| fras444 26.09.2018 05:57 |
What was the real reason behind the sharing of credits behind Miracle... or a fresh look into this album.... I use to believe that it was a brave comming together as a band because of Freddie and with regards to the limited time he had left the final hurragh and a comming together as one big happy family ..... But more I read on various sites....more I believe it was more because of the early to mid 80s and how much the band had fallen apart through egos and arguments and wanting to do their own work to forfill their artistic differences hence the only way they could really make it work was to share credits to the rest of the band... Who exactly came up with the initial idea how did the band respond initially... was it at the beginning or during the middle of the album sessions.... If it was Freddies illness.. means that the band knew he was sick Jan 88.... Contrary to the band members finding out later on... When you see new docos it was because he was sick and it was a comming together as a band but older docos and various articles suggests it was more to do with egos and realising the solo career was a lot harder than thought let's just eliminate the ego thing and everyone is the creator..... |
| ANAGRAMER 26.09.2018 06:10 |
In all likelihood it was Jim Beach If one of the band suggested the idea, I would think it would have been dumped on from on high but we'll never know |
| aristide1 26.09.2018 07:42 |
So basically, after seeing some docos, reading various sites, and a deep thinking process, you end up believing the same thing you already believe - less ego because of Freddie's illness. A full load of crapos my friend. |
| Martin Packer 26.09.2018 08:13 |
Note: There had been semi-collective songwriting before. Notably on The Works and AKOM. It could just be a natural progression. |
| fras444 26.09.2018 09:21 |
^ Exactly what I thought it would have been.... John Deacon for example two co-credits on magic and another what... five co-credits . Brian and Roger machines... If we went with the comaradery Freddie being sick... the band would have found out the moment they started work on the album as aspposed to finding out halfway through or towards the end of the album sessions like from what I feel we are led to understand during the recent docos or interviews. But definitely interesting regards to the evolving songwriting process and behind the scenes leading up to deciding on the shared credits. One must thought... for arguments sake... John/Freds two co-written songs magic and Roger/Brian's machines Brians/Freds world we created and also Freddies arrangements of Rogers songs Magic and Gaga... "Why are we still bothering with this soul creator when we have been hepling each other out for selected songs from the last two albums...? Makes sense to come together as one and be more productive..... Yeah just one of those "Queen" myths that sorta gets distorted a bit too much... |
| fras444 26.09.2018 09:22 |
Queen as a whole you gotta admit if full of mystery with many distorted truths and what she said he said and now it's all fact because he said she said.... |
| Darren_1977 26.09.2018 14:21 |
would love if the remaining three and mr beach sat down and wrote the definitive band biography, prob never happen and would be full of inconsistencies |
| matt z 26.09.2018 21:00 |
Prob Freddie's illness. Prob Fred's idea to make sure everybody got a "lot" from the recordings. They were collectively facing the end of a contract as well in EMI USA. After all, there had to have been some suspicions when Fred penned a song calling for "THE MIRACLE" we're all waiting for today. Not to offend or be one of the morbid AIDS mongers on here... but I believe much of the sentiment behind that AND possibly the song TIME (written by close friend Dave Clark) were written of the sentiment that time was possibly fading on the band. I would guess it was Freddie, then Jim Beach and Freddie's decision later pulling in Brian to be diplomat. But I don't know. It hasn't fully been explained eh? a quick SEARCH would reveal this thread: link |
| MisterCosmicc 27.09.2018 19:34 |
Doubt it was to make sure everyone got a lot of cash. The majority of their cash even today comes from recordings prior to those albums. |
| mooghead 27.09.2018 19:39 |
Everyone puts 100% into everything. Simple. No one gets precious about their own stuff. Perfectly explained by Brian on the train, he also said it is something they should have done years ago and he was right. |
| Jeremy 29.09.2018 04:44 |
mooghead wrote: . Perfectly explained by Brian on the train, he also said it is something they should have done years ago and he was right.Yes, I often find Brian is in his best, most talkative mood on the train home from work. Oftentimes, he will offer me a bite of his egg, cheese, and ketchup sandwich. I politely decline. . |
| miraclesteinway 29.09.2018 22:03 |
it probably made arguments about which songs should be singles much easier if everyone knew they were going to get an equal share of the glory (or money). probably also in the light of freddie not being very well and them not knowing how long he had to live, it would have made working a little bit easier as well. I dunno why they did it to be honest, especially as these days when you see the songs from the Miracle and Innuendo listed on anything they put the original writer's name as the writer and not Queen, so for instance Show Must Go On and I Want It All are now credited to Brian May, Days of Our Lives to Roger, Miracle to Freddie, etc. I'm not sure if now that they've sorted out the finances so that the writing royalties all go to the original writer or if they just wanted to set the record straight with how these songs were written. |
| Dr Magus 30.09.2018 14:06 |
Freddie's dead and John's not arsed anymore. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 01.10.2018 11:25 |
I haven't seen Miracle or Innuendo songs credited to individual writers on anything official. |
| Voice of Reason 2018 01.10.2018 11:30 |
I'm trying to remember the announcements that has on show at the fan club convention in 1989 where The Miracle was debuted. (Has anyone got copies of these?) I think the collaboratve credits was because someone brought an idea for a song into the studo and the final version ended up very different so they felt the collaborative effort reflected the input more accurately. It also prevented people being too precious about their own songs and pushing for singles etc. Years later I supposed it was also due to Freddie's illness. It's hardly something that had to be decided on day one in the studio in January 1988. |
| Sebastian 01.10.2018 16:57 |
Voice of Reason 2018 wrote: I haven't seen Miracle or Innuendo songs credited to individual writers on anything official.Greatest Video Hits II credits 'I Want It All' to Brian. The Spanish version of the musical cast recording (technically an official release as well) credits 'Headlong' to Brian as well. |
| Sebastian 01.10.2018 17:26 |
Not exactly what you were asking for, but here's something from the Fan Club Magazine, Summer 1990. |
| aristide1 01.10.2018 17:33 |
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| The Real Wizard 01.10.2018 18:22 |
Sebastian wrote: Not exactly what you were asking for, but here's something from the Fan Club Magazine, Summer 1990.Interesting. So do we take this at face value that they walked into the Miracle sessions with the intention to share writing credits? |
| Sebastian 01.10.2018 21:02 |
I can't know for sure, as I wasn't there (and even those who were can easily misremember 30 years later), but I think it's possible. The predecent had been set with 'Stone Cold Crazy', 'Soul Brother' and 'One Vision', so perhaps they had a meeting early on and decided that everything would be everyone's. |
| Sebastian 01.10.2018 21:40 |
Speaking of the Fan Club, here's part of a letter (and its reply) printed in Autumn 1991. |
| Sebastian 01.10.2018 21:42 |
And here's a harsh one sent by a fan from Greater Manchester. I wonder what he thought of his words a month after this magazine was published. |
| matt z 01.10.2018 22:18 |
wow... they actually printed THAT in their own mag? |
| Sebastian 02.10.2018 03:06 |
In Jacqueline's defence, she didn't publish the letters loads of people sent in reply to that one. She mentioned he'd reached out again and apologised and left it at that. |
| MisterCosmicc 03.10.2018 08:54 |
Crazy letter |
| The Real Wizard 07.10.2018 23:42 |
fras444 wrote: But more I read on various sites....more I believe it was more because of the early to mid 80s and how much the band had fallen apart through egos and arguments and wanting to do their own work to forfill their artistic differences hence the only way they could really make it work was to share credits to the rest of the band...It seems they had sorted out a lot of their internal issues after Paul Prenter was booted (late 85 or early 86), so indeed, maybe this was a natural progression rather than being related to Mercury's illness. Whatever the truth is, the band have done well in keeping it under wraps for 30 years. |
| Galileo1564 10.10.2018 02:25 |
All the songs on Barcelona were credited to Freddie and to Mike Moran. (and a lyricist for a few of them.) Not sure if that's relevant, but anyway it occurred to me. |
| cmsdrums 11.10.2018 19:56 |
Galileo1564 wrote: All the songs on Barcelona were credited to Freddie and to Mike Moran. (and a lyricist for a few of them.) Not sure if that's relevant, but anyway it occurred to me.That’s because they were genuine co-writes....a true collaboration (the lyricist was Sir Tim Rice, by the way). |
| emrabt 11.10.2018 20:30 |
Ouch, he even mentioned how terrible Freddie looked too. He must have felt awful for that. |
| cmsdrums 12.10.2018 14:34 |
Sebastian wrote: And here's a harsh one sent by a fan from Greater Manchester. I wonder what he thought of his words a month after this magazine was published.Christ.....even without any 'official' word or confirmation, by the point the bloke wrote that letter, and as much as we fans wanted to live in hope and denial, it was VERY clear from the press stories, paparazzi photos, and public rumours (let alone Freddie's appearance in a couple of official promo videos) , that he was not a well man, and that touring really wasn't through any laziness on Freddie's behalf. I'll give him the benefits of the doubt by saying simply saying this letter was 'naive'. |
| dudeofqueen 12.10.2018 16:33 |
cmsdrums, re: > it was VERY clear from the press stories, paparazzi photos, and public rumours (let alone Freddie's appearance in a couple of official promo videos) , that he was not a well man, and that touring really wasn't through any laziness on Freddie's behalf. Yep - cringeworthy and a clear case of putting pen into gear before engaging the brain. The fact that he refers to the press and BPI appearance shows that he was a tabloid reader, so I kind of fail to understand why he wasn't more sympathetic. |
| Chief Mouse 12.10.2018 16:48 |
What it would have been like if Queenzone was around in 1991 - that's what came across my mind when I read it. |
| thomasquinn 32989 12.10.2018 18:10 |
Chief Mouse wrote: What it would have been like if Queenzone was around in 1991 - that's what came across my mind when I read it.Well put, sir. |