QueenZone discussion #1528320
Montreal vs Budapest?
| Penetration_Guru 23.11.2018 21:02 |
Having recently upgraded to something called "blu ray" and now invested in a 4k television, I was re-enjoying the Budapest concert earlier, but then realised that I never bothered to get the Montreal blu ray. My question for you lot is - On a purely picture quality basis, which is better? |
| Chief Mouse 23.11.2018 21:28 |
Budapest is not bad but some shots have missed focus and colour fringing. Montreal is better in this regard. But they altered the colours a lot. To remedy this, I made a re-grade a couple years ago. It also has a couple extra audio streams added. |
| Fireplace 23.11.2018 21:33 |
I'd say that both are well worth it, Montreal as a document of a band in its prime and Budapest as their swansong superior to Wembley in everything but completeness. |
| Penetration_Guru 23.11.2018 21:47 |
Sorry, I obviously wasn't clear. I do have a copy of Montreal (actually about 5), it's just none of them are the HD version. |
| Fireplace 23.11.2018 21:59 |
Still well worth it because Montreal was shot on real film which provides crystal clear picture and sound. It's definitely an upgrade form DVD. I also had about 5 versions on DVD and gladly dumped them for the Blu-Ray. |
| pittrek 23.11.2018 22:23 |
Budapest was shot on 35mm film, just like Montreal. The colours on the Montreal release are so BAD that I personally find it to be unwatchable. Check this video which I did back in 2014, in which I compared the Blu-ray release with the 2001 DVD : link |
| Jimmy Dean 24.11.2018 01:49 |
Montreal is the better one to watch re: picture quality... i'm hoping this one makes it to 4K soon. If you just got a Blu- Ray player - then Montreal Rocks is definitely a title you should get |
| Biggest Band On The Planet 24.11.2018 02:15 |
I think Montreal was shot on a format that was similar to Imax. |
| Jimmy Dean 24.11.2018 05:14 |
are there any other shows from the 80s (or prior) that look as good as Rock Montreal? not limited to Queen. any concert released on blu ray... maybe Last Waltz which i still have yet to see!? |
| bucsateflon 24.11.2018 08:49 |
both |
| Dr Magus 24.11.2018 10:37 |
Montreal has the best audio and visual of any music concert I've watched by any band. Astounding quality. |
| aristide1 24.11.2018 11:10 |
Ask Sebastian, he knows everything. Be sure to include zip code for Montreal and Budapest, otherwise he may not process your question. |
| . 24.11.2018 13:57 |
I think if your TV is set up correctly, the Montreal Blu-Ray looks just fine. |
| KevoM 24.11.2018 23:48 |
I actually prefer the HD visuals of Budapest. Looks great upscaled on my 4K Tv and i watch it often. The colours of the Montreal are just awful. Concert wise Busapest is miles better too. Its a stadium concert with the usual audience participation unlike Montreal with its lifeless crowd. Still worth having both on blu ray. Chief Mouse....Only a few hours ago I was googling 'Montreal in 4K' which was released in theatres 2 years ago and i wondered if you or anyone had fixed the poor colour grading on it. I was actually going to PM you about it, but you have answered my question...weird or what! I'd be interested to see it. |
| KevoM 24.11.2018 23:59 |
Jimmy Dean I can highly recommend the following on Blu ray (Also recommend a surround sound system that can play DTS-HDMA as blu ray is not just about visuals!) Eagles live in Melbourne Supertramp live in Paris 79 Hans Zimmer Live in Prague Mumford & Sons Road to Red Rocks Eric Clapton Albert Hall Talking Heads Stop Making Sense |
| Jimmy Dean 25.11.2018 03:59 |
Thanks, KevoM. My system can handle Atmos and DTS X - I was future proof and now... well, present proof! If you say Stop Making Sense is that good - I will get that shortly. Supertramp is a good maybe too. Not a fan of post 80s Eagles, can't stand Mumford (no offense if you like them, just me), Clapton is a good maybe too - but i would pick up the San Diego Blu Ray first - just for the performance. Hans Zimmer...eh.. no. |
| earwig 25.11.2018 16:52 |
I agree with all the posts and just to add... Montreal has a weird yellow tinge throughout, where as Budapest is too red in places. Chief Mouse’s regrades are AWESOME!! |
| The Real Wizard 25.11.2018 19:21 |
aristide1 wrote: Ask Sebastian, he knows everything. Be sure to include zip code for Montreal and Budapest, otherwise he may not process your question.Are you one of those guys who pairs the words "intellectual elite" out of sheer jealousy for the fact that experts have worked hard to become experts, while you've just worked hard at being a troll and a bottom feeder? |
| aristide1 26.11.2018 15:58 |
Sebastian's detail-focused hyper-systemizing cognitive style only give the impression of hard work and talent. In fact it's a sort of medical condition. A typical characteristic is his total lack of sense of humour. I can't be envious of someone who looks like this (Sebastian holding his well-documented book "Queen - From Smile to Laughter"). |
| Nitroboy 26.11.2018 16:31 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: I think Montreal was shot on a format that was similar to Imax.Nope, just regular 35mm. It was the first concert to be filmed entirely on 35mm though. The standard at the time (and many years after) was 16mm. Kurgan wrote: I think if your TV is set up correctly, the Montreal Blu-Ray looks just fine.I have to disagree with this. Montreal just looks awful. |
| Barry Durex 26.11.2018 16:35 |
Budapest has the video footage of the band members edited in, which spoils it I feel. |
| Toozeup 26.11.2018 21:14 |
Montreal is technically better but the colours have been desaturated to the point where it is almost black & white in places. I can only think this was a decision to make it look more modern (subjectively at best). It was shot on 35mm and assembled on eight-sprocket 65mm negative film which was then used to master 70mm prints for distribution on Saul Swimmer's MobileVision system (similar to IMAX). Budapest was shot on 35mm and assembled to a 35mm inter-positive which is the source for the Blu-ray. Essentially, it is a first generation copy of the negative (presumed lost). |
| . 27.11.2018 11:16 |
Nitroboy wrote:Of course we can all have our own opinion, but a TV set up correctly can make all the difference.Kurgan wrote: I think if your TV is set up correctly, the Montreal Blu-Ray looks just fine.I have to disagree with this. Montreal just looks awful. I never use the default settings, and spend a good deal of time creating a selection of screen profiles (there are a vast array of settings that can be changed within the menu on most modern TV's) This applies to other devices connected via HDMI, component, s-video and composite, some of which also have their own menus for personal screen preferences. As well as this I make sure my TV is set at 24p full screen for blu-ray film releases (not PAL or NTSC 16:9). I have Montreal on just about every format it was released on, and I stand by my comment that it looks just fine on blu-ray. I appreciate that we all have our own viewing preferences, but it's also worth using something like the Lucasfilm THX setup menu (available on some film releases) to help you get the most out of your TV. Incidentally there are some 35mm film cells of Budapest listed on ebay at the moment, I posted some links in the collecting forum. |
| KevoM 27.11.2018 15:02 |
I too have seen 'Montreal' (aka 'We Will Rock You') in all formats including a cinema version at a convention in Southport in the late 80s. Since then I have bought (and still have) every home video format that it was released on. Here's hoping for a 4K UHD release soon with improved color grading and HDR. Incidentally, did anyone ever see the 4k cinema release a few years back and was it an improvement? |
| . 27.11.2018 15:03 |
I must have been in that cinema too, I also remember seeing the Rainbow film and a pre-release version of Highlander at the cinema during conventions. |
| Chief Mouse 27.11.2018 16:01 |
KevoM wrote: Incidentally, did anyone ever see the 4k cinema release a few years back and was it an improvement?It looked exactly the same. |
| KevoM 27.11.2018 23:14 |
I tell a lie, i missed out on the laser disk and HD-DVD version of Montreal (i think it was released in these formats?) Never got into LD and my HD-DVDs are now in my mother's loft! |
| . 28.11.2018 11:01 |
I never had an HD DVD player, I wonder how that release compares to the blu-ray. Pretty much the same I guess. |
| Iron Butterfly 28.11.2018 18:11 |
Oh gosh. This is tough. I think I'm going to go with Budapest. I have a soft spot for the mid 80s era of Queen. |
| . 07.12.2018 12:45 |
I posted this in another thread, but though it might be of interest here. This is a raw LOW RES scan I have produced from a 35mm cinema reel cell. link |
| The Fairy King 07.12.2018 14:29 |
Kurgan wrote: I posted this in another thread, but though it might be of interest here. This is a raw LOW RES scan I have produced from a 35mm cinema reel cell. linkFuck, that looks amazing. |
| Q2 07.12.2018 14:35 |
Why is it not possible to have Wembley in blu ray? |
| aristide1 07.12.2018 14:42 |
Frigyes Merkur - the last king of Hungary. |
| pittrek 07.12.2018 15:03 |
Kurgan wrote: I posted this in another thread, but though it might be of interest here. This is a raw LOW RES scan I have produced from a 35mm cinema reel cell. linkHm, great colors, the aspect ratio looks correct, do you have the full movie or just cells? |
| pittrek 07.12.2018 15:04 |
Q2 wrote: Why is it not possible to have Wembley in blu ray?Because it was shot on PAL SD video. You can't get "real" HD out of it, but they still could upscale it, QPL released a few upscaled Blu-rays and they don't look that bad |
| Nitroboy 11.12.2018 03:06 |
Kurgan wrote: I posted this in another thread, but though it might be of interest here. This is a raw LOW RES scan I have produced from a 35mm cinema reel cell. linkI saw the Ebay listings, and they all looked fake to me. |
| . 11.12.2018 09:47 |
Nitroboy wrote: I saw the Ebay listings, and they all looked fake to me.I'm intrigued, how exactly would you fake a high quality 35mm cinema reel complete with optical soundtrack? |
