| Apocalipsis_Darko 30.08.2018 17:31 |
In the great website said all the details but....link Sparks said they also played at that show as the headliner and Queen the open act band. And in setlist.com Sparks has a concert the same day, same year. What is the true? |
| mr mason 30.08.2018 19:10 |
It might have been the time they asked Brian to join them,and leave Queen! |
| dysan 30.08.2018 20:58 |
No that was later :D |
| Pim Derks 31.08.2018 10:17 |
Just more Queen Productions propaganda "We never supported bands, the only time we did that was with Mott The Hoople". |
| dudeofqueen 31.08.2018 11:35 |
Pim, re: >Just more Queen Productions propaganda "We never supported bands Interesting stance that infinitely BETTER bands than Queen are proud of the grounding they had on support slots and doing the hard yards before the publicity machine and hype elevated them...... |
| The Real Wizard 31.08.2018 12:49 |
Queen were still not the main act on many nights even in 1975. Revisionist history indeed. |
| Sam99 31.08.2018 15:53 |
Very interesting Bob, who did Queen support in 1975, was this in the US? |
| dudeofqueen 31.08.2018 16:25 |
The Real Wizard, re: >Queen were still not the main act on many nights even in 1975. Nutz, Styx, Kansas and Hustler supporting the band on their HEADLINING tours behind SHA, I see no evidence of any nights where Queen played as support to anyone during 1975. And >Revisionist history indeed. Added to the dramatisation of the procurement and destruction of live tapes on another thread, sounds like you're well-versed in it old son. |
| The Real Wizard 31.08.2018 18:05 |
dudeofqueen wrote: I see no evidence of any nights where Queen played as support to anyone during 1975.Just because you personally haven't seen the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'll just leave this here. |
| inu-liger 31.08.2018 19:13 |
And BOOM befalls the belief of the foolish as the truth dynamite takes off |
| Barry Durex 31.08.2018 19:21 |
link |
| *goodco* 31.08.2018 19:40 |
I am going to make a very educated guess that the REO poster is a phony, similar to Queen Denver 1974 (google that one) Cronin left in '73, and the band recorded three LPs before he returned in '76. |
| The Real Wizard 31.08.2018 19:53 |
*goodco* wrote: I am going to make a very educated guess that the REO poster is a phony, similar to Queen Denver 1974 (google that one) Cronin left in '73, and the band recorded three LPs before he returned in '76.Hmm. It wouldn't be the first time a photo with wrong band members was used on a poster. See Yes in 1980 (although there were business reasons to conveniently omit the fact that Jon Anderson had jumped ship). That aside - on some nights in 75 they did a double header with Kansas, and they rotated nights. There's no reason to think Queen were seen as bigger than Kansas in the US in 75. Both bands had all gold records. Kansas may be written second, but the text is no smaller, and it doesn't say "with" or "supporting act": |
| Holly2003 31.08.2018 20:18 |
Sour Milk Sea did a headlining gig at the Roundhouse in 1970 with 3 support bands. Maybe Queen was a step down for Freddie :p |
| Barry Durex 31.08.2018 21:23 |
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| Barry Durex 31.08.2018 21:25 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Your case is at best weak, no doubt you realised that and rightly removed your "expertise" claim in this instance.dudeofqueen wrote: I see no evidence of any nights where Queen played as support to anyone during 1975.Just because you personally haven't seen the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'll just leave this here. |
| on my way up 31.08.2018 23:08 |
What a poor state queenzone is in... The trolls took over! Long live The Real Wizard and queenlive.ca |
| The Real Wizard 31.08.2018 23:12 |
Devil's Advocate wrote:It looks like you're one person operating under 3 or 4 user names who largely exist to troll one person on this forum.The Real Wizard wrote:Your case is at best weak, no doubt you realised that and rightly removed your "expertise" claim in this instance.dudeofqueen wrote: I see no evidence of any nights where Queen played as support to anyone during 1975.Just because you personally haven't seen the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'll just leave this here. The two images provided present a plausible scenario, and you're just being a contrarian troll resorting to ad hominem arguments and no actual discussion. Stick to the topic at hand instead of wasting people's bandwidth. |
| Another Roger (re) 01.09.2018 06:09 |
Dudeofqueen: Have you ever heard of earning your respect? The Real Wizard has built his status and good reputation over many years contributing in a positive way. Your only contribution (as far as I have seen) is rude responses and negative posts towards certain members on this board. You are of course allowed to disagree in matters, but I have yet to see you respond in a polite and respectful way when you discuss. How difficult can it be? Then again, maybe your intent is not a good discussion? By the looks of it you have several users to back yourself up. How sad is that? I can sense a tiny man in front of the keyboard being incredible jealous of everyone who actually gets recognition for their good and hard work. |
| Dr Magus 01.09.2018 11:11 |
Yep, because every poster that exists must be genuine. |
| *goodco* 01.09.2018 13:57 |
I should have spent a few more minutes searching Madison. link So, no doubt, it is possible that Queen opened the Madison show. Even then, REO had a pretty good following in the Midwest. I looked at a few other playbills available from that tour, and a couple are boldly written as 'QUEEN and KANSAS' ....where they could have traded off occasionally. Not entirely sold on the Madison show order. But I wouldn't bet the farm against it either. Someone could always ask Brian;-) |
| Vocal harmony 01.09.2018 13:58 |
Another Roger (re) wrote: Dudeofqueen: Have you ever heard of earning your respect? The Real Wizard has built his status and good reputation over many years contributing in a positive way. Your only contribution (as far as I have seen) is rude responses and negative posts towards certain members on this board. You are of course allowed to disagree in matters, but I have yet to see you respond in a polite and respectful way when you discuss. How difficult can it be? Then again, maybe your intent is not a good discussion? By the looks of it you have several users to back yourself up. How sad is that? I can sense a tiny man in front of the keyboard being incredible jealous of everyone who actually gets recognition for their good and hard work.This.^^^^ I would add to that, there are occasions where any of us may disagree with other members. Taking what Another Roger said a step further, if you are polite in the way you voice your disagreement/opinions you are more likely to gain informative responses. That is how this site has grown through the years, and for some of us continues to do so. Unfortunately, more and more, the negative and abusive tone that some use as their first response is what many take away when they log off. The lack of respect and the lack of proper moderation is fast becoming the foundation of what will become a lasting memory of this site. |
| The Real Wizard 01.09.2018 14:12 |
Dr Magus wrote: Yep, because every poster that exists must be genuine.Passive aggressive sarcasm from another avatar. Yawn. |
| GT 01.09.2018 14:25 |
It is true that Queen supported Sparks at the Marquee in 1972, and it looks like the only band they supported on their U.S tour in 1975, was REO Speedwagon at Dane County Coliseum on 6 March. |
| The Real Wizard 01.09.2018 14:28 |
Vocal harmony wrote: That is how this site has grown through the years, and for some of us continues to do so. Unfortunately, more and more, the negative and abusive tone that some use as their first response is what many take away when they log off. The lack of respect and the lack of proper moderation is fast becoming the foundation of what will become a lasting memory of this site.Given a chance to be assholes, people will be assholes. It's a fundamental rule of life. When the cat's away, the mice will play. And you're right - there are countless people who have occasionally lurked here and walked away with the impression that this place is a petri dish of turgid human behaviour. |
| The Real Wizard 01.09.2018 14:32 |
GT wrote: It is true that Queen supported Sparks at the Marquee in 1972, and it looks like the only band they supported on their U.S tour in 1975, was REO Speedwagon at Dane County Coliseum on 6 March.Thanks for clarifying. But we can't say for certain that that was the only 1975 date where they didn't headline. Not much is known about this tour. |
| cmsdrums 01.09.2018 15:50 |
I recall an interview (or possibly on his soapbox) with Brian in the last few years where he stated that he and Joe Perry got on well because they were quite chilled, and when playing some dates with Aerosmith they would leave Freddie and Steven Tyler arguing over who was going to go on stage first, and they often ended up rotating. Anyone else remember this? |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 01.09.2018 17:50 |
Yes, it was only one concert cmsdrum. Finally was Queen the first open band and Aerosmith the second open band, and Mott The Hoople the headliner. I talked with that with Tom Hamilton (bass player from Aerosmith). He tough it was more than one concert, and Steven Tyler though in his biography the concert was canceled, but the truth is they were together in only one concert. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 01.09.2018 17:53 |
And I think you can not doubt about Real Wizzard reputation. He always said interesting facts, and his web is one of the three better webs about Queen for sure. |
| Dr Magus 02.09.2018 12:00 |
The Real Wizard wrote:He shoots, he misses. Yawn indeed.Dr Magus wrote: Yep, because every poster that exists must be genuine.Passive aggressive sarcasm from another avatar. Yawn. |
| Barry Durex 03.09.2018 17:55 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Queen were still not the main act on many nights even in 1975.So it appears that anyone who dares to question this is now deemed to be some sort of passive aggressive contrarian troll with multiple accounts. Well I seriously don't give a fuck about all that, and I for one will carry on posting for as long as I can be bothered. The bottom line is there is still currently no REAL evidence that confirms Queen were a support act during 1975, nada, zilch, not even for ONE instance it seems. It also amazes me that ad hominem arguments are repeatedly used by the same person who is constantly flagging them up! Proving something you say actually happened is what you need to do, rather than putting the onus on somebody else to prove it didn't. |
| The Real Wizard 03.09.2018 20:04 |
Read GT's post again. He worked for the band - he knows what he's talking about. Are you done trolling yet? |
| Barry Durex 03.09.2018 21:01 |
If you want to cling on to what is now reduced to a single date in '75, then perhaps GT can find some concrete evidence to support this for you. Good old fashioned facts, which you seem to be a bit short of in this instance. |
| The Real Wizard 03.09.2018 21:26 |
Devil's Advocate wrote: If you want to cling on to what is now reduced to a single date in '75, then perhaps GT can find some concrete evidence to support this for you. Good old fashioned facts, which you seem to be a bit short of in this instance.I've supported my original argument with evidence, and it was corroborated with supporting evidence. You're just being a cunt now. Have you nothing better to do than be a troll? |
| Barry Durex 03.09.2018 21:42 |
Evidence? A dodgy looking flyer with no mention of a support band. |
| Sebastian 03.09.2018 21:57 |
The Real Wizard wrote: He worked for the band - he knows what he's talking about.To be fair, having worked for the band doesn't deem anybody's claims as automatically true. It's not a matter of authority, but a matter of evidence. And you do have evidence, so that's absolutely fine. PS: Nothing personal against GT (or anybody else who works, worked or may at some point work for the band). It's just that 'because so and so said so' is not a valid argument. |
| The Real Wizard 03.09.2018 21:58 |
Devil's Advocate wrote: Evidence? A dodgy looking flyer with no mention of a support band.Are you thick? Look at the poster again - there is a picture of REO Speedwagon, indicating they are the main act. And the "with Queen" (and no picture of Queen) indicates they are the supporting act. I'm done here. You're just trolling. |
| Barry Durex 03.09.2018 22:02 |
Are you? It's a dodgy looking flyer, and far from conclusive proof. |
| The Real Wizard 03.09.2018 22:23 |
Then I guess we're at an impasse. But on the bright side, it did reveal your inability to recognize a support band on a poster, real or otherwise. |
| Barry Durex 03.09.2018 22:53 |
Not at all, all I see is the wrong line up of REO Speedwagon on what might be a scan of some dodgy looking flyer. The same scan another website uses whilst describing them as the support band. I'm not saying they WERE the support, just that there's currently no REAL evidence that Queen were either. But on the bright side, your inability to understand that, and the fact that you had to resort to obscene name calling should make you feel rather embarrassed now. Why not apply your own double header logic when you look at the scan of the actual ticket? Queen may be written second, but the text is no smaller, and it doesn't say "with" or "supporting act": |
| Dr Magus 04.09.2018 10:12 |
Fight! Fight! |
| Barry Durex 04.09.2018 10:52 |
link |
| dudeofqueen 04.09.2018 11:43 |
Devil's Advocate, You're bashing your head against a brick wall on this old son; from experience with this character, you have to remember that, now The Real Wizard's website is so comprehensive and so INFINITELY BETTER than the similar +official product+ QPL have out there, he's able to position himself as a completely self-styled EXPERT in all things to do with the live history of Queen. I'm sure he's still holding out for that olive branch from Greggy Boy and offer of collaboration in return for some kind of credit in the mythological version 24 of "The Concert File". He's able to make bold statements such as his original on here and will have his fans taking it as gospel whilst damning anyone for challenging their hero. He's just a wally with a keyboard who believes his own hype and takes himself far too seriously. His mum's pretty pissed off at the amount of bandwidth he's using on the family's capped broadband limit and that they're getting complaints from his teachers that hours spent wanking by torchlight is giving him a squint and affecting his ability to see the blackboard. There'll possibly be some sort of semi-smart reply to this after he's sorted out the Kleenex. |
| The Real Wizard 04.09.2018 12:54 |
Devil's Advocate wrote: Why not apply your own double header logic when you look at the scan of the actual ticket?It's because it was a cheap ticket printed with dot matrix, and they likely couldn't use multiple text sizes. It was the 70s. Queen are written second because they were support. Give it up. |
| Barry Durex 04.09.2018 13:20 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Queen are written second because they were support. Give it up.Make up your mind, earlier in the thread you said that was irrelevant! The Real Wizard wrote: There's no reason to think Queen were seen as bigger than Kansas in the US in 75. Both bands had all gold records. Kansas may be written second, but the text is no smaller, and it doesn't say "with" or "supporting act": |
| The Real Wizard 04.09.2018 13:25 |
If you can't understand the difference between posters and tickets done with dot matrix printers, then I guess that's your problem. |
| Barry Durex 04.09.2018 13:34 |
The Real Wizard wrote: It's because it was a cheap ticket printed with dot matrix, and they likely couldn't use multiple text sizes. It was the 70s.It seems they had it cracked by the following night though link The Real Wizard wrote: If you can't understand the difference between posters and tickets done with dot matrix printers, then I guess that's your problem.No, it seems to be yours. |
| The Real Wizard 04.09.2018 17:07 |
Devil's Advocate wrote:The text you're referring to isn't dot matrix.The Real Wizard wrote: It's because it was a cheap ticket printed with dot matrix, and they likely couldn't use multiple text sizes. It was the 70s.It seems they had it cracked by the following night though link |
| The Real Wizard 04.09.2018 17:36 |
This review of the show also indicates that Queen weren't the headliner. When you're done making a fool out of yourself, just let us know, m'kay? |
| Barry Durex 04.09.2018 22:20 |
The Real Wizard wrote: This review of the show also indicates that Queen weren't the headliner. When you're done making a fool out of yourself, just let us know, m'kay?Read that some time back and I'm still not convinced I'm afraid. In the third paragraph he describes the Queen and REO Speedwagon bill in that order, does that matter? Sometimes it does with you, and sometimes it doesn't. Or is it one of those double header affairs you speak of where both bands are the headline act, regardless of who goes on first? I appreciate that trying to be right about this ''solitary'' gig now means everything to you, but it's YOU who looks the fool when you constantly contradict yourself. Sadly it seems that a hybrid dot matrix printer (or whatever it is you want to call it) was not used (or not yet invented) to print out tickets until the following nights concert, so that doesn't help. Like I said before, the onus is on you to prove without doubt what you say is right, rather than expect somebody else prove it isn't. All I have done is question the ''evidence''. I haven't made any factual claim as to who supported who, so I can't be wrong, but only time will tell if you are. I'll leave it there cos I'm bored now. |
| Kamenliter 05.09.2018 01:21 |
>The Real Wizard's website is so comprehensive and so INFINITELY BETTER than the similar +official product+QPL have out there That's actually true. |
| Barry Durex 05.09.2018 10:56 |
Is the similar website a reference to queenconcerts.com or some other website? |
| gambri 10.09.2018 15:32 |
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