Day dop 05.09.2018 00:27 |
A new article... This part, in particular, from Brian May, regarding what he thinks Freddie Mercury would've made of Adam Lambert... “Freddie would love and hate him, yeah; I mean, you know, he’d be like, ‘You bastard!’” May joked. “Because, I mean, Adam has a real gift from God. That voice is a voice in a billion, and nobody has that range, nobody that I’ve ever worked with. And not just the range but the quality throughout the range and the passion to use that instrument.” link Personally, I don't see why Mercury would say "You bastard" over Lambert's voice. Sure, he can hit the high notes, but so could Roger Taylor. I don't think Mercury had a more limited range than Lambert anyway (I believe Mercury could sing lower). He suffered from vocal nodules, but other than that, Mercury's voice was better in every way. I don't hear more passion in Lambert's voice than Mercury's either (tbh, I don't like Lambert's voice). It's as though May is kind of dismissive of Mercury in comparison to Lambert. Or is he purposefully saying that as an "up yours" to those who are vocal about their dislike of Lambert? I don't know. Anyway, you might see it differently. |
emrabt 05.09.2018 08:44 |
It's just Brian being Brian, feeling the need to justify all his own decisions with stories about Freddie, don't worry about it. When he finds a new best friend all the stories will be about them. This is typical of the type of rubbish Brian comes out with though, the same thing happened with Paul Rodgers, at the start of their partnership the story was that Freddie mentioned him in the studio, saying he can't sing like Paul Rodgers, by the end he was Freddies Idol. I've not Listened much to Lambert but what is his range, 2.5 octaves, maybe? |
Makka 05.09.2018 09:07 |
Or maybe Brian is probably in the best position to know what Freddie may or may not of said and have the musical ear to know of Lambert's talents (whether people agree or not is to each owns tastes). I've seen them twice with Lambert and yes he has a good range but a very different timbre to his voice than Mercury's. |
emrabt 05.09.2018 09:26 |
Nobody, not even Brian would know what Freddie would have said, it's as simple as that. |
Sealion 05.09.2018 11:41 |
Freddie will always be superior for every (longtime) Queen fan. I've seen both, Freddie and Adam several times. They are both great. BUT Freddie is the original. And after I've experienced him singing these (his) songs, nobody can do them better IMO. On the other hand, I took my daughter with me to her first gig in 2015. Although she had heard all the Queen songs many times before - naturally! ;) - , she told me more than once by now, that Adam sings IWIA and WWTLF "much better" than Freddie. And that she likes him better. See, she is 18. She only saw Freddie in old videos. It's only natural, that she rather takes to the younger Adam (who actually is about twice her age as well), than to "old" Freddie (her words), IMO. But it shows me as well, that AL must have some appeal. It seems to work really well with newbies and even many older fans. I don't think. Brian is disrespectful to Freddie. Even if he really thinks, that Adam's voice is "better". It may even be so. Second best to Lambert's voice is still almost the best ;D. No, jokes away. Nothing Brian said, takes anything away from Freddie. For some reasons, he feels the need to tell, how much he appreciates Lambert's voice. It's his opinion and that should be OK. Just look at all the hate Lambert still gets on FB or YT from Queen fans and I get an idea, why Brian feels that way. Just to add: Last week Brian and Roger has a press conference with AL before their Vegas debut. Here is what they and especially Roger had to say about Lambert. link |
Sebastian 05.09.2018 12:06 |
Brian's entitled to his point of view. Some may agree or disagree with it, and that's also fine. At the end of the day, what he (probably) wants is to get people to speak about Adam, and he's certainly succeeded. |
rockchic65 05.09.2018 14:22 |
I don't believe he's saying Adam is better than Freddie, he's said in the past that Adam can sing higher in a live situation and that's true since Freddie often modulated down for lots of reasons. From his point of view, working with Adam and hearing him in rehearsal he's probably impressed by what Adam can do with his voice but that doesn't mean he prefers the tone or thinks he's better and IMO I don't actually think he was including Freddie when he made that comment, I took it to mean out of any other singers he's worked with since Freddie died. I could be wrong but the fact Freddie was known as such an amazing singer, often called the best, probably means he didn't even think anyone would assume he was including Freddie when he said that about Adam. That said Adam has incredible technical ability and so live he is more consistent. |
Bo Alex 05.09.2018 14:55 |
Yes, maybe. But I'm sure Freddie wouldn't care at all. |
bucsateflon 05.09.2018 16:03 |
Brian is God |
victorvortex 05.09.2018 20:12 |
It's funny how Brian was ultra precious after Freddie died, all the 'Queen is over' etc. Yet now he will say any old crap to sell a few extra tickets. Brian, it is over. Adam Lameberk is not fit to lace Freddie's ballet shoes, let alone compare to him as a singer. The sooner this current shitshow is over, the better. It breaks my heart to see Brian and Roger cheapen the legacy like this. |
Sealion 05.09.2018 20:40 |
"Cheapen the legacy" ?? Bullshit. That snippet is again a part of the same interview, that is discussed on the Serious discussion board as well. I don't know, why the OP opened a second thread about that. The interview is from last year and was about Brian's 3D-Book. Concerning your "fear" for the legacy: We got a new movie-trailer yesterday. Queen is very visible in the media and we will see much more like this the closer we get to release day. At the same time, Brian and Roger are selling out concerts in Las Vegas. The Queen-crest can be seen all over that city. New generations get to see them live. Not only in Vegas, but in concerts in Australia and Europe as well - just that year so far. No, Brian didn't know that back in the early 90's. Neither did I ever expect to be able to experience that music with my family, But I am. And because of this I can guarantee you, that the legacy will live on. |
Iron Butterfly 05.09.2018 21:38 |
Queen's music would be living on without Q+AL. I think it's safe to say that. |
flash00. 06.09.2018 03:18 |
In terms of talent etc Adam is not a gift from god with a god given talent, he is a good singer but he's a screamer which i'm not a fan of, Martel has better range and power. Lamberts song writing is not even that good, is that a god given talent? I personally have thought Brian comes over a little bit jealous of Freddie at times, maybe Freddie knew this it's known he would avoid Brian in the studio with his nit picking and arguing, when has May ever sat praising Freddie in interviews while he was alive, and yes May will spout on about any celebrity he's famous for being a celebrity ass kisser. The comments from a celeb about Queen mean so much more to him than any Queen fan Ive always wondered why. I personally think he's just kissing Lamberts ass in case he gets bored of Queen and walks. God I miss Freddie ha. |
john bodega 06.09.2018 06:20 |
Brian, I love you, but you really can be completely full of shit sometimes. Theoretically-Still-Alive-Freddie has absolutely nothing to be envious of here. Lambert has this awful 'searching' sound when he's about to go for a note that isn't the one he's already singing. Honestly, I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but it's been the same ever since he started with the Queen stuff. I'll put on something like "Don't Stop Me Now" or "Who Wants To Live Forever" - where some people would tell you that he's NAILING it (?) and there it is, like clockwork. Couldn't find the interval with a flashlight and a map. He sounds like a mouse too, whenever they go with a big song for an opener. 'It's just not a good recording', I've been told. Really?? Why does Freddie sound better even on his off nights?? And the off-key trills and ad-libs and stuff - I don't know if they've gotten better over the years, but oof. The time to practice that stuff was before you signed up with 1/2 of a brilliant 70's rock band, mate. Having said all of that ... all power to them, I actually am happy that the Q+AL thing is happening in some respects (people can still see Brian bust a move, etc.), but as a singer Adam isn't what Brian sells him as being, putting it politely. Put any C-Lebrity in that role and you'd be getting the same show - we know because they've done that for 20 years now, at one time or another. Anyway, in case I sound negative - just go to one of the shows and enjoy hearing Queen music being played loudly, as it should be. On philosophical grounds I have to be happy that Brian and Roger are still around to do what they do, even if the singer is a major put-off. |
master marathon runner 06.09.2018 06:34 |
Well , I just don't know what to say. I only hope John ain't tuning in here. |
Dr Magus 06.09.2018 10:19 |
flash00. wrote: In terms of talent etc Adam is not a gift from god with a god given talent, he is a good singer but he's a screamer which i'm not a fan of, Martel has better range and power. Lamberts song writing is not even that good, is that a god given talent? I personally have thought Brian comes over a little bit jealous of Freddie at times, maybe Freddie knew this it's known he would avoid Brian in the studio with his nit picking and arguing, when has May ever sat praising Freddie in interviews while he was alive, and yes May will spout on about any celebrity he's famous for being a celebrity ass kisser. The comments from a celeb about Queen mean so much more to him than any Queen fan Ive always wondered why. I personally think he's just kissing Lamberts ass in case he gets bored of Queen and walks. God I miss Freddie ha.Great post and agree 100%. |
Sebastian 06.09.2018 12:21 |
bucsateflon wrote: Brian is GodThere's a key difference: Brian does exist. |
runner_70 06.09.2018 18:47 |
Do we really have to discuss Lamejerk on here? It is annoying enough in the QAL section. This is an old statement-but it should be known by now that Brian was not the best freind of Freddie. John and ROger were much closer. And the DIva of Queen was always Brian. |
Raf 07.09.2018 00:36 |
runner_70 wrote: Do we really have to discuss Lamejerk on here? It is annoying enough in the QAL section. This is an old statement-but it should be known by now that Brian was not the best freind of Freddie. John and ROger were much closer. And the DIva of Queen was always Brian.The QAL section literally exists to discuss QAL. If it's "annoying enough" there, why do you insist on being there regularly? I'm glad people are bringing QAL topics to other sections, as YOU made that section virtually useless with your constant spamming and your homophobic bullshit. |
runner_70 07.09.2018 09:13 |
Ahhh a Glambert playing the homophobic card. Why dont you sad folks understand that Lamebert is hated for his abysmal singing, stageshow and no-talent and for destroying QUeen songs and making Maylor a laughing stock. |
rockchic65 07.09.2018 09:21 |
runner_70 wrote: Ahhh a Glambert playing the homophobic card. Why dont you sad folks understand that Lamebert is hated for his abysmal singing, stageshow and no-talent and for destroying QUeen songs and making Maylor a laughing stock.And why don't you understand that most people don't feel that way, even one's who aren't glambert's. If you don't like him don't watch, it's not compulsary and if you got out of your hate filled bubble for a second you'd realize no one's laughing, they get a lot of respect from the media and other musicans. |
runner_70 07.09.2018 11:23 |
Hahaha respect from other musicians for touring with a casting muppet from AI??? Other musicians maybe polite about it but they are the laughing stock of any major rockband out there |
rockchic65 07.09.2018 18:04 |
runner_70 wrote: Hahaha respect from other musicians for touring with a casting muppet from AI??? Other musicians maybe polite about it but they are the laughing stock of any major rockband out thereI think going to see their show is a bit more than polite, there's a steady stream of musicians who go to see them including out of rock bands. |
runner_70 07.09.2018 18:10 |
why shouldnt they go-selfpromotion and free food and drinks |
Sealion 07.09.2018 18:26 |
Many other musicians and rockers attend the shows. I don’t think, they need free food and drinks. ;) They are just much more respectful towards Brian and Roger than many „fans“. Just one random one from this week: Steven Adler (drummer, formerly Guns N’Roses) link |
mooghead 07.09.2018 21:14 |
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Sebastian 07.09.2018 21:52 |
I didn't know Roger was Steven's favourite drummer. Interesting indeed! |
Day dop 07.09.2018 23:50 |
runner_70 wrote "Do we really have to discuss Lamejerk on here? It is annoying enough in the QAL section. This is an old statement-but it should be known by now that Brian was not the best freind of Freddie. John and ROger were much closer. And the DIva of Queen was always Brian." I did consider that. But this isn't strictly a Q+AL post. It's about May's opinion on Freddie / Lambert. Apologies though as it's probably more Lambert in a Queen forum that Queen fans would generally care for. |
runner_70 08.09.2018 06:16 |
No Queen fan cares for Lamejerk |
Invisible Woman 08.09.2018 10:56 |
It's logical that Brian talks all the best about Adam. Maybe he really think so, he has right to say what he wants. But no matters what he said, I still don't like how Adam sings most of Queen songs (which I heard). |
Sebastian 08.09.2018 15:57 |
But even if Brian had actually said that word for word (he didn't), that still wouldn't mean he was being disrespectful of Frederick. |
Day dop 08.09.2018 21:43 |
Why do you keep calling Freddie "Frederick"? |
Saint Jiub 08.09.2018 22:09 |
I am not sure, because no one talks about it, but I think Frederick is Mr Mercury's legal name. ;P |
Sebastian 08.09.2018 23:30 |
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Sebastian 08.09.2018 23:31 |
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Sebastian 08.09.2018 23:32 |
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Sebastian 08.09.2018 23:33 |
Last but not least, his death certificate. That was quite a sad day as Frederick ceased doing Frederick things. He's with God now (i.e. he doesn't exist). |
Saint Jiub 09.09.2018 00:50 |
Those five Frederick downloads are all fake news ... Frederick never referred to himself as Frederick ... not one day in his life. |
Raf 09.09.2018 01:52 |
Saint Jiub wrote: Those five Frederick downloads are all fake news ... Frederick never referred to himself as Frederick ... not one day in his life.Mind your choice of words. Freddie USUALLY didn't refer to himself as Frederick. But never? link |
Sebastian 09.09.2018 03:09 |
Even if Frederick hadn't referred to himself (i.e. Frederick) as Frederick, that wouldn't stop me from referring to Frederick as Frederick. But yeah, Frederick referred to Frederick as Frederick at least once in Frederick's lifetime. |
Day dop 09.09.2018 05:40 |
This forum gets worse. |
Day dop 09.09.2018 05:40 |
This forum gets worse. |
Dr Magus 09.09.2018 11:55 |
Freddie also called himself Kim Basinger, just for anyone out there who would like to start referring to Freddie as 'Kim'. |
Sebastian 09.09.2018 14:01 |
Frederick also sang 'I'm queen of the night' many times in the 1973 - 1976 era. |
Martin Packer 09.09.2018 14:45 |
And "Jayne Mansfield", FWIW. :-) |
Vocal harmony 09.09.2018 18:41 |
Dr Magus wrote: Freddie also called himself Kim Basinger, just for anyone out there who would like to start referring to Freddie as 'Kim'.Yeah but did Kim Basinger ever call herself Fredrick? |
Vocal harmony 09.09.2018 18:49 |
runner_70 wrote: why shouldnt they go-selfpromotion and free food and drinksBecause most people don't have you're mentality and wouldn't bother seeing a band they can't stand just for a free back stage lig! Be honest you can't stand the fact that other pro musicians are enjoying these shows as much as the band. |
Sebastian 09.09.2018 18:49 |
Kimila called herself many things, I reckon. No idea if 'Frederick' was one of them. |
miraclesteinway 10.09.2018 15:40 |
I don't believe Adam IS better than Freddie but..... Let's say for arguments sake that Adam Lambert is a technically better singer than Freddie, based on his ability to hit all the notes every time. Let's also say that Adam can control the tone of his voice, sing loud, sing soft, and avoid fatigue. These are all important things for a singer to be able to do. Freddie himself didn't always manage to do that live (but then Freddie partied way harder than Adam Lambert ever could....). Now before I'm lambasted and stoned and beheaded for saying all this.... What Adam Lambert doesn't have is the innate musicianship of Freddie Mercury. He can sing the notes but he doesn't have the internal rhythm, the sense of vitality, nor does he have that very special spark that Freddie had. Not many people do. The other problem of course is that Adam Lambert is a hired hand singing someone else's music with the original band members minus John. Actually the new bass player is good but he is very different to John... Freddie was singing his own music with people he'd had beside him in those formative years. Freddie's musicianship is streets ahead of pretty much anyone else's in rock music. True - he didn't always get it right, but when he did, his songwriting was the best, his backing vocals were the best, his lead vocals were exemplary, and he's pretty much the reason why we're all here. Adam Lambert I think is a good singer, but I've yet to see him flex his pecs as a musician in the fullest sense of the word. That comes over in the singing, and I think that's what the haters miss most. So, Freddie might be *impressed* by Adam Lambert's ability, but I don't think he'd be in any way threatened. For all we know Freddie might think he's shit of course. |
rockchic65 10.09.2018 17:10 |
miraclesteinway wrote: I don't believe Adam IS better than Freddie but..... Let's say for arguments sake that Adam Lambert is a technically better singer than Freddie, based on his ability to hit all the notes every time. Let's also say that Adam can control the tone of his voice, sing loud, sing soft, and avoid fatigue. These are all important things for a singer to be able to do. Freddie himself didn't always manage to do that live (but then Freddie partied way harder than Adam Lambert ever could....). Now before I'm lambasted and stoned and beheaded for saying all this.... What Adam Lambert doesn't have is the innate musicianship of Freddie Mercury. He can sing the notes but he doesn't have the internal rhythm, the sense of vitality, nor does he have that very special spark that Freddie had. Not many people do. The other problem of course is that Adam Lambert is a hired hand singing someone else's music with the original band members minus John. Actually the new bass player is good but he is very different to John... Freddie was singing his own music with people he'd had beside him in those formative years. Freddie's musicianship is streets ahead of pretty much anyone else's in rock music. True - he didn't always get it right, but when he did, his songwriting was the best, his backing vocals were the best, his lead vocals were exemplary, and he's pretty much the reason why we're all here. Adam Lambert I think is a good singer, but I've yet to see him flex his pecs as a musician in the fullest sense of the word. That comes over in the singing, and I think that's what the haters miss most. So, Freddie might be *impressed* by Adam Lambert's ability, but I don't think he'd be in any way threatened. For all we know Freddie might think he's shit of course.Interesting, I agree and disagree with parts of that. Technically Adam is impressive, but I also doubt Freddie would feel threatened by him, why would he, he wasn't just a singer he played instruments and wrote incredible music. Added to that the tone of his voice was really unique and on recordings he was amazing, but like you say he partied hard and didn't look after his voice too well plus he didn't have formal training so in that sense Adam is a more consistent live singer. I don't think Adam lacks musicianship regarding singing but he is a perfectionist and sings more technically, a lot more when with Queen than solo, and my guess is it's because he's aware he's filling in for Freddie and will be judged, he can't have failed to see some of the comments. IMO he comes across as a lot more free and easy with his singing in his solo shows, obviously because he's in charge, it's his vision and he can just do what he feels in the moment, with Queen + there's a lot of cues to follow with the stage show so it has to be tighter and he's probably more concerned with getting it just right. But that said I don't believe Brian meant it the way it sounded either. |