Star* 16.12.2018 10:00 |
Yep it is 40 years since Queen released "Jazz" back in 1978. I remember getting the album for my birthday in November 1978. There is some amazing tracks on the album like "Dead on Time" " If you cant beat them" "Mustapha" etc....... so why has the album had no celebration re-release with special bonus content added like re-takes and archives and even unreleased tracks that never made the cut? To me these classic Queen albums are a million times more important than current Queen + activity. |
mr mason 16.12.2018 10:06 |
Agreed! |
Star* 16.12.2018 10:09 |
The only thing that has been established concerning JAZZ is the Queen fan club have some new Jazz merchandise for sale but no new Cds on this iconic album. |
. 16.12.2018 10:15 |
I remember going to the Lyceum in '78 and hearing the album before it was released. It was at the first convention, the one that got forgotten. |
dudeofqueen 16.12.2018 10:31 |
BJOU, re: >so why has the album had no celebration re-release Simple. There's no mileage in it. No absolute standout singles were released from the album that could be used to piggy-pack on and, arguably, contains some utter shit in Mustapha, More Of That Jazz, Fun It and Dreamer's Ball. In the current climate of #metoo, you'll never get a lot of airplay for either Fat Bottomed Girls or Bicycle Race and certainly NONE for the BR promo. Nothing going for it, really....... |
Star* 16.12.2018 12:29 |
I do disagree as " Fat Bottomed Girls" & " Bicycle Race" is played often on my local radio station. "Mustapha" was a european smash for Queen and " Dreamers Ball" was a crowd pleaser and that is why it was included on "Live Killers" in 1979. |
dave76 16.12.2018 13:27 |
I think we can wait for 2020 for a 40th anniversary boxset of The Game. 2 US number 1's on that. They won't miss that believe me. For next we can only cross our fingers for a Live Killers boxset. But....oh yes, they're also going on tour. |
mooghead 16.12.2018 13:29 |
There is something going on right now that Queen are more invested in. Plus, Jazz is horrible.. the first Queen album with filler material, there are some hits there so lets plump it out with some crap.. I like to try and convince myself that it because they were very busy and had a reputation as a live act so they made the most of the limited studio time but you cannot compromise standards. It is strange that up until recently DSMN was the most popular Queen song by far.. it is almost that they didn't give it that much thought so it came out amazing. |
dudeofqueen 16.12.2018 13:32 |
mooghead, re: >There is something going on right now that Queen are more invested in. Queen or *Queen+*? >Jazz is horrible.. the first Queen album with filler material, there are some hits there so lets plump it out with some crap. Yep - a turd is still a turd, no matter how much you polish and package it . |
mooghead 16.12.2018 14:41 |
"Queen or *Queen+*?" The movie. They are going to drain that fucking thing for every penny. Forget new material for at least the next 4 years... |
Star* 16.12.2018 14:59 |
Jazz was a fun album and not as bad as some people think of it on here. I only wished they had released "if you cant beat them" as a UK single as it was a lively rocky sort of song and would have been great after "Dont stop me now" |
Freddie rey 16.12.2018 15:37 |
let's be honest, the 'anniversary' sets are only for albums that had great sales on his day. But Jazz wasn't a huge hit... we could expect an anniversary remaster of The Game, but not from Jazz or Hot Space |
Makka 16.12.2018 15:43 |
I don't think it was a bad album in my opinion but for me it was that transition album from the old Queen to the new. News Of The World was their last truly great all round album in my eyes. |
dudeofqueen 16.12.2018 16:28 |
BJOU, re: >Jazz was a fun album and not as bad as some people think of it on here. It was / is fucking dreadful. That pseudo-mono thing going on at the start of "Mustapha" is just an utter embarrassment. There's no way on EARTH that is a deliberate, artistic statement. >I only wished they had released "if you cant beat them" as a UK single as it was a lively rocky sort of song and would have been great after "Dont stop me now" As a single in competition with material from the likes of The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Jam etc, it would have absolutely bombed at over 4 minutes. Perhaps it would have been a success in Europe, but as a commercial market, would have carried absolutely no weight (reference the success of The Cross in Germany......). |
Nathan H 16.12.2018 17:27 |
The reason why Queen didn't do a special edition of Jazz is simple: Brian and Roger don't like the album . Also, commercially Jazz was their least selling album since Queen II . Why would Queen celebrate an album that didn't bring much worldwide success like News Of The World or A Night At The Opera? Jazz is not one of my favourites because there are a couple of songs I don't like. |
Holly2003 16.12.2018 17:34 |
It's a mistake to think that punk dominated the UK charts in the late 1970s. The Sex Pistols had come and gone by 1978. FBG/BR was higher in the charts than The Jam's Down in the Tube Station at Midnight (although neither Queen song could top the lyric "They smelt of pubs, and wormwood scrubs, and too many right wing meetings") and also sold more than the Undertones' Teenage Kicks. In 1979 CLTCL was higher in the charts than Eton Rifles by the Jam. In any event, in 1978 the UK charts were dominated by songs from the movie Grease. I believe that in the USA If You Can't Beat Them would've been a good bet for a hit single, given its bigger rock market. |
bucsateflon 16.12.2018 17:38 |
"if you cant beat them....join them" This must be one of the most unethical, wrong message someone could give... probably they tried to repair this mess by coming on the next album with a positive, helping message "don't try suicide", unfortunately this message came along with a melody fit for retarded children. |
Holly2003 16.12.2018 18:13 |
bucsateflon wrote: "if you cant beat them....join them" This must be one of the most unethical, wrong message someone could give... probably they tried to repair this mess by coming on the next album with a positive, helping message "don't try suicide", unfortunately this message came along with a melody fit for retarded children.Yes, John Deacon was history's worst monster. And I would say your comment "with a melody fit for retarded children" is much worse than the song. |
dysan 16.12.2018 19:59 |
Jazz is great. There was plenty of filler on earlier albums IMO. Perhaps not as much as Jazz, but it was probably a couple of songs too long anyway. Perhaps one of the reasons I like it. I could understand why it MIGHT have got an anniversary with DSMN and FBG - but perhaps their inclusion in BR was considered enough to reactivate interest in Jazz. I guess any reissue would be lost alongside the film. Queen like to focus on one thing at a time. Role on LK 40. |
Dim 16.12.2018 20:26 |
Jazz is great album, I think it needs a remix. The eye game had great instrumental of more of that jazz. It sold better than the first 3 albums and ADATR, itwent Platinum both UK and US. |
cmi 16.12.2018 20:52 |
^ What do you like in 'More Of That Jazz' eYe instrumental. 40 seconds repeated 5 or 6 times in a row ? |
Dim 17.12.2018 07:45 |
It is more interesting with better sound since it is a remix. The Eye provide many instrumental remixes on songs like more of that jazz, morden times rock n roll, IGSM, and party to name few, all of which have better drum sound. The Jazz suffers on drum sound and in general is little mud. If it was the other way it could have been great. I wish it had the game sound treatment. In terms of music is very experimental with clever ideas and many beautiful songs. |
dysan 17.12.2018 08:23 |
The Eye mixes are a bit echoy for my tastes (I guess due to when they were done and by whom) but I see what you mean - I think they're just nice to hear without singing. No problems with the Jazz sound for me |
Star* 17.12.2018 08:31 |
I think some people on here are a little to bitter as the Jazz album is concerned, who does not love "Dead on Time" "In only seven days" "Let me entertain you" "Jealousy" it is beautiful album and well crafted in switzerland. I think in terms of bad albums my ultimate would be "Made in Heaven" that album just has a bad serious feel to it. |
dysan 17.12.2018 08:42 |
I agree with MIH - it was born out of good intention, but for me is about as related to 'My' Queen as Cosmos Rocks. That said, of the Jazz songs you listed, only LMEY is on my 'keep' list. DOT is a maybe. |
jozef 17.12.2018 09:33 |
JAZZ was/is OK album, better than everything by Queen after The Game ... Definitely !!! |
Dim 17.12.2018 10:15 |
This is bad remix during 90s but the interesting thing is the different vocal take. link |
pittrek 17.12.2018 11:59 |
Jazz is a great album, but it's horribly mixed |
little foetus 17.12.2018 13:07 |
Everyone has his own opinion on this album. Some like it, some don't. Nonetheless, as some people said, Jazz was a relative flop at the time, it did not sell that much, no single really stood out at the time, even Don't Stop Me Now which is massive nowadays. And it does not seem it is a very loved album in Queen members. Roger has publicly despised this album and I think (but not sure) Brian too. When you see that even a very popular album like ADATR did not have its 40th anniversary treatment, it is no surprise Jazz is overlooked this year. |
Makka 17.12.2018 13:25 |
little foetus wrote: Everyone has his own opinion on this album. Some like it, some don't. Nonetheless, as some people said, Jazz was a relative flop at the time, it did not sell that much, no single really stood out at the time, even Don't Stop Me Now which is massive nowadays. And it does not seem it is a very loved album in Queen members. Roger has publicly despised this album and I think (but not sure) Brian too. When you see that even a very popular album like ADATR did not have its 40th anniversary treatment, it is no surprise Jazz is overlooked this year.I still think A Day At The Races is the ultimate Queen album in regards to their musical prowess. Can't believe they didn't do a 40th Anniversary issue.:( |
dysan 17.12.2018 14:19 |
Much like Bowie's Station To Station having a HUGE deluxe box back in 2010 (his only one to get treatment THAT overblown) it was curious NOTW being the only Queen one having the same treatment. Apart from having 2 big songs on it and a cool cover as an actual record it didn't really capture the zeitgeist of when it was released. Odd. |
Star* 17.12.2018 17:42 |
Jazz maybe overlooked musically but the fan club are selling JAZZ merchandise at the moment so someone must love this album? I thought it was Hot Space that many despised ? |
vince73 17.12.2018 17:44 |
Having released the biggest grossing music biopic of all time, a fan oriented release like a Jazz 40th anniversary with outtakes demos and a lot of work to do by Brian & Roger was not going happen. They were touring and promoting a movie. It's easier to call a designer to make a new sixpence an a picturedisc, and a mug... and... nice stuff anyway. |
Star* 17.12.2018 17:48 |
Personally i love JAZZ and i remember when this album came out everyone was going wild about the "Grease" film that was out and Olivia newton John & John Travolta dominated the top 5. |
bradbobly 18.12.2018 15:08 |
The album that got me into Queen thanks to a school friend banging on and on about it to me. I am forever grateful and the album holds a special place to myself. Liked the Jazz album and Live Killers, just missed out on a ticket for Ally Pally in the days you had to q for tickets or send postal orders to Keith Prowse ticket agency ...lol happy days |
bradbobly 18.12.2018 15:08 |
The album that got me into Queen thanks to a school friend banging on and on about it to me. I am forever grateful and the album holds a special place to myself. Liked the Jazz album and Live Killers, just missed out on a ticket for Ally Pally in the days you had to q for tickets or send postal orders to Keith Prowse ticket agency ...lol happy days |
Star* 18.12.2018 15:25 |
Yeah those were the good old days when getting Queen tickets were very special. Harvey Goldsmith presents....... Queen ! |
Killer_queenIII 18.12.2018 16:23 |
I'm surprised they didn't so much celebrate the 40th anniversary of Don't Stop Me Now, but then again, they had a movie to make so go figure. I like to think their "Revisited" version in the soundtrack is as good as a 40th anniv tribute as any. Preferred that over the Long Lost Guitars version. |
dudeofqueen 18.12.2018 16:39 |
Re: >but the fan club are selling JAZZ merchandise at the moment so someone must love this album? The Fan Club has sold all sorts of tat over the years - milking the cash cow is a speciality. Christ knows where people get their disposable income from..... |
Jake12 18.12.2018 17:53 |
I find myself listening to Jazz more than any of the other Queen albums I really do think it’s a great album! Although I do have to admit the only song from the album that I’m not a big fan of is Mustapha |
Nathan H 18.12.2018 18:25 |
I like the cover art for Jazz as it's a lot better than most of their albums. The songs I love are Fat Bottomed Girls and If You Can't Beat Them. The songs I like are all the songs on the album except Let Me Entertain You and More Of That Jazz. Some of the other songs I do like but include parts I don't. But really the first two I mentioned are the ones I listen to regularly. They are two rockers that MUST be performed at every Queen show. |
Grantcdn1 19.12.2018 04:16 |
The songs are good but wished the drum sound and mixing was better....Dead on Time has some fantastic guitar....I liked that they still rocked....wish they didn’t ruin More of that Jazz with the album samples at the end |
Star* 19.12.2018 11:27 |
Yeah i agree Rogers drum style is subdued on "Jazz" to the usual heavy cymbals he used on previous albums. Best JAZZ tracks "If you cant beat them", "Dead on Time", "Mustapha" "Jealousy", "Dont stop me now" "In only seven days" Worst track has to be "More of that jazz" it is so boring and lazy.. |
Vocal harmony 19.12.2018 14:58 |
BJOU wrote: Yeah i agree Rogers drum style is subdued on "Jazz" to the usual heavy cymbals he used on previous albums. Best JAZZ tracks "If you cant beat them", "Dead on Time", "Mustapha" "Jealousy", "Dont stop me now" "In only seven days" Worst track has to be "More of that jazz" it is so boring and lazy..I'd add Bicycle Race and Leaving Home Ain't Easy to the good tracks list. I'm not sure I'd agree with your comment that Roger's drumming is subdued on Jazz. I think it's the opposite and he's playing has a huge amount of ferocity. I think what's missing is his usual big sound and most of the drums suffer from bad recording or production. |
Star* 19.12.2018 22:16 |
VH Your comment there was a bit hypocritical first you say Rogers drumming has a huge amount of ferocity then you say his big sound and most of the drum work suffer from bad recording well i am sure Roy Thomas Baker who produced the album would disagree. |
The Real Wizard 19.12.2018 23:02 |
Jazz is a very unfocused and uneven album. The band were rich (aka no longer hungry), exiled, and uncertain of what to do with their sound in the midst of new wave. There's some beautiful stuff on there, but they're just as often out in the weeds. Roy Thomas Baker's last big job was The Cars debut, and it still sounds like it was recorded yesterday. Any sonic issues with Jazz were almost certainly not his fault. His name may be on the cover, but it sounds like he's only in the room for 3 or 4 songs. The fact that they played 8 of 11 songs from NOTW on the NOTW tour and only 5 of 13 songs from Jazz on the Jazz tour pretty well indicates what they thought of each album at the time. So considering the band were in the midst of an identity crisis, it's pretty remarkable that they still managed to come up with three classics. |
mike hunt 20.12.2018 00:07 |
The way I see Jazz is It's not as good as the first 6 albums, but better than anything after The Game, Talking about Hot Space through The Miracle...Innuendo and MIH I like a bit more than Jazz...Overall, I like the album..The 3 hits are good, but also a big fan of Mustapha, Jealousy, Dreamers Ball, Dead On Time, Entertain You, and Leaving Home ain't easy...That leaves about 3 or 4 songs I dislike, which is a lot for a 70's Queen album... |
Star* 20.12.2018 08:54 |
Yeah JAZZ is more east to listen to than " Made in Heaven" or "Innuendo" and i would play it more. i would hardly say Queen were in an identity crisis they were just toying around with new sounds and styles but Freddie encouraged the boys to do that on every album, You have to remember we have a very intelligent band here and they always wanted to push the boundaries and be three steps ahead of everybody else. |
Holly2003 20.12.2018 10:04 |
Jazz, the coke album! I love almost everything about it except for the slightly 'muddy' sound and also Let Me Entertain You, which has always grated with me. I can see where they were going with it, but it's never been a favourite of mine. Aside from that, it's Queen in excess, where they're at their best and at their most infuriating to the press, so that's a plus. More of that Jazz, which everyone seems to hate, is actually good fun and typical Roger (compare with A Human Body). The song medley was probably made for DJs to promote the album. |
EMI2565 20.12.2018 13:26 |
VH I'M SORRY I JUST REALISED WHAT HYPOCRISY MEANS AND YOU WEREN'T BEING A HIPPO CRITIC WHEN YOU SAID THAT. ROGER BEING ON FINE FORM AND THE PRODUCTION SOUNDS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, SO SAYING HE WAS GREAT WHILST THE ALBUMEN DIDN'T SOUND TOO GRATE DOSENT MAKE YOU A HIPPOCRATIC OATH. SORRY. |
mike hunt 20.12.2018 13:40 |
yea, The album and tour sums up 70's Queen and shows the excess of where they were at...Especially Freddie. I think in 1978 I could see it as a disappointment, but now? Compare Jazz with Hot Space, The Works, Magic and The Miracle...Jazz easily is better than those albums..In all honesty It's better than Made In Heaven as well, even though I have a warm spot for MIH..Those 3 or 4 songs I dislike are Fun It, More Of That Jazz, If You Can't Beat Them and In Only Seven Days....The latter songs are ok I guess, but Falls short for me. |
Star* 20.12.2018 15:58 |
So you want to spam my user name again, with 14 posts, how sad are you.? You obviously have got a big problem in your sad pathetic life and want to spoil this interesting thread yet again. You are either vocal Harmony, Beta215 or Thistle. Get a grip and grow up. |
Vocal harmony 20.12.2018 16:15 |
BJOU, thanks for the reply! It saved me having to spend time replying to BJOU to explain just that, but I'll say this to BJOU just so he understands. Performance and production, while connected, are two separate things. Rogers playing on that album is brilliant, fiery very like his live work at the time, the way he was recorded and the production on a lot of those songs doesn't bring out the best in sound and clarity. Once again BJOU thank you! BJOU hope that clears that up for you?! |
Thistle 20.12.2018 16:32 |
BJOU wrote: So you want to spam my user name again, with 14 posts, how sad are you.? You obviously have got a big problem in your sad pathetic life and want to spoil this interesting thread yet again. You are either vocal Harmony, Beta215 or Thistle. Get a grip and grow up.Stop linking me to your fake account. Enough is enough. There are hundreds of members here, and many can't be arsed with you. Take your pick, but it ain't me. I've not conversed with you here for a couple of weeks. If you're still obsessed, it's you who has the problem. But I can assure you, I have one account here and it's this one. |
Star* 20.12.2018 16:59 |
THISTLE : Nothing fake about my account, and i apologise if you are not responsible but someone is. VOCAL HARMONY is my second culprit on here, she cannot stand a thread to go smoothly and has to get her beak in. This JAZZ discussion is my posting and it was going fine until VH wrecked it yet again. Weve had no trouble on here until that duplicate spamming of my username yet again. |
mike hunt 20.12.2018 17:56 |
oh, this crap again....Grow up already! by the way, I agree Roger's drumming Is probably at it's best on Jazz...The thin sound is the problem. |
Star* 20.12.2018 21:44 |
Mike Hunt So sorry this thread has been spoilt yet again by idiots who have to clog up a discussion with mindless spamming and copying my user name. We know its Vocal Harmony as she is a petty brat. Have you notice other opinions do not get any response from VH but when i post something she causes trouble. I must point this out to other users you now know who is the troll on Queenzone, Vocal Harmony, Now everyone back to the discussion on Jazz. |
Thistle 20.12.2018 23:00 |
For what it's worth, I don't think VH is trolling you. The comments about Roger's awesome drumming being muddied by poor production are valid, and in no way displays signs of hypocrisy or trolling. I also don't think it's VH with the fake account. All said, best forgetting about it. The topic is actually a good read |
Star* 21.12.2018 07:10 |
I am trying to get peoples views on the topic and i do not need people spoiling this topic with fake accounts it is childish and pointless. Vocal Harmony & Beta215 are the culprits, so please don not treat me as an idiot because i know those two are quite capable of anything on here. |
Vocal harmony 21.12.2018 08:38 |
BJOU wrote: I am trying to get peoples views on the topic and i do not need people spoiling this topic with fake accounts it is childish and pointless. Vocal Harmony & Beta215 are the culprits, so please don not treat me as an idiot because i know those two are quite capable of anything on here.since you've called me out in public, I will publicly say no it's not me |
dysan 21.12.2018 09:00 |
Jazz is notable as their last 'Classic' album - IE it closes their 'rock' chapter before they moved on to the big bad 80s. It's definitely 'lost' sounding and unfocused and surely going through the motions, but I love it. RE the number of songs that made the live set list - NOTW was made to be played live - stripped down and lacking the madness of the Jazz dense production. That said though, aside from WWRY and WATC, those big 'Jazz' songs have the same longevity in the catalogue. Live Killers definitely benefits from having those Jazz tunes on it. Perhaps not so NOTW tracks like GDML or SHA however enjoyable they were actually at the concerts. |
Star* 21.12.2018 12:37 |
I also noticed that "Leaving home ain't easy" was never performed live, if it had Freddie would have been awesome singing that! |
Star* 21.12.2018 12:39 |
VH Thank you for been so honest in telling me if was not you who duplicated my user name. Most appreciated. That just leaves the obvious choice Beta215. |