| Golden Salmon 23.10.2018 22:03 |
Rotten Tomatoes: 51% (2018-10-26) Empire: 3/5 The Guardian: 2/5 Screencrush: 4/10 Slant magazine: 2/4 Indiewire: D+ The Playlist: D+ Expected, I guess. By the way, the movie is 134 minutes long. |
| mike hunt 23.10.2018 22:31 |
The bad reviews keep pouring in...They can't do anything right.... |
| NickESB 23.10.2018 22:48 |
Just home from the Wembley Arena premiere. I’ll say that Malek is fantastic. He nails the Live Aid performance in particular (moves are near perfect throughout). Rest of the film... I don’t know what to make of it. The factual inaccuracies are hideous: End of Smile/start of Queen chronology is a bit all over the place. Pretner comes onboard pre-Bo Rhap as manager of band on behalf of John Reed. Full (with lyrics) SSOR recording shown as part of first album. FBG - yes, as feared, features in 1974-style concert. Rio - film suggests Freddie visits there/Queen play there long in the film long before they actually did in 1981. WWRY recording falls in 1980 (once Freddie has moustache, as feared. FYI the performance recreated to the Movie Mix says MSG, NYC 1980). Freddie’s dad reading about Sun paper expose attributed to 1980 AOBTD - BHM plays Gibson guitar in the recording. Just before Live Aid Roger (if I recall correctly) has doubts as the band “have not played together in years”. Works Tour ended May 1985! AIDS diagnosis hinted at during Mr Bad Guy recording in Munich 1984. Freddie tells band about AIDS during Live Aid rehearsals. Equal Credits/royalties came about in 1985, according to the film, as a way of getting Freddie back on board to do Live Aid. I think that’s it from memory. Also, the live audio that accompanies the Bo Rhap rock section part during the film comes up as EDINBURGH 1976. It may be Hammersmith, or something from LK, but it was fabulous. |
| Golden Salmon 23.10.2018 22:54 |
The inaccuracies are totally expected, but can you tell us more about any interesting musical bits? Anything not present in the OST? Any complete performances or are all/most partial? |
| Fredfan 24.10.2018 00:43 |
oh man. |
| blueroom 24.10.2018 01:09 |
Maybe the reviews will make QPL realise that we want actual music instead of shitty fictional biopics. |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 03:26 |
I heard the movie has a scene where Freddie begs the band to take him back because his solo career flopped and that he's nothing without them...The rest of Queen had a meeting and decided To let Freddie back in the band...I have a feeling Queen fans will hate this movie, and make May and Talyor, Particulary Brian as resenting Freddie for over shadowing the rest of the band...Resentful of Freddie is what some of the reviewers are saying... |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 03:39 |
Please tell me there isn't such a scene in this #$%! movie! If there is Brian and Roger are complete, utter assholes. From UPROXX "The third act of Bohemian Rhapsody feels like complete fantasy. The conflict comes from Freddie wanting to peruse a solo career, which in the film results in the band breaking up (which doesn’t appear to have actually happened, at least in any official capacity) – only to reunite for Live Aid. There is literally a scene of Freddie begging the band to take him back. Pleading that his solo career just doesn’t work without the rest of the band and he’s nothing without them. Then the rest of the band literally sends Freddie out into the hallway like a petulant child so the adults can talk. (If Freddie Mercury were alive today I suspect this is the scene that would piss him off the most.)" "But I’ve never seen a film distort its facts in such a punitive way. It’s like the movie wants to punish Freddie Mercury. Again, he’s begging the band to take him back, now, in front of the world to see, because Freddie had the audacity to go solo. (Which doesn’t even appear to be true.) Now, it’s not mentioned that it was actually Roger Taylor who was the first member of Queen to release a solo album. Oh, yeah, and then a second one. Oh and then Brian May released his own solo album. And that Freddie Mercury’s first solo album wasn’t released until 1985. And John Deacon would perform on Mercury’s second and final solo album." |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 03:39 |
Please tell me there isn't such a scene in this #$%! movie! If there is Brian and Roger are complete, utter assholes. From UPROXX "The third act of Bohemian Rhapsody feels like complete fantasy. The conflict comes from Freddie wanting to peruse a solo career, which in the film results in the band breaking up (which doesn’t appear to have actually happened, at least in any official capacity) – only to reunite for Live Aid. There is literally a scene of Freddie begging the band to take him back. Pleading that his solo career just doesn’t work without the rest of the band and he’s nothing without them. Then the rest of the band literally sends Freddie out into the hallway like a petulant child so the adults can talk. (If Freddie Mercury were alive today I suspect this is the scene that would piss him off the most.)" "But I’ve never seen a film distort its facts in such a punitive way. It’s like the movie wants to punish Freddie Mercury. Again, he’s begging the band to take him back, now, in front of the world to see, because Freddie had the audacity to go solo. (Which doesn’t even appear to be true.) Now, it’s not mentioned that it was actually Roger Taylor who was the first member of Queen to release a solo album. Oh, yeah, and then a second one. Oh and then Brian May released his own solo album. And that Freddie Mercury’s first solo album wasn’t released until 1985. And John Deacon would perform on Mercury’s second and final solo album." |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 04:25 |
yeah, that's the review I read...hopefully It's exaggerated.. |
| The Nosuch Disco 24.10.2018 06:50 |
Yeah the reviews are pretty much bob on! An ok movie with a good performance from Malek. The liberties taken with the time line and what we know happened is probably a lot for die hard fans to stomach, but it serves the narrative a little. The only reason I can see why FBG is where it is is due to the line “I’ve been singing with my band, across the water, across the land...”. I felt that the Live Aid audio had a bit of extra treatment over the soundtrack, but I’m no audiophile. No studio outtakes present in the film that I can recall, just Marc Martel filling in for rehearsal and improv duties. There’s a real cheesy bit with locations of gigs flashing across the screen as Freddie does various poses to Now I’m Here. The press conference bit was a bit like a dramatic student film. I certainly felt that some aspects of the film felt low budget and like a TV movie. Anyway, that’s my two pennies worth. Defo worth a watch, but maybe not repeat viewing. |
| NickESB 24.10.2018 06:55 |
The meeting to let Freddie back in the band IS in the film. It’s a bit lighthearted but it happens. Forgot to say, that Live Aid day begins with Freddie taking Jim (who he tracks down for the first time since meeting in 1980) to his parents for tea. There’s also a line in which Freddie says to Mary that he’s “got to finish his second album”, put in around the time of the MBG sessions (no mention of opera, either!). Golden Salmon: the only thing that stood out was the live Bo Rhap audio (1975 era) in which Freddie sounded amazing. I’m not convinced that the audio is Edinburgh 1976, which the recreated performance was meant to resemble. Most performances are partial; Live Aid has abridged versions of BR/RGG/HTF/WATC and the vocal improvisation. It’s easy to work out when it’s Marc Martel’s vocals; main one I remember is when Freddie is at a piano improvising the lyrics/chords to LOML. WWRY Movie Mix is a bit different to the soundtrack and automatically less jarring. Freddie’s first performance with Smile (playing KYA) has him screwing up the lyrics. Brian is heard saying “learn the words, Freddie”, or words to that extent. FM’s voice is also portrayed to be in bad form at the Live Aid rehearsals (in the film said to be a week out from the gig) which prompts him to tell the band about his illness. In general, I still don’t know what to make of it. The outfits and sets look fantastic, and are largely accurately recreated throughout (down to the Live Aid camera crew who Freddie messes with during HTF). One of the best moments is the way one dark scene goes straight into the Break Free video recording; a great juxtaposition. Also, the recreation of the Killer Queen video is excellent - features the side-on angle (from Roger's right-hand side, if you follow), which was a great touch. It ends with a shot of Wembley (recreated stunningly throughout the Live Aid sequence) and the Live Aid audio echoing (as per the soundtrack), before the credits start with an acapella first verse to DSTMN. There’s a small timeline (Freddie death date, Freddie and Jim lived together, set up of Mercury Phoenix Trust, Bo Rhap re-release, from memory) - no mention of Queen “continuing” to this day, which will please some. DSMN audio eventually fades into the TSMGO. |
| dysan 24.10.2018 07:20 |
It sounds much like we imagined. So that's good. Now I'm fully around to the fact it's for the regular punter I'm fine with these inaccuracies to drive the plot. I'm sure if I saw The Doors now I'd pick more holes in it than I did in 1991. |
| Golden Salmon 24.10.2018 09:06 |
I'm OK with them changing some facts to serve the narrative, but it inevitably pisses fans off. The problem with biopics is that reality is often more boring than the drama you're used to seeing in movies, so... Still, it appears that it won't please neither fans nor regular moviegoers. Currently at 56% at Rotten Tomatoes. |
| dysan 24.10.2018 09:34 |
Reviews mean nothing. Opinions other than ones own means nothing. Clothes mean nothing. Let's hit the showers! |
| Dr Magus 24.10.2018 10:21 |
Is there any mention anywhere of Freddie saying Paul Rodgers is his favourite singer? |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 24.10.2018 10:40 |
They would make history, with David Fincher...now they did rubbish with a mediocre filmmaker like Brian Singer. |
| Kuijpy 24.10.2018 11:15 |
I dont like to watch a movie with a lot of mistakes.. Cmon, Freddie did not tell the guys that he had AIDS in 1985, he tell them in 1988/89. I still hates the things like FBG wrote in 1974, Moustache Freddie recording WWRY, and why put they the songs The Show Must Go On and WWTLF in the movie? Their all came later than 1985. And why they wont make a movie from Smile - Freddie's death, think that would have been a nice movie with a versie sadmovie ending. |
| dysan 24.10.2018 11:18 |
Because that's a terrible idea?? |
| dysan 24.10.2018 11:19 |
99% of people watching the film know 'the end'. And that 1% who don't will experience a wonderful voyage of Queen discovery in books. |
| Golden Salmon 24.10.2018 11:41 |
Kuijpy wrote: Cmon, Freddie did not tell the guys that he had AIDS in 1985, he tell them in 1988/89. I still hates the things like FBG wrote in 1974, Moustache Freddie recording WWRY, and why put they the songs The Show Must Go On and WWTLF in the movie? Their all came later than 1985.I really think we should move on from the fact that the movie is all about drama rather than accuracy. Currently at 52% average. |
| Sunshine 24.10.2018 12:19 |
Ill see the film tomorrow. I think, as Queen fans, we need to see this film with different glasses. It is NOT a documentary. It’s a film and with drama. Then it is just necessary to twist the facts slightly without making events untrue. Regarding Live Aid, the band WAS in doubt how to move on after the Japanese tour. Regarding Freddie telling he has AIDS, for the film it doesn’t matter if he tells it in 1985 or 1988. You need to stop nagging about these details. Again, it’s not a documentary. |
| All_that_Jazz 24.10.2018 12:27 |
I was there last night and the event was great. The red (purple) carpet, the band being there. The buzz and excitement were very real (including the audience's reaction during the movie). The movie itself left me a bit confused and now after sleeping on it, I must say I am a bit disappointed. Here's why (and many points do overlap what was said above). First of all, and the most positive bit for me, was the acting. Although Rami (for me) does not do it as Freddie (in terms of looks, talk and mannerisms), his acting by itself was great. Much better, for me was the likeness of the other guys. Gwilym as Brian was spot on (the voice and guitar style) and so was Joseph as Deaky (the way he was sorta plucking his chin during some scenes was sooo spot on). Second, the musical bits were awesome. Not only did it sound great, but also the way the sets were recreated and how live performances were re-enacted were an absolute joy to watch. Third, and this is where the more negative bits come in. It is utterly unclear what the movie tries to achieve. It is not a Queen biopic (for it focuses way too much on the Freddie bit) and it is not a Freddie biopic (for it includes way too many elements that are completely irrelevant to the Freddie story (like the WWRY scene) and way too many key Freddie bits were not included (like his deeper personality). This also echos the genre of the movie. It actually has quite a lot of very funny moments and the editing style suggest a more lighthearted movie, however the movie also tries to be dark and more dramatic (the whole Freddie-Mary story arc and the Aids thing). So in some ways the movie is too much of a comedy to really hit you with the serious bits and the serious bits make you almost feel guilty for enjoying the movie. Fourth, the story line is weak and thin as hell. If anything, the premise is: Freddie makes queen successful, Freddie goes solo, fails, gets aids, needs band, success again. So it is the classic: "things go well, things go to shit, things end well" story line, but it is never convincing. For example there are two or three scenes that zoom into "Freddie being lonely" and not only are these scenes kinda ridiculous (e.g. the flashing lights to Mary), the theme never gets explored entirely (you never feel like you are watching a lonely man). Also, the pivotal point in which John Reed tries to convince Freddie to go solo (which he does) comes out of nowhere and makes very little sense given the story before that scene. For example, if anything the movie stresses the individual contributions to the band (the WWRY scene, the AOBTD bit and even the (quite funny) piece about In love with my car. So the movies hammers along about the quality of the band as a whole and all of a sudden it seems like Freddie is the only good one. Fifth, the historical inaccuracies (as stressed many times above). Personally I don't have much of a problem with taking creative liberities if it fits the purpose of the movie (so if you want to create a "everything goes to shit at one point in time moment" and you pretend like Hot Space and Break Free happen at the same time, that is ok for me. However, certain things I feel harm the people involved (and could impact their legacy), which I am less ok with. For example, Freddie never took Jim to his parents as his lover. His parents would never approve and within his Zoroastrianism religion homosexuality is not cool. I feel this bit does an injustice to Freddie, his parents and his extended family. Other examples include the Aids triggers LiveAid thing and more importantly the movie suggests that only after queen started playing live aid did people start donating money. I think this is quite unfair towards Geldof and all the artists involved in the LiveAid thing. Sixth, thinking about it, they could have made two (excellent) movies in different genres both ending at Live Aid: 1. A more 'family' oriented movie about queen (with most of the jokes) focusing on the following story arc(s): - Queen meet - Vastly different personality (which explains their success), leading to lots of bickering, but also brilliant outputs - The rise of success, (from empty school auditoriums to vast venues) - And as the success rises, so do excess and tensions in the band (people being late, more fighting, production takes longer) - At the height of their success several things happen at the same time: a) music changing (cue scene between Freddie and Johnny Rotten) so Queen is deemed irrelevant, b) them desperately trying to change course leading to 'flop' album (Hot Space), c) more fighting and arguing and poor decisions based on egos and stupidity (IWTBF), d) 'quasi' break up (i.e. they have a fall out and call for a break). - Period of struggle for each band member (Brian struggling with relationships and booze, John struggling with his life choices (not liking touring and not really wanting to be in a band), Roger partying and making shoddy solo albums, Fred partying in the gay-scene and also making shoddy solo albums. - Rock bottom could be something different for all of them (Freddie suspecting he might have HIV, Roger being frustrated with his solo music, Brian being totally unhappy without Queen, John???) - They call for a band meeting and decide they are better off together and decide to give it one last shot: cue live aid. 2. A more dramatic movie about the life of Freddie in which his troubled personality is the central theme (e.g. the duality between shy Freddie and extrovert Freddie, his loneliness and his sexuality. With all of these driving both his creativity and leading to self-destruction): - Would start on Zanzibar with his dad being stern and sending Freddie to board school - Fred is lonely and very shy, discovers love for arts and finds out that he enjoys being on stage (cue hectics) - Then England where Freddie arrives as an outcast, without friends and we see him in his room doodling and deciding he needs to adapt personas in his live to overcome shyness and loneliness - Queen meets, Brian and Roger are surprised by the juxtaposition between shy Freddie and stage Freddie - Freddie being creative and the more successful he is, the more outlandish he becomes - Freddie exploring his sexuality and finding out he needs both love (primarily from Women) and sex (primarily from Men) - Freddie discovering that he both loves the attention (being on stage) and hates it at the same time (the press, the interviews) - More excess and success leading to more arrogance and Freddie confusing success with happiness more and more (thus alienating his family and the band) - Towards the end (early 80s), Freddie drowning in success and extravagance ("I am doing everything with everyone darling") and just when we think this man is on top of the world, all comes crashing down. - Solo success is lacking - Getting tired of sex and finding out it is unfulfilling - Finding out that partying is shallow and does not lead to long-term fulfillment - Then; discovering he is probably HIV positive - Need to drastically alter life choices, settles into Garden Lodge, finds a long term partner (Jim) gets back together with Queen - Realizes it is the small things that make him happy and discovers what is really important in life - Life Aid, and while he knows he is going to die (or at least has a hunch), he is fulfilled and happy... My 2 cents.. |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 12:49 |
All That Jazz, I agree...I have the whole script in my head on how I would make a Queen movie...You nailed It....The bonding for Innuendo would be added in the movie, With a Winter's Tale or Mother Love as the closing song. Not sure how they could mess this up so badly..Queen have such a unique story that deserves better. Never make me boring Freddie once said, It seems Brian is on a life mission too make Queen as boring as he could. |
| raucousmonster 24.10.2018 12:53 |
First off and most importantly there is only one scene where Freddie is accurately referred to as Frederick Mercury - so Sebastian won't be happy! ;) I've seen the film reviewed as a "glorified Wikipedia entry" and I'd say that's about right. But only about 20% of it has any basis in fact. I'm not talking about Queen playing Rio in the mid 70's, Freddie angrily firing John Reid or WWRY with a moustache. I can live with all that. I feel Freddie was portrayed as a tragic Elvis style figure who was out of control with drink and drugs because he couldn't accept who he was until he was diagnosed with Aids and suddenly he got his shit together and realised what was really important in life - his Queen family and that being gay was ok. I wouldn't say he was straightwashed but the theme seems to be that Freddie was happy and confident until his gayness (and Paul Prenter) dragged him down a dark, unhealthy place. If he'd been able to stay with Mary he'd have been much happier - which is rubbish. It didn't portray him as a fun loving gay man who partied hard because he enjoyed it and who, in his quieter moments would have loved a more meaningful, settled relationship. He seems troubled throughout the film apart from at the start and then after the rest of Queen "allow him back into the band once he says he's sorry for pursuing a solo career and getting too big for his boots". That's not a direct quote, but it is the gist of it. But it's during the first few scenes and towards the end that we get a glimpse of the Freddie most of us on this forum would recognise. Ultimately I felt the hand of Brian May all over this which isn't a good thing. And poor John Deacon was the butt of several jokes as being a bit of a nobody. It was quite emotional seeing Rami/Freddie/Frederick in the performance scenes but ultimately I don't think many of us here will enjoy it, even allowing for the timeline whoppers and factual porkies. |
| Togg 24.10.2018 13:23 |
Loved it It's not a documentary so forget about timelines and tashes... it's entertainment pure and simple Very emotional at times, also funny, slightly clunky editing at the start with a few points were you feel they could have expanded a little, but as it goes on the film captures you and as a fan you get caught up in the gear and the shoot itself. the story possibly sticks too close the real life at points when it could be exaggerated to dynamic effect, and at times some of the timelines get blurred which will piss off those that think it's a true to life doc It's not its a feature film based in a band Go see it it's fun.... |
| k-m 24.10.2018 13:27 |
Ok, I think I got the idea. And some of you thought the Lesley Ann Jones article was bad ;-) More seriously, I'll be really pissed off if it is as bad as it seems and for that begging scene alone Brian and Roger have ruined whatever was left of my sympathy for them. Some will say it's just a movie, but for me it's more than this. It will damage Queen's image for years and many people who did not know Queen well before will be put off by the final product and the way they handled it. They had an opportunity to work with the best directors and screenwriters out there and create something truly magnificent (which I am sure Freddie's unique tale deserved) yet they fucked it up to "protect the legacy". |
| Holly2003 24.10.2018 13:30 |
It;'s not a documentary (besides, what makes you think documentaries are always truthful and honest?) but it's about real-life people and events, and one of those people isn't around to defend himself any more. I'm sure Fred would never have approved a script where he has to beg to be let back into the band he created. And as if Queen without Fred could have continued and been successful? Fuck that shit. |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 13:45 |
I hope that begging scene is exaggerated....I think it's time to cut off Brian May for who he is these days...Remember him for who he was instead. This isn't Freddie losing the plot for Hot Space and Bad Guy, that stuff happens....This is Brian blaming Freddie for going solo for one album, and making Freddie look like a fool by begging the mighty Brian if he could come back...very sneaky on his part. I don't think Roger was as involved with this film and doesn't look so thrilled when speaking of the film...This was all Brian. |
| cmsdrums 24.10.2018 13:48 |
John must be absolutely losing his shit reading all this!! |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 13:54 |
Holly, they all want equal credit for their success when things go right, but when things go bad They blame the dead man who can't defend himself. very sneaky. |
| k-m 24.10.2018 14:14 |
I agree, their conduct is appalling! I also listened to a Brian interview on the radio just 2 days ago and even before reading all this I could tell how the interviewer was pretty uncomfortable, because it was painfully obvious he was not allowed to ask or even raise a whole bunch of things, focusing on the 3D book instead that Brian was plugging in. Awkward! |
| dysan 24.10.2018 14:15 |
Are there any bosoms in it? |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 14:24 |
I personally think John doesn't care at this point...He's rich and older, but I would love too hear his take on all this. |
| dysan 24.10.2018 14:34 |
We'll have to wait for 'Misfire: The John Deacon Story'. |
| NickESB 24.10.2018 14:39 |
All_that_Jazz wrote: The movie itself left me a bit confused and now after sleeping on it, I must say I am a bit disappointed. Here's why (and many points do overlap what was said above).Yep, I'm with you on this after reflecting on last night. The problem, IMO, is that (despite its creative/taglines - "Fearless Lives Forever" etc) the film ends up trying to be a Freddie biopic AND the story of Queen. That's the clash, and that's where I think it comes unstuck. Essentially, in true Hollywood style, the narrative is good things happen/DISRUPTION/make up and good things happen again (to end. Making out that it was all Freddie's faults (with increasing coercion from Paul P) that led to the band's 1980s feuds/change of musical direction/pursuing of solo projects largely because he lived a hedonistic lifestyle stinks somewhat to me. Interviewed before the premiere last night, BHM said he thinks they did Freddie proud. I'll tell you what: the film does Brian proud. He comes across as a saint throughout, the rationale thinker etc. |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 14:47 |
It's sad to be constantly reminded that Brian May is, really, kind of a dick. He's a phony who resents and is jealousy of Freddie and this film just proves it. It's his chance to get even and rewrite history disguised as a tribute to Freddie. Fuck Brian and fuck this movie. Score-settling fiction. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 24.10.2018 14:59 |
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| Shvili 24.10.2018 15:17 |
I get that this is not a documentary and they couldn't have the entire Queen catalog/history chronicled in the movie, but from the reviews, it sounds like they are seriously distorting pivotal facts from Freddie's personal life, which is unacceptable. Also, Freddie pleading to be taken back after Mr. Bad Guy? Who came up with this BS? There's no way this is remotely close to reality. |
| LucasDiego 24.10.2018 15:25 |
For those who saw the movie, how is the portrait of John Deacon in the movie? |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 15:26 |
YAFFF wrote: It's sad to be constantly reminded that Brian May is, really, kind of a dick. He's a phony who resents and is jealousy of Freddie and this film just proves it. It's his chance to get even and rewrite history disguised as a tribute to Freddie. Fuck Brian and fuck this movie. Score-settling fiction.I Agree! |
| NickESB 24.10.2018 15:31 |
LucasDiego wrote: For those who saw the movie, how is the portrait of John Deacon in the movie?John comes across as the quietest member (from everything I've read I'd say that's true), but at the same time a sensible person. RMT is (to begin with at least) the serial shagger, who even tries chatting up Freddie's sister. |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 15:49 |
Shvili wrote: I get that this is not a documentary and they couldn't have the entire Queen catalog/history chronicled in the movie, but from the reviews, it sounds like they are seriously distorting pivotal facts from Freddie's personal life, which is unacceptable. Also, Freddie pleading to be taken back after Mr. Bad Guy? Who came up with this BS? There's no way this is remotely close to reality.Who came up with that BS?....You know who, Do I really have too say his name? or should I let Yaff say it? In fact they had to convince Freddie, who was on a beach relaxing to get off his ass and perform at Live Aid...Freddie didn't even want to perform, so everyone actually begged him. Watch the Documentary...Get off you're ass you fag....It's gonna be the biggest event ever... |
| The Real Wizard 24.10.2018 16:00 |
Golden Salmon wrote: I really think we should move on from the fact that the movie is all about drama rather than accuracy..Which is what literally every biopic does. This review snippet says it all: "The critical failure of Bohemian Rhapsody is that, 134 minutes after the lights go down, the members of Queen just seem like four blokes who've been processed through the rusty machinery of a Hollywood biopic." |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 16:07 |
Strange. Site doesn't have the feature where you can quote another's post. Could it be Google Chrome? Anyway Mike is correct. Freddie couldn't be arsed to do Live Aid at first. The movie seems to want it both ways. Freddie was a selfish Diva who did whatever he please and an insecure Toothasaurus Rex who was nothing without Brian May. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 24.10.2018 16:12 |
YAFFF wrote: Strange. Site doesn't have the feature where you can quote another's post. Could it be Google Chrome? Anyway Mike is correct. Freddie couldn't be arsed to do Live Aid at first. The movie seems to want it both ways. Freddie was a selfish Diva who did whatever he please and an insecure Toothasaurus Rex who was nothing without Brian May.It's invisible! If you hover it's there! |
| The Real Wizard 24.10.2018 16:13 |
Shvili wrote: Freddie pleading to be taken back after Mr. Bad Guy? Who came up with this BS? There's no way this is remotely close to reality.How can you be sure? Brian and Roger have chronically downplayed how bad things were behind the scenes in the 80s. It is undeniably true that they did have a meeting around this time where Mercury was given an ultimatum - them or Prenter. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if this scene was largely or entirely accurate. I'm just not sure if a Hollywood film was the right place to tell this part of their story. |
| rockchic65 24.10.2018 16:15 |
YAFFF wrote: Strange. Site doesn't have the feature where you can quote another's post. Could it be Google Chrome? Anyway Mike is correct. Freddie couldn't be arsed to do Live Aid at first. The movie seems to want it both ways. Freddie was a selfish Diva who did whatever he please and an insecure Toothasaurus Rex who was nothing without Brian May.If you hover your cursor to the right of the date/time stamp there will be a little black line and it comes up as edit, further along there's reply then reply with quote. They don't show up until you hover over the right spot - weird. |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 16:19 |
rockchic65 wrote:LOL! Thanks.YAFFF wrote: Strange. Site doesn't have the feature where you can quote another's post. Could it be Google Chrome? Anyway Mike is correct. Freddie couldn't be arsed to do Live Aid at first. The movie seems to want it both ways. Freddie was a selfish Diva who did whatever he please and an insecure Toothasaurus Rex who was nothing without Brian May.If you hover your cursor to the right of the date/time stamp there will be a little black line and it comes up as edit, further along there's reply then reply with quote. They don't show up until you hover over the right spot - weird. |
| lewisakkas 24.10.2018 16:25 |
Overall it's a decent film. I took my friend who doesn't really know much about Queen and he said he was surprise how good it was and he enjoyed it. The inaccuracies are expected, its like that in any film. We have to remember that it has to appeal to everyone so certain things change. Before today I've never seen Rami Malek but he's one hell of a actor, deserves an award for his performance! Overall I would rate it 3/5. |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 16:26 |
The Real Wizard wrote: I'm just not sure if a Hollywood film was the right place to tell this part of their story.So instead millions of people "learn" fiction about Freddie and the band and don't know it's fiction. I don't care if it's Hollywood standards it's bullshit. This canard about Freddie begging for his job back is not credible. Something like that would've leaked out in some interview or book by now if it were accurate. I know you like to be the relentless apologist for the band over the many years I've read posts here but you can't spin the fact the band took this opportunity to big up the band at the expense of Freddie. |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 16:35 |
He's an apologist for Brian More than anything...I'm a huge Brian fan, but little by little I'm losing respect. That's why we should stick with the music and only the music because if you get into personal stuff you realize your musical hero's are Jealous of each other and back stabbers. |
| Golden Salmon 24.10.2018 16:36 |
lewisakkas wrote: Overall it's a decent film. I took my friend who doesn't really know much about Queen and he said he was surprise how good it was and he enjoyed it. The inaccuracies are expected, its like that in any film. We have to remember that it has to appeal to everyone so certain things change. Before today I've never seen Rami Malek but he's one hell of a actor, deserves an award for his performance! Overall I would rate it 3/5.I don't know about the cinematography but I would expect someone who only knows a few Queen songs, and enjoys them, to be surprised by the music. This might be the niche they could cater to. |
| Holly2003 24.10.2018 16:37 |
Is the making of Under Pressure with Bowie in the movie? |
| NickESB 24.10.2018 16:50 |
No. |
| dysan 24.10.2018 17:08 |
It's now Queen were in the studio and Brian May happened to be in town and they hooked up to jam and wrote Under Pressure. Brian May came up with the bass riff but forgot it when they went for pizza. Luckily Brian May remembered it later and told Brian May it. |
| RS_Protos 24.10.2018 18:16 |
^LOL |
| The Real Wizard 24.10.2018 18:23 |
YAFFF wrote: Something like that would've leaked out in some interview or book by now if it were accurate.You'd think that, but there are even bigger things that they've kept under wraps. And if I wrote about them, people probably wouldn't believe them anyway. Nor is it my place to. And for the record - they sure wouldn't have people labelling me as a Brian May apologist. Everyone has their dark sides and moments. Spend 20 years with literally anyone, and it's bound to happen. Of course you guys are welcome to think you know everything about Queen's history based on what you've read in books and plucked out of interviews. But the reality is - there will always be more that you don't know. Superfans pride themselves on thinking they know everything, and few things sting them more than the thought that they may not know it all. So take a deep breath and entertain the possibility that 70 year old rock stars are going to take some things to the grave. The same way everyone else does. |
| Fredfan 24.10.2018 19:01 |
wait Real Wizard - so did Fred really beg for his job? I agree with the others - this would have come out or hinted at in the gazillions of biographies on the band or FM |
| The Real Wizard 24.10.2018 19:04 |
Fredfan wrote: wait Real Wizard - so did Fred really beg for his job?I wasn't there, so how would I know? this would have come out or hinted at in the gazillions of biographies on the band or FMJust because the band hasn't mentioned something doesn't mean it didn't happen. Their private lives aren't on display for the world at the world's demands. Like I said - this film perhaps wasn't the best way to let this one out (how can I say this and simultaneously be accused of being a "Brian May apologist"?). But let's think about this rationally: In 2011 they told stories in the Days Of Our Lives documentary they hadn't told before. So does that mean those things were fiction in 2010? Obviously not. Which means there are still more to tell, many of which they will never tell. There's a reason why Adrian Belew couldn't tell his Bowie/Zappa stories until both of them were dead. And that's just the ones he chose to tell. McCartney tells new stories to this day, too. Are those all fiction because he didn't tell them at some arbitrary earlier date? There are countless stories that will never be told about Queen or any other artist. Sometimes stories come out a week later, a year later, decades later, or not at all. |
| Day dop 24.10.2018 19:35 |
They certainly had played in years before Live Aid, despite the character of Roger Taylor saying otherwise in the movie. |
| Shvili 24.10.2018 19:58 |
The Real Wizard wrote:There may have been a conversation along this line, but i highly doubt it was dramatic and substantive enough to deserve making a point of it in the movie.Shvili wrote: Freddie pleading to be taken back after Mr. Bad Guy? Who came up with this BS? There's no way this is remotely close to reality.How can you be sure? Brian and Roger have chronically downplayed how bad things were behind the scenes in the 80s. It is undeniably true that they did have a meeting around this time where Mercury was given an ultimatum - them or Prenter. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if this scene was largely or entirely accurate. I'm just not sure if a Hollywood film was the right place to tell this part of their story. Something like that would have come to light long time ago. For example, watching this live aid interview, gives no indication Freddie was lat back with conditions or anything like that; the opposite, he seems to be in complete control and full of confidence as usual. link |
| The Real Wizard 24.10.2018 20:09 |
Shvili wrote: There may have been a conversation along this line, but i highly doubt it was dramatic and substantive enough to deserve making a point of it in the movie.As we've established, biopics are often anachronistic so that they can be more entertaining. The exchange in question (however it played out) almost certainly took place after Live Aid. Something like that would have come to light long time ago.See my previous two posts in this thread for why this is a poor argument. For example, watching this live aid interview, gives no indication Freddie was lat back with conditions or anything like that; the opposite, he seems to be in complete control and full of confidence as usual. linkWhatever interpersonal issues the band had in 1985 had weren't going to be acted out in an interview, let alone a couple days before Live Aid when they are in the midst of rehearsing for one of the biggest gigs of their career. The Sun City debacle caused much internal strain, and Mercury receiving 3x more cash for his solo album than the band did for The Works didn't help matters at all. But they put all the interpersonal stuff behind them and focused on the prize because they knew the show was an excellent opportunity to revitalize their career. Never underestimate the ability for rock stars to put PR ahead of everything when it matters most. |
| dysan 24.10.2018 20:52 |
Nice little report from Zanzibar on BBC World News if you can find it. |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 21:02 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Don't be daft. There's no friggin' way the band would consider for a second to not let Freddie back in the band. They are the ones who would be truly nothing without Freddie. It's just an insult to the intelligence to say otherwise. Want proof? It's 2018 and they have only attempted one album of new material without Freddie and it was a piece of shit flop ("The Cosmos Rocks"). They've been living off of their Freddie days since then. People have gotten careers thanks to Freddie- Marc Martel and Adam Lambert being the most obvious. Queen **is** Freddie Mercury (Edit: Meant to say Freddie Mercury IS Queen). It is not Queen with him. And YES Queen could've swapped out any other member and still succeeded. I doubt they'd be as good or AS successful but Freddie is the only irreplaceable member and Brian and Roger are trying to chance that perception. Only the casual ones will buy it.Fredfan wrote: wait Real Wizard - so did Fred really beg for his job?I wasn't there, so how would I know? |
| The Real Wizard 24.10.2018 21:06 |
YAFFF wrote:By 1985 they'd had enough of his ego (the ego that thought he could make an album as good as Thriller without the rest of the band), and they had made more than enough money that they could've walked away ten times over.The Real Wizard wrote:Don't be daft. There's no friggin' way the band would consider for a second to not let Freddie back in the band. They are the ones who would be truly nothing without Freddie.Fredfan wrote: wait Real Wizard - so did Fred really beg for his job?I wasn't there, so how would I know? After Mr Bad Guy colossally flopped, it was Mercury who realized he was nothing without them. His best creative days were behind him. How many hit songs did Mercury write between 1980-85 vs the other band members who picked up the slack? Their creative choices post-1997 are completely irrelevant. Don't you be daft. |
| blueroom 24.10.2018 21:13 |
Haven't seen the movie yet but that "We haven't played together in years" bit really confuses me. Works tour Japan leg was May 85, Live Aid was July 85. Even if they never spoke to each other in that interim it would have been a 2 month gap. Why they choose to make these things up is beyond me. Well, now all this movie crap is over, maybe they can get back to that anthology. |
| The Real Wizard 24.10.2018 21:18 |
YAFFF wrote: Queen **is** Freddie Mercury. It is not Queen with him. And YES Queen could've swapped out any other member and still succeeded. I doubt they'd be as good or AS successful but Freddie is the only irreplaceable member and Brian and Roger are trying to chance that perception.Absolute nonsense. The Queen sound almost entirely came from Smile. Have you heard the recordings of Mercury's band in 1969? It's utter shite. It was the combination of them that created the magic. They all brought the best out of each other, best exemplified in the 1974-77 period. They kept each other in check, and they are the only band in history where every member wrote a #1 song. A true collaboration of four equals. While Mercury and May wrote the bulk of the earlier material, all four of them were absolutely vital to the creative process and the business side of things. |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 21:26 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Absolute nonsense. The Queen sound came from Smile. Have you heard the recordings of Mercury's band in 1969? It's utter shite."Liar" formerly know as "Lover" was 10x better than anything Smile ever created so, fail. It was the combination of them that created the magic. They all brought the best out of each other, best exemplified in the 1974-77 period.I don't disagree with this at all. Of course it's so but Freddie is the heart and soul of the band/the sound/etc.. They kept each other in check, and they are the only band in history where every member wrote a #1 song. While Mercury and May wrote the bulk of the earlier material, all four of them were absolutely vital to the creative process and the business side of things.No argument here. Still, Queen IS NOT Freddie Mercury. Freddie Mercury IS Queen. I need to go back and change my post. This is what I meant. The other three just helped Freddie help them get where they are today. |
| Golden Salmon 24.10.2018 21:32 |
YAFFF wrote: Still, Queen IS NOT Freddie Mercury. Freddie Mercury IS Queen.So, 4 is not 1 but 1 is 4? |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 21:42 |
The Real Wizard wrote: By 1985 they'd had enough of his ego (the ego that thought he could make an album as good as Thriller without the rest of the band), and they had made more than enough money that they could've walked away ten times over. After Mr Bad Guy colossally flopped,In America. It was actually quite successful overall. Just not Queen standards. it was Mercury who realized he was nothing without them. His best creative days were behind him. How many hit songs did Mercury write between 1980-85 vs the other band members who picked up the slack?Yeah he may have realized that but it was also obvious that the other three were less than nothing with him even if they didn't say it publicly Let's see. 1979/1980 "The Game" Freddie alone: "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" & 'Play The Game" 2 hits John Deacon "Dust" 1 hit Brian May "Save Me" 1 hit Roger Taylor no hits 1982 "Hot Space" all four "Under Pressure" 1 hit Freddie Mercury "Body Language" #11 (highest charting single from the album in America) 1 hit Brian May "Las Palabras De Amor" 1 minor hit (only in UK) Roger Taylor John Deacon No Real hits. "Backchat" barely made Top 40 1984 "The Works" Freddie Mercy "It's A Hard Life" 1 hit Roger Taylor "Radio Ga Ga" 1 hit credited to Roger Taylor but transformed into a hit by Freddie (just like he did with "A Kind Of Magic") John Deacon "I Want To Break free" 1 hit Brian May "Hammer To Fall" 1 hit Sorry Freddie kept pace just fine. Freddie & Brian still most of the hits. Yes Roger added 1 hit and John 2 hits |
| The Real Wizard 24.10.2018 21:53 |
YAFFF wrote: "Liar" formerly know as "Lover" was 10x better than anything Smile ever created so, fail.And you've heard the original version of Lover before the other three members made their contributions? |
| The Real Wizard 24.10.2018 22:24 |
YAFFF wrote:In other words - it flopped. It had one single in the top 20, and went gold in the UK largely because of advance sales. Mercury was aiming for Thriller, and he cost Columbia millions because he couldn't deliver. There's a reason why Barcelona was on another label.The Real Wizard wrote: By 1985 they'd had enough of his ego (the ego that thought he could make an album as good as Thriller without the rest of the band), and they had made more than enough money that they could've walked away ten times over. After Mr Bad Guy colossally flopped,In America. It was actually quite successful overall. Just not Queen standards. Sorry Freddie kept pace just fine. Freddie & Brian still most of the hits. Yes Roger added 1 hit and John 2 hitsYour numbers there are skewed. You are conflating "hits" with "misses". Dust, Ga Ga, Break Free and Magic are the biggest songs of that period - none of which Mercury (or May) wrote. Mercury wrote most of the big songs between 74-79, but not after that. But you can spin that however you'd like, including "transforming" songs written by others into hits. Revisionist history at its finest. One could easily argue that the others helped Mercury's songs along just as much. Queen's most famous song is Bohemian Rhapsody. Imagine it without Roger Taylor's voice in the opera section. Get off your lectern. |
| k-m 24.10.2018 22:26 |
If anything like that ever happened and Freddie was forced to asking if they can kindly let him back in, then even worse for them. And if it's pure fiction (which I think it is), it simply amounts to an insult by Maylor, getting even and all that. Either way, not a good result, is it? Can't wait to see it actually. But gosh, I wish this day progressed differently. Sounds like such a lost opportunity, but I bet they will actually live off it for another few years. Blu-Ray, special editions, full feature with Bri's behind the scenes commentary, etc. |
| MemeOverlord69 24.10.2018 22:33 |
In the midst of all this bickering: I havent seen the film yet, so what's the deal with Bo Rhap from Edinburgh 1976? Is that what was originally suspected to be from 6/7/1977, and is it actually from Edinburgh? |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 22:39 |
I'm a fan of the 4 of them, but getting tired of Brian at this point...Are we really comparing one album that flopped from Freddie in 1985 that he did between Queen albums and Tours with almost 30 years of crap From Queen + after Freddie died? Brian and Roger went to shit after those last Freddie recordings In 1995. please save me this whole thing with all four members were great and contributed to the sound stuff...I been a die hard fan for over 30 years. I know all that. What I'm saying is you can't compare one album with 30 years of crap. They can't do anything right, even this Movie is a mess. by the way, how many classics have they written In the last 2 Decades without Freddie? I'll be waiting for you're long list....Side note....Cosmo Rocks sold less than the Infamous Bad Guy album....write those classics....I'm waiting! |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 23:12 |
YAFFF wrote:No Question Mercury was In a writing rut from 1980 to 1986, but What made songs like Dust and Magic/Break Free great were the vocal performance's of Freddie...Those songs had very little musical excellence to them, aside from perhaps the bass, but Mercury's vocal performance is what made those songs special. That's what people remember, and that's why he's considered one of the best singers In Rock n Roll history.The Real Wizard wrote: By 1985 they'd had enough of his ego (the ego that thought he could make an album as good as Thriller without the rest of the band), and they had made more than enough money that they could've walked away ten times over. After Mr Bad Guy colossally flopped,In America. It was actually quite successful overall. Just not Queen standards.it was Mercury who realized he was nothing without them. His best creative days were behind him. How many hit songs did Mercury write between 1980-85 vs the other band members who picked up the slack?Yeah he may have realized that but it was also obvious that the other three were less than nothing with him even if they didn't say it publicly Let's see. 1979/1980 "The Game" Freddie alone: "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" & 'Play The Game" 2 hits John Deacon "Dust" 1 hit Brian May "Save Me" 1 hit Roger Taylor no hits 1982 "Hot Space" all four "Under Pressure" 1 hit Freddie Mercury "Body Language" #11 (highest charting single from the album in America) 1 hit Brian May "Las Palabras De Amor" 1 minor hit (only in UK) Roger Taylor John Deacon No Real hits. "Backchat" barely made Top 40 1984 "The Works" Freddie Mercy "It's A Hard Life" 1 hit Roger Taylor "Radio Ga Ga" 1 hit credited to Roger Taylor but transformed into a hit by Freddie (just like he did with "A Kind Of Magic") John Deacon "I Want To Break free" 1 hit Brian May "Hammer To Fall" 1 hit Sorry Freddie kept pace just fine. Freddie & Brian still most of the hits. Yes Roger added 1 hit and John 2 hits |
| YAFFF 24.10.2018 23:31 |
mike hunt wrote: I'm a fan of the 4 of them, but getting tired of Brian at this point...Are we really comparing one album that flopped from Freddie in 1985 that he did between Queen albums and Tours with almost 30 years of crap From Queen + after Freddie died? Brian and Roger went to shit after those last Freddie recordings In 1995. please save me this whole thing with all four members were great and contributed to the sound stuff...I been a die hard fan for over 30 years. I know all that. What I'm saying is you can't compare one album with 30 years of crap. They can't do anything right, even this Movie is a mess. by the way, how many classics have they written In the last 2 Decades without Freddie? I'll be waiting for you're long list....Side note....Cosmo Rocks sold less than the Infamous Bad Guy album....write those classics....I'm waiting!Well yeah I'm a fan of the four as part of Queen but not Brian and Roger solo. There's no doubt in my mind it was the combo of all of them that results in their greatness but I still insist Freddie was the only indispensable member of the four. Just by virtue of being the singer you are the face of the band. It really doesn't matter at this point. I just wanted to vent a little because once again Brian has disappointed me with his peculiar jealousy of Freddie. |
| mike hunt 24.10.2018 23:47 |
I Just want that greatest hits list from wizard....The list of all the great songs that people still love That Brian and Roger wrote in the last 2 decades without Freddie and John...and please don't bring up Surf's Up and Still Burnin, or The Call, lol |
| splicksplack 25.10.2018 00:37 |
If FM was given an ultimatum by the rest of the band, can someone tell me what the reason is for using it as a pivotal moment in this film other than to big-up Brian and try to denigrate Freddie's obvious vital importance to the band, way above the other three. The visual focus of the band was always Freddie (why else is he the focus of all recent covers to the point of being the only member in sight - 'Queen Live At Wembley Stadium', 'Queen Rock Montreal', 'Queen: A Night At The Odeon', 'Queen: Hungarian Rhapsody'). Obviously because he is the draw and to Joe Public the others are almost a backing band. He was the writer of the hit songs that lifted them to stardom - "SSOR', 'KQ', ' BR', 'STL', 'WATC', CLTCL"- all first singles off their respective albums because they and the record company knew they were the sure-fire hitters. 'Now I'm Here ' and 'Tie Your Mother Down' do not cut it as commercialy viable singles. Brian knows it and fucking hates it. After 1980 it really didn't matter what came out as long at it wasn't utter shit. The grafting was done, They were now a stadium band. Hot Space? Still the audiences flocked in. They came to see Freddie singing the hits. He got the arses up. Not BM looking awkward over-compensating for his shyness with costumes he couldn't pull off while simultaneously trying to be the down and dirty rocker. As good as the rest of the band were, they were nothing without the catalyst of FM. And as we all know, the Live Aid performance was all about Freddie. If they did indeed make the ultimatum and Freddie had walked they would have cut off their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Freddie could easily have fronted another 4 piece rock band. They would have been lining up. With FM still performing Queen songs in a new band the others (even with Paul Rodgers, Adam Lambert or George Michael had they been options at the time) wouldn't have stood a cat in hell's chance. That's why I believe it is bollocks. And of course FM is not here to tell us his side. Convenient. |
| The Real Wizard 25.10.2018 00:42 |
mike hunt wrote: I Just want that greatest hits list from wizard....The list of all the great songs that people still love That Brian and Roger wrote in the last 2 decades without Freddie and John...and please don't bring up Surf's Up and Still Burnin, or The Call, lolYou don't need it from me - just go to Wikipedia. This discussion isn't about their post-1997 output. |
| YAFFF 25.10.2018 00:45 |
splicksplack wrote: If FM was given an ultimatum by the rest of the band, can someone tell me what the reason is for using it as a pivotal moment in this film other than to big-up Brian and try to denigrate Freddie's obvious vital importance to the band, way above the other three. The visual focus of the band was always Freddie (why else is he the focus of all recent covers to the point of being the only member in sight - 'Queen Live At Wembley Stadium', 'Queen Rock Montreal', 'Queen: A Night At The Odeon', 'Queen: Hungarian Rhapsody'). Obviously because he is the draw and to Joe Public the others are almost a backing band. He was the writer of the hit songs that lifted them to stardom - "SSOR', 'KQ', ' BR', 'STL', 'WATC', CLTCL"- all first singles off their respective albums because they and the record company knew they were the sure-fire hitters. 'Now I'm Here ' and 'Tie Your Mother Down' do not cut it as commercialy viable singles. Brian knows it and fucking hates it. After 1980 it really didn't matter what came out as long at it wasn't utter shit. The grafting was done, They were now a stadium band. Hot Space? Still the audiences flocked in. They came to see Freddie singing the hits. He got the arses up. Not BM looking awkward over-compensating for his shyness with costumes he couldn't pull off while simultaneously trying to be the down and dirty rocker. As good as the rest of the band were, they were nothing without the catalyst of FM. And as we all know, the Live Aid performance was all about Freddie. If they did indeed make the ultimatum and Freddie had walked they would have cut off their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Freddie could easily have fronted another 4 piece rock band. They would have been lining up. With FM still performing Queen songs in a new band the others (even with Paul Rodgers, Adam Lambert or George Michael had they been options at the time) wouldn't have stood a cat in hell's chance. That's why I believe it is bollocks. And of course FM is not here to tell us his side. Convenient.What? Haven't you seen that movie they did about Queen? FreddY was a nobody without Brian May and had to beg to even get back into Brian's band. They don't need FreddY anymore. Adam Lambert is way better and they are selling out with Adam. They don't need no FreddY. |
| YAFFF 25.10.2018 00:48 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Sad that one can probably trust Wikipedia more than Brian and Roger right about now.mike hunt wrote: I Just want that greatest hits list from wizard....The list of all the great songs that people still love That Brian and Roger wrote in the last 2 decades without Freddie and John...and please don't bring up Surf's Up and Still Burnin, or The Call, lolYou don't need it from me - just go to Wikipedia. |
| The Real Wizard 25.10.2018 00:48 |
splicksplack wrote: If they did indeed make the ultimatum and Freddie had walked they would have cut off their collective noses to spite their collective faces. Freddie could easily have fronted another 4 piece rock band. They would have been lining up. With FM still performing Queen songs in a new band the others (even with Paul Rodgers, Adam Lambert or George Michael had they been options at the time) wouldn't have stood a cat in hell's chance. That's why I believe it is bollocks.You make a good point. But let's not forget that by the time the alleged altercation occurred, Mercury may have learned about his illness, in which case forming another band would've been out of the question. |
| The Real Wizard 25.10.2018 00:50 |
YAFFF wrote: What? Haven't you seen that movie they did about Queen? FreddY was a nobody without Brian May and had to beg to even get back into Brian's band. They don't need FreddY anymore. Adam Lambert is way better and they are selling out with Adam. They don't need no FreddY. YAFFF wrote: Sad that one can probably trust Wikipedia more than Brian and Roger right about now.I guess that's the last time anyone should attempt to engage in rational dialogue with you. Carry on. |
| YAFFF 25.10.2018 00:53 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I guess it's the last time someone posts satire for someone as thick as you. Carry on.YAFFF wrote: What? Haven't you seen that movie they did about Queen? FreddY was a nobody without Brian May and had to beg to even get back into Brian's band. They don't need FreddY anymore. Adam Lambert is way better and they are selling out with Adam. They don't need no FreddY.YAFFF wrote: Sad that one can probably trust Wikipedia more than Brian and Roger right about now.I guess that's the last time anyone should attempt to engage in rational dialogue with you. Carry on. |
| mike hunt 25.10.2018 00:54 |
Thank u....The fact is, Bo Rhap was Queen's masterpiece In The studio, written by Mercury....Live Aid was considered a watershed moment live, as Brian said, Freddie stole the show...Freddie wrote the first hits that made them stars...Some people can't handle the truth....Doesn't mean It was the Freddie band, obviously they were all talented. Brian was/is An Influence as a guitarist, but he does seem a bit Jealous of Freddie, and this movie with that scene proves it. |
| Saint Jiub 25.10.2018 01:43 |
This Paul Prenter intervention legend was actually was an intervention to prevent Freddie from leaving Queen. By issuing the so-called Paul Prenter ultimatum, Queen was essentially "begging" Freddie to stay, but the movie says the exact opposite. link link Apocalipsis_Darko: Yes, the Prenter thing I wrote it because Peter Freestone told me in a interview. Specific words: " Paul Prenter was pushing Freddie to break away from Queen and the others in the band were worried that Paul would succeed in getting Freddie away. They were not worried for themselves, but for their great friend, Freddie, who they thought was being led to a world that he would be totally reliant on Paul. The meeting was set up in a neutral place that gave Freddie the breathing space that he did not have with Paul around, and he was able to see what was happening". Said that, Freddie was adult to know what he was doing, not being so obvious to say Prenter was a mentalist... |
| cmsdrums 25.10.2018 07:56 |
Having now seen the film...... Rami Malek is magnificent. He doesn't do an 'impression' (which many seem to be wanting to see), but delivers a performance, full of heart and vigour and soul and humour that fleshes Freddie out as a human being and not a caricature Gwilym Lee is uncanny...everything about his Brian performance is spot on, and mimics every nuance without it ever seeming forced (and the voice?!!!) I was one of those seething at all the factual inaccuracies and chronological issues we knew about, but now having seen the movie I appreciate that they have to simplify and streamline a LOT of events to make a flowing narrative and storyline for the average cinema goer. They have achieved this, and my wife and two daughters that saw it with me loved it, and said it all made sense to them. Of all those bits playing fast and loose with the real events, the big ones for me that I am still not comfortable with are: 1) the band split/Freddie solo flop and crawling back to the band, and 2) the timing of his AIDS diagnosis and then having him tell the band about it in Live Aid rehearsals, whereas we know they didn't find out until around '89, and he had only previously told Mary (and possibly Jim x 2 (Hutton and Beach?) . Going forward there will be generations saying 'Freddie knew he had AIDS before Live Aid and then immediately told the band because I saw it in their film' (no matter how little BM and RMT had to do with script, story etc... people WILL deem it THEIR film and hold them accountable).. I actually don't think they portrayed Prenter as badly as they could/should have - a lot of his actions were just hinted at and not delved into and could have made a more interesting story to see him actually 'caught red handed' by the band as opposed to just really Freddie deciding to split with him. Again, all the issues up front with the Sheffield Brothers not being portrayed, John Reid on the scene too early and representing them for too long etc.. are in there, but I CAN see why they would want a neater story of struggling band gets manager, toemented singer fires manager (don't know how Reid will feel about this telling of it), and band then hires existing lawyer as manager. Brian is portrayed very much as 'second in command', and John chips in probably in a fairly realistic way, but my biggest contention is with how they show Roger. He's portrayed as effectively the 'comic turn' - not really interested in the music (a 'joke' song in 'I'm in Love With My Car' and not interested in taking recording the Bo Rhap vocals seriously), and a few quips on womanising and partying. I know it's only a minor point, but Roger's wig is horrendous; they tweak Brian's hair throughout (right shorter length around 1980, different shades, etc..), Freddie's is pretty bang on, and John's is updated contemporaneously...whereas Roger has the same wig throughout (with maybe one timeframe where they take a little bit off the bottom) - late 70s, early 80s his hair was pretty short at times, but here it's just the usual flowing 1975-esque shoulder length effort with a centre parting. Poor show really. The live show recreations are great - I've not seen a music film where the actors look as authentic and as if they're actually playing the instruments or singing - the editing and acting on the show sections are really great; the pace of those montages and the sound and more frenetic pacing of the music is really evocative and stirs a real sense of excitement and togetherness between and audience at those shows. Overall I'd go with 3.5/5.......captures Freddie's spirit admirably, the music sounds fantastic and as a film is a good solid story, but knowing what I know about the history, I think a few TOO many liberties were taken when they could have been more accurate without detracting from the whole piece in any way. |
| Captain Lens 25.10.2018 08:40 |
This is a Hard Life to write a review of this film. its a film about Queen. Its a film about Freddie Mercury. Its a film about their music. First off, all the actors did a great job portraying their roles. Stand out performances are John Deacon and Brian May. They got it spot on. Rami gets Freddie as much as he misses Freddie. He is a GOOD actor. Did not reflect the real Freddie, more what most people think he is like behind closed doors. The sets are fabulous, the costumes are spot on, the feel of the time is great, the props are stellar. they did a great job re-creating the times of Queen. Sadly all of the above has a sour taste in my mouth when it is backed up with artistic license. There is too much of it and it spoils the whole film. Too many times am I going WTF? The timeline is messed up and the editing is confusing to those who know Freddie and who know their music intimately. Saying all this I know Brian and Roger are happy with it and Freddie would have loved the attention the music is getting around the world because of the film. I think doing a REAL tale of the band and Freddie would be something Freddie would have not wanted, but then he has said he wouldn't care after he dies.... I feel its a real watered down version of the REAL history for the world. Its more the story that the band would want to tell if they wrote their own version rather than what happened the way it happened. To condense 15 years of Queen and Freddie history down to 2 hours was a task that is very hard. Too many stories with Freddie and moments worthy of seeing. This would have been better served as a TV Series instead of a 2 hour film. Saying all this, I really enjoyed it and was singing along all the way through... Anybody else lend their voice to the crowd scene at the end????? |
| Rick 25.10.2018 09:23 |
I will give this movie a shot when it's on Netflix, which probably means never. |
| Togg 25.10.2018 09:28 |
The part in which Freddie has a meeting to get back with teh band IS historically accurate, that meetig happened, and had Mr Bad Guy been massive, who here thinks Freddie wouldn't have gone off touring and promoting it... Also for the first time it's confirmed it was two album deal, something that was rumoured beofre but never really confirmed officially after the ablum bombed. The band were massively pissed that size of the deal Freddie got that's well documented, and yes they may well have split up in that period, so while all the words may not be 100% accurate the tone of Freddie wanting to come back and admitting he'd been a prick with Prenter is accurate... Lots of this was out in the public arena at the time. |
| Togg 25.10.2018 10:14 |
Very interesting article from the screenwriter... He has steered 40 movies and television series to the screen, has won an Oscar and worked with director Martin Scorsese and stars like Leonardo DiCaprio, Johnny Depp and Angelina Jolie. His movies have earned some 65 Oscar nominations, but nothing 56-year-old Graham King experienced came close to the difficulties, traumas and setbacks he encountered during the ten long years he spent producing Bohemian Rhapsody, the story of the flamboyant singer Freddie Mercury and the band Queen. First there was the problem of getting the rights from Queen members Brian May and Roger Taylor, who were initially reluctant for the movie to take place. Then Sacha Baron Cohen, who was originally set to play Mercury, feuded with Queen leader Brian May and badmouthed the script. The script was re-thought and rewritten more times than King can count. And while filming was well underway, the director Bryan Singer was fired. "Freddie Mercury has been throwing hurdles at me for ten years and continues to do so," says King ruefully. "Every time we thought we were on the right track, something else would go wrong." The British-born producer, whose movies include The Aviator, Argo, The Rum Diaries, Hugo and The Departed, for which he won an Oscar, is talking in a Beverly Hills screening room after unveiling a 25-minute clip of Bohemian Rhapsody, which stars Rami Malek, from the TV series “Mr. Robot,” as Freddie Mercury. King is relieved and delighted that his vision has finally made it to the screen and is ready for release. But he is also wracked with nervous anxiety as he anticipates audience reaction to the project. "We've made a film that's got to please a lot of audience members and millions of Queen fans," he says. "We don't hide from Freddie Mercury having HIV and getting AIDS. We don't hide his sexuality, but every time we put a piece of footage out there, somebody says, 'You're not showing Freddie Mercury doing this or that.' "I think Rock Hudson and Freddie were the first two major stars to pass away from AIDS. We were never going to hide from that, but the question was how we were going to put it into the film without it becoming Philadelphia or without it becoming a movie about AIDS or about sexuality. He was one of the greatest performers of our time and with one of the greatest voices. So that's what we've struggled with for so long—putting all these ingredients into a 120-page script. And even up until the last second we were changing dialogue and changing scenes. "For me, it was about getting the script right and it was the development that took so many years. When you're developing someone's life story into a two-hour film, you've got to pick the moments. And with Freddie’s life it took so much work, and so many writers came in to help to build this story and hopefully tell the right story. We all know you get one shot in a film at telling the story and it was never quite right for a long time. I would keep going off to do another movie, then coming back to the drawing board and figuring out how we can get this done.” Growing up in London, King remembers seeing Queen on the “Top of the Pops” television show and marveling at the flamboyance of Freddie Mercury. "I was just mesmerized watching him because of his looks and voice and the chemistry he had with an audience," he recalls. "I always said that if he was a politician he could go in front of 400,000 people and just command respect and show them and teach them where to go. No one cared if he was straight or gay, which you couldn't say about many entertainers. So, for me, it was all about telling the life story of someone that people don't know a lot about." After much negotiating and difficulty, King managed to obtain the movie rights from Brian May, Roger Taylor and Queen's longtime manager, Jim Beach. "But they were very opinionated in the early days about the movie they wanted," King recalls. "I told May, 'We're making a film, not a documentary, and if you don't stick to every minute of history and every song it's okay, you can get away with it.'" He finally won over May and Taylor, but then, he says, "the whole Sacha Baron Cohen thing happened." He was shooting Hugo at the time, which co-starred Baron Cohen. "Sacha clearly had a passion to play Freddie Mercury, but there was no script and there was nothing done at the time," King says. "As a producer, until I have a screenplay and until I have a director, I'm not going to ever hire a cast member. Sacha wanted me to sign his deal and I didn't, and he got mad and it all kind of kicked off from there. "There was a lot of talk from him about how in the script Freddie dies halfway through and then the movie is about the band. Well, that's never, ever been the case. The movie is bookended with the Live Aid concert and starts and ends with Live Aid. "Then the whole Sacha-Brian May thing became a war in the press, and for me it was always about Brian May, who anytime could say, 'Let's not bother making this film.' Queen didn't need to make the film. They didn't need money, so the friction between Sacha and Brian May became nerve-wracking to me, because any minute he could have just pulled the plug." King spent hours and days sitting with the band and asking questions about Freddie and their lives with him. But all the time he was worried that they might change their minds. "Whether I had the rights or not, if they weren't going to support the film and didn't want to get involved, I would never make the film. So that was always the big tension for me. Other than that, I think they've been terrific. "But there were times where they would be like, 'Are we actually going to make this movie?' And I don't think Brian May ever thought we were going to make the film. And when I said I'd got it green-lit at Fox, I think I called his bluff in a way." He laughs. "But it was a lot of meetings, a lot of getting together and I realize that their life stories are going to be on 6,000 screens around the world, so I understand how nervous they are." Ben Whishaw was mentioned as a possible Freddie Mercury, but again, no script was ready. Then, King recalls, "I was in London shooting a film and Denis O’Sullivan, who works with me, called me and said, 'I think I've found our Freddie Mercury. I'd love you to fly back to L.A. to meet this guy Rami Malek and spend some time with him.' "So I did and I think he was really nervous, but there was a little bit of Freddie in him then and he really wanted this gig. And I think we would have been killed if we had a white Freddie Mercury. Freddie was born in Zanzibar and went to school in Mumbai, while Rami has an Egyptian and Greek background. But it wasn't about the look; I wasn't looking for an impersonator, there was just something about him. "He put himself on an iPhone, copying one of Freddie’s interviews and he sent that to me. And I was like, 'Oh my God, that's Freddie Mercury.' I knew right then that was it—done, done, done! Sometimes it's a gut feeling and I know it sounds a bit corny, but I knew he was right for the part. I've worked with Daniel Day Lewis and Leo and all these guys and this performance I think is one of the best I've ever seen. It's unbelievable. Unbelievable." The songs in the movie are performed by Freddie, Rami and a Freddie sound-alike named Marc Martel. "Rami sings a little bit in the film, there's a lot of Freddie Mercury obviously, and a lot of Marc Martel. He sent a video to Brian May and Roger Taylor and he sounds exactly like Freddie Mercury. We knew that we had someone we could use for parts that maybe Rami couldn't do and obviously Freddie didn't do. So we were in Abbey Road recording studio for maybe two and a half months with Marc and with Rami, recording bits and pieces that we knew we needed. It's hard to find someone who can sing like Freddie Mercury and I'm not sure the movie w |
| Vocal harmony 25.10.2018 10:47 |
mike hunt wrote: Thank u....The fact is, Bo Rhap was Queen's masterpiece In The studio, written by Mercury....Live Aid was considered a watershed moment live, as Brian said, Freddie stole the show...Freddie wrote the first hits that made them stars...Some people can't handle the truth....Doesn't mean It was the Freddie band, obviously they were all talented. Brian was/is An Influence as a guitarist, but he does seem a bit Jealous of Freddie, and this movie with that scene proves it.Both Brian and Roger have been very vocal (all along) about how great Freddie was, as a song writer, vocalist, musician and front man. How anyone can turn that into proof of jealousy is a bit far off the mark. People made noises about the film being watered down and skipping over what really happened, I guess gay bars, lines of coke etc is what some were expecting to see or wanted to see.We all know that went on, and to some excess sometimes. But when the film presents a chapter in the band's history that you weren't expecting or don't want to accept, then it gets labelled as untrue. |
| Vocal harmony 25.10.2018 11:00 |
Togg wrote: The part in which Freddie has a meeting to get back with teh band IS historically accurate, that meetig happened, and had Mr Bad Guy been massive, who here thinks Freddie wouldn't have gone off touring and promoting it... Also for the first time it's confirmed it was two album deal, something that was rumoured beofre but never really confirmed officially after the ablum bombed. The band were massively pissed that size of the deal Freddie got that's well documented, and yes they may well have split . . . . . .Funny that I posted in this forum in the past that that or something similar is what happened and I was shot down by certain members. Now that it's in the film, a film people wanted the nitty gritty to be exposed in, some still don't believe this happened. I guess had the film claimed they played to a million people at Rio that would have been believable! |
| cmsdrums 25.10.2018 11:08 |
Togg wrote: Also for the first time it's confirmed it was two album deal, something that was rumoured beofre but never really confirmed officially after the ablum bombed. .I certainly remember the two album deal info being out there in the last few years, especially in an interview with Jim Beach. I wasn't however aware of it at the time of Mr Bad Guy, but then it was pre internet so pretty easy to understand that it just wouldn't have been reported. |
| Darren_1977 25.10.2018 11:41 |
Was Barbara Valentin featured or the 39th birthday in Munich recreated. was there any scenes of drug use or did they bypass all this debauchery! |
| Togg 25.10.2018 12:40 |
cmsdrums wrote:I think it first came to my attention when The Great Pretender came out, rumours were he was making a full album of coversTogg wrote: Also for the first time it's confirmed it was two album deal, something that was rumoured beofre but never really confirmed officially after the ablum bombed. .I certainly remember the two album deal info being out there in the last few years, especially in an interview with Jim Beach. I wasn't however aware of it at the time of Mr Bad Guy, but then it was pre internet so pretty easy to understand that it just wouldn't have been reported. |
| Togg 25.10.2018 12:45 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Yep, I can remember hearing Freddie had left Queen a week or so before Mr Bad Guy came out, then it got a fair bit of attention in the press and people were ringing the Fan club trying to find out. I think it's actually a pretty close representation of what happened at that point.Togg wrote: The part in which Freddie has a meeting to get back with teh band IS historically accurate, that meetig happened, and had Mr Bad Guy been massive, who here thinks Freddie wouldn't have gone off touring and promoting it... Also for the first time it's confirmed it was two album deal, something that was rumoured beofre but never really confirmed officially after the ablum bombed. The band were massively pissed that size of the deal Freddie got that's well documented, and yes they may well have split . . . . . .Funny that I posted in this forum in the past that that or something similar is what happened and I was shot down by certain members. Now that it's in the film, a film people wanted the nitty gritty to be exposed in, some still don't believe this happened. I guess had the film claimed they played to a million people at Rio that would have been believable! |
| Voice of Reason 2018 25.10.2018 12:57 |
Togg wrote:Mr. Bad Guy came out on 29 April. Queen were in Australia and had six more shows to do oin Japan.Vocal harmony wrote:Yep, I can remember hearing Freddie had left Queen a week or so before Mr Bad Guy came out, then it got a fair bit of attention in the press and people were ringing the Fan club trying to find out. I think it's actually a pretty close representation of what happened at that point.Togg wrote: The part in which Freddie has a meeting to get back with teh band IS historically accurate, that meetig happened, and had Mr Bad Guy been massive, who here thinks Freddie wouldn't have gone off touring and promoting it... Also for the first time it's confirmed it was two album deal, something that was rumoured beofre but never really confirmed officially after the ablum bombed. The band were massively pissed that size of the deal Freddie got that's well documented, and yes they may well have split . . . . . .Funny that I posted in this forum in the past that that or something similar is what happened and I was shot down by certain members. Now that it's in the film, a film people wanted the nitty gritty to be exposed in, some still don't believe this happened. I guess had the film claimed they played to a million people at Rio that would have been believable! We just seem to keep going around in circles. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 25.10.2018 12:58 |
'We haven't played together in years' -'We were in Japan last week Rog' 'Oh yeah!' I saw it last night. I thought it was pretty poor. And laughable too. So much so that I didn't even get angry at what I was seeing. I hope now I can forget the film, get back to my life and look forward to the tour! And maybe spend less time on the Forums! Take care. Cheers. |
| Togg 25.10.2018 13:16 |
Voice of Reason 2018 wrote:Togg wrote:Mr. Bad Guy came out on 29 April. Queen were in Australia and had six more shows to do oin Japan. We just seem to keep going around in circles. Indeed they were, but Freddie had a terrible tour, drunk much of the time, even on stage, he was not really putting his heart and soul into Queen at that point rumours were flying around, this was obviously before the internet or youtube so much was being stirred up by the press, I had a newpaper clipping from then saying he'd left... Whether he actually intended to leave or not there's no doubt Prenter had been pushing for exactly that during this time. That's been quoted before by a number of people. Rumours kept coming out even till 86 at which point Freddie states on stage they are not breaking up.. The band were pissed at his record deal and frankly since Hot Space flopped had struggled to keep it together until Live Aid. There was no begging to come back, but there was a decision to make as to whether Queen would carry on after the far east tour, luckily Live Aid came along or they may well have called it a day, that has been quotes a million times...Vocal harmony wrote:Yep, I can remember hearing Freddie had left Queen a week or so before Mr Bad Guy came out, then it got a fair bit of attention in the press and people were ringing the Fan club trying to find out. I think it's actually a pretty close representation of what happened at that point.Togg wrote: The part in which Freddie has a meeting to get back with teh band IS historically accurate, that meetig happened, and had Mr Bad Guy been massive, who here thinks Freddie wouldn't have gone off touring and promoting it... Also for the first time it's confirmed it was two album deal, something that was rumoured beofre but never really confirmed officially after the ablum bombed. The band were massively pissed that size of the deal Freddie got that's well documented, and yes they may well have split . . . . . .Funny that I posted in this forum in the past that that or something similar is what happened and I was shot down by certain members. Now that it's in the film, a film people wanted the nitty gritty to be exposed in, some still don't believe this happened. I guess had the film claimed they played to a million people at Rio that would have been believable! |
| mike hunt 25.10.2018 13:43 |
Togg... good post, there was no begging to come back is my and Yaff's only point....Freddie going in the wrong direction with Paul is well Documented and they did have a meeting without Paul around. No one's debating that. |
| mike hunt 25.10.2018 14:12 |
Vocal harmony wrote:mike hunt wrote: Thank u....The fact is, Bo Rhap was Queen's masterpiece In The studio, written by Mercury....Live Aid was considered a watershed moment live, as Brian said, Freddie stole the show...Freddie wrote the first hits that made them stars...Some people can't handle the truth....Doesn't mean It was the Freddie band, obviously they were all talented. Brian was/is An Influence as a guitarist, but he does seem a bit Jealous of Freddie, and this movie with that scene proves it.Both Brian and Roger have been very vocal (all along) about how great Freddie was, as a song writer, vocalist, musician and front man. How anyone can turn that into proof of jealousy is a bit far off the mark. People made noises about the film being watered down and skipping over what really happened, I guess gay bars, lines of coke etc is what some were expecting to see or wanted to see.We all know that went on, and to some excess sometimes. But when the film presents a chapter in the band's history that you weren't expecting or don't want to accept, then it gets labelled as untrue. |
| on my way up 25.10.2018 14:25 |
NickESB wrote: The meeting to let Freddie back in the band IS in the film. It’s a bit lighthearted but it happens. Forgot to say, that Live Aid day begins with Freddie taking Jim (who he tracks down for the first time since meeting in 1980) to his parents for tea. There’s also a line in which Freddie says to Mary that he’s “got to finish his second album”, put in around the time of the MBG sessions (no mention of opera, either!). Golden Salmon: the only thing that stood out was the live Bo Rhap audio (1975 era) in which Freddie sounded amazing. I’m not convinced that the audio is Edinburgh 1976, which the recreated performance was meant to resemble. Most performances are partial; Live Aid has abridged versions of BR/RGG/HTF/WATC and the vocal improvisation. It’s easy to work out when it’s Marc Martel’s vocals; main one I remember is when Freddie is at a piano improvising the lyrics/chords to LOML. WWRY Movie Mix is a bit different to the soundtrack and automatically less jarring. Freddie’s first performance with Smile (playing KYA) has him screwing up the lyrics. Brian is heard saying “learn the words, Freddie”, or words to that extent. FM’s voice is also portrayed to be in bad form at the Live Aid rehearsals (in the film said to be a week out from the gig) which prompts him to tell the band about his illness. In general, I still don’t know what to make of it. The outfits and sets look fantastic, and are largely accurately recreated throughout (down to the Live Aid camera crew who Freddie messes with during HTF). One of the best moments is the way one dark scene goes straight into the Break Free video recording; a great juxtaposition. Also, the recreation of the Killer Queen video is excellent - features the side-on angle (from Roger's right-hand side, if you follow), which was a great touch. It ends with a shot of Wembley (recreated stunningly throughout the Live Aid sequence) and the Live Aid audio echoing (as per the soundtrack), before the credits start with an acapella first verse to DSTMN. There’s a small timeline (Freddie death date, Freddie and Jim lived together, set up of Mercury Phoenix Trust, Bo Rhap re-release, from memory) - no mention of Queen “continuing” to this day, which will please some. DSMN audio eventually fades into the TSMGO.Does anyone have more info about that Bohemian Rhapsody rock section live audio? It's not the one we've seen in one of the trailers (that was mostly Earls Court)? |
| mike hunt 25.10.2018 14:37 |
My post was erased....Bottom line, the movie is full of lies...They didn't need made up Drama like The Aids Diagnosis right before live Aid or Freddie begging for his Job back. The real story was far more Interesting and enough drama on It's own..what I wanted In the film? Not the sex, Drugs, though I do think some of that should be shown..Just show what happened... He had a feeling he had the Illness before Live Aid...got Diagnosed In 1987, sang with that big lady, like Deacon said...Got back with Queen In 1989, with failing health They bonded like never before and created some of their best songs for Innuendo...then show him coughing towards the end, right back to Live Aid for a feel good ending... The show Must Go On playing for the closing credits...They could also show the Paparazzi harassing Freddie, his bandmates, Family, friends protecting him...The drama is in the real story, no need to make stuff up... |
| Star* 25.10.2018 14:43 |
Mike Hunt: Brian was always jealous of Freddie in everything he did, and only now May thinks Queen is his band even though poor Roger is still on drums its May that preaches what happens and when. Mercury always dismissed many of Brian's ideas in the recording studios and fierce rows would happen in who would have the last say. "Smile" was Mays idea, then other tasteless projects like Dappy, Five, Robbie Williams, The coke adverts, Adam Lambert, all of those things may have been rejected by Freddie! This new film i would give 4 out of 10. |
| Fredfan 25.10.2018 14:59 |
thanks for all these impressions - am in the US where the advance screening is not until Halloween. I'll still watch the movie but might be cringing all throughout |
| YAFFF 25.10.2018 15:08 |
mike hunt wrote: My post was erased....Bottom line, the movie is full of lies...They didn't need made up Drama like The Aids Diagnosis right before live Aid or Freddie begging for his Job back. The real story was far more Interesting and enough drama on It's own..what I wanted In the film? Not the sex, Drugs, though I do think some of that should be shown..Just show what happened... He had a feeling he had the Illness before Live Aid...got Diagnosed In 1987, sang with that big lady, like Deacon said...Got back with Queen In 1989, with failing health They bonded like never before and created some of their best songs for Innuendo...then show him coughing towards the end, right back to Live Aid for a feel good ending... The show Must Go On playing for the closing credits...They could also show the Paparazzi harassing Freddie, his bandmates, Family, friends protecting him...The drama is in the real story, no need to make stuff up...Absolutely I've read like 5 bios on Freddie. An awesome movie is waiting to be made! His life is fascinating. Granted it would be hard to make one film to do it justice but from everything I've seen and heard "BR" is a missed opportunity and a disservice to Freddie. I'm now reading some comments claiming it's borderline homophobic the way his gay tendencies are portrayed as Freddie behaving badly. I haven't seen the film yet (and will when I can watch it for free- not going to support this thing with my $$- got tired of rewarding Brian and Roger for mediocrity) but it seems to me the more analytical a person the less they enjoy it. I kinda envy the easily impressed. I know that's a smug thing to say but it's likely true. |
| The Real Wizard 25.10.2018 15:30 |
YAFFF wrote: I guess it's the last time someone posts satire for someone as thick as you. Carry on.That wasn't satire - it was nonsense. And a last resort for someone who didn't have an actual argument in response. Again - carry on. |
| YAFFF 25.10.2018 15:33 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Yes it was. You're too thick to get it.YAFFF wrote: I guess it's the last time someone posts satire for someone as thick as you. Carry on.That wasn't satire - it was nonsense. And a last resort for someone who didn't have an actual argument in response. Again - carry on. Again, carry on being thick |
| The Real Wizard 25.10.2018 16:43 |
mike hunt wrote: My post was erasedlink If you take more than 20 minutes to write a post, follow these directions so that you don't end up with a blank post. The guy who runs this forum won't fix the bug, so that's the workaround. |
| The Real Wizard 25.10.2018 16:46 |
YAFFF wrote:Clearly this indicates that you don't know what satire is. Pretending to be a moron who doesn't know how to spell Freddie's name isn't satire.The Real Wizard wrote:Yes it was. You're too thick to get it. Again, carry on being thickYAFFF wrote: I guess it's the last time someone posts satire for someone as thick as you. Carry on.That wasn't satire - it was nonsense. And a last resort for someone who didn't have an actual argument in response. Again - carry on. Either way - the fact that you're fixated on this instead of responding to my last post to you indicates who has the correct facts here. So enjoy your "satire". |
| The Real Wizard 25.10.2018 16:47 |
Mr Right wrote: Brian was always jealous of Freddie in everything he didMore character assassination from the keyboard warrior. And look who needed to bring up Adam Lambert for the thousandth time when nobody asked them to. You are a waste of sperm. |
| The Real Wizard 25.10.2018 16:49 |
Vocal harmony wrote:100% bang on, both of you.Togg wrote: The part in which Freddie has a meeting to get back with teh band IS historically accurate, that meetig happened, and had Mr Bad Guy been massive, who here thinks Freddie wouldn't have gone off touring and promoting it... Also for the first time it's confirmed it was two album deal, something that was rumoured beofre but never really confirmed officially after the ablum bombed. The band were massively pissed that size of the deal Freddie got that's well documented, and yes they may well have split . . . . . .Funny that I posted in this forum in the past that that or something similar is what happened and I was shot down by certain members. Now that it's in the film, a film people wanted the nitty gritty to be exposed in, some still don't believe this happened. |
| MercurialFreddie 25.10.2018 17:11 |
The Real Wizard wrote:As Saint Juib wrote:Vocal harmony wrote:100% bang on, both of you.Togg wrote: The part in which Freddie has a meeting to get back with teh band IS historically accurate, that meetig happened, and had Mr Bad Guy been massive, who here thinks Freddie wouldn't have gone off touring and promoting it... Also for the first time it's confirmed it was two album deal, something that was rumoured beofre but never really confirmed officially after the ablum bombed. The band were massively pissed that size of the deal Freddie got that's well documented, and yes they may well have split . . . . . .Funny that I posted in this forum in the past that that or something similar is what happened and I was shot down by certain members. Now that it's in the film, a film people wanted the nitty gritty to be exposed in, some still don't believe this happened. This Paul Prenter intervention legend was actually was an intervention to prevent Freddie from leaving Queen. By issuing the so-called Paul Prenter ultimatum, Queen was essentially "begging" Freddie to stay, but the movie says the exact opposite. link link Apocalipsis_Darko: Yes, the Prenter thing I wrote it because Peter Freestone told me in a interview. Specific words: " Paul Prenter was pushing Freddie to break away from Queen and the others in the band were worried that Paul would succeed in getting Freddie away. They were not worried for themselves, but for their great friend, Freddie, who they thought was being led to a world that he would be totally reliant on Paul. The meeting was set up in a neutral place that gave Freddie the breathing space that he did not have with Paul around, and he was able to see what was happening". Said that, Freddie was adult to know what he was doing, not being so obvious to say Prenter was a mentalist...The only person who could tell his side of the story is either dead (Freddie) or prevented from doing that (Phoebe). I suspect the contracts signed between each parties (movie makers / RT, BM, Phoebe) even prevents them or to be precise forbids them from saying anything that could in any way hurt the movie. As one person on this forum said, BM and RT are no saints and the process of making MIH proved it. If this film is a way to get even for them then... I pity them. Has there been no comment from Freddie's estate since the premiere of the movie ? |
| mike hunt 25.10.2018 17:21 |
around around we go.....A few thinks I'll like too add...this isn't a competition Freddie vs Brian and Roger...not sure why every discussion needs fighting about who was better...also, something that bugs me is, why is The flaws of Mercury so Important more so than the others?. Roger had 2 or 3 solo albums by 1985 that flopped...If those albums took off would he have left Queen? why is that never mentioned? but Mercury putting out a dance album is such a big deal?... Brian has stated In Interviews that he lost his cool numerous times In the studio, stormed out and said I'm not coming back, but always did. why is that not a big deal? They all had problems and thought about leaving the band at different times...Is this Just proof, that while all great and obviously better together than apart Mercury was the star of the group...or else, Instead of Freddie and his personal flaws they would make a Movie based around Brian cheating on his wife. |
| YAFFF 25.10.2018 17:24 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I guess you don't know the meaning of "tragic irony" either let alone satire. Clearly *you* don't comprehend what satire is and by the way my post was more than misspelling Freddie's name. Oh wait. I guess we have to add a lack of reading comprehension or maybe reading itself to your misfortune.YAFFF wrote:Clearly this indicates that you don't know what satire is. Pretending to be a moron who doesn't know how to spell Freddie's name isn't satire. Either way - the fact that you're fixated on this instead of responding to my last post to you indicates who has the correct facts here. So enjoy your "satire".The Real Wizard wrote:Yes it was. You're too thick to get it. Again, carry on being thickYAFFF wrote: I guess it's the last time someone posts satire for someone as thick as you. Carry on.That wasn't satire - it was nonsense. And a last resort for someone who didn't have an actual argument in response. Again - carry on. Pity, Enjoy your tragically ironic thickness, Surreal Wizzer.... |
| YAFFF 25.10.2018 17:44 |
mike hunt wrote: Brian has stated In Interviews that he lost his cool numerous times In the studio, stormed out and said I'm not coming back, but always did. why is that not a big deal? They all had problems and thought about leaving the band at different times...Is this Just proof, that while all great and obviously better together than apart Mercury was the star of the group...or else, Instead of Freddie and his personal flaws they would make a Movie based around Brian cheating on his wife.Hey I'm sure all them personal flaws and leaving Queen tantrums are evenly illuminated...just not in this farce of a biopic. |
| rockchic65 25.10.2018 17:47 |
Mr Right wrote: Mike Hunt: Brian was always jealous of Freddie in everything he did, and only now May thinks Queen is his band even though poor Roger is still on drums its May that preaches what happens and when. Mercury always dismissed many of Brian's ideas in the recording studios and fierce rows would happen in who would have the last say. "Smile" was Mays idea, then other tasteless projects like Dappy, Five, Robbie Williams, The coke adverts, Adam Lambert, all of those things may have been rejected by Freddie! This new film i would give 4 out of 10.Poor Roger lol. Love how you paint him as this pathetic guy who hasn't got a say in anything and just has to tag along behind Brian. You can't seriously think that's the case, why would he have any less say in things? Just because they're doing things you don't like you have to find a reason for it and that reason clearly has to be Brian!! |
| dysan 25.10.2018 18:37 |
Imagine working in an office together for 40 plus years. They have their roles and 'get' each other's quirks. |
| Darren_1977 25.10.2018 18:44 |
Haven’t seen the new film yet , but everybody should check out the low budget somebody to love film that’s out on YouTube, a very gritty film but some brilliant acting by the guy that plays Freddie and at least they cover live aid to the end unlike making up a load of bollocks that Queen ended in ‘85. I can see were SBCohen was going and why he was pissed off with Queens version of events |
| dysan 25.10.2018 18:50 |
Link? |
| 4 x Vision 25.10.2018 20:24 |
Ages since I've been here. Just saw BR. My friend in work got it right on the nose when he said, "you might see it differently to the average movie goer/Queen GH fan cos you know the story". He was so right. Ps... I didn't care about them messing with factual history. I disliked the first half but disliked the second half less. First half was a mess, it had no continuity, it was just a bunch of little scenes with poor dialogue, with a bunch of tit bits for proper Queen fans. I can only guess it might have been confusing to non-Queen fans tbh. Second half when Freddie went off the rails could have been done better and should have been the main focus of the movie if it had more flesh to it. The bits with Paul Prenter and Jim Hutton were really poorly written. Choosing Prenter as a bad guy was a good call, but they could have done way more to show how he effected Freddie and the band relationship wise. Jim Hutton basically became his lover the morning of Live Aid... met his parents and then watched them in concert proud of his brave new partner lol. This movie was saved by the Live Aid sequence which was tremendous to watch and so well edited with the swooping angles of the crowd and had me for the first time with a lump in my throat. This movie majorly came across as Brian and Roger saying... "WE EXISTED IN QUEEN TOO (oh, and so did John)". Came across as borderline childish at times the scenes where they basically want the viewers to know... "I wrote that". From a story arch POV the whole Freddie being outed theme is rather dated and most younger (or older) viewers will not see the bigger implications of Freddie being gay back then so one of the film's major plot points would have fallen flat. |
| mike hunt 25.10.2018 20:39 |
Thank you Vision...Nov 2nd was something I looked forward to...I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm skipping this movie/mess...another mess That Involves Brian and Roger...Have they done anything right since Freddie's death? and people have the nerve to Question what Freddie meant to that band. Instead they nag about one album that flopped in 1985....made up for it 3 years later with the great Barcelona...almost 30 years of crap since Mercury died. 30 years of crap...30 years of crap! excuse me while I put on Barcelona...wizard and VH could go listen to Lambert and Cosmo Rocks... |
| paola g 25.10.2018 21:25 |
Only one word: ARTRISTRY. This is Freddie. "Bohemian rhapsody"is the exact antithesis of artristry. |
| MercurialFreddie 25.10.2018 21:27 |
@mike hunt When it comes to archive releases, some products were designed well (like Live At The Rainbow Box) |
| YAFFF 25.10.2018 23:17 |
Amazing how Freddie was so truly nothing (when Freddie said it it was humility but Brian and Roger make it as if literal) without the band that two years after his flop solo album he did another. "Barcelona" was/is magnificent- as good as a Queen album. And his confidence in going solo must not have been too frail for him to take on such a risky endeavor- singing with a famed Opera great! As Vision said this was Brian and Roger's way of making sure Joe Public knows they were just as important as Freddie and it's Freddie's fault whenever they hit a low point. Look I love the band Queen and love Brian and Roger's contributions. Heck I'm a vegan/animal rights activist so of the four lads I should have a bias for Brian since he's the only one who seems to care about animals other than just cats- but Brian is so easy to read- his motives so obvious- so simple to figure out- and he's made such histrionic and moronic comments over the years (like saying their shows with Lamberace are on the same level as their days with Freddie and other ridiculous praise of Adam in hopes of convincing us with such crap. Everything Brian does is just as great and he makes sure he tells us). He's clearly jealous and his defensiveness and eagerness to sell us his fantasies of them still being Queen (despite giving lip service tot he contrary) and/or great have tarnished him in my view. Still love Queen but I guess I'm just more of a Freddie Mercury fan in the end. Freddie's star always has and always will shine brighter than the other three. Instead of being resentful they should be thankful they had a Freddie Mercury. |
| k-m 25.10.2018 23:43 |
YAFF, listen, I'm not going to read until the end of your elaborate statement, but basically one doesn't even have to see the movie to see what happened there. Brian's attitude is childish at best and we were made to think he was the clever one... Ha! I hope he enjoyed reading the reviews, just a shame many people who don't know Queen will actually look at it as some sort of a genuine point of reference. |
| Shvili 26.10.2018 00:05 |
What I know is Freddie was no wimp or some misguided, naive, troubled soul who could be manipulated into any kind of lifestyle by P.P or anyone else. Hope this is not how he is painted in the movie, but some reviews give the indication that this is exactly what is happening. Remembering 90's, when i was in my teen years, had Queen's music, videos blasting at my home constantly and my grandmother's reactions. She loved Freddie and at the end of each video or concert her smiling face would become sour and she'd go something along the lines : "What a Guy! Why couldn't he settle down with a nice girl and live a happy life" and than she'd mutter something derogatory about whores who caused this. She thought Freddie was a womanizer. lol She was old school..we didn't have the heart to brake it down to her. lol In any case, this movie seems to be making my old school grandma's case. |
| YAFFF 26.10.2018 00:31 |
most brutal review I've seen link |
| emrabt 26.10.2018 07:34 |
Lots of people I know are giving this excellent reviews, the average movie goer is obviously loving the movie. |
| The Fairy King 26.10.2018 07:54 |
YAFFF wrote: most brutal review I've seen linkOh damn, that doesn't bode well. They made him boring, insecure, weak and lame? :D Still gonna go and see it...but i must say that i'm less enthused than i was before. |
| jozef 26.10.2018 08:16 |
This is very well writen too ... 'The cartoon unreality of Bohemian Rhapsody reveals how Queen see themselves ...' "I was born with four additional incisors. More space in my mouth means more range.” One wonders if this is how Freddie Mercury really persuaded the band that would become Queen to take him on as lead singer. In Bohemian Rhapsody it does the job, in one of several short scenes of mega-exposition, the best of which comes close to the end, when Freddie tells the band he has Aids, gets a boyfriend, comes out to his parents and plays Live Aid on what appears to be the same afternoon. Teeth figure a lot in the movie– the actor playing Freddie, Rami Malek, carried a set of falsies around for many months to get into character, and Roger Taylor, the script makes clear twice, was studying dentistry when they all met. Brian, of course, was doing astrophysics: “I guess that makes you the clever one,” says Freddie. “I guess so,” says Brian, one of the film’s producers. Brian May’s speaking voice (he is played by Gwilym Lee) is so shockingly accurate, I thought he was dubbed with the real thing – and he could be, for who knows what sonic trickery Roger and Brian, the executive music producers, got up to in the studio: Malek’s singing is blended with Freddie’s in parts, and with a Canadian singer called Marc Martel. I just left the film, and my head is still spinning. Its script is an alchemy of the bizarre and the banal. There are some physical impressions so accurate they give you chills. There is some deeply dodgy poetic licence. And there is, predictably, very good use of music. The greatest challenge of any rock biopic, and the reason so many of them fail, is getting the rights to the songs. If the band make the film that’s not a problem. But leave a rock band as private and controlling as Queen to tell their own story and you have another problem entirely. Bohemian Rhapsody lost spangly directors and stars along the way, and at one point looked like it would never be made. Sacha Baron Cohen, who was once down to play a very tall Freddie, was later described by Brian May as an arse. Bohemian Rhapsody is such a big deal that the 20th Century Fox fanfare at the start has been re-recorded by Brian on guitar. It has been deeply, madly anticipated and judging by the first reviews, it appears to be a flop. But, like looking at a self-portrait by a famous artist, the film reveals something of how Queen see themselves – this is a group who wrote their songs not for personal reasons but with tens of thousands of people in mind; who talk of brand rather than band these days, and refer to their music as “part of the wallpaper of life”. Growing up highly attached to Queen, my brother and I worked out our adolescent anxiety via regular Queen dreams, where the members would be just “wrong” for some reason – too fat, perhaps, or unpleasant, or performing poorly on stage. The cartoon unreality of Bohemian Rhapsody will feel, to many fans, like being trapped in a Queen nightmare, but I’m convinced the unreality is entirely deliberate – some kind of continued diversion, perhaps, away from the truth. Roger Taylor, also a producer, is happy to have given himself a characterisation so dumb that he doesn’t know who Galileo is, writes songs the rest of the band think are crap, thinks Freddie’s moustache makes him “even gayer” and reacts to his Aids news with a laddish “you’re a legend”. In real life, his relationship with Mercury was touchy-feely close – but who cares, in a film where the band take the backseat to the product. “The only thing more extraordinary than their music is his story” says the tagline, of Freddie: in one mega-exposition, Freddie’s stern father Bomi Bulsara tells the entire band the story of Parsee persecution at the hands of Muslims in Persia, around a stiff Sunday lunch. “Really? That’s terrible,” says Brian May, in the same sincere manner you get him talking about asteroids in real life, at on stage events in the Science Museum. Against this odd script, Rami Malek draws his portrayal of Freddie with energy and tenderness: the relationship with his lifelong friend and one-time fiancee Mary Austin is particularly sweet, capturing the love a gay man, who is not yet sure he is gay, and a girl can feel for one another: their early chemistry is found in shared clothing, closeness and the desire to protect. Malik’s bug-eyes take a while to get used to, but his funny voice – colonially clipped, crackly, toothsome – is something of an achievement, as is his light-footed, ballet dancer skip: he looks a lot like Freddie from the back. There is a touching scene where he flits around his new Notting Hill mansion explaining to Roger Taylor that each of his cats will have its own room. The scene is ruined when Taylor says he can’t stay for dinner because he has to get back to the wife and kids: it’s so entirely stupid – and one of the strange moments where the film suggests that Freddie’s gayness (about which the band have always been protective in interviews) was an alienating force pulling him away from the band. It wasn’t until recent years that Queen decided to tell the story of Paul Prenter, Mercury’s personal manager, and his corrupting influence. In 1987, Prenter went to the Sun with stories of Mercury’s sexual exploits, revealing that two of his lovers had died of Aids. In Bohemian Rhapsody the relationship with Prenter – a clear-eyed, soft-spoken, un-aging Irishman who hangs around from 1975 onwards with no clear motive – becomes the crucible within which Mercury is destroyed. Prenter is seen seducing him away from Mary Austin, tempting him into promiscuity in the Munich gay scene, getting him into disco music (he's therefore directly responsible for Queen’s critically loathed Hot Space album…), engineering solo album contracts and even – astonishingly – blocking calls from Bob Geldof inviting Freddie to play at Live Aid. There is a recreation of a TV interview in which Prenter refers to Freddie as “a frightened little Paki afraid to be alone”. I’m still looking for that online. The film has had criticism for whitewashing Mercury’s private life, but I didn’t feel there was much whitewashing going on here. Aside from the tragedy of his illness, did things really go so wrong for Freddie Mercury? The Prenter stuff lends it a bitter tone, disempowering the singer and turning him into a coked-up, lonely lapdog. It also allows for several big liberties to be taken with the Queen story. The film claims that Freddie’s solo aspirations alone nearly broke the band (in fact, they'd all done solo work at the same time). Most bizarrely, in one scene he literally begs for his job back, and for the chance to play Live Aid in 1985. “I’ve been an idiot and I deserve your fury,” Freddie says. “What’s it going to take for you all to forgive me?” When they hastily pull together their performance, they claim not to have played live in “years” because of Freddie’s antic behaviour. In fact, in January that year, they’d played their biggest ever concert, to an estimated 350,000 people in Rio De Janiro. Mercury officially told the band he had Aids over a quiet dinner in Montreux in 1989. In the film, it happens during the Live Aid rehearsal in 1985 (his diagnosis actually came in 1987). The point, dramatically, is to add heft to the band’s most famous concert footage - the film ends with a long, rather impressive recreation of their Live Aid set. But did it need the dodgy rewrite – a terminally ill Freddie with his tail between his legs – to remind the audience how good they were at Live Aid? Perhaps it just felt important for Queen, who nowadays like to say that their career has two phases, Freddie and post-Freddie. When the credits roll with real footage of the band, everyone at my screening stayed in their seats, as though relieved to watch the real, familiar Freddie face and hear the music in pindrop Dolby surround sound. Most of th |
| jozef 26.10.2018 08:20 |
... Most of them will have gone off, Spotified and Youtubed the band, and that’s exactly the point of the enterprise." - Kate Mossman (Source: link |
| Sunshine 26.10.2018 09:45 |
I went to see it yesterday and honestly I do not know where to start. The good things first: The detailing is in general very precise. Especially Brian May looks very realistic in terms of playing, speaking and general body language and movements. The Live Aid sequence at the end is really well done and gives a great impact. But other than that, it is a lousy film. The story line is thin and predictable. Story tells the band is upcoming, creates success with Killer Queen and Bo Rhap, gets a world band around 1980 and Freddie loses touch with reality by indulging in men and drugs. He finds out he can't be Freddie Mercury without Queen and is begging to the band to come back and they steal the show at Live Aid. That takes 2 hours and 14 minutes to tell. The dialogues between band members are awkward and not credible. I never got emphasized with any character in the film, the acting is extremely lousy and clumsy. Roger, Brian and John never communicated between themselves even one time in the whole film, it was mostly Brian who had a paternalistic attitude towards Freddie. 'Do not this'...'Watch out Freddie'...etc. Very annoying. My feeling is that they put a too big time frame into the film. They cover from 1970-1985 in 2 hours and 14 minutes. It would have been a better choice to focus on a shorter time frame, let's say 1970-1975 until Bo Rhap, with opportunity for a sequel. It gives the chance to go deeper into what actually happens and give the characters more depth. Mary for example, a total empty character. I didn't feel any connection whatsoever with her. With none of the characters in fact. But then a story covering the period between 1970-1975 could be much more interesting. More Smile, more about finding John Deacon, more about Freddie developing his stage personality, more about creating Queen I and II, more about the first US tour, about Brian getting hepatitis, more about Sheer Heart Attack and the first Japanese tour, more about the Sheffield and Death On Two Legs, the severe financial situation etc. There is so so much to tell about that period. Plus story lines about Brian's, Roger's and John's private lives would be so much more interesting. For the first time, I believe this is a product that is Queen unworthy. |
| AudioSynthesis 26.10.2018 10:59 |
I really enjoyed it. That's all. |
| kosimodo 26.10.2018 12:50 |
Queen and reviews, a match made in heaven. I bet the public will proof differently. Looking forward to next week. |
| mike hunt 26.10.2018 14:41 |
It will be interesting what the general public will think about the movie...we already know critics and die hard fans are giving it a thumbs down, but I notice Joe public are enjoying It so far. |
| dudeofqueen 26.10.2018 15:13 |
Mike HUnt, re: >we already know critics and die hard fans are giving it a thumbs down, but I notice Joe public are enjoying It so far. And that's all MayLor want; relevance to the wider public who don't know any better and won't be bothered about how it all ACTUALLY happened. |
| Golden Salmon 26.10.2018 16:08 |
kosimodo wrote: Queen and reviews, a match made in heaven. I bet the public will proof differently. Looking forward to next week.Haha, good point. The music is great anyway, so many people will enjoy that regardless of the movie itself. |
| Vocal harmony 26.10.2018 16:54 |
mike hunt wrote: Thank you Vision...Nov 2nd was something I looked forward to...I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm skipping this movie/mess...another mess That Involves Brian and Roger...Have they done anything right since Freddie's death? and people have the nerve to Question what Freddie meant to that band. Instead they nag about one album that flopped in 1985....made up for it 3 years later with the great Barcelona...almost 30 years of crap since Mercury died. 30 years of crap...30 years of crap! excuse me while I put on Barcelona...wizard and VH could go listen to Lambert and Cosmo Rocks...So, your not going to see Bohemian Rhapsody because you've read it's not very good. How many Queen albums and concert tickets would you have bought in the 70's if you went by the crap reviews the band routinely recieved. Have they done anything right since Freddie's death. Well Made in Heaven, some good live releases,successful Queen+ tours. Yeah Mr Bad Guy is not a great album, Barcelona was really good, but don't forget it wasn't a Freddie solo album, it was a duet with an established and respected opera singer and was co written and co produced. Proof that Freddie worked best with people who could push him rather than being left as the master of his own destiny. You seem to think I listen to The Cosmos Rocks and Lambert. I don't own any Lambert recordings and haven't played Cosmos for ages. I might however listen to some of Roger's solo albums, because they each include some well written, well played and produced material which manages to sound unlike a third rate Queen recording which is hat most of Mr Bad Guy sounds like |
| 4 x Vision 26.10.2018 17:33 |
I went with my brother and sister, both a fan of Mercury and Queen greatest hits (29 and 36). They were forced to listen to Queen living with me for years when we were younger at home. It surprised me in the end cos i was a bit embarrassed that they'd think it was rubbish... but they both liked it. Go figure. They mainly talked about the final act playing at Live Aid being epic and emotional to watch with WATC being so poignant. Again, it's what a lot of people are going to leave remembering so having it right at the end was either lucky or a masterstroke. They also liked Malek. With a nigh to digest, what this film does is HINT or SUGGEST plot points. For example It hinted on Freddie's loneliness with an empty house. It hinted that he had wild parties with ONE crazy party. Hinted he had a drug problem with a scene where he takes a pill and there's some cocaine on a table. Hinted he thought HE was Queen with a studio fight. Hinted had Prenter manipulating him thru some phone calls not being passed on about Live Aid or from Mary. Same with the band scenes. Trying to fit in their entire career from Smile to Live Aid was too big a task IMO. This resulted in a bundle of short scenes trying to convey longer periods and add to the plot. I repeat that they should have made it more about Freddie from say the DSMN era where he started living a wilder lifestyle with the gay clubs, drugs and focused much more on his loneliness and longing to have someone like Mary still as a partner. Jim Hutton should have had a bigger part too as a partner having to put up with the cheating. Sadly it's so clear where Brian and Roger have interfered and I dare say even fabricated their history to give them more of a say in the film. From watching interviews and reading about his relationship with the band from different sources it sounds like Mercury treated them as workmates more than intimate friends or family. Which I'm aware changed at the end of his life, most likely after telling them about his diagnosis. It didn't know if it wanted to be a touching drama or a comedy. From Freddie being racially abused to them falling into the backdrop of the studio... too many big swings in tone. I'm starting to wonder if a Directors Cut will ever come out that MIGHT save it. Batman V Superman was garbage in the cinema but a lot better in the Directors Cut. Also interesting to see a trailer for the Elton John movie which actually looked quite similar in style. |
| 4 x Vision 26.10.2018 17:33 |
I went with my brother and sister, both a fan of Mercury and Queen greatest hits (29 and 36). They were forced to listen to Queen living with me for years when we were younger at home. It surprised me in the end cos i was a bit embarrassed that they'd think it was rubbish... but they both liked it. Go figure. They mainly talked about the final act playing at Live Aid being epic and emotional to watch with WATC being so poignant. Again, it's what a lot of people are going to leave remembering so having it right at the end was either lucky or a masterstroke. They also liked Malek. With a nigh to digest, what this film does is HINT or SUGGEST plot points. For example It hinted on Freddie's loneliness with an empty house. It hinted that he had wild parties with ONE crazy party. Hinted he had a drug problem with a scene where he takes a pill and there's some cocaine on a table. Hinted he thought HE was Queen with a studio fight. Hinted had Prenter manipulating him thru some phone calls not being passed on about Live Aid or from Mary. Same with the band scenes. Trying to fit in their entire career from Smile to Live Aid was too big a task IMO. This resulted in a bundle of short scenes trying to convey longer periods and add to the plot. I repeat that they should have made it more about Freddie from say the DSMN era where he started living a wilder lifestyle with the gay clubs, drugs and focused much more on his loneliness and longing to have someone like Mary still as a partner. Jim Hutton should have had a bigger part too as a partner having to put up with the cheating. Sadly it's so clear where Brian and Roger have interfered and I dare say even fabricated their history to give them more of a say in the film. From watching interviews and reading about his relationship with the band from different sources it sounds like Mercury treated them as workmates more than intimate friends or family. Which I'm aware changed at the end of his life, most likely after telling them about his diagnosis. It didn't know if it wanted to be a touching drama or a comedy. From Freddie being racially abused to them falling into the backdrop of the studio... too many big swings in tone. I'm starting to wonder if a Directors Cut will ever come out that MIGHT save it. Batman V Superman was garbage in the cinema but a lot better in the Directors Cut. Also interesting to see a trailer for the Elton John movie which actually looked quite similar in style. |
| bucsateflon 26.10.2018 18:11 |
Marc Martel's voice on Live Aid sounded very weak compared to Freddie's |
| mike hunt 26.10.2018 18:42 |
No VH, Playing We will Rock You with + singers year after year is not of Interest for me...especially without creating nothing new....I asked you're partner In crime Wizard, since you two always bring up the same stuff, Mr. Bad Guy flopped...one album recorded between Queen albums and tours...I'll ask you the same...Give me a list of classics Queen + have recorded since Freddie died 27 years ago? Made In Heaven was nice, but half the songs were written or co written by Freddie, and had his great vocals all over the album...I'll be waiting for you're list! |
| LucasDiego 26.10.2018 19:03 |
From Queenonline forums There is a special guest in the movie, yes, that guy... |
| stevendabudgie 26.10.2018 19:10 |
I have not seen the movie yet, but i have the same feeling a hobby musician I know has- when I told him that there will be a movie he replied: "I've seen the documentary on Freddie and the 4-hour TV special on Queen (which aired on German TV a few years ago and contains virtually everything about Freddie and Queen). That's enough for me" |
| ANAGRAMER 27.10.2018 10:59 |
Just saw the movie last night. Malek was superb Was a decent watch but would've been much better if they'd focussed a bit more on recreating more on stage footage The disappointment at Hot Space was pivotal in their career, that would've been an interesting sideline The relationship between Brian, Roger and John was hardly touched on But Malek was absolutely on the money! |
| Vocal harmony 27.10.2018 11:54 |
mike hunt wrote: No VH, Playing We will Rock You with + singers year after year is not of Interest for me...especially without creating nothing new....I asked you're partner In crime Wizard, since you two always bring up the same stuff, Mr. Bad Guy flopped...one album recorded between Queen albums and tours...I'll ask you the same...Give me a list of classics Queen + have recorded since Freddie died 27 years ago? Made In Heaven was nice, but half the songs were written or co written by Freddie, and had his great vocals all over the album...I'll be waiting for you're list!The Queen+ thing doesn't interest you, and that's fine, you're not alone. On the other side of the coin millions world wide are interested and have enjoyed the tours. Your original wording was "what have queen done right" since Freddie's death, which is what I answered. The current Queen+ lineup is a live touring band who so far have not been interested in recording. There is nothing wrong in that, they have (Freddie and John included) a vast legacy and if the two remaining active members want to present that live there is nothing wrong with that. Yes, songs on Made in Heaven included Freddie's input, but it also included a lot of work by the other three and David Richards to turn some of what Feddie left into fully fashioned songs. It also show Mr Bad Guys short comings, I Was Born To Love You on that album makes Freddie's original sound like a polished demo, which is what most of Mr Bad Guy sounds like. I'm not trying to say the album is no good,mi quite like it, but it's way behind whatQueen as a band could have done with those songs |
| Vocal harmony 27.10.2018 12:08 |
Shvili wrote: What I know is Freddie was no wimp or some misguided, naive, troubled soul who could be manipulated into any kind of lifestyle by P.P or anyone else. . . .In that case you know nothing |
| Vocal harmony 27.10.2018 12:54 |
The Real Wizard wrote:You are absolutely right, one of the things ( amongst many) that YAFFF hasn't considered is that Freddie coming back to the band and that meeting was between the four of them and Jim Beach. Those are the same five people who didn't say a word about Freddies's illness until an agreed statement was read.YAFFF wrote: Something like that would've leaked out in some interview or book by now if it were accurate.You'd think that, but there are even bigger things that they've kept under wraps. And if I wrote about them, people probably wouldn't believe them anyway. Nor is it my place to. And for the record - they sure wouldn't have people labelling me as a Brian May apologist. Everyone has their dark sides and moments. Spend 20 years with literally anyone, and it's bound to happen. Of course you guys are welcome to think you know everything about Queen's history based on what you've read in books and plucked out of interviews. But the reality is - there will always be more that you don't know. Superfans pride themselves on thinking they know everything, and few things sting them more than the thought that they may not know it all. So take a deep breath and entertain the possibility that 70 year old rock stars are going to take some things to the grave. The same way everyone else does. So YAFFFS claim that Freddie leaving and asking to come back would have got out into the public domain, would on evidence, seem to be untrue. |
| mike hunt 27.10.2018 14:25 |
Queen break up rumors were also there When Freddie recorded Barcelona in the late 80's....those splt rumors were there as early as the Hot Space Era....Not Just in 1985. The one point I agree is The Bad Guy songs would have been better with the others Input...I'm not debating any of that, but to say Bad Guy was proof Freddie was nothing without the others based on that one album is false...He recorded an album, that was a few years later that was artistically one of his best without Brian and Roger....saying that, They all said they were better together than alone, Freddie, Brian, Roger all said it...No debate there, but don't say he was nothing without the others...Just listen to Guide Me Home/How Can I Go On and Enuenso and Barcelona as proof of that. |
| cmsdrums 27.10.2018 15:27 |
bucsateflon wrote: Marc Martel's voice on Live Aid sounded very weak compared to Freddie'sDespite what we’ve seen in earlier working versions, the Live Aid recreation sounded to me as if it was actually Freddie’s original vocal. |
| kosimodo 27.10.2018 17:05 |
^^Most of it is, isnt it?! |
| Richard Orchard 27.10.2018 17:11 |
i'd give the film about a 6 out of 10. There were some good bits, but some parts of the script, I was cringing it was so bad. Telemovie quality. Feel bad for the actors with some of the scenes they had to be part of. A very inconsistent film. i think they could have explored freddie's going off the rails better - built it up more. Seemed rushed. |
| NickESB 27.10.2018 17:56 |
cmsdrums wrote:Yep, Live Aid is all Freddie. I’m 100% sure that it is, no Martel (despite first filming clips from the site at the time having Martel audio). Music hasn’t been re-recorded either (eg HTF outro is still fluffed).bucsateflon wrote: Marc Martel's voice on Live Aid sounded very weak compared to Freddie'sDespite what we’ve seen in earlier working versions, the Live Aid recreation sounded to me as if it was actually Freddie’s original vocal. Doesn’t surprise me that CLTCL from Live Aid is skipped in the film given the high-pitcher noise that is present during Brian’s solo. Only bits of Martel I picked up on were during the studio sessions (eg when Fred is writing LOML) and the mini extract of the vocal improv on Live Aid day at Garden Lodge. |
| 4 x Vision 27.10.2018 18:34 |
Was Adam Lambert the trucker at the truck stop eyeing up Freddie when eh was on the phone? |
| Shvili 27.10.2018 19:05 |
This recent review seems impartial and contains some previously unseen footage from the movie. link |
| AngelR 27.10.2018 20:18 |
Was Adam Lambert the trucker at the truck stop eyeing up Freddie when eh was on the phone? The other way round....Freddie was lusting after the trucker (Adam Lambert) by the Gents. |
| Oscar J 27.10.2018 21:48 |
All the dialogues I've seen in the trailers have felt really contrived. Is that how the entire movie is? Not sure if I'll watch it. |
| runner_70 27.10.2018 22:49 |
As I had expected - a lot of the movie's in fake fiction is to big Maylor up. Freddie begging to get in the band again? The send him out of the room like a schoolkid to think about it? Cmon!! WTF The Aids diagnosis was very poor done - Freddie walking out of the doctor's office past a young AIDS patient with bruises on his face saying "de-doop" and Freddie is doin "De Doop" back??? Laughable Freddie living next to Mary and the keep in contact by switching their night light on and off???? Okay..... Freddie telling the band about his diagnosis: "I have Aids" - Brian/ROger/John:" We are so sorry" - you are a legend - cringeworthy I saw this annoying BBC documentary and thought the acting was bad - htis is not much better - especially the Roger character comes across as a total dumbfuck with no clue whatsoever. John has hardly anything to say. Upside: The Live Aid sequence and the concert sequences in general, Rami is trying his best - he sufferes from the poor script though The music in a huge theatre is still absolutely amazing even after all those years - I stayed until the End. Show must go own sounded awesome after 27 years! If the concert scenes are the best thing about the movie it makes you think "why should I watch the movie then when I can watch the original footage with the original band" - valid question I think! |
| 4 x Vision 28.10.2018 00:38 |
Hmm, I'm not convinced Live Aid is Freddie. Voice seemed a little thinner than it should be... I'm saying Martel. Difficult to judge on a single viewing though (although i don't intend to see it again lol). IMDB which is normally a good source to judge public opinion is 8.5/10. Looks like a movie Critics V Joe Public will differ on. Makes sense as my brother and sister really enjoyed it and they're just fond of the music and fans of live Freddie. You need to add us to the side of the critics tbh as that's how we're all viewing it as. |
| 4 x Vision 28.10.2018 00:41 |
Although Rami was great, the speaking voice was a bit up an down. One minute very convincing, others way off |
| 4 x Vision 28.10.2018 00:41 |
Although Rami was great, the speaking voice was a bit up an down. One minute very convincing, others way off |
| Russian Headlong 28.10.2018 01:38 |
BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY FILM REVIEW. The Acting and Actors were excellent especially Gwilym Lee and Rami Malek. Mike Myers is brilliant too. Book ending the movie with Live Aid, good idea, worked well. You can't cover the entire story in 2 hours. However, what let this movie down was the crap storyline and terrible inaccuracies. The inaccuracies are inexcusable when the likes of Peter Freestone have gone on record to say how painstakingly accurate the makers had gone into giving the film a much detail as possible. The timelines really fucked the film up, plus some of the obvious inaccuracies. Here are the main ones: • JD comes in as bass player straight away, no mention of any others or how JD completed the band. • Fat Bottomed Girls played on First US tour…. Why??? • PP was not taken on board as part of management pre Bo Rhap. • The Rio scene said 1980, but it was clearly from the Rock in Rio from 1985. Why??? • WWRY look. We saw this in the trailers, WWRY composed in 1980!!! Fred in the clone look, not the 1977 NOTW long hair look. WTF, this is such lazy and sloppy oversight. It does detract from the film. Yes, artistic licence but this is just shit and needless. Why put these clear mistakes onto celluloid for ever when they could so easily been avoided and given a more accurate film and kept it entertaining too! • BM playing a Gibson Les Paul on AOBTD, no he didn’t! • RT in film says band had not played ‘in years’ before Live Aid. Bollocks, The Works tour went well into 1985 and Live Aid was in July 1985! • Fred’s dad reads The Sun article by PP in 1980 about Fred’s gay lovers, that didn’t appear until 1987. • Fred always introduced JH to his parents as his Gardner from most books and interviews sourced. He never actually came out to his parents although they probably knew. • Fred’s HIV diagnosis was not revealed until 1987. While he may have suspected, he didn’t reveal to the rest of the band until 1989/90, not just before Live Aid, again so stupid and ruins the movie, it adds nothing. It could have been implied but this was crass. • FM first met JH in a bar/club not as JH working as some kind of caterer cleaning up after a party! • Equal credits for songs didn’t happen until the Miracle in 1988. • Getting Freddie back on board, bit of a daft and unnecessary scene others could have been inserted. • RT wore the same Adidas boots as FM and BM at Live Aid in the movie he doesn’t. Only JD never wore the high top Adidas Hercules wrestling boots which the others did on the Works and Magic tours as well as Live Aid. They are a real collectors item! Here are some things which would have made it better: • No mention of RT/FM’s stall on Kensington Market, could have been a source for great scenes. • Peter Freestone, Joe Fanelli, Terry Giddings, Mack, Barbara Valentin. None show up in the movie! All were prominent yet Mike Myers’ character was totally fictional. Could he not have played a real character like Kenny Everett? • Too much focus on PP. Yes, he was a cunt but too much time wasted with him. • Nothing on the Bowie/Under Pressure sessions would have made a great scene. Nothing about Montreux recordings. • Nothing about Hyde Park Gig, getting threatened to be kicked off because they were playing late. • Nothing on the early 1980’s South American Tours, great tales from those. • Q2, ADATR, Jazz, The Works totally overlooked. • Nothing post Live Aid, fair enough can’t do everything but that’s a big slice missed out. Overall, 4/10. The Channel 5 Docu drama was more accurate but lacked the music of the movie. Finally, the OST, when are they going to release a studio mix which like the live version contains extra guitar in the intro and riffs along with the drum beat. I’d love to hear a remix or re-recording of that version. |
| YAFFF 28.10.2018 04:45 |
It's currently at 48 for Metacritic, which only includes reviews from the more important critics (unlike Rotten Tomatoes). I'm having a hard time not feeling bitter towards Maylor. They knew what they were dong. Joe Public will think this movie is truthful. They'll get their hit and make even more money but it would piss Freddie off I believe. Like I said. Not paying to see this film. I'll see it for free. It's obviously a piece of sitcom-level fluff. |
| dysan 28.10.2018 09:53 |
Has anyone commented on the timeline liberties being for the sake of the plot? IE the reason for changing FBG to '74 and WWRY to '80? For example, does it hint at Queen being seen as a raunchy band on the first US tour that were positively hetro (so FBG might make sense) to set up later scenes where the US got confused by all the gayness creeping in? Or WWRY (a big US hit) is bracketed with the US success of AOBTD and CLTCL in 1980 so it's recording is transposed into that era. That makes sense to me - although obviously still a frightful rewriting! Or are they just stand alone scenes? IE total cock ups? |
| Vocal harmony 28.10.2018 11:43 |
dysan I think your theory is pretty close to what they were aiming for. I also think that early on they may have had an ideal which songs best represent a real time line of hits which they may have felt needed to be included. So it does appear, at face value, to be odd seeing a 74/75 rendition of FBG but it does serve the greate structure and time constraints well. Remember the film is about Freddie, not the complete story of Queen. Someone earlier in this thread said the film should have included more about Brian's personnel life and more about the individual band members, someone else said it skips the search for a bassist but that's missing the point that it isn't a Queen bio pic. The story is told from the angle of the band, it could have easily been told using Jim Huttons book and in a more personnel way and gone back to tell an already well covered history of where Freddie came from and what he did etc with little ( in depth) mention of the band, there are many other directions it could have taken, but didn't. People I know who are Queen fans and just casual fans have all enjoyed it. I think some on here are to willing to be critical rather than sitting back from the subject and just enjoying the film like most of its audience will. |
| dysan 28.10.2018 11:59 |
I would've added that it seemed a bit sinister using two BM songs to illustrate these points I made (especially WWRY at the expense of a deacon song and mercury song) but I think I'd accept that a Queen song is a Queen song regardless of writer. Much like when they discussed selecting songs for the live set - they knew what worked with no egos of the writers. I can imagine the WWRY sequence was a 'must include' scene so was worked to fit then for whatever reason. FBG raises more questions though as it seems quite a random mismatch. |
| MisterCosmicc 28.10.2018 12:20 |
LOL. Millions and millions will see this film... they'll wander onto Queenzone with misinformation. |
| dysan 28.10.2018 12:21 |
HA I already had that with a friend of mine. I kept correcting him. He just looked blankly like 'but it's IN A FILM' |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 28.10.2018 12:22 |
Mack appears...the actor who did Mack wrote about the movie, saying they deleted all the scenes Mack talk. So we only see Mack as other person...no more. Bowie or Baker didn't give the consent to appear in the film. |
| rockchic65 28.10.2018 12:53 |
I saw it last night and being a long time Queen fan the timeline errors were a bit distracting but my friend who's a casual Queen fan thought it was great and had no idea anything had been altered. I can see the problem from the perspective of lots of casual fans now believing a lot of stuff that isn't strictly true but realistically it would have had to be a mini series rather than a film to cover everything in the right time frames. The most jarring bit for me was him telling them about the Aids diagnosis before Live Aid, even if they wanted to portray that for the timeline it could have been done a lot better, it just seemed so completely at odds with how Freddie would have done it, and tbh I can't in a million years imagine he'd have chosen that very moment to talk about it, that just didn't work for me. I thought some things could have been done better but overall I enjoyed it for what it was and obviously the music helped with that. As to Marc I agree with 4x vision I think the Live Aid stuff had him mixed in with parts and odd bits just Marc, there were some odd little bits that didn't just sound right but casual listeners aren't gonna notice I wouldn't think. Have to say in some parts with John & Brian I almost forgot I wasn't watching the real thing, brilliant casting there. |
| bucsateflon 28.10.2018 14:34 |
4 x Vision wrote: Hmm, I'm not convinced Live Aid is Freddie. Voice seemed a little thinner than it should be... I'm saying Martel. Difficult to judge on a single viewing though (although i don't intend to see it again lol).Havent seen the movie yet but... Definitely was Marc Martel on Live Aid Boh Rhap official clip I saw it on youtube, unfortunately I can't find that clip anymore?!? Anyway my point is, he really has a weak voice in some parts of the vocal range. That is a reply to all those who say he should be instead of Adam Lambert. No he sucks, and he also doesnt have the Rocknroll chops needed . |
| bucsateflon 28.10.2018 14:55 |
link proof |
| Another Roger (re) 28.10.2018 15:07 |
Totally disagree. Marc Martel is far superior in my ears. Lambert gives me nothing. |
| rockchic65 28.10.2018 15:18 |
Have you heard his new album of Queen covers? Conveniently released on the 26th in the middle of all the fuss about the movie. I don't think Queen's legacy has anything to worry about. |
| bucsateflon 28.10.2018 15:31 |
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| YAFFF 28.10.2018 15:54 |
bucsateflon wrote: link proofIf that's the audio from the film that is without a shadow of a doubt Martel and how anyone could think otherwise doesn't really listen to Freddie close enough. Yet another reason to skip the film for me. Martel has an amazing voice- I wish I could sing like that- but he obviously isn't Freddie and it's insulting they would use Martel for Live Aid. |
| rockchic65 28.10.2018 16:01 |
YAFFF wrote:It actually sounded a bit different in the cinema but I could still tell parts which were Marc or had been mixed with Freddie's voice. Even my friend who's a very casual fan said she didn't remember it sounding just like that. I think the fact some people are noticing confirms he doesn't actually sound just like Freddie despite what some of his fans insist.bucsateflon wrote: link proofIf that's the audio from the film that is without a shadow of a doubt Martel and how anyone could think otherwise doesn't really listen to Freddie close enough. Yet another reason to skip the film for me. Martel has an amazing voice- I wish I could sing like that- but he obviously isn't Freddie and it's insulting they would use Martel for Live Aid. |
| bucsateflon 28.10.2018 19:33 |
NickESB wrote:This element of society says otherwisecmsdrums wrote:Yep, Live Aid is all Freddie. I’m 100% sure that it is, no Martel (despite first filming clips from the site at the time having Martel audio). Music hasn’t been re-recorded either (eg HTF outro is still fluffed).bucsateflon wrote: Marc Martel's voice on Live Aid sounded very weak compared to Freddie'sDespite what we’ve seen in earlier working versions, the Live Aid recreation sounded to me as if it was actually Freddie’s original vocal. How come from all of these who "reviewed" the movie when nobody really asked them to do so, the Live Aid singing voice didn't came to their attention? they were busy analyzing some stupid irrelevant shit instead. |
| mike hunt 28.10.2018 19:36 |
YAFFF wrote:They really did mess this up, but I still might give in and see it...Missed opportunity In some ways...It's getting a lot of hype In America and is getting Queen a lot of air play on the radio...My local rock station said they liked it, so Could you Imagine if the movie was great, how big it could have been? It is what It is, maybe the young casual fans will like it, but so far, 90% of reviews from critics and fans say it's a poor movie...A lot of negativity towards Brian as well, making himself out to be without any flaws..Some of these negative fan reviews could be seen on youtube....bucsateflon wrote: link proofIf that's the audio from the film that is without a shadow of a doubt Martel and how anyone could think otherwise doesn't really listen to Freddie close enough. Yet another reason to skip the film for me. Martel has an amazing voice- I wish I could sing like that- but he obviously isn't Freddie and it's insulting they would use Martel for Live Aid. |
| bucsateflon 28.10.2018 20:10 |
link check at 1:44 I think he sounds mediocre Marc Martel... |
| CPL593h 28.10.2018 21:06 |
bucsateflon wrote: check at 1:44 I think he sounds mediocre Marc Martel...On that clip, that's Martel singing WATC, without the shadow of a doubt. I've listened to a lot of Martel's work, saw a lot of Extravaganza shows on YouTube and can now recognise his voice pretty easily... and the more I listen to him, the more I think he _doesn't_ sound like Freddie at all. He sounds like someone who tries too much but just hasn't the right vocal cords to make a good Freddie. If that recreation of Live Aid made it to the final cut of the movie... That's indeed pretty insulting to Freddie's performance. I have nothing against Martel personally, but people told him far too often that he sounds exactly as Freddie and it seems that he genuinely believes it too now. But he doesn't. His singing is good, it's in tune, but he's no Freddie. He lacks the right phrasing, the power and the charisma. For those still doubting: listen carefully how he sings the "face" word in that WATC "Live Aid" version – there's a "pseudo-opera, pseudo-Pavarotti" nuance to that word that is Martel's signature. That word couldn't sound more different from Freddie's delivery. |
| dysan 28.10.2018 21:20 |
Same. I just can't see it on some of his stuff. There are occasional moments, but I genuinely don't get the fuss. Seems like a nice guy |
| rockchic65 28.10.2018 21:30 |
CPL593h wrote:Finally someone hears the differences, it drives me nuts when people argue blind he's an exact replica of Freddie when he's actually not that close if you listen to his phrasing, intonation especially in the high register and the transitions into falsetto.bucsateflon wrote: check at 1:44 I think he sounds mediocre Marc Martel...On that clip, that's Martel singing WATC, without the shadow of a doubt. I've listened to a lot of Martel's work, saw a lot of Extravaganza shows on YouTube and can now recognise his voice pretty easily... and the more I listen to him, the more I think he _doesn't_ sound like Freddie at all. He sounds like someone who tries too much but just hasn't the right vocal cords to make a good Freddie. If that recreation of Live Aid made it to the final cut of the movie... That's indeed pretty insulting to Freddie's performance. I have nothing against Martel personally, but people told him far too often that he sounds exactly as Freddie and it seems that he genuinely believed it too now. But he doesn't. His singing is good, it's in tune, but he's no Freddie. He lacks the right phrasing, the power and the charisma. For those still doubting: listen carefully how he sings the "face" word in that WATC "Live Aid" version – there's a "pseudo-opera, pseudo-Pavarotti" nuance to that word that is Martel's signature. That word couldn't sound more different from Freddie's delivery. |
| dysan 28.10.2018 21:40 |
Me three |
| Sunshine 29.10.2018 05:15 |
We got this beautiful programme for free at the pre-premiere. Was this also issued in other countries ? |
| Sunshine 29.10.2018 05:15 |
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| Another Roger (re) 29.10.2018 06:33 |
They didnt replace Freddies vocals because they were weak. It was actually because the sound quality was too bad to use in a movie. So Freddie was used whenever there were good recordings of him. |
| bucsateflon 29.10.2018 07:05 |
I get that and I have no problems with the movie producers putting Marc Martel's voice were it's technically needed. It's not insulting to Freddie nor should someone skip the movie because of that. And certainly do not read "reviews" before seeing the movie first yourself! |
| Togg 29.10.2018 09:12 |
"it's insulting they would use Martel for Live Aid." Staggering just how ignorant and pathetic this forum has become these days... honest to god, you people have absolutely zero understanding of how the technical challenges are dealt with in film production, that comment right there shows the pathetic level of intellect is here... |
| RDW_1988 29.10.2018 13:28 |
Well, compare this to the orginal Live Aid recording: link I'm sure they used Freddie's voice for the section you mentioned. Maybe they've used some of Marc's as well, but I'm hearing Mercury clearly. |
| Daniel Nester 29.10.2018 14:07 |
If people can believe Chewbacca exists for 3 hours in a cinema and then buy action figures of same, I trust they can also suspend disbelief in a general audience movie that Fat Bottomed Girls was written in 1974, or that Day at the Races was skipped over for the sake of storytelling. Especially if those same people didn't know these were inconsistencies in the first place. |
| YAFFF 29.10.2018 14:08 |
Togg wrote: "it's insulting they would use Martel for Live Aid." Staggering just how ignorant and pathetic this forum has become these days... honest to god, you people have absolutely zero understanding of how the technical challenges are dealt with in film production, that comment right there shows the pathetic level of intellect is here...Yeah whatever jackass. I've worked in the movie business and would wager I know more than you about film production. Your post is overly emotional and truculent, bitch. Using the word "pathetic" twice in one short paragraph is, well, pathetic. |
| thomasquinn 32989 29.10.2018 14:20 |
YAFFF wrote:I'm sorry, are you under the impression that you're holding the moral high ground here? Your entire response consists of two slurs ("jackass" and "bitch"), a pissing contest ("I know more than you..."), a little pedantry ("pathetic" etc.) and a severe case of dramatic irony (accusing one of truculence in a post that is itself downright pugnacious).Togg wrote: "it's insulting they would use Martel for Live Aid." Staggering just how ignorant and pathetic this forum has become these days... honest to god, you people have absolutely zero understanding of how the technical challenges are dealt with in film production, that comment right there shows the pathetic level of intellect is here...Yeah whatever jackass. I've worked in the movie business and would wager I know more than you about film production. Your post is overly emotional and truculent, bitch. Using the word "pathetic" twice in one short paragraph is, well, pathetic. |
| YAFFF 29.10.2018 14:29 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:Not concerned about moral ground....fuck face. Just responding to a stupid comment the same as now....smugtard.YAFFF wrote:I'm sorry, are you under the impression that you're holding the moral high ground here? Your entire response consists of two slurs ("jackass" and "bitch"), a pissing contest ("I know more than you..."), a little pedantry ("pathetic" etc.) and a severe case of dramatic irony (accusing one of truculence in a post that is itself downright pugnacious).Togg wrote: "it's insulting they would use Martel for Live Aid." Staggering just how ignorant and pathetic this forum has become these days... honest to god, you people have absolutely zero understanding of how the technical challenges are dealt with in film production, that comment right there shows the pathetic level of intellect is here...Yeah whatever jackass. I've worked in the movie business and would wager I know more than you about film production. Your post is overly emotional and truculent, bitch. Using the word "pathetic" twice in one short paragraph is, well, pathetic. and one thing remains true: "it's insulting they would use Martel for Live Aid." |
| thomasquinn 32989 29.10.2018 14:46 |
Ah, so you're just into hurling really lame insults. Works wonders for your credibility, too. That last part, by the way, was sarcasm. |
| YAFFF 29.10.2018 15:09 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: Ah, so you're just into hurling really lame insults. Works wonders for your credibility, too. That last part, by the way, was sarcasm.Yes love lovely love hurling insults, scrotum soaker. Don't care about credibility on an online forum with a phony screen name, nut nosher. Why couldn't you mind your own business? I'm into other things but ye asked and ye received.........................................................................................................................................testicle tickler. |
| thomasquinn 32989 29.10.2018 15:15 |
You post on a forum, get a response you don't like and then come up with "why couldn't you mind your own business?". Are you really this stupid, or are you just playing the part really well? Let me spell it out for you: if you post something here, you'll probably get responses. If you don't want responses, don't post. It's really, really simple. Even a booze-addled dimwit who is unhealthily obsessed with performing various forms of oral sex on men should be able to understand that. |
| YAFFF 29.10.2018 15:25 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: You post on a forum, get a response you don't like and then come up with "why couldn't you mind your own business?". Are you really this stupid, or are you just playing the part really well? Let me spell it out for you: if you post something here, you'll probably get responses. If you don't want responses, don't post. It's really, really simple. Even a booze-addled dimwit who is unhealthily obsessed with performing various forms of oral sex on men should be able to understand that.Yes I'm stupid says a person with the mental capacity of an amoeba who's too slow to realize he's being trolled. And the following is the single most overreaching fail of an insult ever: "Even a booze-addled dimwit who is unhealthily obsessed with performing various forms of oral sex on men should be able to understand that" (facepalm). Now now now. That "insult" coming from someone who's probably swallowed enough cum to populate the universe ten times is ironic and tone deaf for a Queen forum. |
| bucsateflon 29.10.2018 17:27 |
"scrotum soaker" "nut nosher" "testicle tickler" Much respect, keep it up with insults for question mark boy-girl(thomasquin) |
| Vocal harmony 29.10.2018 17:37 |
This place gets worse by the day. A keyboard is a really safe place to launch insults from. The good thing , and it usually passes people like this by, is that no one will ever take any notice when you have something genuine to say |
| YAFFF 29.10.2018 17:47 |
Vocal harmony wrote: This place gets worse by the day. A keyboard is a really safe place to launch insults from. The good thing , and it usually passes people like this by, is that no one will ever take any notice when you have something genuine to sayScroll back three years and the same "this place gets worse by the day" or variants were said repeatedly. Forums are what they are. A serious person can discern between what's serious and what's silliness. Don't you worry.....................something something (insert insult here) |
| YAFFF 29.10.2018 18:12 |
bucsateflon wrote: "scrotum soaker" "nut nosher" "testicle tickler" Much respect, keep it up with insults for question mark boy-girl(thomasquin)I also fully expect props for the usage of alliteration. I'm sure thomasthemightlessquin would agree, |
| badboybez 29.10.2018 19:07 |
Well went to see it last night - TBH wasn't as bad as I expected. However no excuse for the timeline fuckabouts. Thought the Live Aid segment was done pretty well. |
| Vocal harmony 29.10.2018 19:49 |
YAFFF wrote:I'm not worrying,I'm fully aware what was being posted three years ago, and ten years ago. Unlike you some of us were members back then. My comment still stands.Vocal harmony wrote: This place gets worse by the day. A keyboard is a really safe place to launch insults from. The good thing , and it usually passes people like this by, is that no one will ever take any notice when you have something genuine to sayScroll back three years and the same "this place gets worse by the day" or variants were said repeatedly. Forums are what they are. A serious person can discern between what's serious and what's silliness. Don't you worry.....................something something (insert insult here) |
| Rich Tea 29.10.2018 23:16 |
As you all know I've been a Queen fan from almost the beginning so having read the comments about timeline differences etc I went to see the film expecting that I would just be over critical of it. Within minutes of the start I realised this was a piece of entertainment yes there is a high degree of "artistic" licence with the story but lets be realistic its 15 or so years condensed into a couple of hours and I loved it. Its very respectful of Freddie & his friends & family and I must admit I found myself crying during parts of it. Every single person who I know who has been to see it have only had positive things to say about it so I say bollocks to the critics and I'm feeling so glad I've lived long enough to see Queen in there hey day as well as Queen as a British Institution 26 years on still as popular as ever...…….. |
| The Real Wizard 29.10.2018 23:17 |
YAFFF wrote: I've worked in the movie businessAs a janitor. Nobody worth their professional salt would even consider spending their free time on a forum pretending to be as much of a fool as you. |
| The Real Wizard 29.10.2018 23:19 |
Togg wrote: "it's insulting they would use Martel for Live Aid." Staggering just how ignorant and pathetic this forum has become these days... honest to god, you people have absolutely zero understanding of how the technical challenges are dealt with in film production, that comment right there shows the pathetic level of intellect is here...Yep. This place's best days are far behind it. The trolls are taking over, and most people with any intelligence are long gone. |
| The Fonz 30.10.2018 00:54 |
Hey RealWiz, have you seen it yet? I'm aiming to take my kid to it over the weekend. |
| Supersonic_Man89 30.10.2018 01:15 |
Weird how people are arguing about Marc's voice being used for the Live Aid section... when in the final film it's Freddie. Whatever the reason was, they obviously changed their mind very later on... good decision too. |
| musicland munich 30.10.2018 01:39 |
As aspected it will top the uk box office. Already made ca.12,500,000 $ on opening weekend. |
| dysan 30.10.2018 07:50 |
Wouldn't it be funny if Bohemian Rhapsody knocked Mamma Mia off the top spot. |
| bucsateflon 30.10.2018 08:30 |
Supersonic_Man89 wrote: Weird how people are arguing about Marc's voice being used for the Live Aid section... when in the final film it's Freddie. Whatever the reason was, they obviously changed their mind very later on... good decision too.You can't be trusted... |
| The Real Wizard 30.10.2018 08:39 |
The Fonz wrote: Hey RealWiz, have you seen it yet? I'm aiming to take my kid to it over the weekend.Not yet - probably will next week. Have fun ! |
| The Real Wizard 30.10.2018 08:42 |
bucsateflon wrote:WTF?Supersonic_Man89 wrote: Weird how people are arguing about Marc's voice being used for the Live Aid section... when in the final film it's Freddie. Whatever the reason was, they obviously changed their mind very later on... good decision too.You can't be trusted... Why yet another baseless personal attack to a perfectly reasonable post? Do you have nothing better to do? |
| Golden Salmon 30.10.2018 12:12 |
'Bohemian Rhapsody': #1 film in the UK Not surprising I guess, despite the reviews. I'm glad that the music keeps on being popular. Yet another number one related to Bohemian Rhapsody :-P |
| mike hunt 30.10.2018 12:31 |
glad seeing them in the spotlight again...Movie could have been better, but it is what it is....I wonder If Greatest Hits will hit the charts again. |
| Togg 30.10.2018 12:32 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Nail on head Sir...YAFFF wrote: I've worked in the movie businessAs a janitor. Nobody worth their professional salt would even consider spending their free time on a forum pretending to be as much of a fool as you. It's hilarious, every word he types he displays more and more ignorance, gotta love these bottom feeders, they can't open their mouths without falling over their own stupidity, you don't even need to poke them they do it all by themselves, just brilliant. |
| paola g 30.10.2018 14:29 |
I do agree with most of you The pre Live Aid commitee is gratuitous and badly fictioned. But there must have been a kind of showdown inside the band for more than one reason. The evidence of this is Paul Prender dismissal as factotum (!?) just bifore the gig, his staying only as Freddie*s friend in Monaco and his cruel revenge few months later with the press. Freddie imposed Prenter on the band for at least 7 years causing severe consequences on their relationships and careers. It is reasonale to suppose thai as that point (1985 failure of freddie^s solo, South Africa tour a sort of common disbandment) the other members might have forced Freddie to take a decision. Having said that, i completely agree. A very rough mainstream biopic is not the contenxt for new revelations or subjective doomsday |
| YAFFF 30.10.2018 15:05 |
The Real Wizard wrote:LOL! You don't know who I am and it phases me not whether you believe me. Look at your post count. This forum is practically your life (as well as your poorly formatted website). Calling me a fool is just a way to ease your ego since I slapped your dull ass around on this forum. You lost. Deal with it.YAFFF wrote: I've worked in the movie businessAs a janitor. Nobody worth their professional salt would even consider spending their free time on a forum pretending to be as much of a fool as you. |
| YAFFF 30.10.2018 15:08 |
Togg wrote:Again...the tragic irony. I've read enough of your posts to know you are dumber than dried dung. But, hey, continue deluding and deflecting by calling others "stupid". It's hilarious.The Real Wizard wrote:Nail on head Sir... It's hilarious, every word he types he displays more and more ignorance, gotta love these bottom feeders, they can't open their mouths without falling over their own stupidity, you don't even need to poke them they do it all by themselves, just brilliant.YAFFF wrote: I've worked in the movie businessAs a janitor. Nobody worth their professional salt would even consider spending their free time on a forum pretending to be as much of a fool as you. |
| YAFFF 30.10.2018 15:10 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Sheesh you win the "whiniest bitch of the week" award hands down. Quit being a twat.bucsateflon wrote:WTF? Why yet another baseless personal attack to a perfectly reasonable post? Do you have nothing better to do?Supersonic_Man89 wrote: Weird how people are arguing about Marc's voice being used for the Live Aid section... when in the final film it's Freddie. Whatever the reason was, they obviously changed their mind very later on... good decision too.You can't be trusted... |
| YAFFF 30.10.2018 15:36 |
link ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ Review: Another One Bites the Dust “Bohemian Rhapsody,” the song by Queen, lasts nearly six minutes, a very long time for a pop single back in 1975. A baroque blend of gibberish, mysticism and melodrama, the track is a can of earworms, one of those musical confections that get into your head whether you like it or not and stay there forever. Some of us who were devoted radio listeners in the mid-’70s will surely sit up in our death beds and whisper “Galileo, Galileo, Figaro” with our final breaths. “Bohemian Rhapsody,” the movie about Queen, lasts more than two hours, not a very long time by modern feature standards, even though it feels interminable. A baroque blend of gibberish, mysticism and melodrama, the film seems engineered to be as unmemorable as possible, with the exception of the prosthetic teeth worn by the lead actor, Rami Malek, who plays Freddie Mercury, Queen’s lead singer. Those choppers may give you nightmares. And some of you who venture into the theater will surely be inspired to exclaim “Mama mia, let me go!” Bismillah, no. Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Like most musical biopics, “Bohemian Rhapsody,” which focuses on Mercury’s thrilling rise and partial fall, is a little of both. Beginning with Queen’s show-stealing performance at the Live Aid charity concert in 1985 — a very big deal at the time — the film flashes back to scruffier days in London, 15 years previously, when a young man named Farrokh Bulsara renamed himself Freddie Mercury and joined a band with a bunch of fellow college students. Freddie’s sometimes difficult relationship with his conservative Indian Parsi family forms one axis of the plot. (His stern father is played by Ace Bhatti, his doting mother by Meneka Das.) His generally harmonious, occasionally contentious relationship with his bandmates (Ben Hardy, Joe Mazzello and Gwilym Lee, in fine hair) provides another. If you’ve ever wondered how “Bohemian Rhapsody” managed to be released — there was an argument with an industry bigwig, cheekily played by Mike Myers — or how Queen came up with the beat for “We Will Rock You” or the bass line for “Another One Bites the Dust,” your curiosity will be half-satisfied. You will also hear a lot of music, which is nice. Queen’s hits were always more about sound and sensation than sense, and Mercury’s lyrics were above all vehicles for his extraordinary voice. Sadly, absurdly, “Bohemian Rhapsody” is a plodding, literal-minded, conventional affair, in spite of Malek’s game attempt to mimic Mercury’s strutting theatricality onstage and his operatic moodiness in daily life. The screenwriter (Anthony McCarten, who wrote “Darkest Hour” and “The Theory of Everything”) and the credited director, Bryan Singer (who was replaced by Dexter Fletcher late in the production), swaddle their subject in pageantry and spectacle, without supplying dramatic momentum or psychological insight. Mercury, as he struggles with his sexuality and his need for creative autonomy, is a collection of adjectives — imperious, vulnerable, witty, forlorn — in search of a personality. His marriage, to Mary Austin (Lucy Boynton), is idealized, though it’s also complicated by Freddie’s attraction to men. The film doesn’t seem to know what to do with homosexual desire — or with gay politics as the sexual liberation of the ’70s gave way to the AIDS crisis of the ’80s. Freddie’s love affair with Paul Prenter (Allen Leech of “Downton Abbey” fame), a member of Queen’s management team, is played for maximum scandal, a nightmare of debauchery, addiction and exploitation, with Freddie in the role of corrupted innocent. |
| bucsateflon 30.10.2018 15:47 |
YAFFF wrote:Oh this character is really sick in the head, just look at his posts count, all he does is make stupid statements and create quarrels.The Real Wizard wrote:Sheesh you win the "whiniest bitch of the week" award hands down. Quit being a twat.bucsateflon wrote:WTF? Why yet another baseless personal attack to a perfectly reasonable post? Do you have nothing better to do?Supersonic_Man89 wrote: Weird how people are arguing about Marc's voice being used for the Live Aid section... when in the final film it's Freddie. Whatever the reason was, they obviously changed their mind very later on... good decision too.You can't be trusted... Best to ignore him, you'll be doing what doctors would advise for his mental illness. |
| The Real Wizard 30.10.2018 16:02 |
YAFFF wrote: LOL! You don't know who I am"Who you are" isn't your occupation or your accomplishments. It is your personality. And judging by the drivel that you spew on this forum, you don't have one. If by any slight chance you actually think you are "somebody", give your head a shake and look at what you've instead become - an internet bully with a superiority complex. |
| The Real Wizard 30.10.2018 16:05 |
bucsateflon wrote:Projecting again, I see. Typical of someone with a mental illness.YAFFF wrote:Oh this character is really sick in the head, just look at his posts count, all he does is make stupid statements and create quarrels. Best to ignore him, you'll be doing what doctors would advise for his mental illness.The Real Wizard wrote:Sheesh you win the "whiniest bitch of the week" award hands down. Quit being a twat.bucsateflon wrote:WTF? Why yet another baseless personal attack to a perfectly reasonable post? Do you have nothing better to do?Supersonic_Man89 wrote: Weird how people are arguing about Marc's voice being used for the Live Aid section... when in the final film it's Freddie. Whatever the reason was, they obviously changed their mind very later on... good decision too.You can't be trusted... If I've been on this forum for nearly 20 years, the math says I post 3 times per day on average, which is 5 minutes of my day - nowadays largely in response to vile nonsense spouted out by people like yourself. Whoopie dee. Why are you so obsessed with me? You have pointed this out time and time again as if it has some kind of meaning in your life. You should seek help. |
| YAFFF 30.10.2018 16:24 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Well, clearly, clearly, I'm superior to you. Then again...who isn't?YAFFF wrote: LOL! You don't know who I am"Who you are" isn't your occupation or your accomplishments. It is your personality. And judging by the drivel that you spew on this forum, you don't have one. If by any slight chance you actually think you are "somebody", give your head a shake and look at what you've instead become - an internet bully with a superiority complex. |
| YAFFF 30.10.2018 16:30 |
The Real Wizard wrote: mental illnessPost number 20,388 from Real Wizzer (who only gets 30 minutes a day computer time at the asylum where he resides) |
| Golden Salmon 30.10.2018 17:18 |
This forum needs some real moderation. Way to derail the thread, dude. |
| YAFFF 30.10.2018 17:31 |
Golden Salmon wrote: This forum needs some real moderation. Way to derail the thread, dude.Hmm. Instead of posting a review or giving an opinion on the flick...you post this? See the irony? Here let me do what you should have done instead: A review: link Rated PG-13 for thematic elements, suggestive material, drug content and language. 135 minutes Sheila O'Malley October 30, 2018 There's a scene in "Bohemian Rhapsody" I keep coming back to, because it's symbolic of the film's problems, not just with its presentation of Queen, but of Freddie Mercury, the legendary lead singer and the greatest frontman of all time. (I'd say "arguably" but for me there's no argument.) One night, Freddie Mercury (an extraordinary Rami Malek), missing the excitement of touring, throws a costume ball in his mansion. Dressed in an ermine cloak and a crown, he swings through the crowd, made up of men in various degrees of fabulous drag. The other members of Queen—lead guitarist Brian May (Gwilym Lee), drummer Roger Taylor (Ben Hardy), and bassist John Deacon (Joseph Mazzello)—sit together, visibly uncomfortable. Freddie greets them rapturously, and one of them says stiffly, "This isn't really our scene, Freddie." Later that night, Freddie hits on a waiter named Jim (Aaron McCusker), who rebuffs him, saying, "Call me when you like yourself." The more I think about this scene—the problems of which could fill an entire dissertation—the angrier I get. "Bohemian Rhapsody"—written by Anthony McCarten ("The Theory of Everything", "Darkest Hour") and directed by Bryan Singer (with uncredited director Dexter Fletcher, who took over after Singer was fired)—wants me to watch the costume ball scene and think, "Wow, I'm scared for Freddie. Freddie needs the stability of his (married, straight) band members to counteract the SUPER gay world he's living in." I struggled with this scene, I tried to give the filmmakers the benefit of the doubt. But what's onscreen is what is intended. We are meant to side with the band members, we are meant to look at Freddie with the same discomfort about him acting so, well, gay. It's unforgivable. Opening and closing with Queen's triumphant performance at Live Aid in 1985, the film shows (sort of) the transformation of shy buck-toothed Farrokh Bulsara, the closeted son of Parsis parents, into the strutting swaggering Freddie Mercury. Freddie is shown approaching a band he likes backstage at a club in London. They just lost their lead singer, and Mercury has written a song he wants to show them. Next thing you know, he makes his debut with them, and, except for one catcall of "Paki," Freddie and his flamboyant movements goes over really well. Next thing you know, they're Queen, and they're touring the world. In the film, their artistic journey is boiled down into on-the-nose statements like, "We'll mix genres and cross boundaries!" Do rock stars speak like this? The genesis of some of their biggest hits—"Bohemian Rhapsody," "Another One Bites the Dust," "We Will Rock You"—are treated in a cursory manner, with very little insight provided into an actual creative process. Biopics tend towards the "sensational," making the mistake of thinking that the most interesting thing about James Brown, for example, is his personal life, when why we care about James Brown is his music. "I Saw the Light" was far more interested in Hank Williams' drug addiction than in what he actually did in country music that was so groundbreaking. Some films—like "Love & Mercy" and "I'm Not There"—move away from the biopic approach altogether, and attempt to grapple with the subject matter as artists. The artistic commentary in "Bohemian Rhapsody" tends towards a knowing wink-wink at the audience. "Nobody wants to listen to a six-minute opera song with words like 'Galileo' in it!," cries one record label executive (played by Mike Myers in a bit of meta-casting, calling up the "Bohemian Rhapsody" scene in "Wayne's World.") "Bohemian Rhapsody" is bad in the way a lot of biopics are bad: it's superficial, it avoids complexity, and the narrative has a connect-the-dots quality. This kind of badness, while annoying, is relatively benign. However, the attitude towards Mercury's sexual expression is the opposite of benign. The tensions of being a gay man in the 1970s are not handled, or even addressed. He himself seems unaware of his own sexual desires. He falls in love with Mary Austin (Lucy Boynton), and looks shocked and disturbed when a trucker gives him a seductive side-eye at a restroom in middle America. (Fade to black. We never see what happened next.) Later, Mary says to him, "You're gay, Freddie," and he responds, "I think I'm bisexual." That's as far as the conversation goes. The film is rated PG-13, so there's not much sex in it anyway, but he's shown in a romantic context only with Mary. There's no other word for this approach than phobic. The relationship with Mary was hugely important to Mercury (he left his estate to her in his will), but the subtleties of the situation and the context of what it would mean to "come out" in the 1970s are not explored at all. The script makes it seem like Mercury had no desires for homosexual sex until Paul Prenter (Allen Leech) came along and showed him the way. Paul, manipulative, cunning, controlling, lures Mercury into the gay underworld of leather clubs and orgies, far away from the goodness, the wholesomeness, that is the rest of Queen. Prenter—who also died of AIDS in 1991—eventually gave very damaging interviews following his breakup with Mercury. But "Bohemian Rhapsody" shows no interest in contextualizing what Paul, a self-described "queer Catholic boy from North Belfast," may have represented to the closeted Mercury, why Freddie was drawn to him. Maybe Freddie was sick of hanging out with his straight married friends and needed some "gay time." Nobody knew AIDS was coming. The people in those clubs weren't just biding their time in an orgy of self-loathing until a biblical plague was visited upon them. They were having a blast. A long-overdue blast. But you'd never know that from the film. "Bohemian Rhapsody" views Paul as a villain and AIDS as a punishment. None of this is the fault of Rami Malek, whose imitation of Mercury goes beyond the famously prominent teeth. He taps into Mercury's ferocious energy, particularly in the concert sequences, all of which give you the electric sense of what it might have been like to be there in person. The single star of this review is for Malek's performance. The film's reluctance to deal with Mercury's sexuality is catastrophic because his sexuality is so connected to the art of Queen that the two cannot be separated out. Refusing to acknowledge queerness as an artistic force—indeed, to point at it and suggest that this is where Mercury went astray—is a deep disservice to Mercury, to Queen, to Queen fans, and to potential Queen fans. Genius doesn't emerge from a vacuum. Mercury was made up of all of the tensions and passions in his life: he loved Elvis, opera, music hall, costumes, Victorian England ... and, yes, sex. Lots of it. Sexual expression equals liberation, and you can feel the exhilaration of that in Mercury's once-in-a-generation voice. You cannot discuss Freddie Mercury without discussing the queer sensibility driving him, the queer context in which he operated. Or, you can try, as this film does, but you will fail. |
| Vocal harmony 30.10.2018 17:32 |
YAFFF wrote:The only thing you, and people like you, are superior to is the shit on the bottom of your shoe. And most of that you've tried to present on this forum as proof of your position in life.The Real Wizard wrote:Well, clearly, clearly, I'm superior to you. Then again...who isn't?YAFFF wrote: LOL! You don't know who I am"Who you are" isn't your occupation or your accomplishments. It is your personality. And judging by the drivel that you spew on this forum, you don't have one. If by any slight chance you actually think you are "somebody", give your head a shake and look at what you've instead become - an internet bully with a superiority complex. |
| YAFFF 30.10.2018 17:37 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Spoken like the true cuck you are. Now go blow your nose after all this sniffling. And by the way..that "shit" on the bottom of my shoe?....well, it's obviously you, which explains your little tantrum. Don't worry. You've been wiped off and discarded now.YAFFF wrote:The only thing you, and people like you, are superior to is the shit on the bottom of your shoe. And most of that you've tried to present on this forum as proof of your position in life.The Real Wizard wrote:Well, clearly, clearly, I'm superior to you. Then again...who isn't?YAFFF wrote: LOL! You don't know who I am"Who you are" isn't your occupation or your accomplishments. It is your personality. And judging by the drivel that you spew on this forum, you don't have one. If by any slight chance you actually think you are "somebody", give your head a shake and look at what you've instead become - an internet bully with a superiority complex. |
| YAFFF 30.10.2018 19:39 |
I've posted two reviews today. Can we get back on topic? Go ahead have the last word on the bickering. It isn't fun if you're not having fun too. And yes immature name-calling and bantering is fun even if y'all think yer above it. LOL |
| bucsateflon 30.10.2018 20:37 |
Yafff is right |
| mike hunt 30.10.2018 21:00 |
YAFFF, Nice review and on point from what I hear....After I see the movie I'll give my opinion. Even though I already know you're right. |
| YAFFF 31.10.2018 13:28 |
‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ is a bad movie. But boy, is it entertaining. By Ann Hornaday Movie critic October 30 at 5:34 PM Rating: 2.5 We can stipulate a few things about “Bohemian Rhapsody.” We can stipulate that it’s not a great movie. We can stipulate that, in many ways, it’s not even a very good movie. As a trite, often laughably cliched biopic of Queen frontman Freddie Mercury, an enterprise that should have been as daring and flamboyantly theatrical as its subject winds up being bowdlerized, Wiki-fied, distortingly compressed and unforgivably conventional. And yet. We can also stipulate that, despite the myriad shortcomings of its parts, the sum of “Bohemian Rhapsody” winds up being giddily entertaining, first as an exercise in so-bad-it’s-funny kitsch, and ultimately as something far more meaningful and thrilling. Every now and then, a film comes along that defies the demands of taste, formal sophistication, even artistic honesty to succeed simply on the level of pure, inexplicable pleasure. “Bohemian Rhapsody” is just that cinematic unicorn: the bad movie that works, even when it shouldn’t. As a whirligig tour through Mercury’s rise and tragic end (he died from AIDS-related pneumonia in 1991), “Bohemian Rhapsody” hits all the expected notes: We meet young Farrokh Bulsara (Rami Malek), the son of immigrants from Zanzibar, when he’s working as a baggage handler at Heathrow Airport, writing songs on the fly and making pilgrimages to a local club to hear his favorite band, Smile. When that group’s lead singer quits, Bulsara holds his own impromptu audition in the parking lot, wowing guitarist Brian May (Gwilym Lee) and drummer Roger Taylor (Ben Hardy) with his soaring range and instant harmonizability. Not since Ally sang “Shallow” for Jackson Maine outside Super A Foods have the musical gods smiled so fortuitously. What follows is the stuff of familiar history: Renamed Queen at the suggestion of Bulsara (who already called himself Freddie and went on to adopt the stage name Mercury), the band becomes hugely popular throughout the 1970s and 1980s, creating pop anthems and an extravagant stage show that defies rock’s grittily macho self-image and proves improbably galvanizing. Meanwhile, Freddie proposes to the love of his life, Mary Austin (Lucy Boynton), even though deep in both their hearts, they know that he’s gay. As Freddie’s fame grows, so do his conflicts: with his own sexual identity, with an unscrupulous manager, with isolation and drugs and, finally, with the band that made him a star. These bullet points are dramatized with a metronomic sense of duty in “Bohemian Rhapsody,” which was directed by Bryan Singer until he was fired from the production, at which point Dexter Fletcher stepped in to finish filming and edit. That hiccup doesn’t entirely account for the pitfalls of a film that primary suffers from an eye-rollingly obvious script, in which real human beings utter expository dreck like “The album’s hit the charts in the U.S.!” Part of what makes the plot of “Bohemian Rhapsody” so dreary is that it doesn’t illuminate anything beyond what the audience probably already knows (or, just as likely, knows more about). Schematic and shallow, it flits from one hoary set piece to the next with all of the insight, surprise and psychological depth of a sanitized “Behind the Music” episode or unironic remake of “Walk Hard.” And yet. If anyone doubted that cinema is an actor’s medium, “Bohemian Rhapsody” arrives as indisputable proof. Even behind a set of distracting prosthetic teeth simulating Freddie’s famous overbite, Malek delivers a committed, thoroughly inhabited performance, which winds up transcending the regrettably thin material at hand. Considerably shorter than his character, Malek nonetheless masters the muscular swagger and captivating stage presence of a man who, when he sings in front of his first big crowd, announces that he’s finally discovered his life’s calling. Even at his most fey and alien-looking, Malek makes that statement utterly credible. Happily — and crucially — the supporting roles in “Bohemian Rhapsody” are just as well-judged, As an end-credits montage suggests, the actors playing May, Taylor and bassist John Deacon (Joseph Mazzello) look eerily like their real-life analogues. (Watch out for an amusing cameo by Mike Myers as a recalcitrant EMI executive and for the great Tom Hollander and Allen Leech as the managerial equivalent of good and bad angels.) The best parts of “Bohemian Rhapsody” have less to do with Freddie’s tribulations than the mysterious alchemy of a collaboration between four self-described misfits that on paper never would have worked, but yielded uncanny and enduring results. Nowhere is that more evident than in the film’s most gratifying scenes reenacting Queen’s performances and recording sessions, including a wonderfully invigorating sequence dedicated to the legendary title number, which was concocted over a marathon session and an infinite number of takes (all those “Galileos” climbing ever higher and higher). “Bohemian Rhapsody” ends with one of the most memorable movie finales in recent memory, when the filmmakers restage, almost note for note, Queen’s appearance at Live Aid in 1985, a performance that went down in history as perhaps the finest live set ever, and one that convinced those who had dismissed Queen as a camp event of the group’s technical prowess and electrifying showmanship. It’s a bravura passage, in which Malek’s physical presence fuses seamlessly with Freddie’s slightly ragged voice. As he gains strength, so does the scene and, by extension, the movie, which take on weight and emotion and an inescapable, infectious joy. “Bohemian Rhapsody” might have started out as an ode to the supernatural talent of one man. It ends as a testament to a band, and simply how good they made their fans feel. PG-13. At area theaters. Contains mature thematic elements, suggestive material, drug use and strong language. 134 minutes. |
| Another Roger (re) 31.10.2018 16:36 |
"Bohemian Rhapsody is a terrible song. But omg how I enjoy it. " |
| gerbenletzer 31.10.2018 17:34 |
Going to see it on an hour. Gonna try to turn the Queen knowledge off for 2 hours and hopefully enjoy the film?! |
| Golden Salmon 31.10.2018 17:46 |
gerbenletzer wrote: Going to see it on an hour. Gonna try to turn the Queen knowledge off for 2 hours and hopefully enjoy the film?!No fun allowed. Every time you notice something's off, scream at the top of your lungs. |
| Holly2003 31.10.2018 18:19 |
Stand up and shout "Khannnn!" in the middle of the movie. That will confused everyone. link |
| dysan 31.10.2018 19:18 |
Every time there's an error, shout 'dee doh day day'. Every third error shout 'I don't have no time for this monkey business!' |
| gerbenletzer 31.10.2018 23:18 |
Haha, well I enjoyed the film! I know artistic liberties were taken, but it makes the story work. Overall, I'm relieved and happy with it. They, especially Malek, did Freddie justice. |
| Fredfan 01.11.2018 02:24 |
I just saw the film - indeed the casual fan and the fan who has read at least 4 different biographies and countless articles on Queen has drastically different reviews. I must say while there were liberties that I found hard to believe (Jim Hutton as a waiter, AIDS before Live Aid, etc.) it was an enjoyable movie nonetheless. Rami Malek was great. |
| Shvili 01.11.2018 02:42 |
Saw the movie. Regret to say,but it was bad. ..daytime soap-opera bad. Guarantee, Malek is not getting nominated for anything. He was laughable as Freddie. I'd suggest waiting till it's streaming on Netflix, which shouldn't take that long considering the poor quality. |
| Donna13 01.11.2018 04:12 |
I’m excited about seeing the movie tomorrow. I’m just going to enjoy it for what it is. I wanted to mention how impressed I am with Rami Malek just based on all the interviews and clips. I like the way he sometimes refers to Freddie as if he is still alive. It is touching. |
| runner_70 01.11.2018 09:40 |
Shvili wrote: Saw the movie. Regret to say,but it was bad. ..daytime soap-opera bad. Guarantee, Malek is not getting nominated for anything. He was laughable as Freddie. I'd suggest waiting till it's streaming on Netflix, which shouldn't take that long considering the poor quality.Rami was ok but way off awards. The movie was a retribution of Brian may and his jealousy towards freddie. He came across as inscure, non reliable dick., And for the scene where he is begging them to get his job back Brian should be punished. |
| mike hunt 01.11.2018 10:03 |
Most die hards hate the movie, but causal fans seem to like it...I know I would have done it different, but I'll still watch it, and hoping It does well at the box office. It's good seeing Queen getting so much attention again..Just wish the movie was brilliant. |
| Dr Magus 01.11.2018 10:37 |
I agree with an earlier comment that the film would have made a better tv series. They were never going to be able to cram everything into a two hour film. The actor playing deaky had a great look and sound to his voice but alot of his stage moves were cringeworthy. |
| dudeofqueen 01.11.2018 10:47 |
Now, I have a deep-seated HATRED for the Daily Mail, but this is funny: link |
| Sebastian 01.11.2018 16:00 |
I liked it. |
| YAFFF 01.11.2018 16:38 |
mike hunt wrote: Most die hards hate the movie, but causal fans seem to like it...I know I would have done it different, but I'll still watch it, and hoping It does well at the box office. It's good seeing Queen getting so much attention again..Just wish the movie was brilliant.Most fans are casual fans. Brian and Roger don't care about so-called die-hards. They've gotten our money and plenty of us will still give them money even if they made a 60 minute video of Adam Lamberace taking a shit if it had Queen music as a soundtrack. Brian and Roger have been all about new money and new fans and re-writing history for nearly two decades to these newer fans. It'll work too. The general public/surface fans will have the Brian/Roger version of events but thank goodness for the critical thinkers who will preserve the truth even if it takes effort to find it. It's only entertainment in the end. They don't owe fans anything. Yeah it'd be cool even this was a fan-friendly band but it's not. Hey no one forced anyone to patronize the band for it's goods. I've been satisfactorily amused and entertained. I've gotten more than my money's worth because the band is just extraordinarily great. While I'm annoyed about what these two clowns have done to their legacy and how they used Lamberace and this flick as opportunities to elevate themselves at the expense of Freddie it really has nothing to do with all the genuine Queen albums and video I enjoy. This movie just won't be an addition to my collection. The movie is for the easily-impressed and the quick to forgive crowd. I will not begrudgingly go and support this thing just because. I can't come up with a good reason to go see it. I've seen and read more than enough to know it's the kind of simplistic, MOR drivel I don't enjoy no matter what it's about. It's clear the recreated performances are the only true special thing the film has but I have the far superior originals so...hey maybe when it's on Netflix or something i'll watch it but I'm in no rush. QUEEN FOREVER (oh because of recent events I have to define Queen. Queen is Freddie Mercury/John Deacon/Brian May/Roger Taylor ONLY) |
| cmsdrums 01.11.2018 17:53 |
runner_70 wrote:You’re confusing Brian (who was jointly responsible for the soundtrack) with the director, writer script editor and producer, who were the people responsible for the film). Is it the make up artist’s fault that the costumes weren’t truly accurate?Shvili wrote: Saw the movie. Regret to say,but it was bad. ..daytime soap-opera bad. Guarantee, Malek is not getting nominated for anything. He was laughable as Freddie. I'd suggest waiting till it's streaming on Netflix, which shouldn't take that long considering the poor quality.Rami was ok but way off awards. The movie was a retribution of Brian may and his jealousy towards freddie. He came across as inscure, non reliable dick., And for the scene where he is begging them to get his job back Brian should be punished. |
| bucsateflon 01.11.2018 18:27 |
Who reads reviews before seeing this movie for himself is dumb. |
| dysan 01.11.2018 19:34 |
This I agree with. |
| runner_70 01.11.2018 20:33 |
cmsdrums wrote:I am sure Maylor could have voted against certain things. This scene makes me vomit and is clearly a betrayalof Freddie.runner_70 wrote:You’re confusing Brian (who was jointly responsible for the soundtrack) with the director, writer script editor and producer, who were the people responsible for the film). Is it the make up artist’s fault that the costumes weren’t truly accurate?Shvili wrote: Saw the movie. Regret to say,but it was bad. ..daytime soap-opera bad. Guarantee, Malek is not getting nominated for anything. He was laughable as Freddie. I'd suggest waiting till it's streaming on Netflix, which shouldn't take that long considering the poor quality.Rami was ok but way off awards. The movie was a retribution of Brian may and his jealousy towards freddie. He came across as inscure, non reliable dick., And for the scene where he is begging them to get his job back Brian should be punished. |
| runner_70 01.11.2018 21:20 |
YAFFF wrote:Spot on mate - exactly what I feel! And I saw it twice!!!!mike hunt wrote: Most die hards hate the movie, but causal fans seem to like it...I know I would have done it different, but I'll still watch it, and hoping It does well at the box office. It's good seeing Queen getting so much attention again..Just wish the movie was brilliant.Most fans are casual fans. Brian and Roger don't care about so-called die-hards. They've gotten our money and plenty of us will still give them money even if they made a 60 minute video of Adam Lamberace taking a shit if it had Queen music as a soundtrack. Brian and Roger have been all about new money and new fans and re-writing history for nearly two decades to these newer fans. It'll work too. The general public/surface fans will have the Brian/Roger version of events but thank goodness for the critical thinkers who will preserve the truth even if it takes effort to find it. It's only entertainment in the end. They don't owe fans anything. Yeah it'd be cool even this was a fan-friendly band but it's not. Hey no one forced anyone to patronize the band for it's goods. I've been satisfactorily amused and entertained. I've gotten more than my money's worth because the band is just extraordinarily great. While I'm annoyed about what these two clowns have done to their legacy and how they used Lamberace and this flick as opportunities to elevate themselves at the expense of Freddie it really has nothing to do with all the genuine Queen albums and video I enjoy. This movie just won't be an addition to my collection. The movie is for the easily-impressed and the quick to forgive crowd. I will not begrudgingly go and support this thing just because. I can't come up with a good reason to go see it. I've seen and read more than enough to know it's the kind of simplistic, MOR drivel I don't enjoy no matter what it's about. It's clear the recreated performances are the only true special thing the film has but I have the far superior originals so...hey maybe when it's on Netflix or something i'll watch it but I'm in no rush. QUEEN FOREVER (oh because of recent events I have to define Queen. Queen is Freddie Mercury/John Deacon/Brian May/Roger Taylor ONLY) |
| ggo1 02.11.2018 02:18 |
Well as a historical account of the band... it's quite a bit off. But I feckin loved the movie. Act two drags a bit... but the first and third acts are really good. I expected to hate it, my wife thought I'd be too close to it and wouldn't be able to just watch it as a movie but I managed to avoid that pitfall and I recommend trying that yourself. I just got back now from the IMAX showing. I hope when it's released properly tomorrow that people go see it. Not that many in the theatre tonight, I expected more bums on seats but everyone there seemed to enjoy it. I say again... I LIKED IT. Now let me stew on WWRY being written in 1980 and FBG being played In 1974.. and... nope don't care. I Still like it. |
| ggo1 02.11.2018 02:18 |
Well as a historical account of the band... it's quite a bit off. But I feckin loved the movie. Act two drags a bit... but the first and third acts are really good. I expected to hate it, my wife thought I'd be too close to it and wouldn't be able to just watch it as a movie but I managed to avoid that pitfall and I recommend trying that yourself. I just got back now from the IMAX showing. I hope when it's released properly tomorrow that people go see it. Not that many in the theatre tonight, I expected more bums on seats but everyone there seemed to enjoy it. I say again... I LIKED IT. Now let me stew on WWRY being written in 1980 and FBG being played In 1974.. and... nope don't care. I Still like it. |
| LucasDiego 02.11.2018 03:11 |
Yeah, the way that they tried put the stories in a sense in many moments was odd, for diehard fan like me, but as a movie, well, i think it's a good movie, the live aid scenes was really great! |
| Donna13 02.11.2018 04:16 |
I saw it tonight in the RPX theater (big screen, big sound), and from the very first moment to the final credits, I was completely in love with this movie. It was like an alternate universe of Queen, as if all elements had been put into a jar, shaken, and magically spilled out in a perfectly fitting new combination. I was shaking with excitement at one point, crying and laughing at other points, and just really could not believe how well they were able to capture the overall essence of the personalities and the excitement of the music and the performances. The acting was so perfect. And those cats! I loved it! |
| runner_70 02.11.2018 06:39 |
I still think it is disgusting showing Freddie as unreliable druggy who is always late while the other band members are at home with their wives. And showing Freddie begging for his job is simply disrespectful and just made to big Maylor up. The music scenes are great but what is the point in watching actors pretending to be Queen when i can watch the original footage instead. The Roger actor was bad. And lots of cringeworthy scenes like being in contact with Mary by switching the lights on and off? Wtf. Or all they can come up with after Freddie tells them about his illness is "you re a Legend Fred"? Or when he walks past an Aids patient at the doctor after he got his diagnosis singing "deedop"? Ridiculous. I could go on forever. And the historical faults are endless. About 2/3 is wrong. Wwry in 1980? Rock in Rio in the 70s. FBG in 1974? Why. I would give it a 4/10 Maximum. Rami is ok and the Live Aid shots are well done. Best parts of the movie: the 20th century fox fanfare with the Red Special and the original dsmn Video when the credits are starting. I felt relieved to see the real deal after all this nonsense before. Overall a huge disappointment |
| Sheldon 02.11.2018 09:00 |
As I wrote in another thread, why make a film about real events and real people if you're gonna make it fiction anyway? * There was absolutely no need to be in Rio in the 70s, they could have been in any cool location where the band actually perform at that time. * Two-year break before Live Aid really ruins the movie for me. They had a two-month break! * Paul Prenter's role is extremely over-emphasized and he comes into the picture way too early. * That whole fake press conference, where Freddie is attacked by journalists. That never happened and gives an entirely distorted picture of his behavior. Yes, the press was mean to Queen, but not like that. * Freddie is portrayed here as a total dickhead in many ways: - the whole pathetic scene where he apologizes to the band and they kind-of allow him to rejoin - when he realized that he had AIDS and decided that he needed someone to nurse him and to feel sorry for him, he found Jim (not true! he did not know about having AIDS when he met Jim) - totally unprofessional way Freddie worked * Why the hell couldn't they keep Roger's hair up to date as time passed? * Freddie never crowd surfed, this is something I would imagine would have terrified him. * Numerous totally unnecessary wrong dates for songs and gigs. * Live Aid was not their huge comeback! They had a large tour literally the same year and huge hits (outside of the US) the previous year. * When Rami walks around in the gay clubs he looks like he is a little kid, who is totally lost and walked in by accident. There's no way Freddie would have looked like this in the same situation. What I liked about this film and what many people seem to have disliked is the portrayal of Mary. From everything I've read she was the most important person in Freddie's life and he was kind-of obsessed with her and this is exactly what we see in the film. I'm not gonna criticize the fact that they faked Freddie finding out that he had AIDS, because obviously there was pressure to include this about him in the film, which they could not have done in a film that ends in 1985 without faking. For some reason there is this enormous need to always associate Freddie with AIDS, but that is another topic for discussion. |
| runner_70 02.11.2018 09:16 |
Sheldon you are spot on.... |
| Sheldon 02.11.2018 09:17 |
Donna13, I also felt what you are trying to explain. The way I explained the same thing to myself was that this is an cubist painting. They absolutely wanted to feature certain episodes and even quotes from Freddie's life, but did not feel like doing it in the correct sequence. Instead, they tried to show everything at once, just like in a cubist painting. In addition to what I write above, it is worth mentioning how nicely Jim was portrayed in the film as a kind-of counter force to the nasty side of the same coin (hedonistic lifestyle, Paul Prenter...). |
| runner_70 02.11.2018 09:41 |
Mary and Jim are the few Highlights in the movie |
| emrabt 02.11.2018 10:34 |
I thought it was going to be terrible, but I’ve seen it and it's not that bad, lot's of events have obviously been amalgamated, simplified, streamlined and totally fabricated, but they’ve managed to get a lot of stuff into the 2 hour time frame. It's basicly a very whitewashed version of history "remember we practised so much for Live Aid because Freddie was ill, not because we played Sun City the year before..." Jim Hutton seems to be an amalgamation of Jim Hutton and Winnie Kirchberger, and Paul Prenter seems to be an amalgamation of every bad person who ever lived and is portrayed as being the puppeteer behind every bad decision the band ever made... I was expecting it to be like that village people Biopic, but it wasn't as bad as that. |
| Dr Magus 02.11.2018 11:02 |
I'm actually looking forward to seeing it again next week. Makes me happy that film audiences are treated to songs like Doing All Right and Keep Yourself Alive. Great exposure for songs that should be much bigger than they are. |
| matt z 02.11.2018 14:21 |
Dang. Planning on viewing it twice, but still no idea if i could. You know. .. just a selfish thing. Once for reactions. Second for things overseen. Sounds about right that long time fans may be disappointed. Aargh. I was supposed to have taken opening day off |
| emrabt 02.11.2018 14:34 |
I was surprised they had “baggage handler” as ‘the’ Pre-Queen job rather than Freddie running the market stall with Roger, but I guess it was easier to introduce Smile, Brian, Roger and Mary all at the same time. |
| bucsateflon 02.11.2018 15:10 |
After seeing this biopic I feel that it should be categorized more like a fictional drama made for the masses. Judge it like this and movie starts to look good, Rami's performance even better. This is not a movie made for Queen fans, and therefore analyzing and scrutinizing over false and true facts is really silly for me to do. |
| user1 02.11.2018 19:31 |
Seems like they sacked Sacha B Cohen because he wanted to make an r-rated Freddie film : “Outrageous in terms of his homosexuality and outrageous in terms of endless naked scenes. Sacha loved all of that.” says Stephen Frears, once hired to be a director of the movie link |
| emrabt 02.11.2018 19:59 |
That would have been much worse. |
| user1 02.11.2018 20:31 |
A film with realistic scenes from Freddie's gay club life would definitely cater to a smaller audience ;) |
| *goodco* 02.11.2018 20:34 |
Just home from a noon matinee. I don't understand all the intentional timeline errors, the various made up events, etc. Then again, Connecticut was always on board regarding the 13th Amendment, not as portrayed in 'Lincoln', and Abe did not originate it. 'Darkest Hour': Churchill never rode the subway and had the conversation with passengers. 'JFK'....where to begin????? 'The Doors', well....... For the 'Queen' experience, we smiled, we were moved, we teared up, and enjoyed it more than I thought we would. We know it was sanitized. And yet, it didn't shy away completely. Will recommend it, and will see it again. |
| MercurialFreddie 02.11.2018 22:07 |
Just got back from the IMAX theatre. This movie was engaging. The re-created gigs, Queen's conquering the world, Freddie / Mary very romantic XIX century style relationship (signalling each other with the lamps!!!), portraying how lonely Freddie was and giving people insight of how hedonistic world pulled him in (AOBTD scenes - very clever mash-up). I think that in the second half of the movie Freddie is portrayed as being totally under influence of drugs and alcohol and Prenter and it is too heavy counterweight to the Irst act, in which Freddie is very demanding, boastful, in control, proud. Some of the scenes which were not true to the timeline and facts were good. Freddie telling the band that he has AIDS but he wants to move on, not whine about it and doesn't want anyone else being over-sympathetic and so on... it showed his strength. WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT: I saw that people were moved, laughed at some of the jokes and I laughed with them (first scene with moustache and Roger's reaction), I saw how deeply emotional they got, how they cried. How after the movie ended, all of those who were there stayed right up till the end of DSMN, and how - after the movie they were discussing it and many "what if"s. What if Freddie, stayed with Mary, what if he didn't got AIDS, what if.... This movie will open Queen to new audiences. I went to see it with my friend who, basically is an ANTI-FAN and he enjoyed it more than me. He said one very interesting thing: This movie proves how important Freddie was, that he gave Queen an identity, the shape and character. |
| TheGame 02.11.2018 23:10 |
Yeah, so the long awaited movie is out. I took it for what it was, a movie, not a documentary. Yes, i got confused about the wrong timelines which many have mentioned and all the "fake" scenes, but they tried to compress all the essence of emotions between everyone involved and the "history" within the -1985 time limit. I understand what they tried to achieve and if you look at the bigger pictures, it gives a fair insight of their story. Yes, i think it could have been better, but i enjoyed it and liked it. Bit annoying with the aids story at the end, but it had to be there, so i think it was an ok way of doing it. Looking forward to the blu-ray release and hopefully there will be a extended version on it with some nice extras. |
| Thistle 02.11.2018 23:53 |
I've finally relented and watched the movie. I was adamant that I wouldn't, but curiosity killed the cat and all that.... No, I wanted to be able to critique it having witnessed it for myself or without relying on what might just be biased reports on the 'net. I can't add much to the bloopers that everyone noticed. They're all there and plain to see. I thought they'd have ground my gears, but they were easy enough to discard after a while as I understand that certain tweaks had to be made to fit the story. The main things that annoyed me weren't "tweaks", but downright BS, such as THAT conversation to get "back into the band" and that they insinuated that Live Aid made zero bucks until Queen hit the stage. That pisses on other artists. Unfortunately, new generations and causal fans will think they now know the story. Far from it. As for the acting, I thought I'd have hated Malek. He was brilliant, as were the others. They could only do their best with the heap-of-shit script they were given. It had its moments - both funny and emotional - but overall I won't want to see it again. The shit outweighs the good points. I've read and taken on board the arguments for and against the movie here, and I've also taken on board the arguments over THAT conversation. Whilst some of it is plausible, I'm not convinced it's anything other than a dig at a dead man. Sure, Freddie might have at some point expressed regret at the Prenter stuff, but we know he didn't cause a two year "break up" of the band. If some of it did happen, they've chosen the wrong way of letting it out. If you know your stuff, you can either forgive and enjoy or get really pissed off. If you're a casual fan, you'll love it. For what it's worth, the first hour is captivating....until the blatant BS. Some of it is just tactless. I wish I had just stuck to my guns and not watched it, tbh. |
| Micrówave 03.11.2018 00:11 |
I loved the movie. I did not go into it looking to fact check or criticize the actors inaccurate portrayal/looks. Get away from all that, and you will enjoy it as well. Yes, I’m the one who said this movie would never happen and no one will want to see it. I couldn’t have been more wrong. |
| YAFFF 03.11.2018 00:13 |
Saw it. I was going to pretend like I didn't see it since I was basically claiming I wouldn't.....and I caved. Let me just say this. If you are a casual movie goer who doesn't have a particularly critical outlook on things you will probably love this movie. It's a crowd pleaser. A by-the-numbers cliche'-ridden glorified music video. I completely understand why this is going to be a huge hit. The public loves this stuff and Singer knew how to deliver it. It's light and sweet like White Zinfidel. If you are a tough critic single malt Scotch drinking snob like me AND you know Queen history there's just no way you'll enjoy it that much. Just no way in my mind anyway. And YES Freddie frggin' came crawling back tail beneath his legs begging. I don't know how anyone else got a different take. I almost heckled the movie screen for that scene. The guy doing Brian May was as perfect as possible. Uncanny. Taylor really takes a backseat to May. He's the impish one who has the least tolerance for Diva Freddie. John is an enigma so it's really hard to judge his portrayel. He was the quietest one and we saw that. Malek was, yeah, slightly better than I expected. It's hard to get over his looks but he was in character. I'm just not sure that character is Freddie Mercury but at least he is not Mr. Robot pretending to be Freddie. He just comes off as a lonely, bratty, selfishly naughty boy who just wanted to be loved. It's the Freddie Mercury the film served up. Yeah some of that is true but Freddie clearly loved gay sex and I doubt it was just him filling a void in his life. PG-13 was a fatal flaw. No I wasn't asking for a lot of sex (I actually hate fictional sex scenes) but this movie just doesn't accurately portray the sheer excess Freddie was up to. For crying out loud how could they not include the "Body Language" video?? The other three's expressions in that video say so much. The bios I've read on Freddie are just so much more entertaining. Granted you can achieve more with a book but I felt condescended to by this limp, sanitized portrayel. There's some funny moments (like Mike Myers) and the music recreations are undeniably spot on. The manipulation of the storyline just doesn't work for someone who's read five books on Freddie Mercury and seen every interview. When you know its a lie it's hard to be moved. I'm talking about HIV diagnosis pre-Live Aid. I didn't care about mustachio Freddie learning WWRY and other timeline fiction. I'm surprised the gay community hasn't piled on about the way Freddie's sexuality was portrayed. Not overtly in a prejudiced light but ultimately an unfavorable one as if what Freddie was doing was clearly wrong. Look, I reckon almost every rockstar went and got as much sex as it was possible to get. Think about it. Freddie was partying and fucking like almost all of them. It's only seen as risky because of a disease no one knew enough about. It's just wrong place wrong time for someone that preferred men at the time Freddie was doing it. Roger a well-known womanizer but it's only tamely hinted at. Brian is an adulterer but it's only Freddie who is chastised by this movie. Take my review with a grain of salt because I am hard to please. I can't help it. It's not a terrible movie. It's far from a great movie. The move does not live up to it's taglines "fearless lives forever" and "The only thing more extraordinary than their music is his story". This is a VERY ORDINARY music biopic. That's what they wanted and they got it and it's a box office smash. That leaves me with one thought. Why did they ever care about critical acclaim (yes it bothered them) when they've always gone so far out of their way to do things that are easy to criticize? |
| Shvili 03.11.2018 00:15 |
Roger has posted some old pics of him and Freddie in Kansington market stall they shared. I've never seen these. Fun :) link |
| Thistle 03.11.2018 00:23 |
Micrówave wrote: I loved the movie. I did not go into it looking to fact check or criticize the actors inaccurate portrayal/looks. Get away from all that, and you will enjoy it as well. Yes, I’m the one who said this movie would never happen and no one will want to see it. I couldn’t have been more wrong.Good to see you're still around :) |
| myprettycabinet 03.11.2018 03:49 |
I can't go through the 15+ pages of comments to see if anyone else feels the way I do – but...I thought Malek was a cold fish. He had none of Freddie's joviality, and I felt you could see him remembering the choreography to match Freddie, instead of playing Freddie. I feel he was really bland. He lacks the frenetic energy of Freddie. And looks TERRIBLE in drag. lol. |
| myprettycabinet 03.11.2018 04:00 |
Also, the guy playing Roger has a pretty deep speaking voice, which we KNOW is wrong, lol. They even have him complaining about singing the high "Galileo"s! It really felt like he was just an actor playing a role. There didn't seem to be much of an attempt to be Roger...which, is very Roger-esque if you think about it. He must have been channeling his spirit. ;D |
| emrabt 03.11.2018 08:46 |
Can't wait for the deleted scene of Paul Prenter laughing manically as he books the sun city dates and Brian tells the band they can't cancel because it's their duty not to let the "mixed race crowd" down. |
| Pingfah 03.11.2018 08:58 |
This thread is funny. Queen fans are bigger bunch of OCD geeks than Star Trek fans, and that is really saying something. I enjoyed the film, Malek was great, but I thought the actor playing Brian put on the most convincing study of their character. He really was just spot on. I did think there seemed to be a little bit of B & R airing their grievances against Freddie, but only at a few moments. Obviously I noticed the shifting around of the timeline, but really who gives a fuck, they were trying to make an entertaining and comical drama, not a historical document. I really enjoyed the overall production, thought Freddie's personal life was dealt with well enough, they didn't shy away from his sexuality at all, making it the main thrust of the plot, but also it was supposed to be a fun and triumphant movie, so I am glad they didn't dwell on what went on in his party years too much. They could have made a really harrowing, brutally honest movie, that would have been a mistake IMO. Loved the in studio segments, and was wowed by the brilliant Live Aid recreation. A solid attempt to bring Freddie to a new generation, which seems to have succeeded as this movie is rocketing to one of the best genre box office performances of all time. |
| dysan 03.11.2018 09:26 |
IMO the timeline changes are hit and miss. FBG worked, I can understand the WWRY change even though setting it then had no real reason, Prenter's entry would've worked later and signalled the start of the Freddie spiral - also allowing them to show the band as a solid unit of pals. As it was, there was no evidence they actually achieved much and then suddenly we have to believe they are big. The pacing was bad and showing them develop could've been better. |
| *goodco* 03.11.2018 16:24 |
Should have used 'Stone Cold Crazy' instead of FBG! Pingfah: yeah, I'm also one of those 'Star Trek' OCD people;-) To a degree. Couple of points: yeah, it would have helped to have brought Prenter in much later. Why not show the band laughing more in the studio, having fun on the road together in hotels or pools or whatever. Save the marked contrast for later. From a comment I made months ago as to the 'stash and WWRY: if you do a Beatle pic, you don't have them with mustaches on 'Ed Sullivan' or full beards during 'Sgt. Pepper'. I'll add on.....imagine making 'Let It Be' (Get Back) as a total joint studio and writing effort after 'Abbey Road', having Brian Epstein die, and then John brings in Phil Spector. We KNOW the history, so why toy with it so much? Now, don't get me started with sports movies and their BS endings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| dysan 03.11.2018 16:48 |
Sports film is a good comparison - film football sequences in films is usually as successful as filming staged live sequences in rock films. |
| Donna13 03.11.2018 17:02 |
It’s funny how the reaction to this movie is similar to the reaction to Queen. Critics are not impressed; people are going wild for it. Ha ha! It’s a hit! |
| bucsateflon 03.11.2018 17:03 |
Things will be better when the Brian May biopic gonna be made, in decade or two... |
| Donovan 03.11.2018 18:07 |
I loved it. Every casual Queen fan I know personally loved it. People that I know who don't like Queen enjoyed it. |
| dysan 03.11.2018 18:14 |
Care to expand? |
| Queenfanrach 03.11.2018 21:01 |
If you didn't know the history of Queen, after watching this film you would go away thinking they hated Freddie and constantly argued However if you ignore the inconsistent partsthen it was mostly enjoyable, i would give it a 7/10 Would prefer a movie going from the beginning of Queen right up to the Made in heaven album but I guess we have to take what we are given |
| Grantcdn1 03.11.2018 21:32 |
Truly I thought I thought the movie was reasonably well done...there were some slow sections and we know the inaccuracies but Hollywood at some point takes over and makes it about core themes rather than an accurate factual account. Obviously an average of 8.4 stars out of 10 based on the 43 million or more that watched it feel it was a worthy night out. I also understand the critics and media types with their agendas....remember critics never liked Queen until Adam Lambert of all people. In some ways I am suprised by the reaction on here. ok maybe not. The themes they got right were: First and foremost Freddie was an amazing performer, singer and songwriter - that is his legacy! Freddie was part of a talented band, not just a artist with some hired musicians Freddie was far more complex than a one dimensional promiscuous gay guy which includes his love for Mary He had different ancestry and more obstacles to overcome He did have bad influences which affected his relationship with the band and Hollywood needed a villaneous storyline I think Hollywood, Brian. Roger and Jim Beach did well to convey a story while preserving and respecting his legacy. I’d say they know him better than anyone on this forum and have the utmost respect for him. Making it like a tabloid of sex and drugs would just take away from him and I know some social interest groups may be disappointed that he is portrayed somewhat as bisexual - those are his words...and to take Mary out of his story would be totally in accurate as she was there for him from the beginning to the end Btw I think him coming back to the band in that way is pure Hollywood fiction...having said that they all probably had to apologise to each other at some point |
| Grantcdn1 03.11.2018 22:05 |
Having said all that...there were parts I wish were included but you can only do so much in 2 hour plus....I could only wish for a Bohemian 2 Trying to get a record deal in the beginning and recording in the middle of the night The first management company that they went to war with The session with the sex pistols Crazy Little Thing Michael Jackson’s influence on Another One Bites the Dust release The Saturday Night Live session Freddie’s fight before it That they were the biggest band in the world in 1980 but then Freddie wanted to do dance music The Sun City Issue Note: Freddie comes across strong willed early ie A Night At The Opera but less so later on until Live Aid |
| mike hunt 04.11.2018 01:14 |
All my tough talk about not seeing this mess of a movie...I caved In on the first day...My Impression of the movie...My dislikes are The Brian ego, looking in the screen saying "I wrote That" some of that wasn't necessary, Freddie wrote Bo Rhap...Let It go Brian...Brian's facial expressions during live Aid was silly, like he never seen a great performance from Freddie before that...Disrespecting Deacy? "you could have the basement John" Inaccurate as hell, but we all knew that already...Telling the band he had Aids felt rushed and half assed....Missed some great songs like Stone Cold, and Tie Your Mother Down... The Good points...The casting was spot on, what Malek lacked In appearance/fake look he made up for In acting, and he Got freddie's mannerisms and voice down...Song selection, Some songs that missed America like Love Of My Life and Don't Stop me Now got exposure...The Show Must Go on.The Freddie/Mary relationship was developed nicely...They didn't resent or blame Freddie for losing America like I heard, pointing out It was Roger's idea to dress In drag for Break Free and John wrote the song. Didn't shy away from his partying ways and sexuality... Even with all the negatives I mentioned I'll still give it a 7 out of 10...I also like the fact Jim Hutton wasn't disrespected. |
| Thistle 04.11.2018 01:46 |
^ Yes, the film has a hell of a lot of positives (many good moments, funny parts, emotional bits....and great music!!) and each member was apportioned blame for certain failings, but I feel the bad points outweigh all the positives. If that begging scene hadn't been there, I wouldn't be so pissed off - that's my main gripe. The "tweaks" can be discarded as artistic license and can be gotten used to. The begging scene is unforgivable. |
| mike hunt 04.11.2018 02:20 |
ok, the begging scene I didn't mention...Of course that's a big dislike but I don't feel it was overblown as much As I heard. The point they " The (Brian ego) was making is that Freddie needed them, and Freddie made his point that they needed him. They needed each other. I did say the Brian ego was one of my dislikes of this movie..That's obvious and years from now Malek will come out and say Brian was a difficult man to work with. At the end of the day the general public won't remember the begging scene and the Brian ego anyway...People like the movie for the music and The Freddie/Mary relationship, which was touching... |
| Day dop 04.11.2018 03:38 |
‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ Sends Thunderbolts And Lightning Through B.O. As Freddie Mercury Biopic Nears $50M Opening link |
| Day dop 04.11.2018 03:43 |
The audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is 94%. Word of mouth is very positive about this movie, unlike what the critics are saying. |
| Donna13 04.11.2018 03:43 |
If there is a flaw in this movie, it is that the full intelligence, wit, and talent of the other band members is not part of the plot! Where is the mention of Roger’s singing talent or that Brian built his own guitar? Where is Roger’s mother, Brian’s father, Brian’s illness and hospitalization while Freddie wrote Killer Queen? Where is Roger’s introduction to Brian? Where is Roger’s stall with Brian? They were short changed for all eternity by this movie. It’s about Freddie and they worked a long time to get it right, not to put themselves forward as the center of attention. It is a love letter to Freddie, their dear friend and “brother”. I feel sorry for people who can’t understand that. |
| Donna13 04.11.2018 03:46 |
“Stall with Freddie.” Sorry. Typing too fast. |
| Donna13 04.11.2018 03:49 |
Maybe it should have been a bit longer to fit in the backgrounds and more dialog. |
| mike hunt 04.11.2018 04:15 |
Good points Donna....Day dop, I'm personally surprised how good It's doing In America. My prediction was 25 million total...looks like they're gonna surpass that In one weekend. And yes, everyone I talked with in person loved the movie. |
| bucsateflon 04.11.2018 08:29 |
Donna13 wrote: If there is a flaw in this movie, it is that the full intelligence, wit, and talent of the other band members is not part of the plot! Where is the mention of Roger’s singing talent or that Brian built his own guitar? Where is Roger’s mother, Brian’s father, Brian’s illness and hospitalization while Freddie wrote Killer Queen? Where is Roger’s introduction to Brian? Where is Roger’s stall with Brian? They were short changed for all eternity by this movie. It’s about Freddie and they worked a long time to get it right, not to put themselves forward as the center of attention. It is a love letter to Freddie, their dear friend and “brother”. I feel sorry for people who can’t understand that.these "people" are Freddie fanboys and they are hopeless when it comes to objectivity and reason. |
| runner_70 04.11.2018 10:50 |
bucsateflon wrote:Hm a love letter to Freddie where he is shown as unreliable drugge begging for his job? And it is news to me that BoRHap was partly written by Brian. Well there you go. It is a film for Freddie haters and Brian Fanboys.Donna13 wrote: If there is a flaw in this movie, it is that the full intelligence, wit, and talent of the other band members is not part of the plot! Where is the mention of Roger’s singing talent or that Brian built his own guitar? Where is Roger’s mother, Brian’s father, Brian’s illness and hospitalization while Freddie wrote Killer Queen? Where is Roger’s introduction to Brian? Where is Roger’s stall with Brian? They were short changed for all eternity by this movie. It’s about Freddie and they worked a long time to get it right, not to put themselves forward as the center of attention. It is a love letter to Freddie, their dear friend and “brother”. I feel sorry for people who can’t understand that.these "people" are Freddie fanboys and they are hopeless when it comes to objectivity and reason. |
| rockchic65 04.11.2018 11:34 |
Donna13 wrote: If there is a flaw in this movie, it is that the full intelligence, wit, and talent of the other band members is not part of the plot! Where is the mention of Roger’s singing talent or that Brian built his own guitar? Where is Roger’s mother, Brian’s father, Brian’s illness and hospitalization while Freddie wrote Killer Queen? Where is Roger’s introduction to Brian? Where is Roger’s stall with Brian? They were short changed for all eternity by this movie. It’s about Freddie and they worked a long time to get it right, not to put themselves forward as the center of attention. It is a love letter to Freddie, their dear friend and “brother”. I feel sorry for people who can’t understand that.Brian actually said it was about Freddie when asked about the movie at the Vegas press conference. He said "of course we're portrayed in it but it's about Freddie", so I'd agree with that. |
| bucsateflon 04.11.2018 11:39 |
BM character has less screen time than Prenter's |
| bucsateflon 04.11.2018 11:43 |
runner_70 wrote: And it is news to me that BoRHap was partly written by Brian.what do you mean? |
| mike hunt 04.11.2018 13:40 |
what's a Freddie fan boy? you mean a Freddie Mercury fan on a Queen site? why is that shocking? That's a dumb comment...especially that Brian May has apologists on this site that stick up for every move he makes no matter how bad his decision's are. How is that different? It's a Queen website for gods sake. Donna is right, Brian and Roger should be shown more and how talented and Influencial they were...I don't like the Freddie only crowd either. |
| YAFFF 04.11.2018 14:15 |
mike hunt wrote: what's a Freddie fan boy? you mean a Freddie Mercury fan on a Queen site? why is that shocking? That's a dumb comment...especially that Brian May has apologists on this site that stick up for every move he makes no matter how bad his decision's are. How is that different? It's a Queen website for gods sake. Donna is right, Brian and Roger should be shown more and how talented and Influencial they were...I don't like the Freddie only crowd either.I don't think there really is a "Freddie only crowd". Maybe some. Maybe nowadays. I dunno. I do think it seems that way when we are forced to defend Freddie against the abject stupidity and condescending comments Brian (and Roger to a lesser extant) has made especially in the past 14 years. And that Brian used this film to enlarge himself and put Freddie in his place a bit. To say otherwise is cognitive dissonance. Most people do not possess critical thinking skills and this film just highlights that. Critical thinkers will enjoy this film far less than passive thinkers. Brian and Roger make people Freddie only or Freddie and John only fans by their dishonest rhetoric. Yes Freddie is my favorite Queenie but I love the music all four made. That said one thing's still true. When I look and I find that there is no Queen without Freddie. |
| runner_70 04.11.2018 15:16 |
bucsateflon wrote:Did you watch the movie????runner_70 wrote: And it is news to me that BoRHap was partly written by Brian.what do you mean? Dialogue in the studio while recording BoRHap Freddie: Brian when you play the solo play it as if you would have written it Brian: I have written the solo Yes Brian we get it - you are the musical Genius of Queen. Freddie only wrote the Galileos if at all. YOu are the leader of Queen!! Irony mode off! Brian clearly has an ego problem and it shows in the movie. I bet he jerks off to the scene where Freddie is begging him to get back into Queen saying !"Yes it was EXACTLY like this" ;) |
| runner_70 04.11.2018 15:17 |
YAFFF wrote:A M E Nmike hunt wrote: what's a Freddie fan boy? you mean a Freddie Mercury fan on a Queen site? why is that shocking? That's a dumb comment...especially that Brian May has apologists on this site that stick up for every move he makes no matter how bad his decision's are. How is that different? It's a Queen website for gods sake. Donna is right, Brian and Roger should be shown more and how talented and Influencial they were...I don't like the Freddie only crowd either.I don't think there really is a "Freddie only crowd". Maybe some. Maybe nowadays. I dunno. I do think it seems that way when we are forced to defend Freddie against the abject stupidity and condescending comments Brian (and Roger to a lesser extant) has made especially in the past 14 years. And that Brian used this film to enlarge himself and put Freddie in his place a bit. To say otherwise is cognitive dissonance. Most people do not possess critical thinking skills and this film just highlights that. Critical thinkers will enjoy this film far less than passive thinkers. Brian and Roger make people Freddie only or Freddie and John only fans by their dishonest rhetoric. Yes Freddie is my favorite Queenie but I love the music all four made. That said one thing's still true. When I look and I find that there is no Queen without Freddie. |
| Wiley 04.11.2018 15:44 |
I did feel, at times, it was Brian's words coming out of Freddie's mouth in the movie but most of these instances worked in Freddie and the movie's benefit, in my opinion. No-one leaves the movie theater thinking Brian was the genius or the brain behind Queen. The general public leaves the movie thinking Queen were/are great and Freddie was human. A genius, but a human, able to fail and make mistakes. That's good for storytelling. Oh, and Brian DID WRITE BoRhap's guitar solo. I happened to love that particular scene and studio banter. How Freddie is obviously messing with Brian, they have that back and forth and Bri says "I love you, Fred". Everybody around me smiled at that seemingly candid moment. Only a die hard Queen fan would think that's Brian May propaganda |
| Wiley 04.11.2018 15:52 |
The only similar scene that felt a bit off was when Freddie "breaks up the band" and they fail to acknowledge the other members having had solo material before. Doing a solo album doesn't mean breaking up the band. However, hindsight is always 20/20. There could be a valid point in thinking that Freddie was the only one likely to make it big by going solo. Had Mr. Bad Guy been a smash hit, Freddie may have started to get solo commitments gradually -maybe doing a few solo gigs- and the band may have had to go on hiatus. I seem to recall reading Brian said that was his favorite scene. I'm not surprised. If I ignore the fact that the others had had solo material out then it is a very dramatic moment. Freddie acknowledging that it's only a temporary thing, that it doesn't mean Queen will end, etc. And it's well acted, IMO. |
| Jasonite 04.11.2018 16:26 |
Saw the movie last night. I was fairly worried going into it. I came out feeling good. There are some historical inaccuracies, but I knew that going in (Freddie with a mustache while Brian first talks about WWRY, c'mon!). Overall I did enjoy it, and while no movie could include all of the Queen songs I wanted, this really hit most of them. I think Rami did a good job overall. The only thing I flat out hated was the nonsense about the band essentially breaking up and Freddie having to beg to come back. It's a typical movie trope which has nothing to do with reality and I wish they hadn't included it. Queen never broke up, and they never stopped doing live concerts until after '86. Still, I came away feeling good from the movie. I have a lot of other nitpicks, and I don't think the film really captured Freddie's greatness or the complexity of Queen, but I think you'd have to get one of the best screenwriters and one of the best directors in the world in order to come close to that. If done exactly right a movie about Freddie and Queen would be nominated for Oscars. This isn't that movie, but it's good enough for me. I did enjoy quite a bit of it, and that's about all I wanted going in. I thought Mike Myers was a pleasant surprise, and I liked how they portrayed Live Aid. |
| dysan 04.11.2018 16:29 |
They made the recording of Mr Bad Guy looks really bad. The abysmal music (what WAS that??), keytar and the Hoxton version of what a naff 80s band would look like. |
| RobbyBloodshed 04.11.2018 16:51 |
I saw this on November 1st, I tried to let my brain digest it before giving any review. I’ll start off saying Rami Malek did an incredible job, IMHO. Aside from his acting, the musical scenes were the highlight of the film. I absolutely love the portrayal of Freddie’s early life and the innocence that went with it. Even if it is slightly fictitious for entertainment sake, the meeting of Smile and spontaneously “Doing All Right” was incredible. Also the scenes with Mary were wonderful. The musical scenes I found most amazing were the Smile gig, Live Aid, and the recording/writing of BoRhap...... ......What I got annoyed with was the 80s portrayal of Freddie. When they had a huge fight and he belittled John along with Brian/Roger, I felt that was not true. I know, I was not there, but still. I truly don’t believe he would have talked to John Deacon that way. It was too cruel and I don’t think John/Fred had THAT much animosity towards eachother. Another thing I was annoyed with, they made Roger and Bri so upset with Freddie over doing Mr Bad Guy. Those guys already put out solo album’s of their own; so how would that even make sense to make a big fuss over it? Just seemed odd. I know this is not a documentary, but a film for entertainment, that’s why I could forgive some of the timeline with songs being messed up, but to totally change someone’s whole character for years is wrong. They made Freddie in the Munich era seem like a tweaked out druggie. We know most the band liked to party back then, but everyone involved with them have said it was more recreational rather than an addiction, which I believe. Sorry for my long rant, just felt if there was a place to post it, it’d be here. |
| mike hunt 04.11.2018 17:03 |
you have good points...I'll only add Freddie was out of control at certain points In his life, from 1977 to 1985/early 86, That part was true...I agree with You're Deacon point though. |
| catqueen 04.11.2018 17:32 |
I loved it! Yes its not terribly accurate but i felt like i got a glimpse of them! My main issue was with the solo/break up/begging bit but no way to say what happened i guess. I also thought they over sanitised it and that lost some of the outrageousness of queen. But i still loved it! |
| catqueen 04.11.2018 17:38 |
Incidentally, for people who say it was brians ego and brian portraying himself as the main man, i asked my husband who likes queen but isnt a major fan and he didnt get the impression that brian was more important or a leader of it. |
| cmsdrums 04.11.2018 19:21 |
Whilst there was a caption at the end to say that Freddie died in 1991, I’d have expected an elongated summary of the post 1985 period covered in the film, along the lines of: ‘In the six years after Live Aid, Queen released three hugely successful albums, and in 1986 carried out their largest ever European tour. Following Freddie’s death, in April 1992 the remaining members of Queen hosted a star studded concert at Wembley Stadium in his honour, forming the Mercury Phoenix Trust to raise awareness and funding for AIDS research. Queen released their final album, ‘Made In Heaven’, containing vocals Freddie recorded shortly before his death, in November 1995.’ |
| bucsateflon 04.11.2018 19:29 |
Are there any of you who think Freddie created/wrote the guitar solo in Boh Rhap? |
| k-m 04.11.2018 20:13 |
Just got back from the cinema and I have an impression this movie really tried to change the facts significantly. When Mary shows up in Munich... I thought it was Freddie who showed up at Barbara Valentin's door like that one day? Roger comes across mostly as an idiot and I did not like the whole moralizing business. Also, the film made Freddie look like a young, lost and very delicate soul indeed, while he was clearly much more complex and manly than this. All these scenes when he's home alone, as opposed to living with Jim & Co or Barbara in Munich... They also completely omitted Winnie Kirchberger who seemed like quite an important figure and we could have learned much more about Freddie just by seeing a true glimpse of Winnie. So, on the whole drama / psychology level I give it 1 out of 5. Not sure how to sum up the whole movie itself, because it is quite an entertaining piece and certainly comes to life with concert performances, but I felt the script liberties went too far. Live Aid sequence very well done indeed, but then again, everything before Queen went on stage suggests a complete flop! |
| mike hunt 04.11.2018 20:22 |
Flop? It's a big hit already. Far from a flop. we're more critical as die hards. Most average people like the movie. End of story. |
| mike hunt 04.11.2018 20:23 |
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| mike hunt 04.11.2018 20:28 |
k-m wrote: Just got back from the cinema and I have an impression this movie really tried to change the facts significantly. When Mary shows up in Munich... I thought it was Freddie who showed up at Barbara Valentin's door like that one day? Roger comes across mostly as an idiot and I did not like the whole moralizing business. Also, the film made Freddie look like a young, lost and very delicate soul indeed, while he was clearly much more complex and manly than this. All these scenes when he's home alone, as opposed to living with Jim & Co or Barbara in Munich... They also completely omitted Winnie Kirchberger who seemed like quite an important figure and we could have learned much more about Freddie just by seeing a true glimpse of Winnie. So, on the whole drama / psychology level I give it 1 out of 5. Not sure how to sum up the whole movie itself, because it is quite an entertaining piece and certainly comes to life with concert performances, but I felt the script liberties went too far. Live Aid sequence very well done indeed, but then again, everything before Queen went on stage suggests a complete flop!I know what you're saying...I wonder if this movie makes enough money if they would consider Bohemian Rhapsody part 2, the final years...I'm serious, It might take 10 years to make but I could see it. |
| k-m 04.11.2018 20:52 |
mike hunt wrote: Flop? It's a big hit already. Far from a flop. we're more critical as die hards. Most average people like the movie. End of story.I was referring to the film depiction of Live Aid. I know BR is doing well in the box office, but the fact average moviegoers seem to like it doesn't matter much to me. Many people like Star Wars too, but it's still not my cup of tea (no offence, Star Wars fans). And while Star Wars is complete fiction, BR wasn't supposed to be... |
| mike hunt 04.11.2018 21:10 |
If you're looking for a accuracy your 1 out of 5 stars Is on point..Can't disagree with that, but It's not a fictional movie...most of the things Were real, like paul Prenter and Hutton, Mary. Just the timelines were a mess. Fat Bottom Girls In In 1974? Also, what was fiction was the fact that Freddie was the only difficult one In the band...Even Brian admitted he's difficult to work with...He's looking like the most Innocent person In this movie. But whatever, It's a hit and keeping the music alive...Queen havn't been this big In America since Waynes World...I don't like star wars either. I'm with you and Fred on that one... |
| dysan 04.11.2018 21:19 |
I don't know about BR2 - but every successful film gets a reboot 10 years later. Watch this space. |
| Shvili 04.11.2018 22:11 |
I saw the film for the second time and my first impression has not changed for better. I still don't like it. Main problems I see are weak screenplay and very average acting at best, from the lead character. The screenplay didn't give me a sense of cohesiveness. It felt like bits and peaces of information where cobbled together just in time to push the product out the door for mass consumption. In any good book or a movie you get a sense of natural flow, transition, a focal point..well i didn't find it in this movie. Freddie's family and Jim Hutton stick out as a sore thumb. I would completely eliminate these two and especially their meeting from the film. Good writer could have found a better way to tell the audience about Freddie's background. Family part is not that bad but Jim's topic is a disaster. Bottom pinching, phone book search,settling down with him after Freddie found out about his disease..speaking of disease, what was that Yee Roo thing in doctor's office between Freddie and other patient?! made me nauseous. As for Rami's acting, only time he seemed somewhat tolerable as Freddie is when he wore dark sunglasses and didn't speak. I'm sorry but he just looked weird to me with his pronounced eyeballs and bugs bunny teeth. I am not impressed with concert reenactment parts because i have seen a real thing.I'd say concert reenactments were ok with exception of RIO in 70's lol, when they do a closeup on Rami's face and his supposed astonishment that Brazilians can sing love of my life. That's that. I liked cats and Lucy as Mary. |
| Donna13 04.11.2018 23:03 |
So, apparently there were issues with the director, and everyone had to carry on not knowing the outcome. Maybe there was a certain amount of difficulty prior to the director going AWOL. I think Rami had done so much research and preparation and also with the guidance of Roger, Brian and Peter Freestone, Rami pretty much could direct himself and others. I think his fellow actors and Brian and Roger are singing his praises for qualities other than just his acting skills. Anyhoo, I realize that Rami has a slower speaking style than Freddie, that his eyes are blue instead of brown, he was shorter than Freddie and he is naturally flirtatious, whereas Freddie was shy. So, it was great to sort of see Rami mixed with Freddie. It was fun. I really feel sorry for anyone who cannot relax enough to realize this is not a documentary, and (as far as we know) Freddie has not been cloned, so there is no chance of finding a perfect substitute. I also feel sorry for people who are looking for hatred and jealousy, not realizing that it is their own bias and life experiences that might be coloring their outlook. Brian loved Freddie. He visited him when he was dying. A lot of people avoid that situation even with their own family members. Roger loved Freddie. He was heartbroken to lose his “best friend”. Did they have fights? Yes. Roger and Brian admit to it. They had creative differences, arguments, walk outs, but like a true family, they stayed together. All this talk here of egos and jealousy is disappointing (but I’m used to it - ha) given the huge talent of all the members of Queen. As if they don’t have other objectives! |
| Donna13 04.11.2018 23:16 |
Oh, also, BR 2 would be great, but they would have to get on it right away. |
| MisterCosmicc 04.11.2018 23:17 |
Why do you keep writing that Malek is so much shorter than Freddie, Donna? |
| philip storey 04.11.2018 23:51 |
Anyway good to see that it was a smash hit at the Box Office both here at the US. |
| Donna13 04.11.2018 23:53 |
That was the first time I mentioned it. Maybe you are confusing me with another person. |
| Donna13 04.11.2018 23:58 |
Yes, it seems to be doing really well. My brother and his wife tried to see it in an IMAX theater yesterday (Virginia, USA) but it was sold out so they had to see it in a normal theater. |
| YAFFF 05.11.2018 00:21 |
The more I recall the experience the more annoyed I get. At best one can say it's "loosely based on a true story". There's so many "gimmie a fucking break" moments it felt like a parody to me. It's a bad movie that is still somewhat entertaining. Had I not known of the problems beforehand and just showed up I would've walked out within the first half hour. Almost all the dialogue is poor to the point of unintentionally hilarious. The ending saves the movie from being a complete utter disaster. Rami was not the Freddie of history. You know what. Fuck this movie and fuck Brian and Roger. I deeply regret buying a ticket. |
| Donna13 05.11.2018 00:44 |
Lots of people are seeing it more than one time, or planning to see it again, (based on Twitter comments I’ve read). I think I’ll see it again this week. Or maybe twice again this week! |
| Donna13 05.11.2018 00:54 |
The dialogue didn’t really capture their personalities. Any interview they have given is more witty and entertaining. I was concerned about Roger coming off as kind of simple (in the movie). One thing, though, is that non-fans seeing this movie will likely be curious enough to look up interviews, and other sources of information about Queen: real concerts, books, documentaries ... |
| matt z 05.11.2018 02:17 |
Saw it today matinee in IMAX... $13.79 I thought it was intriguing when it started but then realized it was all pretty amateurish. The dialogue bordering on pure exposition was pretty fucking ridiculous at times. When it ended I was overwhelmed with a feeling of underwhelmingness: "This was it? ....they really made that????" Granted it wasn't horrible. .. but it failed to deliver ANY THING dramatic save for the early scene with Freddie and Mary discussing his sexuality. THAT was a worthy scene in the film and it had me pretty well feeling uncomfortable like i was witnessing a bad ugly deep love breakup of sorts. But after that only Mike Myers seems to have delivered anything feeling charismatic. If anything it was severely underwhelming and unconvincing of their sheer MAGNITUDE and BOMBAST. ..it never lived up to their stage biggness. However hearing BoRhap stretched apart for so many minutes really gave it a good reflective pace. Jim getting tossed into the mix could've been something but it was all fabrication and Jim had met him under different circumstances. That press conference thing was weird exposition again and didn't feel right but at least it was SOMETHING dramatic. Didn't dig the Freddie slapping his ass bit with the cheesy wannabe 70's graphics. Wish they'd showed Freddie alive from "Kampuchea" one of those 1979 gigs for the ending instead so you saw the man do his thing in real live. Very strange film. I've learned not to expect anything good from FOX... they've tanked everything from marvel after all.. Bryan Singers alma mater |
| blueroom 05.11.2018 03:18 |
Deeply regretting my ticket purchase. As if we needed a movie to explain to us all the things we already know... that gets half the facts wrong. Brian's ego is painfully obvious through the script. Roger comes off as an arse. John is made to seem like an absolute nobody. Freddie is disrespected by implying he "begged" the band to take him back after the "failure" that was Mr Bad Guy. Definitely won't be seeing this again. I actually deleted my copy of the film's soundtrack after seeing it. If they had put a fraction of the money they put behind this into making the anthology we would all be happy. |
| Saint Jiub 05.11.2018 03:38 |
blueroom wrote: Brian's ego is painfully obvious through the script. Roger comes off as an arse. John is made to seem like an absolute nobody. Freddie is disrespected by implying he "begged" the band to take him back after the "failure" that was Mr Bad Guy.I have seen a lot of reviews on QZ with this theme. I would have liked to have seen this movie, but it seems it is not worth the aggravation. |
| Shvili 05.11.2018 03:59 |
Until this time, i admired the band which was known around the world, yet was never mainstream. Now, after this crap movie is braking movie viewing charts all has changed. You can stick the spice girls version of Queen up your ass. Thank you for all the great music and joy you've brought us, but i for one am out. Enjoy few extra millions Brain and Roger. |
| MisterCosmicc 05.11.2018 04:18 |
John Deacon's son loves the film. |
| mike hunt 05.11.2018 04:21 |
Truly amazing how Facebook everyone loves the movie, I come on Queenzone 95% Of fans hate it...By the way, I was the first too mention how this movie disrespects John...nice seeing others noticed that as well...Freddie and John were pretty close, Freddie taking him under his wing, but you would never know that after watching this film. John gets the basement. Still, some good bits in this movie If you don't take It so seriously. |
| mike hunt 05.11.2018 04:22 |
MisterCosmicc wrote: John Deacon's son loves the film.why do you say that? |
| MisterCosmicc 05.11.2018 04:25 |
He posted it on his Facebook a couple days ago. |
| MisterCosmicc 05.11.2018 04:26 |
The misinformation is spreading already due to the movie. Now people assume Freddie didn't know Roger and Brian until after Tim quit the band. link |
| waunakonor 05.11.2018 04:45 |
"One night in the early 1970s he stumbled into a conversation with the members of the unknown rock band Queen just after their lead singer left the group." Jesus Christ. Freddie is the one who came up with the damn name! Also, that article makes it sound like they made Bohemian Rhapsody immediately after their first album. Oh, and it also claims that Freddie married Mary Austin. "Singer also gets fine performances from Lucy Boynton as Freddie’s wife Mary, Allen Leech as male lover Paul and Gwilym Lee, Ben Hardy and Joe Mazzello as Queen’s other band members." Queen's other band members have names, you know. Boy, what an awful article. Just dreadful. |
| waunakonor 05.11.2018 04:47 |
Oh, jeez, and also Paul wasn't Freddie's lover. Missed that one. What a load of crap. "Bruce Chadwick lectures on history and film at Rutgers University in New Jersey. He also teaches writing at New Jersey City University. He holds his PhD from Rutgers and was a former editor for the New York Daily News." What in the everloving fuck? Is this a joke? There's no way that article was written by someone with those credentials. It reads like a fourth grader's book report. What is going on here? |
| MisterCosmicc 05.11.2018 04:58 |
It's common in many articles right now. |
| mike hunt 05.11.2018 05:08 |
people relax...It's only a bloody movie! Didn't know John's son was on Facebook. |
| Saint Jiub 05.11.2018 05:08 |
"He falls in love with a young woman and marries her. He is then attracted to men, lots of them. It breaks up the marriage. He can’t let his wife go, though, and has her move into a mansion next door to his mansion. One of his male lovers moves in with him and ruins his career by keeping him way from his friends and getting him to leave the band." "The movie is a primer in music history of the ‘70s and ‘80s. You learn a great deal about how the music business worked then. I loved the story of the secret deal in which an American music company stole Freddie away from the band." East coast American journalism at its finest ... |
| matt z 05.11.2018 05:19 |
The audience i saw it with laughed a lot. I had intended on taping the entire thing to figure out my take on the Freddie versus Marc Martel thing. (*it's clearly Marc in damn near everything except the bbc stuff and the obvious). There's one where Freddie's voice is spliced in as a double mix until a bit later. I forget which live song it was. It was mixed badly though and sounded crappy for that splice. I don't think my recorder caught it. The fabrication of non TRIDENT recording sessions on down time was a huge disservice to their credit and character. It never seemed like QUEEN of the film ever got and CLIMBING going on and very much of their performance was downplayed. (Maybe for the better. Some of their moves were terrible) I never thought it came off as anti Homo. .. it is just that very many of the rifts and troubles the band THOSE GUYS THAT BARELY GET TIME were never mentioned they were largely omitted and it seemed like this makes the others character better ... i disagree i just think it was a poorly written script They were all admittedly fucked up in Munich. The script is bad and avoids the band's pitfall for a cheap substitute |
| ggo1 05.11.2018 06:11 |
This forum has so much hate for what is supposed to be our favourite band. (Or one of... for the pedants). It's a good job there was no internet when Hot Space came out. Seriously some people need to take a chill pill. To misquote Freddie... It's only a bloody movie. Queen are going to sell a shitload more albums, downloads or whatever the kids are doing these days because of this film. And that's a good thing. Some people will join this forum because they enjoyed the movie and want to find out more... I pity those poor bastards.. they're really gonna suffer on here. |
| MisterCosmicc 05.11.2018 06:32 |
I love Hot Space more than any album Queen did in the 70’s. |
| Wiley 05.11.2018 06:34 |
dysan wrote: They made the recording of Mr Bad Guy looks really bad. The abysmal music (what WAS that??), keytar and the Hoxton version of what a naff 80s band would look like.That abysmal music was an outtake of Mr. Bad Guy (the song). The orchestra part, if I remember correctly. |
| Donna13 05.11.2018 07:07 |
So, I am wondering, were all the instruments replicas? Were all the costumes replicas? Did anything original appear (such as the real Red Special or real locations/costumes/pieces of paper with lyrics, set lists, etc.)? I’m certain some of the eagle eyed experts here would know, or maybe someone has heard this answered elsewhere. |
| Donna13 05.11.2018 07:23 |
OK, there were prop Red Specials used - I just was reading about. Silly question on my part, because of change in appearance of the Red Special at different times. |
| bucsateflon 05.11.2018 08:28 |
The rest of the band had such a minimal screen time its ridiculous, their characters had no development at all no story behind them, all to make more space for Freddie's drama. I think BM and RT showed a large dose of altruism. The scene in the limo where Freddie says he is not betraying his "family" and throws out manager Reid, that was a load of rubbish invented just to make Freddie look good. But if you are a Freddie fanboy you miss these kind of details... |
| oligneisti 05.11.2018 08:58 |
Saw it yesterday. If I were to venture a guess as to who shaped the story I would point to Jim Beach rather than Brian. He looks so nice and honorable and is even given the Trip Khalaf role at Live Aid. What I did miss were Freddie's friends from the party-era. No-one gets a mention as if he had no real friends there. Not even a Phoebe scene. Just Paul fucking Prenter. But, its a crowd pleaser. Packed house is if it were a superhero movie. Nice to see the young people. I am hoping they get the same revaluation that many of us had at their age and understand the fact that this band made all those great songs. |
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| A05 05.11.2018 10:57 |
Hi to all, I hope I do not break any rules by joining the discussion right on. I am a newbie here, but I'm a hardcore Queen fan from Russia for more than 20 years (since my teens). I've read all books available, seen plenty of interviews, watched all the documentary and concert footage I could grab my hands on and all my friends are Queen fans. I can say that Queen shaped my life the way it is. I am not a Freddie fangirl. I've always argued with people who take Queen superficially telling them that they should listen to Back to the light or Happiness. Actually my favourite one is John Deacon. I am certainly NOT ANTI-MAYLOR (I've read the thread from the start). I love WWRY, I've been to Queen + Paul Rodgers and I used to have huge respect for what they do with Queen legacy. Until two days ago at the Bo Phap opening night in my town in Russia. So... my hopes were high for the movie. I watched it in English so I was getting ready to take in the great Queen spirit once again. Then I started noticing mistakes in timing... Fat Bottomed Girls in 1976? Ok... Where are Sheffield brothers and a wonderful story of Death on two legs? Ok then... WWRY in 1980? What are they leading to? Jim Beach leaving because of Mr Bad Guy in early 1980s (not in 1978)? Paul Prenter selling Freddie to a press in 1985 (it was 187 in real life). Freddie telling about AIDS to other band members in 1985? Nonsense... Jim Beach said that he was the first to know in 1989-90 and had to keep it secret before Freddie told the others. When the movie got to an apologizing before Live Aid scene, I was feeling betrayed. I could not take it in at once, I couldn't imagine that Brian and Roger being the producers of the film should be so shallow to show Freddie like that. I thought it humiliating. Why won't they apologize for that "We got you out of Heathrow airport?" Why their private life is not discussed or frowned upon in the movie? Why all the lines in the movie lead to a humiliated (not humble) lost embarassed Freddie with AIDS who is asking to join the band? Ok, I was hoping that this is not a climax of the movie. Then Live Aid sequence was re-produced. Personally I saw no point in that. Some things were added in fact, it is not reproduced immaculately. A kiss to a mom and Freddie playing with a camera man - this isn't in the actual footage. We can always watch Live Aid. Why wasting screen time? And then the movie ends. Like nothing happened to Freddie ever since. No Barcelona album, no Innuendo or The Show Must Go On. Not the struggle to sing on the last albums. When I left the cinema, I was crying. Not because of sadness or joy. My feeling was for Freddie and "Why they did it to him???" He cannot retort with one of his witty remarks. Personally I think they are tryng to re-write Queen history and it is really awful that they do it now. Even if this conversation DID happen, it should better be left where it is. Freddie did not let out any personal details about the band inner deals and conversations and doing it with him now feels like a blow in the back. And if it is fiction and "artistic licence", this is a crime. Just needed to let it out hoping somebody feels the same. Thank you for all your thoughts on the movie and for this forum. |
| oligneisti 05.11.2018 11:09 |
A05 wrote: ... and Freddie playing with a camera man - this isn't in the actual footage.Actually a fact. Just watch it again. link |
| A05 05.11.2018 11:31 |
>Actually a fact. Just watch it again. >link I watched it yesterday. Just to make sure. In the actual Live Aid Freddie circled around the camera man because he was stuck in a cable. A technician helped him. He winked at the camera man and AFTER the end of Hammer to fall he came up to the technician an half-hugged him as a thank you (or apology). In the movie "Freddie" is pinching the cameraman's ass. I have nothing against it, but I think it makes a difference. And the message is different ("look at me I can pinch asses and the whole world will see"). I think real Freddie on stage was more discreet and respectful towards others. |
| Vali 05.11.2018 11:55 |
Well, watched it last saturday. I won't say I hated it, but almost. I understand there's a lot of people loving the film. It's been written & shot to be loved mainly by that average public who likes Queen and Freddie but don't know their story in detail as most of us here do. What did I like the most? the production design (except Roger's never-changing hairstyle) and, yeah, Rami Malek. The guy delivers a good job portraying Freddie, despite not looking like him, despite those giant eyes (Freddie had a special intensity in his eyes and the way he looked at people), but overall he does a good job. I also loved the initial scene: Freddie dressing in his bedroom, getting to Wembley, walking on stage... it gave me chills, really. But then the story began and it got worse and worse. What I hated the most: every single historical innacuracy (or made up facts). There are so many throughout the movie that it is painful to list them all. But of all those, the scene where Freddie announces he goes solo and "breaks the family" was the point when I thought it was enough. (hey Mr. Starfleet, hey Mr. Fun In a Strange Frontier, let me show you my middle finger. Hope you enjoy it.) They've made Freddie look like a total ass with zero personality. His musical talent is never highlighted in the movie. Never. What a wasted opportunity. And then we have Mother Brian May, who's portrayed always like a Saint, when we all know he was not precisely the easiest-going Queen member in the studio. Not even a mention of Montreaux was sad, too. A major let down. When I compare this to other celebrated musical biopics, I see Bohemian Rhapsody as a superficial "based on true facts" sunday afternoon TV film. And I'm very curious to watch the upcoming Elton John movie. I suspect it will be far superior than this Mr. May & Taylor's tool to rewrite history. |
| Dr Magus 05.11.2018 13:20 |
There was a Red Special on a stand on John's side of the stage. Poor dat. |
| emrabt 05.11.2018 14:32 |
A05 wrote: I watched it yesterday. Just to make sure. In the actual Live Aid Freddie circled around the camera man because he was stuck in a cable. A technician helped him. He winked at the camera man and AFTER the end of Hammer to fall he came up to the technician an half-hugged him as a thank you (or apology). In the movie "Freddie" is pinching the cameraman's ass. I have nothing against it, but I think it makes a difference. And the message is different ("look at me I can pinch asses and the whole world will see"). I think real Freddie on stage was more discreet and respectful towards others.I noticed it too, in real life Freddie's hands were nowhere near the guys ass, one held his mic the other was on the camera man's shoulder, they both turn around, while they step over the wires the guy in blue tries to untangle. You can then see the big mess of wires in the next shot and the techie. I suspect the choreographer for the film couldn't quite work out what was going on in the spinning shot. |
| MisterCosmicc 05.11.2018 15:32 |
What's up with them having Freddie pinching everyone's ass in the film? Is that something Bryan Singer likes doing to other guys? |
| A05 05.11.2018 15:44 |
>>What's up with them having Freddie pinching everyone's ass in the film? Maybe that is how the producers/directors understand the inner freedom of Freddie's character... but I think they are missing the point. |
| runner_70 05.11.2018 18:52 |
A05 wrote: Hi to all, I hope I do not break any rules by joining the discussion right on. I am a newbie here, but I'm a hardcore Queen fan from Russia for more than 20 years (since my teens). I've read all books available, seen plenty of interviews, watched all the documentary and concert footage I could grab my hands on and all my friends are Queen fans. I can say that Queen shaped my life the way it is. I am not a Freddie fangirl. I've always argued with people who take Queen superficially telling them that they should listen to Back to the light or Happiness. Actually my favourite one is John Deacon. I am certainly NOT ANTI-MAYLOR (I've read the thread from the start). I love WWRY, I've been to Queen + Paul Rodgers and I used to have huge respect for what they do with Queen legacy. Until two days ago at the Bo Phap opening night in my town in Russia. So... my hopes were high for the movie. I watched it in English so I was getting ready to take in the great Queen spirit once again. Then I started noticing mistakes in timing... Fat Bottomed Girls in 1976? Ok... Where are Sheffield brothers and a wonderful story of Death on two legs? Ok then... WWRY in 1980? What are they leading to? Jim Beach leaving because of Mr Bad Guy in early 1980s (not in 1978)? Paul Prenter selling Freddie to a press in 1985 (it was 187 in real life). Freddie telling about AIDS to other band members in 1985? Nonsense... Jim Beach said that he was the first to know in 1989-90 and had to keep it secret before Freddie told the others. When the movie got to an apologizing before Live Aid scene, I was feeling betrayed. I could not take it in at once, I couldn't imagine that Brian and Roger being the producers of the film should be so shallow to show Freddie like that. I thought it humiliating. Why won't they apologize for that "We got you out of Heathrow airport?" Why their private life is not discussed or frowned upon in the movie? Why all the lines in the movie lead to a humiliated (not humble) lost embarassed Freddie with AIDS who is asking to join the band? Ok, I was hoping that this is not a climax of the movie. Then Live Aid sequence was re-produced. Personally I saw no point in that. Some things were added in fact, it is not reproduced immaculately. A kiss to a mom and Freddie playing with a camera man - this isn't in the actual footage. We can always watch Live Aid. Why wasting screen time? And then the movie ends. Like nothing happened to Freddie ever since. No Barcelona album, no Innuendo or The Show Must Go On. Not the struggle to sing on the last albums. When I left the cinema, I was crying. Not because of sadness or joy. My feeling was for Freddie and "Why they did it to him???" He cannot retort with one of his witty remarks. Personally I think they are tryng to re-write Queen history and it is really awful that they do it now. Even if this conversation DID happen, it should better be left where it is. Freddie did not let out any personal details about the band inner deals and conversations and doing it with him now feels like a blow in the back. And if it is fiction and "artistic licence", this is a crime. Just needed to let it out hoping somebody feels the same. Thank you for all your thoughts on the movie and for this forum.HEy A05 - awesome review (apart from The Live Aid Thing- he indeed palyed with the camera man-watch it again) It was done almost 1:1. But what is the point when I can watch it in its original form? Kinda strange. I dont wanna watch actors playing Queens live Aid. Your points are valid. This film is mainly an insult in the second half. |
| runner_70 05.11.2018 18:55 |
MisterCosmicc wrote: What's up with them having Freddie pinching everyone's ass in the film? Is that something Bryan Singer likes doing to other guys?Haha maybe thats why he was fired |
| Chief Mouse 05.11.2018 20:10 |
Simple flick. I quite enjoyed it. They took the history aspect *very* loosely, but since it's not a documentary but rather a fictional story based on vaguely true events, I don't mind. Live Aid climax was really well done. Made me appreciate Freddie's actual performance more than I already did. Granted, they made the context lots more dramatic than it was but it's Hollywood, they gotta sell. I don't know why would anyone hate the film, it can't undo Freddie's or band's legacy. It serves as entertainment and it did its job well nevermind the flaws it's bound to have. That being said, it's extremely easy to make a film suck far more than this one ever did. |
| PrimeJiveUSA 05.11.2018 20:21 |
Can anyone tell me if Freddie smoked regularly in the 1970's? In the film, he's smoking all the time in the early days. |
| oligneisti 05.11.2018 21:09 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Can anyone tell me if Freddie smoked regularly in the 1970's? In the film, he's smoking all the time in the early days.Didn't everyone smoke in the 70s? |
| MisterCosmicc 05.11.2018 21:42 |
Considering things like Live Aid were facts, they shouldn't have fooled around to make other events not factual. That's just poor work. The film tells the story which isn't factual, well, Trump told his supporters things that weren't completely factual, either. It might be that people who see this film will be telling their children and grandchildren these things they learned from the movie later on, and then people will be telling things they think are factual but aren't. |
| runner_70 05.11.2018 22:22 |
MisterCosmicc wrote: It might be that people who see this film will be telling their children and grandchildren these things they learned from the movie later on, and then people will be telling things they think are factual but aren't.YOu nailed it! SOme say "People, might look up on wiki about how things REALLY were". But I doubt it! A LOT will take this film for a fact and that is obviously what Maylor want. Big themselves up at the expense of Freddie |
| tomchristie22 05.11.2018 22:31 |
I've never seen any hint of resentment from Roger, who was seemingly good friends with Freddie. Brian has definitely shown insecurity though. I can understand it, to be honest - throughout their history he was at least equally as prolific a songwriter as Freddie, contributing many of their iconic songs, yet the mainstream perception of the band still revolves squarely around Freddie, with few non-fans having any awareness of the other members. Still, writing a revisionist history is not the way to combat that... It's a shame |
| oligneisti 05.11.2018 22:31 |
At least people who watch the movie won't think that BoRhap is about AIDS. I would count that as win. |
| Golden Salmon 06.11.2018 00:32 |
oligneisti wrote:I think I never saw a picture of Brian smoking, but I might be wrong.PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Can anyone tell me if Freddie smoked regularly in the 1970's? In the film, he's smoking all the time in the early days.Didn't everyone smoke in the 70s? |
| Under Pressure 06.11.2018 07:29 |
I haven't seen anyone complaining yet that it shows Freddie moving into Garden Lodge right after the "1980" title card. Freddie bought it in 1980 but didn't move into Garden Lodge until Fall 1985. So I'm going to complain about it. It's tragic misrepresentation that Freddie's true entourage isn't represented in the film. I liked that to solve the he-said-she-said of Mary and Jim butting heads, they just decided that they didn't meet before Live Aid and were basically oblivious to each other. Did Mary even attend Live Aid? |
| Marcos Napier 06.11.2018 09:22 |
It's an interesting movie. If you're not a fan or know anything about the band other than Live Aid or the AIDS thing. I know they had to use the so called "poetic license" and it's not easy to condense a 40 year story (ok, 15 years...) in 2 hours, but the inconsistence of the whole thing is very annoying. I don't mean things like seeing John singing or something, but many other things like... Rio, in the 70's? Ok, they had to use LOML as a hook for the scene where Freddie tells Mary he's bisexual... WWRY in 1980? Come on... they knew the movie would be seen by the hardcore fans, so doing such things would make it laughable for that audience. People say that the characters are spot on... not really. John for example looks like he's 50 years old in the 70s scenes. The wigs are awful, look cheap. It seems they have used several different fake teeth during the movie. Oh well, at least it's not as bad as Flash Gordon. I saw some people saying that they should have made it more condensed to a certain period to allow for a sequel... don't give QPL ideas. |
| dysan 06.11.2018 09:39 |
Most reviews say the thing about it not easy to condense it into 2 hours. It is though. It really is! Film making is the easiest form to show that time has past and how people change. |
| dysan 06.11.2018 09:39 |
(and they failed on that massively) |
| The Fairy King 06.11.2018 10:01 |
Ok i watched it... It looks gorgeous and the way they handled the costumes and the sheer detail and care they put into the production is a 10/10, especially the Live Aid sequence. But overall Gwylim Lee steals the show. Rami really plays a sexless Freddie. The guy that plays Jim and the lady that plays Mary also are a high point. Storywise, it's flawed af: >The obvious timeline problems. >Cringeworthy dialogue and delivery. >Freddie meeting B and R after the Smile gig....so R and F never had the Kensington stall and Freddie didn't know Tim? This shit is well documented ffs! >The first gig they had as Queen Freddie and John the played together for the first time with R and B? And Freddie discovers the micstand thing? >Rogers hair never changes? >Paul Prenter the villain, comes across as a jealous and sad guy with a huge crush on Freddie... >Roger is a womanizing Neanderthal. >Two-dimensional acting from Rami. He's clearly overshadowed by the actress that plays Mary. Must say i enjoyed their scenes as the hopeless Will & Grace-esque love-story. But you could make a whole movie out of their thing together. >Freddie's parents are(or were) stereotypical Indian people? The dad-doesn't-approve-of-my-life-choice-cliché wasn't necessary. >The begging (albeit not that extreme) to get back in the band and playing Live Aid was cringe af. They didn't play together for years? wtf? >John Reid is there from the beginning till around 1982? And then gets in a huge fight with Freddie? Bullocks! >They fight over Bites The Dust, while it should be around the Hot Space sessions. >Record Exec(Mike Myers) never seems to leave his office? XD >Freddie meets Jim at some party where he is a waiter? >That Hot space press conference was a trainwreck? >The Philadelphia-scene with the AIDS patient in the hall was really of bad taste. >Rami almost never opened his mouth and became really annoying after a while. Freddie used to laugh out loud and show his pearly whites more often than portrayed here. Also plays a really wooden Freddie, his movements never really feel authentic. I could go on and on and on... |
| MisterCosmicc 06.11.2018 10:51 |
Isn’t Rami now dating that actress who played Mary? I think I read that. |
| pma 06.11.2018 12:31 |
An awful film and an awful portrayal of Freddie. Whoop-de-doo, I got diagnosed with AIDS, so I'll go and find that handsome man I was harassing... wait what? The way they cram everything in to the last 20 minutes is just shitty writing, maybe if they hadn't spent so many minutes on obsessing with the Prenter/Mary angle they'd have recorded WWRY in the 70s. Also the fact that they've simply had to erase all of Freddie's close-friends from the film to make him appear more lonely and more dependent on Mary etc. is just ridiculous. If there is any hope, Sacha Baron Cohen will film a half-hearted parody about a familiar looking rock star, that takes the piss out of this film. It truly deserves it. |
| mike hunt 06.11.2018 13:29 |
An awful film that people are going to see 2 or 3 times...Not that I'm disagreeing with you on many points..Freddie was a much happier and carefree person than this movie shows, but everyone I know personally who who saw the movie loved It, and seen It 2 times. Doesn't sound like It was that bad In many people's eye's. |
| A05 06.11.2018 13:29 |
>>HEy A05 - awesome review (apart from The Live Aid Thing- he >indeed palyed with the camera man-watch it again) It was done >almost 1:1. But what is the point when I can watch it in its >original form? Kinda strange. I dont wanna watch actors playing >Queens live Aid. Your points are valid. This film is mainly an >insult in the second half. Thank you! I am glad that I am not the only one in my view on the movie. All my friends who are Queen fans, say that I'm making too much fuss about this "portrayal of Freddie" thing. That it doesn't matter that much to cry or to call it betrayal. Now that I am thinking of it, all Queen members in the movie are somewhat cartoonish characters. As for Live Aid... We've discussed a couple of posts below my initial post - Freddie indeed DID NOT pinch the cameraman in real life. He could be flirting, but not explicitly making sexual advances. In the movie Rami introduces it as "oh I've come to terms with my sexuality and now I'm touching people's asses in front of millions". I think it makes a difference... Freddie's stage persona is much more dramatic than this... |
| stevendabudgie 07.11.2018 00:56 |
Alt-Right podcaster and vlogger Stefan Molyneux on Freddie and the movie- and his adoration for the music and the man. Molyneux speculates that Freddie's life style may be rooted in severe childhood trauma link |
| MisterCosmicc 07.11.2018 02:16 |
Yeah, who the fuck cares about some cunt Republican extremist, Steven? |
| MisterCosmicc 07.11.2018 02:18 |
Tell me, Steven. Do you enjoy that 'Alt-Right Podcaster'? Are you 'Alt-Right'? |
| stevendabudgie 07.11.2018 02:36 |
@MisterCosmicc I find some of his podcasts about famous people's lives interesting, especially his psychological perspective on early childhood trauma (Robin Williams, MJ) |
| MisterCosmicc 07.11.2018 02:47 |
Robin Williams was dying, he killed himself because of it. Get over it. I'd never trust an extremist to analyze anyone. Pathetic shit. |
| matt z 07.11.2018 04:20 |
To cop a line from The wizard ^^This! Yeah. Neural configuration, anxiety, losing one's quality of life beyond repair = despair. Probably seemed a better solution in spite of what others may choose to believe. A witty rollercoaster of a man feeling reduced to nothing. Some people choose to cut out before facing erasure |
| emrabt 07.11.2018 06:31 |
Robin Williams had the early stages of Lewy body dementia (Parkinson's disease related dementia) and killed himself during a very low delusional period. His state of mind at the time related very much to his illness. |
| tcc 07.11.2018 13:23 |
I saw the movie today and I find the film lacking in showing how the members get along so well with each other such that the band could last so long. The film kept showing how the members argued amongst themselves and kept voicing they are a family but no scenes to substantiate the friendly feelings. When Freddie rebutted that it was Roger who wanted to do the Break Free video in that way, the film did not show Roger taking the responsibility for the "error". In the film Freddie was made to feel he "betrayed" the band by wanting to go solo but I thought Roger went solo first. When Freddie showed Roger his moustache and house, and invited Roger to stay for dinner, Roger declined. What is the purpose of this scene ? Freddie wrote the song Soul Brother for Brian May but I cannot get the feel of a soul brother in the film. |
| mike hunt 07.11.2018 22:17 |
tcc wrote: I saw the movie today and I find the film lacking in showing how the members get along so well with each other such that the band could last so long. The film kept showing how the members argued amongst themselves and kept voicing they are a family but no scenes to substantiate the friendly feelings. When Freddie rebutted that it was Roger who wanted to do the Break Free video in that way, the film did not show Roger taking the responsibility for the "error". In the film Freddie was made to feel he "betrayed" the band by wanting to go solo but I thought Roger went solo first. When Freddie showed Roger his moustache and house, and invited Roger to stay for dinner, Roger declined. What is the purpose of this scene ? Freddie wrote the song Soul Brother for Brian May but I cannot get the feel of a soul brother in the film.Those are basically the problems with the film for me as well...Maybe they needed another 10 years to get it right...The solo thing Is an obvious Hollywood screw up, but what bothers me is The Roger/Freddie relationship, In the movie, It's a cold relationship..Roger seems uncomfortable with Freddie's sexuality, the house scene you mentioned as an example...In real life they were close friends...watch them at Roger's 37th birthday party, watch them behind the scenes of The great pretender and back stage at wembley. Always Joking around with each other...Roger's character was way off, not sure why he would sign off on this movie... |
| emrabt 07.11.2018 22:55 |
"not sure why he would sign off on this movie" I would assume a fair bit of money. I know he visited the set occasionally but Brian seems to have been the one with a lot of interest in the movie (and to be honest most recent Queen projects). Maybe It's just not Rogers thing, he assumed it was okay in Brian's hands, or he thought it would bomb and be forgotten so didn't give it much attention. Alternatively he may have actually liked the script and asked them to keep his 70's look throughout the movie. |
| mike hunt 07.11.2018 23:20 |
Obviously Brian was involved with the movie...He looks like a saint In this, Did you know Roger had 2 solo albums by 1985? lol....A strange Movie It was, but on the strength of the music It's selling...casual fans love it though. Can't deny that. |
| Shvili 08.11.2018 01:33 |
mike hunt Great points in your previous reply...This baffled me too. From what documentary footage I've seen of them, it seemed that they had if not love, at least sincere admiration and respect for Freddie. Not the case in this movie. Freddie is painted as some kind of nuisance they had to put up with. |
| Shvili 08.11.2018 03:20 |
Speaking of movies...remembered this, which i guess is is a best input we can get about THE MOVIE from Freddie. lol link |
| MisterCosmicc 08.11.2018 06:01 |
Roger probably hates the film. He promoted the WWRY musical, but claims to hate it now. |
| oligneisti 08.11.2018 07:59 |
I still think we should be focusing on Jim Beach who is the one who gets the kid glove treatment by the movie. I think his hands were in that glove. |
| bucsateflon 08.11.2018 10:00 |
mike hunt wrote: Obviously Brian was involved with the movie...He looks like a saint In this.stfu, it's the 10th time I see this idiotic remark He looks like a saint because he's got two lines in the hole movie. Fanboy these days has a bad connotation because of people like you.. "An excessively loyal fan of a product or person who blindly supports the every action of said product/company without question or reasoning." That the definition of Freddie fanboys also, I'm giving it to you cause you were wondering like a fool a few pages back. |
| MisterCosmicc 08.11.2018 10:50 |
Imagine if Queen had called the new film 'Innuendo' instead of 'Bohemian Rhapsody'? |
| mike hunt 08.11.2018 14:00 |
bucsateflon wrote:Just stop youngster! I know what a fan boy is, you're giving away your age by using that term...Lets be honest, Freddie has fanboys on this site..as well as Brian. Without mentioning names 3 people come to mind who stick up for Brian no matter what he's done or said over the last 25 years...Are they fan boys? or does that only apply for the most popular member? Brian was made out as a saint In this movie when we know he was no saint. Not saying he was/Is a bad guy but could be difficult Just like Freddie...That's not shown In the movie..Also, why not show Brian and Roger's musical talent? or show what a fun personality they all had? well, maybe not Brian lol, but Roger was a fun guy...I don't know anyone, Including me who blindly defends Freddie on everything. He wasn't perfect.mike hunt wrote: Obviously Brian was involved with the movie...He looks like a saint In this.stfu, it's the 10th time I see this idiotic remark He looks like a saint because he's got two lines in the hole movie. Fanboy these days has a bad connotation because of people like you.. "An excessively loyal fan of a product or person who blindly supports the every action of said product/company without question or reasoning." That the definition of Freddie fanboys also, I'm giving it to you cause you were wondering like a fool a few pages back. |
| bucsateflon 08.11.2018 16:06 |
mike hunt wrote: Just stop youngster! I know what a fan boy is, you're giving away your age by using that term...Lets be honest, Freddie has fanboys on this site..as well as Brian. Without mentioning names 3 people come to mind who stick up for Brian no matter what he's done or said over the last 25 years...Are they fan boys? or does that only apply for the most popular member? Brian was made out as a saint In this movie when we know he was no saint. Not saying he was/Is a bad guy but could be difficult Just like Freddie...That's not shown In the movie..Also, why not show Brian and Roger's musical talent? or show what a fun personality they all had? well, maybe not Brian lol, but Roger was a fun guy...I don't know anyone, Including me who blindly defends Freddie on everything. He wasn't perfect.I'm not a squeaker but you are definitely old, like pension style. Who are those 3? I wanna congratulate them and do a paypal donation to them. lol Even if they are wrong, in a vast sea of Freddie, Adam, LGBT fanboys to be anything else is great positive achievement. |
| mike hunt 08.11.2018 16:24 |
LGBT? the fan boy thing is all In your head...It's a Jealousy issue. Brian spoke only 3 words In the movie? did you watch the movie? What I mean by Jealously? you know that I know If they made a movie based on Brian and only Brian Hollywood would have lost a lot of money. No one is Interested In him...He's great, no Question but people pay too see Freddie...Some people can't handle that...hint hint.....some people, as in look in the mirror...Hint Hint. |
| mike hunt 08.11.2018 16:35 |
My favorite musicians? Freddie, Halford, Brian after that I'm all over the place...but I don't have too like everything Brian has done...actually, I don't like much that he's done in the last 25 years. Just like I don't like everything Freddie did. I could only think of 1 Freddie only guy on this site.....Don't call everyone a Freddie fan boy Just because they're not Into everything Brian does and has become. |
| Golden Salmon 08.11.2018 16:50 |
Brian is teasing an extended / director's cut version, which might include the full Live Aid and hopefully fix some inconsistencies (lol). |
| bucsateflon 08.11.2018 18:01 |
mike hunt wrote: My favorite musicians? Freddie, Halford, Brian after that I'm all over the place...but I don't have too like everything Brian has done...actually, I don't like much that he's done in the last 25 years. Just like I don't like everything Freddie did. I could only think of 1 Freddie only guy on this site.....Don't call everyone a Freddie fan boy Just because they're not Into everything Brian does and has become.A fanboy is one like you who says "Obviously Brian was involved with the movie...He looks like a saint In this" Just because I call on you fanboys, when you write untrue, stupid remarks on anyone else but the one you obsess over, doesn't make me a fanboy of any kind. I am a Queen fan, simple fact and as a Queen fan I am more balanced and unbiased in my opinions as opposed to any of you Freddie, Adam, etc. fanboys, after all this is the bands forum. |
| mike hunt 08.11.2018 18:15 |
I stated my opinion...Brian was obviously Involved with this movie...notice how he does no wrong in this film? saint? no he wasn't In real life, but he does no wrong in the film. Why are you so upset with my opinion? and why Isn't the fact he was a womanizer and cheated on his wife not in the film? |
| *goodco* 08.11.2018 21:15 |
pay no heed to b Teflon the poster oozes diplomacy |
| runner_70 09.11.2018 05:59 |
Golden Salmon wrote: Brian is teasing an extended / director's cut version, which might include the full Live Aid and hopefully fix some inconsistencies (lol).If they had to fix all inconsistencies they had to reshoot the movie |
| Kuningatarr 09.11.2018 13:07 |
I'm here, writing my first comment to this Forum, because of this movie. Not because I found Queen through the movie, that happened about 14 years ago when I was in my early teens, but because the movie reminded me of the power of music and gave me this huge ache to talk with people who understand Queen's music and FM. I think the movie itself was good, a little bit "American" at times, but still good. Sure, some facts and timelines where changed and not everything fit in how I would've liked, but I still enjoyed it as a movie. I don't know if we can ever really know what FM was truly like and how everything went inside the band, but I do admit the whole "please take me back into the band"-scene was the biggest cringe moment for me. Other than that, I was entertained because I tried not to be too critical. It also bothered me that Rami as Freddie looked more like a younger Steve Buscemi than the truly handsome man Freddie was. But maybe that's just me! But as an actor he did a good job. Did I get emotional and cry? Perhaps. Because of knowing the story and regretting being born in 1991 instead of living in the 70's. I missed out on a lot.. I've been in emotional turmoil and a bad place recently, and somehow have completely forgotten the power of healing that music has. I've loved Queen and especially Freddie for over a decade and only now I sort of realized, that maybe music can help me get through these bad moments. And that's what this movie reminded me of. The music Queen has made takes my breath away but it also helps me breathe - to deal with all the sorrow in my life. Not a lot of music can do that to me. So for that, this movie was a great reminder of the power of music for me. And for that I'm grateful. And I have to admit, it was pretty horrible to leave the theatre with all these amazing songs playing in my head and getting into the car with the radio on - the stuff on the radio was just absolute nothingness after Queen. You really don't need to be that that much of a talent to succeed in music these days. p.s. Sorry for the grammar, English is not my native language. Or even close to it.. |
| The Real Wizard 09.11.2018 17:30 |
Kuningatarr wrote: And I have to admit, it was pretty horrible to leave the theatre with all these amazing songs playing in my head and getting into the car with the radio on - the stuff on the radio was just absolute nothingness after Queen. You really don't need to be that that much of a talent to succeed in music these days.I hate to break it to you, but it's been like that for about 35 years. There are literally millions of bands now. Look beyond FM radio to find good music - it's everywhere. |
| Kuningatarr 09.11.2018 17:57 |
Yeah, I get that.. It was just the contrast of the moment that really hit me. Such a step down from Queen to whatever was playing on the radio. The music in my country especially is quite bad at the moment. Image and looks have always had a role in music, but today with all the social media, it's insane. Luckily I do know other good bands and artists as well! |
| BradMay 09.11.2018 22:14 |
Well, i also went to the movie today and the first thing that struck me, the actress playing Mary.. She's incredibly beautiful, and secondly the acting is superb. But the rest, well... Here, i've videotaped a short review of the movie while driving back home: link |
| mike hunt 10.11.2018 04:37 |
well, The Mary story is the one true thing about the movie and Smile. The actress who played Mary Is beautiful....But Mary herself said When He broke up with her he said he was Bi, She replied, No You're Gay...Love Of My Life was also written for her, so their story Is on point I think..As for the movie, The timelines are messed up, but only die hard fans care about that....I seen It again, The 2nd time around I see the movie In a different light. I watched It as a casual fan would...Some things I still don't like, but Overall Not a bad movie. |
| rockchic65 10.11.2018 10:38 |
^^^ I'd agree with that, I've only seen it once but from past experience I'm often on the fence the first time I see a movie and then see it differently the next so I suspect the same will happen with this. |
| MisterCosmicc 10.11.2018 10:40 |
HUGGY POO KISSY KISSY/KATHY PAT SUE KIP JOHN RAY |
| The Fairy King 10.11.2018 11:24 |
BradMay wrote: Well, i also went to the movie today and the first thing that struck me, the actress playing Mary.. She's incredibly beautiful, and secondly the acting is superb. But the rest, well... Here, i've videotaped a short review of the movie while driving back home: linkHahahaha Braddie! "Nickpit" xD Are you stll active on Fok? |
| BradMay 10.11.2018 12:30 |
Yeah i meant nitpick, but you know, Dutch and stuff. Actually i'm not, i deleted my account there 2 weeks ago |
| The Fairy King 10.11.2018 12:32 |
BradMay wrote: Yeah i meant nitpick, but you know, Dutch and stuff. Actually i'm not, i deleted my account there 2 weeks agoWhy? You are somewhat of a legend there? xD |
| BradMay 10.11.2018 23:06 |
Yeah i know, but i got sick of the whole forum stuff! I basically never post on forums anymore, i've got that YouTube channel for musicrelated things, and that's about it. *This forum being an exception every few times a year, and i sometimes post on a keyboard/synthesizerforum but that's nothing to write home about. |
| Ziggy_SD 11.11.2018 01:51 |
Well... finally saw the movie, at IMAX. It was OK. 3.5 stars. I agree with both the critics and the lovers: it’s good, shallow fun. It’s squarely aimed at a younger generation, especially when you consider the viral marketing. From the perspective of casual fan, it’s a great time in the cinemas. The overal look is amazing — the art direction and cinematography is on point. It also sounds amazing. From the perspective of a long time fanboy, the shuffling of their history is frustrating. I kept thinking they were playing the scenes in shuffle. There’s a lot of dialogue that plays out as hammy and some scenes just aren’t played out right. — Rami Malek: good, not great — Brian May: absolutely bang on — John Deacon: absolutely bang on — Roger Taylor: totally miscast If anything, I hope the success of the movie and the resurgence in their popularity brings about a long form Netflix series. It’s a good time in the cinemas, but it doesn’t do the band’s legacy any favours. |
| THRILLHO 11.11.2018 03:55 |
well that was a heartbreaker. i really wish the rest of the film had lived up to the climax. the band never hated each other, never took "years off" before Live Aid |
| matt z 11.11.2018 04:41 |
BUY ME BONESTORM OR GO TO HELL!!! |
| THRILLHO 11.11.2018 04:52 |
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| THRILLHO 11.11.2018 04:54 |
haha thanks. no one seems to get my username, i use this on a lot of fan forums. and in regards to most post, maybe he was a jerk? but most of what i'm reading here points out that May was a jealous child about FM. |
| THRILLHO 11.11.2018 05:04 |
"The Channel 5 Docu drama was more accurate but lacked the music of the movie. " is this what he's talking about? link if not can someone post a link? i've only see TGP for docs about Queen. |
| THRILLHO 11.11.2018 05:55 |
also, so there's this website called Fanedit.org and im SURE someone on there will do an edit of the film maybe include deleted scenes and take out the begging, wrong timelines. one user made an edit of Love and Mercy the BRILLIANT Beach Boys/Brian Wilson film, so i'm sure this will get the treatment a few times over on that site. esp. if were given lots of deleted scenes. |
| THRILLHO 11.11.2018 06:06 |
to the user named Vail, YES! i thought the same thing "oh GOD dont yall dare eff up the Elton movie!!!!!" also why is no one mentioning they didn't play WWRY in the movie's Live Aid? |
| Ziggy_SD 11.11.2018 08:48 |
@THRILLHO They omitted WWRY from Live Aid because it was already featured it earlier on. Which sucked, since it was one of the highlights at Live Aid. |
| runner_70 11.11.2018 11:04 |
THRILLHO wrote: haha thanks. no one seems to get my username, i use this on a lot of fan forums. and in regards to most post, maybe he was a jerk? but most of what i'm reading here points out that May was a jealous child about FM.YUp that's absolutely obvious. Queen thru the eyes of Brian May. You could call the movie "Maylor's revenge" |
| rockchic65 11.11.2018 11:42 |
Really not seeing the May jealous child thing at all, in interviews he talks about Freddie a lot and he's not saying anything bad about him, in fact the opposite. Are we saying Brian would be an Oscar worthy actor? |
| runner_70 11.11.2018 13:35 |
rockchic65 wrote: Really not seeing the May jealous child thing at all, in interviews he talks about Freddie a lot and he's not saying anything bad about him, in fact the opposite. Are we saying Brian would be an Oscar worthy actor?You obviously havent seen the movie then |
| rockchic65 11.11.2018 13:43 |
runner_70 wrote:I have and I didn't see it in the same light some people apparently do. They always fought in the studio, sometimes in soundcheck etc, that's the nature of people in bands who are all strong characters and want their own way to an extent but I think the reason it seems like the focus was all on Freddie is because as Brian said the movie is mainly about Freddie. In their press conference at Vegas he said "of course we're in it but it's really about Freddie". I think in the limited time they have to portray things they focused it mostly on Freddie and that skewed things slightly but I don't think it was done with any malicious intent. I think they underdeveloped the other characters in favour of Freddie's and it did make it a bit one sided, IMO it was good intentions that didn't quite work out.rockchic65 wrote: Really not seeing the May jealous child thing at all, in interviews he talks about Freddie a lot and he's not saying anything bad about him, in fact the opposite. Are we saying Brian would be an Oscar worthy actor?You obviously havent seen the movie then |
| runner_70 11.11.2018 16:07 |
Yeah it is about Freddie and ONLY about the DARK Sides of Freddie in the second half as well. Brian and Roger appear as the faultless saints who are always going back to wife and Kids. And Freddie is the bad Guy (no pun intended!) who is dragged away from them by the gay villains. I think the movie is very homophobic as well. |
| space cow 11.11.2018 16:48 |
I can live with timeline inaccuracies but the film is flawed.. As someone pointed out at the beginning of this thread, the major flaw of the film is that they couldn't decide whether they will tell story about Freddie or story about the band - you just can't cram both stories into a 2 hour feature, it could work as a TV series but not as a film - that's why there is so much left untold about Freddie and the band.. they definitely downplayed the disagreements and fightings in the band in the 1st half of the 80s, we see almost none of it if you are not a die hard Queen fan you would in no way know that Freddie and Roger got along very well and that they were friends.. their relationship in the film is hostile and the actor chosen for the Roger part is a total fail, unlike those chosen to play Brian and John they made a stark contrast between party beast Freddie and other members - were portrayed as quiet family men (apart from few hints at Roger for his womanizing side) which I can attribute to the 1stpoint I stated above that left no room for their character development but nonetheless, it really isn't fair towards Freddie, as they represented him as the only one in the band that got fame struck while the others remained down to earth.. as much as I was afraid that they will sanitize Freddie too much, it turned out they did that with the rest of the band and they should have included the Sun City controversy.. however it is not that bad, I think it's a decent watch.. we are all a bit biased here.. my husband, who is not that much into Queen told me that the film is good and (after I showed him couple of posts here on Queenzone) said that we are a bit too judgemental, it could have been done much worse in his opinion And I think that Rami really nailed it, excellent performance! |
| kosimodo 11.11.2018 21:49 |
Probably i am the last one to see the movie... th 12:20 show this sunday afternoon.. even then.. they halv filled the cinema. What to say? I wasnt bored. For me as loooong time queenfan it is indeed a weird storyline. My two mates however did really enjoy that one. Plus: an amazing copy of Brian. Freddie is portayed being gay. Minus: Storyline. I missed the beauty of Queens music. Using f.e. you take make breath away in a movie setting would be so easy and in this case fitting. Anybody else noticed that HTF becomes a singalong in the movie? Brian must have put forward that song really hard. The weakest song in their liveaid set did really get a makeover. How is that on the OST? And.. who sings O mio babbino caro? Is it montserrat? |
| matt z 11.11.2018 23:20 |
^haha yeah. EVERY BODY KNOWS THE WORDS TO HAMMER TO FALL! !! -SUUUUUUURE--- |
| darcy-wright 12.11.2018 01:04 |
I wonder when hammer to fall and radio gaga were released in this new timeline and the break free video. 82 ish. so in other words they made the works hot space..... I enjoyed it. parts that others gasped at, i laughed as knew it was made up, sad part being those same people will leave and think thats the truth and preach blue thats the gospel... the whole " i know i betrayed you all, please let me back in the band" was hilarious as so hammy. and they could have easily fixed the rio part as a obvious green screen, could have made it new york for example. |
| Blackvy 12.11.2018 07:35 |
darcy-wright wrote: I wonder when hammer to fall and radio gaga were released in this new timeline and the break free video. 82 ish. so in other words they made the works hot space..... I enjoyed it. parts that others gasped at, i laughed as knew it was made up, sad part being those same people will leave and think thats the truth and preach blue thats the gospel... the whole " i know i betrayed you all, please let me back in the band" was hilarious as so hammy. and they could have easily fixed the rio part as a obvious green screen, could have made it new york for example.I agree! |
| mikshinee87 12.11.2018 12:44 |
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| AllWeHearIs... 12.11.2018 20:42 |
I enjoyed the movie for what it was; a semi-biographical piece that wanted to be a blockbuster movie rather than the factual story it promised to be. There are a lot of things that are incredibly wrong with the movie, fortunately, I don't have enough patience to sit here and write an essay, but I'll address my biggest gripes. I'll never really understand why they depicted the group as four people who didn't really like each other but decided to make music together. Freddie and Roger's friendship is nonexistent in the film and that's incredibly disappointing, to be honest. If not that then they could have shown the relationship between Freddie and John. Speaking of John, the fact that he barely had any impact at all in the movie seems like a big ''screw you, John'' from May and Taylor. Changing WWRY's timeline and ignoring the fact that Taylor went solo first also left me squinting in disbelief. However, what annoyed me the most was how they wanted to portray Freddie as the only one living a particular lifestyle. It's very evident that May and Taylor wanted to preserve an image of themselves, of sorts. Nevertheless, I have seen it twice (once on the opening day and the other with the Mrs) and, as I said, enjoyed it for what it was. |
| mike hunt 12.11.2018 22:59 |
AllWeHearIs... wrote: I enjoyed the movie for what it was; a semi-biographical piece that wanted to be a blockbuster movie rather than the factual story it promised to be. There are a lot of things that are incredibly wrong with the movie, fortunately, I don't have enough patience to sit here and write an essay, but I'll address my biggest gripes. I'll never really understand why they depicted the group as four people who didn't really like each other but decided to make music together. Freddie and Roger's friendship is nonexistent in the film and that's incredibly disappointing, to be honest. If not that then they could have shown the relationship between Freddie and John. Speaking of John, the fact that he barely had any impact at all in the movie seems like a big ''screw you, John'' from May and Taylor. Changing WWRY's timeline and ignoring the fact that Taylor went solo first also left me squinting in disbelief. However, what annoyed me the most was how they wanted to portray Freddie as the only one living a particular lifestyle. It's very evident that May and Taylor wanted to preserve an image of themselves, of sorts. Nevertheless, I have seen it twice (once on the opening day and the other with the Mrs) and, as I said, enjoyed it for what it was.Yup, You summed It up nicely. |
| paola g 13.11.2018 00:15 |
Let’s put in this way. What was Freddie unforgivably guilty of? The lost for Queen of their US status and market. Why did this happen in the band’s opinion? Because of Freddie’s sexual misconduct and bad advisers. When did the band regain fame and respect in the U.S.A.? The first step happened by chance when B.R. was featured in a scene of Wayne's World (1992). Since then, the Queen’s legacy (!) has been remastered for two decades And so,what a better occasion than this biopic to clean up worldwide the band’s image and get it ready to be consumed by all kinds of audience as just a fancy and creative pop group with a legendary (ok) frontman and singer but considered as a very nasty boy even by his own band mates? And what a better revenge on Freddie’s leadership then a product which, not featuring the eccentricity of the Queen’s magic, has grossed only in the U.S. nearly 100 million dollars in one week! But beware my friends: NO SEX, NO HUMOR, NO PARTIES! |
| mike hunt 13.11.2018 19:17 |
I actually thought The I'm In Love With My Car bit was funny....Had some Humor, and the partying scene was in the movie...Did you want all drugs and sex without any music?..If any member was disrespected In this film It was John...He got no love here..Even Roger has no personality In the movie...On the other hand, they were on point with Brian.. |
| emrabt 13.11.2018 20:57 |
They should have shown the 'bromance' between Roger and Freddie at the very least. |
| bucsateflon 13.11.2018 21:53 |
AllWeHearIs... wrote: However, what annoyed me the most was how they wanted to portray Freddie as the only one living a particular lifestyle. It's very evident that May and Taylor wanted to preserve an image of themselves, of sorts.Maybe you should tell us what kind of particular depraving lifestyle had the rest of the band? Or you or just talking stupid shit... |
| Saint Jiub 14.11.2018 00:59 |
bucsateflon wrote:Allegedly ...AllWeHearIs... wrote: However, what annoyed me the most was how they wanted to portray Freddie as the only one living a particular lifestyle. It's very evident that May and Taylor wanted to preserve an image of themselves, of sorts.Maybe you should tell us what kind of particular depraving lifestyle had the rest of the band? Or you or just talking stupid shit... John photographed with stripper doing a lap dance and bought her a Mercedes. Roger dumped his girlfriend when she got breast cancer. Brian bedding a subordinate of QP and breaking up her marriage. link |
| mike hunt 14.11.2018 03:43 |
Saint Jiub wrote:Good Job! None of them were perfect.bucsateflon wrote:Allegedly ... John photographed with stripper doing a lap dance and bought her a Mercedes. Roger dumped his girlfriend when she got breast cancer. Brian bedding a subordinate of QP and breaking up her marriage. linkAllWeHearIs... wrote: However, what annoyed me the most was how they wanted to portray Freddie as the only one living a particular lifestyle. It's very evident that May and Taylor wanted to preserve an image of themselves, of sorts.Maybe you should tell us what kind of particular depraving lifestyle had the rest of the band? Or you or just talking stupid shit... |
| A05 14.11.2018 11:50 |
>>And Freddie is the bad Guy (no pun intended!) Considering that Freddie's dealing with accusations was usually self-mockery in songs/in concerts/interviews, may be the song Mr Bad Guy and its irony is the perfect explanation of the band's inner dynamics during the time))) |
| paola g 14.11.2018 20:41 |
GREAT POINT !!! |
| paola g 14.11.2018 22:32 |
Mr. Bad Guy may have been conceived just a moment before he was definitely aware of his HIV-positive condition. The next step was, instead, the Great Pretender. What a true creative diary of his own life story ! |
| AllWeHearIs... 14.11.2018 23:46 |
bucsateflon wrote:I mean, if you actually believe that the rest of the band remained mild-mannered and scarcely partook in getting shitfaced/joining in parties etc (as is the case in the movie) then you're either naive or incredibly dense.AllWeHearIs... wrote: However, what annoyed me the most was how they wanted to portray Freddie as the only one living a particular lifestyle. It's very evident that May and Taylor wanted to preserve an image of themselves, of sorts.Maybe you should tell us what kind of particular depraving lifestyle had the rest of the band? Or you or just talking stupid shit... |
| ggo1 14.11.2018 23:56 |
The movie does seem pretty clear on Roger being very much a ladies man and not necessarily a good husband. He's definitely the fall guy in a few scenes, so I don't think you can say they all come off as totally clean. |
| beemack74 15.11.2018 00:53 |
I finally seen the movie for the first time tonight! Overall,I must admit I enjoyed it,although some of the innacuracies made me want to stand up and address the rest of the audience like a teacher addressing their class with a pointer,and say "what actually happened was..."!! I had to bite my tongue several times! But overall I thought it was good. The film has however left me with an overwhelming urge to invent a time machine,travel back to the late '70s,and strangle Paul Prenter. |
| bucsateflon 15.11.2018 12:35 |
ggo1 wrote: The movie does seem pretty clear on Roger being very much a ladies man and not necessarily a good husband. He's definitely the fall guy in a few scenes, so I don't think you can say they all come off as totally clean.these fanboys are fucking retarded, no point in arguing with them... |
| mike hunt 16.11.2018 02:54 |
Bohemian Rhapsody is in the top 40 In America again...currently at 33. |
| miraclesteinway 16.11.2018 22:15 |
I'm going tomorrow to see this, I'll let you know what I think after. I'm going with an open mind. Of course my friends want to go and are expecting me to be really excited. I'm not really excited, I'm a bit reticent, but we'll see.... |
| 7Innuendo7 16.11.2018 23:14 |
I've seen it twice, soon to be three, and although the poetic license, inaccuracies, and outright fabrications substantially distract for the loyal royals, it's an enjoyable film. It is Brian and Roger's version of history, with Deaky's OK apparently. I liked it because BH gives some scope to the pathos of Freddie as a private man. It would be cool to see Rami go on stage as Freddie in the silver glitter leotard, if he gets to accept an Oscar. It would have been cool if Deaky attended the premiere, and kindly correct me if my facts are wrong. I got the impression that the narrative structure of the movie in some way mimics the structure of the title song. Lucy Boynton was totally fabulous and gave her role such depth and compassion. imho Mary ought to invite her to the mansion for a proper British tea -- Earl Gray Twinings, two sugars, milk. Gwylim really got Brian spot on. "Not the coffee machine!!" love it...Agree with Zebonka about the script, and change of directors midway through seemed to affect some of the dialogue. The ost shows the range of Freddie's styles in particular. I also like the fanfare from Brian and Roger. The movie portrays John as nearly mute and the script may have benefited from emphasizing Freddie and John's relationship. The genesis of the AOBTD riff, lack of more Japan tour scenes, South America -- but of course nothing on South Africa. The funny facial gestures from Joe M., and especially at Live Aid. All in all I had a really good time at the movies. The new version of Doin All Right can be played loud to great effect. And because of that, recently when I listen to Queen, so do the neighbors!!! |
| AllWeHearIs... 17.11.2018 02:20 |
ggo1 wrote: The movie does seem pretty clear on Roger being very much a ladies man and not necessarily a good husband. He's definitely the fall guy in a few scenes, so I don't think you can say they all come off as totally clean.I never said they came off totally clean. The point I'm making is that Freddie is portrayed the boozing, drug taking partier of the group whereas, aside from the odd glimpse of Roger's womanizing, the other three appear far more meek and mild towards drinking and partying. bucsateflon wrote: these fanboys are fucking retarded, no point in arguing with them...You've actually contributed nothing in two posts. You've just decided run through the traditional boring keyboard warrior list of supposed insults, and that's about it. Is there more to you, your vocabulary and basic conversational comprehension or are you just that fucking boring? |
| bucsateflon 17.11.2018 09:08 |
" the other three appear far more meek and mild towards drinking and partying. " cause they were! the fact that the rest of the band had 3 or 4 line in the hole movie to make room for other shit. didn't hit your observation, did it? You and others like you registered just now to this board, to come with stupid fanboy statements, this is your contribution.(3 posts) |
| RobbyBloodshed 17.11.2018 15:28 |
I really wonder what Deacon thinks of this movie... |
| mike hunt 17.11.2018 15:31 |
great, another troll like gerry.. Its time too leave Queenzone...Fanboy? real mature line he keeps repeating. How old are you 12? |
| mike hunt 17.11.2018 16:06 |
RobbyBloodshed wrote: I really wonder what Deacon thinks of this movie...I was thinking the same...The only thing they did positive for John was show he wrote Another One Bites The Dust...everything else looked like they were making him look like a nobody...I hope he's writing a book. |
| emrabt 17.11.2018 17:07 |
"I'm glad i retired when i did" |
| RobbyBloodshed 17.11.2018 17:17 |
mike hunt wrote:In that sense I wonder, but I was thinking even more on how Freddie was portrayed. I think it’s fair to say John and Freddie were closer than Brian/Roger are.RobbyBloodshed wrote: I really wonder what Deacon thinks of this movie...I was thinking the same...The only thing they did positive for John was show he wrote Another One Bites The Dust...everything else looked like they were making him look like a nobody...I hope he's writing a book. I wonder if he’s hurt with the portrayal during the 80’s “breaking up of the band” fable and the insults Freddie threw specifically to John during that fight. Even though I wasn’t there, I truly can’t imagine Freddie putting down John like that. |
| mike hunt 17.11.2018 17:41 |
On point...that was low of them showing Freddie put down John In that way...Freddie always lifted John up and encouraged him too grow as a writer...Then praising him stating "his songs keep getting better and better" In the movie Freddie talks like John is a nobody. Not cool. |
| Shvili 17.11.2018 19:31 |
Screenplay is trash. Directing is mediocre. Highlight of acting is the good impersonation of May. Overall, the movie is a tasteless bundle of crap sprinkled with glitter that can, and apparently did attract and daze masses. congrats lol |
| AllWeHearIs... 17.11.2018 19:47 |
bucsateflon wrote: " the other three appear far more meek and mild towards drinking and partying. " cause they were! the fact that the rest of the band had 3 or 4 line in the hole movie to make room for other shit. didn't hit your observation, did it? You and others like you registered just now to this board, to come with stupid fanboy statements, this is your contribution.(3 posts)You seem very upset at the fact that I'm new rather than trying to engage in any sort of rational conversation. Do you not like new people where you're from? |
| *goodco* 17.11.2018 23:33 |
^ His response to 90% of the individuals that post here. Best to ignore. |
| matt z 18.11.2018 09:39 |
Right on Shvili.....and it felt incomplete. First indication of that was the computer rendered item (i think it was a Mic) blocking out presumably David Bowie in the opening scene. It seemed as if certain clearances weren't met and certain drafting was not done and that many scenes were cut. ....it was a mess of a film and left me wondering "THAT'S what they did with this film?' High point: "Fred's ostensibly bitchy line "VILLAINY"" Low point: all that expository "dialogue" .... "We're going to be the best the biggest we'll take chances do opera do classics ....we'll reach out to those nobodies in the back seats and tell them they're somebody!" Etc. |
| runner_70 18.11.2018 13:32 |
Freddie Mack on the movie - spot on: link |
| rockchic65 18.11.2018 14:00 |
Double post. |
| rockchic65 18.11.2018 14:00 |
Agree or disagree with his assessment but he's hardly gonna be unbiased!! |
| Viper 18.11.2018 15:43 |
I've seen the movie as soon as it premiered in my country, on the 31st of october. I have to say I disliked the movie... It's badly directed... somo scenes make no sense.. what a shame! This is of course Freddie's story, not Queen's story, so Bri, Rog and John get only a few appereances. But if it's about Freddie, why do we get the stage Fred and not the intimate Fred, the shy Fred. Fred's in and out of stage has always the same persona.. Pitty! The cronological differences with songs and stuff are a bit annoying... Imo Rami didn't do a great job... His Live Aid scenes were very mechanic and with low intensity... Bri and John were phisically lookalikes! Nicelly done! Rog not so much! They could have done so much better! Is it true Freddie gave a ring to Mary when proposing to her? |
| tomchristie22 19.11.2018 10:41 |
Finally saw it, honestly wasn't as bad as I expected. I'm not that fussed on the chronological reworks - they make sense when you consider that they wanted to put a timeskip between 1975 and 1980, but still wanted to include FBG and WWRY. Similarly, I was fine with it having been 'years' since they'd played together prior to Live Aid - works for dramatic effect. Less forgivable is the lousy dialogue - some really on the nose moments. I almost laughed out loud when Freddie broke out in song on the street. I'm almost certain Brian never said the words 'We need to get experimental' in the studio. And a grievance I've aired before, they could've at least made sure they were being musically accurate - the scene where Freddie tells Roger to sing the melody 'higher' is ridiculous to anyone who knows how pitch and melody work. I think the worst bit was 'You're a legend Fred' - 'We're all legends'. People don't talk like that, and it doesn't make for a very convincing biopic when the characters seem to have retroactive understanding of their historical significance. I think it actually needed to be longer. The chronology flies past at such a speed that you don't have time to emotionally connect, which means the key emotional beats don't resonate. Some have said that it's trying to be both a Queen movie and a Freddie movie at once, and hence failing at both. I agree to an extent, but I think people would've been upset if they'd not had a scene about the recording of We Will Rock You. It was always gonna be a matter of compromise and pleasing as many people as possible, and a hard character study of Freddie, at the expense of including crowd-pleasing moments, was never gonna happen on official funding. Costuming and stage design were all pretty wonderful. My one hangup - why didn't they bother with Roger's shorter hair for Live Aid? They got everyone else's completely accurate, including the subtle changes in the straightness/curliness of Brian and Freddie's hair from 1970-1973. Why skimp out on that one final change? |
| matt z 19.11.2018 14:53 |
Possibly cause the guy doesn't want to be seen unfavorably with a melon head. ..but who knows. I'm just glad others realize how completely retarded most of the dialogue in that film is. I'm going to probably watch it again once it leaves the main cinemas and goes to the local $3 theater (older films and duds) |
| mike hunt 19.11.2018 15:23 |
I think the movie is a huge success not because It's a great movie, It's on the strength of the music. It's reaching a new generation. Hearing those songs on the big screen Is what's making people go see it 3 times. Making people think the movie is great when It's not. I also think people like love stories, and the Freddie/Mary, Love Of My Life storyline was the other strength of the movie...I guess casual fans are looking past or not noticing all It's flaws. |
| MisterCosmicc 19.11.2018 17:32 |
mike hunt wrote: I think the movie is a huge success not because It's a great movie, It's on the strength of the music. It's reaching a new generation. Hearing those songs on the big screen Is what's making people go see it 3 times.Yep! Judging by new YouTube comments on all the videos, there is a huge new generation! And not just the US hits, people are watching non-hits too! |
| oligneisti 19.11.2018 20:37 |
Viper wrote: Is it true Freddie gave a ring to Mary when proposing to her?Wasn't there a big box with smaller boxes? But otherwise true I think. A big fact-check project on the movie should be done. |
| Holly2003 21.11.2018 10:52 |
I saw it yesterday. I won't go over *all* the strengths and weaknesses as others have mentioned them already, plus the film is a bit of entertaining fluff that doesn't deserve much reflection. The film is a roller coaster ride -- very fast paced, and it skims over important issues, events and themes that needed more time to unfold and needed to be handled with more subtlety. Some of the dialogue was laughably bad, and some scenes were clearly designed to make Brian May look saintly, or in one case to make Queen look like they saved Live Aid from total disaster. For example, IIRC it was the famine video with The Cars song "Drive" which led to the boost in donations, as well as Geldof's famous "fuck the address" comment on Live tv, which showed his sense of frustration with both the BBC and that there weren't enough donations coming in. I thought Fred's sexuality was handled fairly well. It showed his inner turmoil and it didn't say, as some have accused, that Fred being gay caused the problems with the band. Instead, it clearly paints Prenter as the villain, the rejected lover, who encouraged Fred to overindulge in risky sexual and druggy excess. So the film argues that being gay isn't "wrong", but that Prenter exploited Fred then sold him out to the press. It also clearly makes the case that being gay isn't a choice and that Fred wasn't bisexual, which undermines the alternative conservative p.o.v. In short, there is no credibility in the early social media furore that the film indulges in "gay shaming". Overall I enjoyed it more than I thought. There are compromises that need to be made to fit 25 years of a person's life into a 2-hour film and while there are some historical inaccuracies that grate (that awful scene where Fred begs to get back in the band -- what a fucking joke that is!), the overall story is a truthful, albeit highly stylised version of events. It is, at times, funny, sad, loud, cheesy, and annoying, but it is entertaining in a very simplified Hollywood way. It's clear what its market is, and based on that it is a success. The Cars "Drive" @ Live Aid link |
| bucsateflon 21.11.2018 12:16 |
You forgot to mention that scene clearly designed to make Freddie look saintly, the one were he says he doesn't betray his "family" and kicks out hes manager. |
| Stardust Parade 21.11.2018 20:17 |
I actually really liked it... A lot. Please don't hurt me! :D |
| tomchristie22 21.11.2018 22:08 |
Brian May did indeed get the most sympathetic representation. Having seen the film, I truly think it's not as much a case of Brian and Roger meddling, as it is that they needed to simplify the three bandmates into caricatures for storytelling purposes. It's an interesting topic, this idea that the film is somehow homophobic. It's an utterly ridiculous assertion, to be honest. I've seen many people claim that the movie depicts AIDS as a punishment which Freddie deserved for his promiscuous lifestyle. I have no idea where one would draw this conclusion, and I can only conclude that it's a whole bunch of projection. It was always going to be a difficult thing for them to depict. The fact is, when Freddie first began to embrace his homosexuality, he was at the same time also beginning to take hard drugs, and generally being less judicious about who he let into his life (Prenter). Then, yes, he got AIDS as a result of years of unprotected gay sex with strangers. Nobody is suggesting that he deserved that, but it is what happened. The film shows these events in sequence, and certain people seem to be inferring that the film thinks Freddie's homosexuality in itself was immoral and destructive. |
| tomchristie22 22.11.2018 08:03 |
Something felt wrong to me about the depiction of Live Aid and I've just figured it out - nobody was sweaty in the film version. Look at the audience shots in the real footage - everyone is soaked in sweat. Freddie has sweat on his face the moment he steps on stage. |
| Viper 22.11.2018 08:59 |
Yep I've noticed Rami wasn't sweaty. It's an aspect that enhances the lack of intensity of his moves I've mentioned before. |
| Wiley 22.11.2018 14:31 |
The bit with Another One Bites the Dust head enough sweat and looks intense. Also, he seems to be really pushing it out vocally as the veins on Rami's neck seem to be popping. Looks good. I think. |
| tcc 22.11.2018 16:08 |
I noticed that in the Live Aid scene, the movie Brian May looked sceptical at Freddie when the crowd reacted well to his performance. In the actual Live Aid video, Brian May looked really happy at Freddie when the crowd reacted well with him. |
| ozweepay 22.11.2018 16:17 |
I was waiting for a long time for this movie to be released. I took my teenaged kids, and they loved it. The movie got a few things wrong, of course, but my kids enjoyed the story and the music. |
| Day dop 22.11.2018 18:34 |
It's a fun movie, but it's inaccurate, and they made Freddie out to be a lost sad case. Roger's friendship with Freddie in the movie seemed totally off. I bet Roger Talyor secretly doesn't think much of it. |
| mike hunt 22.11.2018 19:04 |
tomchristie22 wrote: Something felt wrong to me about the depiction of Live Aid and I've just figured it out - nobody was sweaty in the film version. Look at the audience shots in the real footage - everyone is soaked in sweat. Freddie has sweat on his face the moment he steps on stage.Yup...good catch...That's one of those head scratching moments that I noticed right away...Why not fix that? It looked fake...I'm not a hater of this movie, but some moments are cringe worthy...There was plenty of good moments as well. |
| matt z 22.11.2018 20:52 |
As long as we're talking about the cgi audience. It looked fake as hell and i was prepared for an AMAZING EXPERIENCE feeling AS IF YOU WERE ON STAGE with the band....instead the performance was truly shortened and non eventful to me really. I know the preferred word is uneventful but i mean that it didn't rank as big as the lead up was. Hell...the first 8 minutes of the film got it all right except for covering up Bowies face. I still think the film is a mess and i saw it in IMAX so i was fully immersed in it. Something tells me I'm gonna watch it again soon if not in a year or so and nothing will have changed. Kinda like the Times i tried to take a break and return to THE COSMOS ROCKS. .....it's just not good. But I'm glad that a new generation loves it somehow |
| mike hunt 22.11.2018 21:39 |
I agree with that Matt...The new generation loves It..and old casual fans. I Just watched The Freddie Mack review and thought It was on point. |
| tomchristie22 23.11.2018 01:48 |
Yeah, the Live Aid scene definitely felt smaller than it should've. All the other concert scenes were very good though, I thought. |
| musicland munich 24.11.2018 00:53 |
In Germany it will catch that damn Star Wars spin off "SOLO" next week in the 2018 rankings. Walking into the 2018 top ten in December I guess. |
| stevendabudgie 25.11.2018 00:12 |
Star Wars ist tot! |
| mike hunt 25.11.2018 21:07 |
Never thought it had a chance to catch Straight Out Of Compton, but It has a good chance now If It has another decent week...152 million domestic...It needs 10 more million, which is possible by next sunday. Unless it completely drops off. |
| Chopin1995 25.11.2018 22:15 |
I saw a film yesterday and I liked it very much. |
| Invisible Woman 26.11.2018 08:31 |
Real life is one thing and the movie is other. Is every biopic true? No. I'm not surprised that movie was made in this way. For decades, media and managment has created an image of Mary as Freddie's only love and the most important person in his life, why would the movie be different then? I don't know is this movie biopic of Queen or Freddie or Mary Austin... People will believe in things and events from this movie, although it's not true. But the movie has make money, band has many new fans, Mary is again promoted as a "love oh his life", Jim Hutton in this movie is some irrelevant person in Freddie's life... and the goal is achieved. I said before that this movie will not change my opinion about Freddie and Queen's music. Of course will not. It's just a movie. But, from now, I will doubt in every Brian's and Roger's word which they said in past and what will be say in future about Freddie. |
| mike hunt 26.11.2018 14:43 |
Invisible Woman wrote: Real life is one thing and the movie is other. Is every biopic true? No. I'm not surprised that movie was made in this way. For decades, media and managment has created an image of Mary as Freddie's only love and the most important person in his life, why would the movie be different then? I don't know is this movie biopic of Queen or Freddie or Mary Austin... People will believe in things and events from this movie, although it's not true. But the movie has make money, band has many new fans, Mary is again promoted as a "love oh his life", Jim Hutton in this movie is some irrelevant person in Freddie's life... and the goal is achieved. I said before that this movie will not change my opinion about Freddie and Queen's music. Of course will not. It's just a movie. But, from now, I will doubt in every Brian's and Roger's word which they said in past and what will be say in future about Freddie.Inaccurate yes, but the events were true just not the timelines...And there is some fiction to build up drama as well...I hate that fact...but what is accurate is Freddie wrote Love Of My Life for Mary...No one could replace Mary In Freddie's own words...That's not made up or fiction...Jim was short changed for sure, but the closing credits did say that they were together till the end... |
| matt z 26.11.2018 14:53 |
To tail ride here. ....how could they have not found a better generation copy of that Freddie and Jim shot for the end? Same goes for DSMN. Had it been shot on magnetic tape? Maybe I'm deceived by the grit in the face forward shots of Freddie that it was shot on film. I thought when watching: "What a cheap abrupt ending" oh okay, here's the epilogue:....."oh God, that felt like some high school assignment writing" Aka: "Poochie died on the way back to his home planet" |
| Holly2003 26.11.2018 14:59 |
I was pleasantly surprised when they showed Don't Stop Me Now in split screen with the film credits. It really showed what a great performer Fred was, and what an exciting band Queen were a long time ago. I think DSMN was shot on video rather than film but maybe I'm wrong. ps Poochie's dead? D'oh! |
| Invisible Woman 26.11.2018 16:15 |
@ mike hunt It's my fault, I was thinking "timeline". What is the proof that "Love Of My Life" was written for Mary? I don't believe it. Did Freddie say it in an interview?For me it's the same as her role in this movie, more fiction than true. Maybe it's said that Freddie and Jim stay together but Jim was shown in the movie as someone who Freddie found just to have someone to care about him because he was ill. So, there is no time to show love between them but there is time to show how Mary is pregnant and how jealous Freddie was because of that, altough her pregnancy happened a few years later. It's my opinion. All right if many of people believes in all those stories about Mary and Freddie, but for me it's fiction that lasts for decades. |
| runner_70 26.11.2018 19:04 |
mike hunt wrote: Inaccurate yes, but the events were true just not the timelines...And there is some fiction to build up drama as well...I hate that fact...but what is accurate is Freddie wrote Love Of My Life for Mary...No one could replace Mary In Freddie's own words...That's not made up or fiction...Jim was short changed for sure, but the closing credits did say that they were together till the end...The events were NOT true: * Freddie begging for his job to get back in the band * Freddie quitting Queen for years for a solo career * Freddie being tested HIV positive in 1985 and admitting it to the band in 1985 before Live AId * Freddie living door to door with Mary and keeping in concact by switiching lights on and off Laughable |
| bucsateflon 26.11.2018 20:26 |
haha |
| mike hunt 26.11.2018 21:59 |
Invisible Woman wrote: @ mike hunt It's my fault, I was thinking "timeline". What is the proof that "Love Of My Life" was written for Mary? I don't believe it. Did Freddie say it in an interview?For me it's the same as her role in this movie, more fiction than true. Maybe it's said that Freddie and Jim stay together but Jim was shown in the movie as someone who Freddie found just to have someone to care about him because he was ill. So, there is no time to show love between them but there is time to show how Mary is pregnant and how jealous Freddie was because of that, altough her pregnancy happened a few years later. It's my opinion. All right if many of people believes in all those stories about Mary and Freddie, but for me it's fiction that lasts for decades. |
| oligneisti 27.11.2018 08:25 |
Invisible Woman wrote: @ mike hunt It's my fault, I was thinking "timeline". What is the proof that "Love Of My Life" was written for Mary? I don't believe it. Did Freddie say it in an interview?Think of the lyrics, it is a break-up song. Also, think of it as being written from the point of view of Mary. |
| Wiley 28.11.2018 01:12 |
That's what I've believed for the longest time, that the song is written from Mary's perspective. However, I believe John Reid said in some interviews that Freddie wrote it for/about David Minns, his lover at the time. Speculating further, could it be both? That it's from Mary's perspective, about losing Freddie and that the third person in question was indeed David. Who knows? |
| Blackvy 28.11.2018 02:24 |
Freddie talked about Love of my life in an interview to Stephen Ford around 1976 : "I suppose I do write a lot of sad songs, but that doesn't mean I feel that way myself. I really enjoy writing those songs but, again, there isn't necessarily any connexion between the music and my life. Love of My Life, for instance, I simply made up. There's nothing personal about it. Am I making sense? What I mean is, writing those sad songs makes me happy. To me, they're fun, so it all fits in. I just happen to like that kind of music" Here's the source (By the way, there's an old post about Love of my life, and the source came from the user Sebastian,so thank you mate!) :) : |
| mike hunt 28.11.2018 03:05 |
Blackvy wrote: Freddie talked about Love of my life in an interview to Stephen Ford around 1976 : "I suppose I do write a lot of sad songs, but that doesn't mean I feel that way myself. I really enjoy writing those songs but, again, there isn't necessarily any connexion between the music and my life. Love of My Life, for instance, I simply made up. There's nothing personal about it. Am I making sense? What I mean is, writing those sad songs makes me happy. To me, they're fun, so it all fits in. I just happen to like that kind of music" Here's the source (By the way, there's an old post about Love of my life, and the source came from the user Sebastian,so thank you mate!) :) :So can The story about the Song and Mary be made up? Trying too think If their is an Interview with Freddie saying the song Is about her...I'm also In the camp of The song was written for her from her perspective. |
| tomchristie22 29.11.2018 02:40 |
matt z wrote: Same goes for DSMN. Had it been shot on magnetic tape? Maybe I'm deceived by the grit in the face forward shots of Freddie that it was shot on film.It was shot on film, yeah. You can tell cos it runs at 24fps rather than 30. I was also very surprised they didn't bother to get a better copy and clean it up. There's a version on Chief Mouse's YT channel which is taken from 16mm film and restored - you know there's a lack of effort on the filmmakers' part when the version in the major motion picture is inferior to what fans and hobbyists have managed to do. |
| tomchristie22 29.11.2018 02:45 |
I was wholly expecting that pre-credits montage to end on a reference to how they're now touring with Adam Lambert. Someone obviously had the good judgement not to do that (and it probably wasn't Brian). |
| Grantcdn1 29.11.2018 03:50 |
For those who think somehow Jim got short changed in the movie....what about in Freddie’s will? He got a very small amount similar to his other friends....this is probably partly because their relationship was still a fairly short duration for a 45 year old man....meanwhile his relationship with Mary both as lover and friend later covered most of his adult life and remained to the end. Freddie’s will was his choice and the fact that Freddie chose Mary as the one to live in his house, leave most of his wealth to and to look after his ashes really tells us who was most important to him whether their relationship at the end was physical or not. I think it is good that they recognised Jim as stability he had in the end but if they told a story of a multitude of partners and included Jim as the last one he would have been mimimized even more... as such I think they were respectful to him as well |
| Invisible Woman 30.11.2018 08:45 |
^Doesn't mean that every song is true or that it's written for someone. Who was the first to say that it was a song for her? Brian? About Freddie's will, there may be many reasons why it's written like this and doesn't really matter to me. But I think it's clear that the money which Jim, Joe, Peter and Terry inherited wasn't given to them as his friends but as the people who worked for him. Love and friendship are not determined by the amount of money. |
| mike hunt 30.11.2018 13:37 |
Invisible Woman wrote: ^Doesn't mean that every song is true or that it's written for someone. Who was the first to say that it was a song for her? Brian? About Freddie's will, there may be many reasons why it's written like this and doesn't really matter to me. But I think it's clear that the money which Jim, Joe, Peter and Terry inherited wasn't given to them as his friends but as the people who worked for him. Love and friendship are not determined by the amount of money.Not only Brian, but others who were close with Freddie like Mick Rock also said Love Of My Life was written for Mary..Are you a newer fan? Freddie Said In numerous Interviews that Mary was the most Important person in his life...He even said they were married at one point...that's not up for debate...As far as the silly Bi vs Gay debate, not that It matters but he was a Gay man as per Mary and his designer (Rhoads?) I forget her name... |
| mike hunt 30.11.2018 13:40 |
Invisible Woman...If you are a newer fan watch the 2000 Documentary of Freddie that was a part of his solo collection..those are the people that really knew him... |
| Invisible Woman 30.11.2018 21:27 |
@mike hunt First, I love Queen music long time ago. It really doesn't matter to me did Freddie was gay, bi or straight and I have mentioned it several times in other topics. I think all this story about Mary and Freddie is exaggerated and looks more like a fairy tale than something real. What I wanted to say was that in this movie Jim didn't get the space he deserves. About the song, let's say it's true that Love Of My Life was written for Mary. Ok, but when was that? After that, he had other loves. He had other friends. But in the movie looks like that existed only Mary. Interviews where he talked about her on way you mentioned were before or after Jim? Before. We saw Freddie's photos with her from some events where Jim is behind them. Same as photos with Barbara Valentin and Winnie behind them. Photos made for public. Of course, none of us know the real truth about this, but each of us can have his own opinion. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 30.11.2018 21:31 |
Grandcdn: Didn't Jim build a house in Ireland before Freddie died? IIRC, he had originally gotten a bank loan and Freddie had insisted on giving him the money. Jim then compromised on a loan which was docked from his gardener's pay. Freddie knew Jim had a place to live, and he did leave him a substantial amount of money. The whole Mary thing, well, she had simply been around longer and maybe he had an element guilt. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 30.11.2018 21:32 |
Mike Hunt: I don't recall ever seeing Freddie say he and Mary had gotten married. |
| mike hunt 30.11.2018 22:22 |
She's like my Common Law wife he said In the 80's...No one could replace her... |
| YAWN 30.11.2018 22:35 |
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| paola g 04.12.2018 18:24 |
Hi all. In my opinion , there is no point getting too deeply into the details shown in this movie. It's all about money (read: audience) How can we(alias the production) entertain the largest number of people and sell them the updated and revised Freddie's legend ? The market to be captured was wide: first of all, the States where Queen were never durably well-established in the '70s and '80s. What could work better than a life long relationship with an always sympathetic blonde fairy? Then we have another important target to reach: people coming (or living)from a very far world who may become enormously successful . I read very little in your comments about how the presence of freddie's family as depicted in the movie is totally fictionalized.Let's add to the recipe, the whole band engaged to keep Freddie and themself safe form his dangerous lifestyle... The result is: at least $250 grossed in a month, most of them in the States!!! |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 04.12.2018 18:45 |
Anyone think he spoke way too slow? Every clip I've seen of Freddie, whether home movies or interviews, he spoke much faster. |
| Petalouda8 04.12.2018 18:47 |
Hi all! I'm anna, long time lurker, finally took the plunge to start posting. I'm so ambivalent about the movie. I loved seeing it in IMAX - the sound was unbelievable, and I dare say it's the closest I'll ever come to seeing Queen with Freddie live. The music was of course incredible. And I love that the movie is exposing Queen to a new generation of fans. I hate, though, that this new generation will take the narrative of the movie as "gospel." That was was portrayed in the film is what they will think actually happened. Some of the inaccuracies were shrug worthy for me. I didn't mind the timeline inaccuracies when it came to certain song releases, for example. And even the AIDs reveal immediately pre-LiveAid I could deal with. It was all about giving the movie a "hero ending," so to speak. My biggest gripe though is just the fact that the movie portrays Freddie in a certain way that I believe is wholly wrong. I've seen the argument that it's not a documentary, blah blah. Okay. Sure. It's not a documentary. But it is portraying a real person in a (what I believe to be) completely inaccurate way. And said person is no longer around to give his version of events. That's what I take most issue with when it comes to the movie. Also - one other huge WTF moment for me during the film was Roger's portrayal. Especially when it came to his interaction with Freddie. By all accounts, it's always seemed as if Roger & Freddie got along very well, were very close, and Roger seemed to be very supportive of Freddie, both personally & professionally. I couldn't help but wonder if Roger had ANY input into his characterization whatsoever. Because that relationship especially just seemed to portrayed completely wrong as well, IMO. Freddie & John's relationship too. Granted, my knowledge is only from interviews/documentaries/books. But. Yeah. That had to have been one of the biggest WTF moments for me. Okay. Imma shuddup now. Sorry for the novel-length reply. Took me awhile to get the nerve up to post. :) |
| spiralstatic 05.12.2018 20:16 |
I don't call it incredible or anything, but I loved the film myself anyway. I found it really poignant somehow - I think as I felt it respectful to Freddie. When I had heard about the film being made I was very concerned that it wouldn't include young Freddie and that it'd just be all the most-known-by-most-people 80's era of the band. And I was concerned it'd be frivolous or sensational. Or, you know "We Will Rock You" on film. So I was very relieved to be proven wrong on those accounts. I was moved to think of new people discovering Queen's music (I was sat net to kids watching who were going "They did THAT song too?!?!?! All the time and were air guitaring) & I thought Rami was particularly great in the live scenes... and I loved that there was loads of Queens music - and actual Freddie singing (another fear.) I thought the film conveyed a sweetness of Freddie which I have felt a part of his nature, which I found touching and another relief. Of course there are more sides to him than the film delves into and really the rest of the band are mere cardboard cut-outs. The more you think on it, the more irritating it seems that Brian May is portrayed as a literal saint in the film, but hey - if you were making a film with you in, wouldn't you want to look good?? And it irritated me as an afterthought, not at the time. I just think it's fun and moving and I can't imagine anyone doing a better job than Rami. Someone says Rami doesn't speak fast enough - well, I think he doesn't imbue Freddie with the wit and intelligence had, but if he spoke too fast, practically it wouldn't be the best dramatically for the world to follow the film. The film has some skin crawlingly bad dialogue at times, but I found it moving and enough. I think the most disingenuous part of the film was probably how they approached Freddie's family and him revealing his sexuality to them and them accepting it. I know his Mum loved Freddie no matter what, but to speak of such to his parents was SO far from what Freddie would ever have done. I guess they wanted to 2018 it up. But that is the opposite to what a film should be about - reflective of the times it depicts. I found it moving that the film was respectful towards Freddie.... Though part of me wishes there had been something about, say the Innuendo sessions, later in Freddie's life - to show his grit, because I think Rami could have gone there and done it justice and most of all because someone will make the film that goes there one day and it'll likely not have Rami to portray Freddie. Of course the film is flawed, but it moved me. And I've loved Queen since I was a kid, but to be honest I guess it got me to rediscover the depth of my love. I used to internet post about the band in my earliest, kid internet days. But I guess I wouldn't have been bothered to post on here, but for the film and for it leading me back to Queen rather than for just the film in itself. But yeah, great music and I think Rami in particular captured something true of Freddie. The thing I really don't get is why they even changed the order Queen songs were written!!!??!?! What's the need for that?! I loved how the film handled Freddie and Mary's connection myself and it would have been nice if Jim were in the film for longer, but despite his relatively small screen time I thought that was done nicely enough too. The actors playing the other band members were great too - you could believe Brian and John were actual Brian and John at times. I mean, less so Roger, but you know! |
| pholidota 13.12.2018 18:35 |
Petalouda8 wrote: I couldn't help but wonder if Roger had ANY input into his characterization whatsoever.Well, I just listened to an interview with Graham King, the producer, where went on getting Freddie right, praised Malek and mentioned how important it was also to get the character of Brian May right. Curiously, RT and JD weren't mentioned. After the movie makers were pleased with the characters of FM and BM, they apparently got tired and decided to go with the stereotypes of the dumb drummer and the silent bass player. According to Roger (in this months Batterie mag), the way Freddie meets BM and RT in the film was a 'artistic choice' of the director. Wonder what the initial script said! Roger also marvelled at the horrible clothes his character wore in the film. He also said that he wasn't always consulted for drum kit choices, hence Sonor Hilite at Smile gig and noted that sometimes microphones were placed in the wrong way around the kit. (He also had some rather lovely things to say about John). |
| Golden Salmon 14.12.2018 10:03 |
So, the film has just made $600 million on a $50 million budget. Even if marketing accounted for another $50 million, there's no denying it's a massive success. It can still make some more millions, and then there's the home media release on top of the popularity push for the music. Here's hoping this will translate into new audio releases within the next few years. |
| bucsateflon 14.12.2018 20:10 |
And new coat of Rustins for the Ol' Lady |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 14.12.2018 23:09 |
Quite a few thing annoyed me: -Treating him being gay as something dirty - Paul Prenter being seen as turning him gay and forcing him into orgies (people on youtube actually have said that) and having a relationship with Freddie - Freddie being portrayed as this little child, alone at Garden Lodge waiting for Mary to flicker on a damn light. again, this has led many people to believe that it was true, while we know he had very close friends, two of whom we are lucky enough to have posting here - The fake meet cute with Jim. Honestly the way they met in real life was cuter, I think, considering Jim told him to fuck right off - Adding to the item above, they focused a lot on Mary and not enough on Jim. - The band seeing him as this party animal who showed up late and didn't give a shit. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 14.12.2018 23:09 |
Quite a few thing annoyed me: -Treating him being gay as something dirty - Paul Prenter being seen as turning him gay and forcing him into orgies (people on youtube actually have said that) and having a relationship with Freddie - Freddie being portrayed as this little child, alone at Garden Lodge waiting for Mary to flicker on a damn light. again, this has led many people to believe that it was true, while we know he had very close friends, two of whom we are lucky enough to have posting here - The fake meet cute with Jim. Honestly the way they met in real life was cuter, I think, considering Jim told him to fuck right off - Adding to the item above, they focused a lot on Mary and not enough on Jim. - The band seeing him as this party animal who showed up late and didn't give a shit. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 14.12.2018 23:09 |
Quite a few thing annoyed me: -Treating him being gay as something dirty - Paul Prenter being seen as turning him gay and forcing him into orgies (people on youtube actually have said that) and having a relationship with Freddie - Freddie being portrayed as this little child, alone at Garden Lodge waiting for Mary to flicker on a damn light. again, this has led many people to believe that it was true, while we know he had very close friends, two of whom we are lucky enough to have posting here - The fake meet cute with Jim. Honestly the way they met in real life was cuter, I think, considering Jim told him to fuck right off - Adding to the item above, they focused a lot on Mary and not enough on Jim. - The band seeing him as this party animal who showed up late and didn't give a shit. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 14.12.2018 23:14 |
Gosh I'm so sorry for the triple replies |
| runner_70 15.12.2018 07:16 |
Sweetandtenderhooligan wrote: Quite a few thing annoyed me: -Treating him being gay as something dirty - Paul Prenter being seen as turning him gay and forcing him into orgies (people on youtube actually have said that) and having a relationship with Freddie - Freddie being portrayed as this little child, alone at Garden Lodge waiting for Mary to flicker on a damn light. again, this has led many people to believe that it was true, while we know he had very close friends, two of whom we are lucky enough to have posting here - The fake meet cute with Jim. Honestly the way they met in real life was cuter, I think, considering Jim told him to fuck right off - Adding to the item above, they focused a lot on Mary and not enough on Jim. - The band seeing him as this party animal who showed up late and didn't give a shit.There are even more parts that are disgusting |
| Golden Salmon 15.12.2018 09:48 |
'Bohemian Rhapsody' Rocks Past $600M WW, Becomes All-Time Top Music Biopic Holy shit! |
| matt z 21.12.2018 17:27 |
just a side note... I believe FANDANGO deleted my review. (They limit you to 900 characters)... So the recreated one ...here; ** (two stars of five) IS THIS THE FILM THEY CREATED??? WHAT DID THEY DO IT FOR?.. Seems that any unfavorable review is getting deleted. I'll post briefly again. The film was 12+ years in the making when it was over, I was shocked that THIS was the film they finally made. The SCRIPT is atrocious! Everything (EVERYTHING) is corny self declatory exposition We'll be the greatest band ever! Unique! Except that we're outsiders and we'll play to the loners freaks..etc".. Absurd stuff. Nevermind Fred talking gallantly about his teeth (something which irked him his whole life) Granted the film had about two good dramatic scenes (Fred + Mary "breaking up" and The fictitious PRESS CONFERENCE) the rest was turd city. The band hardly even comes off as the behemoth they were LIVE. Nor does their hard work show up here. If you believed this you'd think Bri and Rog are saints, that John was expendible, and that Queen self financed their first record. This is all absurd. The live scenes were very disappointing. Hell they even used grainy Digital sourced video for the credits! C- My first review mentioned that it seemed like an incomplete incoherent mess.. but hell.. I dunno. Has anybody else experienced censorship for talking about this film? |
| Blackvy 21.12.2018 19:00 |
matt, I couldn't agree with you more on that. |
| runner_70 21.12.2018 20:16 |
Still a huge disappointment |
| pholidota 21.12.2018 20:48 |
matt z wrote: If you believed this you'd think Bri and Rog are saintsI could maybe agree on portrayal Brian, but I don't think that sleeping around and cheating on your partner (I'm not going to say 'wife', as I believe Roger and Dominique weren't married at that point) is considered saintly, and they kind of clearly stated in the film that's what Roger was doing. Curious they managed to work those jabs in, for the little time other band members spent on screen. There was a scene where they meet John for the first time. Apparently, it'll be on the DVD extras. Sad it was cut out of the film. |
| matt z 22.12.2018 01:48 |
Well...^ yeah. It'd probably be another phony creation. They just wanted to turn the first half into a road "buddy" picture. Much to the detriment of the band's work (deemed boring) creation deemed (boring) and scholarly work (deemed boring) So of course Brian's homemade singular guitar gets no mention neither does Deacy's amp. Neither does any "recorded in downtime" stuff (boring) Neither the rigging. Nor monumental gigs nor BIG SPENDER nor DEATH ON TWO LEGS nor any crucial stuff the band did. Save change managers with more frontal exposition. I stillreally don't know what audiences were seeing cause i don't catch it at all. |
| Thrill Yeti 22.12.2018 09:43 |
Just downloaded the Live Aid segment of the film off of YouTube and compared it to the real thing, audio wise. It IS Freddie's voice (and the others' instruments), which means, as Brian claimed on Instagram, they found a multi track of Live Aid. This of course raises the question of why the mixes on the soundtrack were the low quality mixes we already had. It also raises the question of at what point they found this multitrack. We know Martel recorded the vocal improv that was in the trailer, and I feel like when we saw that leaked footage of them rehearsing the Live Aid segment that Malek was lip syncing to Martel's voice. Maybe they got hold of the multi track after they shot that performance, and previously Marcus had recorded the whole vocal. Anyway, there are plenty of edits to the Live Aid songs in the film. The most shameful of which is that they actually extent Freddie's sustained A4 in the vocal improv by probably over a second. Ridiculous. As if the original wasn't impressive enough. Most of the other edits are just chopping things for length. There's a weird edit in the first verse of Bohemian Rhapsody which seems to be there to fit with Malek's lip syncing. |
| emrabt 22.12.2018 11:23 |
Thrill Yeti wrote: It also raises the question of at what point they found this multitrack.Woodcharm (Geldof's company) may have always had it, remember when the DVD set of Live Aid was released in the Mid 2000's and they patched up a lot of Vocal problems, re-recorded Paul Mccartney's Let It Be, removed the feedback squeak from Crazy Little Thing Called Love and the technicans talking about raido mic's during Is This The World We Created. |
| runner_70 22.12.2018 12:45 |
matt z wrote: Well...^ yeah. It'd probably be another phony creation. They just wanted to turn the first half into a road "buddy" picture. Much to the detriment of the band's work (deemed boring) creation deemed (boring) and scholarly work (deemed boring) So of course Brian's homemade singular guitar gets no mention neither does Deacy's amp. Neither does any "recorded in downtime" stuff (boring) Neither the rigging. Nor monumental gigs nor BIG SPENDER nor DEATH ON TWO LEGS nor any crucial stuff the band did. Save change managers with more frontal exposition. I stillreally don't know what audiences were seeing cause i don't catch it at all.Me neither - 95% of the comments are very postive and it is hard to believe that any Queen or Freddie fan would love such a lousy superficial flick full of inaccuracies and blatant lies |
| runner_70 22.12.2018 12:47 |
We know Martel recorded the vocal improv that was in the trailer,Do we? IMHO it is 100% Freddie |
| spiralstatic 22.12.2018 15:15 |
I find it fascinating from a few people in this topic and in other places to read people siding with or against Mary and Jim as if that's what it is: some kind of battle. Who did Freddie love most? And the other *side*/person must be irrelevant or a bad person somehow. And in terms of the film that people perceive it as hiding Freddie's sexuality or as being anti-gay. The film is far from perfect, and I seem to be very much in a minority in having found it really moving despite its flaws, and even though the historical (& even musical) inaccuracies and the sheer saintliness of Brian did annoy me somewhat. But I don't at all think the film is anti gay, nor does it hide the fact that Freddie was gay. Is the fact that Freddie and Mary's relationship is a huge focus seen as the main issue here? Because it is the main focus, but the implication is not at all that Freddie was straight - from the very first scenes there are allusions to Freddie's interest in men (a guy checks him out just before he sees Mary for the first time) and throughout the film is very clear that he is gay... and yes Paul Prenter is there as the evil villain, but he is only one person and film-Freddie has quite clearly shown his sexual desires before Paul becomes a factor in the film. (In fact I feel Paul could have been portrayed worse than he is, I think.) From his own words and from their closeness, Freddie clearly did love Mary, but not in a romantic or sexual way. But in a way that seems to have maybe been deeper than the level at least of trust he got to with any lover. But that doesn't mean there wasn't love and passion in his romantic relationships. By all accounts there seems to have been very much indeed and not only with Jim. But maybe there was seldom that much peace? Anyway, I have no idea. I hope he loved and was happy with Jim by the end and I hope he loved Mary too and I'm pretty sure he did. Like all sorts of things such as people discussing who songs are about and having the view no song could be about Mary or every song must be about Mary sort of thing too. I don't understand the way of thinking. Back to the film. As I say, it wasn't the best quality film ever, but it moved me and I enjoyed it which is more than enough for me. And it sort of brought me more fully back into the true Queen obsessive I was for over 10 years of my childhood and teens, so I am totally grateful for that. On a negative, is anyone else irked at times by Martel's voice in the film? His tone and timbre is mainly so very like Freddie's, yet his emotion and phrasing is not Freddie and somehow the similarity juxtaposed with this lack gives me a pang of pain. I wish they had had enough separated vocal tracks of Freddie that they could have used his voice only. (For Martel, specifically the Love of my Life and Bohemian Rhapsody composing scenes in the film are where it gets me - especially the way Martel ends his singing each of these.) |
| Thrill Yeti 22.12.2018 16:32 |
@runner_70 It was never confirmed who sang that vocal improv in the trailer, but from the moment I heard it I thought it wasn't Freddie. If it is his Live Aid vocal then they have put a VERY weird cleanup effect on it that isn't on it in the final film. Which would be an odd thing to do, just for the trailer. |
| runner_70 22.12.2018 16:38 |
For me it was 110% Freddie -just compare the recordings |
| Thrill Yeti 22.12.2018 16:58 |
This video gives quite a good analysis of the two recordings, Freddie's and Marc's: link |
| Ivo-1976 28.12.2018 21:05 |
After much hesitation I decided to have a go with it. Touching at some points, but too much fiction on many occasions. "Brian and John" were quite realistic in looks and behaviour. I found Roger out of key with his true character. Had some very odd moments in the film, very un-roger-ish. And Freddie...well...it didn't work for me. Not the looks, the voice, the acting. The storyline was nice-Hollywood-proof, but it was not the story of Queen and Freddie for me. However, I can understand why they ended with a highlight and not the sight of a dying man. In the end, they showed Freddie as an entertainer, not a patient. But as said before, it is not a documentary. But still, it could and maybe should have been better. Here in The Netherlands, it is a blockbuster however. |
| Dusta 02.01.2020 20:06 |
I hated the movie. It made me angry, and sad for Freddie. It is like they were angry at him(for being gay? For getting most of the attention?), but were afraid to say so while he was alive, so did this movie instead. The *inaccuracies* were self serving and gratuitous. I cannot believe anybody close(Roger) to Freddie actually sanctioned the film. They had this one chance...this one chance...and all they could see was an opportunity to make certain folks knew that Freddie was always late for the studio, left the band to go solo when they would NEVER do such a thing, and that they were kind enough to forgive him. Oh yeah, and that Brian came up with WWRY and the guitar solo in Bo Rhap. |
| runner_70 04.01.2020 11:49 |
Dusta wrote: I hated the movie. It made me angry, and sad for Freddie. It is like they were angry at him(for being gay? For getting most of the attention?), but were afraid to say so while he was alive, so did this movie instead. The *inaccuracies* were self serving and gratuitous. I cannot believe anybody close(Roger) to Freddie actually sanctioned the film. They had this one chance...this one chance...and all they could see was an opportunity to make certain folks knew that Freddie was always late for the studio, left the band to go solo when they would NEVER do such a thing, and that they were kind enough to forgive him. Oh yeah, and that Brian came up with WWRY and the guitar solo in Bo Rhap.110% Spot on. This movie is a slap in the face for any Queen and especially Freddie fan. Maylor should be ashamed of themselves |
| brENsKi 04.01.2020 12:07 |
runner_70 wrote:110% Spot on. This movie is a slap in the face for any Queen and especially Freddie fan. Maylor should be ashamed of themselvesNo it isn't. It's a "slap in the face" to the Freddie-obsessed Stepfords like yourself. Stepfords, sychophants and Farrokhophiles, who have no life whatsoever outside of the discussion forums - providing a vehicle for their rancid attacks on anything that fails to conform to their own ideological view of how things are in their Freddieland Fairytale. Sadly (for you), your utterly pathetic "truth" is nothing like that of the real world. Have you *any* other drums to bang Gerry? We ALL know you hate everything Brian and Roger do - we get it. It's a movie, a piece of entertainment - not a documentary or critique. get the fuck over it. |
| runner_70 04.01.2020 12:34 |
brENsKi wrote:I am not Gerry you sad fucktart. Believe all your Maylor lies you sad asshat fanboy and get the hell out of here you moron. The Fairytale you talk about is the Maylor Histoy rewrite you assclownrunner_70 wrote:110% Spot on. This movie is a slap in the face for any Queen and especially Freddie fan. Maylor should be ashamed of themselvesNo it isn't. It's a "slap in the face" to the Freddie-obsessed Stepfords like yourself. Stepfords, sychophants and Farrokhophiles, who have no life whatsoever outside of the discussion forums - providing a vehicle for their rancid attacks on anything that fails to conform to their own ideological view of how things are in their Freddieland Fairytale. Sadly (for you), your utterly pathetic "truth" is nothing like that of the real world. Have you *any* other drums to bang Gerry? We ALL know you hate everything Brian and Roger do - we get it. It's a movie, a piece of entertainment - not a documentary or critique. get the fuck over it. |
| brENsKi 04.01.2020 12:55 |
runner_70 wrote:Your use of language, spelling, punctuation and grammar would indicate all to the contrary.brENsKi wrote:I am not Gerry you sad fucktart. Believe all your Maylor lies you sad asshat fanboy and get the hell out of here you moron. The Fairytale you talk about is the Maylor Histoy rewrite you assclownrunner_70 wrote:110% Spot on. This movie is a slap in the face for any Queen and especially Freddie fan. Maylor should be ashamed of themselvesNo it isn't. It's a "slap in the face" to the Freddie-obsessed Stepfords like yourself. Stepfords, sychophants and Farrokhophiles, who have no life whatsoever outside of the discussion forums - providing a vehicle for their rancid attacks on anything that fails to conform to their own ideological view of how things are in their Freddieland Fairytale. Sadly (for you), your utterly pathetic "truth" is nothing like that of the real world. Have you *any* other drums to bang Gerry? We ALL know you hate everything Brian and Roger do - we get it. It's a movie, a piece of entertainment - not a documentary or critique. get the fuck over it. Think I touched a nerve, here, Geraldine. |
| runner_70 04.01.2020 16:24 |
brENsKi wrote:And you are that de-dop guy. HE started this as well. You know how he ended :)runner_70 wrote:Your use of language, spelling, punctuation and grammar would indicate all to the contrary. Think I touched a nerve, here, Geraldine.brENsKi wrote:I am not Gerry you sad fucktart. Believe all your Maylor lies you sad asshat fanboy and get the hell out of here you moron. The Fairytale you talk about is the Maylor Histoy rewrite you assclownrunner_70 wrote:110% Spot on. This movie is a slap in the face for any Queen and especially Freddie fan. Maylor should be ashamed of themselvesNo it isn't. It's a "slap in the face" to the Freddie-obsessed Stepfords like yourself. Stepfords, sychophants and Farrokhophiles, who have no life whatsoever outside of the discussion forums - providing a vehicle for their rancid attacks on anything that fails to conform to their own ideological view of how things are in their Freddieland Fairytale. Sadly (for you), your utterly pathetic "truth" is nothing like that of the real world. Have you *any* other drums to bang Gerry? We ALL know you hate everything Brian and Roger do - we get it. It's a movie, a piece of entertainment - not a documentary or critique. get the fuck over it. |
| brENsKi 04.01.2020 16:32 |
runner_70 wrote:And you are that de-dop guy. HE started this as well. You know how he ended :)I'm not. and (as I have been away from QZ 3yrs), I am unaware of how "he ended" [sic]. How's things @ St Nicholas', Gerry? |
| Holly2003 10.03.2020 20:43 |
This is an old interview about Hot Space and around the time of the alleged band break up. It's interesting to hear what they have to say especially in light of the film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxN0ywYERlo Some points: -- Hot Space was mostly Fred's idea -- Brian, Rog & John have no problem with Fred doing a solo album -- Queen is their vehicle and solo projects are a side interest and yet ... Fred seems really defensive about HS and MrBG, and his comments about his relationship with the others suggests some undercurrent of tension or dissatisfaction. Oh, and John's comments about Burroughs and drugs are interesting. I think this was before John flew of to Bali to take magic mushrooms. |
| AlbaNo1 10.03.2020 22:43 |
For sure there were tensions, but they were relatively honest about it. It’s when you don’t talk about something that more damaging events can occur. Freddie comes off as super sharp and powerful. Love the John comment on meeting William Burroughs, that hints at quite an interesting persona. |
| brENsKi 11.03.2020 16:12 |
AlbaNo1 wrote:For sure there were tensions, but they were relatively honest about it. It’s when you don’t talk about something that more damaging events can occur. Freddie comes off as super sharp and powerful. Love the John comment on meeting William Burroughs, that hints at quite an interesting persona.i think there's some very revealing comments in there: Roger: i think we've come to realise really, that, that particular direction - a whole album of that - isn't really what people want from us. there's a Bank of Queen calculated nature about that. it says. the whole thing has to be about doing whatever keeps the greenbacks rolling in. shame really, this could be the point where Queen stopped leading and became followers? there's also the use of the word "that" rather than defining the genre of music - there's almost and underlying contempt in Roger the Rockers tone. it might have been interesting also to hear the unexpurgated lyrics for Radio Ga Ga. |
| kosimodo 11.03.2020 18:12 |
“it might have been interesting also to hear the unexpurgated lyrics for Radio Ga Ga. “ Are there any rumours about that?! |
| brENsKi 11.03.2020 18:51 |
kosimodo wrote:“it might have been interesting also to hear the unexpurgated lyrics for Radio Ga Ga. “ Are there any rumours about that?!not that i'm aware of. there's little more than Freddie's reference of a significant lyric change from 1m42s > 2m19s. there's nothing in there to suggest the "original" lyrics were ever recorded. so it may be that Roger presented his "1st draft", Freddie tried them, found it too dark and contributed to a "less heavy" lyric. |
| MisterCosmicc 11.03.2020 20:51 |
Holly2003 wrote: This is an old interview about Hot Space and around the time of the alleged band break up. It's interesting to hear what they have to say especially in light of the film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxN0ywYERlo Some points: -- Hot Space was mostly Fred's idea -- Brian, Rog & John have no problem with Fred doing a solo album -- Queen is their vehicle and solo projects are a side interest and yet ... Fred seems really defensive about HS and MrBG, and his comments about his relationship with the others suggests some undercurrent of tension or dissatisfaction. Oh, and John's comments about Burroughs and drugs are interesting. I think this was before John flew of to Bali to take magic mushrooms.Please don’t forget about Brian’s past rants about the Mr. Bad Guy album. |