets).and lots of fanboy idiots said the movie made Freddie look as a bad person, which is it ? |
| pholidota 25.01.2019 11:00 |
Many people close to the band have said negative things about Prenter, so I think it's safe to say that he was bit of cunt and in the end, not the best person to have around. I wouldn't go as far as call him or anyone else 'a bad guy' though, since in real life all stories have many sides and truths. However, Hollywood films need generic bad guys and equally generic rise-and-fall story lines. Prenter and whoever else inspired that movie-Prenter-character got to be shown as one dimensional as all the other characters, with the exception of Freddie, in the film. Some things Prenter gets blamed for might be true, some exacerbated but no one made Freddie gay, you can't really blame anyone for him getting AIDS and he went to the clubs and did drugs of his own free will. People on YouTube comment section might blame Prenter on those things, but it has never been the greatest example of intelligent life anyway. |
| Star* 25.01.2019 17:24 |
Disagree with part of your comments, vulnerable kids get sucked into the drugs and booze cos there friends do it so they have a go, and the same for Freddie he was a vulnerable shy guy and Paul Prenter was very devious and evil, he was probably very jealous of Freddie and thought if he got him hooked on drugs .............and introduce him to dodgy characters that may destroy him |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 25.01.2019 18:33 |
Freddie wasn't hooked on drugs, lmao, and neither was he forced to clubs by Paul. |
| hectormercury 25.01.2019 20:53 |
alguno tiene el dia prenter conto la historia de freddie?? gracias |
| The Real Wizard 25.01.2019 20:58 |
Saint Jiub wrote:Bang on. It was pretty low risk, high reward.Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: I was on Youtube and came across a video montage of photos of Freddie and Paul. Some weren't even Paul, but his other mustached friends. I believe Lee was one of them! Anyway, most of the comments were things like "If it wasn't for Paul, Freddie would be alive!" and "Paul turned Freddie gay and corrupted him!" I'm pretty disgusted that people are taking the movie as fact and not bothering to do any actual research, which in this day and age isn't hard.Hopefully there are only a few idiots believe that "Paul turned Freddie gay". However the film "needed" to subtly pander to homophobia and make Freddie's sexual life style "not his fault" to make Freddie a more sympathetic character to the mainstream (who bought lots of movie tickets). But of course, by "mainstream" you mean "middle America". The rest of the world has pretty well caught up by now. |
| The Real Wizard 25.01.2019 21:00 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: Freddie wasn't hooked on drugsYou are definitely welcome to believe that fairy tale. Hate to break it to you, but excess completely took over the band by 82. It got to a point where the show wouldn't start unless the coke showed up. |
| k-m 26.01.2019 00:39 |
The Real Wizard That's an interesting contribution. While entirely believable, it would be great if you could elaborate a bit more on how you know it, if it was actually only on Freddie's request, etc. With regards to Paul... Well, it is an awful and probably an inexcusable thing to do in terms of what he did selling the stories etc. But on the whole, I don't think he was as bad as some seem to think. I really doubt I would have spoken to such a guy again either after what he had done, but unfortunately, Freddie was also a tragic character in many ways and lived in the slightly wrong time in terms of HIV spreading on such a scale (mainly). It appears, not from the movie, but from all I learned about Queen so far, that he was vulnerable indeed, but also pursued certain things quite actively. And I wouldn't blame or judge him in any way for doing so. I suspect I would have been even worse under the circumstances ;-) But to sum up this thought, I think if Paul wasn't there, Freddie would eventually find someone else in this vein, because that's what he was simply attracted to at a certain time and what his various past experiences led him to. I will still think of him as the generous, loving person he seemed to be, regardless of whatever mess he sadly got into. And finally, with regards to moviegoers and what they are going to make of it. Well, I think we already know the answer with albums selling like hotcakes and an increased interest in the band overall. Don't underestimate the public, especially in this day and age ;-) They just love Queen, end of. Queen90 fan, if I remember your nick correctly, thanks for sharing this interview, very interesting indeed. |
| Invisible Woman 26.01.2019 08:51 |
I think all characters from the movie are based more on fiction than on real people. His role in the movie also. |
| Star* 26.01.2019 10:25 |
Freddie says he wants everybody to go out and get Fucked ! |
| Vocal harmony 26.01.2019 12:57 |
EMI2565 wrote: Freddie says he wants everybody to go out and get Fucked !Look where that got him |
| Vocal harmony 26.01.2019 13:03 |
k-m wrote: The Real Wizard That's an interesting contribution. While entirely believable, it would be great if you could elaborate a bit more on how you know it, if it was actually only on Freddie's request, etc. With regards to Paul... Well, it is an awful and probably an inexcusable thing to do in terms of what he did selling the stories etc. But on the whole, I don't think he was as bad as some seem to think. I really doubt I would have spoken to such a guy again either after what he had done, but unfortunately, Freddie was also a tragic character in many ways and lived in the slightly wrong time in terms of HIV spreading on such a scale (mainly). It appears, not from the movie, but from all I learned about Queen so far, that he was vulnerable indeed, but also pursued certain things quite actively. And I wouldn't blame or judge him in any way for doing so. I suspect I would have been even worse under the circumstances ;-) But to sum up this thought, I think if Paul wasn't there, Freddie would eventually find someone else in this vein, because that's what he was simply attracted to at a certain time and what his various past experiences led him to. I will still think of him as the generous, loving person he seemed to be, regardless of whatever mess he sadly got into. And finally, with regards to moviegoers and what they are going to make of it. Well, I think we already know the answer with albums selling like hotcakes and an increased interest in the band overall. Don't underestimate the public, especially in this day and age ;-) They just love Queen, end of. Queen90 fan, if I remember your nick correctly, thanks for sharing this interview, very interesting indeed.I kind of agree, but at the same time it can't be denied that Prenter led Freddie in certain directions at certain times. And it's well known that Prenter drove a wedge between the band and media, as he made himself a major point of contact, and also between Freddie and the band. |
| Vocal harmony 26.01.2019 13:08 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Even earlier than that, to some degree. Listen to the pacing of some of the songs in live shows in 79. It's clear that a member of the rhythm section was fuelled on Bolivia's finest.Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: Freddie wasn't hooked on drugsYou are definitely welcome to believe that fairy tale. Hate to break it to you, but excess completely took over the band by 82. It got to a point where the show wouldn't start unless the coke showed up. |