| Darren_1977 20.09.2018 20:20 |
I see Phil Collins has released a cd box set of recordings he guested on for other people throughout his career , was there any update on Brian’s box set which was to be a similar set |
| mooghead 20.09.2018 21:01 |
He is too busy playing Karaoke with the x factor person, Las Vegas baby!!!!! KERCHING!!!!! |
| bradbobly 21.09.2018 06:25 |
There are plenty of great box sets that are either out or due to be released in the coming months. All of which Queen could take a few notes from...sadly gone have the days of Queen being innovators when it comes to this type of thing |
| Dr Magus 21.09.2018 09:54 |
Dylan fans in particular must be like pigs in chardonnay. |
| bradbobly 21.09.2018 13:10 |
That goes for Bowie,Metallica, Marillion,John Lennon and Led Zeppelin as well. We are being left behind a little bit in recent years and whilst we have had some nice picks, can't help feeling it was probably only a 'B-' could do better kind of product. When i think of the Queen i knew, i relate to A+ excellent. |
| dysan 21.09.2018 15:15 |
I dunno - Bowie fans feel pretty hard done by. I'd say the volume of archival live and studio material issued in the last, say, 30 years has been equal to Queen. IE not as much as we know exists, and not as much as we'd like! |
| matt z 21.09.2018 17:04 |
SPEAKING OF COLLECTIONS!.....I don't know about you all... but I was in High school when that awesome FM boxed set came out. Now finding a copy of it will set you back a couple hundred bucks (if you're lucky)... they were never released in the USA only by international order. Hell, I couldn't afford it. Hence, I never got it. It'd be great if the fuckers rereleased the collection in a modest price. (unlikely) |
| flash00. 22.09.2018 03:11 |
I personally still think the best boxset to date in every way is the Freddie Mercury Box Set, the videos could do with being remastered as they're grainy as hell in today's standards, but music wise I thought was incredible as was the huge colour book. Worth every penny of £120 I paid back then. I don't think we will get anything from Queen as good as that FM solo box set, it'll be those expensive mini box sets of the odd album I.e NOTW etc purely for money as we all know Bri and Rog are shocking cash whores, I think RT is worse than BM for the cash thing so much for being about the music. |
| cmi 22.09.2018 07:44 |
^ I think the biggest 'cash whore' from all of them is Jim Bitch of course. Things will be much better after he will be gone... |
| Thistle 22.09.2018 21:13 |
flash00. wrote: I personally still think the best boxset to date in every way is the Freddie Mercury Box Set, the videos could do with being remastered as they're grainy as hell in today's standards, but music wise I thought was incredible as was the huge colour book. Worth every penny of £120 I paid back then. I don't think we will get anything from Queen as good as that FM solo box set, it'll be those expensive mini box sets of the odd album I.e NOTW etc purely for money as we all know Bri and Rog are shocking cash whores, I think RT is worse than BM for the cash thing so much for being about the music.I thought the FM box was awesome back then. I was thrilled to have stuff I hadn't heard before, and it was a real treasure. Looking at it now, it's 4-5 decent discs and one load of filler we didn't actually need - "Mr. Bad Guy" was easy enough to get (unless you were after the French and Japanese versions that had extra tracks and were £100-200), "Barcelona" was still available in the shops, and so was "The Great Pretender" (which is a shitty US version of the FM album). The demo discs were a missed opportunity. They have some great stuff, but also have a lot missing. I also feel that some of the tracks were faked. "Let's Turn It On (A capella)" springs to mind - I don't really think it was "A capella", but what we can do with the leaked multi-tracks. We can even hear the music they couldn't filter out, which is dressed up as "bleeding from earphones". And "Hybrid versions"? Why couldn't they just present them as they were, rather than Frankenstein versions? Vids were poorly done, but all we had at the time. As I say, great back then - just a lot of filler now. I rarely look at it. |
| dysan 23.09.2018 06:57 |
I dunno - I'm sure that is actual headphone leakage. Where do you think the music comes from if not? The problem with the boxset was the interview disc and the rather haphazard use of disc space. I accept that stuff was left off (remixes which are largely just repeats of material included).but then why use those cover versions on menus? I think if that material was reissued, they could chop it down and add the extra material to the appropriate albums and have the interviews happily sat as audio content on the DVDs. I also appreciate that releasing such a huge set was a necessary testament to the man. Somehow less that 12 discs doesn't seem right. And of course, it's a bit of a bugger to casually get off the shelf (by shelf, I mean attic). |
| cmsdrums 23.09.2018 08:32 |
The acapella mix of Let’s Turn It On is not ‘true’ acapella as such, but is the final mix all Freddie’s vocal tracks. The headphone spillage will be genuine from his headphones into the vocal mic on some/all of the takes, as he’s listening to the track to put each vocal part down over the previous one. |
| Thistle 23.09.2018 15:20 |
dysan wrote: I dunno - I'm sure that is actual headphone leakage. Where do you think the music comes from if not?There shouldn't be any music on an A capella lol. If he was using it for guidance, it's still not A capella. What cmsdrums says is more on point as it's clearly not a true A capella, and calling it such was just nonsense. He may be right and it IS leakage from the headphones, but I am not convinced. Play about with some of the multi-tracks that are available. Some are supposed to be just "guitar" or just "vox" but that isn't always the case. There's parts that sometimes just cannot be removed, and I feel this "Let's Turn It On" was an attempt at creating an A capella gone wrong (Just my opinion, but the track has never sat right for me) I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your statement regarding disc space etc. It's so disjointed! And yes, a bugger to get off the shelf ;) I ended up ripping the bits I enjoyed most and made my own comp. |
| dysan 23.09.2018 15:37 |
I'm still not sure your point. It's obviously headphone leakage. I asked where you think the music comes from if not? I think it's fair to call it 'acapella version' as it's just the vocal tracks presented to us, with unavoidable leakage from the headphones which as you say - it happens. You can tell which vocal track has the headphone leakage to due to the erratic panning. Think of it as a bonus :) |
| Thistle 23.09.2018 17:15 |
Again, an A Capella would not have music. I don't know what part's not being understood. I feel I've addressed your question - if they attempted to make an "A Capella" from multis, there's music still there that hasn't been filtered out. If I'm wrong and it's a natural recording where he's using music for guidance whilst he's laying down the last of his vocals, it still ain't A Capella. It MIGHT be leakage from headphones, it MIGHT be what my hunch is. Either way...not A Capella. Nothing convinces me it's not faked to sound like an A Capella, and the "leakage" is an excuse to cover up the music they couldn't filter out - but again, that's just my opinion. |
| dysan 23.09.2018 18:09 |
But what is your hunch why it's there? That's my question :) |
| Thistle 23.09.2018 19:20 |
I don't know how else to explain this and genuinely don't get what you're not getting. I'll try one more time. - Does A Capella involve instrumental accompaniment? No. - Can we hear instrumental accompinament on this supposed A capella track? Yes. - Is it therefore an "A Capella"? No. Why is there music on the track that they've called "leakage"? Scenario 1 - They could have used the vocal only track from any multis that exist to create an artificial "A capella". Maybe some instruments leaked and are therefore present on the vox track. They can't filter it out. So it's a fake A Capella and they're using the "leakage" line as an excuse. Scenario 2 - My gut feeling is wrong, and It's not an artificially created "A capella". It's a natural take, with Freddie using music for guidance as he lays his final vocals down. However, as he's using music, it's still not A Capella. Doesn't matter how the music got there. The fact of the matter is - it's NOT an A Capella. Nothing convinces me that scenario 1 is wrong. That's really the best way I can put my point across mate. I think it's straightforward enough. |
| dysan 23.09.2018 19:55 |
Sorry yes it does sound like I'm being obtuse - and I do get it. I think it's simple enough - those are the vocal tracks as recorded on the final track and they've muted the instrument tracks totally, but you can hear the music coming from the headphones as he sings his overdubs. You say it's faked? How so. I think that's my question. Like they reduced the backing track digitally or something? I agree that it's not a true acapella, of course. However its presented like that on the set and I don't really have an issue with it having headphone leakage - if it's called acapella (IE instrument tracks have been muted) I guess it's just a game of track labelling. I'm not sure 'Acapella with headphone leakage', or 'very quite backing track version' crossed anyone's mind when compiling. I guess that is if you don't believe that explanation in the notes. Anyway, this thread made me get the set out today (it's a very Sunday thing to get out and have a listen to it) so job done. Now to get it back up to the attic :( |
| Golden Salmon 23.09.2018 20:08 |
It's an "a capella" version in the same sense that last year's NOTW tracks from disc 2 were "raw sessions". |
| Thistle 23.09.2018 20:31 |
dysan wrote: Sorry yes it does sound like I'm being obtuse - and I do get it. I think it's simple enough - those are the vocal tracks as recorded on the final track and they've muted the instrument tracks totally, but you can hear the music coming from the headphones as he sings his overdubs. You say it's faked? How so. I think that's my question. Like they reduced the backing track digitally or something?I know it's not deliberate on your part, and my lack of knowledge of how the studio works and my inferior grasp on technical terms doesn't help. You're getting closer to getting me, but not quite. I'm not saying they digitally removed the backing track. I'm saying they only used the vocals (which would have been put down on separate tracks) and tried to mislead us by calling it an A capella - like he actually did do this as a special A capella take. It was never an A capella. As the vocals were laid down, the instrumental tracks might have leaked to the vocal tracks. But this just means he was using music for guidance, and again this means it wasn't A capella. Whether they could have digitally removed that to make it sound more convincing, I'm not sure. I reckon it's just lazy and they've deliberately called it something it's not. It's filler. We didn't need it, but they wanted it to sound like they had something interesting. They didn't. Take any of the multi-tracks that are available. Mute the instrumentals and see what you're left with. Then kid yourself on that what you've got is an exciting "take" that no-one else has. Or release it as a "never heard before rarity". That's basically what they did here. dysan wrote: I guess it's just a game of track labelling. I'm not sure 'Acapella with headphone leakage', or 'very quite backing track version' crossed anyone's mind when compiling. I guess that is if you don't believe that explanation in the notes.I don't believe them! I think they're full of pish! ;) dysan wrote: Anyway, this thread made me get the set out today (it's a very Sunday thing to get out and have a listen to it) so job done. Now to get it back up to the attic :(LOL, glad it got you listening. Just rip the best of the set and you'll never need to bring it down from the attic again....that is if you get it back up there ;) |
| dysan 23.09.2018 20:51 |
RIght got ya! Yeah I think it's just an honest thing they thought 'oh this is cool' like so many of their misguided bonus track releases. I guess it was either that or another Living On My Own remix :D |
| Thistle 23.09.2018 21:03 |
Golden Salmon wrote: It's an "a capella" version in the same sense that last year's NOTW tracks from disc 2 were "raw sessions".Yip. Those are Frankenstein versions for sure. The big difference is that ithey're actually something of interest, not just the single versions with the instrumentals on mute ;) I wish they'd stop tamepring with stuff though. Release it as is - we'll lap it up anyway! Don't dress it up as something it isn't. |