QueenZone discussion #1526118

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam has a gorgeous voice and range. That is his instrument. Not everyone has multiple talents like Freddie!

rockchic65 wrote: He does co write songs, it's obvious from some of the lyrics which one's he's had a hand in, but how much of them he writes is not known but he has always preferred to work in a team rather than solo and he has a ton of friends who are songwriters. He doesn't play an instrument though, he had piano lessons as a kid and gave them up because he didn't have the patience for it. He has got a guitar lying around now though and did post a pic saying "guitar lessons" a while ago so maybe he's been learning a few basics to help with writing.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Too bad he doesn’t have more talent, I looked at the songwriting credits on his last album. Nine writers for one of the tracks? Reminds of of Beyonce’s songs. Adam obviously makes more money with Queen than he can make on his own. Glad Brian and Roger are there to help him financially.

SweetCaroline wrote: I just complimented Freddie and you are still not happy. That’s pathetic. Are you ever positive about anything?

rockchic65 wrote: The music industry dictates a lot of what happens, he was signed to Warner and they presumably wanted him to work with the hit makers Martin/Shelback and their team and when you're tied to a contract you don't have a great deal of say in what happens. There's songs on all his albums that he's co wrote but album 3 is the one with the least input from him. Seems he's changed things up this year, he's been working with independent songwriter friends, various one's and having a lot more input it seems though when the album will get released is anyone's guess, there's obviously label issues going on. Obviously he makes good money with Queen and why not, he was asked by them and they couldn't be out there touring at the level they are without a singer so it's mutually beneficial, nothing wrong with that.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Too bad he doesn’t have more talent, I looked at the songwriting credits on his last album. Nine writers for one of the tracks? Reminds of of Beyonce’s songs. Adam obviously makes more money with Queen than he can make on his own. Glad Brian and Roger are there to help him financially.

The music industry dictates a lot of what happens, he was signed to Warner and they presumably wanted him to work with the hit makers Martin/Shelback and their team and when you're tied to a contract you don't have a great deal of say in what happens. There's songs on all his albums that he's co wrote but album 3 is the one with the least input from him. Seems he's changed things up this year, he's been working with independent songwriter friends, various one's and having a lot more input it seems though when the album will get released is anyone's guess, there's obviously label issues going on. Obviously he makes good money with Queen and why not, he was asked by them and they couldn't be out there touring at the level they are without a singer so it's mutually beneficial, nothing wrong with that.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: The music industry dictates a lot of what happens, he was signed to Warner and they presumably wanted him to work with the hit makers Martin/Shelback and their team and when you're tied to a contract you don't have a great deal of say in what happens. There's songs on all his albums that he's co wrote but album 3 is the one with the least input from him. Seems he's changed things up this year, he's been working with independent songwriter friends, various one's and having a lot more input it seems though when the album will get released is anyone's guess, there's obviously label issues going on. Obviously he makes good money with Queen and why not, he was asked by them and they couldn't be out there touring at the level they are without a singer so it's mutually beneficial, nothing wrong with that.

Who is he writing songs with? I'd like to learn about it. Hmm... label issues. I wonder if it's the poor sales from his last two albums.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: The music industry dictates a lot of what happens, he was signed to Warner and they presumably wanted him to work with the hit makers Martin/Shelback and their team and when you're tied to a contract you don't have a great deal of say in what happens. There's songs on all his albums that he's co wrote but album 3 is the one with the least input from him. Seems he's changed things up this year, he's been working with independent songwriter friends, various one's and having a lot more input it seems though when the album will get released is anyone's guess, there's obviously label issues going on. Obviously he makes good money with Queen and why not, he was asked by them and they couldn't be out there touring at the level they are without a singer so it's mutually beneficial, nothing wrong with that.

Who is he writing songs with? I'd like to learn about it. Hmm... label issues. I wonder if it's the poor sales from his last two albums.

I don't remember their names, he and they have posted clips on instagram over the last eighteen months he's been working on the album with various friends in the studio writing/recording. Most of them are actual friends he's known for ages. No idea about the label, he clearly can't say anything at the moment but it's possible they didn't agree on the direction he wanted to go since he previously said the album was completed but then he was back in the studio recording again. He's probably locked into a time limit where he can't go to another label or release music if he was the one who decided to leave.

MisterCosmicc wrote: He said "friends"? No links at all?

Iron Butterfly wrote: Songwriting with his friends. Is he able to write a song or two by himself for his upcoming music? I honestly don't have much hope for his song writing given the fact TwoFux was the result of what he had input on along with four other song writers.

Iron Butterfly wrote: His issues about the record company, I guess another reason why he is so quick to jump in for Brian and Roger while his solo career has fallen behind.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Songwriting with his friends. Is he able to write a song or two by himself for his upcoming music? I honestly don't have much hope for his song writing given the fact TwoFux was the result of what he had input on along with four other song writers.

Why does he need to write a song alone when he prefers to work with other people, he's a collaborator, he's extremely sociable and loves to be around people so it's how he likes to work. Queen worked best when they all got together in a studio and wrote and recorded on the fly, people collaborating brings everyone's strengths into play and it's how a lot of bands work. Adam's a solo artist but that doesn't mean he has to be a one man band when it comes to all the other parts of putting music together. As to Two Fux, that's not his one and only song, why is that one so important, it was simply something that appealed to him because of the message, not caring too much about other people's opinion of you, not getting caught up in that cycle of giving power to other people but not taking it too serious either.

Iron Butterfly wrote: I'd like to see what he could come up with to be honest. TwoFux isn't his best work. I knock that song, because it's not good song and the fact it took five people to come up with it.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: He said "friends"? No links at all?

They're instagram stories that he and his friends post, mostly them and so they disappear after 24 hours. I follow him on insta but I don't take that much notice of his friends names etc. The one's I know he works with are - Sarah Hudson, Alisan Porter, Ferras, Justin Tranter, Bonnie McKee, Trey Campbell, Sam Sparro I'm sure there's been a few others as well.

MisterCosmicc wrote: So... hired songwriters. Not out of friendship.... but hired. Those are people that work for companies that get paid to write for people.

Sealion wrote: I don’t know, with whom AL is writing his music and I don’t actually think it matters. My question: What exactly would you people call“good songwriting“? The all over the radio generic pop songs? They only work, because labels and radio are pushing them. They create their clients and MAKE them stars. Is there anything else, that’s successful at the moment? I don’t really see it. Sorry. It’s another time and world and not comparable to the time, when the old rock bands created all these new kinds of music. Now, there are thousands of bands and singers out there, who try to do the same. Or do you want more original, creative and therefore risky songs? I think Lamberts“Two Fux“ fits that bill. People like it or they don’t, but it’s different. I actually liked it. It has a catchy melody. The lyrics are personal and kinda funny. It’s a light song with a deeper meaning. What if Justin Bieber sang it? The radio stations would have played it to death and it would have been a hit. Lambert‘s 3rd album was produced by Max Martin. The man, who produces hit after hit. Again: Had for instance Adele sang the ballad „There I said it“, it might probably have been a hit. No, the music industry is sick. They do have their formulas and today it is unfortunately worse than ever. A song like BoRhap would never see the sun today. A singer, who doesn’t do, what he‘s told, is cut short. Success is unfortunately not about songwriting. It‘s about fitting the industry‘s bill. The really creative musicians play in garage bands. Edit: I don’t mean to say, that AL songs are that good, that they must be hits. I tried to explain, that they aren’t worse than most of the hit songs by current superstars on the radio. ;)

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I'd like to see what he could come up with to be honest. TwoFux isn't his best work. I knock that song, because it's not good song and the fact it took five people to come up with it.

I don't personally like it either but it's just one song and I can see his reason for doing it and it was mostly wrote before he had any hand in it.

Sealion wrote: I don’t know, with whom AL is writing his music and I don’t actually think it matters. My question: What exactly would you people call“good songwriting“? The all over the radio generic pop songs? They only work, because labels and radio are pushing them. They create their clients and MAKE them stars. Is there anything else, that’s successful at the moment? I don’t really see it. Sorry. It’s another time and world and not comparable to the time, when the old rock bands created all these new kinds of music. Now, there are thousands of bands and singers out there, who try to do the same. Or do you want more original, creative and therefore risky songs? I think Lamberts“Two Fux“ fits that bill. People like it or they don’t, but it’s different. I actually liked it. It has a catchy melody. The lyrics are personal and kinda funny. It’s a light song with a deeper meaning. What if Justin Bieber sang it? The radio stations would have played it to death and it would have been a hit. Lambert‘s 3rd album was produced by Max Martin. The man, who produces hit after hit. Again: Had for instance Adele sang the ballad „There I said it“, it might probably have been a hit. No, the music industry is sick. They do have their formulas and today it is unfortunately worse than ever. A song like BoRhap would never see the sun today. A singer, who doesn’t do, what he‘s told, is cut short. Success is unfortunately not about songwriting. It‘s about fitting the industry‘s bill. The really creative musicians play in garage bands. Edit: I don’t mean to say, that AL songs are that good, that they must be hits. I tried to explain, that they aren’t worse than most of the hit songs by current superstars on the radio. ;)

Iron Butterfly wrote: It amazes me in this day and age, people like Sam Smith and Adele make it...and have made such a splash in the music world. To me, they don't rely on gimmcks, tits and ass to do the talking for them. I like some pop artists of today, Lady GaGa has proved also what she can do, and I think she's original in her music. She's the one breaking barriers these last few years with her music, style and career.

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: It amazes me in this day and age, people like Sam Smith and Adele make it...and have made such a splash in the music world. To me, they don't rely on gimmcks, tits and ass to do the talking for them. I like some pop artists of today, Lady GaGa has proved also what she can do, and I think she's original in her music. She's the one breaking barriers these last few years with her music, style and career.

Smith and Adele are what the music industry is looking for: artists, who can sing and are likable. They are mainstream. Their songs aren’t too deep, but speak to most people. They are also from Britain. To make it worldwide, they need to break through the British music market first. Did they do that, they get automatically played everywhere else. Lambert is from the US. A guy, who isn’t mainstream, who tends to wear make-up and freely talks (and sometimes sings ) about his sexuality when asked, is not, what that industry is looking for. Since he decided to live out, loud and proud, before he had mainstream success, his career never took off. And never will - not in the current US. Not even the best songwriters in the world will change that. Lady GaGa often faces similar disapproval. But she already has a big name.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Too much touring is overrated. What happened to a new album every year? I listened to that album by Adam from 2005... real Instruments! If he had continued in that direction, it would have been better. Too much generic dance music these days. My Chemical Romance were epic and hit the charts. MySpace helped them tremendously!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: It amazes me in this day and age, people like Sam Smith and Adele make it...and have made such a splash in the music world. To me, they don't rely on gimmcks, tits and ass to do the talking for them. I like some pop artists of today, Lady GaGa has proved also what she can do, and I think she's original in her music. She's the one breaking barriers these last few years with her music, style and career.

Smith and Adele are what the music industry is looking for: artists, who can sing and are likable. They are mainstream. Their songs aren’t too deep, but speak to most people. They are also from Britain. To make it worldwide, they need to break through the British music market first. Did they do that, they get automatically played everywhere else. Lambert is from the US. A guy, who isn’t mainstream, who tends to wear make-up and freely talks (and sometimes sings ) about his sexuality when asked, is not, what that industry is looking for. Since he decided to live out, loud and proud, before he had mainstream success, his career never took off. And never will - not in the current US. Not even the best songwriters in the world will change that. Lady GaGa often faces similar disapproval. But she already has a big name.

I think a good chunk of Sam's and Adele is deep. It's personal, and heartfelt, IMO. Not just singing for the sake of it, if that makes sense. I don't think AL being from the US, not being mainstream etc, has held him back. IMO. He isn't helping himself by spending more time with Brian and Roger touring. That's what is holding him back now, I think. I'm not saying you are making excuses for him in your post here, but very read quite a few excuses as to why his career is the way it is...or isn't.

Sealion wrote: Why should I find excuses for Lambert? I don’t care enough about his solo career, sorry. If it’s not true: Tell me just one worldwide mainstream male artist from the US, who lives or lived his life openly loud and proud as a gay artist. Then I stand corrected. I don’t think, AL‘s collaboration with B&R holds his solo career back. It started mainly after he had released 2 albums, right? I think, had he not collaborated with them, his career might have been over by now.

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: It amazes me in this day and age, people like Sam Smith and Adele make it...and have made such a splash in the music world. To me, they don't rely on gimmcks, tits and ass to do the talking for them. I like some pop artists of today, Lady GaGa has proved also what she can do, and I think she's original in her music. She's the one breaking barriers these last few years with her music, style and career.

Smith and Adele are what the music industry is looking for: artists, who can sing and are likable. They are mainstream. Their songs aren’t too deep, but speak to most people. They are also from Britain. To make it worldwide, they need to break through the British music market first. Did they do that, they get automatically played everywhere else. Lambert is from the US. A guy, who isn’t mainstream, who tends to wear make-up and freely talks (and sometimes sings ) about his sexuality when asked, is not, what that industry is looking for. Since he decided to live out, loud and proud, before he had mainstream success, his career never took off. And never will - not in the current US. Not even the best songwriters in the world will change that. Lady GaGa often faces similar disapproval. But she already has a big name.

I think a good chunk of Sam's and Adele is deep. It's personal, and heartfelt, IMO. Not just singing for the sake of it, if that makes sense. I don't think AL being from the US, not being mainstream etc, has held him back. IMO. He isn't helping himself by spending more time with Brian and Roger touring. That's what is holding him back now, I think. I'm not saying you are making excuses for him in your post here, but very read quite a few excuses as to why his career is the way it is...or isn't.

Why should I find excuses for Lambert? I don’t care enough about his solo career, sorry. If it’s not true: Tell me just one worldwide mainstream male artist from the US, who lives or lived his life openly, loud and proud as a gay artist. Then I stand corrected. I don’t think, AL‘s collaboration with B&R holds his solo career back. It started mainly after he had released 2 albums, right? I think, had he not collaborated with them, his career might have been over by now.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Too much touring is overrated. What happened to a new album every year? I listened to that album by Adam from 2005... real Instruments! If he had continued in that direction, it would have been better. Too much generic dance music these days. My Chemical Romance were epic and hit the charts. MySpace helped them tremendously!

anadamfan wrote: Do you mean the „bastard“ / unofficial album „Beg for Mercy“? He recorded that with his former band „The Citizin Vein“. All songs were written by Monte Pittman and Adam.

MisterCosmicc wrote: ... I was just curious on why he doesn't write songs or play an instrument. Anyone with inside-info?

rockchic65 wrote:

anadamfan wrote: Do you mean the „bastard“ / unofficial album „Beg for Mercy“? He recorded that with his former band „The Citizin Vein“. All songs were written by Monte Pittman and Adam.

Bastard album was released in 2011 though even though it was recorded well before he was on Idol.

anadamfan wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

anadamfan wrote: Do you mean the „bastard“ / unofficial album „Beg for Mercy“? He recorded that with his former band „The Citizin Vein“. All songs were written by Monte Pittman and Adam.

Bastard album was released in 2011 though even though it was recorded well before he was on Idol.

Yes. But that’s the album, that comes to my mind, when I think of real instruments.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Sealion wrote: Why should I find excuses for Lambert? I don’t care enough about his solo career, sorry. If it’s not true: Tell me just one worldwide mainstream male artist from the US, who lives or lived his life openly, loud and proud as a gay artist. Then I stand corrected. I don’t think, AL‘s collaboration with B&R holds his solo career back. It started mainly after he had released 2 albums, right? I think, had he not collaborated with them, his career might have been over by now.

Why must a gay, proud gay artist be from the US? Troye Sivan checks almost all your boxes, except he wasn't born in the States. Frank Ocean is bisexual although not gay. It bothers me alot when I read some say that because AL is gay is the reason his career the way it is. I agree with you...if not for touring with Brian and Roger, his career might be very well over by now. They gave him the biggest break and boost in the last few years than anything else.

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Sealion wrote: Why should I find excuses for Lambert? I don’t care enough about his solo career, sorry. If it’s not true: Tell me just one worldwide mainstream male artist from the US, who lives or lived his life openly, loud and proud as a gay artist. Then I stand corrected. I don’t think, AL‘s collaboration with B&R holds his solo career back. It started mainly after he had released 2 albums, right? I think, had he not collaborated with them, his career might have been over by now.

Why must a gay, proud gay artist be from the US? Troye Sivan checks almost all your boxes, except he wasn't born in the States. Frank Ocean is bisexual although not gay. It bothers me alot when I read some say that because AL is gay is the reason his career the way it is. I agree with you...if not for touring with Brian and Roger, his career might be very well over by now. They gave him the biggest break and boost in the last few years than anything else.

He should have better NOT been from the US in order to become a star. That‘s fact. I don’t know, why that bothers you. I‘m not from the US, but it’s known and very visible, that gay artists are not widely supported by the American music industry. And ten years ago, when Lambert‘s career started, it has been even worse. They simply didn’t exist. At least not officially. Frank Ocean might be bisexual, but he isn’t in-the-face gay like AL. He didn’t come out immediately. And he was later than Lambert. Troye was already successful, when he came to the US AND came on the scene much later. Both of them aren’t big international stars. Ocean more than Sivan though. Things are changing for the better. Although the current US president and his followers are unfortunately moving backwards. The USA are not close to be as accepting of queer people as many European countries are. I agree with you, that being gay shouldn’t be a matter, when becoming a successful artist (or anything else for that matter.) But all evidence proves the contrary for US artists. If you don’t see that, I‘m sorry for you.

Sealion wrote: @IronButterfly That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it. Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country. But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Sealion wrote: @IronButterfly That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it. Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country. But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal.

I don't see it for AL as much as some of his fans have claimed about homophobia. That's what I'm saying. Do I see homophobia? Sure, especially outside of the entertainment business. I'm not blind to it by the way.

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Sealion wrote: @IronButterfly That’s my last post on that topic, because if you don’t want to see it, you will never see it. Elton is British. He became successful in Britain. The American music industry has no problem with queer artists from other countries. Never had. I don’t know why, but they were and are always welcome. They are hip, because they are already stars in another country. But beware it’s one of their own... queer American artist usually didn’t even get the chance of a record deal.

I don't see it for AL as much as some of his fans have claimed about homophobia. That's what I'm saying. Do I see homophobia? Sure, especially outside of the entertainment business. I'm not blind to it by the way.

What I said goes for all American singers, not only Lambert. He’s just the one, this topic is about.

Sealion wrote: @anadamfan It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Sealion wrote: @anadamfan It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band.

You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer. Adam needs a fucking band!

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Sealion wrote: @anadamfan It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band.

You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer. Adam needs a fucking band!

Iron Butterfly wrote: I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.

Having listened to all his solo albums I'd say apart from WWFM and Ghost Town they didn't pick the best songs to release as singles. Some of it was his label, I know they insisted on BTIKM and NCOE, not sure about the others but there were some better songs on his albums than the one's that got released IMO. Many people will never have heard most of his stuff if they only listen to what's played on radio. But then the one's I would have preferred might have been crap to everyone else so who knows, music is very subjective.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Sealion wrote: @anadamfan It sounds like AL would be best placed in a band.

You got that right! Adam needs to be in a damn band! He can't play an instrument or write songs... he likes working with people apparently, a band would be great for him. He's not George Michael or even comparable... George Michael is a multi-instrumentalist and a great song writer. Adam needs a fucking band!

He'd probably do great with a band and he does love collaborating but I also think he only loves it if he's mainly the one in charge of things as well. The dynamic in a band started together is like Queen were, everyone having their say and making decisions and that leads to conflict. As a solo artist with a hired backing band he can have control and say how he wants things done to a certain extent. I don't recall George playing instruments live on stage, not the stuff I've seen, he used to use backing bands/orchestra's which is only the same thing Adam does. I don't think Adam's as lacking in musical knowledge as people seem to think, he knows how to put an idea he has across to a musician who can then interpret what he wants, he's always rearranged songs when doing them live, sometimes pretty last minute with his backing bands.

rockchic65 wrote: I don't recall George playing instruments live on stage, not the stuff I've seen, he used to use backing bands/orchestra's which is only the same thing Adam does. I don't think Adam's as lacking in musical knowledge as people seem to think, he knows how to put an idea he has across to a musician who can then interpret what he wants, he's always rearranged songs when doing them live, sometimes pretty last minute with his backing bands.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I have often thought about how AL would do with a band. I do think he needs better music before anything else. I say that as someone who likes some of his music.

Having listened to all his solo albums I'd say apart from WWFM and Ghost Town they didn't pick the best songs to release as singles. Some of it was his label, I know they insisted on BTIKM and NCOE, not sure about the others but there were some better songs on his albums than the one's that got released IMO. Many people will never have heard most of his stuff if they only listen to what's played on radio. But then the one's I would have preferred might have been crap to everyone else so who knows, music is very subjective.

MisterCosmicc wrote: That's because Adam has absolutely no control! If there were four or five people in the band, the record company would be more lenient. Enough of the stupid bubblegum pop. Adam will be 40 in a couple years, time to release some music to entertain adults, not little boys.

Sealion wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: That's because Adam has absolutely no control! If there were four or five people in the band, the record company would be more lenient. Enough of the stupid bubblegum pop. Adam will be 40 in a couple years, time to release some music to entertain adults, not little boys.

Do you actually believe that a band has more control, because they are more people? That’s bullshit, sorry. It’s true, that artists don’t have much control on the music though. They are in their label‘s hands. All of them. A reason, why more and more artists more often change labels or try more independent ways. From what I‘ve heard Lambert is someone, who at least tries to stand up and defends his opinions. A reason, why he left his first label. He didn’t want to do, what they suggested.

Sealion wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: That's because Adam has absolutely no control! If there were four or five people in the band, the record company would be more lenient. Enough of the stupid bubblegum pop. Adam will be 40 in a couple years, time to release some music to entertain adults, not little boys.

Do you actually believe that a band has more control, because they are more people? That’s bullshit, sorry. It’s true, that artists don’t have much control on the music though. They are in their label‘s hands. All of them. A reason, why more and more artists more often change labels or try more independent ways. From what I‘ve heard Lambert is someone, who at least tries to stand up and defends his opinions. A reason, why he left his first label. He didn’t want to do, what they suggested.

MisterCosmicc wrote: It depends on the band. Is it something like One Direction? Of course they don't have control. Bubblegum pop folks aren't in control. Adam, from what I've heard, has had label issues from day one, and probably had a poor contract. Nearly everything Adam has done was manipulated by record companies, from the song writing to the releases. He's got a contract that puts others in control of his music. He only sings, so that's all that matters to record companies in terms of him. Rock bands have more say than a bubblegum pop artist does. Except for bands like Smash Mouth, and that's understandable.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Yeah, if he got rid of those stupid publishing deals with other song writers maybe he could get some where. Record companies love it when people work with them, it's a form of manipulation. As for Brian and Roger? They can't even get good record deals anymore. Unless Adam Lambert gets rid of the bubblegum pop, he'll stay just where he is. In a few years, he'll be in his 40's and little boys won't find him so interesting anymore. He better hurry up!

Sealion wrote: Maybe he wanted to do his own music instead of another Max Martin produced album with songs, that he apparently didn’t have too much input in?

Iron Butterfly wrote: I have just dug a little bit. Apparently, AL didn't want to do an 80s cover album. Which I find strange since he has been touring with Brian and Roger for years now...singing cover songs.

Iron Butterfly wrote: I have just dug a little bit. Apparently, AL didn't want to do an 80s cover album. Which I find strange since he has been touring with Brian and Roger for years now...singing cover songs.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I have just dug a little bit. Apparently, AL didn't want to do an 80s cover album. Which I find strange since he has been touring with Brian and Roger for years now...singing cover songs.

That's from 2013. In 2015, he signed to Warner Brothers... but brought along Max Martin... which isn't good. Max Martin has done some nice production (Bryan Adam's Cloud #9 for instance) but usually he's writing songs to impress 12 year olds.

Iron Butterfly wrote: I have just dug a little bit. Apparently, AL didn't want to do an 80s cover album. Which I find strange since he has been touring with Brian and Roger for years now...singing cover songs.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Brian and Roger should help Adam get a band and leave it at that. Adam feels obligated to tour with them.

Iron Butterfly wrote: My point still stands however. He didn't want to do an album of 80s music, but still went on tour with Brian and Roger singing their music. It's also strange in his recent appearances he sings other people's music. Days ago, once again a cover song which he ended up singing WWTLF. It's puzzling.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Brian and Roger should help Adam get a band and leave it at that. Adam feels obligated to tour with them.

Genuine question...why should they help him get a band? If AL was to get a band he should get one himself. Only he knows who will gel with, and stuff like that. And this might come across as snarky...not as if Brian and Roger have done enough for AL by now.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Why are you solely focused on live stuff? I don't give a shit about Adam's live performances, he's terrible. I'm talking about making music... not reproducing it on stage. Adam needs a band if he wants to get further ahead. He has no control over his releases or anything. The only thing he has control of is the poor way he struts on stage like an obese man. If he wants to further his talent, he needs to form a great band.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: My point still stands however. He didn't want to do an album of 80s music, but still went on tour with Brian and Roger singing their music. It's also strange in his recent appearances he sings other people's music. Days ago, once again a cover song which he ended up singing WWTLF. It's puzzling.

He has no new music to promote so he sings whatever he feels fits the situation. Aside from the Sag Aftra one the other night the previous one was celebrating Wicked's 15th year anniversary and everyone there had to sing something from the show. He was called up and asked to do that song since he'd previously played the part in the Wicked production. The other one he recorded recently was for the Elvis special to recreate an Elvis show so obviously everyone had to sing Elvis songs.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Yeah, if he got rid of those stupid publishing deals with other song writers maybe he could get some where. Record companies love it when people work with them, it's a form of manipulation. As for Brian and Roger? They can't even get good record deals anymore.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Hmm. I wonder if what he sings is what he chooses to sing. I get Wicked more than I get WWTLF...there are so many more songs from so many more movies that he could have done? Time For Miracles perhaps? Thinking out loud.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Why are you solely focused on live stuff? I don't give a shit about Adam's live performances, he's terrible. I'm talking about making music... not reproducing it on stage. Adam needs a band if he wants to get further ahead. He has no control over his releases or anything. The only thing he has control of is the poor way he struts on stage like an obese man. If he wants to further his talent, he needs to form a great band.

He previously said his album was finished then suddenly went back to writing/recording so clearly he was either sacked or walked from his label. My guess is they wouldn't support whatever direction he's wanting to go in and he wasn't prepared to compromise. He's done it before and I wouldn't blame him for doing it again. You might think he has no control but from things he's said in the past year he sounds like he's unwilling to keep compromising and is prepared to wait it out until he gets what he wants. He obviously doesn't want a band or he'd have started one originally. I doubt that would make any difference regards the label situation and it's just more people to compromise with.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Yeah, if he got rid of those stupid publishing deals with other song writers maybe he could get some where. Record companies love it when people work with them, it's a form of manipulation. As for Brian and Roger? They can't even get good record deals anymore.

I already said the songwriters he's working with currently are friends. And what makes you think B & R can't get good deals anymore, they haven't been trying to record music so how would you know?

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Brian and Roger should help Adam get a band and leave it at that. Adam feels obligated to tour with them.

Genuine question...why should they help him get a band? If AL was to get a band he should get one himself. Only he knows who will gel with, and stuff like that. And this might come across as snarky...not as if Brian and Roger have done enough for AL by now.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Yeah, if he got rid of those stupid publishing deals with other song writers maybe he could get some where. Record companies love it when people work with them, it's a form of manipulation. As for Brian and Roger? They can't even get good record deals anymore.

I already said the songwriters he's working with currently are friends. And what makes you think B & R can't get good deals anymore, they haven't been trying to record music so how would you know?

The music business never ends. Hollywood and Island Record's treatment of 'Queen Forever' and the stupid remixed single of 'Let Me In Your Heart Again' proved that. Hollywood Records has never once promoted Queen or Freddie Mercury on their social media accounts. Not once!

MisterCosmicc wrote: A person in control would get their music released no matter what. It's not hard... especially with money to throw around.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam has the money and power to release music on his own, he doesn't need a label. In fact, he'll make way more money on his own, he'll just need a distributing deal.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Brian and Roger should help Adam get a band and leave it at that. Adam feels obligated to tour with them.

Genuine question...why should they help him get a band? If AL was to get a band he should get one himself. Only he knows who will gel with, and stuff like that. And this might come across as snarky...not as if Brian and Roger have done enough for AL by now.

No idea if they help him with anything but I'm sure they would if he wanted, they previously said "maybe we should be part of his recording future". As far as they're concerned the arrangement is mutually beneficial, they all get to tour and have fun while they're doing it, they don't see it as doing him a favour, it works both ways.

Iron Butterfly wrote: AL needs to find his own way/s...to be independent and Brian Roger won't be around forever, what then?

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: AL needs to find his own way/s...to be independent and Brian Roger won't be around forever, what then?

I'm sure he is finding his own way.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: A person in control would get their music released no matter what. It's not hard... especially with money to throw around.

Not that easy, when you choose to walk away from a record label there's often a clause that stops you releasing new music for x amount of time, It took Kesha four years to settle a legal dispute with Sony and in that time she couldn't release any new music. They also own the rights to any music you've already started recording so if that was the case for Adam he'd have to start again from scratch with the writing/recording process.

Iron Butterfly wrote: I admire your faith in the guy. I wish him the best...but I do think he needs to cut the apron strings with Cowell, Brian, Roger, branch out more. It's going to be a test for him once Q+AL ends.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Oh my God, that crappy "Kesha" is irrelevant. She was signed the whole time those four years with Sony and that crappy Dr. Luke guy. When you're signed to a record label, and then you file lawsuits at them, and also dealing with mental health issues, things tend not to get accomplished. She publicly acknowledged that she wanted to be dismissed by the label. Adam apparently has been dismissed from Warner Brothers. After being dismissed by a record label, you can still make and release music. I'd bet you anything that nothing is preventing him from doing so. He could easily do it independently, as I've mentioned. Hell, he's got enough money to form his own record label.

MisterCosmicc wrote: You’re right. His music doesn’t mean much to me, nor does his love performance. However, it’d be neat to see him in a rock band making rock songs.

SweetCaroline wrote: Who said they don’t like Adam strutting on stage because he is obese? link

Iron Butterfly wrote: I can't see him doing a full rock album, or have a full rock band. I'd be interested if that did happen. It just that he changes his mind about his sound and genre. Remember the blusey feel he said he was going for?

MisterCosmicc wrote: I never called him obese. I said he struts around stage like an obese guy. He's slow on stage, those legs of his. He likes to stand in place or walk slowly. He's definitely not an athletic performer.

rockchic65 wrote: Maybe that's one of the problems, he's not just one thing, you can't put a label on him and say he's pop or rock or blues or funk because he mixes it all together.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Hearing that album with Adam and real instruments was GREAT! I didn't like it, but I enjoyed it. Hearing his "official" albums with all that electronic bullshit... no doubt on which one I prefer. Plus look at his live music with Queen. He's not a hard rock vocalist like Freddie can be, but he sounds alright with real instruments. I think it'd be great to hear album with a band, in fact, maybe I'd buy an album of his if he released an album with the majority of instruments being the typical drums, guitars, bass, etc.

Mr Right wrote: AL cannot write songs / play instruments but does a great impersonation of a goat with his tongue hanging out! fake performer and always a puppet on stage.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: But he is not a songwriter, so don't pretend he is. That just detracts from the things he IS good at.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: I never called him obese. I said he struts around stage like an obese guy. He's slow on stage, those legs of his. He likes to stand in place or walk slowly. He's definitely not an athletic performer.

No he's not a run around type guy, I have seen him do that occasionally but then he doesn't need to be that type of performer, he's not meant to be copying Freddie he has his own way of doing things. Lots of performers don't run around, they can't all be Dave Grohl types.

Sealion wrote:
I had been wondering, whom you are talking about? Slow on stage? Come on. I mean, I‘ve only seen him 4 times now, but I never noticed that. Sure, he isn’t as energetic like Freddie or Grohl. But AL is almost constantly moving around. Personally, I would be already pretty exhausted just after that AOBTD in the video. :-) He‘s slower, when he’s wearing boots with huge heels, I guess. I think running around in these would even look stupid. ;-)
To add: I would be more than happy with a body like his... maybe I should do more

He is moving a lot of the time just not the running back and forth type some do. In his solo shows because they're more pop oriented he dances quite a bit but it really wouldn't look right with Queen music although he does do it for fun sometimes. I've never had the impression he's lazy on stage he's just a different type of performer. And yeah the heels don't really work for running around unless he want's to do a Dave Grohl and break his leg.

Sealion wrote: @rockchic65 I know, how you meant it. ;-) Thing is, that your discussion made it sound, as if AL behaves on stage like an opera singer: standing around, only moving a few steps here or there. While the truth is, that he’s perfectly working the whole stage. The biggest stage Queen never had...

SweetCaroline wrote: I wish we could stand Adam and Freddie side by side to measure the length of their legs. Adam’s 6 ft. 3 in. frame is mostly legs!

SweetCaroline wrote: I wish we could stand Adam and Freddie side by side to measure the length of their legs. Adam’s 6 ft. 3 in. frame is mostly legs!

SweetCaroline wrote: I wish we could stand Adam and Freddie side by side to measure the length of their legs. Adam’s 6 ft. 3 in. frame is mostly legs!

MisterCosmicc wrote: What's crazy is Adam's albums chart in the top ten, but then they just disappear and don't even reach gold status!

Mr Right wrote: VOCAL HARMONY Elvis and Sinatra where not manufactured on a reality crap show like American idol so get your facts right and for the record i am a long way from been called an idiot. Grow up or get back on the streets you tart.

rockchic65 wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: But he is not a songwriter, so don't pretend he is. That just detracts from the things he IS good at.

I'd love to know how people "know" he's no songwriter? He wrote songs prior to Idol with Monty Pitman, he wrote Aftermath with Alisan Porter prior to Idol then used it on his first album and also as a charity single. He co wrote the original high song which they changed once he was signed with Warner and Max started working with him, the original demo is on YouTube as well as the released one. Not saying he's gonna be the greatest songwriter in the world but he has more input than people give him credit for and it's obvious which songs are very personal to him and which he's had a large hand in. Broken Open is one and Chokehold, both one's he's explained what he wrote them about. Yeah they're all collaborations, he didn't write them solo but they do reflect his personal opinions and feelings about things. To clarify, what I mean is I see that differently from the songs he was just given to sing from other people with no input or personal meaning. I don't see it matters if he actually wrote the all the words so long as the message is personal. Not saying there's anything wrong with singing other people's music either, both ways work fine and he does both.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Writing lyrics is not the same as writing songs. If you can't play any instrument, it's extremely unlikely that you're capable of writing songs. That is quite aside from quality, whether or not you can write *good* songs. It means you don't have the tools or the specialist knowledge. To put it in a metaphor: no matter how good you are at playing the guitar, it says nothing about your skill at building a guitar.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Elvis might not've been manufactured on a reality show, but he was definitely moulded, shaped and exploited by an all-powerful management (the colonel).

Sealion wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Elvis might not've been manufactured on a reality show, but he was definitely moulded, shaped and exploited by an all-powerful management (the colonel).

I would even rather call Elvis manufactured, to tell the truth. Yes, Lambert came to the big scene via a TV show. But before and after, he at least tried to do his own thing. Elvis on the other hand was always in the hand of his manager. I remember my mother saying, that she had always hoped for a tour of his in Europe, but he had his contract in Vegas and couldn’t leave. His manager made sure, Elvis stayed in the US, because he himself wasn’t allowed to leave the country.

SweetCaroline wrote: I think they both are/were very special performers.

MisterCosmicc wrote: I imagine the songs are recorded before Adam is aware they exist, and then he reviews which ones he likes.

SweetCaroline wrote: I wish we could stand Adam and Freddie side by side to measure the length of their legs. Adam’s 6 ft. 3 in. frame is mostly legs!

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I can't see him doing a full rock album, or have a full rock band. I'd be interested if that did happen. It just that he changes his mind about his sound and genre. Remember the blusey feel he said he was going for?

He's said from day one that genre doesn't matter and he likes so many different styles of music that he seems to want to put them all on one album. Maybe that's one of the problems, he's not just one thing, you can't put a label on him and say he's pop or rock or blues or funk because he mixes it all together. He sounds like he's more sure what he wants to do on this album but even recent comments sound as if it's still gonna be a mix of genre's, whether that will work is anyone's guess. He's still taking blues, soul, glam rock but with a more modern feel, whatever he means by that. The consistent thing is he's said it's all gonna be real instruments not electronic EDM type stuff and he's mentioned getting back to the influences that first inspired him to get into it, so Queen, Bowie, Prince and George Michael. It was Mister Cosmicc calling him obese in an earlier reply to me.

Holly2003 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: I think they both are/were very special performers.

They're not equals.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: I imagine the songs are recorded before Adam is aware they exist, and then he reviews which ones he likes.

The ones he was given to record that were already written by other people would have been like WWFM which was written by Pink and Max Martin and quite a few others but the one's he's had input with likely weren't, especially the one's he works on with friends. He wrote one with one of the judges on Idol which they worked on together and on his last album he spent three months in Stockholm doing nothing but go into the studio with a team and come up with songs and then record them. He went to writing workshop in France between tour legs last year, he clearly likes to have input even if he doesn't write the whole thing.

Holly2003 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: I wish we could stand Adam and Freddie side by side to measure the length of their legs. Adam’s 6 ft. 3 in. frame is mostly legs!

Adam is taller than Fred vs. Fred wrote Bohemian Rhapsody. I wonder in the years to come which of those facts will be most celebrated. :D :D :D

Iron Butterfly wrote: AL is still in contact with Cowell these days. I wish All would leave those type of shows behind, and move on from it. PS..I don't need or want to see links or pics of AL and Cowell together, sweetcaroline.

MisterCosmicc wrote: WWFM? What the fuck is that? Can we do away with the initials and learn to type shit out? You're fully capable of typing out a huge paragraph but can't write out the title of a song?

Sealion wrote: About AL being“manufactured“: I found it surprising to learn, that American Idol worked completely different from X-factor or The Voice. The contestants chose their songs out of about 100 provided ones each week all by themselves. They learnt and rehearsed them all by themselves, with a little help by a few behind the scenes crew and musicians. No mentors were involved in how they staged their songs or presented themselves. The judges were only there for the castings and live shows. They weren’t allowed to talk to them, other than in the show. The judges had no possibility to influence the results of a show. Only the audience decided in the live shows. After the show ended, Simon Cowell didn’t manage anyone of them. That would happen on X-factor. I learnt all that, after my surprise, that Adam once said, that he hadn’t been in contact with Cowell since idol. That was about 2 years ago or so. I wouldn’t call any artist coming from that show manufactured.

Iron Butterfly wrote: AL is still in contact with Cowell these days. I wish All would leave those type of shows behind, and move on from it. PS..I don't need or want to see links or pics of AL and Cowell together, sweetcaroline.

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: AL is still in contact with Cowell these days. I wish All would leave those type of shows behind, and move on from it. PS..I don't need or want to see links or pics of AL and Cowell together, sweetcaroline.

Those must be new. I was looking for a connection about two-three years ago. There was none. Nothing in the whole WWW since idol. Wasn’t he a judge on one of his shows not long ago? Maybe the connection got renewed.

rockchic65 wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Writing lyrics is not the same as writing songs. If you can't play any instrument, it's extremely unlikely that you're capable of writing songs. That is quite aside from quality, whether or not you can write *good* songs. It means you don't have the tools or the specialist knowledge. To put it in a metaphor: no matter how good you are at playing the guitar, it says nothing about your skill at building a guitar.

I take your point I just think if you have technical knowledge of singing and by that I mean you have the knowledge of what key and note etc you're singing then you could theoretically come up with a melody line in your head and sing it to someone who plays an instrument the same way someone can just play something by ear on a piano for example. I know Adam changes the arrangement of a lot of his songs when touring solo or works with the band to come up with arrangements of covers he decides to do last minute. He obviously needs them to play what he's thinking but between them they can work it out so the same in theory can apply when writing new music. Not saying he does, just that he could. At the end of the day though it doesn't really matter, like you said lots of singers never write music and it doesn't hold them back. They can't all be multi skilled.

rockchic65 wrote: Yeah X Factor is completely different, it's Simon's own show and the judges all mentor the contestants, choose the songs or at least have input into it etc. Idol was created by Simon Fuller and Cowell was only a judge, he didn't have any sway over it and his record company weren't involved, nineteen was the label they got signed to from Idol, part of RCA.

Sealion wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: Yeah X Factor is completely different, it's Simon's own show and the judges all mentor the contestants, choose the songs or at least have input into it etc. Idol was created by Simon Fuller and Cowell was only a judge, he didn't have any sway over it and his record company weren't involved, nineteen was the label they got signed to from Idol, part of RCA.

I found it especially interesting, because I always felt, that the judges or mentors have too much influence after the contestants made the show. They can’t really decide on anything. They got pushed into a genre and an image. And I think, that‘s what people here mean with“manufactured“. At least that’s what I understand by it. ;-) BUT that didn’t really happen on the show, that AL was on. The performances were his. The song choices as well. The clothes and most other things as well. If I had been an artist, I would have gone to that show. The others only exist to promote the judges and make money for the producer, who gets a fresh, young artist in the end. One that he has certainly pushed behind the scenes. And who will fade away after a year or two. Because that artist just fitted a bill, but didn’t necessarily have enough talent.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Out of all the singing shows out there, I almost wish AL was on The Voice instead of Idol.

Sealion wrote:

rockchic65 wrote: Yeah X Factor is completely different, it's Simon's own show and the judges all mentor the contestants, choose the songs or at least have input into it etc. Idol was created by Simon Fuller and Cowell was only a judge, he didn't have any sway over it and his record company weren't involved, nineteen was the label they got signed to from Idol, part of RCA.

I found it especially interesting, because I always felt, that the judges or mentors have too much influence after the contestants made the show. They can’t really decide on anything. They got pushed into a genre and an image. And I think, that‘s what people here mean with“manufactured“. At least that’s what I understand by it. ;-) BUT that didn’t really happen on the show, that AL was on. The performances were his. The song choices as well. The clothes and most other things as well. If I had been an artist, I would have gone to that show. The others only exist to promote the judges and make money for the producer, who gets a fresh, young artist in the end. One that he has certainly pushed behind the scenes. And who will fade away after a year or two. Because that artist just fitted a bill, but didn’t necessarily have enough talent.

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's theoretically possible, but not very likely. There's a lot more to writing a song than meets the ear: harmonies, part-writing and the likes can be extremely demanding, unless you're happy to end up with a string of musical cliches. The scenario you describe reminds me of Irving Berlin. A great lyricist, to be sure, who gets shared credit for the music on his songs - Berlin came up with wonderful melodies, but did not have the know-how to turn them into songs. So, he used the services of others to set his pieces to music. And, remember, Irving Berlin is probably the absolute best-case-scenario in the real world of someone without much technical knowledge of an instrumentalist of some kind in writing songs.

SweetCaroline wrote: “They’re not equals.” Right! My son always says that Freddie was like a Thunderbird and Adam is a Lamborghini.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: WWFM? What the fuck is that? Can we do away with the initials and learn to type shit out? You're fully capable of typing out a huge paragraph but can't write out the title of a song?

Sorry you appeared to be familiar with some of his songs so I assumed you would know that one being the most well known - it's Whataya Want From Me, the second single of his first album.

MisterCosmicc wrote: 'Take One' is Adam's greatest album.

rockchic65 wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's theoretically possible, but not very likely. There's a lot more to writing a song than meets the ear: harmonies, part-writing and the likes can be extremely demanding, unless you're happy to end up with a string of musical cliches. The scenario you describe reminds me of Irving Berlin. A great lyricist, to be sure, who gets shared credit for the music on his songs - Berlin came up with wonderful melodies, but did not have the know-how to turn them into songs. So, he used the services of others to set his pieces to music. And, remember, Irving Berlin is probably the absolute best-case-scenario in the real world of someone without much technical knowledge of an instrumentalist of some kind in writing songs.

Yeah I'm not saying he does that, he's been asked plenty times about which songs he wrote but no one seems to have asked if he had a hand in putting together the actual music as opposed to just the lyrics so I don't really know if he does that with new songs, I just know he does help with rearranging songs he covers etc. He does have a basic knowledge of piano etc, his brother plays piano but Adam gave it up.

Mr Right wrote: And Lambert has never had a UK number one album or single soooooooooooooo pretty naff artist i would say.

Mr Right wrote: And Lambert has never had a UK number one album or single soooooooooooooo pretty naff artist i would say.

SweetCaroline wrote: Yup, Adam has a lot in common with Queen. That’s why Brian and Roger love him so much!

anadamfan wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

thomasquinn 32989 wrote: It's theoretically possible, but not very likely. There's a lot more to writing a song than meets the ear: harmonies, part-writing and the likes can be extremely demanding, unless you're happy to end up with a string of musical cliches. The scenario you describe reminds me of Irving Berlin. A great lyricist, to be sure, who gets shared credit for the music on his songs - Berlin came up with wonderful melodies, but did not have the know-how to turn them into songs. So, he used the services of others to set his pieces to music. And, remember, Irving Berlin is probably the absolute best-case-scenario in the real world of someone without much technical knowledge of an instrumentalist of some kind in writing songs.

Yeah I'm not saying he does that, he's been asked plenty times about which songs he wrote but no one seems to have asked if he had a hand in putting together the actual music as opposed to just the lyrics so I don't really know if he does that with new songs, I just know he does help with rearranging songs he covers etc. He does have a basic knowledge of piano etc, his brother plays piano but Adam gave it up.

He sings or hums melodies and makes musicians play these. He knows, what beat he wants, what kind of instrumentation, how a song is supposed to sound. That’s much more than just writing lyrics.

SweetCaroline wrote: “Adam Lambert is a modern-day polymath.” link

SweetCaroline wrote: How many looks did Freddie have? Adam is not Ed Sheeran or Adam Levine or Sam Smith.

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam is not Ed Sheeran or Adam Levine or Sam Smith.

Holly2003 wrote: You need to stop comparing your boy to Fred -- he's always going to come off second best. Except Lambert had longer legs. Bo Rap, Live Aid, Barcelona etc vs. longer legs. Hmm...

Holly2003 wrote: Looks like he will adopt any look to try to find an audience. And to think there is a 40-page thread here asking if Lambert is a rock star. Utterly ridiculous.

SweetCaroline wrote: How many looks did Freddie have? Adam is not Ed Sheeran or Adam Levine or Sam Smith.

Holly2003 wrote: Looks like he will adopt any look to try to find an audience. And to think there is a 40-page thread here asking if Lambert is a rock star. Utterly ridiculous.

Liliane wrote: Holly2003, what about first openly gay artist to have a number 1 album on the billboard charts? As a solo artist. Yup, not Elton John, nor Freddie Mercury, nor George Michael, nor Sam Smith...but Adam Lambert. Sure, you could argue the album did not sell all that well in the end but it still opened at number 1 and all three of his solo albums opened in the top 3 at the Billboard Charts. He's also Grammy-nominated and an gay icon who has inspired many people to be exactly who they are. Honestly, I have seen Bohemian Rhapsody and it makes me want to know more about Freddie. From all accounts, Freddie seems to be a beautiful person and a brilliant musician/artist. I have the highest respect for him both as a person and as an artist but frankly, I am appalled at the behavior of some of his fans on here. From the little that I know, Freddie was not always seen to be this semi-god when he was alive and he had his own share of detractors. Who knows what is going to happen with Adam and his career at the end? He's been around since only 2009. Might be too early to judge yet.

SweetCaroline wrote: “How many looks did Freddie have?” That was a rhetorical question. I know how many looks he had and his different costumes. Do you want me to post a link for YOU?

SweetCaroline wrote: “How many looks did Freddie have?” That was a rhetorical question. I know how many looks he had and his different costumes. Do you want me to post a link for YOU?

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy, I was responding to the Sealion post just before mine. My phone does not let me post other people’s posts to respond to. Keep up, girl. Did you see the movie yet? I might be seeing it again today with my son.

SweetCaroline wrote: I answered. Read Sealion’s post. I’m not going to repeat everything because you think I should answer only you. Sealion listed a lot of things about Queen that I said Adam had in common.

Holly2003 wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: “They’re not equals.” Right! My son always says that Freddie was like a Thunderbird and Adam is a Lamborghini.

Fred is both of those, and also the Batmobile, a Delorean, a Ferrari F1, and the Compact Pussycat. Lambert is a grown man on a kids tricycle compared to the Fredster.

SweetCaroline wrote: Yup, Adam has a lot in common with Queen. That’s why Brian and Roger love him so much!

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam Lambert is ashamed of his freckled face. He wears makeup 24/7.

MisterCosmicc wrote: These Adam Lambert worshippers remind me of Trump worshippers to be honest.

SweetCaroline wrote: Mister Cosmicc, Adam is not ashamed of his freckles. He has been a cute strawberry blonde all of his life. If he ends up bald some day like Peter Gabriel, that will be a shock because he has such a gorgeous head of hair!

MisterCosmicc wrote: I wonder if these Adam Lambert worshippers would even be on this forum if he was 400 lbs.

MisterCosmicc wrote: I mean if he was physically very unattractive, since the beginning. I doubt many would have been interested.

MisterCosmicc wrote: I mean if he was physically very unattractive, since the beginning. I doubt many would have been interested.

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy, annoying, negative people like you are more than staggering!

MisterCosmicc wrote: These Adam Lambert worshippers remind me of Trump worshippers to be honest.

SweetCaroline wrote: Your father being ill doesn’t give you the excuse to be nasty. If anything it should make you more kind and understanding.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: These Adam Lambert worshippers remind me of Trump worshippers to be honest.

What's really funny is the QAL part of the forum was pretty much dead these last few weeks and then you started this thread and kept asking questions and replying to our answers so how does that make us worshipers? I guess the lesson is ignore anyone we know isn't a Lambert fan maybe?

SweetCaroline wrote: My son just got back from seeing “Bohemian Rhapsody” and he absolutely loved it. I didn’t go because it was such a late show. He thinks it was well done and can see Rami getting nominated.

Iron Butterfly wrote: There hasn't been much Q+,AL news these last few weeks for one thing. Unless we want sweetcaroline trying her damnest trying to keep the threads going by posting everything AL is up too, in some cases, post after post right after each other. AL doesn't even know when his next music will be released. In the meantime, he has sang cover songs in his recent solo appearances. There is not that much news going on right now.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: These Adam Lambert worshippers remind me of Trump worshippers to be honest.

What's really funny is the QAL part of the forum was pretty much dead these last few weeks and then you started this thread and kept asking questions and replying to our answers so how does that make us worshipers? I guess the lesson is ignore anyone we know isn't a Lambert fan maybe?

MisterCosmicc wrote: I heard about Mary Lambert touring with Queen and Adam and had to keep everyone up-to-date. I couldn't believe it.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: There hasn't been much Q+,AL news these last few weeks for one thing. Unless we want sweetcaroline trying her damnest trying to keep the threads going by posting everything AL is up too, in some cases, post after post right after each other. AL doesn't even know when his next music will be released. In the meantime, he has sang cover songs in his recent solo appearances. There is not that much news going on right now.

That's what I mean't, the only thing being posted on here were links to red carpet pics, the odd award show speech or solo performance etc but no one was commenting until Mister Cosmicc started this thread, just struck me as odd that a non Adam fan was talking about him more than his fans. He's apparently on Strictly on Sunday Dec 2nd but as far as I know it's a solo performance so no idea what he'll sing.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Hmmm. Well, I kept seeing Adam brought into the conversation by his worshippers, even on articles written by teenyboppers. About how he should have played Freddie in the film, etc.

Mr Right wrote: And Lambert has never had a UK number one album or single soooooooooooooo pretty naff artist i would say.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: There hasn't been much Q+,AL news these last few weeks for one thing. Unless we want sweetcaroline trying her damnest trying to keep the threads going by posting everything AL is up too, in some cases, post after post right after each other. AL doesn't even know when his next music will be released. In the meantime, he has sang cover songs in his recent solo appearances. There is not that much news going on right now.

That's what I mean't, the only thing being posted on here were links to red carpet pics, the odd award show speech or solo performance etc but no one was commenting until Mister Cosmicc started this thread, just struck me as odd that a non Adam fan was talking about him more than his fans. He's apparently on Strictly on Sunday Dec 2nd but as far as I know it's a solo performance so no idea what he'll sing.

SweetCaroline wrote: AL is original in his performance skills. He gets a lot of grief for his original music but I think his strength has been in the original way he interprets the music of others, including all of those outstanding performances on Idol and recently with Queen. I was first attracted to him when he performed “Satisfaction” and was completely blown away by his “Ring of Fire.” Then I found out about his gorgeous musical theater performances pre-Idol of “Come To Me Bend To Me” and “Is Anybody Listening?” He has not had that one big super hit that has put other artists on the map. Instead he is that guy who brings his own personal touch to whatever he performs. He is that “polymath” who doesn’t like to be stuck in one place or one genre of music!

Iron Butterfly wrote: What is Strictly?

SweetCaroline wrote: AL is original in his performance skills. He gets a lot of grief for his original music but I think his strength has been in the original way he interprets the music of others, including all of those outstanding performances on Idol and recently with Queen. I was first attracted to him when he performed “Satisfaction” and was completely blown away by his “Ring of Fire.” Then I found out about his gorgeous musical theater performances pre-Idol of “Come To Me Bend To Me” and “Is Anybody Listening?” He has not had that one big super hit that has put other artists on the map. Instead he is that guy who brings his own personal touch to whatever he performs. He is that “polymath” who doesn’t like to be stuck in one place or one genre of music!

Mr Right wrote: VH Rush have had success in other countries as a rock band and they were original, were AL is not.

SweetCaroline wrote: AL is original in his performance skills. He gets a lot of grief for his original music but I think his strength has been in the original way he interprets the music of others, including all of those outstanding performances on Idol and recently with Queen. I was first attracted to him when he performed “Satisfaction” and was completely blown away by his “Ring of Fire.” Then I found out about his gorgeous musical theater performances pre-Idol of “Come To Me Bend To Me” and “Is Anybody Listening?” He has not had that one big super hit that has put other artists on the map. Instead he is that guy who brings his own personal touch to whatever he performs. He is that “polymath” who doesn’t like to be stuck in one place or one genre of music!

MisterCosmicc wrote: "Attracted" "Gorgeous" (Performances aren't "gorgeous") I wonder what kind of guys make love to Adam's butt at night. Has he opened up about the men that penetrate him yet?

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: "Attracted" "Gorgeous" (Performances aren't "gorgeous") I wonder what kind of guys make love to Adam's butt at night. Has he opened up about the men that penetrate him yet?

Interesting you think he's a bottom, actually he's a top, he's been asked that question quite a few times.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam isn't too bright, musically. If he was, he'd be more diverse, and he'd also be more than just a "performer." The things he learns tend to have to do with Queen... and Queen's fans know more about that. You act like Adam is a genius, but he's actually a typical pop star that can't even get a good album deal. Even more interesting, is he's a pop star that can't even write a song and his worshippers tend to make excuses for him constantly. Oh Kathy, you're teapot is boiling over.

MisterCosmicc wrote: I hope he washes off before he lets them give him a few licks on the lollipop!

MisterCosmicc wrote: “Singing his songs every night, I feel very close to Freddie,” says Lambert. “I wish I had his heavier tone, for sure. He smoked like a chimney and he’s got that real strong mid-chest voice. The way he attacks the note, it’s bad ass, it’s sexy, powerful.

rockchic65 wrote: You really are full of wrong preconceptions about him aren't you. He's been performing for years, long before he met Queen, and he's got far more musical knowledge than you imagine. He's no different than anyone else in the industry regarding a good deal, Queen had a shitty deal in the early days as well as do lots of other bands/artists, the industry's tough but at least he's willing to walk away instead of compromising what he wants, I'd call that smart and having integrity. He co writes music, it's been said several times but you choose to ignore that for some reason.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: “Singing his songs every night, I feel very close to Freddie,” says Lambert. “I wish I had his heavier tone, for sure. He smoked like a chimney and he’s got that real strong mid-chest voice. The way he attacks the note, it’s bad ass, it’s sexy, powerful.

Yeah I recall that interview, not sure why you posted the quote though?

MisterCosmicc wrote: Queen signed to EMI and stayed on for 40 years. How is that bad? Adam would have more luck if he had more talent. Considering everything related to him aside from him singing depends on others, he'll never get a good record deal.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: "Attracted" "Gorgeous" (Performances aren't "gorgeous") I wonder what kind of guys make love to Adam's butt at night. Has he opened up about the men that penetrate him yet?

Interesting you think he's a bottom, actually he's a top, he's been asked that question quite a few times.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Queen signed to EMI and stayed on for 40 years. How is that bad? Adam would have more luck if he had more talent. Considering everything related to him aside from him singing depends on others, he'll never get a good record deal.

I may have been thinking management rather than label. Once he's free to release new music he may go independent or maybe he has something lined up I wouldn't know but I've no doubt he'll be fine.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: "Attracted" "Gorgeous" (Performances aren't "gorgeous") I wonder what kind of guys make love to Adam's butt at night. Has he opened up about the men that penetrate him yet?

Interesting you think he's a bottom, actually he's a top, he's been asked that question quite a few times.

Why the heck would anyone ask hm that? And why would any fan of his want to know? O.o

Iron Butterfly wrote: Why the heck would anyone ask hm that? And why would any fan of his want to know? O.o

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: "Attracted" "Gorgeous" (Performances aren't "gorgeous") I wonder what kind of guys make love to Adam's butt at night. Has he opened up about the men that penetrate him yet?

Interesting you think he's a bottom, actually he's a top, he's been asked that question quite a few times.

Why the heck would anyone ask hm that? And why would any fan of his want to know? O.o

Maybe for the same reason, that MisterCosmicc is fantasizing about him? ;-) Not all his fans are grannies, you know.

MisterCosmicc wrote: You keep saying he's not free to release music. Maybe what Adam means by "complications, paperwork, etc" is that... "I can't get on a fucking label, no one wants me!"

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: "Attracted" "Gorgeous" (Performances aren't "gorgeous") I wonder what kind of guys make love to Adam's butt at night. Has he opened up about the men that penetrate him yet?

Interesting you think he's a bottom, actually he's a top, he's been asked that question quite a few times.

Why the heck would anyone ask hm that? And why would any fan of his want to know? O.o

Maybe for the same reason, that MisterCosmicc is fantasizing about him? ;-) Not all his fans are grannies, you know.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: "Attracted" "Gorgeous" (Performances aren't "gorgeous") I wonder what kind of guys make love to Adam's butt at night. Has he opened up about the men that penetrate him yet?

Interesting you think he's a bottom, actually he's a top, he's been asked that question quite a few times.

Why the heck would anyone ask hm that? And why would any fan of his want to know? O.o

Maybe for the same reason, that MisterCosmicc is fantasizing about him? ;-) Not all his fans are grannies, you know.

The kind of guys Adam sleeps with are more interesting than his talent.

MisterCosmicc wrote: The kind of guys Adam sleeps with are more interesting than his talent.

SweetCaroline wrote: Did you see the movie yet, big Freddie fan?

Iron Butterfly wrote: But hey, maybe we will have sweetcaroline posting a pic of AL in the midst of passion ;-).

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: The kind of guys Adam sleeps with are more interesting than his talent.

How would you know, do you know any of them?

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: But hey, maybe we will have sweetcaroline posting a pic of AL in the midst of passion ;-).

LOL! I can't stop laughing!

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: You keep saying he's not free to release music. Maybe what Adam means by "complications, paperwork, etc" is that... "I can't get on a fucking label, no one wants me!"

The way he's talked about the situation a few times makes it sound that way, the same as the last time when he walked away from RCA. I may be wrong, no way to know, I do know he has one song coming up that's part of the playmobil movie but that's next year. I'm sure whatever the situation he'll work it out, he's still going in the studio so he's obviously intending releasing it at some point.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: You keep saying he's not free to release music. Maybe what Adam means by "complications, paperwork, etc" is that... "I can't get on a fucking label, no one wants me!"

The way he's talked about the situation a few times makes it sound that way, the same as the last time when he walked away from RCA. I may be wrong, no way to know, I do know he has one song coming up that's part of the playmobil movie but that's next year. I'm sure whatever the situation he'll work it out, he's still going in the studio so he's obviously intending releasing it at some point.

If a record company released him... he is free to release music. But, it also means... he needs a record label to do so.

MisterCosmicc wrote: If a record company released him... he is free to release music. But, it also means... he needs a record label to do so.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: You keep saying he's not free to release music. Maybe what Adam means by "complications, paperwork, etc" is that... "I can't get on a fucking label, no one wants me!"

The way he's talked about the situation a few times makes it sound that way, the same as the last time when he walked away from RCA. I may be wrong, no way to know, I do know he has one song coming up that's part of the playmobil movie but that's next year. I'm sure whatever the situation he'll work it out, he's still going in the studio so he's obviously intending releasing it at some point.

If a record company released him... he is free to release music. But, it also means... he needs a record label to do so.

Sure he can release music, I suppose. And have sweetcaroline as his publicist, PR person and all that... Oh wait, she thinks she already is. I think it will be a while before he realeases and album. Gut feeling.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: If a record company released him... he is free to release music. But, it also means... he needs a record label to do so.

No he already explained about the last time when he chose to walk away, he wasn't free to even announce it for around a year. The day after he did he was signed to Warner. In legal terms it's called a non compete.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam Lambert can't say in an interview, "I'm having trouble finding a label" because if he said that, other record companies would think he's problematic, and they'd steer clear of him. It's also possible he faced complications with Warner Brothers... and passed the message along. If his music is released on some small label, that's probably what happened.

If a record company released him... he is free to release music. But, it also means... he needs a record label to do so.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam didn't walk away from Warners. Considering they took his name down from the page, they dropped him.

MisterCosmicc wrote: It sounds like he's satisfied with Queen anyway. SweetCaroline will always be in the audience ;-) Really, though. Queen is what he finds comfort in, and he's obviously having label problems and needs something to do.

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam Lambert can't say in an interview, "I'm having trouble finding a label" because if he said that, other record companies would think he's problematic, and they'd steer clear of him. It's also possible he faced complications with Warner Brothers... and passed the message along. If his music is released on some small label, that's probably what happened.

There's only so many big labels so it's possible they might be wary of signing him if it turns out he was the one to walk away but we don't know the situation yet and tbh as he himself said it's not for fans to worry about. I'm sure he's got a team to sort all that stuff out so I'll just wait until he's ready or able to let us know.

MisterCosmicc wrote: Adam spends his touring days singing songs by other people... what can be so bad about Warner Brothers that Adam left the label? I imagine he was kicked off... but why? "Oh, I wanted to write songs alone..." That can't be it. An 80's album idea come up again? I'm sure Warner Brothers were like, "Hey, let's sign Adam up... we can have him do an 80's cover album featuring a ton of songs from other labels, it'll bring us in... mediocre money." That wasn't it, and it'd of been brought up before he even signed his name. He was dropped, for what reasons, I don't know. Maybe they asked him to perform some rock 'n' roll. Maybe it was his Queen commitment and he didn't want to ditch the piggy bank.

MisterCosmicc wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

MisterCosmicc wrote: You keep saying he's not free to release music. Maybe what Adam means by "complications, paperwork, etc" is that... "I can't get on a fucking label, no one wants me!"

The way he's talked about the situation a few times makes it sound that way, the same as the last time when he walked away from RCA. I may be wrong, no way to know, I do know he has one song coming up that's part of the playmobil movie but that's next year. I'm sure whatever the situation he'll work it out, he's still going in the studio so he's obviously intending releasing it at some point.

If a record company released him... he is free to release music. But, it also means... he needs a record label to do so.

Sure he can release music, I suppose. And have sweetcaroline as his publicist, PR person and all that... Oh wait, she thinks she already is. I think it will be a while before he realeases and album. Gut feeling.

Me too. It sounds like he's satisfied with Queen anyway. SweetCaroline will always be in the audience ;-) Really, though. Queen is what he finds comfort in, and he's obviously having label problems and needs something to do.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Of course AL is satisfied. He is making more money with Brian and Roger than he ever could with his solo career that way that turned out for him. Pretty easy way for him to get the almighty dollar. I will say again, he will be in for a shock once Q+AL is over. Won't be so easy for him then.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Of course AL is satisfied. He is making more money with Brian and Roger than he ever could with his solo career that way that turned out for him. Pretty easy way for him to get the almighty dollar. I will say again, he will be in for a shock once Q+AL is over. Won't be so easy for him then.

It works both ways, Brian & Roger are getting to play arena's again on a large scale consistently, they've done large festivals and have said they wouldn't be doing it if it weren't for Adam. As they've all pointed out it's a mutually beneficial arrangement. As to his career afterwards, all the appearances he's been doing, being asked to appear at events, give speeches, the movie part etc say that he'll have no problem after Queen ends. Despite what some people seem to think he gets a lot of credit and interest separate from the Queen thing, it's obvious the way people treat him that they don't see him as some kind of reject that Queen took under their wing, he gets a lot of respect.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Brian and Roger would be hyping up anyone they toured with. Heck, they said Paul Rodgers was Freddie's favorite singer. It's hard work beng in the entertainment business, and no doubt in my mind AL does work hard. I do think it will be a shock for him once Q+AL is over. Brian and Roger playng on TwoFux didn't turn that song into a hit.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Brian and Roger would be hyping up anyone they toured with. Heck, they said Paul Rodgers was Freddie's favorite singer. It's hard work beng in the entertainment business, and no doubt in my mind AL does work hard. I do think it will be a shock for him once Q+AL is over. Brian and Roger playng on TwoFux didn't turn that song into a hit.

I don't mean what they say about his voice etc. Could they have found someone else to tour with, yeah of course, but they didn't find anyone they wanted to until they met Adam, that's what they mean when they say he's the reason they're doing this, he made them want to. It didn't appear to end well with Paul and there were rumors they had JSS on standby to step in at the last minute on their final tour, maybe that made them wary of giving it a go with someone else. Brian has said they'd only do it if it was fun and they enjoyed being with the person they're touring with and with Adam they have that so I don't see them saying so as hype, it must be nice to work with someone who they feel that comfortable with. His own music will work or fail on it's own merits, it isn't gonna make a difference that he's toured with Queen but he's got a lot more things he can do besides music so regardless of that he'll get work and he enjoys doing lots of other things. Music's his first love but there's no reason he can't do that on a smaller scale if he chooses and still do other stuff besides, not everyone needs to be a Taylor Swift, there's plenty of bands touring around smaller venues who aren't mainstream.

Iron Butterfly wrote: I can't help but wonder where AL's heart is. Apparently he had some input in a recent photo shoot, so maybe he going for the 70s vibe look and sound wise? Who knows. The music business is always changing, and AL focusing so much on Q+AL that very likely put his own music career on hold. Of course he will never admit to that.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: I can't help but wonder where AL's heart is. Apparently he had some input in a recent photo shoot, so maybe he going for the 70s vibe look and sound wise? Who knows. The music business is always changing, and AL focusing so much on Q+AL that very likely put his own music career on hold. Of course he will never admit to that.

Well if he has put his music on hold for QAL it's obviously something he's ok with but I'm inclined to believe him since he released his last album in 2015, did a QAL tour and a solo tour that year, carried it on into 2016 then did the festival tour with QAL and also did the judging on X factor Australia in 2016 as well. He seems to be able to juggle everything quite well so I can't see that being the problem. He has talked about his music having a 70's glam rock vibe so maybe that's why he wanted the hippy thing, then again the long hair hippy look is something he's talked about a few years ago so maybe he just did it on a whim.

SweetCaroline wrote: His own career isn’t on hold.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: His own career isn’t on hold.

You are dumb as a bunch of rocks believing that.

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

SweetCaroline wrote: His own career isn’t on hold.

You are dumb as a bunch of rocks believing that.

Why? Because she doesn’t share YOUR opinion? I think I’m dumb as a bunch of rocks as well then. Better that than angry or bitter. That’s how you come across.

Mr Right wrote: Get your tickets soon folks cos Lambert will end up in a greasy bed sit performing in Margate town hall ! Rockchic will be there with sealion so they can do his make up and make his bed LOL

SweetCaroline wrote: I wish we could stand Adam and Freddie side by side to measure the length of their legs. Adam’s 6 ft. 3 in. frame is mostly legs!