| Katby 20.10.2018 19:44 |
Has anyone bought a copy? Here's a link to the official press release: link "John Deacon was and remains the most restrained member of Queen, allowing his bass to do the talking while the other, larger personalities took over the limelight. Indeed, since the premature departure of Queen singer Freddie Mercury in 1991, Deacon has been largely silent, choosing in recent years to live his life entirely out of the public eye. That doesn’t stop us saluting his huge contribution to our world, though, and here we take a close look at the great man’s catalogue, gear and techniques. I’m especially pleased that Queen’s two other members, Brian May and Roger Taylor, officially approve of this month’s cover feature, and believe me, this issue will be winging its way to Queen HQ the moment it comes out." |
| The Real Wizard 20.10.2018 23:20 |
Katby wrote: I’m especially pleased that Queen’s two other members, Brian May and Roger Taylor, officially approve of this month’s cover featureThat's really nice to hear, as so little is said about their relationship nowadays. |
| Star* 21.10.2018 11:42 |
Who cares if May & Taylor approve of this months front cover as they have had bad lapses in taste for the past ten years. Deacon remains my second favourite Queen member because he kept his sense of dignity. |
| Golden Salmon 21.10.2018 12:33 |
John is so underrated and never in the limelight whenever Queen is brought up everywhere but maybe here. But he never really wanted to be prominent, so it's kind like he wants it to be. I'd love to find out more about the article, if it provides any interesting nugget about him. |
| Dr Magus 21.10.2018 14:12 |
I was looking for this mag all over town and couldn't find it anywhere. |
| mooghead 21.10.2018 14:58 |
It is pretty sinister if the approval of Roger and Brian needs to be sought for Bass Guitar magazine to do a feature on John Deacon? What the hell? |
| The Real Wizard 21.10.2018 15:37 |
Mr Right wrote: Deacon remains my second favourite Queen member because he kept his sense of dignity.If he had a sense of "dignity" as you see it, he'd reject the royalty cheques from the band's latest tours. He is still 1/3 of the business end of things, and he has given the green light to virtually everything they've done in the last 20 years. |
| The Real Wizard 21.10.2018 15:38 |
mooghead wrote: It is pretty sinister if the approval of Roger and Brian needs to be sought for Bass Guitar magazine to do a feature on John Deacon? What the hell?I highly doubt their approval was "required". Approval doesn't necessarily entail being part of the decision making process. It just means they're happy it came out, as not much is written about him anymore. |
| Star* 21.10.2018 16:01 |
Real Wizard Deacon may have given the green light but at least he knows his conscience is clear and he never got involved physically on stage with the circus of Queen+. He had the common sense to realise after Freddie passed away that Queen would never be the same even if they did continue. He still deserves the royalties as he was a valuable member of Queen all those years and he worked damn hard for the money. |
| Golden Salmon 21.10.2018 17:09 |
I really don't think it's a question of integrity, but more like he is not cut out to be a rock star his whole life. He's been living a quiet life for a while and I don't think that will ever change. |
| dysan 21.10.2018 17:43 |
They're just happy another small enclave of people will get the forthcoming film rammed down their eyes. This time, people who play 5 string basses. |
| NastyQueenie74 21.10.2018 18:09 |
dysan wrote: This time, people who play 5 string basses.Hey...... |
| mooghead 21.10.2018 18:44 |
"I highly doubt their approval was "required". Approval doesn't necessarily entail being part of the decision making process. It just means they're happy it came out, as not much is written about him anymore" But why go to them anyway? Are the music press so terrified about saying something wrong, they might get sued? Is that the reason most of the early reviews so far have been mainly positive? Have they become bullies? And as for JD.. sitting back in his armchair watching the millions roll in while the other two fuck up the legacy, after all future generations will only know Queen with him and Freddie in it. Pretty fucking clever if you ask me. Respect to the man. |
| Star* 21.10.2018 20:29 |
I see it as poor kids of today will look back at Queen in 10 years time and only remember Queen+ Adam Lambert, how fucking sad will that be eh? |
| Negative Creep 21.10.2018 20:47 |
"If he had a sense of "dignity" as you see it, he'd reject the royalty cheques from the band's latest tours. " Err, what? So for JD to have any dignity, he should forgo any royalty payments from songs he has songwriting credits on that they have chosen to perform? OOOOkay. |
| Negative Creep 21.10.2018 21:05 |
"he has given the green light to virtually everything they've done in the last 20 years. " No he hasn't - he removed himself from essentially all decision making. Stop talking shite. |
| Katby 21.10.2018 23:26 |
As we're on the topic of John Deacon and his relationship with Brian May, Roger Taylor and Queen in general - I may as well share my thoughts on the subject. During his promotional tour for Queen in 3D, Brian May spoke at Disney Studios. A member of the audience recorded his slideshow presentation and uploaded it to YouTube. At one point (at the 9:27 mark of this video: link, Brian shows a picture of John and says, "This is John. The lovely John Deacon, who sadly I never see these days, because he's become very reclusive. But here he is, in fine form, comparing his stereoscopic self with his mono self. He got into it. He took a lot of stereo pictures himself. He enjoyed it. I'd love to see those sometime, maybe he'll do a book, I don't know." I found that quote very interesting. Firstly, it shows that Brian still has some affection for John, even though he never sees him. Secondly, it shows the extent of John's current involvement with Queen. Apparently, John has his own collection of stereo pictures, but they're not included in the book. Seemingly, Brian hasn't even seen them. Either John refused to share them, or the Queen team didn't ask for them. In either case, it demonstrates that John has virtually nothing to do with Queen anymore. If he had any real involvement with their current projects, his stereo pictures would have been included, or at least seen by Brian. Just think about how weird it is, that one band member compiling a book of stereoscopic Queen pictures, hasn't even seen the stereoscopic picture collection of another band member. Additionally, Greg Brooks (Queen's archivist) was interviewed on The Vinyl Guide podcast and was asked whether John is involved in the conversations about new products (at the 17:58 mark of the podcast: link, he says "John? No, not as far as I'm aware. John is really in retirement mode. I'm sure at levels far above my level, that there must be liaison and he's kept in the loop but not that I'm aware of - that would be at management and band level..." It's seems clear that John isn't involved in the production, design or creation of new products. More recently, Joe Mazzello, who is playing the role of John Deacon in the movie, was interviewed. When asked about John (at the 0:41 mark of this video: link, he says "John is a very private person. I don't want to speak for him completely, but after Freddie died, he was really affected by that and sort of felt like Queen was with Freddie. After that, he distanced himself from it. But I was actually able to sit down with one of his sons and talk for like four hours..." I thought that quote was very revealing, mainly because he talked to John's son for four hours. His comments about John could be dismissed as speculation he read on the internet, but the fact that he spoke to John's son and spent time on set with Brian and Roger, makes me believe his comments are accurate. I don't believe that John hates Brian and Roger, or that they hate John. I think they've simply chosen different paths. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 21.10.2018 23:34 |
I like your argument Kaltby. I think, also, John doesn't hate them, but he doesn't like what are doing under the name of Queen. In an article from the 90's, John said without Freddie, is impossible to carry on. Perhaps because the only card at that moment was George Michael and George said no? Who knows... |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 21.10.2018 23:36 |
And another thing, is obvious John and Brian tastes in music are very different. I mean, he and Freddie hated Gimme the prize. One year of love or Cool Cat, even AOBTD, has nothing with May's music taste. |
| The Real Wizard 22.10.2018 04:34 |
Mr Right wrote: I see it as poor kids of today will look back at Queen in 10 years time and only remember Queen+ Adam Lambert, how fucking sad will that be eh?Because of all of those Queen + Adam Lambert albums that will be replacing Queen albums in the record shops, and on the radio, and in films, and on their youtube channel. Is it possible for you to say a single thing that makes sense? You've had 1107 chances, and it still hasn't happened yet. |
| The Real Wizard 22.10.2018 04:36 |
Negative Creep wrote: "he has given the green light to virtually everything they've done in the last 20 years. " No he hasn't - he removed himself from essentially all decision making. Stop talking shite.Nope - they consult him about everything, usually through through lawyers. They've said it numerous times. He's 1/3 of the business, so they still need to work with him, recluse or not. It's obviously more difficult this way, but work still needs to be done. Someone posted their financial statements here a few weeks back, so you can see for yourself: link If he wanted out, he could take a lump sum and be done with it. But he's still in the mix. He's just not a performing member anymore. And every time they go on the road, they always ask him to come back. Kind of heart-warming, actually. |
| The Real Wizard 22.10.2018 04:53 |
Katby wrote: Additionally, Greg Brooks (Queen's archivist) was interviewed on The Vinyl Guide podcast and was asked whether John is involved in the conversations about new products (at the 17:58 mark of the podcast: link, he says "John? No, not as far as I'm aware. John is really in retirement mode. I'm sure at levels far above my level, that there must be liaison and he's kept in the loop but not that I'm aware of - that would be at management and band level..."That's the key words - "that I'm aware of." Brooks is lower on the totem pole, so he's not privy to these kinds of things. That's a good and honest answer from him. |
| Ivo-1976 22.10.2018 07:22 |
I respect John's decisions, but I regret that he didn't do a proper farewell to his fans. A last interview, some sort of goodbye...he just faded away in '97 without an explanation and that was it. |
| Vocal harmony 22.10.2018 12:32 |
Mr Right wrote: Real Wizard Deacon may have given the green light but at least he knows his conscience is clear and he never got involved physically on stage with the circus of Queen+. He had the common sense to realise after Freddie passed away that Queen would never be the same even if they did continue. He still deserves the royalties as he was a valuable member of Queen all those years and he worked damn hard for the money.He deserves his royalty cheques even though he has done nothing with them since 1997, but Brian and Roger who have kept the Queen name alive and current don't? He didn't leave the band, he retired from the music business, and he didn't do that when ( according to you) Freddie died, he continued to work with the band under the Queen+ name for six years before he retired. |
| Sebastian 22.10.2018 13:18 |
When people turn their admiration for celebrities into a religion, then they obviously go for fantasy stories and Hollywood-esque narratives rather than the more realistic conclusion one could draw from the evidence. - John, the poor old socially-secluded hermit who, over a quarter of a century after Frederick's death, still hasn't gotten over it and cries to sleep every night thinking of how those evil Maylor chaps are allegedly ruining the legacy he worked so hard for, possibly using the multi-million-quid cheques to wipe his tears away with. vs - John, the clever millionaire businessman who's found a way to keep earning even more without lifting a finger. Same as with other topics (14 times vs 4, 180 overdubs vs 25-ish, 1st place on the Ivor's vs 2nd place, 7-minute-long vs 5:55, last recordings in October/November rather than May, etc). |
| bucsateflon 22.10.2018 13:52 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: I like your argument Kaltby. I think, also, John doesn't hate them, but he doesn't like what are doing under the name of Queen. In an article from the 90's, John said without Freddie, is impossible to carry on. Perhaps because the only card at that moment was George Michael and George said no? Who knows...and they never carried on, in the real sense. George Michael was not a rock singer, he was really unfit to be the lead singer of Queen. Brian May admitted this fact when he said GM was scared after seeing the hole "Queen machine" in full mode preparing for the Freddie live tribute at Wembley. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 22.10.2018 14:50 |
Well, if Adam Lambert can sign WWRY, why not George? George did also a brilliant performance with 39'. |
| Dr Magus 22.10.2018 16:10 |
If John ever did decide to run away to join the circus it would have to be called Queen & John Deacon + Adam Lambert. So i can fully understand his reluctance. |
| Katby 22.10.2018 16:27 |
As I said earlier in the thread, I think Brian and Roger simply chose a different path to John. I think there's enough evidence to show that John was affected by Freddie's death, but as Sebastian said, that doesn't mean he cries himself to sleep at night all these years later. He obviously isn't directly involved with Queen anymore, but that doesn't mean John hates Brian and Roger. He still gives them permission to use his songs and Brian and Roger seemingly still like (and miss) John. According to their Twitter page, Brian gives an "affectionate insight" into John, in Bass Guitar Magazine, but I still haven't been able to find a copy in the shops. I'm also curious about the claim on the cover that "the world's greatest bassists salute the master". There could be some interesting quotes, in there. Has anyone found a copy yet? It's supposed to be available from WHSmiths, in the UK. |
| Star* 22.10.2018 16:41 |
George Michael is a much more classy act than Adam Lambert ever will be. He put everything into his performance at Freddies tribute concert and he never came across as arrogant or big headed to take over Brian John or Roger unlike Lambert who thinks he is it. Best thing of all is that George & Freddie were good friends. |
| Rick 22.10.2018 18:02 |
I don't know who is more enigmatic: John Deacon or Mark Hollis of Talk Talk. |
| Star* 22.10.2018 19:16 |
Katby : John Deacon hated Robbie Williams working with Queen so why would any one think he is ok with Lambert trolling the stage with Queen? John has suffered crippling depression for many years and Freddie's death the main cause. |
| Ivo-1976 22.10.2018 19:22 |
@Mr Right Are you his shrink? |
| emrabt 22.10.2018 20:00 |
Basically he's a silent partner, but still a partner. |
| Hitman 22.10.2018 23:04 |
let's not forget John has got a family with 6 kids. In the 90s he probably considered the family was a much better way to lead his "lucky" wealthy millionaire life rather then keep working on a project he felt was over. Nobody can judge his decision, after all. |
| Sebastian 22.10.2018 23:24 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Well, if Adam Lambert can sign WWRY, why not George?Because he's dead. Katby wrote: He obviously isn't directly involved with Queen anymoreHe obviously is. The cheques, presumably, are directly addressed to him. He's not performing anymore, but it doesn't mean he's not involved. |
| *goodco* 23.10.2018 00:40 |
The thread was about John Deacon being on a magazine cover. gerryhappystarMrWrong has to make it about Q+AL. Why not post on that subforum about your obsession with Adam, as you so often make that comment to others? |
| Katby 23.10.2018 01:08 |
Sebastian, you've misunderstood me. When I say "directly involved", I mean that he doesn't speak to Brian and Roger, or attend creative meetings, etc. Yes, he clearly signs the necessary paperwork and happily takes his share of the money. But he doesn't debate their touring tracklist, or assist in the audio production of the movie soundtrack, or contribute his stereo pictures to Queen in 3D, etc. As interesting as this discussion is, as goodco has said, I made this thread to let people know that John was being featured in Bass Guitar Magazine. It's quite amazing how the conversation has drifted. |
| The Real Wizard 23.10.2018 01:59 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Bang on.Mr Right wrote: Real Wizard Deacon may have given the green light but at least he knows his conscience is clear and he never got involved physically on stage with the circus of Queen+. He had the common sense to realise after Freddie passed away that Queen would never be the same even if they did continue. He still deserves the royalties as he was a valuable member of Queen all those years and he worked damn hard for the money.He deserves his royalty cheques even though he has done nothing with them since 1997, but Brian and Roger who have kept the Queen name alive and current don't? He didn't leave the band, he retired from the music business, and he didn't do that when ( according to you) Freddie died, he continued to work with the band under the Queen+ name for six years before he retired. |
| The Real Wizard 23.10.2018 02:01 |
Mr Wrong wrote: John Deacon hated Robbie Williams working with Queen so why would any one think he is ok with Lambert trolling the stage with Queen?Deacon said he didn't like the Williams version of We Are The Champions. Deacon has publicly said nothing about Lambert. Therefore you are wrong to suggest Deacon disapproves. This is not a rational supporting argument. Do I need to write it in crayon, or can you comprehend that? |
| Sebastian 23.10.2018 03:12 |
I've always thought that the 2001 article with John slamming Robert was 'fake news'. Wouldn't be the first or the last time such a thing happened. |
| bucsateflon 23.10.2018 06:57 |
Deacon's wife is to blame for his departure. |
| dysan 23.10.2018 07:20 |
I'll see if I can find it at lunch and post snaps here. Obviously I'll go to WHSmiths in disguise, or discretely tuck the bass magazine between the pages of Razzle or Erotic Horses. |
| dysan 23.10.2018 11:51 |
I could not get a visual, I repeat I could not get a visual. |
| matt z 23.10.2018 14:50 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I call your bluff. ....LET'S SEE THE CRAYON!Mr Wrong wrote: John Deacon hated Robbie Williams working with Queen so why would any one think he is ok with Lambert trolling the stage with Queen?Deacon said he didn't like the Williams version of We Are The Champions. Deacon has publicly said nothing about Lambert. Therefore you are wrong to suggest Deacon disapproves. This is not a rational supporting argument. Do I need to write it in crayon, or can you comprehend that? #BRINGONTHECRAYON |
| Star* 23.10.2018 18:26 |
wrong because i read Deacon disliked Robbie fronting Queen, so your theory is up in smoke. |
| The Real Wizard 23.10.2018 19:31 |
matt z wrote:A recent candid shot of Mr Right. He already beat me to it.The Real Wizard wrote:I call your bluff. ....LET'S SEE THE CRAYON! #BRINGONTHECRAYONMr Wrong wrote: John Deacon hated Robbie Williams working with Queen so why would any one think he is ok with Lambert trolling the stage with Queen?Deacon said he didn't like the Williams version of We Are The Champions. Deacon has publicly said nothing about Lambert. Therefore you are wrong to suggest Deacon disapproves. This is not a rational supporting argument. Do I need to write it in crayon, or can you comprehend that? |
| Dr Magus 24.10.2018 10:32 |
Still can't find it in WHSmiths or anyewhere else. What a pain in the arse. |
| dysan 24.10.2018 10:33 |
Maybe it was a cruel hoax by the OP. |
| rockchic65 24.10.2018 10:55 |
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| rockchic65 24.10.2018 11:30 |
dysan wrote: Maybe it was a cruel hoax by the OP.Ignore my last post, I'll remove it, just noticed on Bass Guitar website it's 2017, must not be showing anything current. I need to learn to read!! |
| dysan 24.10.2018 11:31 |
This truly is a head scratcher. Perhaps the Everett-Wheeler model of quantum mechanics is correct and many parallel dimensions exist all at the same time and this is an anomaly that has bled through into our dimension because such negligible events as required have been satisfied? I'd say it's plausible. |
| rockchic65 24.10.2018 11:47 |
Just noticed Queen tweeted it on the 20th Oct - link |
| Star* 24.10.2018 20:49 |
I think this picture speaks volumes! Actually it is the truth. |
| dysan 25.10.2018 10:41 |
I win the thread |
| dysan 25.10.2018 10:42 |
Lots of nice mags out at the moment. One had a double sided poster with a cool 1978 live shot on it. |
| dysan 25.10.2018 10:43 |
Pages 1 and 2 |
| dysan 25.10.2018 10:44 |
3-4 |
| dysan 25.10.2018 10:47 |
5 |
| cmsdrums 25.10.2018 11:09 |
I picked up a copy of it in WH Smith yesterday (in Kent) so it is 'out there'. |
| dysan 25.10.2018 11:17 |
Did you take some pictures? I’d love to see it. |
| Vocal harmony 25.10.2018 11:26 |
Mr Right wrote: I think this picture speaks volumes! Actually it is the truth.You mean Freddie couldn't out sing Lambert so he stood on his head |
| Star* 25.10.2018 14:31 |
VH If Freddie was here today he would wipe the fucking floor with that nobody Lambert and your face would drop. |
| Chopin1995 25.10.2018 14:36 |
Thank you for sharing, Dysan! |
| The Real Wizard 25.10.2018 16:18 |
dysan wrote: 3-4Thanks for posting these. Any chance you could do a better scan of page 4? It'll be a month or two before the mag is on shelves here. |
| dysan 25.10.2018 17:07 |
Yeah sorry just took the pictures quickly. I left it at work so maybe someone else can post better ones? |
| Katby 26.10.2018 00:12 |
Thank you very much, Dysan! I'm glad to see the magazine actually exists and wasn't just a figment of my imagination. If you or anyone else could post some more pictures at some point, it would be appreciated. |