QueenZone discussion #1527996

anadamfan wrote: I found this Blog on Twitter, originally published in „Classic Rock“. I think it’s still as true as in 2014 and I can’t say it better myself. Some of you should read it very carefully. It sounds, as if the author is reading on Queen boards. ;-) Blog: Why Adam Lambert is the perfect man for Queen By Stephen Graves June 27, 2014 Classic Rock What's with all the hostility? Queen and Adam Lambert are made for each other Queen are back on the road, with American Idol runner-up Adam Lambert stepping into Freddie Mercury’s stiletto heels to belt out the band’s hits. See them in concert – I have – and it’s clear that Lambert belongs with Queen. He’s got an astonishing voice, he inhabits the band’s material while putting his own spin on it, and he has great chemistry with Brian May and Roger Taylor on stage. So why are some fans fuming? Thou Shalt Not Worship False Idols Go on Facebook or the Queen forums, and you’re greeted with a torrent of abuse. Lambert’s a manufactured pop performer, they say, riding the coat tails of an iconic rock band to success – and desecrating the memory of Freddie Mercury in the process. They couldn’t be more wrong. For one thing, Queen isn’t the first band to change its line-up; it’s not even the first to do so in the wake of a tragic loss. AC/DC wasted no time in replacing Bon Scott with Brian Johnson; Alice In Chains has enjoyed critical and commercial success in the wake of Layne Staley’s death. Ah, but Brian Johnson and William DuVall and Zakk Wylde are authentic musicians, say the disgruntled fans. They worked their way up the old fashioned way, instead of whoring themselves out to a reality show. Queen fans who’ve had to suffer through West End musicals and 5ive covers may have a conniption at the words “American Idol,” but times have changed since the early days of the talent shows. The acts who get through to the finals these days aren’t starry-eyed dreamers; they’re professional musicians looking for a big break. Before appearing in Idol,** **Lambert trod the boards in musical theatre for a decade, performed in bands and worked as a session musician – just like, say, a pre-AC/DC Brian Johnson, who in 1970 could be found playing songs from the musical Hair on the cabaret circuit. The Great Pretender Of course, Freddie Mercury casts a long shadow. The passage of time has only cemented his place as one of the great frontmen of rock – but it’s also caused fans’ attitudes to harden, convincing them that Mercury is irreplaceable. Time also colours our memories of other acts who’ve replaced beloved members. We tend to forget that AC/DC came in for a lot of stick for hiring Brian Johnson – and would’ve come in for even more if Twitter had been a thing in 1980. But nine successful albums later, hindsight paints it as just one more chapter in the band’s history. To younger fans who never saw Freddie Mercury live, he’s been elevated to iconic status; replacing him seems as absurd as finding someone to fill in for Hendrix or Cobain. To older fans, the idea that some young upstart could possibly compete with their cherished memories of the band is unthinkable. That, I think, is why some vocal fans demand that Queen give Lambert the boot and reunite with former frontman Paul Rodgers. He’s a proper rocker with a pedigree, they say. He’s from the right generation; older fans feel more comfortable with one of their peers up there on stage. Never mind that Rodgers always seemed uncomfortable with Queen’s flights of fancy; you can’t picture him draped over a chaise longue, vamping through Killer Queen as Lambert does. Even when Freddie was singing Queen’s hardest rockers, he did so with a knowing wink – and it’s that same seam of camp that Lambert taps into. He’s not imitating Mercury, but he’s definitely in the same orbit. Maybe it’s time for a miracle The reason that Queen has taken so long to find a suitable replacement for Freddie is simple: you need a performer with a majestic voice, magisterial stage presence and that theatrical sensibility. Trouble is, performers with that kind of talent are usually big names in their own right. Matt Bellamy, George Michael, Lady Gaga – they either have bands of their own, or thriving solo careers. Put simply, they don’t need Queen. Neither does Lambert, really. His last album shot to #1 in the US charts, his tours have brought in millions – and his career’s just taking off. That Queen found an artist with that checklist of skills, who’s prepared to hook up with a pair of ageing rockers out of love for their material, is nothing short of miraculous. Keep Yourself Alive Lambert’s only performing the band’s hits, goes the complaint; he’s a karaoke act. And it’s true that AC/DC plunged straight into the studio with Brian Johnson – and came out with Back in Black, one of the greatest rock albums of all time. Queen’s more cautious approach is just as valid – but if they don’t get Lambert in the studio, they risk being seen as a tribute act to their own glory days. I hope they do record an album with Lambert. Watching him on stage – pouring himself into the songs, hitting the high notes, larking around with Brian May – you can’t help but feel he’s given the band a second wind. It’s a shame that some old farts can’t see that. If you hate the idea of a band moving on, that’s fair enough. Your albums aren’t going anywhere; you can hold on to your memories of past concerts. But don’t feel that your fandom makes you the custodian of the band’s legacy, and don’t ever think that you’re entitled to make demands of those musicians because you saw them back in the day. A band isn’t a democracy; this one’s a monarchy, and it’s found its heir. Long live the Queen. link: link

SweetCaroline wrote: My problem with the blog is this: “Adam Lambert stepping into Freddie Mercury’s stiletto heels.” I have never seen footage of Freddie in stiletto heels. I have only seen him performing barefoot or in his signature white sneakers. David Bowie is the one with the androgynous costumes with fringes and 3 inch shimmery heels.

SweetCaroline wrote: My problem with the blog is this: “Adam Lambert stepping into Freddie Mercury’s stiletto heels.” I have never seen footage of Freddie in stiletto heels. I have only seen him performing barefoot or in his signature white sneakers. David Bowie is the one with the androgynous costumes with fringes and 3 inch shimmery heels.

SweetCaroline wrote: anadamfan, that’s right. That’s why I don’t consider Adam a Freddie imitator or clone. He has his own glam rock style which is probably a little bit Freddie, David, Michael and even Elvis, all rolled up ultimately into a unique Adam! ; - )

MisterCosmicc wrote: Classic Rock also claims that Barbara Valentin is Freddie's former lover, that Paul Prenter was Freddie's lover, that Freddie has four extra teeth, that Freddie brought Princess Diana out to a gay club, etc... etc... etc.

princetom wrote: thing is: as long as the both of remaining "queen" don't record any studio-songs with AL, the latter won't have a chance to prove his talent. simple as that.

SweetCaroline wrote: Songwriting isn’t the only measure of talent! Freddie, why did you have to be so damn perfect?

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Classic Rock also claims that Barbara Valentin is Freddie's former lover, that Paul Prenter was Freddie's lover, that Freddie has four extra teeth, that Freddie brought Princess Diana out to a gay club, etc... etc... etc.

I've read a lot through the years by CR that was written about many artists and bands, I don't remember reading any of that. That would be disappointing if what you say is true because I hate tabloid style crap.

SweetCaroline wrote: Songwriting isn’t the only measure of talent! Freddie, why did you have to be so damn perfect?

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Classic Rock also claims that Barbara Valentin is Freddie's former lover, that Paul Prenter was Freddie's lover, that Freddie has four extra teeth, that Freddie brought Princess Diana out to a gay club, etc... etc... etc.

I've read a lot through the years by CR that was written about many artists and bands, I don't remember reading any of that. That would be disappointing if what you say is true because I hate tabloid style crap.

The past year on their articles. It's as if they completely go with whatever news is going on. It used to be a good source, but now it is like tabloid crap.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Songwriting isn’t the only measure of talent! Freddie, why did you have to be so damn perfect?

Songwriting is more important than live performances.

SweetCaroline wrote: The GFG — Gift From God link

SweetCaroline wrote: This is my favorite Adam interview — such a super nice guy (about Freddie) ... link

SweetCaroline wrote: This is my favorite Adam interview — such a super nice guy (about Freddie) ... link

SweetCaroline wrote: Gift From God

SweetCaroline wrote: Oh shut up, icy. No one is bigging him up. He doesn’t need it.

SweetCaroline wrote: Oh shut up, icy. No one is bigging him up. He doesn’t need it.

SweetCaroline wrote: This Friday, Nov. 23, is the 9th anniversary of “For Your Entertainment”... link

SweetCaroline wrote: Can you read? This thread is about Adam and Queen. Yes, I know about the sad day on November 24.

SweetCaroline wrote: I’m referring to the day Freddie died 27 years ago.

SweetCaroline wrote: Brancelli ..... link

Brancelli wrote: I think it's great Adam got the opportunity to sing with Queen, but that's not the type of rock he sings. He just pales in comparison. This is where Adam excels in terms of a rock song (which I don't think he can sing anymore, the last 3 minutes or so, anyway). link I apologize for posting links to Adam like Caroline, but I don't think one can come away with thinking Adam is a bad singer after listening to these (Caroline's included). Might not be for Queen, but a great singer.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Can you read? This thread is about Adam and Queen. Yes, I know about the sad day on November 24.

... You have no shame. I was wonder if a Glambert would post about the anniversary of AL's first album and AL being perfect here on QZ, the best for Brian and Roger, but to do it so close to the 24th is shameful. Give your head a shake.

oligneisti wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: Can you read? This thread is about Adam and Queen. Yes, I know about the sad day on November 24.

... You have no shame. I was wonder if a Glambert would post about the anniversary of AL's first album and AL being perfect here on QZ, the best for Brian and Roger, but to do it so close to the 24th is shameful. Give your head a shake.

So, how many days are we supposed to observe silence about Adam Lambert around this time of year? Three days? A Week? Is it just before the anniversary or should we also pretend that he doesn't exist in the days following? I know the 24th is a day many of us remember and have strong feelings associated with but trying to extend it as if it is a holy time that we should spend reflecting on Freddie is nonsense. Like Adam or hate Adam, I just don't care. Just move on. Don't let it control your life.

Brancelli wrote: Is touring with Queen a detriment to Adam’s voice, due to the difficulty of the catalog? I think Adam perhaps has lost a bit the last couple of years. I don’t think he can hit the notes he could 5 years ago. Still a very solid singer, but can he still sing something like Sleepwalker (Russia version) or A Change is Gonna Come (American Idol)? I don’t think he can. Hope I’m wrong. I do think he could still sing something like Soaked very well though.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Brancelli wrote: Is touring with Queen a detriment to Adam’s voice, due to the difficulty of the catalog? I think Adam perhaps has lost a bit the last couple of years. I don’t think he can hit the notes he could 5 years ago. Still a very solid singer, but can he still sing something like Sleepwalker (Russia version) or A Change is Gonna Come (American Idol)? I don’t think he can. Hope I’m wrong. I do think he could still sing something like Soaked very well though.

There are times he hold back. I really think he did hold back with a recent version of WWTLF, then again, he wasn't singing in onstage with Brian and Roger. He can still hit the notes, but I think he holds back every now and then as not to risk damaging his vocal cords.

SweetCaroline wrote: I posted that Australia interview — not to big him up — God, I am so sick of hearing that crap from icy and others — but for the exact opposite purpose to show how very admiring and respectful Adam is of Freddie. Adam has never said anything offensive about Freddie on or off the stage. I can’t believe that after 6 years there are still people bitching about the collaboration. If B and R had wanted a Freddie sound alike to tour with, it probably would have been Marc. Maybe they will still do that, but they wanted Adam for his stage presence, versatility, dependability, congeniality and, yes, for his very special and amazing voice.

Liliane wrote: I don’t get the whole bigging up either? In case you might have missed it Icy, this is the QAL section so it is only natural to post positive articles, tweets, reviews...about QAL and Adam Lambert or to discuss QAL and Adam Lambert. You have plenty of sections on this board where you can talk and discuss Freddie. If you want to discuss Freddie here in relation to Adam or QAL, sure please go ahead. I don’t understand you getting mad about people posting about QAL and Adam on a QAL and Adam board. If anything, you are being off-topic, not Sweetcaroline. It just defies common sense to me. I get that Freddie is very important to you. And that to you, he is a legend, inspiring, talented...And I do agree with you about it. Freddie was really special. But it does not mean that the whole world has to agree with you, feel the way you do or act the way you want. Just so you understand, Adam is as inspiring, talented and special to us his fans as Freddie is to you. And if you don’t feel the same way about Adam, so be it. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Please stop chastising or impose on SweetCaroline what she can or cannot post. It is frankly getting ridiculous.

Liliane wrote: Sorry for all these posts, I can’t seem to figure out how to quote posts. Interesting discussion between anadamfan and Brancelli, unfortunately I cannot click on the links since I am at work but will check out later. I actually prefer Adam’s voice now than during his pre-idol, idol and FYE (first album) phase. I prefer how it sounds lower and richer. He is also more nuanced and subtle in his interpretation. I am not sure if he just chooses to no longer to sing as high with as many vocal runs or that he is no longer able to...it would be interesting to see once he has a new album out. I thought he sounded totally different on his latest solo album (the original high) versus his first two albums. Adam is like a chamaleon and I really like that in an artist. You are never sure what you are going to get until you listen to his new album.

rockchic65 wrote:

Liliane wrote: Sorry for all these posts, I can’t seem to figure out how to quote posts. Interesting discussion between anadamfan and Brancelli, unfortunately I cannot click on the links since I am at work but will check out later. I actually prefer Adam’s voice now than during his pre-idol, idol and FYE (first album) phase. I prefer how it sounds lower and richer. He is also more nuanced and subtle in his interpretation. I am not sure if he just chooses to no longer to sing as high with as many vocal runs or that he is no longer able to...it would be interesting to see once he has a new album out. I thought he sounded totally different on his latest solo album (the original high) versus his first two albums. Adam is like a chamaleon and I really like that in an artist. You are never sure what you are going to get until you listen to his new album.

I'm pretty sure it's a choice he still does throw the odd silly high note in every now and then just not all the time like he used to. His lower register has developed and he does use it more than previously. The Original High was definitely a stylistic choice and he's said his new music won't be anything like that. I suspect it was to sound more current, the kind of breathy falsetto type singing everyone seems to be doing lately. To use the quote function just move along to the right from the date/time stamp and hover the cursor, you should see little lines appear, the first is edit, second one is to reply and the third is to reply with original quote.

Iron Butterfly wrote: I'm relieved AL doesn't overdo it as much as he once did. Because sometimes it was...painful ;-). He's learned to hold back, and from where and how I look at it, that's the biggest improvement of all.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I'm relieved AL doesn't overdo it as much as he once did. Because sometimes it was...painful ;-). He's learned to hold back, and from where and how I look at it, that's the biggest improvement of all.

Yeah I actually really like how he sings now, I wouldn't mind the odd insane vocal run on his solo tour just for fun but not all the time on nearly every song, it loses it's wow factor if you do it all the time, maybe that's why he's toned it down a lot. Plus it can't be great for your voice to do that as much as he used to.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I'm relieved AL doesn't overdo it as much as he once did. Because sometimes it was...painful ;-). He's learned to hold back, and from where and how I look at it, that's the biggest improvement of all.

Yeah I actually really like how he sings now, I wouldn't mind the odd insane vocal run on his solo tour just for fun but not all the time on nearly every song, it loses it's wow factor if you do it all the time, maybe that's why he's toned it down a lot. Plus it can't be great for your voice to do that as much as he used to.

Liliane wrote: I don’t get the whole bigging up either? In case you might have missed it Icy, this is the QAL section so it is only natural to post positive articles, tweets, reviews...about QAL and Adam Lambert or to discuss QAL and Adam Lambert. You have plenty of sections on this board where you can talk and discuss Freddie. If you want to discuss Freddie here in relation to Adam or QAL, sure please go ahead. I don’t understand you getting mad about people posting about QAL and Adam on a QAL and Adam board. If anything, you are being off-topic, not Sweetcaroline. It just defies common sense to me. I get that Freddie is very important to you. And that to you, he is a legend, inspiring, talented...And I do agree with you about it. Freddie was really special. But it does not mean that the whole world has to agree with you, feel the way you do or act the way you want. Just so you understand, Adam is as inspiring, talented and special to us his fans as Freddie is to you. And if you don’t feel the same way about Adam, so be it. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Please stop chastising or impose on SweetCaroline what she can or cannot post. It is frankly getting ridiculous.

Holly2003 wrote:

Liliane wrote: I don’t get the whole bigging up either? In case you might have missed it Icy, this is the QAL section so it is only natural to post positive articles, tweets, reviews...about QAL and Adam Lambert or to discuss QAL and Adam Lambert. You have plenty of sections on this board where you can talk and discuss Freddie. If you want to discuss Freddie here in relation to Adam or QAL, sure please go ahead. I don’t understand you getting mad about people posting about QAL and Adam on a QAL and Adam board. If anything, you are being off-topic, not Sweetcaroline. It just defies common sense to me. I get that Freddie is very important to you. And that to you, he is a legend, inspiring, talented...And I do agree with you about it. Freddie was really special. But it does not mean that the whole world has to agree with you, feel the way you do or act the way you want. Just so you understand, Adam is as inspiring, talented and special to us his fans as Freddie is to you. And if you don’t feel the same way about Adam, so be it. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Please stop chastising or impose on SweetCaroline what she can or cannot post. It is frankly getting ridiculous.

As far as I can tell, that's unfair and inaccurate. Lambert fans *here* demonstrate a tribal, cult-like defence of sweetcaroline, who is *here* a nasty piece of work. I wonder how long it will take her to try to hurt some one again by reminding them that Fred's dead, or by mentioning their ill parents? Incidentally, this is not the "QAL section" its a forum for discussion and not a place for reposting tweets, reviews, etc like verbal diarrhoea. If any Queen fan did this on the Queen forums they would hear about it from other forum members but lambert fans argue that sweetcarlolines lambert tourettes is somehow okay. She is a troll who abuses the forum's absence of moderation.

SweetCaroline wrote: I didn’t make it up that Freddie was with every guy on the planet. I read those exact words somewhere. Of course it was a metaphor. The same thing was implied in the movie. It is possible that Adam is doing or has done the same thing. I hope he doesn’t endanger his health like Freddie did and is being more careful.

anadamfan wrote:

Holly2003 wrote:

Liliane wrote: I don’t get the whole bigging up either? In case you might have missed it Icy, this is the QAL section so it is only natural to post positive articles, tweets, reviews...about QAL and Adam Lambert or to discuss QAL and Adam Lambert. You have plenty of sections on this board where you can talk and discuss Freddie. If you want to discuss Freddie here in relation to Adam or QAL, sure please go ahead. I don’t understand you getting mad about people posting about QAL and Adam on a QAL and Adam board. If anything, you are being off-topic, not Sweetcaroline. It just defies common sense to me. I get that Freddie is very important to you. And that to you, he is a legend, inspiring, talented...And I do agree with you about it. Freddie was really special. But it does not mean that the whole world has to agree with you, feel the way you do or act the way you want. Just so you understand, Adam is as inspiring, talented and special to us his fans as Freddie is to you. And if you don’t feel the same way about Adam, so be it. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Please stop chastising or impose on SweetCaroline what she can or cannot post. It is frankly getting ridiculous.

As far as I can tell, that's unfair and inaccurate. Lambert fans *here* demonstrate a tribal, cult-like defence of sweetcaroline, who is *here* a nasty piece of work. I wonder how long it will take her to try to hurt some one again by reminding them that Fred's dead, or by mentioning their ill parents? Incidentally, this is not the "QAL section" its a forum for discussion and not a place for reposting tweets, reviews, etc like verbal diarrhoea. If any Queen fan did this on the Queen forums they would hear about it from other forum members but lambert fans argue that sweetcarlolines lambert tourettes is somehow okay. She is a troll who abuses the forum's absence of moderation.

I‘m not sure, if you mean me as well. I did speak up at one point last week. My intention was not to defend the poster SweetCaroline. I see, that some of her posts are not OK. But she does post about Adam or Queen. I found it baffling, that the poster IronButterfly is apparently never criticized by “Queen-fans“. I think that poster’s comments very seldom add anything to a topic. At least not here. It‘s just a repeat of the repeat of the poster‘s criticism towards SweetCaroline. I haven’t been here for too long. But from what I read on these threads, it’s the combination of these two posters, that‘s responsible for a lot of crap on here. But only one is blamed for it. I find that unfair, so I spoke up. I don’t think one of them behaves better than the other.

SweetCaroline wrote: Holly, so you approve of the non-stop Adam hater trolls (pages and pages of them) but condemn the posts of the people who love him (I am NOT a troll)! I am a fan of both Adam and the magnificent Queen shows he has been so happy and fortunate to share with music legends, Brian May and Roger Taylor!

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy/IronButterfly knows I have been empathetic to her when her dog died and also with regard to her ailing parents. She condemns me when I mention Freddie’s death even though she knows I have been a widow since 1973 when my son was 2 years old and my daughter was 2 weeks old. She knows I am a caring, empathetic person but thinks only she has suffered loss. When I call out her nasty remarks about Adam, she retaliates by painting me as the nasty one. I believe it is called projection! Whatever! In spite of the hard things I have been through, I am a happy, positive person and feel sorry for those who are not.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote: I‘m not sure, if you mean me as well. I did speak up at one point last week. My intention was not to defend the poster SweetCaroline. I see, that some of her posts are not OK. But she does post about Adam or Queen. I found it baffling, that the poster IronButterfly is apparently never criticized by “Queen-fans“. I think that poster’s comments very seldom add anything to a topic. At least not here. It‘s just a repeat of the repeat of the poster‘s criticism towards SweetCaroline. I haven’t been here for too long. But from what I read on these threads, it’s the combination of these two posters, that‘s responsible for a lot of crap on here. But only one is blamed for it. I find that unfair, so I spoke up. I don’t think one of them behaves better than the other.

Nah, girl. You slipped. You are another one who comes here to ream me out, defend AL and sweetcaroline. You made that clear days ago. No Glambert think sweetcaroline can do no wrong and add to her pity party. No wonder why she can't admit to doing and being wrong. She's only year cause she's banned from QOL until next May. I'm sick and tired of the lies being said about me, and even dragging my ill parents into her twisted agendas. Obviously, you are on her side. When the hell does she post about Queen? Every blue moon? The dmb assed comparsions that she makes, Freddie's and AL's leg length just recently. And you come here saying I add nothing? The irony is mind boggling. Have I come across you before other than here?

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote: I‘m not sure, if you mean me as well. I did speak up at one point last week. My intention was not to defend the poster SweetCaroline. I see, that some of her posts are not OK. But she does post about Adam or Queen. I found it baffling, that the poster IronButterfly is apparently never criticized by “Queen-fans“. I think that poster’s comments very seldom add anything to a topic. At least not here. It‘s just a repeat of the repeat of the poster‘s criticism towards SweetCaroline. I haven’t been here for too long. But from what I read on these threads, it’s the combination of these two posters, that‘s responsible for a lot of crap on here. But only one is blamed for it. I find that unfair, so I spoke up. I don’t think one of them behaves better than the other.

Nah, girl. You slipped. You are another one who comes here to ream me out, defend AL and sweetcaroline. You made that clear days ago. No Glambert think sweetcaroline can do no wrong and add to her pity party. No wonder why she can't admit to doing and being wrong. She's only year cause she's banned from QOL until next May. I'm sick and tired of the lies being said about me, and even dragging my ill parents into her twisted agendas. Obviously, you are on her side. When the hell does she post about Queen? Every blue moon? The dmb assed comparsions that she makes, Freddie's and AL's leg length just recently. And you come here saying I add nothing? The irony is mind boggling. Have I come across you before other than here?

You two go on fighting on every topic I opened in this section for pages. There is actually no chance to see, if a few of your posts might add something. Let’s say, I don’t remember, coming across one. I stated my opinion this time and last week. I think both of you must be mad. I‘m not on this board to read about the differences between two woman and the history, that you might have. You seem to suffer under some kind of paranoia. I didn’t come here, because of you. You are saying, other Adam fans did the same as me? Did it ever occur to you, that sensible people might find the ongoing posts between the two of you extremly dumb and worthless? I‘ve seen and posted in several forums. But I can’t remember two people so thick, that they don’t realize, that they are tormenting a whole part of a forum. I opened two threads. Both of them are full of your drivel. Don’t start again pointing your finger on the other one. It’s both of you. You’re not even worth more of my time. Sorry, if that has been offensive, but that’s my opinion.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote: I‘m not sure, if you mean me as well. I did speak up at one point last week. My intention was not to defend the poster SweetCaroline. I see, that some of her posts are not OK. But she does post about Adam or Queen. I found it baffling, that the poster IronButterfly is apparently never criticized by “Queen-fans“. I think that poster’s comments very seldom add anything to a topic. At least not here. It‘s just a repeat of the repeat of the poster‘s criticism towards SweetCaroline. I haven’t been here for too long. But from what I read on these threads, it’s the combination of these two posters, that‘s responsible for a lot of crap on here. But only one is blamed for it. I find that unfair, so I spoke up. I don’t think one of them behaves better than the other.

Nah, girl. You slipped. You are another one who comes here to ream me out, defend AL and sweetcaroline. You made that clear days ago. No Glambert think sweetcaroline can do no wrong and add to her pity party. No wonder why she can't admit to doing and being wrong. She's only year cause she's banned from QOL until next May. I'm sick and tired of the lies being said about me, and even dragging my ill parents into her twisted agendas. Obviously, you are on her side. When the hell does she post about Queen? Every blue moon? The dmb assed comparsions that she makes, Freddie's and AL's leg length just recently. And you come here saying I add nothing? The irony is mind boggling. Have I come across you before other than here?

You two go on fighting on every topic I opened in this section for pages. There is actually no chance to see, if a few of your posts might add something. Let’s say, I don’t remember, coming across one. I stated my opinion this time and last week. I think both of you must be mad. I‘m not on this board to read about the differences between two woman and the history, that you might have. You seem to suffer under some kind of paranoia. I didn’t come here, because of you. You are saying, other Adam fans did the same as me? Did it ever occur to you, that sensible people might find the ongoing posts between the two of you extremly dumb and worthless? I‘ve seen and posted in several forums. But I can’t remember two people so thick, that they don’t realize, that they are tormenting a whole part of a forum. I opened two threads. Both of them are full of your drivel. Don’t start again pointing your finger on the other one. It’s both of you. You’re not even worth more of my time. Sorry, if that has been offensive, but that’s my opinion.

No, I don't suffer from some sort of paranoia. Thanks *sarcasm* for another load of crap you want to throw my way. A bit too obvious why you are here by now.

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote: I‘m not sure, if you mean me as well. I did speak up at one point last week. My intention was not to defend the poster SweetCaroline. I see, that some of her posts are not OK. But she does post about Adam or Queen. I found it baffling, that the poster IronButterfly is apparently never criticized by “Queen-fans“. I think that poster’s comments very seldom add anything to a topic. At least not here. It‘s just a repeat of the repeat of the poster‘s criticism towards SweetCaroline. I haven’t been here for too long. But from what I read on these threads, it’s the combination of these two posters, that‘s responsible for a lot of crap on here. But only one is blamed for it. I find that unfair, so I spoke up. I don’t think one of them behaves better than the other.

Nah, girl. You slipped. You are another one who comes here to ream me out, defend AL and sweetcaroline. You made that clear days ago. No Glambert think sweetcaroline can do no wrong and add to her pity party. No wonder why she can't admit to doing and being wrong. She's only year cause she's banned from QOL until next May. I'm sick and tired of the lies being said about me, and even dragging my ill parents into her twisted agendas. Obviously, you are on her side. When the hell does she post about Queen? Every blue moon? The dmb assed comparsions that she makes, Freddie's and AL's leg length just recently. And you come here saying I add nothing? The irony is mind boggling. Have I come across you before other than here?

You two go on fighting on every topic I opened in this section for pages. There is actually no chance to see, if a few of your posts might add something. Let’s say, I don’t remember, coming across one. I stated my opinion this time and last week. I think both of you must be mad. I‘m not on this board to read about the differences between two woman and the history, that you might have. You seem to suffer under some kind of paranoia. I didn’t come here, because of you. You are saying, other Adam fans did the same as me? Did it ever occur to you, that sensible people might find the ongoing posts between the two of you extremly dumb and worthless? I‘ve seen and posted in several forums. But I can’t remember two people so thick, that they don’t realize, that they are tormenting a whole part of a forum. I opened two threads. Both of them are full of your drivel. Don’t start again pointing your finger on the other one. It’s both of you. You’re not even worth more of my time. Sorry, if that has been offensive, but that’s my opinion.

No, I don't suffer from some sort of paranoia. Thanks *sarcasm* for another load of crap you want to throw my way. A bit too obvious why you are here by now.

Why are you here? Maybe you should think about that.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote: I‘m not sure, if you mean me as well. I did speak up at one point last week. My intention was not to defend the poster SweetCaroline. I see, that some of her posts are not OK. But she does post about Adam or Queen. I found it baffling, that the poster IronButterfly is apparently never criticized by “Queen-fans“. I think that poster’s comments very seldom add anything to a topic. At least not here. It‘s just a repeat of the repeat of the poster‘s criticism towards SweetCaroline. I haven’t been here for too long. But from what I read on these threads, it’s the combination of these two posters, that‘s responsible for a lot of crap on here. But only one is blamed for it. I find that unfair, so I spoke up. I don’t think one of them behaves better than the other.

Nah, girl. You slipped. You are another one who comes here to ream me out, defend AL and sweetcaroline. You made that clear days ago. No Glambert think sweetcaroline can do no wrong and add to her pity party. No wonder why she can't admit to doing and being wrong. She's only year cause she's banned from QOL until next May. I'm sick and tired of the lies being said about me, and even dragging my ill parents into her twisted agendas. Obviously, you are on her side. When the hell does she post about Queen? Every blue moon? The dmb assed comparsions that she makes, Freddie's and AL's leg length just recently. And you come here saying I add nothing? The irony is mind boggling. Have I come across you before other than here?

You two go on fighting on every topic I opened in this section for pages. There is actually no chance to see, if a few of your posts might add something. Let’s say, I don’t remember, coming across one. I stated my opinion this time and last week. I think both of you must be mad. I‘m not on this board to read about the differences between two woman and the history, that you might have. You seem to suffer under some kind of paranoia. I didn’t come here, because of you. You are saying, other Adam fans did the same as me? Did it ever occur to you, that sensible people might find the ongoing posts between the two of you extremly dumb and worthless? I‘ve seen and posted in several forums. But I can’t remember two people so thick, that they don’t realize, that they are tormenting a whole part of a forum. I opened two threads. Both of them are full of your drivel. Don’t start again pointing your finger on the other one. It’s both of you. You’re not even worth more of my time. Sorry, if that has been offensive, but that’s my opinion.

No, I don't suffer from some sort of paranoia. Thanks *sarcasm* for another load of crap you want to throw my way. A bit too obvious why you are here by now.

Why are you here? Maybe you should think about that.

Nice deflect...well nice try and nice fail on your part. I am a Queen fan. How about you?

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote: I‘m not sure, if you mean me as well. I did speak up at one point last week. My intention was not to defend the poster SweetCaroline. I see, that some of her posts are not OK. But she does post about Adam or Queen. I found it baffling, that the poster IronButterfly is apparently never criticized by “Queen-fans“. I think that poster’s comments very seldom add anything to a topic. At least not here. It‘s just a repeat of the repeat of the poster‘s criticism towards SweetCaroline. I haven’t been here for too long. But from what I read on these threads, it’s the combination of these two posters, that‘s responsible for a lot of crap on here. But only one is blamed for it. I find that unfair, so I spoke up. I don’t think one of them behaves better than the other.

Nah, girl. You slipped. You are another one who comes here to ream me out, defend AL and sweetcaroline. You made that clear days ago. No Glambert think sweetcaroline can do no wrong and add to her pity party. No wonder why she can't admit to doing and being wrong. She's only year cause she's banned from QOL until next May. I'm sick and tired of the lies being said about me, and even dragging my ill parents into her twisted agendas. Obviously, you are on her side. When the hell does she post about Queen? Every blue moon? The dmb assed comparsions that she makes, Freddie's and AL's leg length just recently. And you come here saying I add nothing? The irony is mind boggling. Have I come across you before other than here?

You two go on fighting on every topic I opened in this section for pages. There is actually no chance to see, if a few of your posts might add something. Let’s say, I don’t remember, coming across one. I stated my opinion this time and last week. I think both of you must be mad. I‘m not on this board to read about the differences between two woman and the history, that you might have. You seem to suffer under some kind of paranoia. I didn’t come here, because of you. You are saying, other Adam fans did the same as me? Did it ever occur to you, that sensible people might find the ongoing posts between the two of you extremly dumb and worthless? I‘ve seen and posted in several forums. But I can’t remember two people so thick, that they don’t realize, that they are tormenting a whole part of a forum. I opened two threads. Both of them are full of your drivel. Don’t start again pointing your finger on the other one. It’s both of you. You’re not even worth more of my time. Sorry, if that has been offensive, but that’s my opinion.

No, I don't suffer from some sort of paranoia. Thanks *sarcasm* for another load of crap you want to throw my way. A bit too obvious why you are here by now.

Why are you here? Maybe you should think about that.

Nice deflect...well nice try and nice fail on your part. I am a Queen fan. How about you?

The deflection is on your side. I ask you, to really rethink, why YOU are here. You always question, why others are here. You say, you’re a Queen fan. OK. Then you should ask yourself, why so many of your posts aren’t about Queen or music or QAL. You seem fast to point the fingers on others. You say, you’re a Queen fan. Then talk about Queen. Or QAL. That’s what I will do for now. Because I am a music fan. I came to this forum, because I find some of the old topics about Queen and their history very interesting. Since I‘m also an Adam and know more about him than Queen, I felt more interest in talking about the collaboration with him, that’s why I started to post in this part of the forum. I don’t want to bother other members with this drivel any longer. Sorry to those, that I fell again for seemingly useless exchange.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote: I‘m not sure, if you mean me as well. I did speak up at one point last week. My intention was not to defend the poster SweetCaroline. I see, that some of her posts are not OK. But she does post about Adam or Queen. I found it baffling, that the poster IronButterfly is apparently never criticized by “Queen-fans“. I think that poster’s comments very seldom add anything to a topic. At least not here. It‘s just a repeat of the repeat of the poster‘s criticism towards SweetCaroline. I haven’t been here for too long. But from what I read on these threads, it’s the combination of these two posters, that‘s responsible for a lot of crap on here. But only one is blamed for it. I find that unfair, so I spoke up. I don’t think one of them behaves better than the other.

Nah, girl. You slipped. You are another one who comes here to ream me out, defend AL and sweetcaroline. You made that clear days ago. No Glambert think sweetcaroline can do no wrong and add to her pity party. No wonder why she can't admit to doing and being wrong. She's only year cause she's banned from QOL until next May. I'm sick and tired of the lies being said about me, and even dragging my ill parents into her twisted agendas. Obviously, you are on her side. When the hell does she post about Queen? Every blue moon? The dmb assed comparsions that she makes, Freddie's and AL's leg length just recently. And you come here saying I add nothing? The irony is mind boggling. Have I come across you before other than here?

You two go on fighting on every topic I opened in this section for pages. There is actually no chance to see, if a few of your posts might add something. Let’s say, I don’t remember, coming across one. I stated my opinion this time and last week. I think both of you must be mad. I‘m not on this board to read about the differences between two woman and the history, that you might have. You seem to suffer under some kind of paranoia. I didn’t come here, because of you. You are saying, other Adam fans did the same as me? Did it ever occur to you, that sensible people might find the ongoing posts between the two of you extremly dumb and worthless? I‘ve seen and posted in several forums. But I can’t remember two people so thick, that they don’t realize, that they are tormenting a whole part of a forum. I opened two threads. Both of them are full of your drivel. Don’t start again pointing your finger on the other one. It’s both of you. You’re not even worth more of my time. Sorry, if that has been offensive, but that’s my opinion.

No, I don't suffer from some sort of paranoia. Thanks *sarcasm* for another load of crap you want to throw my way. A bit too obvious why you are here by now.

Why are you here? Maybe you should think about that.

Nice deflect...well nice try and nice fail on your part. I am a Queen fan. How about you?

The deflection is on your side. I ask you, to really rethink, why YOU are here. You always question, why others are here. You say, you’re a Queen fan. OK. Then you should ask yourself, why so many of your posts aren’t about Queen or music or QAL. You seem fast to point the fingers on others. You say, you’re a Queen fan. Then talk about Queen. Or QAL. That’s what I will do for now. Because I am a music fan. I came to this forum, because I find some of the old topics about Queen and their history very interesting. Since I‘m also an Adam and know more about him than Queen, I felt more interest in talking about the collaboration with him, that’s why I started to post in this part of the forum. I don’t want to bother other members with this drivel any longer. Sorry to those, that I fell again for seemingly useless exchange.

I read more about Queen than post about them on QZ. But I do discuss the band at times, go search if you don't believe it. You have come here with your mind made me up almost right away about me. Thing is, before that we barely interacted. You have made snide remarks to and about me, even though I've never said anything remotely like that to or about you here. You make it obvious. Did I reply to you on QOL before this?

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

anadamfan wrote: I‘m not sure, if you mean me as well. I did speak up at one point last week. My intention was not to defend the poster SweetCaroline. I see, that some of her posts are not OK. But she does post about Adam or Queen. I found it baffling, that the poster IronButterfly is apparently never criticized by “Queen-fans“. I think that poster’s comments very seldom add anything to a topic. At least not here. It‘s just a repeat of the repeat of the poster‘s criticism towards SweetCaroline. I haven’t been here for too long. But from what I read on these threads, it’s the combination of these two posters, that‘s responsible for a lot of crap on here. But only one is blamed for it. I find that unfair, so I spoke up. I don’t think one of them behaves better than the other.

Nah, girl. You slipped. You are another one who comes here to ream me out, defend AL and sweetcaroline. You made that clear days ago. No Glambert think sweetcaroline can do no wrong and add to her pity party. No wonder why she can't admit to doing and being wrong. She's only year cause she's banned from QOL until next May. I'm sick and tired of the lies being said about me, and even dragging my ill parents into her twisted agendas. Obviously, you are on her side. When the hell does she post about Queen? Every blue moon? The dmb assed comparsions that she makes, Freddie's and AL's leg length just recently. And you come here saying I add nothing? The irony is mind boggling. Have I come across you before other than here?

You two go on fighting on every topic I opened in this section for pages. There is actually no chance to see, if a few of your posts might add something. Let’s say, I don’t remember, coming across one. I stated my opinion this time and last week. I think both of you must be mad. I‘m not on this board to read about the differences between two woman and the history, that you might have. You seem to suffer under some kind of paranoia. I didn’t come here, because of you. You are saying, other Adam fans did the same as me? Did it ever occur to you, that sensible people might find the ongoing posts between the two of you extremly dumb and worthless? I‘ve seen and posted in several forums. But I can’t remember two people so thick, that they don’t realize, that they are tormenting a whole part of a forum. I opened two threads. Both of them are full of your drivel. Don’t start again pointing your finger on the other one. It’s both of you. You’re not even worth more of my time. Sorry, if that has been offensive, but that’s my opinion.

No, I don't suffer from some sort of paranoia. Thanks *sarcasm* for another load of crap you want to throw my way. A bit too obvious why you are here by now.

Why are you here? Maybe you should think about that.

Nice deflect...well nice try and nice fail on your part. I am a Queen fan. How about you?

The deflection is on your side. I ask you, to really rethink, why YOU are here. You always question, why others are here. You say, you’re a Queen fan. OK. Then you should ask yourself, why so many of your posts aren’t about Queen or music or QAL. You seem fast to point the fingers on others. You say, you’re a Queen fan. Then talk about Queen. Or QAL. That’s what I will do for now. Because I am a music fan. I came to this forum, because I find some of the old topics about Queen and their history very interesting. Since I‘m also an Adam and know more about him than Queen, I felt more interest in talking about the collaboration with him, that’s why I started to post in this part of the forum. I don’t want to bother other members with this drivel any longer. Sorry to those, that I fell again for seemingly useless exchange.

I read more about Queen than post about them on QZ. But I do discuss the band at times, go search if you don't believe it. You have come here with your mind made me up almost right away about me. Thing is, before that we barely interacted. You have made snide remarks to and about me, even though I've never said anything remotely like that to or about you here. You make it obvious. Did I reply to you on QOL before this?

What is QOL? I didn’t come with any mind made up. I addressed you, because of your constant snide and negative remarks about Adam’s fans. You might have an issue with one member (or maybe more, I won’t know). Still, you made it sound, as if every fan of Adam, who comes here, is some kind of mad idiot. In this way, yes, you did offend me. You put all of us in the same box.

anadamfan wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I'm relieved AL doesn't overdo it as much as he once did. Because sometimes it was...painful ;-). He's learned to hold back, and from where and how I look at it, that's the biggest improvement of all.

Yeah I actually really like how he sings now, I wouldn't mind the odd insane vocal run on his solo tour just for fun but not all the time on nearly every song, it loses it's wow factor if you do it all the time, maybe that's why he's toned it down a lot. Plus it can't be great for your voice to do that as much as he used to.

I like it as well. And he still does his insane vocal runs, even with Queen. Just not that often, but still at least once or twice a show. That’s how you can actually say as a listener, when his voice isn’t that well on a concert day. On these days, he refrains from doing these runs. These runs aren’t a problem for his voice, if done technically right. They would be for an untrained singer. The whole Queen show is demanding. Therefore it’s structured to make it a bit easier to sing all these songs night after night without hurting the voice (too much). They almost never do more than two shows in a row. That goes for Adam’s solo tours as well, because more would be very hard on the vocal chords. The Queen shows start with some fast and upbeat songs. They aren’t only there to get the audience going, but also to warm up Adam’s voice. Of course, he and the rest of the band do a vocal warm-up. But Adam has said, that it’s not that extensive, because the first songs are also more warm-up songs. I found it simply astounding: This guy sings WWRY, Hammer to fall, Stone Cold Crazy and so on and says, they are easier for the voice to sing. :-D Just that shows, what an extraordinary singer he is. These songs sound great, and i know, many singers struggle to perform them in a convincing way, when they just try to sing one. It also shows, how much self-confidence Adam has. Some might call it arrogance. I don’t think, he would have been able to do, what he does without it. You must be brave with a ton of self-confidence to step into Freddie’s role on stage. As a singer, who ends the main show by singing Who wants to live forever, The Show must go on and BoRhap sometimes even non-stop (with the easier on the voice Radio GaGa thrown in), he has every right to be as confident as he is. He is a monster of a singer. I know a lot of singers personally. I don’t know or have seen anyone with his abilities. He is not only insanely talented. Adam must have been working to develop his singing techniques for almost his whole life. That was really hard work. Some fans, who try to put Adam down, because he doesn’t play an instrument, seem to have no idea, how much more is behind Adam’s singing ability. Because: We all can sing. To some extend at least. So being a singer is easy, right? Adam Lambert is someone , to whom a lot of singers and people of musical knowledge are looking up to in absolute aw. Kenny Ortega was shocked, when he heard Adam’s singing ability. He worked with him on „The Rocky Horror Picture show“ and mentioned, he had never heard a talented voice like this. Every take of the song had been a new experience. For your info: That man worked with Michael Jackson and many other big stars. And Adam only had a minor role, no need „to big him up“. And Ortega wasn’t the first one to say things like this. I know, that doesn’t help Queen fans, who just don’t like Adam or his voice interpreting Queen songs. So far, nobody has yet been able to bottle that voice and create songs, that showcase it in a great way -other than the Queen catalogue. Or at least some songs of it. I don’t know, if it will ever happen, but IF Adam ever gets the right songs for his solo career, he might become a huge star. Somehow Brian and Roger can be happy, that it didn’t happen so far...

SweetCaroline wrote: anadamfan, it’s impossible and disgusting! She/they don’t want to chat intelligently about anything. They want to chase Adam fans away from here like they did on QOL. There used to be quite a few of us there at one time. But as soon as we praised Adam we were considered enemies. They don’t go to the QAL shows but they know everything about them! If they went, they would be blown away but then they wouldn’t have anything to bitch about. The only way to deal with icy is to ignore her and not respond because otherwise she goes on and on and on to infinity!

anadamfan wrote: I decided it’s enough of all that stupid fighting on this thread. Therefore I repost the last post, that was on topic. I ask everyone, to stay on topic!

anadamfan wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I'm relieved AL doesn't overdo it as much as he once did. Because sometimes it was...painful ;-). He's learned to hold back, and from where and how I look at it, that's the biggest improvement of all.

Yeah I actually really like how he sings now, I wouldn't mind the odd insane vocal run on his solo tour just for fun but not all the time on nearly every song, it loses it's wow factor if you do it all the time, maybe that's why he's toned it down a lot. Plus it can't be great for your voice to do that as much as he used to.

I like it as well. And he still does his insane vocal runs, even with Queen. Just not that often, but still at least once or twice a show. That’s how you can actually say as a listener, when his voice isn’t that well on a concert day. On these days, he refrains from doing these runs. These runs aren’t a problem for his voice, if done technically right. They would be for an untrained singer. The whole Queen show is demanding. Therefore it’s structured to make it a bit easier to sing all these songs night after night without hurting the voice (too much). They almost never do more than two shows in a row. That goes for Adam’s solo tours as well, because more would be very hard on the vocal chords. The Queen shows start with some fast and upbeat songs. They aren’t only there to get the audience going, but also to warm up Adam’s voice. Of course, he and the rest of the band do a vocal warm-up. But Adam has said, that it’s not that extensive, because the first songs are also more warm-up songs. I found it simply astounding: This guy sings WWRY, Hammer to fall, Stone Cold Crazy and so on and says, they are easier for the voice to sing. :-D Just that shows, what an extraordinary singer he is. These songs sound great, and i know, many singers struggle to perform them in a convincing way, when they just try to sing one. It also shows, how much self-confidence Adam has. Some might call it arrogance. I don’t think, he would have been able to do, what he does without it. You must be brave with a ton of self-confidence to step into Freddie’s role on stage. As a singer, who ends the main show by singing Who wants to live forever, The Show must go on and BoRhap sometimes even non-stop (with the easier on the voice Radio GaGa thrown in), he has every right to be as confident as he is. He is a monster of a singer. I know a lot of singers personally. I don’t know or have seen anyone with his abilities. He is not only insanely talented. Adam must have been working to develop his singing techniques for almost his whole life. That was really hard work. Some fans, who try to put Adam down, because he doesn’t play an instrument, seem to have no idea, how much more is behind Adam’s singing ability. Because: We all can sing. To some extend at least. So being a singer is easy, right? Adam Lambert is someone , to whom a lot of singers and people of musical knowledge are looking up to in absolute aw. Kenny Ortega was shocked, when he heard Adam’s singing ability. He worked with him on „The Rocky Horror Picture show“ and mentioned, he had never heard a talented voice like this. Every take of the song had been a new experience. For your info: That man worked with Michael Jackson and many other big stars. And Adam only had a minor role, no need „to big him up“. And Ortega wasn’t the first one to say things like this. I know, that doesn’t help Queen fans, who just don’t like Adam or his voice interpreting Queen songs. So far, nobody has yet been able to bottle that voice and create songs, that showcase it in a great way -other than the Queen catalogue. Or at least some songs of it. I don’t know, if it will ever happen, but IF Adam ever gets the right songs for his solo career, he might become a huge star. Somehow Brian and Roger can be happy, that it didn’t happen so far...

SweetCaroline wrote: anadamfan, it’s impossible and disgusting! She/they don’t want to chat intelligently about anything. They want to chase Adam fans away from here like they did on QOL. There used to be quite a few of us there at one time. But as soon as we praised Adam we were considered enemies. They don’t go to the QAL shows but they know everything about them! If they went, they would be blown away but then they wouldn’t have anything to bitch about. The only way to deal with icy is to ignore her and not respond because otherwise she goes on and on and on to infinity!

MisterCosmicc wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: anadamfan, it’s impossible and disgusting! She/they don’t want to chat intelligently about anything. They want to chase Adam fans away from here like they did on QOL. There used to be quite a few of us there at one time. But as soon as we praised Adam we were considered enemies. They don’t go to the QAL shows but they know everything about them! If they went, they would be blown away but then they wouldn’t have anything to bitch about. The only way to deal with icy is to ignore her and not respond because otherwise she goes on and on and on to infinity!

I'm not sure what you are referring to, and I know some of the people you are talking about actually enjoy Adam, but not in the extremist approach you choose, but I think everything I've seen from his performances visually is boring or disgusting. I think Adam makes a great pop record, not something I like, but I think it's great for those who love bubblegum teenybopper pop... but I also think his dance moves are a train wreck. I'm judging this on things his fans post...

Liliane wrote: I would love to hear your picks as well Rockchic. Thank you btw for showing me how to quote on this forum :) Iron Butterfly, as much as I disagree with you, I am extremely sorry to hear about your ailing parents. I hope they get better soon. My most sincere wishes and regards to your parents. Setting aside our disagreements here, I do admire your devotion and piety to your parents. Take care.

MisterCosmicc wrote: ... but I think live, he's a fucking mess compared to Freddie. And sometimes a mess is great, I love Brian Wilson, and he can't sing like he used to, he sits at his piano and waves his hands around... but it's still satisfying. Adam isn't. Adam is forgetful.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: ... but I think live, he's a fucking mess compared to Freddie. And sometimes a mess is great, I love Brian Wilson, and he can't sing like he used to, he sits at his piano and waves his hands around... but it's still satisfying. Adam isn't. Adam is forgetful.

If I can be honest, AL is not very natural at times. Almost as if he is still trying to hard at times. Yes, he can be forgetful. ;-).

anadamfan wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Brancelli wrote: Is touring with Queen a detriment to Adam’s voice, due to the difficulty of the catalog? I think Adam perhaps has lost a bit the last couple of years. I don’t think he can hit the notes he could 5 years ago. Still a very solid singer, but can he still sing something like Sleepwalker (Russia version) or A Change is Gonna Come (American Idol)? I don’t think he can. Hope I’m wrong. I do think he could still sing something like Soaked very well though.

There are times he hold back. I really think he did hold back with a recent version of WWTLF, then again, he wasn't singing in onstage with Brian and Roger. He can still hit the notes, but I think he holds back every now and then as not to risk damaging his vocal cords.

Yes, there are times, he holds back. His voice is also still changing/growing in a natural way. A man‘s voice still changes a lot after the vocal change in puberty. Male voices are only completely developed and at their strongest between 35—45 years. That depends on the voice: the higher tenor voice is usually at its strongest between 35-40, while a very low bass needs longer to develop. Trained singers know, how to hold the level for a much longer time. Still, they can’t speed up the development. That means, Adam’s voice should be at its absolute peak about this time now. It also means, that it is indeed possible, that through the sheer natural growth of his voice, he might not be able to sing the highest notes, that he did on idol any longer. Or not in a safe way, without damaging his voice. I did notice, that his voice grew a bit lower through the years. I can assure you, that it’s a completely natural process and has nothing to do with the demand of the Queen songs. Adam matured and also got a little wiser and calmer by doing so.

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam’s voice doesn’t sound like Freddie’s voice like Marc Martel’s does, So is that why people think it doesn’t suit the Queen music and catalog? Evidently Brian and Roger have other reasons why they prefer to tour with Adam. I agree that Freddie’s tone was richer but I still say when they were projecting Freddie at the end of BoRhap and his voice was being alternated with Adam, they sounded pretty much the same.

Brancelli wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: ... but I think live, he's a fucking mess compared to Freddie. And sometimes a mess is great, I love Brian Wilson, and he can't sing like he used to, he sits at his piano and waves his hands around... but it's still satisfying. Adam isn't. Adam is forgetful.

If I can be honest, AL is not very natural at times. Almost as if he is still trying to hard at times. Yes, he can be forgetful. ;-).

Completely agree. I believe at one time Adam had a more natural stage presence. I don't know if it's the pressure of performing with former members of Queen, but I too feel like he tries a bit too hard, which I don't think he did earlier on (in solo shows). Less pressure, cause it's his own material?

Iron Butterfly wrote: Some say he can do whatever he wants during Q+AL concerts, if true, I don't think that would put pressure on him. He's rigid at times. Almost of if he's acting.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Some say he can do whatever he wants during Q+AL concerts, if true, I don't think that would put pressure on him. He's rigid at times. Almost of if he's acting.

He has a lot of freedom in how he chooses to sing and act on stage but due to the staging, lights and all the cued things that are happening he can't just wing it and play around at will he has to keep to the timing of how the show has been set out and rehearsed, i.e. they have to be stood in the right place for the lights and lasers etc and the cannons on the foot of the stage, Brian nearly ended up being blasted by one last year when he wasn't paying 100% attention. Also he has to keep to the timing and flow of the show or they wouldn't fit everything in. In his own shows which don't have the same type of set up and where he has a backing band he can pretty much do what he wants, they will just wait while he talks to the audience, plays around or ad libs or whatever. I suppose they could do a Queen show that way if they wanted but they seem to like having it tightly rehearsed and more like a cross between a concert and a theater show.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Some say he can do whatever he wants during Q+AL concerts, if true, I don't think that would put pressure on him. He's rigid at times. Almost of if he's acting.

He has a lot of freedom in how he chooses to sing and act on stage but due to the staging, lights and all the cued things that are happening he can't just wing it and play around at will he has to keep to the timing of how the show has been set out and rehearsed, i.e. they have to be stood in the right place for the lights and lasers etc and the cannons on the foot of the stage, Brian nearly ended up being blasted by one last year when he wasn't paying 100% attention. Also he has to keep to the timing and flow of the show or they wouldn't fit everything in. In his own shows which don't have the same type of set up and where he has a backing band he can pretty much do what he wants, they will just wait while he talks to the audience, plays around or ad libs or whatever. I suppose they could do a Queen show that way if they wanted but they seem to like having it tightly rehearsed and more like a cross between a concert and a theater show.

Sealion wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Some say he can do whatever he wants during Q+AL concerts, if true, I don't think that would put pressure on him. He's rigid at times. Almost of if he's acting.

He has a lot of freedom in how he chooses to sing and act on stage but due to the staging, lights and all the cued things that are happening he can't just wing it and play around at will he has to keep to the timing of how the show has been set out and rehearsed, i.e. they have to be stood in the right place for the lights and lasers etc and the cannons on the foot of the stage, Brian nearly ended up being blasted by one last year when he wasn't paying 100% attention. Also he has to keep to the timing and flow of the show or they wouldn't fit everything in. In his own shows which don't have the same type of set up and where he has a backing band he can pretty much do what he wants, they will just wait while he talks to the audience, plays around or ad libs or whatever. I suppose they could do a Queen show that way if they wanted but they seem to like having it tightly rehearsed and more like a cross between a concert and a theater show.

Lambert comes from the theater world and you can see that in the shows and his performance style. I don’t think, it’s much different in his solo shows. I only saw one of these. I would say, that QAL has in comparison at least twenty times the budget for a show. So no Laser-Show, robots, bicycles or glitter canons for Lambert. His stage his too small. Similar was, that he also had video screens for a background. In think QAL is actually more a mixture of songs, where the band is bound to a ‚script‘, and of songs, where they perform free. The band is made of excellent musicians. I saw on a few occasions , that they did a chorus again or left something out, when Lambert forgot to sing part of a song or Brian lost track in the middle of I want it all (as examples). They aren’t slaves of their show. That was only true for BoRhap, when Freddie was singing with Lambert. And to a lesser extent with the computer generated Laser Shows for Radio Gaga or songs with a video background. That goes for Another One bites the Dust for instance. Still, they repeated the chorus and changed it up on the go, when the performance with Lady Gaga went out of the ordinary. They can change things up and do it. But everyone on stage is a real pro, that‘s why we usually don’t realize it. The canons only ‚fire‘, when the technician push’s the right button by the way. I doubt, he would have blown up Brian. ;-) To add: They don’t need to rehearse that much, because they are barely changing the setlist and play live without clicks. This way, the timing isn’t important, they do their things and the technicians push the right buttons, when the band is ready. Lambert or Brian can talk as long as they want.

Sealion wrote: Lambert comes from the theater world and you can see that in the shows and his performance style. I don’t think, it’s much different in his solo shows. I only saw one of these. I would say, that QAL has in comparison at least twenty times the budget for a show. So no Laser-Show, robots, bicycles or glitter canons for Lambert. His stage his too small. Similar was, that he also had video screens for a background. In think QAL is actually more a mixture of songs, where the band is bound to a ‚script‘, and of songs, where they perform free. The band is made of excellent musicians. I saw on a few occasions , that they did a chorus again or left something out, when Lambert forgot to sing part of a song or Brian lost track in the middle of I want it all (as examples). They aren’t slaves of their show. That was only true for BoRhap, when Freddie was singing with Lambert. And to a lesser extent with the computer generated Laser Shows for Radio Gaga or songs with a video background. That goes for Another One bites the Dust for instance. Still, they repeated the chorus and changed it up on the go, when the performance with Lady Gaga went out of the ordinary. They can change things up and do it. But everyone on stage is a real pro, that‘s why we usually don’t realize it. The canons only ‚fire‘, when the technician push’s the right button by the way. I doubt, he would have blown up Brian. ;-) To add: They don’t need to rehearse that much, because they are barely changing the setlist and play live without clicks. This way, the timing isn’t important, they do their things and the technicians push the right buttons, when the band is ready. Lambert or Brian can talk as long as they want.

Sealion wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Some say he can do whatever he wants during Q+AL concerts, if true, I don't think that would put pressure on him. He's rigid at times. Almost of if he's acting.

He has a lot of freedom in how he chooses to sing and act on stage but due to the staging, lights and all the cued things that are happening he can't just wing it and play around at will he has to keep to the timing of how the show has been set out and rehearsed, i.e. they have to be stood in the right place for the lights and lasers etc and the cannons on the foot of the stage, Brian nearly ended up being blasted by one last year when he wasn't paying 100% attention. Also he has to keep to the timing and flow of the show or they wouldn't fit everything in. In his own shows which don't have the same type of set up and where he has a backing band he can pretty much do what he wants, they will just wait while he talks to the audience, plays around or ad libs or whatever. I suppose they could do a Queen show that way if they wanted but they seem to like having it tightly rehearsed and more like a cross between a concert and a theater show.

Lambert comes from the theater world and you can see that in the shows and his performance style. I don’t think, it’s much different in his solo shows. I only saw one of these. I would say, that QAL has in comparison at least twenty times the budget for a show. So no Laser-Show, robots, bicycles or glitter canons for Lambert. His stage his too small. Similar was, that he also had video screens for a background. In think QAL is actually more a mixture of songs, where the band is bound to a ‚script‘, and of songs, where they perform pretty free. The band is made of excellent musicians. I saw on a few occasions , that they did a chorus again or left something out, when Lambert forgot to sing part of a song or Brian lost track in the middle of I want it all (as examples). They aren’t slaves of their show. That was only true for BoRhap, when Freddie was singing with Lambert. And to a lesser extent with the computer generated Laser Shows for Radio Gaga or songs with a video background. That goes for Another One bites the Dust for instance. Still, they repeated the chorus and changed it up on the go, when the performance with Lady Gaga went out of the ordinary. They can change things up and do it. But everyone on stage is a real pro, that‘s why we usually don’t realize it. The canons only ‚fire‘, when the technician push’s the right button by the way. I doubt, he would have blown up Brian. ;-) To add: They don’t need to rehearse that much, because they are barely changing the setlist and play live without clicks. This way, the timing isn’t important, they do their things and the technicians push the right buttons, when the band is ready. Lambert or Brian can talk as long as they want.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Gotta ask something to people who have seen AL solo concerts. What is his banter like with the audience? I do think Q+AL could be better if it was more about the music and less about the gimmicks. But honestly, if I can be, Brian and Roger are the reasons why I tune in.

rockchic65 wrote: They do a bit of playing around, talking before STL, things like that but during the songs they seem to pretty much stick to the timing for quite a few of them, at least from the vids I've seen, more on this last tour than previously I would say. I'm not sure if the guy operating the cannons can see the stage properly but the incident I was referring to was when Brian was doing a guitar solo part and was stood almost over a cannon when Adam suddenly moved in front of him and backed him up just before the cannon went off, not sure what happened they usually aren't near them at that point of the show.

Sealion wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: They do a bit of playing around, talking before STL, things like that but during the songs they seem to pretty much stick to the timing for quite a few of them, at least from the vids I've seen, more on this last tour than previously I would say. I'm not sure if the guy operating the cannons can see the stage properly but the incident I was referring to was when Brian was doing a guitar solo part and was stood almost over a cannon when Adam suddenly moved in front of him and backed him up just before the cannon went off, not sure what happened they usually aren't near them at that point of the show.

Then the guy operating the cannons didn’t see or realize, that Brian was standing in the wrong place. As for the songs: Yes, they CAN change them up. But it’s clear, they don’t WANT to. And to be clear: Queen has always been that way. They structured a show, decided on how to present every song and stayed with it for the tour. The only difference was, that fans didn’t realize it, because there hadn’t been all these videos on YT and internet discussions. Even Freddies banter and jokes were the same every night. In this way, nothing has changed. Brian and Roger stayed true to the winning formula and didn’t change, how they approach a tour.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Gotta ask something to people who have seen AL solo concerts. What is his banter like with the audience? I do think Q+AL could be better if it was more about the music and less about the gimmicks. But honestly, if I can be, Brian and Roger are the reasons why I tune in.

His banter is pretty much the same at each show, he does alter it a bit occasionally but for the most part it's pretty scripted. That's one part where I get the impression he's a bit less scripted in his own shows where he tends to chat to individual people in the audience and react to what they say more. There's only a couple of parts where he talks, his I'm no Freddie speech and the STL part with Brian from what I can recall. He throws an occasional comment in other parts but mostly the rest is music. Just as an example I don't think this kind of banter would go down too well in a Queen show - link

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: His banter is pretty much the same at each show, he does alter it a bit occasionally but for the most part it's pretty scripted. That's one part where I get the impression he's a bit less scripted in his own shows where he tends to chat to individual people in the audience and react to what they say more. There's only a couple of parts where he talks, his I'm no Freddie speech and the STL part with Brian from what I can recall. He throws an occasional comment in other parts but mostly the rest is music. Just as an example I don't think this kind of banter would go down too well in a Queen show - link

I know how he is during Q+AL shows. I wanted to know if he was more "free" to say and do things with his solo shows. Yeah, I agree, that wouldn't go down well even at a Q+AL show XD

Iron Butterfly wrote: I know how he is during Q+AL shows. I wanted to know if he was more "free" to say and do things with his solo shows. Yeah, I agree, that wouldn't go down well even at a Q+AL show XD

anadamfan wrote: It would! In Germany or Austria. That was a play of words - and actually a really clever one. For explanation: „Ich liebe dich“ means „I love you“. The problem is, that especially Americans have usually problems to pronounce the word „dich“. They simply can’t pronounce „ch“ and say instead „ck“. This way that sentence is very often pronounced exactly in the way Adam is saying it here. Without intention, of course. Now, Adam had lived in Germany for 6 months a couple of years ago and his pronounciation of our language is really good. He had a teacher for that, when he played in the musical Hair and had to speak in German. This way, he knows of that joke.

rockchic65 wrote:

anadamfan wrote: It would! In Germany or Austria. That was a play of words - and actually a really clever one. For explanation: „Ich liebe dich“ means „I love you“. The problem is, that especially Americans have usually problems to pronounce the word „dich“. They simply can’t pronounce „ch“ and say instead „ck“. This way that sentence is very often pronounced exactly in the way Adam is saying it here. Without intention, of course. Now, Adam had lived in Germany for 6 months a couple of years ago and his pronounciation of our language is really good. He had a teacher for that, when he played in the musical Hair and had to speak in German. This way, he knows of that joke.

When I said it wouldn't go down well I was more meaning just stopping and messing around with the audience, chatting etc while the band wait around rather than what he actually said. I've seen him say "look at those tits you can sing good" during a Queen show so he has done that as part of the call and response part but they didn't have that on the last tour they had Freddie doing day o's instead.

rockchic65 wrote:

anadamfan wrote: It would! In Germany or Austria. That was a play of words - and actually a really clever one. For explanation: „Ich liebe dich“ means „I love you“. The problem is, that especially Americans have usually problems to pronounce the word „dich“. They simply can’t pronounce „ch“ and say instead „ck“. This way that sentence is very often pronounced exactly in the way Adam is saying it here. Without intention, of course. Now, Adam had lived in Germany for 6 months a couple of years ago and his pronounciation of our language is really good. He had a teacher for that, when he played in the musical Hair and had to speak in German. This way, he knows of that joke.

When I said it wouldn't go down well I was more meaning just stopping and messing around with the audience, chatting etc while the band wait around rather than what he actually said. I've seen him say "look at those tits you can sing good" during a Queen show so he has done that as part of the call and response part but they didn't have that on the last tour they had Freddie doing day o's instead.

SweetCaroline wrote: Nice tribute to Freddie on my Facebook tonight: link

SweetCaroline wrote: I’m sorry but no one is ever going to be able to perform a resurrection.

SweetCaroline wrote: It’s the truth. 27 years later no amount of praise is ever enough! And by the same token, no amount of criticism of Brian, Roger and Adam is ever enough to satisfy your outrage that they have carried on even though that was Freddie’s message: “carry on, carry on!”

SweetCaroline wrote: The video was posted on Facebook because of the date. Both Roger and Brian talk about Freddie’s passing and Adam talks about keeping the torch burning for his music. Good God, Icy, what will ever satisfy you. I’m sorry but no one is ever going to be able to perform a resurrection.

SweetCaroline wrote: My true colors? You think I hate Freddie like you hate Adam? 100% wrong! I think they are both amazing men and neither of them deserve the negativity that has come their way. I have come to know and love Freddie and Queen more than I did before because of this marvelous collaboration. How many Queen and Queen + concerts have you been to and have you been to see the “Bohemian Rhapsody” movie? I don’t know you and you don’t know me but you are very quick to misinterpret what I say.

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy and Holly, are you aware that I am posting about Adam as well as the members of Queen in threads about Adam? If you can’t stand to hear anything about Adam in these threads, maybe you should find the threads that are only about Freddie. Why are you here with your nasty non-stop pages and pages of crap? I have said nothing derogatory or disrespectful about Freddie. It is a painful fact that he died prematurely on November 24, 1991 and what I posted was in recognition of that fact.

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy, what did you post about Freddie in your own words? All you do is criticize what I post. What beautiful original words did you post this weekend to honor the memory of Freddie? Where are they? I missed them!

SweetCaroline wrote: Now this is hilarious. I haven’t been to QOL for awhile so because icy bugged me about it I just looked. The same video I posted here as a tribute to Freddie has been posted over there in a whole new separate thread. Okay Miss icy pants, I dare you to go over there and give that poster the same grief you gave me that it isn’t s tribute to Freddie but PR for Adam. I double dare you! LOL Look at the time. I posted it first. You and Horrible Holly lose!

SweetCaroline wrote: I’m sorry but no one is ever going to be able to perform a resurrection.

Holly2003 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: I’m sorry but no one is ever going to be able to perform a resurrection.

All your bullshit can't hide the fact that this is what you said. You're a nasty old bat.

SweetCaroline wrote: That’s what you want, Holly, you want Freddie to come back from the grave because no one else will do. I wasn’t denigrating Freddie, just pointing out your distorted view of reality.

SweetCaroline wrote: That’s what you want, Holly, you want Freddie to come back from the grave because no one else will do. I wasn’t denigrating Freddie, just pointing out your distorted view of reality. Okay, I’m done. I’m not responding to this nonsense from you and icy anymore. Have your fun. I will post what I want to post. If you don’t like it that is your problem. I’m not doing anything wrong. Rant on!

Holly2003 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: That’s what you want, Holly, you want Freddie to come back from the grave because no one else will do. I wasn’t denigrating Freddie, just pointing out your distorted view of reality.

You weren't even talking to me when you said it! You're as crazy as a shit house rat lol!

ForFreddie wrote: Queen, isn't Queen, without Freddie Mercury.... period... no matter who they put up there, in Freddie's place, no matter how good that person is......NO ONE can/will ever fill Freddie's shoes....no matter what kind he wore.

snifflese wrote: The point is that NO ONE is trying to fill Freddie's shoes. That is where you guys go wrong. It is simply Brian and Roger continuing to play THEIR music with a man they like and feel does a great job with the Queen Catalog. Adam only has to worry about his own shoes to fill. It isn't about Freddie any longer. He has iconic status and nothing will change that, but it is wonderful to still here Queen's music on tour from 2 of the originals. Brian and Roger were going for a slightly different sound so it wasn't exactly like the shows with Freddie. If they wanted a Freddie sound alike, they could have chosen Marc Martel. They didn't. This is something entirely removed from a Freddie concert and should be seen in that light.

snifflese wrote: Take your own advice, you piece of absolute Dreck!! What a sad piece of humanity (debatable) you are. You are just some little keyboard weenie warrior. Real men would never behave the way you do.

snifflese wrote: Icy, tons of people sing other people's music and it isn't a problem. Roger and Brian and John also wrote a lot of it. It isn't just Freddie's music! Because Beethoven composed the music, does that mean no one else can play his music or ever enjoy it because he isn't here to perform? Don't understand that argument. Music is made for the ages for everyone to enjoy and play and sing no matter how old the music is. That is what keeps music alive through the years.

snifflese wrote: What I meant was that the comparisons should stop because it is no longer Freddie singing. I think you have to evaluate it in terms of Brian, Roger, Adam and the other guys and not as a Freddie concert. I just think some people hold it against Adam and Brian and Roger because it isn't Freddie singing, but that would be impossible. You have to take what is possible and right now it is QAL. You can surely say that I don't like it, I don't care for Adam's singing as he isn't a rock singer and things like that, but you can't expect Adam to be Freddie. The concert isn't really about him anymore. I don't know if that makes any sense or not!

I don't know if that makes any sense or not!

runner_70 wrote: They live on freddies laurels especially the annoying muppet on vocals who destroys Freddie's songs night after night and mocks him to the Limit. Sad talentless wanker ladyboy

SweetCaroline wrote: I get it now. Brian and Roger should have toured with Marc Martel instead of Adam because Marc sounds like Freddie, plays the piano and is a straight man who would have performed the Queen songs in a bland, boring way. He doesn’t act out the lyrics and “mock Freddie” by entertaining the audience with an amusing take on “Killer Queen” and “Bicycle Race.” And ..... he wouldn’t have thrilled those audiences with a glorious vocal range reaching up to the rafters in “Who Wants To Live Forever” and “Somebody To Love” and “The Show Must Go On” and “Bohemian Rhapsody.”

snifflese wrote: You have to be secretly lusting after Adam to be this vehement about someone you don't know. Way too many homophobic slurs from you. Those people often have an issue and you know what it is!! Not an issue for normal people, but for someone like you, it probably is. Otherwise I just don't get the hate.

runner_70 wrote:

snifflese wrote: You have to be secretly lusting after Adam to be this vehement about someone you don't know. Way too many homophobic slurs from you. Those people often have an issue and you know what it is!! Not an issue for normal people, but for someone like you, it probably is. Otherwise I just don't get the hate.

The only ones lusting for the tranny are you Vocal shitology and SC

snifflese wrote: You are a nut job. People can enjoy someone's voice without this stupid lusting business. I don't lust after anyone, Dude! I know Icy always says that about Caroline, but someone can certainly appreciate a singer's voice and acknowledge that he is a good looking guy, but that is where it stops. I have never heard that idea put forward until I started reading on the Queen Boards and to me it is a real head scratcher.

SweetCaroline wrote: The bottom line is you have to be present in person to truly appreciate the power and majesty of Adam’s voice. He is no “ladyboy.” I never had the joy of experiencing Freddie in person. I have watched the videos and listened to the CDs, but it is absolutely impossible to appreciate completely the power and majesty in HIS voice unless you hear it live. Those of you who had that experience are lucky indeed, but are wrong to compare it to the singer, any singer, who you have not heard that way.

ForFreddie wrote: The term " ladyboy" doesn't necessarily have to pertain to his voice. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

snifflese wrote: Just because we are older does not mean we are stupid. What Runner is saying is not nice and not true. Nothing he writes is ever nice or true. He seems to have some problems with the ladyboy concept in particular, but then he actually has quite a few problems that I can see.

snifflese wrote: He doesn't include you in the stupid, senile glamtart group, Icy. He knows you don't think much of QAL or Adam in particular. You belong more to their group than the fans of QAL. You seem to agree with Runner more often than not or at least, you normally don't take issue with him except for one post. Everybody knows where your heart belongs and no problem with that, but Runner is horrid to most other people here. I guess you must just be lucky that he doesn't turn his vitriol on you.

snifflese wrote: I think what Runner has called people and the filth he throws at them, far outweighs the Trump and Hitler analogy. He doesn't really pick on you because you belong more to his group. He pretty much only goes after the Adam fans. You are excluded from that group. I have no problem with that or what you consider to be true. I just usually don't agree, but that is OK!

snifflese wrote: He doesn't include you in the stupid, senile glamtart group, Icy. He knows you don't think much of QAL or Adam in particular. You belong more to their group than the fans of QAL. You seem to agree with Runner more often than not or at least, you normally don't take issue with him except for one post. Everybody knows where your heart belongs and no problem with that, but Runner is horrid to most other people here. I guess you must just be lucky that he doesn't turn his vitriol on you.

snifflese wrote: I would rather be that than whatever it is you are supposed to be!