| RobbyBloodshed 28.11.2018 15:43 |
I thought this was pretty neat! I’m so glad to see new stuff surfacing more and more lately.... Link: link |
| Sebastian 28.11.2018 15:52 |
Frederick, indeed! |
| stevelondon20 28.11.2018 17:59 |
Great find! |
| Fredfan 28.11.2018 17:59 |
very cool- thanks! |
| Golden Salmon 28.11.2018 18:40 |
Sebastian wrote: Frederick, indeed!Sebastian redeemed! |
| Blackvy 28.11.2018 20:35 |
Great find! thanks for sharing :) |
| cmsdrums 28.11.2018 22:34 |
Golden Salmon wrote:‘ Frederick’ is also on his death certificate so it’s been known for many years that was his formal first name....but it’s almost an entertaining affliction to see Sebastian always use that instead of Freddie! :-)Sebastian wrote: Frederick, indeed!Sebastian redeemed! There are lots of people in the Queen world such as Tim Stafell, Mack, Jim Beach and many others that don’t really use their full or formal first name, and Freddie (or Fred as he would otherwise be called by friends) is one of those! |
| matt z 28.11.2018 23:06 |
Yes. Because he was forever known as Frederick Mercury. Interesting to note that his mother is left off the info. Simply scored "no" or n/a ? |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 28.11.2018 23:47 |
Sebastian wrote: Frederick, indeed!LOL |
| The Real Wizard 29.11.2018 07:48 |
Sebastian wrote: Frederick, indeed!WIN. |
| dysan 29.11.2018 08:10 |
With the current Windrush scandal over here, I'm not sure a funny 'Var ah yah pah-pers' joke would go down to well with out non-UK QZ crew. |
| oligneisti 29.11.2018 11:03 |
cmsdrums wrote:I didn't know he had started using a new name officially this early so that part is new. Also, I seem to recall someone claiming that he disliked being called Fred (though a lot of people around him have used that name while talking about him).Golden Salmon wrote:‘ Frederick’ is also on his death certificate so it’s been known for many years that was his formal first name....but it’s almost an entertaining affliction to see Sebastian always use that instead of Freddie! :-) There are lots of people in the Queen world such as Tim Stafell, Mack, Jim Beach and many others that don’t really use their full or formal first name, and Freddie (or Fred as he would otherwise be called by friends) is one of those!Sebastian wrote: Frederick, indeed!Sebastian redeemed! |
| Holly2003 29.11.2018 11:50 |
"Frederick" was probably an effort by his parents to Anglicise their kid's name to smooth his integration into a new society. Despite what official Queen sources claim, he was still using the name Freddie Bulsara in public as late as 1973. |
| Dr Magus 29.11.2018 12:19 |
Did people really need this document to know that 'Freddie' is short for 'Frederick'? |
| oligneisti 29.11.2018 12:28 |
Dr Magus wrote: Did people really need this document to know that 'Freddie' is short for 'Frederick'?But Freddie was not originally short for Frederick. It was a nickname. |
| matt z 29.11.2018 14:45 |
oligneisti wrote:+1Dr Magus wrote: Did people really need this document to know that 'Freddie' is short for 'Frederick'?But Freddie was not originally short for Frederick. It was a nickname. Just as if I went through customs and said my name was MATTY they'd ask "Ah, Matthew...two T's or one?" |
| Sebastian 29.11.2018 15:32 |
Dr Magus wrote: Did people really need this document to know that 'Freddie' is short for 'Frederick'?Considering what some people call me on the internet just because I say 'Frederick', yeah. The fact he's named Frederick on his death certificate and the contracts with Trident (as 'Frederick Bulsara') and out of Trident (as 'Frederick Mercury') isn't enough - they just moan and whine and call me names because I write 'Frederick' instead of 'Freddie'. |
| The Real Wizard 29.11.2018 18:15 |
Sebastian wrote:Internet bullies (just like real life bullies) don't like people who stand out from the crowd. They're easy prey, because they represent what they themselves want to be: interesting.Dr Magus wrote: Did people really need this document to know that 'Freddie' is short for 'Frederick'?Considering what some people call me on the internet just because I say 'Frederick', yeah. The fact he's named Frederick on his death certificate and the contracts with Trident (as 'Frederick Bulsara') and out of Trident (as 'Frederick Mercury') isn't enough - they just moan and whine and call me names because I write 'Frederick' instead of 'Freddie'. It's easier to break someone else down than to build oneself up. |
| Jeremy 29.11.2018 21:25 |
The Real Wizard wrote Internet bullies (just like real life bullies) don't like people who stand out from the crowd. They're easy prey, because they represent what they themselves want to be:It's why our beloved President Trump is getting so much undeserved flak. This is really a historic document and I confess I had not actually given much thought as to how he became a British citizen. Besides "Frederick", it also clears up the Farookh/Farrokh/Farok debate. That was a good one, too. |
| The Real Wizard 29.11.2018 22:38 |
Jeremy wrote:Your "beloved" president's disapproval rate is currently at 60%.The Real Wizard wrote Internet bullies (just like real life bullies) don't like people who stand out from the crowd. They're easy prey, because they represent what they themselves want to be:It's why our beloved President Trump is getting so much undeserved flak. link Also - leave politics out of music threads, please and thank you. |
| Wiley 30.11.2018 10:35 |
I'll always find it annoying that people call Freddie Frederick. It's just not the norm - nobody called him that. I still respect Sebastian for his insightful contributions to this forum and I've stopped calling those out as it's pointless and, I've since learned, he's factually correct. But everytime I read Frederick I feel the same as if someone had called him FREDDY. (Eeek!) That's my problem, though. Actually I find it funny that it's now a running joke (i.e. calling John Johnerick) |
| Sebastian 30.11.2018 12:11 |
'It's just not the norm' does not equal 'it's wrong'. The 'norm' was, for centuries, to hit and rape the woman you wanted, and/or to own her as property, that didn't make it right. The 'norm' has been, for ages, to elect corrupt politicians and to privilege the glorification of voluntary ignorance over doubt, research and inquiry. 'Freddie' is in the same category as 'Rog', 'Bri' and 'Jack': I don't see anything wrong with any of those, and I won't throw a fit if someone refers to them that way. It's just a matter of parallelism: either I call them all by shortened forms, or I call them all by the name as found on legal documents. It's not an obligation, it's a choice. A choice I'm happy to make. So, yes: Robert Plant and James Page (instead of Bobby and Jimmy), Stephen Howe, Andrew Gibb, Michael Jackson (rather than 'Mike' or 'Mick') and so on. Subverted in that, reportedly, Ray Charles was in fact 'Ray' (rather than 'Raymond') on his birth certificate. Likewise, presumably, 'John' Deacon and 'John' Lennon were both named 'John' and not 'Jonathan' ('John Harris', on the other hand, was indeed 'Jonathan'). By the way, the English singer who did the 'Let Me Live' demo back in '83 was indeed named 'Roderick'! For the same reason, I prefer sticking to actual names instead of nicknames: Philip Edney (not 'Spike'), John Brough (not 'Teddy Bear'), Saul Hudson (not 'Slash'), Stefani Germanotta (not 'Lady Gaga'). I don't mind people who had one birth name but changed it to something else: so I do refer to 'Elton John' as 'Elton John' and not 'Reginald Dwight' (or 'Reggie') - but that could potentially call into question my aforementioned chocies for 'Slash' and 'Lady Gaga'. Still, none of this is written on stone, so you can find me writing 'Bono', 'Sting' or 'Charlie Sheen' once in a while (though I try my best to refer to them as Paul Hewson, Gordon Sumner and Carlos Estévez, respectively), and that's absolutely fine - unlike some internet trolls, I won't throw a tantrum over that. In fact, my signature states that 'Bo Rhap' (not 'Bohemian Rhapsody') hasn't got 180 vox (not 'vocals'), which is true by the way - but I did it to save characters. I made another conscious choice: I'd rather keep 'Frederick' (not in small part to annoy those wankers who seem to then lose their minds - if they ever had minds to begin with) and shorten 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'vocals' instead. By the way, I seem to remember at least one instance of Roger (not Rog) having penned a letter to the Fan Club and spelling the shortened form of Frederick's name as 'Freddy'. So there! |
| Star* 30.11.2018 14:39 |
Melina Mercury to the close friends not Fred or Freddy. |
| matt z 30.11.2018 15:07 |
Oh God. ....u got it started. Must be a slow day for news. |
| emrabt 30.11.2018 16:36 |
What about Meatloaf? Marvin Aday? Meat loaf aday? Michael Aday? Meat Loaf? Lee Aday? Meat Loaf Lee Aday? |
| YourValentine 30.11.2018 21:06 |
Sebastian wrote: 'It's just not the norm' does not equal 'it's wrong'. The 'norm' was, for centuries, to hit and rape the woman you wanted, and/or to own her as property, that didn't make it right. The 'norm' has been, for ages, to elect corrupt politicians and to privilege the glorification of voluntary ignorance over doubt, research and inquiry. 'Freddie' is in the same category as 'Rog', 'Bri' and 'Jack': I don't see anything wrong with any of those, and I won't throw a fit if someone refers to them that way. It's just a matter of parallelism: either I call them all by shortened forms, or I call them all by the name as found on legal documents. It's not an obligation, it's a choice. A choice I'm happy to make. So, yes: Robert Plant and James Page (instead of Bobby and Jimmy), Stephen Howe, Andrew Gibb, Michael Jackson (rather than 'Mike' or 'Mick') and so on. Subverted in that, reportedly, Ray Charles was in fact 'Ray' (rather than 'Raymond') on his birth certificate. Likewise, presumably, 'John' Deacon and 'John' Lennon were both named 'John' and not 'Jonathan' ('John Harris', on the other hand, was indeed 'Jonathan'). By the way, the English singer who did the 'Let Me Live' demo back in '83 was indeed named 'Roderick'! For the same reason, I prefer sticking to actual names instead of nicknames: Philip Edney (not 'Spike'), John Brough (not 'Teddy Bear'), Saul Hudson (not 'Slash'), Stefani Germanotta (not 'Lady Gaga'). I don't mind people who had one birth name but changed it to something else: so I do refer to 'Elton John' as 'Elton John' and not 'Reginald Dwight' (or 'Reggie') - but that could potentially call into question my aforementioned chocies for 'Slash' and 'Lady Gaga'. Still, none of this is written on stone, so you can find me writing 'Bono', 'Sting' or 'Charlie Sheen' once in a while (though I try my best to refer to them as Paul Hewson, Gordon Sumner and Carlos Estévez, respectively), and that's absolutely fine - unlike some internet trolls, I won't throw a tantrum over that. In fact, my signature states that 'Bo Rhap' (not 'Bohemian Rhapsody') hasn't got 180 vox (not 'vocals'), which is true by the way - but I did it to save characters. I made another conscious choice: I'd rather keep 'Frederick' (not in small part to annoy those wankers who seem to then lose their minds - if they ever had minds to begin with) and shorten 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'vocals' instead. By the way, I seem to remember at least one instance of Roger (not Rog) having penned a letter to the Fan Club and spelling the shortened form of Frederick's name as 'Freddy'. So there!Nice post, Seb :-) |
| runner_70 30.11.2018 21:14 |
Wiley wrote: I'll always find it annoying that people call Freddie Frederick. It's just not the norm - nobody called him that. I still respect Sebastian for his insightful contributions to this forum and I've stopped calling those out as it's pointless and, I've since learned, he's factually correct. But everytime I read Frederick I feel the same as if someone had called him FREDDY. (Eeek!) That's my problem, though. Actually I find it funny that it's now a running joke (i.e. calling John Johnerick)Thes Sebastian guy wants to look clever by calling Freddie Frederick when NOBODY called him that not even his mother. He is just an attention whore. |
| runner_70 30.11.2018 21:17 |
Sebastian wrote: 'It's just not the norm' does not equal 'it's wrong'. The 'norm' was, for centuries, to hit and rape the woman you wanted, and/or to own her as property, that didn't make it right. The 'norm' has been, for ages, to elect corrupt politicians and to privilege the glorification of voluntary ignorance over doubt, research and inquiry. 'Freddie' is in the same category as 'Rog', 'Bri' and 'Jack': I don't see anything wrong with any of those, and I won't throw a fit if someone refers to them that way. It's just a matter of parallelism: either I call them all by shortened forms, or I call them all by the name as found on legal documents. It's not an obligation, it's a choice. A choice I'm happy to make. So, yes: Robert Plant and James Page (instead of Bobby and Jimmy), Stephen Howe, Andrew Gibb, Michael Jackson (rather than 'Mike' or 'Mick') and so on. Subverted in that, reportedly, Ray Charles was in fact 'Ray' (rather than 'Raymond') on his birth certificate. Likewise, presumably, 'John' Deacon and 'John' Lennon were both named 'John' and not 'Jonathan' ('John Harris', on the other hand, was indeed 'Jonathan'). By the way, the English singer who did the 'Let Me Live' demo back in '83 was indeed named 'Roderick'! For the same reason, I prefer sticking to actual names instead of nicknames: Philip Edney (not 'Spike'), John Brough (not 'Teddy Bear'), Saul Hudson (not 'Slash'), Stefani Germanotta (not 'Lady Gaga'). I don't mind people who had one birth name but changed it to something else: so I do refer to 'Elton John' as 'Elton John' and not 'Reginald Dwight' (or 'Reggie') - but that could potentially call into question my aforementioned chocies for 'Slash' and 'Lady Gaga'. Still, none of this is written on stone, so you can find me writing 'Bono', 'Sting' or 'Charlie Sheen' once in a while (though I try my best to refer to them as Paul Hewson, Gordon Sumner and Carlos Estévez, respectively), and that's absolutely fine - unlike some internet trolls, I won't throw a tantrum over that. In fact, my signature states that 'Bo Rhap' (not 'Bohemian Rhapsody') hasn't got 180 vox (not 'vocals'), which is true by the way - but I did it to save characters. I made another conscious choice: I'd rather keep 'Frederick' (not in small part to annoy those wankers who seem to then lose their minds - if they ever had minds to begin with) and shorten 'Bohemian Rhapsody' and 'vocals' instead. By the way, I seem to remember at least one instance of Roger (not Rog) having penned a letter to the Fan Club and spelling the shortened form of Frederick's name as 'Freddy'. So there!Did it ever come to your small mind that a person has a nickname because he likes it?? Or is it too much for your non existing intelligence? DO you call your friends (if you have any) also by their "official" name you idiot? |
| emrabt 30.11.2018 21:17 |
And he's stealing it from you! |
| oligneisti 30.11.2018 21:37 |
runner_70 wrote: Did it ever come to your small mind that a person has a nickname because he likes it?? Or is it too much for your non existing intelligence? DO you call your friends (if you have any) also by their "official" name you idiot?He has a preference. You don't have to like it but you can also just ignore it. I would never call Freddie Frederick but Sebastian has never tried to coerce me to use that name. Sebastian, on the other hand, has provided interesting information on Queen through the years and for that I am thankful. |
| Sebastian 30.11.2018 22:48 |
runner_70 wrote: Thes Sebastian guy wants to look clever by calling Freddie FrederickIt's got nothing to do with looking clever or not. I just choose to call him by his name, rather than the shortened form of his name. runner_70 wrote: when NOBODY called him that not even his mother.Not having ever witnessed a moment between Frederick and his mother, I've no idea. But then again, I'm sure at least a few people called him 'Frederick' at least once, namely whoever typed the Trident contract, the Neptune contract, the Trident severance, his naturalisation papers, his death certificate and Frederick himself. runner_70 wrote: He is just an attention whore.No, I'm not just that. I mean, of course I'm an attention whore, proud of it, but I'm also other things. For instance, I'm bald :) runner_70 wrote: Did it ever come to your small mind that a person has a nickname because he likes it??Of course, but, again, I'm not choosing to call them 'Frederick' or 'Robert' or 'James' based on what they like, but based on what I like. runner_70 wrote: Or is it too much for your non existing intelligence?If it were, then why bother writing this to me, if I wouldn't be able to understand it? runner_70 wrote: DO you call your friends (if you have any) also by their "official" name you idiot?I do. oligneisti wrote: He has a preference. You don't have to like it but you can also just ignore it.Exactly! oligneisti wrote: I would never call Freddie Frederick but Sebastian has never tried to coerce me to use that name.Unlike some people who have tried to coerce me to use 'Freddie' instead of 'Frederick'. |
| Star* 01.12.2018 09:41 |
Farrokh is what his mum called him, Freddie was just a name he used as a persona, |
| emrabt 01.12.2018 09:59 |
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| NickiP 01.12.2018 21:01 |
I just lurk here most of the time, and Seb’s knowledge is one of the reasons why. But his argument in the Frederick/Freddie argument ceases to hold water when you take a proper look at his signature, and the composer, or not, of Innuendo. |
| AlbaNo1 02.12.2018 10:02 |
In his message to the fan club in 1991, Freddie ends the recording by saying “This is Frederick Mercury signing off, bye, bye” |
| Sebastian 02.12.2018 19:33 |
NickiP wrote: But his argument in the Frederick/Freddie argument ceases to hold water when you take a proper look at his signatureA signature has nothing to do with one's official name. He could've chosen to initialise everything and, in that hypothetical case, that wouldn't mean his name was 'F'. NickiP wrote: and the composer, or not, of Innuendo.What's the connexion? |
| NickiP 02.12.2018 21:12 |
The connection is that you describe Roger as Rog... |
| Sebastian 02.12.2018 22:26 |
True. If I remember correctly, there's a character limit, so I had to shorten that one and others. If people can say 'Freddie and Roger' (and they can - there's absolutely nothing wrong with that), then 'Frederick and Rog' is also valid (or 'Rog and Frederick', which I'd personally prefer in that case). Same for Zeppelin: 'Jimmy and Robert' is valid, so is 'James and Bobby'. |
| Supersonic_Man89 03.12.2018 14:36 |
Can't believe people get wound up because somebody on a forum calls Freddie... Frederick. Like... how great can your life be if that's a problem that is causing you so much stress? |
| Star* 03.12.2018 15:14 |
Yep pathetic nitpicking Queen fans they are the worst. |
| matt z 03.12.2018 15:47 |
This reminds me of the confusion i create when referring to Jimmy Osterberg and Mickey Morganfield. |
| Sebastian 03.12.2018 17:10 |
Supersonic_Man89 wrote: Can't believe people get wound up because somebody on a forum calls Freddie... Frederick.Well... people have killed each other for centuries over who's got the best imaginary skydaddy. At least Frederick existed at some point... |